serious-discussion

[latent edge]

yes skimming is very common

I do skimming first but then if i get interested I read it carefully

[junior turtle]

yea ik what you are talking about since i am at that stage rn

you just need to endure until you finish the necessary things that you find boring, there is no roundabout way

at least there is no way that i know about

idk maybe sometimes you can get away with picking some necessary ideas while studying another thing that you like

but eventually you will probably have to come back to that since it is one of the basics needed for many advanced nice things

[latent edge]

i feel like you should probably still read the stuff you care about even if you dont have the knowledge like sure you won't understand most of it but it doesn't mean you won't understand anything

[junior turtle]

sure, but there are things that you wont understand anything from if you dont have a bare minimum of knowledge

[latent edge]

that's why you study alongside

[junior turtle]

i see that you are the type who studies intro algebra alongside algebraic nt

[latent edge]

and also ig it helps to be open minded with math

more math the better

[latent edge]

that's crazy lmao

i mean kinda true

LMFAO

[junior turtle]

yea i mean even you should say this is crazy

[junior turtle]

wait WHAT LMAO

[latent edge]

like in elementary NT

you're learning abstract

[junior turtle]

i caught you bro

[latent edge]

even in intro abstract

lagrange theorem, cyclic groups and allat

still number theoretic af

i do have a great example of something not working out

Anything that had to do with representation theory and abstract harmonic analysis

kinda more advanced stuff

I had to step back and learn a bit

[junior turtle]

i mean sure, but these 2 need 0 prereqs to study

and they are related to each other

[latent edge]

yeah it works for these stuff

like obviously dont try to read geometric langlands program when u havent done any number theory

it works well when the thing you care about just happens to be there

for NT this works most of the time

except for rare cases I have to take the L

[junior turtle]

ohhh so you have to do this for NT sometimes huh

[latent edge]

yea

[junior turtle]

i mean its not surprising, at some point everyone would have to take the L for stuff like NT

[latent edge]

lmfao

but i think its good to train your brain on liking any math tbh

that's something i need to work on as well

[junior turtle]

liking any maybe is hard but if you add almost before that it will probably be much easier (at least for now)

i mean there will still be many things that you wont ever touch no?

[latent edge]

yeah but i meant like

if you were to read something mentioned by someone

not directly related to ur interest

maybe put some thoughts

who knows it might be actually useful for what ur interested in

[junior turtle]

ohhh i see, yea in that case i agree with you

i should keep this in mind and work on it too

[latent edge]

i do have one friend who's very closed brained about logic

oh so yeah i was doing some L (something something)
maybe if you use (something not in his interests) you can get ...
no i dont care i want logic only

somehow we dont share the same interests at all but we are still close friends lmfao

[vast wraith]

they’re so valid for that

[junior turtle]

you can count that as step 1 to liking any math

[latent edge]

Deltoid logic and model theory arc when

that's cooked

[junior turtle]

tomorrow should be nt pilled for me

[latent edge]

apostolize urself

[junior turtle]

idk maybe tomorrow will be everything pilled

[junior turtle]

so far chapter 2 is nice tbh

[latent edge]

uhh was that just intro to arithmetic functions?

[junior turtle]

yes

[latent edge]

yeah cool stuff

[junior turtle]

i think i should go over the theorems quickly after i finish the chapter since it has alot of information

[latent edge]

kinda makes me sad that i dont see the same functions nowadays

unless I do analytic stuff

[junior turtle]

maybe these days you just spam Gal this and Gal that

[solid yarrow]

I still find algebra unappealing ._.

[junior turtle]

seems like you are titling to algebraic side huh

[latent edge]

im still doing both really

just no more logloglog

https://arxiv.org/abs/1907.02914

[solid yarrow]

Möbius transformations?

[latent edge]

defining the mobius function still works just fine for general ring of integers (not just Z)

so you can still do more intricate analytic stuff similar to the ones you do in Z

but you can imagine it will be more involved

I still read these things often when I need some result

sotrue bestie

[junior turtle]

yea, i assume you would probably need more algebra than just working with Z and so on

[latent edge]

yeah

[latent edge]

all algebra?

[solid yarrow]

From what I have seen (nothing) big yes.

[latent edge]

i mean that's fair tbh

i didnt like algebra originally too

[solid yarrow]

So far I only covered analyis fields.

._.

[solid yarrow]

You like CA, so I can trust you. What good algebra field would you gib a fellow complex analyst?

[latent edge]

ring theory and linear algebra :3

[solid yarrow]

Lina wasn't fun :(

[junior turtle]

you cant trust someone just because they like CA since everyone does

[latent edge]

linear algebra is not fun till you realize it is fun

[solid yarrow]

I knoe ppl that don't

[latent edge]

what i really meant is

representation theory

[solid yarrow]

They study for becoming a teacher

[latent edge]

maybe look at representation theory of finite groups

[solid yarrow]

:O

[junior turtle]

why wasnt it fun?

[solid yarrow]

Only computation

General 3/10

[latent edge]

if you want to see it interacting with CA objects you are familiar with I can tell u where to look (but it's technical)

[junior turtle]

oh i see

[solid yarrow]

Would not recommend

[junior turtle]

i may have a treatment for your case

[solid yarrow]

Though needed in several ana courses, so ok

[junior turtle]

try linear algebra by werner greub (if you want)

[latent edge]

GOD BLESS THIS PERSON

FINALLY A READABLE DIAGRAM

[solid yarrow]

Why do you wanna drag me back into lina hell

[solid yarrow]

Wowie

Functional analysis is algebra too. Since it's ana + lina in infinte spaces :3 i'll just do that

Hey Deltoid, wanna see something fun?

[junior turtle]

well if the problem was just with it being computational then greub should solve the problem . If there is something else then thats a different story (i stopped LA rn because i want to finish some things first, i will probably go back to it later)

Also maybe your tastes are different than mine, i dont like RA too much but CA seems to be so fun

[solid yarrow]

Hm

Same

RA was oki

But CA was

[junior turtle]

ohhh nice

which are you in rn if i may ask

[solid yarrow]

@latent edge

[solid yarrow]

?

[junior turtle]

in uni i mean

[solid yarrow]

Oh

RA was 3 semester ago and CA ended like 4 weeks ago

*4

[latent edge]

yes sure

[solid yarrow]

,ti

[junior turtle]

ohhh i see, thats nice.

[solid yarrow]

[fathom swallow]

The current time for f0xy.exe is 03:52 AM (CEST) on Tue, 26/08/2025.

[latent edge]

german education be like

[solid yarrow]

pls end my suffering

[solid yarrow]

Fr

Analysis go brr

[latent edge]

I kinda wish they did the same here

I mean I get it not everyone going to uni is mature enough to do real analysis as their first year course in their first semester

but also taking 4 calc + 3 numerical analysis BEFORE basic things like real analysis is kinda meh

[solid yarrow]

Don't remind me

Anyway I should eep now

[latent edge]

good night :3

[solid yarrow]

Gl on your book/ paper though Deltoid :3

[solid yarrow]

Thank you

Night yassine

[junior turtle]

good night

nice to meet you f0xy

[junior turtle]

what about not even taking calc in sem 1 and instead take it in sem 2

(that actually happened with me )

[latent edge]

i took intro to proofs in my second year

[junior turtle]

in sem 1 i had a course called sequences series and progressions or something like that

bro what even is this

why would there be a full course for this

[latent edge]

lmao

in the same semester I took 2 courses that required a lot of prerequisites and the bottom of these prerequisites was the intro to proofs class

just got an access to them via contacting profs cuz I know some of them very well

but at some point they told me to suck it up tho and take the damn class

I did and it was not fun at all as expected lmao

[junior turtle]

they were like

bro just take the class we shouldnt interfere too much in the uni's policy.
Proceeds to let you join in another course with that prereq

[latent edge]

lmfao

yeah i mean the profs are just chill like that lmao

super based people

[junior turtle]

discussion-2 for 2 people moment

[latent edge]

daily reminder for me i will have to take a similar course but it will be more logic geared

[junior turtle]

bro what

[latent edge]

Therefore,
---Therefore
---Therefore
------Therefore

wait is N here ?

no

but anyway

0 was not in N

that's how you know the course is bad

[junior turtle]

is it N_0 moment?

[latent edge]

how would I describe this course?

idk tbh

it's really strange

i mean at first glance it looks super easy and it really is easy

then u remember there are a lot of strict rules made by the prof

[junior turtle]

but then it is the prof requiring this step and that step etc i suppose

[latent edge]

average cs course experience

[junior turtle]

deltoid: here is a one line proof
prof: thats a 0 for you

[latent edge]

I got that a lot in this class lmao

in the same semester i was taking introduction to number theory which required this course as a prereq

[junior turtle]

i mean if bro wants you to write a proof like this each time then a 1-hour long test should be made up of only 1 exercise with 1 part

[latent edge]

and also i took a graduate course on rep theory

both were fun

I liked rep theory more cuz it was more open ended and you had to prove essentially everything

[junior turtle]

rn i am taking intro to NT

[latent edge]

it was one of these classes where you have 0 clue what it's gonna be about

the elementary NT course was ass but it got better cuz i knew the prof and she knew im NT pilled so we had a lot of nice discussions outside the dry stuff

the content is like ur average intro NT course

divisibility, modular arithmetic, continued fractions, cr*ptography and finally quadratic reciprocity

but last year it was a bit different we did more stuff like L functions and modular forms

also did intro algebraic NT

though it was more lenient on alg NT since the course was an alternative prereq for abstract algebra so its kinda weird to be like "let R be noetherian"

[junior turtle]

mine has no cryptography and may or may not cover things like quadratic reciprocity and legendre's symbol as an optional topic, but it goes over arithmetic functions and mobius inversion

[latent edge]

nice

hot take but if it doesn't have cryptography it's probably a good experience

[junior turtle]

bro if anyone sees the order of the courses youve taken will be like

[latent edge]

i mean to be fair the prof did cryptography at the very end and it was nothing too crazy

just needed to know this little RSA computation for the exam

that's it lmao

[junior turtle]

imagine elliptic curve cryptography

[latent edge]

you were given a code and you had to decrypt it and write the message

it was MATH

[latent edge]

there's a CS course (i say CS but only math majors dare to take it) that goes deeper into these stuff

it's called intro to cryptography

[junior turtle]

i see why it is labelled as a CS course, the name is misleading

[latent edge]

it's a difficult course

and like seeing how most cs majors here take courses well it's no surprise most dont take it

so might as well just call it a math class at that point. it just has a coding aspect to it but so what

[junior turtle]

actually idk how the uni's system work in canada and US, can you just take any course in the department as long as you have the prereqs and you need to fill some credits for "non-math" courses like CS,physics etc..?

[latent edge]

you can literally take anything you want as long as you get permission/prerequisites but yeah you also need to watch for satisfying requirements for your degree. technically you can take as many courses as you want even if you satisfied everything in your degree

just spend more money

[junior turtle]

here (in brazil), most of the courses are the same except for some electives that you can choose from depending on your prereqs and the unis are free (the public which are also the best ones)

[latent edge]

uni being free is really nice tbh

[junior turtle]

yea ngl it is great

[latent edge]

you dont have to worry about potential heart attack whenever you open your uni acc and see a warning saying "payment overdue"

[junior turtle]

even inside the uni you get some nice services, for example there are several restaurants on campus where you eat lunch for 2 R$ (which is less than 1/2 USD )

[latent edge]

yeah you can get anything here as long as u pay

[junior turtle]

lol

[elfin smelt]

im often surprised when ppl study abroad in america without specific reasons

bc like, u just want to pay a lot of money? or what?

[latent edge]

the food usually sucks in campus and they do a dirty play on credits cards so usually I just go outside campus and eat in some near rest

[elfin smelt]

they just gentrified the restaurant across from the math building here apparently </3

[latent edge]

international students

bro like the tuition for international students is crazy

I'd probably be homeless by now with this shit

[elfin smelt]

they make everyone buy $500 dining dollars (basically scrip) here its messed up

so im trying to see how i can get the money back by like buying food for ppl or something

[north topaz]

I sold my soul to the company town

[elfin smelt]

im still considering oxford but if i cant get a good scholarship

[elfin smelt]

its TRUE>....

[north topaz]

wait, I owe my soul to the company store

now that's the right song reference

[junior turtle]

yea i hear that america is too expensive

[latent edge]

im glad i dont go to UofT

shit's very expensive

[elfin smelt]

toronto cost of living

[junior turtle]

i mean almost all places where you study in english is expensive for some reason

[elfin smelt]

all the stores near campus r super overpriced

[latent edge]

"it's a feature not a scam"

[junior turtle]

.....

[elfin smelt]

tbh community college isnt that poorly priced and should be a pretty good choice for most ppl, but like. it just isnt that good for wanting a job in academia of course

🫠

[junior turtle]

good thing that i came from my country to brazil and not to somewhere like america or else i wouldve sold a kidney by now

[latent edge]

brazil mentioned

i wanna go to brazil one day

[elfin smelt]

i see ur tag yassine

r u the real luffy?

[latent edge]

gomo gomo no

GATORINGU

or something

[junior turtle]

at first the displayed name was the same as the real username and the pfp was roger

but for some reason i changed it

[junior turtle]

and i want to go to canada and america one day tbh

(in fact i want to go to many countries )

maybe we can exchange places for a few days or something like that

[latent edge]

real

[junior turtle]

its probably time to go sleep

gn deltoid

gn cheras

[elfin smelt]

gn yassine

[willow juniper]

Gn

[sharp crypt]

hi

[grand helm]

he he he

why don’t people use this chat lol

Spamming in discussion 1 us stupid

[ocean harbor]

first time? u will get used to it

https://tenor.com/view/cat-sock-worm-gif-7195073330628255153

[grand helm]

Thank you

[ocean harbor]

for what

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-cat-huh-small-cat-huh-what-gif-2593177363967991691

[nimble oak]

So

Ik this is a math server but like

Does anyone wanna read my english essay 🙏

Its 1 page MLA format so ez pz

[neat lintel]

Why not

[nimble oak]

I cant ss 😭

Ill copy and paste but its gonna lose Double Spaced font

The College Education
College students and ex-college students alike can often times bond over the shared belief that college fails many: whether it be through overworking students, high costs for tuition, or forcing students to take classes they do not want to take- general education requiring a Math class even if you are majoring in an English field-, this was a topic lightly mentioned in the essay labeled “Shadow Scholar”. Many students who are attending college will usually be overworked by a sudden inflation of schoolwork that they may not have been used to in high school. These students will consequently feel overworked and stressed out over the idea of potentially failing a college class and being forced to retake it or reconsider college in general.
The topic of overworked students will usually create 3 categories of students; the one who does poorly, the one who cheats, and the one who does somewhat alright. The student who does poorly will often times have to retake the class or be faced with the idea of dropping out, the one who does somewhat well will usually be overcome by stress due to giving it their all every minute of every day, and the one who decides to cheat will usually be the most carefree one of the three due to having the ability to let someone else handle their stressful schoolwork.
This is how college fails many, it forces students to either be stressed and potentially fail or cheat just to keep their grades up. This will leave students behind, make them regret every going to college, or put them in a situation where they believe cheating is mandatory to be able to complete college and secure a job.

Bam

Its 12 pt font and double spaced so surprisingly it takes up the whole page

Its also a response to a topic in a essay we read that mentioned "College failing students"

And it was also meant to sound like I was speaking it and stuff, js lemme know what you think :D

[neat lintel]

Well this is truly the rarest and most honest . This thing is hella true

[nimble oak]

I hope so XP

I did minor research on general education and stuff

Is stating that general education requires a math class even if you plan to major in something english related like...

Enough?

Or I wonder if I should cite an actual source x.x

He told me write it like I speak it and when I speak I dont cite my sources I just take a 50/50 if im lying or not 💪

[nimble oak]

0-10 tho whatcha think?

[obtuse inlet]

hi guys can i join the discussion :)?

[nimble oak]

Yes!!! :D

[neat lintel]

9

[nimble oak]

💪

I hope I get a B outta it

[neat lintel]

Ohk

[nimble oak]

My original writing was a C 😭

[obtuse inlet]

dont give up bro there's still chance to learn

💪

[neat lintel]

Don't worry you still learnt through it didn't you?

[nimble oak]

Truth and reeeeaaal, its the 2nd essay and its only like... the 3rd week

So i think ill be chill

[nimble oak]

I did I did

I learned to take what the professor says like.. Literally

[obtuse inlet]

i think score isnt my priority

cause

[nimble oak]

He said respond to the essay and he meant actually respond in the way I would respond irl, no unnecessary big words n stuff

[obtuse inlet]

understanding is more important

how about you?

[nimble oak]

This was something that essay talked about

It talked about how College will stress students out over getting a good grade rather than actually understanding what was being taught

[nimble oak]

For me, score
Understanding is second hand-
I want a good gpa XP

[obtuse inlet]

XD i know

so GPA is your priorty? thats great tho

cause u want to increase ur GPA, and that makes you so ambitiouslly to study

appriciate bro 💪

[neat lintel]

That's good

[obtuse inlet]

what about you lily? what is your priority, GPA or understanding?

[neat lintel]

I think both are important because they are interlinked aren't they ?
If we understand better we can score better .

[obtuse inlet]

i see

yea both are important i guess

high GPA helps me to get scholaships to

[neat lintel]

Yess and better understanding will help you get high GPA

[misty oracle]

@keen shore

Hii

Hi

[obtuse inlet]

what class grade are you in now?

[neat lintel]

Currently in higher secondary education

[obtuse inlet]

same as me

but ive no clue

to study math

otherways

i also wanted to study abroad in NUS

by scholarships

[neat lintel]

Oh ,your nationality?

[obtuse inlet]

no im from indonesia

and wanted to go to National Univ of Singapore

[neat lintel]

You can do it . I hope you will get there

[obtuse inlet]

appriciate it

[neat lintel]

Don't take stress out of it . It's a good subject

[obtuse inlet]

ik

the good news is i liked to study math

i dont care of failure in my past test

btw, how good are you in math?

[neat lintel]

That's the spirit

[neat lintel]

I am in the phase where I love studying it but get frustrated when not able to to solve

[obtuse inlet]

XD we're in the same position

but i dont know why if i get frustrated i dont give up, i search online and chat my math teachers

[neat lintel]

Same here

[obtuse inlet]

are you busy right now? i think ur busy. im gonna end my discussion here if ur busy

i dont want to disturb

[neat lintel]

You aren't disturbing

[fresh comet]

@obtuse inlet welcome to the mathcord!

[dire maple]

hi

[restive pier]

i am tryna become one of the world best mathematicians of all time. I want to create a theory. Idc abt haters, imma be disciplined and work hard

[inland hornet]

good for you

[old oak]

Excellent! How exactly are you planning to accomplish that?

[restive pier]

determination, hardwork, being disciplined. Riemann hypothesis, Swinnerton-Dyer Conjecture, solution of the Navier-Stokes equations, formulation of Yang-Mills theory, and determination of whether NP-problems are actually P-problems. 6 millennium problems basically and try to prove my own theories

[old oak]

Well, looks like you've got it all figured out, I look forward to seeing your progress.

[restive pier]

Thank you bro.

[sleek perch]

hi i am mar.Nice to meet you guys

[edgy tiger]

Searching up male cheerleader just to realize the homosexual peak

[jagged pendant]

Hi mar.Nice to meet you guys, I'm Joe

[haughty panther]

I plan to be severely depressed and French and then I'll invent some random algebra bs and challenge someone to a duel

[zealous garden]

Damn, I'm missing the French, I chose to be 1/4 Italian on character creation

[mint canopy]

hi @rough berry, I can see you're trying to help out in the help channels, just please do be sure not to simply give out solutions. Remember we're trying to teach people how to work things out themselves, not be human calculators for them :)

Welcome to the mathcord, and I hope you have a good time :)

[pure hollow]

Ah being french doesnt sound cool

[steady night]

Well, we have good food... but also Macron... that balances things out....

[polar temple]

me in mechanics

its quite nice but mechanics also feels so exhausting

[polar temple]

become the new euler

i believe in u

question: is it possible for math to be complete (in a theoretical sense) or is there always something new to discover?

[stiff kelp]

That's a great question actually

To me there should be, but we might not reach it ever

[silver bay]

wishing you the best of luck!

[odd jetty]

What's this about solving a conjecture?

Collatz or Goldbach?

[jaunty imp]

Is... Spamming country names normal for #discussion ?

[old oak]

Every kind of behaviour is normal for #discussion

[rocky shuttle]

People have been spamming words the past few days...

[mint canopy]

This is pretty abnormal

[glass peak]

It has been getting worse and spreading to other channels though, people just keep posting random words or emojis even in advanced lounge…

[tropic pivot]

Sorry for this, but I don't know why I got involved myself.

[mighty pilot]

it says a lot about society

[glass peak]

It truly does

[polar temple]

the species is extinct by the time that happens

we caused our own extinction

[stiff kelp]

That's what i was thinking about

But maybe by some miracle it doesn't happen

[ivory dirge]

Hello there :D The people at the discussion 1 are quick for me so I decided to introduce myself here also. I am a bachelor of engineering from Finland. I graduated 2018 so it's been a while for me to get any graps fot maths lately. So much forgotten and i need to rehearse my math skills :D Just came here to casually talk about maths and things and so on. :D

[thin stag]

helloo i suck at math and im here to try to get better:D

[polar temple]

funny how renewable energy sources are "too expensive" to invest in so the government spends their tax money to fund wars instead

let's build more nuclear weapons to damage the environment

when mathematics discord server randomly gets political

[ivory dirge]

what about jevons paradox?

[brave flare]

[mint canopy]

Hi @young bramble! Welcome to the mathcord.

We don't do "mentors" here. If you're looking for help, it's best that you open a help channel and just ask your question!

It's easier for everyone if you just say what you need help with

!da2a

[quasi jetty]

No need to ask “Can I ask…?” or “Does anyone know about…?”—it’s faster for everyone if you just ask your question! See https://dontasktoask.com/

[unborn meteor]

did higher hack boytjie

[mint canopy]

No, I'm responding to a help channel interloper

[unborn meteor]

ohh

facepalm

[old oak]

boytjier!

[unborn meteor]

LMAOOOOOOO

[next quest]

googology seems to be the equivalent of media that has a really strong fandom on the internet but is not really taken seriously by institutions

[warm umbra]

Welcome to the server @steep raven

[steep raven]

thanks :D

[warm umbra]

🫶

[halcyon aurora]

is this saying it's a rationalist interpretation to consider atheism superior to agnosticism (in the sense of "human-made religion" and the big bang?)

[haughty lion]

What's stopping me from defining H'_1 = the Big Bang was created by the flying spaghetti monster and H'_2 = Big Bang was not created by the flying spaghetti monster and concluding by the same logic that P(H'_1) = 1/2?

[polar temple]

not a good counter-point because the big bang really was created by the flying spaghetti monster

i just know it happened

i seen it happen so trust me bro

[random void]

Might consider using the search feature to check how many times it's used in the server

It's over a 1000 times FYI

[rocky shuttle]

fellow pastafarian

[random void]

​The "Uncaused" Event: While the paper argues that we have "never observed a truly uncaused event," the concept of a "uncaused Big Bang" is unique. It's not an event in the universe but the origin of the universe itself, and thus, may not be subject to the same causal rules we observe within our reality. The "inductive justification" may be seen as an overreach.
​Defining "Causation": The paper's simple dichotomy of "caused" vs. "uncaused" might be too simplistic. The very definition of causation may be different when applied to the origin of spacetime itself.
​

Otherwise I like the rationality of their ignorance

[zealous garden]

Stop spreading this misinformation, the spaghetti monster is responsible for upkeep and maintenance but we were created by the cosmic beast of gabagool

[deft stratus]

find the eqn sides of an equilateral triangle whose vertex is(1,2) and base is y=0

find the eqn sides of an equilateral triangle whose vertex is(1,2) and base is y=0

find the eqn sides of an equilateral triangle whose vertex is(1,2) and base is y=0

guys help me

[sharp mulch]

#❓how-to-get-help

[deft stratus]

i didnt get that

@everyone

bro some one help me

[hushed pumice]

Imma have to join that ORV server

[deft stratus]

bro can u solve a question for me

[hushed pumice]

Nah

Go ask for help

[mint canopy]

Welcome to the mathcord! If you are looking for help, please read #❓how-to-get-help and open a help channel.

[deft stratus]

thats what i am doing rn

[mint canopy]

We will not allow spam, so please open a help channel and be patient.

[deft stratus]

i didnt get that

[haughty lion]

I'm not making any assumptions, I'm just positing another dichotomy. I probably am misunderstanding something because I don't get why the paragraphs on the justification allows us to claim these two hypotheses as the most natural ones

A lot of people are also asking whether the BB was uncaused, caused by a creator or caused by an event, that would make a trichotomy more natural wouldn't it

What do you mean by assumptions here?

Yes I know, I just dont see why grouping them together is more natural than splitting them up

I did, but I don't understand why youre splitting them up there and not at the top level

[icy heron]

if we have "never observed a truly uncaused event" as you say, why isn't the most rational default to assume that the big bang also isn't uncaused?

but we have frequentism around events, why is the big bang in its own class of events?

[haughty lion]

I'm asking why the splitting

1. uncaused

2. caused
   a. caused by religion
   i. caused by God from Bible
   ii. caused by spaghetti monster
   iii. ...
   b. caused by non-human, ...
   is more rational than say

3. uncaused

4. caused by religion

5. caused by non-human, ...

[icy heron]

wdym? so you're saying "we never observed a truly uncaused event" is false?

that seems to either contradict what you wrote in the paper, or you're dividing events into arbitrary categories in order to make your argument correct

seems more like philosophy than actual maths tbh

I disagree, I think you're choosing some arbitrary interpretation of causation, and an arbitrary division into two mutually exclusive events, but I don't see how any other interpretation isn't just as valid

please teach me, oh wise one 🙏

would you recommend asking chatgpt to teach me this stuff?

thanks, maybe one day I'll be as smart as you 🤞

[vernal lily]

MaxEnt argument only makes sense in the context of given dichotomy. Which I'd argue is incomplete

[halcyon aurora]

I have a question about the paper

Is it true that you can have a small neglignle chance still be very valid in a purely rationalist viewpoint?

At one point does a .00001% chance become impossible

I guess so... but under assumptions like the big bang, I thought heat death to entropy was inevitable

I see, so you view us as in an infinite game then

[haughty lion]

Could you elaborate on this

I dont see what assumptions a dichotomy has (other than whether its a valid one)

[halcyon aurora]

it's the ontological proof of God without the proof part

[haughty lion]

But why H1 and H2 and H2a and H2b and not H'1 and H'2 that I outlined above

[halcyon aurora]

it's not proving God exists it's disproving

or maybe that it's man made

[halcyon aurora]

like Descartes

Does this say that we live in a finite state space of "logically possible causes"? Does that imply there's a finite existence or an infinite existence to you?

I'm not trying to sound rude I'm vetting

[vernal lily]

I don't think it would be very productive. I apologize If I offended you, doc 🥸

[halcyon aurora]

Well but there are a lot of minor assumptions right? For instance, the framework in the paper uses H_2a to be a "culturally constrained subset of possibilities" to then say it's a diminshing (near zero) chance. You then bring in some statistically law to finitely enumerate those chances. But finite enumeration of a state space (it could be an infinite distribution of possibilities) and diminishing chance of a culturally constrained subset are both assumptions. My issue is that frameworks shouldn't have too many assumptions, ideally a good framework has more "proof" with less assumptions, right?

for example, the neighborhood near a derivative barely exists, but it's big enough at infinity for a derivative

How can you test which framework uses the least assumptions?

[wheat sparrow]

Hello, I am here for 1 question

Has anyone tried solving the collatz conjecture?

[halcyon aurora]

well then how do you know a finite diminishing chance is evadable I guess? But maybe that's not worth going into

[halcyon aurora]

someone said they did but I forget who

check #math-discussion maybe

but if you have a specific question ask in a help channel

[wheat sparrow]

I'm a middle school student and over the summer I got sucked Into that problem instead of studying real mathematics

[halcyon aurora]

the best advice I can give is to focus on your studies. Unless you study Lagarias and understand all of it you won't make progress on the problem that's new

[mint canopy]

Yes, lots of people have tried, including people who are incredibly knowledgeable about and skilled at all kinds of mathematics. Nobody has succeeded. Don't waste your time on it.

[halcyon aurora]

that's not how I read the quote but the later statement seems sensible

[wheat sparrow]

well I did show something, although I'm not sure whether if it's new

[mint canopy]

It's unlikely to be new. But you are welcome to share whatever you like. Just don't expect to have solved collatz.

Why do you mention Ramanujan? He showed nothing relevant to collatz as far as I am aware.

[halcyon aurora]

I guess she thinks you are smart

[wheat sparrow]

No not at all, I just like working on a specific unsolved problem and feeling like I have a purpose

[mint canopy]

I think you should try studying some more mathematics instead

Obsessing over collatz is not a good path to go down.

[wheat sparrow]

Like what?

[halcyon aurora]

Middle school is a thinker

have you solved systems in Algebra II?

[mint canopy]

Anything? Maybe pick up some group theory textbook. That might be fun.

[wheat sparrow]

[halcyon aurora]

I mean it's a legitimate question since you mention middle school

[wheat sparrow]

ok ok, I didn't take any academic courses like real analysis or something, although I know high school maths and proofs

[halcyon aurora]

you're a middle school student studying high school math

[wheat sparrow]

well I believe I already know high school maths ...

[halcyon aurora]

That is a pretty cool one

[halcyon aurora]

What the sine value of pi / 3?

not exactly inspiring but just to ask

[wheat sparrow]

√3/2?

[neat lintel]

Either you know or you don't

[halcyon aurora]

He got the value so he does

[wheat sparrow]

yay

The average distance from the average?

[haughty lion]

I dont think you understand my issue, since the section you screenshotted has nothing to do with it

[wheat sparrow]

Then what is it

[neat lintel]

Why memorise that stuff. Just memorise the shape of a triangle

[wheat sparrow]

Ah

ok

So what should I do now to advance or at least to do something interesting?

[halcyon aurora]

What about 6x^2 - 12x^2 - 504, what are the solutions in x?

[wheat sparrow]

You mean 12x?

[halcyon aurora]

After that I can try and give you some calculus insights if you don't know

[halcyon aurora]

I do

[obsidian tiger]

hii yall can anyone help me and teach me olympiad lvl maths

[tame egret]

Join Olympiad discord

[neat lintel]

The best strategy is learning how to read and understand books.

[halcyon aurora]

is it an African Swallow or a European Swallow

[wheat sparrow]

"Olympiad level maths" is just clickbait people do to get more views

[tame egret]

Depends on mood

[obsidian tiger]

idkk gurl ;-;

[obsidian tiger]

i didnt knew it existed

[wheat sparrow]

Solve for x,y integers
x^2-8=y^2+4y

[tame egret]

I think I can send it here if you request for it?

[halcyon aurora]

or just pm?

[neat lintel]

Getting mensa vibes

[halcyon aurora]

idk maybe either

[mint canopy]

You are welcome to send it now

[obsidian tiger]

well am rn in 11th grade and planning to study statistics in future and so there is a prestigious university i wanna get into and its entrance exm is one of the mosst tough exam in our country which contains only maths but very high lvl

[obsidian tiger]

ya plsss

[tame egret]

Okay

discord.gg/mods

[mint canopy]

Olympiad mathematics is not very helpful for doing exams to get into university, typically. The skills are very different. You're much more likely to do well just by focusing on your schoolwork.

[tame egret]

Statistics ❌
Statics ✅

[tawny knoll]

Probability is better than stats

[obsidian tiger]

well i saw a yt tut vid and it suggested to practice them

[tawny knoll]

More fun

Stuff

[wheat sparrow]

I guess mostly number theory

[tawny knoll]

OMG you should

Number theory is sm fun

[tame egret]

Don't they get interrelated sometimes

[wheat sparrow]

Are you sarcastic or...?

[mint canopy]

Well you're welcome to do whatever you like, but as someone who did olympiad maths and also went to university, I don't think it's very helpful.

[obsidian tiger]

oh isee ty for your advice

[tawny knoll]

They are but like probability is the only fun part in it 😭

[junior veldt]

oh you did olympiads

[wheat sparrow]

yes those are two different worlds, but I guess it could give a nice intro to maths

[tawny knoll]

NOOO I LOVE NUMBER THEORY STUFF 😭

[junior veldt]

this… explains some things

[tawny knoll]

Especially modular arithmetic

[mint canopy]

I don't think competitive maths is very good in general and I gave it up at A-level

But sure, I did it before my GCSEs.

[tawny knoll]

Number theory, combinatorics and probability are my fav math topics

[mint canopy]

You're welcome to explain what this means.

[junior veldt]

wait you’re bri’ish

[tawny knoll]

It's also heavily used in programming

[mint canopy]

I don't hide this.

[junior veldt]

i see

I must’ve forgotten

[tame egret]

OMG

[junior veldt]

just that generally I find you annoying to interact with

[mint canopy]

We don't interact

[tawny knoll]

💀

[mint canopy]

But good to know that your vague statement was indeed an insult.

Kindly don't do that in the future

[tawny knoll]

Why're y'all at each other's throats 😭

[halcyon aurora]

Ah yes, the banned strange attractor that makes Pseudo and mods interact

[junior veldt]

not too much these days

[junior veldt]

mmmm it’s not an insult per se

[tawny knoll]

Oh he's a mod

[junior veldt]

people are allowed to find each other annoying

[tawny knoll]

Fair enough

[junior veldt]

it’s not a value judgement or anything

[verbal quest]

if Pseudo didn't have some spicy flavor with that full name
it would be surprising

[junior veldt]

wdym lol

[verbal quest]

I just expect someone who would put (Cat Theory #1 Fan) to have some opinions

[tawny knoll]

💀

[junior veldt]

oh hm

interesting

[tawny knoll]

Help 😭

[junior veldt]

I didn’t make that connection

[tawny knoll]

I need to grind cf again ugh

[junior veldt]

for me it’s more an expression of how much I love cat theory

[halcyon aurora]

String theory observable #1:
The cat pushes the string ball

[verbal quest]

I'm sure it is🫡

[junior veldt]

what kind of opinions do you think I’d have?

[haughty lion]

Its nice for getting comfortable with proofs

[mint canopy]

Hm... fair enough. I think there are better ways to do this though.

[icy heron]

"this person is annoying because they did a math olympiad" is a crazy statement 💀

[junior veldt]

it’s more like one factor of a whole

[wheat sparrow]

Wait if you did Olympiads, answer this:

[verbal quest]

no, I'm not saying that opinion implies other specific opinions
I'm saying announcing it in your name implies you will have some spicy flavor opinions in general

[mint canopy]

Well before you ask, just be aware that this was almost a decade ago

[junior veldt]

hm I see

im not sure which of my opinions would count as spicy flavour

[wheat sparrow]

That's your problem lol

find all primes p,q such that
2^p+p^2=q

[junior veldt]

like I am friends with people who did olympiads and they’re fine

[mint canopy]

No thanks <3

[swift bronze]

Wasn't this on imo or smh

[junior veldt]

[swift bronze]

Pseudo is a cool name

Suites you

[mint canopy]

This is pretty much an ideal example of why olympiad questions aren't helpful. They're just random nonsense that you just see or you don't. Doesn't really help with understanding very much.

[junior veldt]

awww, thank you!

[junior veldt]

wdym?

[wheat sparrow]

No this was on the Israeli junior sciences team second entrance exam

[swift bronze]

They are supposed to see your thinking pattern to problems i think

That are absurd

[swift bronze]

Dang i was close

[wheat sparrow]

Yea

[swift bronze]

Under time restriction

For additional pressure

[junior veldt]

mhm

mhm…

[tawny knoll]

Suites

I'm joking

Mb

[neat lintel]

I studied 10 hours a day for a whole week

[swift bronze]

Pretentious fox

[tawny knoll]

I can't

[junior veldt]

pretentious fox?

[tawny knoll]

I hardly do 2 hours

[swift bronze]

Im

Sorry

Im

Sleepy

I should hit the bed

[junior veldt]

I sure hope I don’t come across as pretentious

[swift bronze]

That should do it

[tawny knoll]

I thought you were about to say english isn't my first language 😭

Anyway

[swift bronze]

Let me

See that

Higher number 5

[junior veldt]

uh…

[neat lintel]

I can't stop when I'm into something. If I am reading a book or solving problems from a list I won't stop until the book is finished or the whole list is complete.

[junior veldt]

@.@

[swift bronze]

It isn't

[tawny knoll]

Sleep well if you're leaving now

[swift bronze]

I can relate

[swift bronze]

Yeah il just

Wait for a few more mins

And then sleep

I'm pretty harmfull if im sleepy

Hate that about me

[tawny knoll]

I need this drive from tomorrow I'm gonna grind until I get an internship

[neat lintel]

Think it stems from human survival instincts.

[swift bronze]

Dubs

[junior veldt]

$\overset{5}-$

[fathom swallow]

Pseudo (Cat theory #1 Fan)

[junior veldt]

here’s a higher number 5 :>

[tawny knoll]

Oh

[swift bronze]

If higher was maths

[junior veldt]

yeah higher does do maths

[tawny knoll]

If I was high on math

[swift bronze]

How cool we are related like that :D

[swift bronze]

Wait is higher even in our common fren

Wait

Yeah higher is

Wana be frens :D

[junior veldt]

he’s our only common friend lol

[junior veldt]

mmmm I need to get to know you better first >.<

[neat lintel]

Good luck

[swift bronze]

True dat

[junior veldt]

[swift bronze]

The only linkage that holds togather this

I feel like

Gn

[junior veldt]

goodnight!!

[tawny knoll]

Thanks

[junior veldt]

[swift bronze]

[tawny knoll]

Goodnighttt

[junior veldt]

I love seeing all the friendly people here

[tawny knoll]

It's a math server so I'd expect most of them to be nice

[neat lintel]

Yes well historically if we weren't focused until the task at hand was complete, for example building a shelter, hunting some animals etc., we would've increased our chances of getting hurt or dying.

[tawny knoll]

And they are

[junior veldt]

well most of them yh

some of the more experienced people are less nice

[tawny knoll]

LMAOOO

[halcyon aurora]

tbh the randoms talking in #discussion are sometimes the worst though

[junior veldt]

this is why I do not have it on my channel list :)

[halcyon aurora]

I was not aware you could remove it other than studying role

hmmm tempting

[junior veldt]

oh you can just add and remove stuff from your personal channel list I think

[tawny knoll]

Discussion-2 is inactive most of the time though

Compared to #discussion

[junior veldt]

yeah it’s calmer here💖

[rocky shuttle]

that's a good thing

[tawny knoll]

Fairs

[junior veldt]

hiiiii dr Zan!!

[rocky shuttle]

hi pseudo

[junior veldt]

hru?

[rocky shuttle]

I'm fine

still visiting my home country

[junior veldt]

oooh ok

is that good?

[rocky shuttle]

yeah, I'm staying for a month

[junior veldt]

yayyy

[rocky shuttle]

I haven't been here since 2022

[junior veldt]

that’s a while

[rocky shuttle]

yep

[empty mirage]

[empty mirage]

Yay

[wheat sparrow]

Guys where can I buy cheap Klein bottles to put on my desk?

[junior veldt]

bushyyyyyyy

[rocky shuttle]

[empty mirage]

🤧

I just sneezes irl

[junior veldt]

[empty mirage]

and felt like this should convey my state

Hello guys

[junior veldt]

gesundheit!

[empty mirage]

heited my gesund

[wheat sparrow]

Why ignore me😭

[junior veldt]

fr

[junior veldt]

oh sorry idk where to get Klein bottles 😔

[empty mirage]

Try the internet if not local 3d printer?

[wheat sparrow]

"the internet" is a good suggestion

[junior veldt]

true!

[wheat sparrow]

And 3d printer won't work because I want it from glass

[empty mirage]

That yould complicate

[wheat sparrow]

of course I would want it from glass though...

[haughty lion]

Keeping it as is injects assumptions just the same 🤷‍♂️ I'm not convinced that caused vs uncaused makes the least assumptions, (and I'd still be curious to know how youre quantifying assumptions to ensure that yours makes the least / less than my pastafarian dichotomy)

How do you measure that

How is "caused or uncaused" less assumptions than "pastafarian or not"

You're assuming a high likelihood of no cause

I'm assuming uniform probability of pastafarian or not

[tawny knoll]

Hi

Guys

[haughty lion]

You still havent clarified how you measure those

Uncaused falls under not pastafarian

[empty mirage]

Empiric?

You are using empiric distribution?

[haughty lion]

And so are you by framing it as caused or not

You are assuming that it needs to be uncaused if not pasta

[empty mirage]

On what you assume is a sequence of realisations of iid seq of rand var

[haughty lion]

There's exactly the same amount in both

"pasta" and "cause" are both one assumption

I'll quote your "by counting its simple" until you tell me how youre counting them

that's chatgpt not math

I did and there was no math

[empty mirage]

Okay now I will read this

[haughty lion]

Are you counting the assumptions by asking chatgpt which hypotheses make the least assumptions?

But how do you know yours makes the least?

[tawny knoll]

Omg stop already

[icy heron]

Either I will win the lottery, or I won't, it's a 50/50 chance

[tawny knoll]

Y'all have been doing ts for a good 10 mins already 💀

[haughty lion]

You're the one claiming yours is minimal, why is burden of proof on me

[icy heron]

Jesus, not only are you arrogant as heck, but you can't spot a joke 💀

[haughty lion]

I can't because I dont know how you're measuring it

No, you've claimed multiple times yours is minimal

[empty mirage]

I mean all you are saying is that this splits all possibilities into two equivalence classes and then justifying Ochams Razor?

[haughty lion]

What should I be counting? ChatGPT's bullet points?

[empty mirage]

But the supposition is complete lack of information on either side

[icy heron]

I can come up with some assumptions you are making too: that an event can be happen without being caused for example

[empty mirage]

but I would posit its not possible

[haughty lion]

You're trying to argue for objectivity with a highly subjective metric

[empty mirage]

We have historical information on formations of religions

Which would make religious arguments more shaky than "we just don't know"

As one of the classes contain we don't know

[icy heron]

okay, it's still an assumption. Why are you so sure that your way of dividing up the probability space is the one that makes the least amount of assumptions?

[haughty lion]

This is a very silly statement to make if you're not actually counting them in any objective way

That's what I've been trying to argue against

[empty mirage]

Default Views would immediately be discarded no? But sure the argument is in lack of information maximize entropy

[icy heron]

??? wtf does that mean?

[empty mirage]

Well again this holds for any bi partition or n partition of the probability space

[verbal quest]

Sabrina, are you a fan of ET Jaynes
I can't tell🤡

[icy heron]

what's the point of posting here if you're just gonna dismiss every criticism as if we're children who don't know how to count to 3?

[empty mirage]

Whats that, it doesn't seem to be on the paper

Tho I haven't rrad the words carefully

I mainly looked at the maths

How?

I don't see how any other bi partition by proposition P and its complement makes less sense

Its a situation with very limited information after all

Again tho I think this default view would immediately collapse

Considering our knowledge of the history of religion

Not very seriously considering all I know about religious history

Sure. But so is Pasta monsta made universe and everyone else is wrong or someone else is right

As a prior thats as rational in my eyes

Okay but another problem here would be cause

[glass peak]

I don’t know the context of this at all but posting random chatGPT nonsense isn’t exactly a good way to win anyone over in a debate

[empty mirage]

since that doesn't have to depend on religion

Anyways imma go do math now

Since that initial partition you made on Religion vs Non religion is similarly injecting assumptions

Cause vs non cause would be cleaner the

then

but that wouldn't be the partition you wajt for this debate

we may be in a simulation

[glass peak]

You see how posting pictures of the hallucinating agree with me machine isn’t exactly the most credible argument you can make though right?

[empty mirage]

collecting data on the spaghetti religion spread for exampöe

example,

And thats a cause

[verbal quest]

I feel like Pasta Monster Cause could explain the preponderance of high blood pressure
I should ask chatGPT

[empty mirage]

Not necessary even for bayesian induction

And not finite either

This is a non finite set

for example

And much larger in some sense

In fact it is uncountable

What I am trying to say is that doing a split between a tiny pool of reasons and a uncountably infinite one given no prior assumption of validity on any claim would put more measure weight on the uncountable set

Your precise wording makes me assume as such

If you mean all possible human ideas even that is finite

Measured by time, counted by word length and conceptual length

the possible reasons is

uncountable

Anyways onto more serious math (small )

For me at least

(smaller )

So

I have a weird integral

I built from purely measure theory and ode

Thats why I said for me

everyone has favorite topics

[icy heron]

are you implying bushy doesn't understand the math you're discussing?

wow, I hope we can get to your dazzling level of intellect once

[empty mirage]

I don't think you needed to insult me

Or brag about.

For someone supposedly so smart one would assume some emotional intelligence and maturity

I didn't?

Well not undeservedly at least

which says a lot about you that you would be called immature by someone who uses the emoji daily

[mint canopy]

Don't be mean please.

[empty mirage]

I will stop.

[mint canopy]

If someone is annoying you, block them and move on

Thank you Bushy

[empty mirage]

I will follow this advice

[neat lintel]

I find highschoolers with the undergrad role annoying

[mint canopy]

you can do whatever you like with regards to that

[empty mirage]

[verbal quest]

I think having "Womanizer" on your profile is more annoying than HSers working ahead of schedule😬

[zealous garden]

what about dropouts with the undergrad role

[mint canopy]

I don't know the context for this and you should probably contact modmail if it's a problem, but besides that out of context this is HILARIOUS

[verbal quest]

look at their profile

[mint canopy]

oh that's so silly

[zealous garden]

oro is that you?

[empty mirage]

they do have womenizer i didn't even notice

[stable sleet]

NASA hasn’t been relevant since spaceX became what it is today.

That’s where all the smart people go to get paychecks

I mean just look at the numbers

[tawny mortar]

spaceX is decent I suppose.

[stable sleet]

Why should I learn how to read? I have no plans of working at nasa

More of a spaceX kinda guy honestly

[vast wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/umm-uhhh-what-gif-19383908

[stable sleet]

What’s the name of that genius math guy who made all the money with quant trading

Jim Morison

Sorry

Jim Simons

It’s okay I can’t read

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shark_Week

[errant zenith]

goals

but if youre not american you cant work at NASA

so thats like most of the world

[young garnet]

[random void]

I really hate the fact that we live in a society

I really hate the fact that we live

I really hate the fact

I really

[random void]

It can't be caused because nothing existed before it

[jovial ember]

Society

[fresh comet]

want to stay at your house

[surreal bison]

But I like living!

And society has benefitted me a bunch!

And further benefits others a bunch, which I like!

[glad wren]

I mean, the smart people I know say that SpaceX is a terrible place to work, but hey

[swift bronze]

The work load is immnent to cause you stress

Hence to compensate

Butt load of money

But there is no true compensation for mental health

Not saying I won't work for SpaceX

HOLY SHIT YOU USED TO WORK IN NASA

That's cool

Actually if I'm being honest

Even as a kid I always wanted to work at NASA

[peak zephyr]

so whos the womanizer

[hexed tangle]

wtf we have a NASA employee here

https://tenor.com/view/legendary-battle-kung-fu-panda-gif-19874507

[jaunty ibex]

SpaceX is awful lol

[neat lintel]

yes

[spice urchin]

Crazy to assume they would hire any ML PhD for 100 mil. Btw, if you’ve read the news, you’d have read that they have set a hiring freeze for their AI team since investors were afraid that they spent too much on their new team

[polar temple]

you could also say that nothing could occur without a cause

the kid fell off the cliff due to the gravitational attraction of the earth

the gravitational attraction pulled him bc idk

i dont do physics

[rocky shuttle]

the hippos fell off the cliff because higher pushed them

[spice urchin]

They were the only ones paying that much money, no one came close. And they only spent that money on people that were already huge names in the industry. Not to be mean, but even among ML PhD’s they were the 0.1%. As I see you’ve read on Jim Simons, maybe youd settle at Jane Street or Citadel for like 300k a year. Also good money, but not even close to 100M. 🙂

Good for you, but stop naming numbers like 100M if you’re not making that. That’s like me saying I can make 30B because I study the thing that Jim Simons used daily for his hedge fund RT (econometrics + ML). Or like saying someone studying engineering and then dropout can be worth 300B because Elon Musk did the same thing

[rocky shuttle]

I make 600M a year

no need for that

[spice urchin]

I’m starting to feel like you’re making 90% up of your shit. Someone making more than 300k a year wouldn’t feel the necessity to flex their Nitro

[jade owl]

hi fiscussy 2

[spice urchin]

That’s not what I’m talking about, and for someone criticizing others on their reading abilities, you’re doing a terrible job rn

I’m talking about the part where it’s a completely useless observation

Like, someone else making ALOT of money should also have nitro, tf does that even mean

[neat lintel]

wtf observation, pwndx

by that logic, elon musk should buy and own discord

[spice urchin]

Im not using that logic Doggo, its a useless and irrelevant observation in a conversation that’s not even about it in the first place

[spice urchin]

He does buy a lot of the things he uses daily though 🙂 (X and Trump)

[neat lintel]

yea lol

what was the need to buy twitter lol

[spice urchin]

Idk how that has anything to do with Nitro but you could start with a binomial tree if you’re not that advanced yet

[neat lintel]

bro she's ex NASA

"not that advanced" like who are you saying it to pwndx

newbie

[spice urchin]

Brownian motions and Black-Scholes are helpful. Haven’t read that much abt it yet tbh

[spice urchin]

Idk what knowledge she has in Quant Finance, that’s not stuff you learn at NASA

[neat lintel]

Yes — exactly.

[spice urchin]

Doesn’t mean it is not used at all for pricing options

[neat lintel]

idk the exact formula but smthng like dst=mewsdt smthng

In reality, markets do not have constant volatility.

if not too personal, what do u do now sabrina?

blackscholes model assumes constant volatility, but since volatility in reality clusters and changes, people don’t just throw the model away.

[spice urchin]

You use implied volatility

[neat lintel]

share market?

[spice urchin]

Still an undergrad though, will be following my first course in option pricing starting next week

[neat lintel]

true also the arbitrage opportunities are quickly removed (so that the prices are consistent)

you guys are literally professionals, COOOL!

[spice urchin]

She is, I’m not

[neat lintel]

but all of you got nice knowledge
i just learn finance stuffs online

[spice urchin]

Thanks, will be reading this

[spice urchin]

Same so far, I’ve only had courses in econometrics and risk, not really applied in finance. Will be following my masters in applied quant finance though and I hope an internship at an option trading firm upcoming summer

[neat lintel]

best of luck!

[spice urchin]

Btw @echo plover do you have any sources on where you get your readings from?

I’ve bought those last week, including some theory on the Greeks by Natenberg

Tysm

Sabrina, did you follow any courses on C++?

Are you a researcher/developer?

In the context of making others rich

Ah, thanks for the CSV again, will be using that

You mean the regular finance material? Or the part for actuaries?

k thanks, will create an account for that website

Could I send you a private message if I have any more questions?

Yh my risk professor always rants about the actuarial exam. Where I live the actuarial programmes have the highest starting salary

But theyre also mentioned as the hardest post-grad exams if I remember correctly

Also, I like how much maths is behind risk etc. And its more fun than the mathematics behind econometrics

I do wonder if its worth it for an individual to learn all this if theyre not planning to use it in their day-to-day job. I think there are few individual algorithmic traders that use this stuff daily. Although I do aspire a job in quant finance (which is quite accessible for students from my uni), I'm also interested in applying this stuff to my personal trading / holdings

[slate pumice]

both of you are bots

[upper horizon]

I’ve always wondered if it’s okay to listen to music while doing math🤔🤔🤔

[north topaz]

I will judge you if you listen to rap music while doing maths

[upper horizon]

🤣sometimes We need some stimulation when we do math.

😨really?

[lunar ruin]

No profitable manual day traders exist.

*over a long enough term

[spice urchin]

I mean ICT traders suck

Those who base it on graphs etc, but there’s some logic behind the markets so one should be able to get a small margin (although very rarely)

[lunar ruin]

It's not unreliable, it's a very reliable loss maker. It's easily mathematically proven that day traders will lose money over time. It's extremely similar to gambling.

[spice urchin]

Exactly

[stable sleet]

I’m trying to find the common denominator of 792/936 just to realize I have no idea wtf that means

I thought they were called factors

[balmy cobalt]

guys

what is the point of expensive fountain pens?

or expensive pencils

[stable sleet]

Same as watches

[balmy cobalt]

also rotring is more expensive than uni yet uni does more

i love uni pencils

[raven plaza]

When you use a cheap pen, you write with the pen

[balmy cobalt]

when you use an expensive pen, it's just for the style

[raven plaza]

When you use an expensive pen, the pen writes with you

[stable sleet]

I have used a 20.000€ pen

More of a keyboard kinda guy

Did not improve handwriting

[balmy cobalt]

why does that exist?

and why did you buy that?

[stable sleet]

Wasn’t mine

I said used not owned

[balmy cobalt]

then ask that to the person who owned the pen

[stable sleet]

It was a businessman birthday present

[balmy cobalt]

im a random ahh russian

[stable sleet]

get well soon

[balmy cobalt]

wdym get well soon

[balmy cobalt]

the pen doesnt have hands

[dire maple]

hij

[old oak]

joke's on them, I can't write

[pure hollow]

Well that's quite unfortunate 😔

[swift bronze]

So calming in here

[balmy cobalt]

react with ♟️ if you use uni ball or uni kuru toga writing pens/pencils

[balmy cobalt]

or reply with anything on the message

[atomic fractal]

Move two points and play with the function!