serious-discussion

[foggy path]

We can determine its position at any time

We can accurately tell the moment they will collide

So isn't it already fixed?

[karmic spear]

We can accurately analyze most phenomena in the dimensions we can perceive and claim that everything is fixated.

[foggy path]

All the physical phenomenas are fixed

They are just hard to calculate

[karmic spear]

But you can also say that an action creates a massive tree of different scenarios that outplay in different worlds and that the universe is so random that it always divides in these different scenarios and we transform our consciousness to the one we are experiencing right now

So that thing is fixated aswell to happen

Its very abstract

But also very fixated

And its all theory

[foggy path]

Even it was already fixed that the solar system will be created at a certain time

The first living cell on this planet

Everything was predetermined

It's just too hard to calculate

[karmic spear]

Do you believe that time is written or

Idk how to say it

You know

Fabric of time exists

and has unraveled already

[foggy path]

Just like how we need to take certain assumptions like neglecting the atmospheric pressure or assuming perfect friction to solve basic physics problems

Cuz if we being by taking everything into the working then there will be tons of different variables which are just hard to calculate

[karmic spear]

variables we cant explain and perceive through our consciousness

[foggy path]

Not it's not like that

You can but it's just hard

Like in a rough surface the roughness or the friction isn't fixed at every point

[karmic spear]

Isn't there a limiting factor on how far you can go in front of the absurdity of the universe, time , existence

[foggy path]

It's variable

[foggy path]

There are multiple possibilities of its variability with the position at that object

Even if it's variable it won't necessarily be simple like friction= x or x² or anything like that

There could be infinite series of a polynomial for that variable friction with the distance at the surface

That's why it's hard

But still we understand the core how friction works

So we technically can calculate it anywhere but practically it's impossible

[karmic spear]

:o

Stretched thinking, I am impressed

so

you believe

Math is the code to the universe and justifies absurdity?

but as humans, practically we cant calculate it at its "finest"

[foggy path]

Wait I am eating

[foggy path]

Yes it's true

Practically it's just impossible

[karmic spear]

yep , I am just dressing this impossibility as the absurd

but this is also based on a fixated operation of the universe

which is programmed by mathematics

[foggy path]

I have a paradox

[karmic spear]

tell me about it

[foggy path]

Well

You can actually create the exact simulation of this universe

If you create the exact same scenario

Of the beginning of this universe

So basically if everything is fixed

You can see the future

In a simulation

Even tho it's practically near to impossible

You are looking into the future at the point where you died in the future

What if inorder to change the future you decides to kill yourself just at the point when you saw the future of your death

Will it change the timeline?

But the fact is

If that universe was exact copy of the universe we are living

The person could also see that at a point" he would be looking at the future so inorder to change it he will attend to kill himself"

[neat lintel]

hi

[karmic spear]

You are falling in a endless loop if you come to see it that way

no action will defy the fixation that exists which in fact you are trying to disapprove with your paradox

decides to kill yourself just at the point when you saw the future of your death

I cant get this part tho

But as I am trying to understand what ur saying I think that u are making humans to be huge contributors or highly dependent variables that try to explain the fabric of time

Its a cool imagination but like

Simulations are wild theories and to discover the theory behind them we need something solid to observe as humans

I dont believe we have anything now

You remind me of Interstellar where the huge , abstract and unknown forces of the universe and the 4th Dimensional space will resonate with your feelings and your particular timeline as a human , which is probably not true

like the guy falling into the blackhole then tp/ing in his house like

wtf

[foggy path]

Or I guess there will be a specific case

Let's suppose I start this calculation from now and I want to look into the future like 10 years ahead

The time taken to calculate will always be more than 10years

Like if you want to se X years ahead the minimum time it can take to calculate will be (X+Δ) where delta tends to 0

[karmic spear]

hm

what do you want to derive from the calculation

just the future?

[foggy path]

It's not just about future

It stimulates everything in this universe

If explains everything

Every single thing

[karmic spear]

then you defined time and its relevance to action and reaction

which could be the definition of the universe and how everything "moves"

its all about rate of change

everything

[foggy path]

Simulation isn't a theory

It's a real thing

You can simulate irl into a computer program

You can virtually simulate entire universe

It's the same thing

[karmic spear]

but we can virtually simulate an entire universe w/ the use of computers and the machines who can do that are built by humans, the content they display is pure code

its a human based product

we just display random pixels

do you think the simulations we display in computers experience consciousness cuz by logic that doesnt make sense

[foggy path]

Same thing

[karmic spear]

But if you think that some other force has made us up in a simulation where they put energy as a property and time then yes

[foggy path]

That's how you see an object tbh that's how your brain process it visually

The only thing that's hard to understand is consciousness

Or maybe not

It might be an illusion

Or what's consciousness?

[karmic spear]

That's what I am saying

It feels as if I am doping when I try to discuss it

[foggy path]

Consciousness is just created by the chains of short term experience of memory

[karmic spear]

yes

[foggy path]

What if

[karmic spear]

yes yes yes

exactly

[foggy path]

All our memories get erased

Instantly

[karmic spear]

we are both saying super stupid things , or not?

[foggy path]

Will be conscious?

[karmic spear]

there is like always a question popping up that is both logical and absurd

[foggy path]

It ain't stupid

[karmic spear]

Really? 😭

Define stupid

[foggy path]

Weird

You go deeper into this shit and then you realise people still think the life they are living makes sense at all

[karmic spear]

You going deeper and deeper is like a lim to 0 itself

[foggy path]

When you are literally at a point where the universe seems like a lie and people still arguing over gender roles

[karmic spear]

you aint even close

u just approach it

slowly slowly

then y look

still too far away from it

[foggy path]

That's how it goes

[karmic spear]

your imagination cant exceed the limit

you try , you go deeper, nothing

but for humans , discussing and debating is sure a cool hobby

so there y go

atleast it serves us

and our psychology

atleast biology and human nature can be studied effectively

[foggy path]

The deeper you go the more you realise the life an average human's living is just bullshit and nonsense no wonder how they claim it to be subjective

[karmic spear]

ye

even science and patterns are ridiculous

each word we use

is influenced by our memory , which is flawed , and there comes the consciousness with its infinite questions and zero answers

[foggy path]

?

[karmic spear]

well some people are ok w/ this uncertainty or randomness

some arent , thats why I believe religions exist

[karmic spear]

I mean, based on the context of how we define things infront of the huge image of subjectivity

infront , not based

[foggy path]

Ohh yes

[karmic spear]

wait i said infront yes

nvm

yes , in the human levels words are op

smart tool

laws too

[foggy path]

Words?

You mean literal words?

[karmic spear]

sometimes I want to transcend and be put on a different dimension and experience all of this madness istg 😂

[foggy path]

Language?

[karmic spear]

ye

[foggy path]

Language is a sense

We process it unconsciously

[karmic spear]

Yes

[foggy path]

You are in college?

[karmic spear]

No I am in the last grade of highschool but we do Real Analysis , thats why I put undergraduate role

[foggy path]

Ohh

[karmic spear]

last year of highschool in Greece is hard in Math

[foggy path]

How old are you?

[karmic spear]

17

[foggy path]

You are a Greek afterall lmao

[karmic spear]

trust me we have not embodied the teachings of our ancestors

everything is fked up 😭

[foggy path]

Wtf

This word is banned

[karmic spear]

wbu, ur into college?

[foggy path]

No

I will join this year

I am 18

[karmic spear]

ah nice one step ahead of me

what will y study

[foggy path]

I am into everything

[karmic spear]

Same

[foggy path]

But yea for college i need only 1 or 2 specific subjects

I will go with maths as major and physics as minor

[karmic spear]

Being a polymath in today's world hits diff

[foggy path]

College is just about a reputation and formality afterall

[karmic spear]

Nice

[foggy path]

But yea I am into everything

[karmic spear]

I want to get into Electrical Engineering

[foggy path]

Physics math philosophy psychology ai or many more

[karmic spear]

Jack of all trades

Do y like art?

[foggy path]

Na

[karmic spear]

invalid 😭

art is math

everything is math

[foggy path]

Art is just an evolutionary thing that makes sense to humans that's it

It's kind of an illusion

An objective thing

So I am kinda a critic

[karmic spear]

its abstract but on a human scale

and yes its very objective

but I find that it is a nice way of expressing humanism

[foggy path]

Can't say

Depends

[lofty wolf]

I like art

[karmic spear]

I am a huge critic on philosophers who don't know sciences , or they do on a small scale

Like I love ancient age philosophers

[lofty wolf]

speaking of ancient sciences, those people were insane

[karmic spear]

But I don't particularly like philosophers who are "only" philosophers, (most of modern age ones)

[lofty wolf]

I've read about how they went about discovering/inventing theories and honestly I'm surprised how much they were able to do with so little

[karmic spear]

Yes

It's truly insane

[foggy path]

Same thing

Polymaths are the real one

[karmic spear]

Hell ye

[lofty wolf]

Radius of the earth calculated in something like 300 CE? Dang

[foggy path]

All others are fraud

Just kidding

[karmic spear]

No

YOU ARE SPITTING FACTS

[karmic spear]

no one trusted these ppl

[foggy path]

I mean philosophers have wisdom about what a brilliant man is but they still don't apply it to themselves

[karmic spear]

they could do all that with the society saying they are schizophrenic

[foggy path]

Mostly they only preach

But don't act accordingly

• modern world is literal pathetic and dumb

[lofty wolf]

Philosophy is too hard for me, I can't think in words like that

[karmic spear]

jk

[foggy path]

Theoretically it actually was easy but practically to make these steps in real life kinda a hardworking process

[lofty wolf]

My experience is more like "I like your funny words magic man, but you're just saying them I dont get what you're trying to mean here"

[karmic spear]

Yeah

I have a friend who studies philosophy, we only agree to disagree on these topics when we discuss

idk how they can fhjksdfkjsd

make all of this a "science" without science

[foggy path]

Wait

[karmic spear]

even combining it with science is bad

or not

but its more ok

[foggy path]

Who's that so called modern philosopher who spit a lot

[karmic spear]

Nietsczhe?

Camus?

[foggy path]

Slavoj zizek

Yeah

Yeah he's a fraud

I mean he's just a big talker

[lofty wolf]

Diogenes was the only real one, for he was based

And based he was

[foggy path]

He's what an average human think of a philosopher to bring it down

[karmic spear]

yea

you cant make sense with these, dont bother for real

polymaths >>

where are y from btw

[foggy path]

Unfortunately india

[lofty wolf]

russia

[foggy path]

So unfortunate

[karmic spear]

why

[foggy path]

Why not

[lofty wolf]

indians dont get isekai'd for some reason

[karmic spear]

Well I can probably guess why

[foggy path]

The country is re***

[karmic spear]

I love the language

[foggy path]

Cyka blyat

[karmic spear]

Want to learn it at some point

[lofty wolf]

oh do you? what about it

[karmic spear]

I want to learn German Then Russian

[lofty wolf]

i gues im curious about your motivations

[karmic spear]

Tbh

I like russian literature

And how the language sounds

[lofty wolf]

oh yeah that's true though

[karmic spear]

thats all

[foggy path]

@lofty wolf you are russian

[karmic spear]

and the vibes

[foggy path]

You play cs or so2?

[lofty wolf]

dostoevsky is the king

[karmic spear]

And the people

[karmic spear]

You dont want to see my library

😭

[lofty wolf]

used to play cs:go in school

but i dont like competitive gaming nowadays

[karmic spear]

I quit gaming and found my peace

[lofty wolf]

Im currently learning japanese

slowly but surely

[foggy path]

So that you could understand anime better

[lofty wolf]

yes that too

but also I was thinking about moving to japan

since its so close to where I am

[karmic spear]

wait ur on the asian side

[foggy path]

Eu is good

[lofty wolf]

ye, im on the sakhalin island

the part that was japanese before ww2

[karmic spear]

ooo

pretty rare

[lofty wolf]

yeah its a unique place

[karmic spear]

arent u interested in the eu?

[foggy path]

I don't think if japan is good for living

Isn't it geographically so zoned out?

[lofty wolf]

I'm not sure, in some ways the quality of life drops

but in others its better

[lofty wolf]

nah, europe's just not for me

[karmic spear]

what do you look for in a country?

Like what indexes do you want to be high

[foggy path]

Japanese society isn't so good i suppose

Reality is worse than anime

[lofty wolf]

it just works differently

[karmic spear]

way worse

[foggy path]

Like Tokyo is way worse

[karmic spear]

Just be prepared for extreme working conditions

[foggy path]

Yeah

[karmic spear]

apart from that I'd say its ok really

[lofty wolf]

I don't think its the country, but rather a place. There's, for example a difference between small and large cities, where in large cities people don't give a shit much more often, whereas in small cities strangers are more talkative and its more comfortable. But there's also the thing where smaller cities have worse quality of life

[karmic spear]

Good crime index , clean country I think

[lofty wolf]

As i said I live in a rather unique place that's both small and rich

[foggy path]

Yea

[karmic spear]

Prices relative to the salaries and all

[foggy path]

But modernity is killing it

[karmic spear]

Just modernity yes

and working conditions

[foggy path]

Modern cities are just becoming vulgar place

[lofty wolf]

Real

[karmic spear]

Yea

[lofty wolf]

One of the things I'm infinitely curious about is how banking / payments work in other countries

I heard that in america its pretty bad and in japan they still use cash sometimes??

[karmic spear]

For me it goes like this:

1. What the country needs from me in order to live and what money making opportunities I have
2. Weather, Architecture, Clean
3. Crime Index

Thats why I kinda lean towards Germany

[foggy path]

The only think I find india as an advantage is having relationships

I can't understand eu

[karmic spear]

mm havent searchd that up

[karmic spear]

wdym

[foggy path]

The culture is weird

People be having multiple partners throughout their lifetime

It's just weird

[lofty wolf]

To give a context, I have not seen cash for the past 8 years and I have not used it since. I can use my card with any terminal to pay for anything

This doesnt seem to be how it works in other countries

[karmic spear]

ah

I think most countries right now adapt to digital banking and you know all these cards methods

Usa tho uses lots of cash ye

Idk about japan

[foggy path]

@karmic spear you didn't reply to my msg

[lofty wolf]

I watched a vlog by a japanese youtuber and I was like "wtf did you just insert your card into a terminal"

[karmic spear]

I thought Indian culture promoted monogamous relationships

or like

One partner for life yk

[foggy path]

Yes

[foggy path]

Multiple partners it's weird

[karmic spear]

ye

[foggy path]

But it's common everywhere else

Even in india

Multiple partners are getting common

Not at a same time but throughout the lifetime

[karmic spear]

Not yet but theres a seed growing slolwly yes

[lofty wolf]

There's no mulltiple mariage right?

[karmic spear]

normalizing each shit they make upp

like ffs

stop with modernity

embrace tradition

[foggy path]

Aren't you suppose to love a same person forever right?

[karmic spear]

Open relationships, 3 people relationships and all the shit

[foggy path]

In that sense yes

But actually reject culture and traditions

[karmic spear]

Based on whats considered normal yes

You are either with one person or you are not

loving one person forever not really

its part of the human nature to break up relationships and get past loves

[lofty wolf]

I was about to say that if there are 3 people, at least two people have to have the same gender but was stopped by the fact that all that works differently in US

[foggy path]

Maybe a failed relationship

[karmic spear]

wdym

[foggy path]

That's just makes no sense people should be mature enough to be in a relationship so they don't fall apart

[lofty wolf]

just... nvm

[foggy path]

Loving a single person forever is just the best thing to have

[karmic spear]

ye good luck searching for mature ppl

:D

lust and greed is killing everybody

[foggy path]

Bruh it's not that uncommon

[karmic spear]

Its uncommon, not rare

[foggy path]

I have my mature person 😔

[karmic spear]

maybe not that uncommon

[karmic spear]

I hope she stays mature

[foggy path]

She's

[lofty wolf]

I've had one mutual love but no relationship sadly ;x;

[karmic spear]

welp

I hope so

I just say that because I see that I cant trust myself either

Greed and lust are always part of the human nature

[foggy path]

Moreover we have same perspective and same goals

[karmic spear]

you just have to deal with them and learn to live with them without doing stupid things

[lofty wolf]

Goddamit why did I remember

[karmic spear]

time will prove that for u

[lofty wolf]

I'm going to be sad for the rest of the day

Aight bois ima go cry in a corner

[foggy path]

Bruh stop ur making me anxious

[lofty wolf]

or watch some videos on group theory

[karmic spear]

No but be real rn

Learn to live w/ it

[foggy path]

No stop

[karmic spear]

its ok

[foggy path]

Wdym

No

[karmic spear]

😭 you are being unrealistic

[foggy path]

No

Noo

[karmic spear]

MAYBE ITS MY EXPERIENCE AND YOU ARE RIGHT

[foggy path]

Stop

No

[karmic spear]

aight?

[proven knoll]

real mutual love or anime mutual love

[foggy path]

@karmic spear humans are different

[lofty wolf]

Real

She was a shy girl, I was a shy guy

[karmic spear]

but all share dark human nature

[proven knoll]

😎

[karmic spear]

"dark" as in their weird needs

[lofty wolf]

We didnt talk but shared the love

[foggy path]

Let's be real

[lofty wolf]

It was a bittersweet moment of my life

[foggy path]

Humans instinct and humans perspective work together

[karmic spear]

😎

[karmic spear]

Unless ...

[lofty wolf]

I think "Greed" and "Lust" are just labels, the proxies for human behavior. I personally don't like this labelling

[karmic spear]

A human finds something else working a bit better and starts having second thoughts

[lofty wolf]

I live by a slightly different set of rules -- don't have evil intent and try to reach understanding

[foggy path]

Let's be real I am not attracted to any person than the girl I love

[karmic spear]

or a human finds the idea of something better a bit better

[lofty wolf]

Or, be evil and be honest about it

[karmic spear]

What if she was a little bit better in that part? Dont u ask urself that

What if she does the same

like its normal

[proven knoll]

something bad happened right

[karmic spear]

Well and I am saying in the end yes, you might or probably will stay together

but these thoughts are sad

[foggy path]

Better in what part?

[lofty wolf]

nah not really, we just got separated by natural flow of life

[proven knoll]

Relatable

[karmic spear]

What if she was a little bit more attractive, a bit smarter, a bit that etc

what if you always love the potential of something bigger

especially if you aim high in life

[lofty wolf]

I'd probably never ask that question and never wonder about that

[foggy path]

Tbh no I like the way she is

[karmic spear]

you might say safety and stability is good but at some point you will be messed up w/ the idea of something "bigger"

[lofty wolf]

^ this would be my thoughts too

[foggy path]

Physically*

[karmic spear]

alr I cant disagree

I just believe that the only thing we can love truly and accept is ourselves

We cant predict how someone else will react/behave on a thought she or him might have

and personally I fear that

[lofty wolf]

Yeah you can't control how someone else does anything

[karmic spear]

Thats why I am open to possibilities but value my individuality more than anything else

[karmic spear]

Thats why believing in that person at some point, maybe when you decide to have kids with that person, you must be fully certain of what you are doing

[foggy path]

Just get a good partner that's it

[uncut pier]

Individuality meaning everyone is unique. They have different attributes

[foggy path]

That's not individuality

[karmic spear]

sorry my english

I meant

[lofty wolf]

Interestingly, if you could make someone understand yourself, they would trust in your behaviour and share your love and acceptance of yourself

[karmic spear]

Independence

[uncut pier]

Then what

[foggy path]

@karmic spear most people cheat cuz I modern era there's no love

True love do exist

[karmic spear]

welp will they or will they think that they will but maybe they are lying to theirselves

look guys

I am not saying , consciously they might feel greed or lust

[lofty wolf]

There's a thing that even if someone is evil in consistent ways you can kind of trust in them being evil in a way that's good for both of you if you manage to find common ground

[karmic spear]

but unconsciously

without them realizing it

something can go off

and thats a fear

[lofty wolf]

I don't think you trust yourself then

[karmic spear]

Yes

I cant disagree with you

[foggy path]

@karmic spear but I do trust myself

[karmic spear]

Then solid

[foggy path]

It's all in human nature

[lofty wolf]

Interestingly enough, I do too, but in a different way

[foggy path]

Yk what

Why we are not like animals

[lofty wolf]

I know that I will fall to lust (but not to greed)

And I know how exactly it's going to go down if it comes to that

[foggy path]

@karmic spear men are more prone to this compared to women

[lofty wolf]

And I know how I can set myself up in such a way that it doesnt go down in super bad ways

[karmic spear]

loyalty?

or disloyalty?

[foggy path]

To be attracted to multiple women

Men connect more physically

While women emotionally

[karmic spear]

to put it in simple terms as if i am talking like a child in primary

look

wait listen

lets say I get a gf, in first shes excited

some time passes by

[lofty wolf]

Interesting that you point that out, the difference between loyalty and attraction

[karmic spear]

why cant she start , by unconsciously thinking

[lofty wolf]

its what you do with that attraction that defines who you are

[karmic spear]

oh why isnt he a bit more attractive, or taller, or richer

or why isnt he a slightly , just slightly more like this and that

I just think theres always this

fked up thinking

[lofty wolf]

hm

[foggy path]

@karmic spear it's all upto you

[lofty wolf]

Have you ever been in love Giorgos?

[foggy path]

How you define it

[karmic spear]

Yes

[foggy path]

Humans write there own thinking

[lofty wolf]

I'm kinda curious what was that like for you?

[foggy path]

It's just like a vehicle driving by its own

You have to control it yourself

You have to write your personality and nature all by yourself

If you talk about me

I am really not attractive

To other females

[karmic spear]

well I just thought that shes thinking all of these things

and I started arguing w/ her every week

[lofty wolf]

Wait you thought that she's thinking that?

[karmic spear]

I lost my trust in her , on my own account and fault

And broke up w/ her

[lofty wolf]

That's kinda sad

[foggy path]

And I 100% trust my partner

[karmic spear]

She was obsessed w/ me in the start

and I wasnt

then roles switched

or idk what happened

[lofty wolf]

dang

[karmic spear]

I was in love with her potential

our views werent the same

I cant say that I have experiences w/ a woman that shares my vision

[lofty wolf]

If I said that your distrust in yourself resulted in your distrust in her, how much would you agree with that?

[karmic spear]

and I dont think I will because I think I am not like most people , especially when it comes down to women

[foggy path]

Wait can we just close this topic?

[karmic spear]

and I believe that I will always be unsatisfied

[karmic spear]

yes 100%

[lofty wolf]

its 10pm almost bedtime, aint a perfect time for some koibana

[foggy path]

It's 5:08 pm here

@karmic spear don't talk about relationships

[lofty wolf]

Okay then lets talk about mental issues

[karmic spear]

why dude

😭

[foggy path]

Nuh nvm

[lofty wolf]

Realised I have ADHD, a pretty bad case, managed to find a stable configuration of behaviors but I think other people are catching on.

[foggy path]

Who did u leave her

[lofty wolf]

Currently fighting through depression and quarter-life crisis

[foggy path]

I can't even imagine being away from her

[karmic spear]

I had a mental breakdown infront of her

[foggy path]

She's the most important person to me

[karmic spear]

Then I thought

Unconsciously she hates me now

Welp lets end it cuz it aint going anywhere

[karmic spear]

even if she doesnt consciously

[foggy path]

I do feel the same

I might have adhd

[proven knoll]

🥹

[karmic spear]

I still might be inexperienced and just in an unlucky situation

I have promised to myself that I will see the next chance differently

w/ more maturity and less promise

[foggy path]

All you need is a strong emotional bonding which people lack

That's why it's rare to find relationships that end forever

[lofty wolf]

interesting that you say "less promise"

[karmic spear]

she was very good as a woman, especially in terms of love

[foggy path]

Be her bestfriend

[lofty wolf]

what matters is that you try to keep them

and be open about it if you fail

[karmic spear]

welp

[uncut pier]

Your advice, your life.

[karmic spear]

As I said before, not everything we say to ourselves is truly true

[foggy path]

What

[karmic spear]

and yk what, I cant say I dont trust myself

I am just open with the possibility of being wrong

and I am open minded

thats all

thats the most rational thing in the end, as a human I will make mistakes

[uncut pier]

Truth is truth, and your believe some maybe true and some are not.

[karmic spear]

believing in something that exceeds reasoning isnt any good

[karmic spear]

ye, you prove my point

[foggy path]

That's not just always true

It's upto your perspective

[lofty wolf]

Nah we all make mistakes

[foggy path]

Yes we do

[karmic spear]

and ahan let me give u an example

[foggy path]

But in that sense he's talking about

[karmic spear]

what if I meet a woman rn and stay w/ her forever

isnt that limiting?

[lofty wolf]

You can't really control your mistakes but you can control your attitude towards the outcome

[karmic spear]

I dont know how many other possibilities there are

[lofty wolf]

You can only live one life and that's limiting enough by itself

[karmic spear]

now, dont other women think the same?

[foggy path]

That's not how it works

[lofty wolf]

Think about that: Don't other men think the same

[foggy path]

It takes time

[lofty wolf]

and you have at least two people disagreeing with your stance in slightly different ways

[foggy path]

• being already in relationship

And meeting a stranger

Is a different thing

Than not being in relationship

And meeting the same person

You can't be intimate with a person other than your partner

Having casual sex is a completely different thing

[karmic spear]

do you think you can be vulnerable

to your partner

as a male?

[foggy path]

Yes

[karmic spear]

I was wondering about that, I dont have a clear stance yet

I am also afraid of that

[uncut pier]

Depends on the partner

[karmic spear]

i think it fks up the balance somehow

ddont ask me how

[lofty wolf]

I've been thinking for a little bit, I realised that I'm not true to myself

[burnt ledge]

Yes

[foggy path]

Wdym

You switching sides?

[uncut pier]

You need observation skill for your thinking

[lofty wolf]

I'm always wearing this kekw mask and appear as a funny guy when in reality I'm just looking for ways to ease the pain on the inside

There's not a single person in front of whom I completely peeled off that mask

[karmic spear]

ur a girl right?

dont u believe like

[foggy path]

@karmic spear just

Stop

Now

[karmic spear]

lets say a man opens up to you , unconsciously dont u think less of them?

no bro

im curious

[burnt ledge]

well it depends in what theyre opening

[foggy path]

@burnt ledge can you cheat the person you truly love?

[uncut pier]

What kind of question is this

[burnt ledge]

what is that question

[foggy path]

That's what he's asking

[karmic spear]

No

I am not asking this

[foggy path]

Then wtf

[karmic spear]

Neither do I believe this man

[lofty wolf]

I can (physical capability)
I probably won't

[burnt ledge]

No hes asking if a man opens up to you unconsciously dont i think less of him

I can read too you know

[foggy path]

Ohh

Shit

[karmic spear]

in terms of respecting him

and yk, admiring him

[foggy path]

@karmic spear relationship won't work without being openup to eachothers

[burnt ledge]

It all depends on what exactly he says Giorgos, theres not much that can be said in the most general case

[karmic spear]

yea

[burnt ledge]

Some times it may decrease my respect for the man and sometimes it may increase it

[karmic spear]

would u want ur man to be careful of what hes deciding to express to u?

like, avoid things that might lower his respect for u

[uncut pier]

Why you think so much, stop overthinking and live the life.

[karmic spear]

it doesnt go like that

[lofty wolf]

Stop overthinking

[uncut pier]

It goes

[burnt ledge]

????

[karmic spear]

we are talking about relationship dynamics and human nature in relationships

and thats how it goes

u cant avoid it

[uncut pier]

Tell me what is your problem

[karmic spear]

if u stop overthinking ur not being realistic

tbh

its not overthinking

only basic stuff

general truths

[uncut pier]

Overthinking is okay,
But for the right reason or purpose.

[burnt ledge]

Well really the thing that's lowering my respect for the man in that case is that he thinks/believes the idea, not that he merely expressed it

it would similarly lower my respect for him to find out the same some other how

[karmic spear]

alr, so if hes responsible , you would most likely keep up the respect for him

[burnt ledge]

theres something honourable in owning up to ones own faults though so id be a bit more lenient in that case

[uncut pier]

Everybody thinks about themselves, you man not thinking about you like this.

[neat lintel]

idk whts going on but thats not true

the first part

[burnt ledge]

But if hes opening up something basically neutral like, idk, for example say hes depressed or lonely, then why wld that lower my respect for him at all

[karmic spear]

Hmm ok

[lofty wolf]

tbh @karmic spear you kinda opened yourself up with your love story and sharing your thoughts and I do not think less of you. I probably would have if you badmouthed the girl you hung out with or something of the sort, but you do realise that there's something faulty with you and you are open to the issue. This deserves some respect

[uncut pier]

Okay, it's a quote I heard, which might not entirely correct.

[karmic spear]

yes I said from the beggining that I am not viewing relationships correctly (im aware of that ), but I am having trouble understanding how real love can work

thanks for understanding

[lofty wolf]

That's one of the two principles I live by 😉

[karmic spear]

true love as it is how perceived , flawless strong and all that comes w/ it

[uncut pier]

Stop thinking and start loving

[karmic spear]

but based on what @burnt ledge says , there could be ways to base relationships on human values that exceeds "sins"

and learn how to be stable in these values through out the relationship

Honesty, Responsibility, Trust, Respect etc

[burnt ledge]

Yea exactly

[uncut pier]

You can practice these virtues by interacting with peoples and making choices that encourages theses virtues

[karmic spear]

But thing I want to say from the begggining

Isnt it ok to feel the lust for example

and just reason yourself through it

or is it instant damage in a relationship

[lofty wolf]

Nope

[karmic spear]

like , you must reach a state where y dont even feel it

?

[lofty wolf]

what matters is what you do with that

[uncut pier]

It's human biology, you can't deny it.

[karmic spear]

you believe so?

[lofty wolf]

You can't control your lust, but you can control whether you cheat or not

[karmic spear]

Thats what im saying

[karmic spear]

Yers

yes yes yes

exactly

I do believe is 100% possible to not cheatr

[lofty wolf]

Then you're good

[karmic spear]

using our reasoning we can achieve that

but its kinda scary knowing that biology is like that

and she will think, oh what if you were a bit more like that, taller more attractive or, you have that characteristic a bit more etc

[uncut pier]

No, the purpose of animals is to breed

[lofty wolf]

Humans are animals though

[foggy path]

Animals don't feel love

[lofty wolf]

idk what they feel

[uncut pier]

They do

[foggy path]

Sex is emotionless for them

[foggy path]

Not the same way as we do

[uncut pier]

No, what is your major

[foggy path]

No?

[uncut pier]

All action in animals occurs from feelings

[foggy path]

No

[karmic spear]

i wanna eat fruit

😀

[vast wraith]

you probably think they don’t really feel pain either smh

[lofty wolf]

Speaking of

[vast wraith]

BAD

[foggy path]

They don't process emotions the same way as we do

[lofty wolf]

I have a weird craving for vegetables lately. Anyone else?

[burnt ledge]

I think you can control it too it probably just takes a lot of self reflection which can sometimes lead to unwanted realisations

[uncut pier]

So what

[foggy path]

Well

[burnt ledge]

Again I think it depends on how exactly it manifests and what you do with it

[foggy path]

It's upto you

[vast wraith]

wow so profound, next you’ll probably make the conclusion that humans are free to do whatever they want with nature

[uncut pier]

It's upto all of us

[karmic spear]

Yo I am interested in understanding how y see it but rn i have to go and put some studying in 😭 ive been procastinating since morning

can i reopen the subject a bit later in the day or tommorow if u dont mind?

[burnt ledge]

Yea sure

[foggy path]

Sure

[karmic spear]

alr Ill tag y

[lofty wolf]

I'll probably be sleeping by then

thats fine

[karmic spear]

enjoyed talking w/ y all

have a good day

[vast wraith]

well f*ck you then

[foggy path]

No don't fuck me

[burnt ledge]

Ahan I think it would do you some good to let go of some of your preconceptions about animals. I think you might be taking their their lack of higher reasoning capacity and drawing too many conclusions from it

[foggy path]

I was just trolling him/her

[lofty wolf]

Cats are kinda dumb

[uncut pier]

Why makes you think this

[lofty wolf]

I tried teaching my cat that when I point at his plate with food that he should look in that direction

He does not understand me pointing at all

He just looks at my finger

And licks it

[burnt ledge]

If you spend some time observing animals either irl with actual animals or on paper by reading studies you will find either eay that the inner lives of the animals are much richer than you might expect

[foggy path]

But it's a fact that they don't process emotions the same way we do

[lofty wolf]

Animals might not be able to reason about their emotions

Tbf I wouldn't try to do so either

[uncut pier]

You are not understanding the cat

[lofty wolf]

It usually hurts more because reasoning can be wrong in a lot of ways

[uncut pier]

Okay

[lofty wolf]

Right I forgot that cats were superintelligent species that one day will ruin humanity and take over the world

[burnt ledge]

Okay I dont really respect that a great deal, but at any rate the things you said which I'm responding to had been said before jens entered the conversation

[burnt ledge]

Of course but merely a difference doesn't really mean anything

[uncut pier]

You need to observe the cat, and align your action to the cat's behaviour.

[foggy path]

[lofty wolf]

Oh another thing

cats dont really seem to understand when I repeat his actions

maybe im dumb though

[hardy iron]

We just don't care

[upbeat birch]

quadrober?

[neon garnet]

@wanton coyote
i love yapping about local politics and tangible voting. what are things involved in local politics?

[foggy path]

It means a lot of things

You all vegan or something?

[burnt ledge]

Nope

[burnt ledge]

No you have to qualify the difference for it to mean something

[foggy path]

@burnt ledge what's ur favourite animal

[boreal mason]

@foggy path are you chinese?

[karmic spear]

aint no way you are all still on the chat

[burnt ledge]

Idk I don't generally like animals very much

[foggy path]

No

[boreal mason]

okay

[burnt ledge]

The smaller and further they are from me the better, usually

[foggy path]

@burnt ledge you like puppies ?

[burnt ledge]

no

[karmic spear]

fish are nice

cuz cosmetic

[burnt ledge]

Yea fish are cool

[karmic spear]

otherwise , animals <

[foggy path]

@burnt ledge not even cute puppies?

[karmic spear]

Ahan do y like cats?

[burnt ledge]

No i dont like any type of dog

[foggy path]

I just don't like animals

[karmic spear]

I just wanted to say that I think cat is the most overatted animal

[foggy path]

I don't hate them I don't like them

[karmic spear]

I dont like animals in general

apart from fish mby

[foggy path]

If they bother me then I hate them

[karmic spear]

ye

[foggy path]

But I don't feel bad for them

[karmic spear]

why are ppl cat enjoyers

[burnt ledge]

Yea im pretty similar up to here

[karmic spear]

and there are a lot of themm

[burnt ledge]

I just also can feel bad for them at the same time

[karmic spear]

Wild Animals are cool tho

I enjoyed watching many documentaries on the jungle life and some other stuff like polar bears etc

[foggy path]

People like animals the same way they like stuffed toys

They may cry for cats and dogs

But they will feel nothing for the reptiles

[karmic spear]

because they are "ew"

[foggy path]

No

Yes but no

[karmic spear]

yes

[foggy path]

Humans aren't made to love animals

[karmic spear]

turtles are cool tho

[foggy path]

We only tend to like the animals which resembles human face

Or human baby

[boreal mason]

emm

[foggy path]

Suppose if we somehow transfer the consciousness of a puppy into a spider

Just a hypothetical scenario*

You won't feel anything

Even after killing the spider

[karmic spear]

haha wild

[foggy path]

Even if you know

That the dog was living in that body

All the care for these animals is just an unconscious instinct which isn't even meant for them

[solid snow]

????

Clearly people care about animals

[karmic spear]

||Like the bad unconscious instincts in a relationship ||

[foggy path]

😮‍💨

[karmic spear]

well I mean if you have found ways to justify that you care about an animal sure

I know people, and I am one of those ppl that just feel neutral with animals dying

[foggy path]

Yep

[karmic spear]

I also wouldnt get an animal to take care of

Maybe a fish for cosmetic reasons

[foggy path]

• Humans unconscious tend to relate how animals feel with themselves

[karmic spear]

I'd feel bad watching an animal tho getting abused

[foggy path]

But That's a completely different experience

[karmic spear]

I consider it's death neutral

And I also consider humans using animals neutral for their survival

But watching animals getting abused feels bad

Thats it

Doesnt mean I care about animals

And most ppl feel that way

I'd argue that a fair percentage wouldnt care about watching animals starving or being misstreated tbh

so you could say that most ppl dont care about animals

[foggy path]

https://youtu.be/MrJsxjya3bc?si=3FGao57Ms5Yd3jDX

See this

People will still feel bad for the robot even if they are consciously aware about the fact that the robot isn't conscious

[karmic spear]

You are unconsciously associating this with bullying behavior thats why u might feel a bit bad

[karmic spear]

ye

[foggy path]

Cuz the movements resemble human being and the brain somehow unconsciously feel the same as it feels for a human being

That's how humans are fooled by their instincts

[karmic spear]

but then if you are told by someone

They are testing out to see if it can handle being pushed

you might feel feelings of admiration

or positive feelings

[foggy path]

That's also a reason why some people even feel the emotions while watching a movie

[karmic spear]

its all about how unconsciously our perspective is influenced

[karmic spear]

yea even from anime which are literal drawings

[foggy path]

Lmao

[karmic spear]

but its normal

nothing wrong w/ it

its all about the messages that the creators of these shows pass

and those have real value

Cinema is one of the finest forms of art imo

[foggy path]

Mostly it just deals with everything superficial in this world

[karmic spear]

Welp

sometimes thats what we need

[foggy path]

Not an ideal trait of Übermensch

[karmic spear]

I love Ubermensch but I dont fully agree that movies only deal w/ superficial stuff

[foggy path]

Still we don't need these stuff

[karmic spear]

nah

[foggy path]

Nah?

[karmic spear]

I cant kill art , that's stupid

[solid snow]

Why are you using this word?

[foggy path]

Even if it has some meaning message it will be served along with superficiality

[foggy path]

Just for fun

[karmic spear]

Ubermensch is a cool idea , even tho I dont appreciate modern philosophy as much

[solid snow]

Its literally nazi rhetoric

[karmic spear]

No

...

[foggy path]

No

[karmic spear]

Its a philosophical concept

Nothing to do w/ Nazis

[foggy path]

Nietzsche was good but he couldn't handle his own goodness

[karmic spear]

And Ubermensch supports democracy

nothing to do with these political views

not democracy

like

Free will

it does not concern itself w/ politics

Only with the individual itself

[karmic spear]

yes

Hitler only used this word for propaganda or to describe his idk stupid thoughts about the superior race of his country

Doesnt mean that because this guy used it, it derives from the nazi rhetoric

[solid snow]

Yeah fair

[karmic spear]

Nietszche , the creator of this concept hated Nazis

[solid snow]

I was just alarmed by a greek statue pfp talking about art being pointless using it

[solid snow]

Tbf he was dead before they were a thing

[karmic spear]

yes ofc, but he claimed that hes polish blooded

would hate*

but Ive read somewhere why Hitler manipulated this idea to do propaganda and how philosophy was against that at the time stmh lik this

i want to search it up again and find out about the usage of this concept at the time

[foggy path]

He used him just to justify his actions lol

[stark silo]

Same as today when populists would use words that sound smart to rile people up while missing the point of how that word was used originally

[humble beacon]

Anyone got any math jokes

[stark silo]

Tension is just potential waiting to be released

Plug in U. U are tension. Physics joke, close enough?

[humble beacon]

Yea

[foggy path]

Mathematicians don't joke

[humble beacon]

Well my teacher makes fun of us

And jokes a lot

Dosent seems true to me

[foggy path]

He's a teacher not a mathematician

[humble beacon]

Like calling us who took physics and math watermelon and math and egg and maby in reverse too

[humble beacon]

High school teacher still have a degree on math

[foggy path]

Nvm I am just messing around

[true zinc]

Just because they have a degree doesn't make them a mathematician

I'd recommend recalling the definition of "mathematician" from a reputable dictionary at your earliest convenience

[humble beacon]

Your right

That mean a math scientist

[clever quail]

Guys does anyone know how to open N summations for a natural number n

[half kayak]

Homo nihil-sapiens

[digital laurel]

are they miserable

or is it some twisted esoteric fun

[long matrix]

tell us

[granite thistle]

thinking about touching grass today. should i risk it?

[foggy path]

Dm

[digital laurel]

nono

its too dangerous

[stark silo]

I have another mathematician joke, but it's a physical comedy. You probably all know it

How an engineer, a mathematician, and a physicist makes coffee

[hallow quail]

<@&268886789983436800>

get this guy out of here

[eager reef]

Joke wasn’t THAT bad come on

[hallow quail]

💀

[hallow quail]

the mathematician has to assume existence is true

[stark silo]

The mathematician has to return the pot to a previously known position

The physicist has to first touch the stove to prove that it's hot

The engineer, the stupidest of the bunch, immediately puts the pot on the stove just in case it works

[granite thistle]

fr gotta stay on the minecraft grind

[digital laurel]

yesyes

[karmic spear]

thats funny asf ngl

@stark silo

[hallow quail]

engineer catching strays 😭

[stark silo]

It's funnier with the movements

I'm studying to be an engineer, I'm allowed to laugh at my people

[burnt ledge]

Ngl tho

How is that stupid

Thats the smartest action out of the three

[long matrix]

ur stupid

[clever quail]

Guys can anyone tell me how can I write the following in form of summation

(1+(1+2)+(1+2+3)+(1+2+3+4)+......+1+2+3+4+5+6+.....+n)

[proven wharf]

sum of the first k integers is k(k+1)/2, but use #❓how-to-get-help .

[stark silo]

What if the stove is not on. What if it's not coffee in the pot. Or what if things go kaboom. Engineers are lazy TT_TT

[hallow quail]

that looks like the sum, of the sum of the first k integers

[mint canopy]

Are there savoury dishes that use vanilla flavouring?

I'm imagining like, vanilla flavoured meatloaf or sth idk

I'm frankly not sure if this would be an awful thing or not

[neat lintel]

If you like vanilla enough you can put it in everything

[mint canopy]

But I wanna know if people do this!

[neat lintel]

How much do you like vanilla

[mint canopy]

Eh it's OK

[neat lintel]

You are not vanilla enough

To join the vanilla community

Sorry

[mint canopy]

[sharp mulch]

Vanilla + lobster is a thing

You can add a little bit to your rice

[mint canopy]

To rice, hm interesting

[sharp mulch]

You can add lots of things to rice

You don't want to add too much

But a little bit will add a nice aroma

[lofty wolf]

might be just me but rice is best when it has no salt and nothing else

the main dish should have all the glory, and rice should stay as is

that might be more applicable to asian cuisine, where the food is very spicy and you use rice to kinda soften it up

[vernal token]

$\sum_{k=1}^n \sum_{j = 1}^k j$

[fathom swallow]

Kepe

[lofty wolf]

Back in highshcool I remember getting an exact formula for this expression, but it took so much time and I dont remember the final expression

The only thing I remember is that that expression had a n^3 term in it

[neat lintel]

= sum(k(k+1)/2) = 1/2*sum(k² + k) = 1/2 × (k(k+1)(2k+1)/6 + k(k+1)/2)

[lofty wolf]

that checks out

[long herald]

w

[burnt ledge]

All of these can be easily fixed. Looks like it was the others that were lazy owing to their procrastination of the task at hand. Touching the stove is not a smart idea compared to putting the pot on the stove. Nor is putting the pot away particularly pragmatic

[cunning agate]

it has a neater form using hockey stick I believe

[neat lintel]

Idk what that means

[cunning agate]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockey-stick_identity

[neat lintel]

I'll pretend I read the whole thing and understood it to perfection ah yes yes

[cunning agate]

lmao

[glass peak]

The only places I’m really aware of it would be with lobster, in like a burre blanc or something, or with rice

My thinking is though, it’ll work with anything delicate and kinda fatty, I imagine it would be quite nice with cauliflower

I don’t know if it would be fantastic, but it’s the first kinda place my head goes if I’m thinking of a savoury dish with vanilla

Oh actually I’m totally forgetting we had a duck dish on at work at one point, it was served with a potato, golden beetroot and vanilla Boulanger

But again, I think potato and especially golden beetroot fall into that kinda subtle, earthy, creamy type veg category, but that was a nice starch (just a massive pain to layer all those alternating slices )

[stark silo]

that's a...very literal way of killing the joke, but you do you, my friend

[rocky vault]

by any chance does anyone know how easy it is to do college in another country than where you graduated high school

[limber thunder]

plenty of people do this, colleges usually have some venue for international admissions in undergrad and grad school, "easy" is relative of course but if you were something like a top student in your home country and have some interesting extracurriculars there's a good chance you might get somewhere. Getting into some Ivy League or Oxbridge type school is of course hard, but there's plenty of other good schools, not just in the US and UK but e.g. Australia, other places in Europe and so on. You should take time to research what programs are out there, check out e.g. https://old.reddit.com/r/IntltoUSA/ and https://old.reddit.com/r/InternationalStudents/ as a starting point

t. someone who did their due research but ended up deciding against doing a PhD abroad

personal reasons mostly

[rocky vault]

well I have to leave the country because I may be put in a forced labor or concentration camp so I'm kinda hoping that proceeds slow enough for me to finish hs

if I don't finish hs I wonder if I'd be able to start where I left off

[foggy path]

What?

Where do you live?

[rocky vault]

the US, we already have a concentration camp and they're making it so trans people are legally undocumented which lets them put us in that camp

[foggy path]

Forced labour?

[foggy path]

Isn't us too open-minded in that sense?

[rocky vault]

not sure, we don't have enough info, all we know is it's 30k people in a ~78 person facility

[foggy path]

You are trans?

[rocky vault]

we have a man in our government who told the party who wants germany to "do a 180" on how it treats the holocaust rememberance

that they should stop being ashamed of their history

and did a nazi salute at our presidential inauguration

[rocky vault]

yeah

[foggy path]

Musk?

[rocky vault]

musk.

he has so much control over our government him and trump have already explicitly violated our laws multiple times and nothing is happening

[foggy path]

He's a man child