serious-discussion

[sonic sentinel]

Cybernetics is the scientific study and mathematical modeling of regulation and control in systems, focusing on the flow of information and how it is used by the system to control itself.

they got an entire scientific field for studying negative feedback loops?

???

[brazen mulch]

💀💀

[neat lintel]

hehe, the globe is a [redacted]

[burnt compass]

someone help

[frank osprey]

Hey can anybody send the invite to the official chemistry server?

[sharp mulch]

#old-network

[upbeat heart]

[jaunty ibex]

[storm sage]

Negative feedback loops are important :<

[sonic sentinel]

cybernetics fans when i write x_{i+1}=x_i*0.99 on the whiteboard

https://tenor.com/view/paul-heyman-omg-oh-my-god-shocked-surprised-gif-13187715

[storm sage]

Also add some control terms in there

[sonic sentinel]

what are those

[plain musk]

Hey I have a ti inspire cx ii and I want to get the x value of cosx~ -0.451 but it doesnt give me x

[olive kettle]

I need help with the asvab

[desert token]

I GOT TWO CORRECT ANSWERS IN A ROW ON MATH

I DID IT

[ionic star]

math unlocked

[desert token]

I used the polya method and it worked

I'm actually smart?..

[desert token]

I feel like I could do anything

[modest nacelle]

that's a great feeling to have, do you know what you want to do?

[keen sinew]

Hi chat

Chat, I draw

What do, chat

[grand hornet]

That's nothing. I do hundreds of questions correctly before having to stop,

to sleep.

[grand hornet]

do math

[keen sinew]

Bros him

[tawdry tartan]

[dusty star]

what does the symbol | mean like in |2x + 3y + 2|

[zinc bridge]

Absolute value probably

[brittle socket]

Absolutely.

[faint light]

positively

[drowsy flume]

really?

[jaunty ibex]

[tawdry tartan]

And so it begins

[tawdry tartan]

[pure hollow]

[tame egret]

[jaunty ibex]

[tawdry tartan]

[upbeat heart]

[rapid marlin]

I have a mock of JEE Mains pattern exam on 30th someone pls help me
How can I prepare this stuff till then

Permutation and Combination - I can't even do a single question even after watching a 6 hours lecture
Binomial Theorem - I have to watch and practice 3 hours of more lecture
Parabola, Ellipse - I am kind of bad at this stuff I prefer not to watch lectures on it and just learn the formulae and its backstory and then just practice questions

Give more priority to binomial and parabola, ellipse as P&C came in my previous exam too and it will have less questions of that

[quiet ember]

ngl he is saicac netwenen

[teal ridge]

hey

[bitter kettle]

I'd love to resolve this! Intimacy is, to the best resolve I can muster, an artifact of psychosocial evolutionary adaptation to stimuli within the environment, largely proliferated by the amygdala's influence on human mate selection over the extensive course of human biology and collective selection processes. Homosexuality and fetishism in general is the recourse to resolve complex mate selection processes through trust formative power dynamics within same sex or expansively diverse 'surface areas' for exploration of love, bonding, and security. To say it is a 'dysfunction' is incorrect! Instead to attribute to objective beauty and love, its more accurate to say that the reliance on homosexuality/ "deviance" or call it being more or equally beautiful than the formative beauty of man and woman in the effort of pure creation is sub ideal. This is far more accurate and loving for those that just want to experience love and try and resolve the cruelty imbedded in themselves and their society. You'd make substantially more progress practicing the actual truth of the divine by treating everyone with the love that faith refers to and understanding the children that we all are in heart.

Then again I like math too much and am highly autistic and devoid of involvement in standard human social interactions and have to reason social behaviors against extensive pragmatism to feel safe from the evils in this world. So that being said its best to stick to math in a math discord? Yeah probably that.

[sharp dove]

For any academic help, PM.
Ready to help

[plain island]

nope! you can help people here, on this server :)

[icy locust]

Help!

[icy locust]

!help

[quasi jetty]

To ask for mathematics help on this server, please open your own help channel or help thread. See #❓how-to-get-help for instructions.

[ebon slate]

https://www.youtube.com/live/Y5TFAnKMBmI?si=haIwVEQb92s1vI1-

[dusty moth]

Hello superior chat

[upbeat heart]

[cloud crown]

This is middle school math be Fr

[bright junco]

i did that stuff last year. i got like 60% 😭

my teacher wore a gas mask and nobody could understand him

it wasnt evem that hard icl. u js gotta practise which i didnt really bother doing. i dont think watchinf like 6 hour lectures is better than watching multiple short videos that get straight to the point. surely theres like a "study design" for the exam hes doing that says exactly what is being assessed and what topics are needed to be learnt

[cloud crown]

Yeah long lectures are pretty inefficient

[bright junco]

prolly more efficient atp to go straight to the questions and then learn how to solve them

[cloud crown]

Fr

[bright junco]

man why do i struggle with like core math topics rather than difficult ones

i fking spent 3 hours tryna understand this prime factorization application while i can breeze through vectors which i have to learn later this year

AND then i struggled on a venn diagram 😭

cuz i dont remember learning probability

its 1 am for me imma sleep gn

god i hope this server saves me from my academic downfall

[half kayak]

You also have your local library that might offer tutoring services or other help

You should definitely ask them what they have in store for you

[north topaz]

goated library

libraries here don't do this

[half kayak]

But… did you ask them if they know of any?

If not, then ooff

[north topaz]

I didn't even consider libraries when I needed tutoring

either private tutor in grade school or uni has tutoring services

[cloud crown]

Selective learning

[willow moon]

Hi! So this has been troubling me for a while. I like to read theorems and attempt proving them myself. But sometimes, in class we'll also be learning the proofs. Hence, when it's my first encounter with the theorem, I don't have the opportunity to prove them myself because they've already been proven during lectures. To mitigate this, sometimes I'd intentionally tune out and not pay any attention during lectures. I'm kinda curious what you'd do? Is watching your professor prove a theorem before you've attempted it okay?

[inner canopy]

I think in general it's good practice to listen and read proofs because that's how you learn how to write nicer proofs and learn new proof techniques

like coming up with half the shit people came up to prove stuff isn't really feasible imo

[peak tide]

do you have a syllabus and textbook? if so you could read ahead and try to prove the theorems yourself before you ever see them in the lecture

[fringe meteor]

4-2

[tame egret]

Loooooooooooool

That match never happened

[fringe meteor]

no he did

[tame egret]

Well 4 minutes till city's next match

[tame egret]

It's going really bad

[fringe meteor]

yeye

[fringe meteor]

we re losing

[sonic sentinel]

man edgy teenagers used to have a culture and shit, "my silence is just another word for my pain"? god damn. now it's all "what color is your bugatti" and "i always defect in the iterated prisoner's dilemma"

[old oak]

An inevitable consequence of abandoning humanities in higher education.

[sonic sentinel]

what's the mechanism of action here

[ionic star]

they also didn't watch twilight

[sonic sentinel]

humanities majors teach the youngins to begin by cooperating?

[old oak]

No, but they teach the youngins that there's more to life than coding and money

[sonic sentinel]

like descriptivism vs prescriptivism?

[old oak]

Or, well, they would, but collectively as a civilization we've decided that there isn't more to life

[sonic sentinel]

(my original message was a joke (and so was my last message) but now im curious about your philosophy)

[burnt ledge]

are teenagers even generally in higher education

[old oak]

No, but it filters down

[old oak]

I'm not sure I have a coherent philosophy other than "try to be kind to your fellow human beings"

[burnt ledge]

trickel down education

[old oak]

Not so much education, but the tone.

The message is loud and clear that if you want success in life, you go into STEM, and subjects like history or classical languages are for losers.

[sonic sentinel]

i meant your philosophy as to why a decline in humanities majors made edgy teenagers be edgy differently

[old oak]

It was more of a tongue in cheek comment, really

I am rarely entirely serious in this discord outside of a) discussing mathematics in the advanced channels and b) telling homophobes to fuck off.

As for edgy teenagers, I don't really have the data on the ways edginess manifested then and now.

I wonder if there is any research on the subject

[sonic sentinel]

you remember those protests with people chanting "occupy ivy league" and the academics in their ivory towers looking up from their books and laughing?

[sonic sentinel]

a life of unrestrained hedonism, i see

[tame egret]

@fringe meteor
It's going better

[fringe meteor]

yeye gvardiol got that shit

[burnt ledge]

not really no

when was that

[fathom swallow]

David

[old oak]

In general? Maybe not. In this discord? Oh yes

[sonic sentinel]

im referencing another famous protest that actually did occur

[true zinc]

hey outsider

I nearly just type owlsider on accident

[sick parrot]

math has so much aura bruh respectfully

[trail osprey]

What's a good topic to learn during summer, that is niche enough that no math degree covers it

[vivid halo]

what is your background and what stuff are you interested in

[trail osprey]

I am currently a first year undergraduate. I was looking into game theory and it looked pretty interesting and it also isn't covered in future courses. But I still want to know more niche topics to explore.

[vivid halo]

maybe knot theory would be good? It's not often taught but it's a nice way to get into topology

[sharp mulch]

Game theory is usually not covered in other math classes

[vivid halo]

game theory is also a good choice yeah

[trail osprey]

Knot theory does require prereq of topology tho right?

[vivid halo]

not really, depending on the textbook you follow

a lot of basic knot theory requires basically zero topology

[leaden torrent]

graph theory frequently does get a dedicated university course but its often targeted more at comp scientists

[vast wraith]

graphs are nice

[trail osprey]

Ohhh, I had asked a prof Abt it. He just handed me a topology book to do first.

[trail osprey]

Usually it does get covered under a discrete mathematics course no?

[vivid halo]

the topology helps but not strictly necessary, and knot theory can be a good way to ease yourself into more general topology

[trail osprey]

I see I see

[leaden torrent]

only an introductory treatment

[vivid halo]

knot theory is also really nicely related to lots of great algebraic and combinatorial structures

[leaden torrent]

like definition of a graph, maybe the handshake lemma or something

[vivid halo]

things like quantum groups

[leaden torrent]

but nothing about e.g. infinitary graphs

like, middle school will often teach what "gcd" means, but that doesnt mean its equivalent to a number theory course

[trail osprey]

Ohh okay 👍🏽

[trail osprey]

I have no idea what those are but it sounds cool

[vivid halo]

I just mean the things that people who study abstract algebra or combinatorics like to study

[trail osprey]

Gotchu

[trail osprey]

Hmm okay

Does graph theory require a lot of prereqs?

[vivid halo]

no a lot of it is extremely elementary

you mainly just need linear algebra I guess

[trail osprey]

Ahh lovely

[neat lintel]

I see graph theory and topology talked about together relatively often; are they very related?

[vivid halo]

yes there are a lot of relations between them

[neat lintel]

Ic, thanks

[old oak]

I wouldn't say basic graph theory has that much in common with topology (although the notion of homeomorphism does show up).

[vivid halo]

there are more relations with things like low dimensional topology or algebraic topology

[old oak]

That said, people (especially non-mathematicians) often talk of "topology" when they mean "graph structure"

(see e.g. "network topology")

[neat lintel]

Is that why the mentions of topology in physics don’t usually seem like topology

[vivid halo]

yeah probably

[neat lintel]

Oh lmao, that makes so much more sense.

[vivid halo]

although plenty of physics uses lots from topology

[neat lintel]

Do you know any examples I’d understand?

[vivid halo]

well both general relativity and quantum field theory come to mind

or to give a more specific example, topological defects/solitons

quantization of charge is arguably a topological thing

Dirac showed that if any magnetic monopoles exist in the universe, then all electric charge in the universe must be quantized, and this goes by a topological argument

[neat lintel]

That’s neat!

[vivid halo]

in quantum field theory there is often an issue of "anomaly" terms which you often have to add to a theory in order for it to be consistent, and those are usually topological in nature

kind of hard to do most modern physics without a good deal of topology

[dusty ore]

what even is reality?

[cerulean swan]

perception is reality

[dusty ore]

but why do we even have a sense of perception

[cerulean swan]

wdym

[fresh oriole]

the hard problem of consciousness has entered the chat

[cerulean swan]

consciousness is observation of perception combined with observation of memories

[fresh oriole]

what is observation?

[cerulean swan]

think about how decisions are made. by your brain doing electrochemical stuff

and consciousness is just observing these decisions and thinking they are made by it

[fresh oriole]

what is doing the observing?

[cerulean swan]

the consciousness

its not actually deciding anything

(my opinion btw)

[neon garnet]

could you focus on something else?

he's messaged about me 6 times. i didn't want to call it out in main discussion.

[fresh comet]

[neon garnet]

that's 10% of his messages.

[plain island]

I don't think that's any of your business.

[neon garnet]

how've you held up?

[solid snow]

<@&268886789983436800>

[upbeat heart]

[sonic sentinel]

the guy on the right "plans" to create AGI to make tons of new jobs for americans. i put plans in quotes because i have yet to hear a single person lay out how exactly creating cheap human level intelligence is going to do anything other that doesn't destroy the advantage of real humans' labor. just create some bullshit jobs, i guess?
i don't like the guy on the left either but arguably he's more constrained in his ability to wreak havoc on the world.

absolutely fucking crazy to think i walked past guy on the right once

what's even funnier is that, whether intentionally or not, progressive-type media, which you would think would be a nightmare for someone like the guy on the right, seems to be wonderfully aligned to help this guys goals.
wait, why shouldn't i care about this guy trying to become a disney-type supervillian? oh right, he can't, language models aren't actually good at doing anything other than repeating patterns! god i'm so stupid... how could i forget that
when progressive-type media does care about AI, it's issues like AI making systemic bias easier... and... calling for the same regulations that openai does?
like... what the fuck is going on here?

DISCUSSY DISCOURSE ACTIVATE

[neon garnet]

sam is on trial for assaulting his sister annie. [1] To my frustration, speaking up about this often results in people critically centering annie rather than sam, despite 0 incentives to lie about speaking up about s.a. existing and the effect of that behavior being encouraging self silencing in victims privy to backlash concerning her speaking up. "Why did it take you so long to say something?" "Because of exactly how you are reacting now?" [2] [3]

sam has more issues, ranging from stifing ethical conversations, likely coercion of employees to garner near universal call for reinstatement to his company in '24, to inducing the need to speak out for https://righttowarn.ai/ in his company. Mira Murati was cto at openai, but her wiki page and a lot of search results annoyingly fail to center what her "new ai startup," actually is rather than openai, which i think is unlearn.ai. I appreciated your rival source too. I aspired to openai when it was a nonprofit ai research lab. i really don't anymore. Not after everything that has happened and is happening there. Definitely not for me.

They're for profit and make weapons now.

[gloomy arrow]

Hi

[neon garnet]

Stochastic Parrots is still highkey a banger paper, even if a touch old. Ty for sharing. It seems especially interesting in light of techiques atop language models like CoT and GoT that platform checking. Matching your energy with Dr. Fae-Fae Li's Senate Testimony, which adds a fairly balanced view that the us government heard and, without minimizing the issue, makes me feel a touch better given recent activity of the us administration concerning ai. Also, timnit is at dair now. I like focusing on slowing ai (stochastic parrots is the lead paper here ), like Gebru. Incentive structures currently align to promote harm, which at least betrays Li's vision for ai to serve humans.

i increasingly like RAG too

[plain island]

I think I fell asleep but what do you mean?

[neon garnet]

with the everything happening right now in the usa 😔

it feels disheartening to me

[plain island]

im Concerned but trying to make sure I have friends around me

[neon garnet]

that sounds healthy

i'm trying to too ⭐

[plain island]

two weeks ago I had such different worries

[neon garnet]

this situation feels really bleak to me rn

i hope you feel less exhausted than i do, haley

[frank osprey]

This is not an America-only server. Us non-Americans don't really care

[sonic sentinel]

😂
Trick question: Which country do you think I'm from?

[frank osprey]

I would assume 'Murica or Canada

[sonic sentinel]

I'm a half-Hungarian half-Yemeni resident of Qatar, but close enough.

[frank osprey]

Then why do you care?

[sonic sentinel]

Because shit's global

[frank osprey]

Is it tho?

Seems pretty limited to America, maybe NATO at most

[sonic sentinel]

You can't just build cheap human-level intelligence that is controlled by a private corporation, and expect the effects to stay within a country.

Maybe if the government is careful, they can keep the whatever-it-is private and limit the impact to improving a country's military for example (which would also be a shitty outcome for the rest of the world, let's be real)

The U.S. government does not seem careful

[frank osprey]

Really, because I honestly think it will

At most it will affect American puppet governments around the world

Also every government promises to increase jobs

No one ever does

[sonic sentinel]

Wdym? Unemployment rates have gone down in at least one country at least once in history.

[frank osprey]

Not in this economy

[sonic sentinel]

despite 0 incentives to lie about speaking up about s.a. existing
please avoid using hyperbole like this especially in this context as it blurs meaning/intent and makes it harder to have effective conversations around serious issues.

thanks for reminding me about the situation with sama's sister, i forgot about that, and it affirms the idea that sam altman is a cold calculating psychopath. in the narrow chance that he does have good intentions, he's extremely machiavellian in how he goes about those intentions, and will likely be corrupted as soon as he has true power.
I have not seen any sort of mainstream media talk about the possibility of annie being abused. this does not seem to be a case of journalism being safe for the good of the public, and it makes me further concerned about why the mainstream media appears so well aligned with altman's goals.

i understand your frustration with people dismissing annie's claims of abuse. i suspect this is an issue with tech-enthusiasts, and that annie's claims of abuse would be taken more seriously in more tech-skepticist or mainstream communities (ironically, these are the communities i expressed frustration about being accidentally aligned with sam's goals)

[sonic sentinel]

Stochastic Parrots is still highkey a banger paper, even if a touch old. Ty for sharing.

I was making fun of the idea that LLMs are pattern matchers while humans are not. I think intelligence, in the more conservative sense of the word, is fundamentally pattern matching, and that frameworks that posit humans as a special type of intelligence are often plagued by motivated reasoning. less conservative definitions of intelligence seem to end up embedding human values in some form rather than focusing on objective criteria, like calling ai unintelligent because it makes art that humans don't like. i think this is motivated by the postmodernist (don't worry i had to look it up) idea that truth is relative and informed by culture, but i think this sort of thinking actually runs somewhat counter to postmodernism, since it fails to acknowledge that ai might have ways of thinking that are different from ours.
anyway, the current situation seems to be that you really only need intelligence in the more conservative sense of the word to make ai do stuff that is useful for humans, and it looks like we're on track of being able to increase that type of intelligence very quickly.

if you could suggest me one link to check out out of the ones you linked, which one would you suggest?

Do we have evidence that systemic bias in AI is worse than in humans or could lead to systemic bias much worse than humans'? The people I've heard raising the systemic bias issue don't seem to focus on this question, which, given how fundamental it sounds, makes me suspicious.

I would guess that we can likely make AI better than humans at usual bias issues like prejudice based on race, but issues with overfitting will end up coming up in more and more incomprehensible ways (which ai companies will happily patch over and over again and IGNORE THE WHOLE DAMN PICTURE THAT NO YOU CAN'T JUST KEEP SPOTTING BUGS AND FIXING THEM YOU DUMMY)

well i mean they're not bugs as in like computer bugs

issues... small issues

yeah this is fucked im gonna go do some stuff that makes me feel happier

[neon garnet]

agi talk remains inherently speculative. People inappropriately say agi to refer to o1, gpt4 turbo, etc, but LMs cover human intelligence. In lack of a world model, in lack of ability to reliably manipulate objects, we are still very far from agi.

[neon garnet]

ig it's new challenges, new growth for me. what is it for you?

[plain island]

well a couple of weeks ago i was planning work trips and now i'm afraid i'll be fired because of who i am

[neon garnet]

it seems odd to say when you talk about ai powered drones and warfare

[solid snow]

also their pronouns 🤨

[neon garnet]

😔 that's the vibe. people are already getting fired concerning the shift away from dei. trump also fired the first woman in the military side iirc, and tech, zuck and masc energy

[neon garnet]

i'm really scared too. 😔

[plain island]

thanks

@frank osprey dm modmail

[plain island]

well and like... as you know it doesn't even match reality, like at my company we take a lot of care to make sure that we were as unbiased as possible in resume review (i wanted to cut names off of resumes but realized that extracurriculars would tend to give it away anyway), interviews, etc. DEI programs are a way to ensure that we actually cast a wide enough net to get the people we want, rather than just the ones within a 5 mile radius who look like us. I am upsetti.

[urban iron]

Booty cheecks

[jaunty ibex]

[sonic sentinel]

all talk of the future is inherently speculative. the most popular speculation in the mainstream media is either that we shouldn't expect extrapolation based on current rate of progress in AI (reasonable) or long-term trends in AI (difficult to defend). the arguments i've seen against the second sort of extrapolation are weak.

of course, i hope the extrapolation is incorrect, we absolutely shouldn't build AGI.
from my perspective, it's a shame that the tech-skepticist/leftist group, which has the best chance of holding AI companies accountable for this sort of reckless invention of technology, just doesn't.

[sonic sentinel]

LLMs have a world model, it's just not explicitly written into them, just like with humans! If you are curious about how AI sees the world, you may be interested in exploring SAE features of language models. SAE features are not explicitly coded into the model.
Visual and spatial manipulation stuff is a challenge, but I don't think it will be a major roadblock on path to AGI. Even a sufficiently intelligent text-based AI could wreak havoc on the economy (or indeed, the world).

[gusty socket]

me three.

i lose sleep thinking about the future.

[jaunty ibex]

[candid wyvern]

That’s why I don’t think at all, not about the past, present, or future.

[neon garnet]

mhm! i feel that rollback of dei policies only perpetuates inequality, especially for that reason. i feel glad that your company individually still values dei, even while faang is dessimating it. focusing on those make me feel a bit better as a woc. i'm scared of a white male washed tech industry in 2029, given the state of things, and i feel like i'm about to work much harder to stay in. What do you think the tech industry will look like in 2029?

[neon garnet]

what's a world model?

[sonic sentinel]

a model of the world...?
some useful representation of a lot of the world

[spice ember]

Hello

I want help in downloading an iso file for linux distribution in my android phone

[neon garnet]

right. what encodes world covering environment dynamics in the world model you suggest an llm infers?

[sonic sentinel]

sorry i'm not sure what this question asks.
at a low-level, you could say an LLM models the world in terms of computer bits, or matrices, or tokens; however, this seems fundamentally misguided, like saying "humans model the world in terms of neurons or bits of brain", like yeah it's technically correct but it doesn't capture how humans see the world (indeed, there are many humans unaware that neurons exist!)
at a high-level, it is unclear what an LLM thinks. we can analyze stuff like SAE features, how they relate to each other, etc, which seems to indicate that the model thinks somehow, but it is unclear to what extent it captures all the thinking of the model. this is like if you tried to understand what a human is thinking as an alien by looking at a scan of a human brain: good luck.

[solid snow]

who’s to say aliens cant do that

[neon garnet]

https://msmagazine.com/2025/01/15/elon-musk-women-trump/
https://humanrights.ca/story/online-misogyny-manosphere
https://www.equimundo.org/what-is-the-manosphere/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manosphere
@fresh comet do you know any public figures that might belong with this concept? just curious

[fresh comet]

I do not, unfortunately

I tend not to look into those kinds of online spaces, so I’m not very familiar with many figures from them

[neon garnet]

interesting.

thanks

[wanton coyote]

posting here again since its relevant

[neon garnet]

dreams about the implications of the proposed legislature wake me up recently.

like about domestic abuse and the oklahoma anti divorce proposal.

[neon garnet]

https://buildingmovement.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/Ecosystem-Guide-April-2022.pdf

this too

[willow coyote]

w

LOOOOOl

[sonic sentinel]

Huh? Where's this advice about not bringing your phone coming from?
The advice I remember is take your phone so you can record the police doing police stuff?

from website:

The Electronic Frontier Foundation’s guide to protesting suggests encrypting your phone and turning it on airplane mode before demonstrating, since phones can leave behind bread crumbs of data that leave you vulnerable. (They can also be confiscated by authorities.) The guide also suggests turning off biometric passwords—such as fingerprint and facial-recognition IDs—which make it easier for police to access your device.

[wanton coyote]

i assume bring like a burner phone. but yeah, if your phone is secure, bring it of course

i assume this is just for the layman

who on average, doesn't have much security on their phone

[solid snow]

cameras exist 😮

[wanton coyote]

DEFINITELY bring cameras and phones yes, but don't spend too much on them because in all likelihood they'll get destroyed

[sonic sentinel]

how

they take everyone's cameras?

[solid snow]

they can just smash your device

[wanton coyote]

if things get chaotic, you can drop it, police could swat it from you

[wanton coyote]

yes

[neon garnet]

my last protest i started the phone camera recording pressure against the police

[sonic sentinel]

we need devices that can just easily livestream video to someone

[neon garnet]

also shut down a counterprotest so we made national attention 💅

[sonic sentinel]

mmm wifi would be an issue htough

camera that instantly saves info to some memory thing in your bag or whatever via bluetooth?

^there are no fundamental issues with this right

[wanton coyote]

THIS IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT AND ANOTHER REASON YOU SHOULD ALWAYS BRING PHONES

if the police do not think they are being recorded they will do shady shit

[sonic sentinel]

*think they are not being recorded

[sonic sentinel]

its the reason i mentioned

why no credit

😢

[wanton coyote]

CREDIT TO ASLFIK for this very important addition ❤️

i guess another reason they might not have included it is a jadedness with the police system and police not being held accountable

[neon garnet]

yes, credit to alshfik their very important addition. 🫶

[sonic sentinel]

i wish i'd gone with my mom to a protest in hungary this summer

there was also a protest here (both protests for palestine) but like... it felt distasteful/fake considering public opposition against it isn't free here?

[wanton coyote]

wydm?

like you aren't allowed to?

or

[sonic sentinel]

i mean the law is structured to create the maximum plausible deniability for stuff like this

[wanton coyote]

for protestors or...?

i assume the police

[sonic sentinel]

yeah for persecutors

[wanton coyote]

i feel like it would be more impactful to protest even in that scenario then, it wouldn't be distasteful or fake

it would be extremely dangerous though yes

[sonic sentinel]

nonono

in qatar

the government is pro palestine

[wanton coyote]

OH

[sonic sentinel]

so they made a po palestine protest

[wanton coyote]

OHHHHHHHH

[sonic sentinel]

i said i didnt want to go to the one here in qatar, cause it feels distasteful

[wanton coyote]

OH

TWO SEPARATE STATEMENTS

i was so confused

i cannot read 😭

[sonic sentinel]

please note the manatee turned his head to eagerly catch the 啊啊啊啊啊啊

[wanton coyote]

i hate that video

so much

its so funny

umumumum

[sonic sentinel]

the zookeeper said quote "these hoes don't want a solution, they just want 👏 someone 👏 to 👏 talk 👏 to 👏"

[neon garnet]

https://harvardpolitics.com/alt-right-pipeline/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right_pipeline "Jordan Peterson"

[limber thunder]

[fresh comet]

I’m familiar with JP yes :p

he used to teach at the uni I attend, even

[mint canopy]

Do you need a hug?

[solid cypress]

Hello

anyone here ?

anyone lurking ?

heloooo

byee

[neon garnet]

#discussion message
where do people differ from radios for their interests, and what's an alt right pipeline radio homomorph? a manosphere one?

[neon garnet]

do you think it could be sad if people were coming to mathcord and falling down the JP gateway to the alt right pipeline, especially our women, which the pipeline especially serves to harm, especially when better, safer sources for support exist across the board? [[1]](#chill message)
No matter who i was, I might feel quite betrayed. [2]

[fresh comet]

I admit, this really feels like a loaded question

but in any case, I don't disagree

[neat lintel]

Nope dont care

I dont feel sad for a fish that eats bait

[neon garnet]

a bit ig ☺️ 🤷‍♀️

[bronze pelican]

I had a good day at mahjong club

Two seconds

[quasi jetty]

Please do not advertise your help channel or thread in other parts of the server. There are many people who need help, so advertising can quickly turn into spam.

[river walrus]

This problem came up in a game I was watching someone play, and I am curious how you guys would solve it:

Say you have a house inside a pitch black void, you can only see up to 10 feet in front of you.
You walk away from your house in a straight line for about 10 minutes, and then you spin around to face a new purely random direction, and you lose all sense of which way home is.

What systematic approach could you take to ensure you find your way back home? (theres no landmarks or anything notable in the void aside from your home)

[verbal karma]

In optimization, we call this hill climbing. Say you have a way to measure your local information (your 10 feet), how can we optimize function (say, minimizing the distance to your home) but if you are as blind as you can be, then random walk is the best option (given that we don't know where we are at all; here we at least know we are 10 minutes away)

will it guarantee? well, you can say that you will be close to your home infinitely often if your terrain is flat (i.e., you walk on a plane essentially). Well, a home is not a point in space so one can say you will get to your home infinitely often almost surely, but if you meant a point in this space then you will get arbitrary close to this point (say, a ball around the particular point) almost surely infinitely often

will it converge in finite time? I don't know but probably no

Now, what is a better way? Since we are only walk for 10 minutes so the distance is not that much. One way to do this is to assume that house is big enough, then say walk in Archimedean spiral (r = bt for radius r, angle t, and parameter b)

then if you control your radius well, you will eventually hit your home

I guess Lévy flight could also works but I don't want to think about that now

[upbeat heart]

🍎

[deep siren]

Banana algebra

[grim carbon]

So what we think of Mochizuki

Shinichi

[old oak]

There's new Mochizuki content?

[grim carbon]

Hmm i dont think so

Sorry i got no interesting prompt just curious about a discussion

[ember lance]

Fun fact, I've met him irl

[grim carbon]

Woah whats ur impression of him

Is he like

Eccentric

[ember lance]

He's really smart. I wanna keep an air of mystery so that's all I'll say.

[grim carbon]

😭

I understand

Are you japanese?

Wakarimashta

[inner canopy]

lmfao air of mystery

does he move around japan at all or is he always at RIMS?

[ember lance]

idk I only met him once at rims, i dont like stalk his schedule lol

[mighty pilot]

Sure he speaks like the most elegant japanese

[grim carbon]

Id wanna meet him somefay

Maybe after peeling back the layers of his eccentric genius we'll see that he's produced a masterpiece ahead of his time

Or maybe not

Damn i got y'alls quiet

I killed the chat

[old oak]

Isn't that what Joshi was trying to do?

[grim carbon]

Oh yeah him

Didnt Mochizuki dismiss him

And Accuse him of making a 9/11 joke

(or imply that he did that/

[vivid halo]

IUTT is crank work but most of his other work on anabelian geometry is some of the best in the area

Joshi's supposed fix to IUTT is also crank work

[last ruin]

SIGMA SIGMA BOY

[sick parrot]

what is the future tense for bus

[agile fiber]

in english the future tense is just "will (infinitive)"

[sharp mulch]

There are other ways as well

[sonic sentinel]

wtf

staff were bussin

[sonic sentinel]

those knows who bus: 💀💀💀

[sick parrot]

chat died

lmao

[solid cypress]

I think English grammar goes simple present, present continuous

present perfect

and the present perfect continuous

same thing with past

and future

[wraith shuttle]

Anyone know how in depth KA gets into calc1/2 and if it enough to pass uni level?

[tight bane]

Bro likes to enumerate things

[solid cypress]

what's enumerate ?

[tight bane]

Just invented the verb from Spanish tbh

Enumerate

Well it exists lol

[solid cypress]

okay.

[tight bane]

To list

Things

[solid cypress]

But it's English grammar

[tight bane]

Yea

[solid cypress]

Nice. I learned a new word today lol

enumerate

[tight bane]

It has something to do with numbers 😎

[upbeat heart]

[static loom]

I pretend namar is a verb in Spanish with past tense informal you conjugation of "namaste" lol

[ember lance]

@limber thunder I hope u get what I'm thinking about lol

[cinder zephyr]

fun word

lots of fun math around that as well (enumerative combinatorics)

basically problems of the form "list out all the objects satisfying some given property and study the relation to other objects"

[limber thunder]

lol

@devout nacelle am I an honorary indian

[flat cloud]

would a latin course be interesting/useful

/something I can consider over a course of an actually used language

[verbal karma]

yes

it is interesting. Will it be useful or not that is on you

[flat cloud]

i see i see

it wouldnt take the space of any other possible course, id just stay in college way longer than I should

[limber thunder]

yeah I'm not sure whether there's any utility beyond scholarly stuff (philosophy? and scripture ig) if you're into that

[verbal karma]

if you have to do anything with Latin name, says biology. then latin would help a lot

in medicine, you would see latin terms

[limber thunder]

yeah knowing the etymology of things is a good niche application lol

[verbal karma]

but probably not worth spending entire time learning grammar and such just for knowing what hyponatremia means

unless you are into Petersen graph then you might need latin to invoke something

[flat cloud]

my true motivation to learn latin

[true wedge]

You really don't have to learn Latin for that

[true wedge]

yes

[magic flame]

does anyone want to reivew some lessons on grade 11 func and some lesosns on grade 12 func with me on call 😼

[flat cloud]

id really suggest opening a help channel instead

[magic flame]

no like

[flat cloud]

some lurkers here are very weird and you wouldnt want to get in a call

[magic flame]

just teach the topics

to eachother

[magic flame]

😮

like i just wanna go over for like giggles and just review before i take grade 12 functions for real

aiming for a 100

[flat cloud]

I repeat the same

you can do the same studying over text

[quick bramble]

@paper fossil Sry for the absence as I had to go, but you definitely have a good style for writing rigorously :]
Regarding the y instead of y+1 aspect was that y had to be in N, which excludes 0 usually, but notation may differ in countries, I think common US/EU standard is N for natural and N_0 for N with 0

[paper fossil]

np thanks for the help <333

[idle notch]

You should ask these things on the study discord server! You can get tons of study buddies there

[magic flame]

okayy!!

[sage sundial]

@crystal rampart whats the derivative of e^x?

[fresh stone]

<@&268886789983436800>

[velvet dagger]

How did I get sniped by a second

[steel mantle]

heh

[crystal river]

Holy ahir

shit

have yall seen nvidia sto k

stock?

[lusty atlas]

it just went down from 150 usd to 124?

[crystal river]

Its going down more

The need for nvidias cpu’s have been

[lusty atlas]

do u knoe why it's related to deepseek?

[crystal river]

yk

[crystal river]

yes

[lusty atlas]

because they think training is gonna be reduced now?

[crystal river]

mhm

less costly and better

but bad for nvidia

and deepseeks owner is chinese

istg they are ruling the world

[lusty atlas]

think it'll continue down a lot?

[crystal river]

mhm

a less funded ai model can out perform a 10 billion costly ai

and this sofrware is going to grow

so eventually we might even make ai models ourselfes

if it becomes cheaper (the software)

[lusty atlas]

how accurate are those measurements?

[crystal river]

it is around 7 billion , chat gpt

but despseek is 5.5 million

[dusky owl]

American ai tech is a bubble and the chinese ai side project just popped it lol

[lusty atlas]

yeah that's true, but I think nvidia will deep any lower than 100 usd honestly

[crystal river]

it will become 70

istg

[lusty atlas]

I mean it's always been usually above it from the all time I'm seeing

[crystal river]

mark my words

[crystal river]

the demand is going to be low

all investors will sell

[lusty atlas]

I meant the performance measurements thsemvles

[crystal river]

oh deepseek’s free versipn is better than chat gpts O1

[lusty atlas]

but that's just 1 company isn't it? they might gatekeep it like opening does for a lot of their technology

[dusky owl]

Gatekeep?

[crystal river]

still, what is there to gatekeep

[dusky owl]

It's open sourced, right?

[crystal river]

they already know how they did iy

[crystal river]

yea

[lusty atlas]

100%? seems unlikely to ne

[crystal river]

no istg

[dusky owl]

Just search it up leywin

[crystal river]

ill send some proof

[lusty atlas]

they made an article?

[crystal river]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DFSwZKRTQP6/?igsh=d21sdGlybWRqbWV5

explains everything

[lusty atlas]

good comparison, but I'm not so sure about the general case

[crystal river]

a 5,5 millon ai model can outperform a 7 billion dollar ai model

[lusty atlas]

oh
https://github.com/deepseek-ai

[crystal river]

lol

yea open ai is busted

yesterday i said chat gpt will fail

[lusty atlas]

is this the entire project? no way right?

[crystal river]

bc of better tech

[crystal river]

yea istg

[lusty atlas]

what made the change here?

[crystal river]

chinese engineering lmfao

[lusty atlas]

I don't know much about ai yet

[crystal river]

idk look in the code

its so complex

[lusty atlas]

I'll try and see

but very impressive

I still don't think nvidia will go under 100

but we will see, I think you know a lot more

[crystal river]

alr my bet is nvidia will be like 70 ish

becouse they lost like 6billion

and the owner of chat gpt is getting surd

sued

[crystal river]

chat gpt

and ngl nvidia invested in open ai aswell so it might go down some more

idk we will see

[hardy iron]

This is false.

[crystal river]

how

[hardy iron]

See the benchmarks

[crystal river]

i did

[hardy iron]

R1 isn't better than o1

[crystal river]

how

[hardy iron]

#serious-discussion message

It's that simple.

It doesn't beat o1 in all benchmarks.

[crystal river]

still

it is better for a free version to almost be as same as a paid version of chatgpt

[hardy iron]

Yeah

[crystal river]

how much did nvidia spend on chat gpt

[hardy iron]

That's not public info

[crystal river]

aw

[brazen mulch]

guesstimate time

[calm pilot]

⚠️| Need help in statistics;

#help-25

[hardy iron]

!noadvert

[quasi jetty]

Please do not advertise your help channel or thread in other parts of the server. There are many people who need help, so advertising can quickly turn into spam.

[calm pilot]

Talk to me again and you’ll face this; 👊

[hardy iron]

Talk tuah me

[calm pilot]

I’ll find you, peasant.

[hardy iron]

Find on that thang

Futein crashout ahh

[limber wigeon]

Anyone here watch Ongezellig ?

[lavish kayak]

@empty stratus it's like going to a university just so you can get expelled

[true zinc]

<@&268886789983436800>

[limber thunder]

already dealt with (timed out)

but thanks

[true zinc]

oki

[sharp mulch]

@neat lintel

<@&268886789983436800>

[past iris]

facing a semicolon doesn't sound scary

[true zinc]

dude probs gets pinged multiple times a day from here just due to mispings at this point lmao

[empty stratus]

Nah, universities sometimes teach useful, meaningful things. 🙂

They give honorary doctorates. Why not give honorary fatwahs?

It’d be like Thanos acknowledging you as a nemesis.

I’d be honored if the Pope declared me an enemy of god.

That would put in the same category as the archangel Lucifer.

Which is pretty sweet.

[limber thunder]

lol

[empty stratus]

I mean, the Catholic Church still hasn’t excommunicated Hitler.

[limber thunder]

I guess

[limber thunder]

(idk which convo this ping is continuing)

[empty stratus]

The point is, them excommunicating me would be both a point of pride on my part and a badge of shame on theirs.

[empty stratus]

Mine, from discussy the first.

[limber thunder]

[empty stratus]

What better way to encapsulate the evil of organized religion than the fact that the church would consider an atheist more incompatible with their beliefs than the man who brought about both the Holocaust and the European half of WWII?

I rest my case. :3

We were talking about this yesterday. Spinoza's argument really is the most elegant.

God is everything. All things are fundamentally one.

Nature, god, existence, consciousness, matter, energy—they're all one and the same.

It's a term of reverence, yes. But the "meaninglessness" is actually the point.

Truth, by definition, is true. It is self-sufficient. In that regard, it is eternal.

We can't even properly define our own existence.

When, precisely, does a human being become a human being? It's all just matter being rearranged.

In this light, we should recognize the supreme gravity of what it means for something to be true.

While that might be fine for practical purposes, it does not make for a transcendental truth.

Truth cannot be found through a leap of faith.

Agreed.

In this case, the words are merely a vehicle for the underlying logical concept.

I will admit that I am making an assumption that logic is an inherently useful form of arriving at knowledge.

Though, if we reject that, then everything is just a matter of he-said she-said, which really isn't that interesting as a topic of intellectual discussion. :3

Anyhow, the whole point, I think, of Spinoza's argument is that "god is everything" really is the most that we can say about god on a purely logical basis.

Anything else, as he put it, would be "imagined, rather than understood".

It's our species' hubris to think that we ought to be able to (and, worse, that we deserve) to know the great fundamental truths of life, the universe, and everything.

[fresh oriole]

sounds like zen

"All the Buddhas and all sentient beings are nothing but the One Mind, beside which nothing exists. This Mind, which is without beginning, is unborn and indestructible. It is not green nor yellow, and has neither form nor appearance. It does not belong to the categories of things which exist or do not exist, nor can it be thought of in terms of new or old. It is neither long nor short, big nor small, for it transcends all limits, measures, names, traces and comparisons. It is that which you see before you -- begin to reason about it and you at once fall into error. It is like the boundless void which cannot be fathomed or measured. The One Mind alone is the Buddha, and there is no distinction between the Buddha and sentient beings, but that sentient beings are attached to forms and so seek eternally for Buddhahood. By their very seeking they lose it, for that is using the Buddha to seek for the Buddha and using mind to grasp Mind. Even though they do their utmost for a full aeon, they will not be able to attain it. They do not know that, if they put a stop to conceptual thought and forget their anxiety, the Buddha will appear before them, for this Mind is the Buddha and the Buddha is all living things. It is not the less for being manifested in ordinary beings, nor is it greater for being manifested in the Buddhas."

(Record of Huang Po)

you say The One Mind, I say the one substance of the Universe - let's call the whole thing off! 🎶

[empty stratus]

I was under the impression that Buddhism rejects the idea of any permanent consciousness, even a transcendental one.

I know that they reject the Hindu concept of atman (the transcendent unity of all consciousness).

[fresh oriole]

my very non-expert impression of things is you're right about that for more popular accounts of Buddhism, but zen was a pretty radical break from it in various ways

for instance they rejected the idea you could accrue karma through good deeds

and would say stuff like everyone is already enlightened (even you!)

I'm not sure if they thought this One Mind is a conscious entity itself. They'd probably smack me with a cane for asking

[lavish kayak]

What would be the positive consequence of this except your feel good about sticking it to the man

Well anyhow. I guess it's your side and their side and it's commendable you stick by your guns. Despite that, if you want to stand by the forces of good, consider the following: if religion is dumb and we have found a way past it, why is the majority of the world religious?

[empty stratus]

It would strengthen my sense of solidarity with all the others ruined by religion's wrath.

[empty stratus]

Because it's very difficult. To reject religion means to take a stand against one of our species' most basal instincts.

The way I see it, in the context of evolutionary psychology, human beings' religious impulse stems from the millions of years we and our biological ancestors (H. habilils, H. erectus, etc.) spent living in small tribes.

Tribal unity was critical for our long-term survival.

It provided the cooperation we needed to defend ourselves from predators and hunt for meat and forage for plantstuffs to eat.

The tribe provides the psychosocial fulfillment of our need to be a part of something bigger than ourselves.

In this respect, political partisanship can be seen as another aspect of the religious/tribal instinct. Instead of finding transcendent meaning in the supernatural, we find meaning in our political reality and the surrounding culture and ideology.

As I see it, religion comes about when the tribal instinct collides with our intelligence.

I think it is natural for living things to fear the unknown, because the unknown represents change and instability. Because we are capable of metacognition (thinking about the fact that we are thinking), not only do we have a fear of the unknown, we also have a cognizance of our own powerlessness against it.

We don't just grieve for our dead loved ones. We fear losing them. We fear our own deaths.

This creates what I like to think of as the intellectual side of religion: our desire to understand the world around us, so that we might gain greater control over it.

This same intellectual quest is also responsible for all scientific and technological advancement.

Where things get dangerous is when this quest for knowledge mixes with the tribal instinct.

At its heart, the quest for knowledge plays out at the level of the individual.

On the other hand, the tribal instinct acts at a group level. Most people aren't going to get a sense of a connection to something greater on their own. They're going to need to interface with some larger system (be it a subculture, or an ideology, or a faith) in order to find that sense of transcendent belonging.

I have no problem with individuals seeking out meaning in their lives. Honestly, that's part of the reason why I am so opposed to organized religion. In my opinion, an individual's beliefs about the nature of their existence and the ultimate meaning of life, the universe, and everything are too important to let others decide for them.

Organized religion is the tribal instinct taking one person's answers to the intellectual quest and imposing them on everyone else.

The same goes for political violence, or violence born of ethnic or racial nationalism.

These behaviors are so ingrained in us that it is truly difficult for most people to overcome them. Indeed, I'm guilty of the same. I'm definitely partisan when it comes to political beliefs.

I'm certain that the only reason I've been able to get as far as I have is because of my own neurodivergence (autism, etc.).

I don't blame other people for not having the strength, insight, and stubbornness needed to say no to our species' deepest instincts.

Rather, my vitriol is directed toward those who perpetuate the extant systems of oppression and use religion as a means to pursue glory and power.

If it were up to me, I'd make it so that no religions proselytize, and that children and young people are given a religiously neutral education. Membership in any form of organized religion or participation in the rites and ceremonies thereof would be reserved for grown adults, much like alcohol or a driver's license.

This would also mean that parents wouldn't inculcate any religious viewpoints in their children without their children's consent.

[true wedge]

Monologue for half an hour is impressive

[glass peak]

Logically you can’t really stop religious people proselytising because if you genuinely believe that following your tenets is the only way to salvation it’d really just be immoral to not try to save others

But yeah I’ve also really got no interest in joining the screaming into the void atheism chat, being on Reddit 10 years ago had enough of that for a life time

[empty stratus]

Oh no, I'm also a writer, in addition to being a mathematician. Also, also, I believe in giving thorough answers. :3

[empty stratus]

The issue isn't belief, but proof. Indeed, if you grant that beliefs and revelation are a valid way of determining truth, you can't discount other's revelations.

[wild lantern]

🅱️ theism

[celest ermine]

So quiet here

Anyone wanna friend me?

[pure obsidian]

im sorry... but there is something i ned to do

[narrow carbon]

What

[pure obsidian]

i need to brush my teeth

and go to sleep

[fresh comet]

[narrow carbon]

Hi fallen

[pure obsidian]

hi starry

[fresh comet]

hi Afzal, minh

[upbeat heart]

[lavish kayak]

What's base about it?

If you take it as a solely social desire, then what's so special about individualism? Is it so good?

It's clear organized religion has driven over not a few people in the past. It has also provided direction, clarity, and peace

You have said earlier you have never met an openly religious person not worthy of contempt. It just seems narrow minded

[empty stratus]

Oh no, I’m not a libertarian by any means. There are absolutely limits to individualism. A great example would be vaccine mandates, environmental protections, and the importance of wealth redistribution.

There are plenty of religious people I admire. Stephen Colbert, for instance. George MacDonald would be another. The Dalai Lama also seems pretty nice. CalTech’s Barry Simon found a way to make things work, too.

I was specifically referring to people that I have repeated, IRL interactions with. In my case, this consists primarily of one of my aunts and the people in her orbit, all of whom are Orthodox Jews, and not in a good way.

But, to the greater point, I think it’s important to distinguish between religions as institutions and the religious impulse as a fact of the human psyche. I’d say that the extent to which religious institutions contribute to social harmony at all is entirely due to their successful manipulation of the religious impulse. In that regard, it’s worth pointing out that you do not need traditional religion to achieve those same effects. Indeed, those same effects can arise in an entirely secular context. Do some reading on, for example, the furry community, or the Star Trek fandom, or any other intentional community. Groups of human beings working toward common goal will naturally establish standards and guidelines.

But you don’t need god for that. Religion is a very effective propaganda tool, but it is by no means the only one, or even the best one.

[empty stratus]

Aside from the civil liberties and freethought violations, one of my principal concerns with organized religion is that the nature of its topics and claims makes it inherently prone to radicalism, second only to politics

Fanatics are going to be with us till the end of time. That being the case, I’d rather have them arguing over whether Picard was a better captain than Kirk than over the nature of good and evil, or the ultimate purpose of human existence.

If fandoms had the benefits that came with multiple millennia of funding, defense, and support from the state, I have no doubt that they’d be doing things like providing community guidance, running soup kitchens, and caring for orphans.

[empty stratus]

I didn’t mean “basal” in the sense of being unsophisticated. Indeed, religion motivates some of our species’ most complex and nuanced behaviors. Rather, it engages us at a primal level. It speaks to our deepest needs: our desire for constancy and control in the face of a capricious universe, our desire for belonging and solidarity, our desire to preserve what is familiar, comforting, and valuable, our desire to conquer death, our desire to achieve an altered state of consciousness, and our desire to feel a sense of purpose and meaning in our lives.

religion is far from the only human activity to tap into our species’ primal desires: sex, rape, storytelling, art, racism, music, hazing, gatekeeping, oppressing those different from us, masturbation, intergenerational conflict, getting together with a bunch of people and drinking large quantities of alcohol, slaying dragons, language, divination—there are many.

This aspect of these things doesn’t make them inherently good or bad. Rather, it makes them wedded to our nature, a mere step away from the reality of our biology. This makes them deeply ingrained in us.

Some people can train themselves to a level of mental discipline where they can withstand immense amounts of pain, even to the point of staying awake through surgery without freaking out or passing out. That’s an example of overcoming a basal instinct through sheer willpower. Can it be done? Of course! But it’s by no means easy. Moreover, some people are just naturally better at it than others.

[midnight hound]

What is unc talking about 💀

Unc lost his damn mind vro

[eager minnow]

yappity yap

[empty stratus]

@lavish kayak Anyhow, let me just say thank you for the wonderful discussion so far!

[midnight hound]

I mean I agree with unc but damn could’ve summarized in like 5 sentences

[empty stratus]

Am I unc?

[pure hollow]

any number beyond 18 is unc category

[empty stratus]

?

[pure hollow]

hello CV

[empty stratus]

Hello

[pure hollow]

I was kidding

[neat lintel]

beyond 12 is unc

[pure hollow]

no

[neat lintel]

I don't make the rules

[pure hollow]

I do

[neat lintel]

❌

[last ruin]

12 is Drake's number

[neat lintel]

crazy

[hardy iron]

<@&268886789983436800>

[upbeat heart]

Bro do I hv to remember all trig identities

[last ruin]

No

You can derive most of them

From double angle and sin^2 + cos^2 = 1

[wanton bough]

2sinxcosx - 2cosxsinx = 0
2sinxcosx = 2sinxcosx
1=1.

Wait what

[last ruin]

?

[wanton bough]

Am I crazy or am I crazy

I definitely made a mistake somewhere

[last ruin]

Wdym

[wanton bough]

Why is there no dy/dx left

[last ruin]

What dy/dx

[wanton bough]

I did implicite derivation of the trig identity

[last ruin]

I don't think so?

[wanton bough]

I skipped the first part

[last ruin]

Show first part

[wanton bough]

d/dx (sin²x + cos²x) = d/dx (1)

There ain’t no dy/dx damn

Yeah no makes sense

There ain’t any y

Crazy you can differentiate and get no derivative

[upbeat heart]

Derive like using calculus? Or just basic logic proofing stuff?

Owh

[last ruin]

no calculus

just logic

like using the fact that sin/cos = tan

or 1/sin = cosec

[neat lintel]

There are 3 topics in my upcoming final math exam and the mr said there is a very hard 5 marks question
The topics are:

1. radius/perimeter/sector/triangle area cosine sin type shit
2. Trignometery of graphs (identities and inverse and donain and range type shit
3. Finally diameter, perpendicular bisector, circle diamter type shit

Which of these topics would DO U THINK hold the 5 marks question

[devout nacelle]

Yes

[limber thunder]

cool

[frank osprey]

In what way lol?

[limber thunder]

inside joke from another server

[lavish kayak]

Yes and therefore it is an immensely important endeavor

It's like... Saying violins are bad because you've only seen bad players

[proud ferry]

can anyone explain my sudden awakening in maths? I barely practiced any question the whole year my friends solved over 3 text books, but in a 3 hour exam, i managed to finish the paper in 1 hour and 50 minutes and my friends strugllled to finish '

fr

imagine studying for maths

i didnt even do that

i was watching anime before my exam

i will get around full marks

maths is genetics right

to some extent

ye

i dont understand why people struggle

like when i read the question i have already solved half of it

i did a little calculus this year

im 10th currently

will go to 11th

i can

but parents wont let me

they tell me to focus on my current grade's syllabus

like tf

i already know that bs

eh i wouldnt be able to do that much ig

you are a prodigy then

btw how do i change my pronouns

i took any

ppl would think that im trans

eh done

see

if you know something

its easy

if you dont

its difficult

ofc

who tf memorizes stuff without understanding

ik most ppl do

but they arent learning

i dont do that

cauz if i do

teachers wont give me marks

but sometimes yeah

i have to do it

when i forget fr

ur def a prodigy man

[lavish cradle]

meh

[proud ferry]

you should write the putnam exam

def

if you dont it would be a waste of talent

[sharp dove]

Yeah sure

[proud ferry]

........

ur wasting ur time on discord....

im telling you

you should already be a researcher

about what

[lavish cradle]

making formulae, finding patterns

[proud ferry]

like those algebraic geometry stuff?

taught in math 55

[lavish cradle]

yeah

[sharp dove]

I am an academic tutor, kindly inbox. We can research together and do a very nice work.

[coarse flint]

what 💀

i was scrolling through the convo and what the hell is all this

[proud ferry]

i was shocked fr

[coarse flint]

is bro flexing and jerking off to these random claims 💀

[proud ferry]

imagine finding a math prodigy out of the blue

[coarse flint]

I am too, its totally cocky and weird. Like who talks like that.

"Guys, I did calculus when I was in my mother's womb ☝️ 🤓 "

[fading shuttle]

Wait, how does one get the helpful role?

[vivid halo]

<@&268886789983436800>

[candid compass]

It's also in the other channels, too.

[vivid halo]

nuke them

thanky

[lapis hull]

Oop

Gotta call in the big guns

[limber thunder]

[neat lintel]

i gambled today and accidentally won

i won with 24X odds

[limber thunder]

lol nice

https://tenor.com/view/bugs-bunny-looney-tunes-cash-money-counting-money-gif-17544086

[burnt ledge]

R u sure u didnt mean to win

[limber thunder]

idk the only "gambling" games I like are poker variants

[neat lintel]

i made 600forints profit at the start then i was like f it lets toss it on 24X odds stuff and i won like almost 15k forints 😂

[neat lintel]

i dont do mainstream

i found my glitch in the matrix 😭

so roulette, poker, blackjack are out of the question

but u gonna laugh if i tell you what i gamble

[burnt ledge]

what is it

[neat lintel]

live fifa gameplay😭

[burnt ledge]

🔥

[neat lintel]

insane odds for some reason

[solid snow]

<@&268886789983436800>

[bright hill]

god you two are insufferable 😭

[sharp mulch]

<@&268886789983436800>

[solid snow]

i like tjat this ad doesnt even explain what blum is

[leaden torrent]

no i think it explains it pretty well

its a scam

[upbeat heart]

How about the double angle? Law of shit cos tan stuff

I constantly proofing the formula in my brain just to use it

That is hell

[bold citrus]

hey guys I want to start enjoying math as a subject, where do i begin?

[worthy widget]

U can try learning it non orderly, I did

[neat lintel]

Topology!

[umbral forge]

A rigorous treatment of sequences, properties of real numbers, limits, functional limits, continuity, differentiation for analysis. For algebra an overview of groups, rings, fields. divisibility of integers and polynomials, modular arithmetic

I think thats a good baseline for learning proof writing and having fundamentals for more math

Then probably point set topology

I would also say euclidean geometry is nice to do, it felt quite different in the method of proofs imo

[worthy widget]

How about u stick to freezing Ice cream fridge

[umbral forge]

my feelings are hurt

why would u do this

[verbal karma]

I agree that topology would open your world; coming from applied field, I found topology really interesting especially when you visualize the theorem and definition.

Calculus is also fun because a lot of people try to teach it to high school kids; hence a lot of engaging resources.

But into math math, try probability. Fun, a lot of plot twists, but fun

[worthy widget]

It's a joke lighten up

[umbral forge]

is that a threat

i will melt

[icy heron]

Probably the hardest calculation I've had to do in minesweeper (no guessing required!)

Solution:

[worthy widget]

U mean ur insides will melt

Sounds entertaining

[bold citrus]

@umbral forge @verbal karma what exactly is topology?

[vivid halo]

roughly speaking it is the study of shapes of spaces

particularly those properties which are preserved under continuous deformation

rather than more rigid properties that one would need additional geometric structure to talk about

people like to use phrases like "rubber sheet geometry" or whatever in the sense that in topology you can freely squish and bend things continuously just not break or tear them

[neat lintel]

L description

Topology is the study of continuous functions.

[vivid halo]

topology is the study of commutative C* algebras

[worthy widget]

Topology helps me untie my knots😁

[neat lintel]

(Algebraic) Topology is the study of $\infty$-groupoids!

[fathom swallow]

NAT Enthusiast

[sudden raven]

I want to understand what real analysis really is(no pun intended) but my math only goes as far as precalculus. As far as i understand it, you "prove stuff" more so than solve for variables and such. But im not so sure i really know what that means

Are there any resources or simple problems that teach more or less the essence of real analysis at a low level so that even layman like me can understand the basics of it?

Or is it just not realistic for a person like me to understand such things yet?

[verbal karma]

one way to get into it is to study probability lol.

[sudden raven]

How so?

[empty stratus]

This is where empiricism comes into play. As Einstein once put it, insanity is doing the same thing over and over again while expecting a different result.

With the exception of a few groups here and there (Universalist Unitarians, Jains, etc.), the vast majority of the world's major organized religions have left trails of cruelty and devastation that, in the eyes of any reasonable soul, ought to forever condemn them to the dungheap of history. I'm not saying they didn't bring about good things; I'm saying that they're simply not worth the cost, especially not when better alternatives exist. I would be heavily in favor of liquidating the assets of all extant organized religions and distributing them to the people as restitution for damages done. Let them succeed on the strength of their ideas, not on the politics of power.

Case in point: "Saint" Stephen of Hungary (the patron "saint" of that country, no less!) was a monster, through and through. He forcibly converted his people to Christianity on pain of death, and then cut out their tongues afterward to ensure that they could not retract their conversions. He burned down communities and slaughtered innocents by the thousands, for no reason but a matter of their personal beliefs.

For me, it is this failure to repent of their sins and make amends for the harm they caused that damns today's organized religions more than anything else. Any organization that elevates orthodoxy, obedience, and tradition above kindness and charity ought to be anathema.

If I knew they were willing to put kindness over doctrine, I'd be willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. But they aren't, so I don't.

As the saying goes: you have to want to change.

[neat lintel]

For example:an exercise in real analysis(might be too simple for an actual exercise in a book) might be “prove all continuous functions from the real line to the set {0, 1} are constant”

[fresh oriole]

Prove that if a > 0 is a real number, there exists b > 0 with b^2 = a

the joy of analysis

[neon garnet]

The first concentration camps in Germany were set up as detention centres for so-called ‘enemies of the state’ [1]
Trump announces 30k immigrants will be sent to Guantanamo. (embed)
with new transportation pipelines rising. [2]
Google now classifies the USA as a sensitive nation. [3]
The UK now requires visas for even passage of USA citizens through. How to apply.
Who will be viewed as enemies of the state? [4]

[neon garnet]

On the transportation pipelines:
https://investors.geogroup.com/news-releases/news-release-details/geo-group-announces-70-million-investment-expanding-ice-services

GEO is the largest service provider to ice
[seeking a capacity to detain a] minimum of 100,000 migrants
with expansion in the remote regions like the desert from trump's last presidency, and meaningful pipeline expansion. The USA near leads in plane manufacturing.

I'm a woc. Is anyone securing exit strategies ?

The constitution is still down! [5] [6]

[flat cloud]

you fail to consider a lot of people simply dont care enough to study that much

and if they did, many of them would be at that level too

its cool youre learning math early, and are apparently good at it

but it doesnt say anything about you other than you like math lol

[frigid brook]

whoops, not the channel for jokes

[coarse bridge]

It is if it’s a good joke

[bright hill]

do you have to be boastful in every breath you take? 😭

[coarse bridge]

LMFAO

[bright hill]

if you mean whether I know what it feels like to be forced to take classes you're overqualified for then uhm

yes

[coarse bridge]

It’s not js that though blud’s glazing himself like crazy in every message

😭

[woven bay]

Holy freakin epic... 😳

[wooden wasp]

@lavish cradle bro u def named Oskar Hahn, and going to Mhs

[brittle socket]

Hi BarBarBar, how are you?

I'm going back to slavery tmr

[novel patio]

Hello everyone, first-year engineering student here. I have a question for you guys, have anyone of you been in a situation where you find it hard to keep up with the lectures? right now we are studying linear algebra and i find it really hard to keep upp with solving problems before class and i often have to put alot of time in to sometimes not even keep up. its getting to the point where i sacrifice eating healty and exercising to just keep up with the class.

And for those who say "just do more problems" doesn't really help because the bottleneck is how fast im able to solve it. I dont know what is causing this, its a total mystery for me.

It could be something with "math confidence" where i often second guess my self, because i've always had a very bad confidence in my math skills

i also find it very frustrating how the people i talk with can complete the problems so quickly compared to me, which enables them to have other things going on in life than just math like exercising and eating healty

[half kayak]

Ur in college? Tip: never study alone. It’s not likely you’ll find yourself in a campus full of smart young people your age all together, so make the most of your 3 years left there. I’m talking study buddies, study groups, and always doing homework during office hours

[vocal zenith]

Trying to study in college alone is even more of a challenge

[novel patio]

Yes i go to uni, we have a weekly study session where we solve old exam problems but it quite often results in one person solving the problem and communicating poorly on what they are doing, but do you have any tips on how to study alone, like sometimes i dont know if im completly honest with my self when solving problems, do i take the time to understand what im doing or am i just kinda solving it looking at a method on how to solve it

[fresh oriole]

I had to drop more than one math class in undergrad and grad school because I couldn’t keep up with them. I think it’s pretty common

[north topaz]

not worth going through the pits of hell just to graduate

[fresh oriole]

I dropped my first attempt at point set topology as an undergrad. It was a real disappointment. I was all excited for donuts and coffee mugs flying around in space, and then got this dump of dry set theory. Got lost within a few weeks and decided to try again next year. Then it all made a lot more sense

in grad school on a whim I tried taking a homological algebra course without having enough background, new from the first problem set I couldn’t hang and dropped it

[neat lintel]

me refeence

[raven plaza]

Topology needs a revamp

[neat lintel]

when is topology 2.0 dropping

[fresh comet]

when I can reinvent the field

[neat lintel]

woo

im patiently waiting then

[brittle socket]

but can you reinvent the ring?

I heard it has been destroyed at some volcano

[neon garnet]

i like this reply chain. same question. [[1]](#discussion message)

good luck!! ☺️

[pure hollow]

we can we can also reinvent the group

[neon garnet]

https://youtu.be/Ccwk8qvp14U

8:00 [Immigrants] are called "enemies from within," ... These are terms that summon war powers.

With facism relying on enemies, how do immigrants differ from scapegoats?

18:53 Xenophobia and ethnic cleansing are often central tenants of facist regimes.

15:15 As for immigrants everywhere, with the expanding power of ICE and increased raids, anyone who's an immigrant, whether or not they're here legally, and anyone who's a US citizen but looks brown, is up for grabs. ()

17:49 The Trump Administration is threatening to turn all immigrants into criminals by setting them up to be criminals by failing to register.
Familiar....
18:53 (🌟) It is very dangerous -- To tie whether someone has documentation on them at any given moment to their rights to freedom of movement and of life and liberty, and it is being used as a proxy to target people based on the color of their skin. It will lead to widespread racial profiling.

20:00) seek mutual aids and know your rights. 21:37 covers rights

25:50 Follow sources of verified ice spottings and raids. e.g. ressurrection project immigrant justice

26:10 more empowerment

BBC, Washington Post, NPR, CNN (❔), AIC, Politico,

[[1]](#serious-discussion message) [[2]](#serious-discussion message) [[3]](#serious-discussion message) [[4]](#serious-discussion message)

[flat cloud]

my fault, you invented yourself the concept of partial derivatives 🙄

just dont be rude to people who arent as good at math or dont know as much as you

[solid snow]

they are almost 95% waffling

ive never met anyone who actually studies these things talk about it like this

[flat cloud]

theyre a 10th grader so i believe it

[neon garnet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1300830238586044428/1326982683108048938/calm_4_6.gif

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1300830238586044428/1326977882806943777/9g5fzf.gif

[cinder zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/practice-this-exercise-cheems-dog-gif-24879295

[neon garnet]

https://help.welltory.com/en/articles/3973614-long-exhale-for-parasympathetic-nervous-system-activation

We recommend this practice when ... you’re under a lot of stress and need some relaxation to think properly and make decisions.

breathe in and out slowly, gradually extending your exhale until it gets twice as long as your inhale.

https://www.mindful.org/practice-the-power-of-the-long-exhale/

[wooden falcon]

topology 2.0 is pointless

[wooden falcon]

yes and measure theory is the study of commutative W* algebras

[neat lintel]

lies

maths 2.0 dropping soon

watch

[wooden falcon]

|| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pointless_topology||

[neat lintel]

ah-

HAHAHA

[proud ferry]

where is the quantum mechanics robotics guy

i frgt his name too

bro left :(

[neat lintel]

guys how to take admission in caltech?

[signal mural]

@gilded roost hi

[gilded roost]

yo

[narrow carbon]

so true lol

like whatever exercise i am looking related with LA wanna do that

but its something else that it isn't possible always

[signal mural]

just found this server. god

helping people solve math problems is like crack to me

[candid compass]

You were really helpful, too.

[signal mural]

is there a tears of joy emoji in here

close enough

oh my god there's a chair emoji

fiona?

oh one of the regulars. makes sense

[neat lintel]

welcome

[signal mural]

helaur

[fresh comet]

heya, welcome to mathcord!

[neat lintel]

Fr! We should go back to the pre-algebraic days and invent new invariants unrelated to homotopy and also do more dimension theory 🔥

[bold citrus]

any reccomended resources to start getting into Topology?

like is there Topology for nerds or stuff like that or do I need to come armed with a bunch of theorems and concepts beforehand?

[fresh oriole]

what would "Topology for nerds" be?

[bold citrus]

exactly what it says, like a introduction to topology for "beginners" that slowly builds up.

ohj Wait

i meant topology for dummies***

idk why i remembered it as nerds

[fresh oriole]

I don't get how "for nerds" would mean that. But of course, there are topology books for beginners

ah, okay

[eager minnow]

I also remembered it as that!

[fresh oriole]

pretty much all topology books assume the reader has some basic familiarity with the concept of a continuous function and some facts about them from calculus

and understanding of things like open and closed intervals in the real line

but you don't need much more than that and ability to follow proofs

Crossley - Essential Topology is a nice gentle undergrad intro book

[bold citrus]

gotcha. any other resources you would reccomend?

and what projects can i do with topology to be more hands on and keep myself interested and engaged?

[fresh oriole]

You can get some play-doh and a marker and draw triangulations on some blobs with holes in them, compute their cellular homology and see it's a topological invariant

[neat lintel]

Munkres

Alternatively, T&G by Ronald Brown.

[neat lintel]

This is based

[fresh oriole]

if you draw some points on your blob of play-doh (say a spheroid or torus), and then draw continuous curves connecting them up, the blob will be covered by curvy "triangles". In 3D modeling they do this but with zillions of actually straight triangles, to approximate a smooth surface

then you can go over your blob and calculate V - E + F

where V is the number of points (vertices) you drew, E is the number of curvy edges connecting them, and F is the number of interior faces bounded by those edges

this is called the Euler characteristic

and you'll find for the spheroid you always get a certain number no matter how you drew the triangulation

and for the torus you always get a different number

the Euler characteristic is related to a more complex thing called cellular homology

or homology in general

which has to do with telling spaces apart based on the presence of "holes" of various dimensions in them

[eager minnow]

we touched on this in class a few weeks ago

forgot in what context :(

[fresh oriole]

this is algebraic topology btw. It's hard to make point set topology interesting and hands on. You have to go through a lot of pretty dry exercises of basically set theory - working a lot with unions and intersections

Bray, Butscher, Rubinstein-Salzedo - Algebraic Topology is a great undergrad text

I got the play-doh and markers idea from Simon

[bold citrus]

well any computer or hardware based projects?

[fleet dagger]

https://youtube.com/@citytutoring?si=cbNt9jqG_2UUl7Xj

this dude is so funny 😭

[neat lintel]

are you just a really lost bot?

aww

thats sad

no one is buying whatever course you‘re selling tho

[slender pine]

That's such a

🐴

[upbeat heart]

Goofy ah

[neon garnet]

hi Ayova!!
welcome to mathcord!! we're so glad to see you here!!

[fresh comet]

hi! welcome to mathcord!

we’re excited to meet you too! enjoy your stay!

[neon garnet]

great work on your business and school!! that sounds inspirational and challenging to me. i'm glad to share this space with you.

hope you have a lovely time here!!

[neon garnet]

what kind of math do you like? just curious

i love calculus too!!

i feel curious about the intersection of calculus and financial optimization.
-b/(2a)

what about calculus do you like?

that's fun! i love critical points ✨

[bright hill]

@fresh comet how was your multivariable analysis class btw?

having any fun?

last time you said you were doing the concrete version of manifolds?

[fresh comet]

still ongoing, finding it okay

we’re onto forms in a couple of days

uhh, we just finished proving the change of variables theorem

[north pivot]

All fun until you have to proof if a function has a critical point with Bolzano theorem

[narrow reef]

Hi

[clear fox]

hi

[bright hill]

cool