serious-discussion

[latent edge]

yep

[outer spindle]

rip for cs majors

wanting to go to theoretical cs

definitely a more steep

transition

[latent edge]

unless u are cracked in math or happen to be really interested in math as a cs major then yeah

[limber thunder]

yeah I'm not sure what the transition would be for CS majors in that case

since most CS degrees are focused in getting you ready for software dev positions anyway

[outer spindle]

the former definitely isnt the case

[limber thunder]

hard to network with people doing research ig

[outer spindle]

for me

i guess masters

in theoretical cs

there are such programs

in europe

[latent edge]

lol the degree here does anything but this

it helps to get you into research

[outer spindle]

man where are you studying cs

[limber thunder]

lol

[latent edge]

at least the honours/general one

[outer spindle]

i need to get into that cs program

[latent edge]

there is an applied computing program which is what you described but the only downside to this is you will not get into a grad program in the future if you wanted

there is also a software dev specialization (which in disguise just taking overload over overload of courses until you burnout like a fried chicken)

[outer spindle]

i guess they are preparing you to be a wageslave

[limber thunder]

lowkey wish I was a wageslave instead of a neet with a masters degree (I'd have a wage)

[gusty socket]

a what

[limber thunder]

a neet

a literal neet

[gusty socket]

a what

[latent edge]

niito

[outer spindle]

not in education employment

training

neet for short

[limber thunder]

actually I'm just taking a gap year while learning stuff and slowly working on some projects tho

[gusty socket]

oic

[outer spindle]

thats cool

at least ur doing stuff

especially being self paced n stuff

[limber thunder]

yeah this is v cool

[latent edge]

im trying to make a project euler-like website as my new project

[limber thunder]

nice, like successive challenges

[latent edge]

yeah

still have not decided what kind of UI design I should go with

I already figured out all the backend stuff

[outer spindle]

just dont have one

let it operate in the terminal

[limber thunder]

client interacts with the website purely through GET requests in the browser console

:sotrue

[latent edge]

so real

i prev made a job hunting application as my project

it went really well

and it was massively motivated by my job hunting PTSD

I guess with great PTSD you can create nice stuff

[outer spindle]

or shut down

[latent edge]

so real

[limber thunder]

oh I kinda have one project in mind that's like this

basically some kind of canvas app to make specific TikZ diagrams in browser

particularly euclidean geo

[latent edge]

I would say my project is done (if you ignore the awful UI)

[limber thunder]

(I've spent literal hours doing these for another job and I'm stubbornly refusing to just use inkscape instead)

[limber thunder]

backend devs doing ui.jpg

[latent edge]

so real

me convincing myself that frontend dev is the way to go

slowly gets interested in backend

[outer spindle]

im ngl that doesnt seem appealing

at first thought backend seems more interesting

although to be fair

i dont know much

about frontend

[tawdry pecan]

im so bad at frontend design

CSS kills me

[latent edge]

idk I thought frontend was cool and backend is just boring stuff (it was the opposite)

[limber thunder]

the other day I read a post in Threads that was like, this front/end distinction is so stupid and people 10 or 15 years ago were expected to just know how to create a web app

[tawdry pecan]

bruh LOL

[limber thunder]

obviously it's a natural consequence of scale and specialization, and some things in UI are best left to actual designers

but still the distinction feels kind of dumb and imo people shouldn't especialize early in this sort of stuff

[latent edge]

yeah no matter how good u are in ui design, the average ui designer will just be more productive overall and have better results

[tawdry pecan]

well specialization increases standards too

so back then frontends were probably not as great by today's standards

[limber thunder]

true

not as great, not as staggeringly complex

[latent edge]

nowadays everyone wants to be a fullstack dev bro

[limber thunder]

well most people just need fullstack devs

if I had to guess only big corps can afford specialized back/front peoples

[outer spindle]

web dev has the most jobs iirc

[tawdry pecan]

not as much deadweight either, no reason for a webpage to be 25MB

[limber thunder]

omg

true though some of these component libraries do be bloated

[latent edge]

"im fullstack dev"

npm i
100000000 node modules get installed to write a basic app that says hello world
"this is very web scalable"

[latent edge]

average react application

[tawdry pecan]

LMAO fr

proton shit too

[latent edge]

u mean electron

[tawdry pecan]

ah yeah

[latent edge]

yeah electron is

[tawdry pecan]

i dont work with this stuff when i dont have to mb 😭

[latent edge]

afaik discord is built from electron

[tawdry pecan]

i think so yea

[latent edge]

rewrite in rust fr

[tawdry pecan]

LOL

[limber thunder]

"noooo you gotta build to scale "
meanwhile some startup: heh. nothin personnerl kid *uses google fucking sheets as a database* https://www.levels.fyi/blog/scaling-to-millions-with-google-sheets.html

[short moon]

Hello

If I got 5800 every 42 seconds how long until I get to 5m if I’m at 1215438?

[limber thunder]

,calc ((5000000-1215438)/5800)*42

[fathom swallow]

Result:

27405.448965517

[limber thunder]

that, in seconds

I guess you can then work out how many days, hours etc. that is

[ionic star]

below 8 hours

[pale river]

Why do some mathematicians include 0 in the set of natural numbers guys?

[surreal sapphire]

because its more convenient

[sharp cave]

Because 0 is natural

[gusty socket]

because they like to say true things

[peak tide]

"testing, 0, 1, 2" - donald knuth at a microphone, supposedly

[latent edge]

To include or to not include. That's the question

[pale river]

Yes

[gaunt rampart]

i thought the naturals dont include 0?

i got chewed out once by a professor for including it once

[limber thunder]

in some math traditions it is included

(like france's maybe)

[gaunt rampart]

oh is this like starting the fib sequence from 0 cause its easier sort of deal

[limber thunder]

that sort of stuff yeah

more generally I could think of it being useful to describe sequences that start at a "0-th step" or an initial "time" of 0

idk if this is the actual historical reason there's probably some math stackexchange about it

[short summit]

ive always considered it natural and even also xd

[limber thunder]

well, it is even

[gaunt rampart]

i think 0 even would get me crucified by my lecturer

wait it is even the hell

[icy locust]

Wdym, zero exists??????

(oops didn't mean to ping with a shitpost :/)

[burnt ledge]

0 is uncontroversially even

[icy locust]

I don't recall anyone arguing about parity of 0

[gaunt rampart]

no just me being dumb

[surreal sapphire]

historically numbers represent lengths, which makes zero a bit weird

but today this isn't an issue anymore

just do what suits you

[icy locust]

like becoming a finitist??

[surreal sapphire]

?

[limber thunder]

I mean if that suits you

[icy locust]

I mean, rejecting existence of 0 sounds as dumb as rejecting \infty to me

(I'm not necessarily talking about surreal numbers to be clear)

[surreal sapphire]

what a weird comparison considering that 0 is a number and infinity is not

[old oak]

How about ω?

[icy locust]

you have a point

hmm

are ordinals numbers?

[sharp cave]

For notational convenience, I feel like N should always have 0 as Z_+ is an immediately clear notation for positive numbers. (atleast in analysis)

[brazen mulch]

today's lesson: talking about infinity, we must have infinities

[raven plaza]

I stand by $\mathbb{Z}_{>-1}$ and $\omega+1$

[fathom swallow]

Arki

[feral kraken]

I was going through Spivak's exercises and one of the q was this:
Ax: (x \in [0, 1]) => (f'(x) >= M > 0). Prove that 4|f| >= M in an interval the length of which is 1/4

Wonder if this applies to all n

[half wolf]

What are the safest methods to prevent having a bowel movement during university hours? I would appreciate some tricks, even if they are extreme measures, as I want to be able to go throughout the whole uni day without worries anymore. (This is not satire)

[queen zenith]

Hey guys, I have a serious question. My mind is set on a bsc with mathematics (3 year study) but it seems like the chatgpt math tool can answer any and all questions about math, including some math Olympiad questions which I can't solve. So what's the point of studying math if an AI tool (which is constantly improving) can do everything better than me?

[small dust]

what makes you think chatgpt can do that lol

i would not be surprised if chatgpt can sometimes give a reasonable answer to an olympiad question that already has a solution on the internet available

it's unlikely to come up with anything insightful for nontrivial questions where that isn't the case though

[strong gorge]

[queen zenith]

It just seemed quite "intelligent" to me when I asked it olympiad questions

I would be really glad if it is incapable of solving more advanced, nontrivial questions

[limber thunder]

LLMs are really good at faking intelligence, since they're mostly engineered to churn out text that seems convincing to humans

however a lot of times they have a hard time following logical instructions and a lot of current research is going into that

[queen zenith]

So are you saying that it generally wouldn't be able to solve an original, difficult problem of university levep for example

[limber thunder]

as a former uni prof I've done that sort of experiment + asking it to generate question sheets etc

output was was always mostly nonsense

[queen zenith]

And do you think it might gain that ability in the next ±20 years?

[limber thunder]

20 years is plenty, hard to predict how tech will go in that long

[small dust]

last time i tested chatgpt's math knowledge (which was within the last few weeks) i asked it some group theory questions that were pretty simple but specific in ways that i knew would not make them not questions that have been asked and answered online before, and it confidently gave nonsense answers

[queen zenith]

That's really interesting

[limber thunder]

but surely some of the very large models might get there with advanced math questions. Even then I think we'll still need math, engineering etc. majors to determine who's asking the right or relevant questions

helps to be aware of these technologies, learn their potential but also their limitations, and then incorporate them in your workflow accordingly

[queen zenith]

Wow, I'm really glad to hear that 😄

[limber thunder]

currently I only use Claude for copywriting and to help me write e-mails or blogposts lol

[queen zenith]

So do you think I can safely go into this direction with relative job security...

[queen zenith]

Oh😂

[limber thunder]

might seem like generic advice but: learn math and learn to code

having multiple skills is always good

[queen zenith]

Great, I love coding (and playing music)
I'm also considering taking psychology along with maths, I think that could be an interesting choice

[limber thunder]

and maybe to that add don't fear fiddling with AI but be aware that its outputs aren't always logically sound or correct, and that current models are best suited for writing

[limber thunder]

oh psychology is cool too, I haven't read any of it since freshman year though

and that was 2016 😵‍💫

if we're talking merely in job market terms I'm sure the amount of competent math/stats people who also can reasonably implement psychometric models for instance, is near zero

[queen zenith]

Yeah that seems to be a complicated, yet interesting subject

[limber thunder]

just an idea lol

[limber thunder]

there's so many paradigms currently I don't really have track of them

this is your first msg how can we be sure this isn't an ad

[queen zenith]

😂ok
I heard that the person who set up my aptitude test was a great psychologist and mathematician, and apparently most of the great psychologists were also big mathematicians

[scarlet fox]

this isn't an ad, it's a wonderful channel I found. I just thought I would share it to you guys

[limber thunder]

oh interesting I didn't know that sort of intersection

[scarlet fox]

it'll make you better at calculus

[limber thunder]

yeah right you spammed this in like 3 channels by now. timed out

[queen zenith]

Good moderator👏

But thanks for the advice, this really takes a lot if worry off my soldiers, and I look forward to where I'll end up one day

[limber thunder]

best of luck with your career then I think learning more than one thing is generally good advice to keep in mind

[neat lintel]

https://youtu.be/EjdwSKGDEWM?si=vCAVE2GlxH3L1x_P

[gritty crater]

Is pound (lb) a unit of mass or force? Or it is used for both?

[rocky shuttle]

both

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound_(mass)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound_(force)

usually lb is used for the unit of mass ig

[gritty crater]

This link says lbf is the symbol for pound-force but I swear I have seen lb is used for force due to gravity

[rocky shuttle]

well, then that's unusual

[noble pond]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slug_(unit)

[agile fiber]

sometimes people use lbf to distinguish pound force, but sometimes lb denotes force. it's bit ambiguous (but the distinction rarely matters!)

since the weight of a pound mass is a pound force

[gritty crater]

Is this true even when we stand on a different gravitational field like the Sun

[agile fiber]

the weight on earth* of a pound mass is a pound force

but uscs units aren't used in space programs anyway

[neon garnet]

#1213610885277421588 message Can you solve this with it?

[barren anchor]

yeah what's important about knowing what a pound is

I'm working with measures a lot lately and man we really do seem to have it figured out

measures being different than units but sort of related

[next wyvern]

What do you think of this, this method for integrals?
geometriadominicana.blogspot.com/2024/03/integration-using-some-euler-like.html?m=1
Find the blog

[hollow ginkgo]

at sea level*

[agile fiber]

even at the top of mount everest there's only a 0.3% discrepancy so it's not a huge distinction

[wicked oriole]

I remember reading somewhere that the difference on the poles is rather noticeable

[agile fiber]

there is roughly an 0.5% discrepancy between equators and poles, standard gravity is between them so a maximum discrepancy of 0.25% either direction

[wicked oriole]

Interesting

[earnest dove]

what are the pro of learning LaTex

[ocean harbor]

Check pinned messages in #latex-help

[vivid halo]

it is literally the standard way in which mathematicians communicate in writing

it's not strictly necessary but people will think you are weird or at least not a mathematician if you don't use it

a lot of people in physics use microsoft word instead of latex and this is really painful to read and write mathematics with

[earnest dove]

So humans in physics are weird

[odd ledge]

does anyone know easier/faster way to find LCM

[surreal sapphire]

easier/faster than what

[ionic star]

the easy way is to look at multiples of the larger number

e.g. lcm 8,12
12,24,36,48

24 is the first one that can be divided by 8

so lcm 8,12 is 24

[north topaz]

if you have the prime factorisation this really helps

[pure hollow]

shm lcm is just the productof max of the powers of the prime numbers

[dapper juniper]

hii

[thin mauve]

i have hcf and lcm for hw for some reason

[thin mauve]

i have stuck to the division method my entire life

[static loom]

calculate the gcd with the euclidean algorithm fast, then use the fact that gcd(a,b)lcm(a,b)=ab to get lcm(a,b)=ab/gcd(a,b)

[raven plaza]

Euclidean algorithm ages like fine wine

[cinder zephyr]

a mentor of mine wrote a cool paper on the complexity of computing GCDs of polynomials

gotta dig into that paper and his talk

[pulsar pagoda]

[lapis hull]

lol

[coarse bridge]

lmao

fuck

[lapis hull]

Muted them already

[maiden steeple]

chat online?

[visual breach]

No, no one is online in this cursed timezone

[young quartz]

link?

[old oak]

<@&268886789983436800>

[solid yarrow]

Outsider here to save the day :3

[old oak]

If only it was always this easy

[solid yarrow]

True.

[pale cave]

#chill message

[cinder zephyr]

https://arxiv.org/abs/2404.10839

[vivid halo]

god why would you typeset it like that

[cinder zephyr]

wdym 😭

I guess the spacing is overkill

[true zinc]

what in god's name....

ew

[pure hollow]

what is this...

[burnt ledge]

how would u do it

[vivid halo]

Not like that

[burnt ledge]

what would be different

inb4 goodness coefficieny

[visual breach]

I don’t see a problem

[pure hollow]

thats because your notes look even worse

[cinder zephyr]

I mean like

there aren't much better ways to do it

[vivid halo]

you can certainly make it more consistent though

[cinder zephyr]

sure

[vivid halo]

here give me a second I'll make it better

[lapis hull]

Idk wtf you're on, this is beautiful

[cinder zephyr]

you can make it more symmetric

[lapis hull]

Though tbh it really isn't that bad...

[vivid halo]

it is pretty bad

[cinder zephyr]

I support the many \vdots to make it more square though

[lapis hull]

Though I don't see why g1 is written but f1 is not

[cinder zephyr]

^ that's my only complaint

but like

minor issue

I wouldn't say "pretty bad"

[vivid halo]

nah it's a mess use your eyes

[cinder zephyr]

I am but I fear I may be blind

[vivid halo]

not going to go through the effort of typing this (which is probably the excuse these people used to not fix it) but you could do something like this

you can always add a few more entries if you want to disambiguate the indexing more

but you can certainly make things way more symmetric and consistent

I think what bothers me so much is that they don't seem to have any actual reason for putting certain vdots and ddots in various places

or putting various other entries

I am reminded of the typesetting in another paper

[lapis hull]

Yeah this is better lol
Though it shouldn't be too hard to typeset

[vivid halo]

yeah it's not hard I'm just lazy

[lapis hull]

Very valid!

[lapis hull]

Wtf is the logic here

[vivid halo]

hmm this is complicated enough that it's slightly easier to draw out first instead of trying to keep all the spacing in my head
draws it out
oh well I guess I can just screenshot it

[cinder zephyr]

why not just write diag(t_1, ..., t_2g)

[vivid halo]

yeah

[lapis hull]

There are so many issues with this

[vivid halo]

it's kind of an incredible piece of typesetting

like you stare at it and try to identify a single rule that would lead to typesetting like this, and you just can't

[icy locust]

Isn't it just misaligned or uneven hbox

[vivid halo]

no it's way worse than this

[jagged forge]

the two things that look weird to me are the giant ( next to the { and the lack of space between | and t_i

i'm not sure if it would look better if the {} were blown up though lmao

oh also the 0s....

tf

[vivid halo]

this is in the final published version by the way

the editors were like "yes good"

[lapis hull]

But also what's the reason to not just write t1...t2g

[vivid halo]

I do NOT KNOW

[lapis hull]

This is the worst thing I have ever seen

[icy locust]

ACCEPTED

[vivid halo]

lmao in Morel's Shimura varieties book

[lapis hull]

Btw did you look back for this just now, or do you have a saved screenshot of this

[vivid halo]

you can see how overfull the hbox is

in the published version this shit gets broken into two lines

[vivid halo]

I take a new screenshot every time I post this, I always have this paper handy

[lapis hull]

After seeing the other thing, this is beautiful

[jagged forge]

i was wondering what those lines were for a sec

[lapis hull]

Is the paper good at least?

[vivid halo]

god why did they need so much vertical space for this

they are all diagonal

[lapis hull]

LOL

[vivid halo]

[old oak]

Love the huge braces

[vivid halo]

ahh yes good old \BIGGGGGG

[jagged forge]

well we saw what it looks like without big braces earlier

[vivid halo]

the one with the really bad matrix?

no it's awful

[lapis hull]

Yeah

Oh

LOL

[vivid halo]

well like

I learned a ton from it and my thesis was kind of meant to prove a more general result than the one in this paper

the paper doesn't actually prove the result though

it does the two easiest cases in detail (which are good, and I learned a ton from these)

but then the hardest most fucked up case it's just like

"this is a tedious computation, here is the answer"

[lapis hull]

Lmfao

Based

[vivid halo]

lol said author kinda gave me a hard time for not doing certain details in my thesis as well as I could have

but it's like

he doesn't prove it either

so he has a non-proof of a result, and I have a non-proof of a more general result

lmao my advisor was giving me such a hard time for not completely proving this thing and at some point he was like

well how does Harder prove it in the level 1 case?

and I'm like oh he doesnt

and my advisor is like oh lmao

ugh I know how the details go but it's so fucking bad to write out

so like I can do this proof in complete generality for maximal parabolic subgroups

and this case is fucked up because it's not a maximal parabolic

I emailed Harder being like yooo pls tell me the details of this computation

[vernal token]

Lmao I typed out way worse just for submitting homework

[vivid halo]

and so he sketches it out for SL_2 for simplicity instead of for Sp_4

and i'm like yeah yeah I know how to do it for SL_2 it's a maximal parabolic, how do you do it for Sp_4 though

and he's like "oh it's similar"

fuck sake

[vernal token]

Ok this is bad haha

[proper zenith]

guys pls give me courses to linear algebra calculus and probability to go deeper in AI i need courses pls i want u to guide me because i foudn out that if i am not guided with a real organised program i cannot advance and the advancement part will take lot of time so pls help me i am sure you are experiemented

[jagged forge]

no crossposting plz

[cinder zephyr]

@vivid halo ok speaking of typesetting

currently reading a paper

footnote starts with 1 sentence on one page

rest of footnote (which includes a picture!) continues onto next page

https://eccc.weizmann.ac.il/report/2021/081/revision/1/download/

pages 16 and 17

[lapis hull]

inline picture is cursed

but continuing a footnote is not so terrible, is it?

[cinder zephyr]

but like

just put the whole footnote in one place

[vivid halo]

literally infinite jest

[lapis hull]

I think this is done automatically

[cinder zephyr]

it is automatic

doesn't make it right

[vivid halo]

inline picture can be nice

[lapis hull]

i disagree!

TeX's algorithms are faultless

[cinder zephyr]

Claim 21 should be on next page

ok Knuth

[vivid halo]

okay yea this is an insane use of inline picture lmfao

[lapis hull]

Knuth is so cute

[cinder zephyr]

fuck the editors, just put a \clearpage right before the Claim

We should be more liberal with forcing page breaks

[icy locust]

Or put the entire section in some unbreakable box

[latent edge]

What the heck

[sonic sentinel]

what's the issue

is it with the line making it confusing

is it the aesthetics

fuck aesthetics

[limber thunder]

yes this is the "right" solution

some unbreakable environment and let latex handle it and probably cry about underfull vbox later

[limber thunder]

timed out for flooding

[modern saddle]

Helloo

Do degrees expire

[limber thunder]

academic degrees don't

[analog abyss]

As in, the things you get from universities?
No, although if you’re going for something more academic, and it’s been a while, places may want to test you or similar to make sure you still have the relevant knowledge

[limber thunder]

yes that's right

[modern saddle]

:/

[limber thunder]

though tbh the more you grow up the less relevant education becomes, employers start looking at your experience mostly

[modern saddle]

Fr

[analog abyss]

Hence why I said “more academic” 🙃 (thinking of like if you’re going for a PhD for example)

[limber thunder]

as well as other, smaller certifications you can get to update your base of knowledge

[limber thunder]

oh in the case of academia "experience" is measured through publications, invited talks, conferences

[cinder zephyr]

It's the fact that the claim is at the very end of the page so they could have added a \clearpage easily and have it look fine and have the whole footnote in one page

[covert tinsel]

Anyone wanna help me with hypothesis testing (a level) ?😁

[gloomy copper]

How to say this verbally
θ = arc l/r

[outer dome]

theta?

I don't understand what you mean

[gloomy copper]

And you'll continue so for I have already gotten my answer
Ciao

[mild belfry]

Idk if this is the server to ask this in but, if there is nothing faster than light, but a black Hole's gravitational pull is capable of not letting even light escape, does that mean a black Hole's gravitational pull is faster than light?

[zealous garden]

nothing can move through spacetime faster than light

"space" "moves" "faster than light" in a blackhole

I think the better way to think about is that the black hole is curved spacetime

and just like the curvature of the Earth

at a certain point it gets so intense that you can't see past it

there's something in the way

that's pretty much it

not only can you not see what's on the other side of a black hole, but you can't ever see anything ever actually pass the event horizon

it looks like it slows down and fades out infinitely (assuming it didn't get ripped apart by tidal forces at the accretion disc and wasn't swept up into a relativistic orbit at significant fractions of the speed of light)

the event horizon is literally a horizon

where spacetime has curved so extremely that our timeline no longer includes that set of events

it's less "what is moving" or "how fast are things moving" and more "what are the possible paths"

[sonic sentinel]

is it plausible that i could learn dutch just by reading the language + hearing TTS speak the words as i read?

[limber thunder]

you'd need some way to understand the meaning of the words

[sonic sentinel]

i think i have about as much comprehension of dutch wikipedia (a language i don't speak) as i do of arabic wikipedia (a language i say i sort of speak)

[limber thunder]

also any decent language learning program will have you write and speak as well. Forming your own thoughts and expressing them in the target language is very important to learn it

maybe find a study group or some kind of server/community where you can connect with native dutch speakers?

[sonic sentinel]

oh i don't have a goal to learn dutch

i was just curious about whether i could do this because it seems like i understand it as well as a language i tell people i speak

[limber thunder]

I see

[limber thunder]

might be something like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_speaker_(language)

[sonic sentinel]

yeah that seems like a likely scenario

[limber thunder]

it's also more likely to happen when you already know a very similar language

[sonic sentinel]

if i train only with input and no output+feedback

[limber thunder]

e.g. in Latin America, Spanish and Portuguese speakers can kind of understand each other but when communicating we end up forming a weird amalgamation of both languages

that some call portuñol or portunhol

[sonic sentinel]

lovely

[limber thunder]

happens to some pairs of European languages

and there's also the other kind of phenomenon where it can happen asymmetrically, i.e. one understands the other language but not the other way around

language is fun

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_intelligibility

[sonic sentinel]

and this property is not transitive either right

[limber thunder]

I don't think so

[sonic sentinel]

there isn't a "hierarchy" of intelligibility

[limber thunder]

depends very much on the particular pair of languages

though e.g. romance languages as a family don't stray too much from each other, that's kind of the point of classifying them as such, as coming from the same historical languages

[sonic sentinel]

i had the random unrelated thought of using AI trained on English at various points in history to try to predict what future English looks like (for fun).
i'm guessing you could do this without AI but maybe it could pick up on trends you didn't notice?

i feel like fine-tuning an already existing language model to do this, and telling it the text it should predict was written in 2100, it would try to predict like new technologies in the text, or think it's writing a sci-fi

[limber thunder]

perhaps, it's complicated to predict how social stuff will unfold though

[sonic sentinel]

you'd have to use a language model that doesn't have a concept of "scifi often says its many years in the future"

so either a dumb language model or somehow lobotimize a smarter one

[burnt ledge]

ohhhhhh sick theres a weird for what i am to urdu

[gray shadow]

dude calculus kinda easy tbh

[true zinc]

Oh damn this describes exactly how we feel to the language too

[burnt ledge]

a word* i just noticed this

a weird 😭

[burnt ledge]

its funny cz i can speak it like pretty well in my head but when it comes to actually speaking i start second guessing myself

[true zinc]

Oof lmao, we can understand it fine but our command of properly using grammar is straight ass

So when we speak it sounds very informal

[tropic mica]

Nah bro that’s impossible

Even Einstein found it like super hard man

[solid snow]

no he didnt

[true zinc]

Diff geo moment

[true zinc]

I'd prove this rn if my body weren't in too much pain to draw on a whiteboard

[tropic mica]

Obviously he did

Like obviously yk

[solid snow]

the bottom formula can be obtained with the general reduction formula for the indefinite integral of sin^nx

then plug in n = 0

[quaint cipher]

Why do they list (n+1)I_nI_n+1 separately? Does it have any significance?

[solid snow]

the reduction formula as i mentioned

[quaint cipher]

ok, also how to calculate \sqrt{n}I_2n+1 as n\to \infty?

[solid snow]

try yourself first

[quaint cipher]

I guess I have problem in calculating I_2n+1

[verbal karma]

One thing that I need to tell you is that: If you are in class and you understand nothing, it is best to ask your instructor about this.

[civic berry]

i asked but still

[verbal karma]

We can help you on specific topics

but not like we are your instructor who knows all the content you have learned, the style, and the problem you face. I'm not saying that no one here will help you, but we need more context. It is best for now to talk to your teacher first then come here with specific help.

Because, first of all, we don't know what will be on your upcoming test

what I meant is that, without clarification, your teacher is your best bet here. We don't know what will be on your test nor how to help you effectively. Right now, we can only give you generic advice like watching youtube, use Khan academy.

[vast wraith]

tfw physicist edward teller (of hydrogen bomb fame) recounts general unsolvability of higher-order polynomials:

to be fair he's just off by one and a first name

[pure hollow]

einstein had a massive skill issue tbh

[tropic mica]

thats what im sayin

bro needs to lock in

[pure hollow]

real

[fresh comet]

[pure hollow]

hm?

[tropic mica]

higher is like an omnipotent being that comes and drop a gif and leaves

[old oak]

A being from a higher! plane of existence

[pure hollow]

*omniscient being due to being active all the time

[fresh comet]

higher!

[wet mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/chopper-gif-26230616

[neat lintel]

is it a misconception that applied math is less rigorous than pure math

[river moon]

yes

[vivid halo]

I think so yeah

I mean it's sort of the wrong question: pure and applied mathematicians tend to be interested in VERY different things

and accordingly the standards of rigor for writing about these things have developed differently for different reasons

same thing in physics compared to math

they have different goals

a lot of physics looks sloppy and loose compared to pure mathematics if you are pretending physicists are trying to solve pure mathematics questions exclusively

[neat lintel]

is a math and physics double major worth it if you want to go into applied math but your school doesn't have an applied math degree

[neat lintel]

Not offering the degree and not offering any applied math courses are 2 totally different things.

I think just do the math degree, and focus on the applied math courses/specialization. And take physics/engineering/CS/etc. electives.

physics minor?

they have applied math courses

has anyone studied langrangian mechanics how hard is it

[autumn creek]

[subtle kettle]

What was found first the natural logarithm or euler's constant

[burnt ledge]

edward teller of hydrogen bomb fame? wasnt he the one who was like super keen on makng more and bigger bombs

the anti-nobel

[burnt ledge]

id bet the logarithm was known first

[vast wraith]

yeah it’s just weird to me how he can be going on about how much of important this (algebra) is to him, and still get it wrong

[burnt ledge]

:-\ maybe pierre galois really did talk about all that, and évariste just ruined it afterwards?

[vast wraith]

are you claiming that the general quintic is solvable?

[burnt ledge]

Yea it was for a few years

after pierre galois proved it and before évariste galois disproved it

Okay i give up no im just makign a joke based on that he got galoises name wrong

[vast wraith]

damn i didn’t realize

[strange glen]

Hi I need help

[ocean harbor]

#❓how-to-get-help

[surreal jacinth]

im cashing out the fire insurance on my house (accident) and going to vegas to make it big with GTO poker any mathematicians you can come if your smart

offer only available to the august grey haired mature crowd of discussion2 dont tell d1

[fringe summit]

insurance fraud lookin

[surreal jacinth]

what is insurance fraud. tomorrows fire is an act of god

[fringe summit]

that's pretty illegal

[mild parcel]

what happens in discussion 2

evil discussion 2 be like: let’s not discuss math

[fair fox]

Evil math

Anti math

[mild parcel]

evil math be like: lets NOT integrate the area under a curve

[agile fiber]

integrate the area above a curve

[fierce fox]

I mean that's just a question about an infinite sets structure ig. Idk what sorta question but a question nonetheless.

[fair fox]

Evil infinite 😈

[neat lintel]

Of course it is solvable, just use Newton's method

[vast wraith]

personally my favorite solution for it is via klein’s icosahedral invariant

#math-discussion message

hm?

[old oak]

This but unironically, eventually you'd end up rounding your radicals to a rational number anyway

I mean, there might be better approaches than Newton's, I'm not up do date on numerical methods, but the point stands.

Netwon's method does have the advantage of being theoretically doable without a computer if you're in a pinch

Not everyone might know that, but Newton didn't even have a computer.

[old oak]

Let's integrate nonmeasurable functions, more like

[vast wraith]

numerical methods are pretty cool

and there are certainly better approaches than newton’s

[neat lintel]

I wasn't being ironic

[uneven galleon]

Would you rather be up to date with every news today or be able to prioritize your task well

Or.. do you have any other tips in balancing it?

[neat lintel]

Prioritize my task well

News just make you depressed

[light olive]

any websites for math questions of all levels ?

[uneven galleon]

Mmm yea

[burnt ledge]

holy <@&268886789983436800>

[solid yarrow]

[old oak]

Damn, what did I miss?

[burnt ledge]

guy spammed @​everyone

[solid yarrow]

[neat lintel]

It depends what you are looking for. https://madasmaths.com is a good website for basic stuff. For more advanced pure maths, you are best searching up "topic : course page" and you should get some results. Alternatively, whilst this is not a website, you can search up books with "problems and solutions" or "exercises and solutions" regarding your topic of interest. Many people on the Mathstackexchange will often have already asked this question for these books, so you can just use their suggestions. Hope this helps!

[ocean harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/everyone-ping-everyone-discord-discord-moment-gif-19916334

[light olive]

I love you so much

[pure hollow]

yoo is that klien in ur pfp?

[south thicket]

Who is klien?

[pure hollow]

a webnovel character

[south thicket]

Ooh

[gritty crater]

Can't unsee this now, IoI

[pure hollow]

this is indeed accurate |o|

[icy locust]

SO

[true zinc]

Damn you

[unborn meteor]

oh no

[vast wraith]

special orthogonal group what

[keen abyss]

Wait until they watch star wars

Multiplication symbols chasing down absolute zeroes

https://tenor.com/9Zxn.gif

I am not allowed to embed rip

[quick beacon]

@fallow grail no, that is incorrect.

[fallow grail]

yeah bro

hmmm

[quick beacon]

3*sqrt(5) = sqrt(45)

whereas 15 = sqrt(225)

(it's off by a factor of sqrt(5))

[fallow grail]

wait it was {3*squt(5)}^2

is that correct?

[quick beacon]

(3 * sqrt(5))^2 = (3^2 * 5) = 45

[fallow grail]

k

thx

[quick beacon]

yw

[steep mountain]

#discussion message missed golden opportunity

[whole tangle]

I urge u all to never use de groots book for stats and probability. Hands down an awful book too lazy to provide proper solutions. “We provide solutions to every other question except when it’s too much effort and we don’t explain the solutions”

[gusty socket]

sounds like all math books

[whole tangle]

“Question 7 is a difficult one lucky for me it’s an odd number let’s check the solution” SKIP - De Groot

How do u even learn from this when the examples in the text are nothing like the problems

And no explanation is provided

Must I run to chat gpt?

I can’t send u the picture of the question

But I swear it has nothing to do with the content of the chapter , expectations

“Suppose that a particle is released at the origin of the xy-plane and travels into the half-plane where x > 0. Suppose that the particle travels in a straight line and that the angle between the positive half of the x-axis and this line is α, which can be either positive or negative. Suppose, finally, that the angle α has the uniform distribution on the interval [−π/2, π/2]. Let Y be the ordinate of the point at which the particle hits the vertical line x = 1. Show that the distribution of Y is a Cauchy distribution.”

[leaden torrent]

that seems fairly typical?

idk how the text's exposition is but the actual problem doesnt seem particularly bad

not defining "ordinate" is a bit mean though

its definitely an expected value question though, youre computing the distribution of the ordinate which collapses to an expected value in the mean

[tired haven]

does anyone have a good slideshow background

[verbal karma]

default beamer one (i.e., white one) is good

[verbal karma]

I think that is how college-level books usually work. This book is more rigorous than a typical probability book but not that challenging like Casella.

[light olive]

AAAA YEAH

[restive stone]

are there any irl math meetups in the bay area not for kids?

[gusty socket]

there are many bays

[flat harbor]

i asked for one for like

MONTHS

everyone who was in the area was like. 14

[safe stag]

rgxdf

[spice nebula]

Well goddamn

[sonic sentinel]

why in economics class, rational actors are said to be making decisions at the lowest opportunity cost, which is defined as the cost of not having picked the BEST of the remaining options

if you've already defined what the best choice out of a set of choices is, then you can just say that a rational actor makes the best choice?

what am i not getting

[sonic sentinel]

i can't imagine a situation where it's simpler to think about a choice as minimizing opportunity cost rather than maximizing utility

[thorn kelp]

I'm addicted to gaming

there's no way

I just

can't do my work

all the time

and I keep procrastinating

and then I just pull an allnighter

and it just looks stupid

[vivid halo]

that is stupid yea

[eager reef]

indeed

have you considered deleting your games for a while

[haughty quest]

Get someone to give you a really horrendous task, so that you suddenly feel like procrastinating by doing the other work instead :P

[civic thistle]

me rn

its 4:55 am

and i havent slept since 6 am yestarday

[vivid halo]

no eepy gang

[true zinc]

<@&268886789983436800> Advertizing

[limber thunder]

timed out

[solar hawk]

f,g are cts on an interval around a

f(a) = g(a) = 0

lim f’(x)/g’(x) -> L as x -> a

@bright hill I’m gonna start it now

This is the correct assumptions for photos rule right

Lhopitals*

[bright hill]

...

[solar hawk]

Thx

[bright hill]

typoing photos for l'hopitals is wild

[solar hawk]

lol

It’s autocorrect

Anyway

Is this sound?

What I said is

[bright hill]

but yea, nah

[solar hawk]

Wdym nah

[bright hill]

this is a weaker version of l'hopital

l'hopital is a lot more general

[solar hawk]

Huh

Then what hopital

[bright hill]

you don't even need f(x) to be defined at a

[solar hawk]

f and g may not be differentiable at a also

[solar hawk]

Ummm

[bright hill]

see our slides

:3

[solar hawk]

In Abbott this is lhopitals

[bright hill]

yes

[solar hawk]

Ok can u check my proof tho

So anyway
Let e > 0
There is a d so that

[bright hill]

common abbott L

[solar hawk]

I had x \in (a - d, a + d)

(Pick delta so that for the e>0)

This is true

|f’(x)/g’(x)| < e

Ok

So

[bright hill]

this is wrong

[solar hawk]

Sorry

• L

[bright hill]

ye

[solar hawk]

- L

Just imagine it’s there

I’m too lazy to write it

So anyway

I decided to do smthn freaky

[bright hill]

you really don't have to

[solar hawk]

X = (a,x)

[solar hawk]

Wtf

[bright hill]

it's way simpler than what you have in mind prolly

[solar hawk]

Ok just trust me ok

[bright hill]

like, think simply

[solar hawk]

Just check if what I actually have is right

X = (a,x)

[bright hill]

what do you think the simplest proof to this would be?

[solar hawk]

Darq I know there is an easier way

I’m not worried about the exercise

I’m talking about the proof

[bright hill]

oh oki

[solar hawk]

|f’(t)/g’(t) - L| < e

For all t in X, right

Since X is a subset of

The delta ball

So anyway

Now I use the mean value theorem

there is a c in X so that

[f(x) - f(a)]/[g(x) - g(a)] = f’(c)/g’(c)

Right?

But the f(a) and g(a) are zero

So there is a c so that

f’(c) / g’(c) = f(x)/g(x)

But since |f’(c)/g’(c) - L| < e

The same follows for f(x)/g(x)

right???

Pls

Hopefully it’s right

Darq darq plssss

Bbbbbbuh

Hi

[bright hill]

that's actually close to what we do in the general case

lemme read it again

[solar hawk]

I COOKED

SARQ I COOKED

OMG

DARQ I COOKED DEARQ SARQ

[bright hill]

ok, so you're saying, for all x in the epsilon ball

|f(x)/g(x)-L|<e

[solar hawk]

Consider a new interval and apply the mean value theorem there

[bright hill]

coz of the mvt

[solar hawk]

yayayayayay

[latent edge]

ANALYSIS MENTIONED

[bright hill]

yea

that makes sense

[solar hawk]

Thanks

[bright hill]

again, that's close to what you do in general

[solar hawk]

Ily ur the best teacher every

[bright hill]

but in this case, you just

[solar hawk]

I just

[jagged forge]

u wut

[solar hawk]

I cooked

Ru proud of me

I’m an adult

Almost

[bright hill]

nvm what I had in mind was actually wrong

and to fix it I just did your argument again lmfao

[solar hawk]

Am I wrong too then

[bright hill]

no

[solar hawk]

Yay

Ur the best teacher

[solar hawk]

Is it possible to be measure theory in a month

Or two

[jagged forge]

yes

what are we talking about again

[solar hawk]

Analysis

[jagged forge]

ah

[solar hawk]

Ru atleast proud I spell it out now

[bright hill]

it's definitely possible

[jagged forge]

yes!

[solar hawk]

Possible

And two

Idk how much longer I take

[jagged forge]

https://tenor.com/view/dumb-and-dumber-lloyd-theres-a-chance-jim-carrey-gif-11098164

[solar hawk]

It’s supposed to be finished last year

(Which was like 2 months ago)

[bright hill]

what is

@solar hawk this is inchresting coz under the same assumptions you can also prove that, if f'(a) and g'(a) both exist

and g'(a)=/= 0 then

this essentially

so if you take g(t) = t-x

you get that \lim f'(x) = f'(a)

that is, f' is continuous at a

which is inchresting since f' need not be continuous

so the mere existence of \lim f'(x) implies f' is continuous at a

never realized this before

or maybe we're both wrong

[vivid halo]

block matrices can't hurt you
the block matrix:

that last row/colum really be like "oh shit I forgot my wallet"

[frank flint]

What the flip is this

[solar hawk]

I LITERALLY told you that

I literally said

Darq

If a function is differentiable everywhere except one point on an open interval

And the limit of the derivative exists

Then that’s the derivative d

And

Ya

[jagged forge]

darq got rolled by amukh

[bright hill]

where?

[charred sundial]

Dude, I'm trying to learn basic math, but I already have a base, it's not very good, does anyone have any tips?

[bright hill]

@solar hawk I see you

https://tenor.com/view/skeptical-futurama-fry-hmmm-i-got-my-eyes-on-you-gif-17101711

[solar hawk]

I did

[bright hill]

[stray fox]

hey @solar hawk

[solar hawk]

Hiiii

[stray fox]

so

[solar hawk]

Contour = line

?

[stray fox]

your last message : This entire time a contour integral was just a line integral in complex analysis?

[solar hawk]

I’m familiar line

[stray fox]

A contour integral can be a collection of integrals or just a simple path integral

( IE, when you get to contour integration )

[solar hawk]

Mm wait

[stray fox]

alright

[solar hawk]

A contour

[stray fox]

Yes.

[solar hawk]

Is like those contour lines

[stray fox]

yeah

[solar hawk]

On like

Yk

Is that what those r meant to integrate

[stray fox]

a contour is a type of curve, so a contour integral is... a path integral.

[solar hawk]

Oh ok

Why r they given a special name then

And how can they be used to compute real integrals better

[stray fox]

Because they are heavily used in contour integration, this is the method you might see in my profile picture and to compute real integrals.

,av @stray fox

[solar hawk]

Is the residue theorem on contour integrals

[fathom swallow]

almond3's Avatar

Click here to view the image.

[stray fox]

Yes, but normally ( as seen in the picture ) we convert Real integrals to complex integrals

contours are specifically complex

[solar hawk]

Ok

What’s the residue theorem state?

[stray fox]

The residue theorem states that the contour integral ( $\oint_C f(z)dz = 2\pi{i}\sum_{n=0}^{\infty} \text{Res}(f,z_n)$ is equal to the sum of the residues

[solar hawk]

What’s res

Is the bitten meant to be n = 0

[fathom swallow]

Makenna

[solar hawk]

Ok

Yay

[stray fox]

yes, corrected it

the Residue, that's normally the big thing in complex analysis

[solar hawk]

Is z_n points on the curve

[stray fox]

and what you probably spend the most time on

[stray fox]

inside the contour, yes.

lmfao

[solar hawk]

Call her a not asymptote the way she doesn wanna get close to me

[stray fox]

fr

[solar hawk]

Ok

I wanna compute some integrals with complex analysis

[stray fox]

alright

[solar hawk]

So they are points on the parameterization right

[stray fox]

I can give you the simple formula if you want, though it might not do too much to you, because there is some specifics

[solar hawk]

Oh

What’s the pre reqs

How long does canalysis take

[solid snow]

just read bruh

[solar hawk]

😭😭

No I need to plan

Ima finish Abbott first obvv

Wanna hear a math joke

[stray fox]

$\text{Res}(f(z),z_0)=\lim_{z \to z_0}(z-z_0)f(z)$

[fathom swallow]

Makenna

[stray fox]

THIS IS FOR THE FIRST DEGREE

higher order " poles " ( oh god I have to explain that )

$\text{Res}(f(z),z_0)=\frac{1}{(n-1)!}\lim_{z \to z_0}\frac{\mathrm{d^{n-1}} }{\mathrm{d} z^{n-1}}(z-z_0)^n f(z)$

[fathom swallow]

Makenna

[stray fox]

This is for higher order poles

[terse comet]

@odd narwhal when are we rescheduling our fight for

[bright hill]

@solar hawk anywho

as I was saying

[solar hawk]

Hiiii

Saryquwue

[bright hill]

during lecture you're really not supposed to like

understand 100% of the proof and theorem statements etc

I treat them more like

[solar hawk]

A primer?

[bright hill]

a slightly more detailed skim of the book

[bright hill]

exactly

you know when you skim a chapter just to survey its content?

[vivid halo]

getting flashbacks to the time I had to compute a contour integral in C^2 thanks

[bright hill]

and then you go back to actually fill in all the details

sortta like that

[solar hawk]

Rarely

[bright hill]

during lecture I try to focus more on the intuition and the bigger picture

rather than the technical proofs

[bright hill]

lmao

[solar hawk]

I usually just read it from the start

[bright hill]

well, at least you should recognize its usefulness!

[bright hill]

I do too 😭

meh

[solar hawk]

I only just started to skim

In like

[bright hill]

when I get bored I start skimming

ig that counts

[solar hawk]

Ok

Wanna vc in a bit

Do u know complex analysis

[bright hill]

bro

it's 2am

[bright hill]

I actually know

pretty much no complex analysis at all lmao

I know some facts

but that's it

[solar hawk]

Well can u vc

[bright hill]

dude

[solar hawk]

On dineee

Ok fine*

[ocean harbor]

sleep bro

[ocean harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-cat-i-dont-care-idc-gif-23191447

[solar hawk]

LOL

[coarse bridge]

blud is on Welsh time

[bright hill]

I don't even know what time it is ngl

windows goes randomly +-1 h my actual time

[coarse bridge]

LMAO

[brittle socket]

No

[odd narwhal]

Come to penn

[latent edge]

@jaunty ibex @opal isle
I'm not getting this job

[solid snow]

why even make a distinction for minimum and preferred lmao

[jaunty ibex]

LMFAO

ignore and move on

[latent edge]

I've seen a couple for college stuff as well

idk I guess it's because some of these are affiliated or something

could be a nepotism thing

[jaunty ibex]

This is so funny

[coarse bridge]

Maybe the order relation is with the majors

[light steeple]

Man they really want someone from the University of Waterloo lmao

[latent edge]

my prev internship interview went excellent until bro got someone from waterloo and immediately dropped me

[light steeple]

rip

knowledge and expertise are much more important but a lot of places care more about a name on your resumé

[jaunty ibex]

Ok that sucks ngl

[latent edge]

worst part is the bro from waterloo isn't even doing cs or something adjacent to it

not even math

[jaunty ibex]

oh wtf

[light steeple]

It's crazy that they value a name more than actual understanding of the subject lol

[visual breach]

Having to spend hours for each course is so

[light steeple]

I feel that 😔

[visual breach]

Wish I could understand everything in class right away

[light steeple]

I want to telepathically learn mathematics lmao

[latent edge]

im having a stroke reading my prof's proof in one of the homework exercises

[visual breach]

Oh? What is it about

[latent edge]

it is a proof by contradiction but it's really wrong

like you only disproved one case

good luck disproving the other 7! - 1 cases now

[visual breach]

Other cases are left as an exercise to the reader™️

[light steeple]

5039 cases is insane

[latent edge]

oh lol u have seen nothing lmfao

job hunting is cursed

[light steeple]

Jobs in general are cursed rn

[latent edge]

key part is never giving up and stay motivated

[visual breach]

Jobs are like that yeah

[light steeple]

That's life tbh

[jaunty ibex]

Deltoid have u read Maynard's papers

[latent edge]

yes one of them

[visual breach]

Actually do the employers even understand fraction of the material themselves
(Well anyway)

[latent edge]

Maynard's papers are cursed in general

[latent edge]

no

[light steeple]

I know the HR people and the hiring managers for sure don't

Let's hear them explain set theory lol

[dapper badge]

Bourgain math

[jaunty ibex]

What is it

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psychology

[jaunty ibex]

LMFAO IM ROLLING RN WTF

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They hired a psychology student for a programming position?

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yes

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Key business descision right there

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HR told me they are very good and they know a lot of shit so I got sus about it and looked what bro did

literally nothing

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Damn

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they can't fire him because they're on copium

Coping with the fact they hired someone with no experience

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I remember having another interview (which again I got rejected in) and there were peeps from waterloo and they had like 10 positions that they got accepted in meanwhile people at my uni be mass applying to heree, europe or even to a janitor job and still get rejected

totally a different world

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Janitorial Job Requirements:

Must be a student at the University of Waterloo

lmao

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Name value is insane yeah

People just not bothering to check details out, so lazy

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p2w irl fr

[jaunty ibex]

lmfao

btw deltoid

I don't blame u

cuz i got this job by being a waterloo student then dropping out

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The fact you have to do more than just be educated/experienced in a field to get a job is honestly insane

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,w university of waterloo

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Ah, so it is basically one of the most prestigious uni in Canada.
Name value

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Harvard equivalent, I assume?

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classic

[jaunty ibex]

My friend from waterloo dropped out as well after getting a job

I referred some other student there as well and convinced them to drop out

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yeah

fun fact I applied there and got accepted but I rejected their offer

[jaunty ibex]

yeah u told me about this

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chad move

[jaunty ibex]

@latent edge do u recommend reading Maynard's papers

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I mean by all means yeah if you are interested

they will just be cursed to look at

that was my experience at least

really hard to find someone who reads Maynard's papers and get help from there

at least with langlands and alg geo I can just ping ng