serious-discussion

[true zinc]

We already answered them in #book-recommendations

dw

[neat lintel]

what kind of functions they looking for

[true zinc]

like literally just "what is a function" type functions

[north topaz]

yeah at what level

oooh someone recommended Gelfrand

[neat lintel]

https://youtu.be/Fuw9ZdFrasA?si=IUUqPjBBPUzRFgkK whoo

[neat lintel]

bro what

lmao

[onyx harbor]

You like math?

[true zinc]

yes

[earnest jackal]

does anyone know something which has khan academy units in florida math standards (for example whatever unit = 9th accelerated/10th)

[true zinc]

if you know what florida's standards are, find the relevant videos, normally the videos don't directly align to any specific state standards

[earnest jackal]

alr

[surreal jacinth]

I walked into my course the other day and i instantly knew it was a combined math/CS section lol

a bunch of people with the characteristic CS appearance

[gaunt rampart]

what is the characteristic CS appearance

i find that majority of STEM major look the same

[true zinc]

a lack of interest in mathematics (normally)

and an abundant smell of LLM's and Machine Learning

[sonic sentinel]

i think a litmus test of numeracy is asking people to estimate the value of a number that they are aware can vary widely

[gaunt rampart]

i would say something to defend us CS peeps, but this is fairly accurate description of me

soo well done, you hit it spot on

machine learning is fun man, I spent 3 hours last night grafting cats on to dogs

[sonic sentinel]

if they give anything an expected value, confidence interval, or something along those lines, they pass. if they give a way to better estimate the value or say they don't know, the test is null. if they start talking about how it doesn't make sense to ask the question because it varies so widely, they fail the test.

e.g. asking "how much can a typical person lift?" to a person who knows a lot about weightlifting

im mad rn cause of a similar response that i got today online + someone responded on reddit to "how long does it take to learn german to so and so level" with "how long is a piece of string"

it would be better for all parties involved if that commenter just said something like "i'd estimate 100-1000 hours for a monolingual english speaker" than "how long is a piece of string"

hell it would have been better if the commenter said "i don't know"

[surreal jacinth]

apple laptop and conspicuous branding

undergrads at least

[gaunt rampart]

this is kind of true, its a little 50/50 though, at my university its pretty 50/50 but id tend to agree

not really branded clothes but tons and tons of macs yeah

[surreal jacinth]

pure math is so windows/linux

tails

with VPN proxy noscript

[gaunt rampart]

yeah i notice that the people on mac are usually just doing web dev, the guys who are serious about systems programming or machine learning usually bring their brick ass linux or windows machine that makes jet engine noises

[sonic sentinel]

though i suspect the person would be less likely to fail if they were someone who knows little about weightlifting

[surreal jacinth]

needless to say i dropped that course the prof was all like

"yeah so were gonna focus more on methods than on analysis"

there were too many students anyways

[gaunt rampart]

fair enough yeah, makes sense that an applied math course would attract folks from engineering or CS side

[winged nest]

There are two types of CS majors

The mathematician

And the ‘other’ one

[jagged forge]

an abundant smell of LLM's and Machine Learning

[true zinc]

lmaooo fair

[outer spindle]

this makes me question if i should be in cs lol, since i didnt transfer for machine learning

[latent edge]

glued to their laptop like their life is dependant on, a lot of toxic behaviour and weird obsession over LLM's and machine learning overall. If you mentioned mathematics, then you are in a fun time arguing with a bunch of idiots

[outer spindle]

nah im rocking that thinkpad

[gaunt rampart]

ah nah im just doing cutmix, its data augmentation for CNN's, i wish i could show a picture but i dont have image perms

[outer spindle]

i will pretend i know those terms lmao

[gaunt rampart]

you basically just take one image, cut out a square and paste it onto another

[outer spindle]

i see

[gaunt rampart]

then you feed the image to a convolutional neural network as input

its really goofy looking in practice

but produces fantastic results

[outer spindle]

it seems like ml is your jam

[gaunt rampart]

not really, im majoring CS minoring data science

it really is fun though!

[outer spindle]

oh i see

im also a fellow cs major

[gaunt rampart]

Ah im sorry youve had bad experiences with the CS community so far, hope you meet better representatives of the field in the future

[outer spindle]

idk the first couple of my data science class lectures were boring

its just basic statistics stuff so far

[gaunt rampart]

i really respect the maths people, they work hard so we can have an industry in the first place

[gaunt rampart]

boring as in you know the content, or boring as in the content doesnt interest you?

[outer spindle]

both somewhat

right now we are studying the data collection module

[gaunt rampart]

I see I see

[outer spindle]

usually the maths and physics folks work the hardest

for the least reward

[gaunt rampart]

agreed yeah, research is really feast or famine i hear

[latent edge]

Yeah it's fine I still get to talk with sane people tho. Seems like the field is bloated with people who aren't interested in the field in the first place

[outer spindle]

really depends on the uni

[gaunt rampart]

Oh absolutely, its fucking filled with scum

[outer spindle]

mine has 4.0 gpa folks

[gaunt rampart]

everyones out for a paycheck

[outer spindle]

and everyone wants to go to ml

ai

n stuf

[gaunt rampart]

cause thats where the money is right now

[latent edge]

that says nothing about the student

[outer spindle]

im just talking about the interest related part

but ur right

it doesnt talk about the character

the same toxic stuff goes on

in my uni's cs department

usually the natural science department students are the most wholesome

they're a tight knit community

small communities

i should add

[gaunt rampart]

I'd say stickin to general CS first is a good idea, go dip your toes into some different sub branches of CS and see what you like:

Math heavy fields if you like math:
Cryptography (number theory, modular arithmetic)
AI/ML (optimization, stats, probability, linear algebra, calculus)
Theorical Com Sci (Graph theory, formal logic, complexity, type theory)

Less math heavy:
Web developement
Systems engineering (still need alot of math tbh)
Computer architecture (this is more for EE but you can still get into it)
Cloud dev

[outer spindle]

true, i want to try my shot at cs theory

but given its pure maths

its definitely gonna be difficult

[true zinc]

also saying "bro" a lot

[latent edge]

real

[true zinc]

also @gaunt rampart just wanted to say, we don't hate CS, we're majoring in it, but frankly it's so demotivating to see everyone falling for hype 😭

[gaunt rampart]

yeah i know what you mean

[outer spindle]

and the competition as well

[latent edge]

I feel you

[gaunt rampart]

So far in my 3 years of university i've seen a whole lot of em, I feel bad for them to be honest. Industry is pretty bad right now so alot of them are having a hard time securing jobs and internships

sort of a wake up call i guess

[peak tide]

i have only ever met one software guy who said "bro", and his degree was in geology

i don't know what that implies

[true zinc]

everywhere we go, all our peers are just so dismissive of anything that won't instantly get them into a job, going full turn into AI or frontend and "hating math" (math isn't all slog calculations 😭 )

like....ughhhhhh

[outer spindle]

understandable

it also sucks cuz

my cs department

doesnt have much theory

related courses

like a lot of the electives are in ml related fields

[latent edge]

there is a reason why proofs to algorithm is the most hated course in my university

[true zinc]

everyone at our uni hates having to take formal methods and theory of computation courses because it's "boring" and "another math class"

[latent edge]

and it's my favorite cs course

[gaunt rampart]

Ahh i feel this alot, theres a disconnect between the people who are interested in the field and those guys who feel kind of slimy? like next grift, next hustle next crypto/ai side project guys

[outer spindle]

i look forward to taking it next year

[true zinc]

same with algos

[gaunt rampart]

not saying its bad to try and do business but, some of these guys are really slimy

[true zinc]

most ppl don't even know how to use git and complain about linux not having a gui

[gaunt rampart]

I had a guy push a crypto miner to the univeristy high performance cluster, was pretty funny

[true zinc]

it drives me insane

[limber thunder]

uni students when they have to take a class in the very thing they decided to major in:

[true zinc]

LOL SOMEONE HERE DID THAT LAST SEMESTER

[gaunt rampart]

yeah it's nuts to me

[winged nest]

Yo im kinda outa the loop

Whats going on

[true zinc]

complaining about CS

[gaunt rampart]

as CS students

hahaha

[latent edge]

I don't hate CS and I don't regret majoring in it at all. I just hate the toxic community around it and the nonsensical competition

[outer spindle]

in a math server

[gaunt rampart]

did they ever find your guy? Mine got in a lot of trouble for it

[true zinc]

man got expelled or suspended afaik

[true zinc]

yeah lmao

[gaunt rampart]

Cause he pretty much stalled SLURM the day before an important assignment

[winged nest]

Tbh its just the type of ppl that makor it

Thr maths and theory is really essentta and interesting

[true zinc]

brandon, mind if we send you a friend request

[gaunt rampart]

well its a subfield of applied maths so i hope its not too egrigous

[outer spindle]

yeah true

[gaunt rampart]

yeah sure!

[winged nest]

The maths behind CS isnt really respected by most taking it

[jagged forge]

i think something's wrong with ur keyboard homie

[true zinc]

type theory is definitely very foundations-based afaik

[true zinc]

sadly

[winged nest]

So it kinda tarnished the field

[winged nest]

Moblie

Mobile lol

[jagged forge]

im sorry thats just funny lol

[gaunt rampart]

I mean you can get away nowadays with knowing very surface level stuff in tech, cause everything is abstracted to hell

[outer spindle]

mobile typing sucks

[true zinc]

I mean, yeah fair, but also knowing some theory just helps with appreciating the shoulders of giants you're standing on

[winged nest]

Exactly

[gaunt rampart]

the math knowledge really starts becoming important the more you specialize, like getting into DB's seriously requies a ton of set theory

[true zinc]

yep

getting into AI/ML is a shitton of linear and calc

getting into game dev is lots of linear

[gaunt rampart]

oh for sure, when you really dig deep its super impressive, like how do they think of this stuff kind of impressive

[true zinc]

exactly

[limber thunder]

stats

[true zinc]

oh and stats

yeah

[jagged forge]

my current project at work is basically a database, and i've benefitted from knowledge of logic and combinatorics

[gaunt rampart]

alot of the guys who came up with the foundations of AI and ML are still around btw, geoffery hinton, yoshu bengio, yann lecunn

the quicksort inventor is still around too

tony hoare i think

[outer spindle]

a cs degree also contains practical courses that help a lot like dsa networks os etc

[gaunt rampart]

all pretty recent history

[jagged forge]

that said most people will probably never work on something like a database
sadly i've only gotten to use graph theory once in my 4 years

[true zinc]

also understanding complexity

[outer spindle]

as @gaunt rampart said about set theory

and DBs

[gaunt rampart]

yeah its a shame really

80% end up in web dev

[winged nest]

I feel the certainCS ppl are part of a trend in society

[gaunt rampart]

professional JS framework monkey

[winged nest]

Tbh

I see less interest in maths

Overall or respect for it

[outer spindle]

thats kinda why i dont want to be a swe

[true zinc]

Don't get us wrong, there's defo skill req'd to make good efficient and fast websites

[gaunt rampart]

SWE is fun when you get to scale

[gaunt rampart]

yeah this ^^

[true zinc]

Just shitting on webdevs isn't helping

like at all

[limber thunder]

"good efficient and fast" isn't how I'd describe like 90% of websites I visit though

companies cut costs

[true zinc]

oh absolutely

[outer spindle]

hmm, tbh i've never been much of a software development type of person

[true zinc]

our point is that while good webdevs are defo endangered in the market, they do exist

[gaunt rampart]

I agree, i didn't mean web dev as a pejorative, i just tend to find the laziest devs in that group

[true zinc]

fair lol

[gaunt rampart]

there are some phenomenal web devs doing black magic to keep these giant applications running

discord itself is a huge feat of engineering

[gaunt rampart]

interested in research?

[jagged forge]

more generally i'd say SWE is fun when you need to care about performance

[gaunt rampart]

I've always wondered why that is

[true zinc]

Oh on a slight tangent, all these companies start nice enough but as their funding runs dry or the execs get some boneheaded new idea, they start doubling the data they collect and dumping it into an LLM 🙄

[jagged forge]

which can either be scaling, or it can be optimizing something on a single box to heck

[gaunt rampart]

in my country they never teach the applications of math so i always felt like youre learning meaningless equations for 5 years

[outer spindle]

it definitely seems appealing

[true zinc]

I'd say pre-uni education has played a massive part into this

[outer spindle]

i think thats in many places

[jagged forge]

what's not fun is making a CRUD API that needs to serve at most 2 hits per minute lol

[limber thunder]

oh that's awful, very commonplace still sadly

[gaunt rampart]

only till i got to college and saw how useful/impressive some of the things that can be achieved with maths i started to pay more attention

[latent edge]

web dev? more like use a modern JS framework with 100000 node dependencies and a "professional" looking UI library that just makes your website extremely slow

[gaunt rampart]

yeah the current malaysian education system will jump you straight into calculus with lhopitals, you will never learn the definition or actually what a derivative is

you will never do a proof in all 5 years

[true zinc]

We still can't forgive ourselves for basically being on hiatus for 6 years from maths

we could've started calc at 12-13...we're 20 now

[outer spindle]

im ngl i didnt even do lhopitals rule in hs

[gaunt rampart]

my god the node dependencies, my god i never want to have to manage that again

[outer spindle]

like i did do calc but in uni

they added the

[limber thunder]

nah it's best to not care much about the past

[outer spindle]

limits

and all that stuff

[gaunt rampart]

holy shit my company didnt keep those up to date for 5 years, every npm install was --force --legacy-peer-dependencies

EVERY REPO

[limber thunder]

I too wish I bought bitcoin in like 2011 instead of being in 8th grade and broke

[true zinc]

$\lim_{x \to a} \frac{f(x)}{g(x)} = \lim_{x \to a} \frac{f'(x)}{g'(x)}$ our beloved

[fathom swallow]

Ryan (The Cat Collective)

$\lim_{x \to a} \frac{f(x)}{g(x)} = \lim_{x \to a} \frac{f'(x)}{g'(x)}$ our beloved

[true zinc]

our parents rub it in very very frequently, we cannot let it go

[outer spindle]

yeah i did it in uni so ik it now

[jagged forge]

honestly i don't get a whole lot of regret about investing in crypto
(besides the fact that i was literally unable to)

[gaunt rampart]

you never learn what a limit is in Malaysian calculus, but you will know how to integrate to get the volume of a 3d shape

[jagged forge]

hindsight is 20/20 as they say

[true zinc]

I'm just saying it's so simple and useful :3

[outer spindle]

same in my education system

[outer spindle]

i dont need it rn but if i ever do ml theory i will revisit it

[true zinc]

me on my way to apply $\iiint$ to volumes of revolution

[fathom swallow]

Ryan (The Cat Collective)

[gaunt rampart]

i should have bought nvidia stock instead of huffing glue behind the class

[outer spindle]

cries in electromagnetism

[latent edge]

disk/washer method spamming

[gaunt rampart]

yeah thats pretty much the baseline for education here

hoping it can be better

[limber thunder]

jeez

[gaunt rampart]

but the education ministry is a little nuts here

[jagged forge]

did you believe in the stock before chatgpt

[limber thunder]

weird way to spell "incompetent" but alr

[river moon]

idk about you guys, but my CS friends do 15 muscle ups and 25 pull ups must be a C++ influence

[gaunt rampart]

I did not know the stock market existed when i was in high school

huffing glue

with my high school friends

[jagged forge]

lol

[gaunt rampart]

thats pretty insane

surely he is a giga chad assembly dev

my soy web dev background only lets me do 10 pullups 😭

[river moon]

but my boss runs a midnight commander cult and unfortunately most of coworkers agree with his idea of adding it to every single linux installation

[outer spindle]

nah i bet he crafts his own microprocessors

[latent edge]

I can do better

[outer spindle]

thats still decent

[gaunt rampart]

yeah its alright, I want to improve more but

this fucking semsester

[outer spindle]

im out here with like 1-2

[gaunt rampart]

so fucking brutal

[outer spindle]

but recently managed to hit pull ups

[gaunt rampart]

its okay, everyone starts weak before they become strong

[outer spindle]

so at least an improvement

[outer spindle]

true

actually not really

[gaunt rampart]

yeah dude hit pullups as much as you can, top 3 exercise imo. insanely fucking good for like a billion muscles

[outer spindle]

some people have insane genetics

[outer spindle]

yeah i have a pullup bar at home

but its more suited

to chin ups

[river moon]

my friend whos exercising once a week can do more pull ups than I can

[gaunt rampart]

damn

[outer spindle]

gentics

[gaunt rampart]

maybe hes light?

it gets exponentially harder to do a pullup with weight i feel

like much much much harder

[river moon]

he is about the same weight and height as me, just a bit shorter

[gaunt rampart]

ah thats where it is

shorter limbs, less travel

more mechanical advantage

[outer spindle]

@gaunt rampart are you in uni or a swe?

[gaunt rampart]

but its also possible hes just got better muscle genetics, cant rule that out

[outer spindle]

or both?

[gaunt rampart]

both

[outer spindle]

damn man

ur cracked

[gaunt rampart]

im in university but did a 6 month internship

[outer spindle]

ah

[gaunt rampart]

they kept me on as a freelancer

so im still working now

[outer spindle]

at least u getting experience

[gaunt rampart]

yeah im damn happy about that

i feel like entry level market all asking for 1 year experience

like how even for the fresh grads?

[outer spindle]

thats nice tho

you got that sorted

[gaunt rampart]

every fucking fresh grad needs to have billion side project, work experience, good academics, 20 plus hackathons, 100 leetcode questions memorized

[outer spindle]

yeah the job market seems brutal

[gaunt rampart]

thats how it feels lah rn

hope it will get better!

[outer spindle]

yeah im not surviving 💀

[gaunt rampart]

anyway i go back to work, good luck with your studies, it was nice to meet you all

[outer spindle]

yeah it was nice

[gaunt rampart]

i think you will graduate during a better time

[outer spindle]

good luck to you

[gaunt rampart]

of course you could always do post grad

[outer spindle]

the thing is

since i transferred to cs

im doing the core courses

one year later

so yeah

lets see hopefully it works out

[limber thunder]

it's either this or them telling you you're "overqualified"

a friend who does like cloud engi type stuff got called that recently 💀 for a senior type job

[gaunt rampart]

yeah and the masters/phd grads are also getting shoveled

nasty shit

[limber thunder]

real, I'm living this rn

[true zinc]

imho who the fuck cares if you're overqualified, it means your skills are a superset of the requested ones, they SHOULD hire you then

[limber thunder]

the logic is that you might jump ship easily if you get a better offer, from what I've heard anyway

but yeah it seems dumb anyhow

[peak tide]

overqualified is also a euphemism for "we want someone cheaper"

[fresh comet]

I've also heard that it's often used as a euphemism for "we want someone younger"

[peak tide]

yea, also used in that context (and others) is "not a good culture fit"

[fresh comet]

bleak

[jagged forge]

is ageism in tech just due to higher pay

i can't really think of any reason why age would be a downside, at least up to a certain age

several of the highest value team members i've had were 40+

[old oak]

I think that's a euphemism for "we want someone whiter and maler"

[heavy escarp]

@outer spindle monster pfp holy based

[peak tide]

that too, it's basically a code for "we don't want to hire this person but if we give the real reason then that violates federal law" (in the US at least)

[latent edge]

im living this rn

if HRs asked me about experience I'll be like "hi i just built this app to compute the compactified moduli space on genus 0 and n marked points now gib job pls"

overqualified

[jaunty ibex]

My friend who's like 10x more productive and better in terms of the work title got rejected with "overqualified" and I got accepted

[fresh comet]

hmm

[jaunty ibex]

In my case it just means "sorry we dont want males we are looking for females"

[latent edge]

that was a waterloo supported company right?

[jaunty ibex]

Absolutely

[latent edge]

more fuel to hate

[opal quail]

am ready to pay for it

https://discord.com/channels/268882317391429632/1282019483317305364

[fresh comet]

paid help is not allowed on this server

[opal quail]

then i won't pay, just give it some attention it's quit critical please.

thanks everyone ❤️ in advance

[ocean harbor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/695514882216427540/1231377074648780830/attachment.gif

[true zinc]

yeah it's fucked lmao

[wooden flax]

@velvet dagger yo

wanna rate my college list mr dami

🙏

[velvet dagger]

Lmao, alright go for it

[wooden flax]

alr

EA: UGA, Georgia Tech
REA: Caltech
RD: Harvard, MIT, Stanford, Yale, Princeton

i want to ea UCs but i dont have 320k

im also debating between caltech & stanford rea

since i did a few summer programs which are stanford feeders

[velvet dagger]

Wait how are you doing EA and REA simultaneously?

Is it a "You can still apply EA to public universities in your state" shtick or smth?

[strong gorge]

caltech has exceptions for non-binding public ea yes

[wooden flax]

rea only means u cant apply to any privates early, with USC being the only exception

you can apply to any publics early irregardless of rea/ED

so oos too

[velvet dagger]

I see

[wooden flax]

i need a school which is simultaneously affordable, safety/target, and lets you skip to interesting advanced grad classes

taking out safety/target you get what is my list

[velvet dagger]

Wait so where would you be in state?

(Also are you thinking math or math+cs or what?)

[wooden flax]

im georgia

interesting in math/mathematical physics

gatech dosent regularly have advanced graduate classes in non-combo according to friends there

the dept there is mostly combo/TCS/algos

caltech is like the dream for what im interested in

[velvet dagger]

Okay so I guess yeah UGA and GATech being in-state is good

nG is about to talk about UGA more than I ever could

[vivid halo]

wow you feel I'm overqualified that's CRAZY because I'm feeling real underemployed!

[wooden flax]

whats even more insane is that tuition is free here

thanks to the lottery

at all public schools

[wooden flax]

ive been thinking of uiuc and stony brook for this

idk what else is there

[velvet dagger]

Well wait do UGA not count for those then?

And if it comes to it GATech?

[wooden flax]

wdym

oh

tbh idrk anything about uga

athens is an AMAZING city though

like 10/10

[vivid halo]

yesss

[velvet dagger]

For the "simultaneously affordable, safety, and (?) lets you skip"

[wooden flax]

its 1 and 2 at least

[vivid halo]

athens was great

[wooden flax]

i love athens

theres a ramen chain there i really like in particular

called jinya

[vivid halo]

Jinya?

yeah

hehehe

[wooden flax]

i go there whenever im there

lol

[vivid halo]

I LOVE Jinya it's just got too overpriced in recent years

I used to go all the damn time though

[wooden flax]

yeah the broth is fantastic

people rave about the coffee

like jittery joes

[vivid halo]

they are okay

[wooden flax]

bar scene is goated i heard

[vivid halo]

I was never really happy with the coffee in Athens

it's a weird mix

there are a stupid number of bars downtown

the one really good queer bar kinda died because the old owner was outed as being sketchy to patrons

and there hasn't really been a bar that good since

[wooden flax]

oh sad

[vivid halo]

although probably this is just me not experiencing many of them there's literally like more than 100 bars in downtown

surely at least one is still good

[wooden flax]

the atmosphere there is just really nice for some reason

[velvet dagger]

Hmmm okay just looked it up and UGA doesn't quite have the people that do my stuff

[wooden flax]

walking there is chill

[velvet dagger]

Unfortunate

[vivid halo]

yeah I liked the music scene there

[wooden flax]

what kind of music are you into

inb4 its complicated

[vivid halo]

heavy metal/rock/jazz, sometimes blues

[wooden flax]

ic

[vivid halo]

mostly heavy metal

they have a good scene for that

[wooden flax]

for me its a weird mix of classical, progrock, indie, and random stuff i find interesting

jazz yeah

[vivid halo]

I didn't find so many good jazz shows there compared to somewhere like Toronto that has more proper jazz clubs

[velvet dagger]

Could one say that that's your

Leading preference?

[vivid halo]

but I got to see some metal shows I've always wanted to see that stopped in maybe 8 places in the US, one of which being Athens

[wooden flax]

nice

did uga have interesting graduate classes nG

and if so did you see lots of undergrads in them

[vivid halo]

yeah so depending on the year

the grad courses are kind of variable

at least for me there were more interesting courses when Litt and Bakker were still there

[wooden flax]

brb going to toronto to drag litt back here to teach me

[vivid halo]

these days they are pretty heavy on running lots of grad topology topics courses

and they always run some rep theory courses and some AG stuff

[wooden flax]

that sounds really good actually lol

do undergrads take them

[vivid halo]

sometimes!

[wooden flax]

i have some credit which can transfer

[vivid halo]

topics courses very very rarely, you definitely see a couple bright undergrads every year in like grad abstract algebra or whatever

[wooden flax]

from dual enrollment stuff

like the abstrct algebra undergrad sequence

and have a prof who could vouch for me knowing the standard grad classes

[vivid halo]

they also have a nice directed reading/research thing for undergrads

[limber thunder]

the pain is real

[vivid halo]

there have been a couple of particularly good undergrads who got papers out of this

[wooden flax]

in theory is it permitted for topics courses

if someone is prepared

[vivid halo]

yeah you just have to get permission

just a bit of extra paperwork when you have to register for courses but it's not so bad to deal with

[wooden flax]

i know some schools are particularly bad about this

like GSU

[vivid halo]

yeah

UGA is pretty chill about it I think

[wooden flax]

thats nice

[vivid halo]

they might start to get weirded out if you do something goofy like the majority of your credits are grad courses and you take them in a totally fucked up order

[wooden flax]

prob gonna be me

[vivid halo]

lol one of my friends did his math undergrad at UMaryland and they changed the grad course policy because of him after he graduated

[wooden flax]

thats wild

for the better or worse lol

[vivid halo]

he managed to take and audit uhhh 14 grad courses

and did some goofy shit like uhhh

took etale cohomology before point set topology

[wooden flax]

lmfao

im taking abstract algebra 1 and an independent study on algebraic groups and their representations this semester

[vivid halo]

excellent

yeah there are some very strong rep theory people at UGA especially if you like char p stuff

[wooden flax]

interesting

my prof did his phd at uga lol

[vivid halo]

oh nice

I think these days the topology group there is the strongest

they have really grown since I started there

[peak tide]

did he understand anything or was he just looking to set a floor for his gpa at 3.0 🤣

[wooden flax]

thats good

was that just for like grad reqs

[vivid halo]

oh he understood most of everything

[wooden flax]

or did he seriously not know point set op

top

[icy locust]

at least got good grades?

[vivid halo]

no he knew point set but just never took the course

[peak tide]

oh well more power to him then, why would they change the policy

[wooden flax]

valid

[vivid halo]

and then I think they got mad at him for not having taken it so they made him take it at some point

[peak tide]

that's a waste of time

[vivid halo]

yeah

[wooden flax]

why did they change it then

seemed like it worked out well

[limber thunder]

admin going :soynoo after engaging with this student

[vivid halo]

I think it was mostly an issue of spamming grad courses without having exhausted the undergrad courses first, and issues around grade inflation

the main issue with undergrads taking grad courses (which is easily fixed) is like

[wooden flax]

i think this kind of grade inflation is fine as long as its not done in bad faith

[vivid halo]

most grad courses don't actually expect you to do any work

which is fine for grad students, but this really pisses off the undergrad admins

[icy locust]

oh

[wooden flax]

like a weak student taking grad classes they dont understand, getting a B (a fail), and then inflating to a 3.0

[vivid halo]

usually the way around this is to assign actual homework to any undergrads that might be taking it, that's what happened to me as an undergrad

[coarse bridge]

LMFAO

[vivid halo]

I think the issue was that Maryland wasn't doing this at ALL so he got to take a solid year and a half of courses with zero homework lol

[wooden flax]

lmao

[peak tide]

that makes more work for whoever is teaching it though, i can see why they might just say "no undergrads" in that case

[vivid halo]

yeah that's the other main issue

[peak tide]

maybe have some policy like ok, if you've taken 6 grad classes already and want to take more, first take and pass the quals

(as an undergrad i mean)

[vivid halo]

another decent compromise that some departments do is like, undergrads can't take grad courses but you're free to sit in on them if you want

[wooden flax]

thats also fine

which schools do this (out of curiosity)?

[vivid halo]

and even if those courses aren't on your transcript presumably you would get a grad school rec from the prof that speaks to this, which is more effective than transcript anyways

I don't know off the top of my head

[wooden flax]

i would presume sitting in is up to the prof even if the dept has no specific policy towards this

assuming its a grad class where a limited number of seats in a 300 person lecture hall isnt the issue

[peak tide]

tbf i don't think i've ever seen a grad class that didn't have at least some empty seats
if nothing else, there's always a decent plurality of people who never attend haha

[coarse bridge]

I wanna know where this IS an issue

[wooden flax]

a friend asked i think purdue and uwisc which were both strict about not letting undergrads do this

[coarse bridge]

That would kinda suck if you can’t get credit from it but you don’t have enough hours to graduate though

[peak tide]

wisconsin (at least based on my dated knowledge) mostly wanted undergrads to do the sort of "halfway" grad classes that were open to both ugrads and grads

[coarse bridge]

So you’d be stuck doing stuff you already know or don’t want to take

[coarse bridge]

Yeah I’ve seen that

Actually I think that’s the case for many other schools too

[wooden flax]

some schools also make you take like a weeder course first and then let you take grad stuff

like uchicago and honors analysis

i think for a high school student who has taken calculus and maybe slightly more uchicago is by far the best undergrad option

[latent edge]

I'm taking a grad course on measure theory and I did not take any analysis course in undergrad

took me a while to convince the prof

and pass the stupid prereqs my uni has

[vivid halo]

damn lmfao

[vivid halo]

god yeah I would imagine

[latent edge]

I'm taking graph theory and I never took any of the prerequisites

[wooden flax]

graph theory dosent really have any

unless its a probabilistic one in which case you should know probability

[vivid halo]

lol I remember when I transferred from community college to undergrad uni I was like okay I guess the next thing to register for is intro to proofs that's the next thing I haven't taken

[wooden flax]

measure theoretic

[latent edge]

I mean for measure theory it makes sense but the prereqs for graph theory is just bullshit ngl

[vivid halo]

but I had nlab induced brain poisoning at that point

[peak tide]

everyone should know probability

[wooden flax]

i cringe when thinking of talagrand and bernoulli inequality spam

[vivid halo]

and the proof teaching it is someone who researches a lot of great homotopy theory stuff

[wooden flax]

talagrand inequality feels like it should have been discovered way long ago

[latent edge]

I convinced my prof to start a grad course on algebraic geometry and yes I will be taking that without any prereqs

[wooden flax]

nice!!

algebraic geometry is really interesting

is yours vareties or schemes

[vivid halo]

so I came to his office after the first class and I was like hi Dan can you tell me why simplices are more natural than other shapes for higher categories

[latent edge]

I can't handle taking stuff I already know it's really a waste of time

[vivid halo]

and he is like

[wooden flax]

LOL

based

[vivid halo]

yes but first can you tell me who the hell told you to sign up for intro to proofs

[wooden flax]

thats me in my dreams

[vivid halo]

walks me down the hall and is like "Nick this undergrad is in your abstract algebra course he's yours now"

[wooden flax]

i wanted to do that in my first sem but was too chicken

[vivid halo]

in my case I was too goofy and autistic to realize that maybe I did not need to take intro to proofs

[wooden flax]

so you legitimately thought you needed intro to proofs?

the imposter syndrome is crazy lol

[latent edge]

First time at class, the students were extremely confused I was attending the class. They were like "are u in the wrong class" and I was like "no im in the right class wdym"

[wooden flax]

my intro to proofs prof didnt know intro to proofs

it was a funny class

like 5 students total

[vivid halo]

I mean my thinking at the time was "well it's on their list of hard required courses, and the academic advisors said I need to take it"

and I didn't know that you could just like

skip things lol

[wooden flax]

fair

based prof

[vivid halo]

yeah they were both great

[latent edge]

I remember arguing with academic advisors and them warning my about skipping calculus classes and that "I will fail"

bro just let me take it

[vivid halo]

[latent edge]

AAAAA

[vivid halo]

ooooh so this is why you can't compute the class of \bar{M}_{0,n} in K_0(Var) I remember this calc lesson very vividly

[wooden flax]

did you know algebra at the time

[vivid halo]

yes

[wooden flax]

or was UGCT

[latent edge]

LMFAO

[vivid halo]

fun story was I completely forgot that we had an abstract algebra midterm one day

[visual breach]

Is this actually easy

[vivid halo]

so I showed up my usual 25 minutes late to class

took the exam in 20 minutes

[latent edge]

yes

[wooden flax]

finished in 15 mins

[vivid halo]

for an 80%

[wooden flax]

nice

based

[vivid halo]

shit was jokes he was so annoyed with me haha

[wooden flax]

i had a prof who was that late to class every time last sem

[vivid halo]

oh god

[wooden flax]

but if you got there a second after him he would be pissed LOL

[latent edge]

\bar{M}_{0,n} in K_0(Var) boils down to whether you care enough to do the combinatorics @visual breach

[visual breach]

Students being late vs. Professors being late

Maybe professors are angry when students are late because they also want to be late but cannot becuz class

[vivid halo]

lmao I remember taking a grad course on moduli spaces my first year

[latent edge]

I had a brainfart today computing them until I realized I was mixing up with compactified versions and non compactified ones LMFAO

[vivid halo]

prof got hella stuck in traffic one day and could NOT make it to class

[true zinc]

did you just get up and teach the class

or something

[vivid halo]

texts his PhD student "cover sections X-Y for me"

[wooden flax]

def

[vivid halo]

and he gets up with the most FRIGHTENED look on his face

and he's like UHHHHH

[latent edge]

LOL

[surreal jacinth]

not a funny story at all I dont find that story very funny sorry.

[latent edge]

There is a sad story about the algebraic topology course in my uni getting destroyed

apparently making another fucking course called "CALCULUS FOR ENGINEERING" was more importnat

[visual breach]

Were there no math grad student?

[icy locust]

machine learning!!

[latent edge]

we have calculus for engineering, calculus for finance, calculus (normal)

and a lot of machine learning bullshit

half of these are just bullshit ngl

we had an algebraic geometry class as well

I'm glad my prof is going to start one

a grad course

I can imagine more math classes getting destroyed in the future tbh

[jagged forge]

calculus for finance
hey that's what i'm doing

[latent edge]

wait until you realize it is has no stochastic or finance or whatever you might expect

Literally just normal calculus

[jagged forge]

boring

[visual breach]

Yeah calculus for finance is going to be just, calculus easy mode

[jagged forge]

you haven't seen what im doing then

[visual breach]

Yeah, what you are doing is supercharged compared to what schools think is good enough

[latent edge]

yep

[latent edge]

in terms of difficulty

finance < engineering < normal

in normal calculus you have some proofs

in engineering it's very applied

and finance... lmao

is that even calculus is all what i want to say

[grand oak]

jeesh

[latent edge]

then you have this weird conversation going on with students

"omg calculus 234 was really hard I thought calc 12508545 was way easier"

[jagged forge]

da heck r u waffling about

[grand oak]

[peak tide]

where does "calculus for life sciences" fit into this hierarchy

[flat harbor]

whenever i see children drooling over which order to take courses in for the Optimal Course Strategy

[latent edge]

normal

[flat harbor]

i become radicalised

[latent edge]

we do have 2 stats as well

[peak tide]

ah just different examples ig

[latent edge]

stats for science

and one more

[flat harbor]

i dont like talking to my profs that often but smtimes theyll have mental breakdowns and beg students to just take courses thatare in their academic interests and yea i feel that

[latent edge]

average cs majors be taking econ, english and poli sci for "easy course" and regretting their lives

meanwhile me taking random math courses for no reason at all

[fickle yarrow]

what type of DE is this

[visual breach]

Algebra became boring, do I do analysis

[latent edge]

yep

[serene mauve]

word problems suck

i wonder what pre calc algebra is like

[tough island]

I want to actually get good / have an intuition for math. How do I actually go about understanding rather than memorizing formulas and sequences of steps?

[limber thunder]

visualizing and engaging with many different explanations of the same thing helps. If it's things like HS or freshman year math there's lots of YT videos to watch, there's also wiki and books

[tough island]

Truly appreciate your input and I’ll go ahead and do that!

[tough island]

Off topic but just started caring about maths since I want a PHD in CS. Even though reading random Wikipedia pages isn’t learning math it’s pretty fun seeing a bunch of different concepts. Also learning mathmaticL notation makes everything easier to understand, feels like a cryptic language at first but once I look up a few I didn’t understand the equation makes sense 😂😂

[limber thunder]

right, math notation and the underlying logic are just a language, eventually you get comfy with that and start thinking things in terms of math

[brittle socket]

Hi Derivada

[limber thunder]

for theoretical CS it's especially important to learn anything that can count as "discrete maths" -- graphs, combinatorics etc

[limber thunder]

hello grass

[brittle socket]

Are you derivading?

How's it going

[limber thunder]

not what I'm derivadoing now

[tough island]

I agree! Right now I’m in community college taking my GE I’m trying to find time to both program and learn those higher levels maths before I get to UNI!

[limber thunder]

could be worse just trying to chill while I read about microcontroller stuff

[limber thunder]

nice

[brittle socket]

Microcontroller stuff? Does that have to do with your PhD stuff?

[tough island]

Yup lmao, and it’s hillarious what you call them when you don’t understand. Like upside down A and backwards E 😭

[limber thunder]

so you have plenty of time to get the math down, work on projects, find future grad school options and etc.

[tough island]

Exactly!

[limber thunder]

oh I've had this kinda moment with students lol

[tough island]

You are a professor?

[limber thunder]

but we usually just laugh it off and use the opportunity to learn

[limber thunder]

I was teaching a few math courses last semester

[tough island]

Oh that’s nice how was it?

[limber thunder]

nowadays I'm taking a gap year and considering a career change

towards tech related stuff, maybe electronics/robotics or something along the lines of ML

[tough island]

Ouuuu that would be cool!

What’s making you switch?

[limber thunder]

so I'm learning stuff on my own and trying to found a startup with friends

[limber thunder]

math academia was kinda boring imo I guess I want to work on more tangible/impactful stuff

[tough island]

You are doing big things man wow, I hope you succeed honestly

[limber thunder]

plus I've always liked programming

[tough island]

That’s cool dude haha, well you have the math skill set which is gonna make you extremely

[latent edge]

what kind of startup

[tough island]

Valuable

[limber thunder]

so I would hope lmao

[tough island]

Only recently started caring about maths because not only do I need it for theoretical CS but I also realized it’s much easier to be a mathematician turn programmer than a programmer turned mathematician, in order words programming is a tool and I’ve noticed a lot of famous computer scientist were not JUST computer scientist. So I can’t just be good at coding and that be all my value.

[limber thunder]

we do IoT/AIoT kind of stuff

hardware design, cloud platforms for monitoring, LLM integrations etc

[limber thunder]

right, even in the job market for entry-level positions I think the most "hireable" people tend to be programmers who also have some knowledge of other disciplines, e.g. for data science it might help to know finance if it's for a bank or some other kind of finance firm

[outer spindle]

Thanks, sorry for the super late reply lmao

[limber thunder]

these days I see even social sciences people doing datasci or programming courses

[latent edge]

I was gonna say can I join but u prolly are not looking for people so nvm

[outer spindle]

yeah true, a decent chunk of physics majors i know are minoring in cs

[limber thunder]

we're struggling to make bank right now but appreciate it

what kind of programming do you do actually, I might consider doing projects for fun

[tough island]

Exactly. Like being good at python isn’t useful on its own, even with projects. I have to actually have something to solve and that I can apply programming too otherwise I’m useless, people who can code are abundant, people who can program and have a background in chemistry or physics are gold

[limber thunder]

yep this especially -- physicists here are especially good at coding and data so I also see a lot of people going into that

[latent edge]

good luck lol I worked on a startup project and it was great until the manager bankrupted and fired us all

[limber thunder]

hell the two other people in my startup are phys people who ended up pivoting to tech too

[latent edge]

data science, web dev, embed and graphics

[limber thunder]

oh oof

[latent edge]

some mobile dev too but (it's just web dev in disguise)

[outer spindle]

thats basically the path for physics folks into industry

at least those not pursuing grad studies

[limber thunder]

true lol

[limber thunder]

cool

[outer spindle]

kinda rare seeing math people who code for fun

[limber thunder]

I'm more focused on embedded dev rn but have some webdev projects in mind

[latent edge]

embedded dev is really based

[latent edge]

if you zoom out and look at my projects. They all are math related

the ones im proud of at least

[outer spindle]

still tho

[limber thunder]

oh a lot of applied math people find coding fun lol

also the odd person doing like, formal proofs or computer-assisted stuff in NT or whatever

(a friend of mine recently started a math PhD doing that)

[outer spindle]

i guess, i dont really know many math majors

theres barely any in my uni

in undergrad at least

[latent edge]

the math majors in my uni are nonexistent

[outer spindle]

yeah basically that

in the science school in my uni

majority of the people are cs

followed by ee

im sure thats the case in most places

[latent edge]

my uni is bloated with nursing, premed, cs and engineering

[outer spindle]

my uni doesnt have the first two

[latent edge]

plot twist: all premeds give up eventually

[outer spindle]

but that checks out

pretty much

[outer spindle]

idk dont really have the premed concept where im from

its usually an mbbs program straight after high school

[latent edge]

is it like high school -> medical school

[outer spindle]

for people interested in medicine

[latent edge]

yeah this is nice

[outer spindle]

yeah

[latent edge]

this is a lot better tbh

[outer spindle]

but its really tough to get into a good uni

so people usually take a gap year

[latent edge]

premed is just bullshit ngl

[outer spindle]

to prepare for

the entrance exam

[latent edge]

yeah this is the case as well in my home country

[limber thunder]

so is mine smh

that + law

[latent edge]

oh yeah forgot about law

[limber thunder]

ig most societies are like this actually

[latent edge]

how did I forget that when my uni is famous for law school

[limber thunder]

oh and how can we forget the finance/business bros

[latent edge]

real

[outer spindle]

the law school in my uni is definitely smaller

than the humanities and stem

[limber thunder]

hmhmm right

humanities unis are a thing

[latent edge]

it's really hard to have a normal conversation with a law student, at least in my uni

[outer spindle]

oh yeah, its really fun taking stem courses with them

and thanks to curved grading

[latent edge]

they are hard to approach

[outer spindle]

its easier to get a good grade lmao

[limber thunder]

I guess I've lucked out because most law people I've interacted with are normal

like genuinely good people at best, and just a bit weird at worst

might be just the students though I think lawyers are prone to being insufferable lmao

[latent edge]

most normal people in my uni are history,philosophy and math professors

[outer spindle]

math 💀

thats one of the most hated departments

in my uni

[latent edge]

unironically the math department is really nice

[limber thunder]

in the two ones I've been it's definitely the education majors

most normal people I've ever met

[latent edge]

the cs department tho

[limber thunder]

like white bread and taylor swift fan levels of normal

[outer spindle]

oh god

[limber thunder]

math depts are cool they're usually smol

[latent edge]

yea

I love attending math seminars

Everyone is so welcoming and supportive

[outer spindle]

if you're talking about small i like the physics department more

its a more tight knit community

[latent edge]

oh and the physics department

[outer spindle]

since there are more

than like 1 person

majoring in it

[limber thunder]

yeah math and phys people are chill

[latent edge]

every single physics prof is hyper ultra giga chad ngl

[outer spindle]

bro once i had an online meeting with my physics prof

he was explaining to me

man was legit on the bed

and teaching me

[latent edge]

how is the chem department at ur uni

[limber thunder]

lmao based

[outer spindle]

no clue, there are some decent profs

they have a good

grad school

acceptance rate

[latent edge]

i see

the chem department is insufferable

no matter what you do just dont mess with the chem majors they will get upset immediately

[outer spindle]

somewhat same with bio

i've heard

[limber thunder]

my undergrad's chem dept was full of egotistical boomers tbh

[outer spindle]

that some people have issues

with the professors

[latent edge]

basically this

the head of the department prof has some anger issues smh

[outer spindle]

like especially in terms of misogyny

but i think that is somewhat the case with nat sci

in general

[latent edge]

When I was premed I had a question and was heading to his office hours and before entering I heard him screaming really loud on a student. After witnessing what happened I just turned backwards and was like "lol nope"

[outer spindle]

is that why you dropped out of premed 😭

[latent edge]

kind of yeah

also the fact that everyone around me was so egotistical and proud of cheating

like bro why are u here

???

[outer spindle]

bruh

[limber thunder]

to earn money as med

[latent edge]

LMFAO

[limber thunder]

yeah same kinda attitude in premeds here

[latent edge]

I liked my bio classes tho

[limber thunder]

usually a few chill people though, I'm friends with some

[latent edge]

They were very informative and nice

yeah my only issue is there was just an unhealthy amount of cheating happening and a lot of toxicity overall

grade inflation is real

[outer spindle]

thats kinda crazy

does ur uni not give a crap

[latent edge]

giving a crap? my uni?

no chance lol

[limber thunder]

it's hard to give a crap about cheating, even systematic cheating

like in the short time I was an actual math prof at uni I genuinely couldn't be bothered

[outer spindle]

real, it seems like most unis dont care about students

especially nowadays

they've increased student intake

and people are legit struggling with enrollment

[latent edge]

the cs coop program (which I applied to) is uhhh... the people who are responsible for internships and stuff basically are insufferable overall. For example let's say you find an internship and you tell them you got one, well too bad they will force the company to remove your contract with them

[limber thunder]

would much rather design the course and evaluation as to minimize the incentives for cheating -- e.g. make sure HW answers can't be easily found on the internet, exam questions that require you to explain things in your words etc

[outer spindle]

yeah i guess its hard to give out energy and attention

to these things

[limber thunder]

the issue with cheating is, it's always gonna be an issue

[outer spindle]

huh

why

[latent edge]

let me know if u know why

[limber thunder]

at any given point some genius is going to try to outsmart you and try to cheat, maybe succeed

[outer spindle]

true

[limber thunder]

put any sort of visible effort and it's like students sense that you're trying to prevent cheating, so by a weird psychology thing (us vs. the prof? or whatever) some may feel compelled to cheat anyway

[latent edge]

the only good thing about the coop program is you have an extra board to find jobs but def u are not guaranteed to find one

just good luck competing with 10000 other applicants gg

[limber thunder]

it all becomes a cat and mouse kinda thing and everyone suffers

see e.g. the plethora of tracking programs that exam proctors made people use in the pandemic

annoying to set up, invasive etc

[latent edge]

this is why most students hate math

why? because it's impossible to cheat efficiently

[outer spindle]

pov when you have to put in effort

[latent edge]

esp the proof-based ones

[outer spindle]

man ngl when i took proof based calc

[limber thunder]

kind of my point -- if the exam is well thought out then cheating won't work

[outer spindle]

everyone was copy pasting

solutions from online

meanwhile i was out there struggling to understand what was going on

in my assignments

that course basicalyl wiped me out

[limber thunder]

hell I've seen people lowkey copy-paste thought in irl exams

like, write things from class or TA verbatim even when it doesnt make sense in the exam context

[latent edge]

why do u think the average on online stats is sus high compared to the in-person one?

[outer spindle]

wait how is that cheating tho

thats just bad

answers

but if you remember something

from before

and put it in the paper

[latent edge]

97% class average
hell yeah genius people

[limber thunder]

yeah sorry I'm not saying that is cheating

but it's part of the same kind of logic, try to repeat what some prof said was true

and not reason about why it was true then

[outer spindle]

i guess

bro i remember

[limber thunder]

and what kind of adjustments I should do for the exam problems

[outer spindle]

for my proof based calc midterm

the TAs invigilating

legit put on a sports match

and we all watchec

as we did the exam

in the midterm

[limber thunder]

lmfaoooo

[latent edge]

stress relief

that's a good idea I will do that in my discrete math TAing

[outer spindle]

discrete from cs department

or math department

[latent edge]

general but it is designed for cs yeah

[outer spindle]

im taking that and the one from math department

[latent edge]

it is called computer science concepts but in disguise it is just discrete math and math majors are required to take it

[outer spindle]

which is called intro to formal maths

[outer spindle]

oh

i wish my uni did that

with the cs discrete

its less proof intensive

than math department offering

[latent edge]

yeah a lot of freshmen think this is a coding class then hate their lives cuz it is a math class

[outer spindle]

meanwhile me who wants it for not coding 🤣

[latent edge]

REAL

[limber thunder]

ok I can understand this if it's called "computer science concepts"

[outer spindle]

my goal is try to take as less cs coding electives

as possible

[latent edge]

the only cs concept we cover is surface level induction proofs

[limber thunder]

from that title I'd expect idk, a SWE class or something ok idt SWE is CS but still -- something like algorithms maybe

not discrete math

[outer spindle]

oh for us we also do the contrapositive

and direct proofs

[latent edge]

yeah same

[outer spindle]

tbf for low level cs thats all you need

like undergrad automata

and algorithms

ig

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well im kinda a pseudo-cs major in the sense that I take math classes as my electives, unironically

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lucky

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I'm taking a grad course on measure theory when I did not take any real analysis course in my undergrad at all

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how is it going

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it's good

I like it

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damn man

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what how

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im out here just properly learning proofs

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no epsilon-delta stuff ever

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legit the first experience was traumatic

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and then straight into measure?

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I'm also taking graph theory which I also happen to not taken any prereqs of this class

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I just convinced the prof to let me in

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lol based

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nice

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i heard from my prof that they are considering offering a graph theory course next sem

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tbh if you're comfy with set theory and quantifiers you're done for measure

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i pray that they also offer it with the cs code

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that's pretty much all it is

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since i dont have any free electives left

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well some basic topology at spots

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i chose the role which says i need help with maths but i cant seem to find the help option

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idk I thought if I were to learn something new I don't want to take any undergrad analysis or algebra classes cuz I already know the content

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go to the math help tab

there should be some free

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you can ask your question in an available help channel

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help channels

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it would be nice if i could see one

oh wait i see one

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these

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I see one

thanks

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this sounds nice in practice

but even tho i know these things

idt im gonna do measure theory

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measure theory for haar measures

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unless im super good

which im not

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I wanted to take the harmonic analysis course ngl but the prof didn't take me in

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it's only really useful if you plan to do stuff in pure math that requires it, or if you want to learn probability the proper way

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so I was like "what can I take else that's close to it" then I chose measure

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fair

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like I've seen TCS and finance grads learn measure solely for that lol

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tcs?

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theo cs

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theoretical CS

ye

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is that even a major

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not really

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i mean the stuff u learn in a cs major is theo cs

think of it as pure math but cs

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just a generic distinction for people whose research is about well

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i know

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this

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what theoretical cs is

but just got cinfued

confused

cuz i never heard of a theoretical cs major

i want to explore it tbh but sadly there isn't any work

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do u have undergrad research in ur uni

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being done on it

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yeah just like how a math major isn't per se a "pure math major" -- an undergrad can further specialize and decide to do grad school and research if they decide

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in my uni

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yeah

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I tried so hard getting into a cs one but they gatekeep so hard

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cs research?

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yea

I wanted something to do with lean

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oh cool

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so a math major can then learn datasci and not work in academia
a CS major can just do SWE

but on another hand math or CS majors could then go to grad school and research about their subject

I guess that's why there are no "TCS majors" per se

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i've heard of that software

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yeah ik this much

but wouldnt a math major be better suited

to theoretical cs

than a standard cs major

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like deltoid said the basic theory is already covered in a CS degree and unless you specifically want to get into CS academia you usually don't go beyond that

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yeah thats true

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yes it's not rare for people to go math major -> TCS grad actually

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kind of true for the most part yeah

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I think we have a few of those in this server lol