serious-discussion

[tall vault]

k*

[fresh comet]

this is a general discussion channel :p

[small dust]

i clicked on it and you and sharp were sending messages at discussion 1 pace

plus outsider

[fresh comet]

what I'm actually confused about is why Sharp posted the image here

when all of us were already in discussion 1

[fresh comet]

Outsider doesn't visit discussion often, but is in discussion 2 a lot more

[small dust]

see doesn't it seem like discussion 1

[fresh comet]

that should've been your first sign that smth was amiss

[small dust]

well i'm sorry for not knowing that

[fresh comet]

apology accepted

[fringe summit]

I clicked this one by mistake

[fresh comet]

[fresh comet]

I see

[fringe summit]

goober

[fresh comet]

anything can be discussy if you force it to look like one

case in point: Syrex's channels

[fringe summit]

https://tenor.com/view/thresher-shark-thresher-shark-depth-depthers-gif-27372055

[small dust]

hi i'm a depther

[fresh comet]

Depth...

[fringe summit]

hi

[old oak]

I'm a shallower

[fresh comet]

it's been years since I've seen anything of this game

[fresh comet]

you're an owl, so you fly

[old oak]

We've been over this, I'm not actually an owl.

[fresh comet]

I do not care

you are an owl

and you must accept it

[old oak]

Well I do, because if I attempt to fly I will break at least a few of my limbs

[fringe summit]

I don’t remember what it is

[old oak]

And I could do with keeping them all intact

[fresh comet]

the day you take off, be sure to fly higher!

[fresh comet]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depth_(video_game)

[fringe summit]

Oh right i remember that

[fresh comet]

this is still the most omnious thing I've seen all week

I'm gonna have to think about this some more

[fringe summit]

Real

[safe turret]

hii

[fresh comet]

hi

[cinder zephyr]

https://epubs.siam.org/doi/abs/10.1137/140957123?journalCode=smjcat

[random olive]

hii

[fringe summit]

Cursed

[cinder zephyr]

it's a cool paper

[fringe summit]

It’s nifty, but also super cursed the bounds and such involved

[cinder zephyr]

yea but that's sort of how it goes sometimes

[quasi beacon]

yo i have a weird question

its not a math question

[fringe summit]

I can’t say much when I say “O(f) for some f such that for all sufficiently small \eps we have g(\eps) = \sum f^n(\eps) converges and g -> 0 as \eps does”

[quasi beacon]

(assume all transactions are monitored and everything knows the scheme purpose, you also get some transaction fee from all the transactions that occur)
Suppose you sell a piece of paper for 1 dollar.
Your first friend buys it for 31 dollars and sells it for 61
your second friend buys it for 61 and sells it for 91
your third friend buys it for 91 and sells it for 121...

now imagine other people do the same transaction and the final price of the paper becomes a total of 300 dollars.

Now the person who monitored the transactions and sold the piece of paper got a enough transaction fees so that they could buy the 300 dollars (i think its like 18-20% off each transaction) from the last person and so that all 20 people made money and the owner either breaks even or makes a little profit of his own.

where is the flaw in this?

[cinder zephyr]

more cursed bounds in another paper:

[fringe summit]

Abyssal

[wooden falcon]

Oh interesting to see fibonacci pop up naturally.

there’s nothing more beautiful than a complexity bound /hj

[pearl hornet]

Guuise

When considering the sets

$R^1$×$R^1$ and $R^2$

[fathom swallow]

zigzag

[pearl hornet]

As sets of ordered pairs

Are there problems with saying they are equivalent sets, I think they are

I broigjt it up with a friend today

Upon further inspection I cant think of any problem with representing Rn as the cartesian product of R1 n times

Cus we consider n-dimensional intervals to be just the cartesian product of the n 1-dimensional intervals

[burnt ledge]

it is

[burnt ledge]

thats what Rⁿ is

[pearl hornet]

Good

[limber thunder]

I would consider the cartesian product as exactly that -- and anyway any other sensible definition of it can be identified through a bijection

[pearl hornet]

Glad im not going crayzee

He was confused at converting vectors to points i guess

Like thinking of R2 as a set of vectors

If you consider each vector as an orderer pair its not a problem

Ignore this ramble if it seems silly cus only I knlw the details of the covo I had

[pearl hornet]

Cool

[fresh comet]

I have once seen someone say that the elements of R^2 look like (a.b) while the elements of R x R look like ((a),(b)), but I agree with you here

it can be identified anyways - so why bother?

lmao

[pearl hornet]

hm but RxR would be (a,b) right surely its just the set with first and second member in R

OH

U saying 1-tuple vs a number

(1) vs 1

Hmm

[gusty socket]

what is a 1-tuple

is it different as a set from its contents

[pearl hornet]

Idk Im just calling the thing (a) in higher!s representation of the set RxR a 1-tuple.

But its sort of a dumb concept

[gusty socket]

yeah i’m sort of responding to highers original message anyways

[pearl hornet]

Cus the point of tuples is order

[gusty socket]

since 1-tuples are sort of not defined in the first place

[pearl hornet]

A 1 tuple has 1 possible order

1 way to order 1 thing so dumb concept

[fresh comet]

I will restate that it was not my definition

[gusty socket]

maybe (a) is the singleton containing the singleton containing a

[fresh comet]

I find defining R x R that way to be a waste of time

[pearl hornet]

Whats a singleton is that an insult towards maths students

(Bad joke sorry)

I know i can look it up

[fresh comet]

is there a map from singletons to simpletons?

[pearl hornet]

😔

[gusty socket]

there’s probably a map the other way

[fresh comet]

I am a simpleton

[gusty socket]

higher did you see my burger post

[fresh comet]

what should I get mapped to :kekehands:

[fresh comet]

I did not

what borgar post?

[gusty socket]

burger

[fresh comet]

borgar

[gusty socket]

(OC)

delicious

[fresh comet]

very nice

[gusty socket]

i installed arch linux today

on my experimental laptop

[fresh comet]

oh?

what for?

[gusty socket]

just because i wanted to

learn a bit more how linux works yk

i learned a few cool things

[fresh comet]

fair enough

[limber thunder]

nice

[fresh comet]

I don't know anything about operating systems

[unborn meteor]

you need to learn

[gusty socket]

i went from partitioning my disk 3 times to setting up xorg and getting a gui up and running (though maybe i should just leave it as a command line because i’m not even gonna do anything with a gui anyways)

on that laptop

[limber thunder]

it can be useful if you're working with data or just for programming (learning to set up and use gnu/Linux I mean

[limber thunder]

[gusty socket]

it’s the first time i got excited about computer stuff in a long while tbh

also i learned about the reisub system request thing

which was funny

[limber thunder]

yeah tinkering with Linux is fun

[limber thunder]

huh I had no idea about this

[visual breach]

gnu/linux

[limber thunder]

idt my arch system has froze that bad

and if it did I'd probably just hard reboot

[gusty socket]

someone told me today about it, i think it’s useful for me because i’m on a low power laptop running a billion processes on ubuntu

[limber thunder]

oh I see

[gusty socket]

i also learned that there’s a used parts shop that gets old lab parts like every week, so i’m gonna go and see if i can get parts to build shit with

exciting stuff

or just generally workspace stuff

like they just have everything like furniture and sometimes cool shit

[limber thunder]

oh that's very cool

[gusty socket]

so i’m gonna go when they’re open, like maybe tuesday

[limber thunder]

a friend of mine has a huge like 50kg oscilloscope from the 60s

used to belong to our undergrsds physics lab

[gusty socket]

maybe we have the same friend lol

i have a roommate who got an oscilloscope from a thrift store

housemate*

(you could interpret that as him being my roommate and getting the housemate from the thrift store, which is also acceptable)

[burnt ledge]

"I use Linux as my operating system," I state proudly to the unkempt, bearded man. He swivels around in his desk chair with a devilish gleam in his eyes, ready to mansplain with extreme precision. "Actually", he says with a grin, "Linux is just the kernel. You use GNU+Linux!' I don't miss a beat and reply with a smirk, "I use Alpine, a distro that doesn't include the GNU coreutils, or any other GNU code. It's Linux, but it's not GNU+Linux."

The smile quickly drops from the man's face. His body begins convulsing and he foams at the mouth and drops to the floor with a sickly thud. As he writhes around he screams "I-IT WAS COMPILED WITH GCC! THAT MEANS IT'S STILL GNU!" Coolly, I reply "If windows was compiled with gcc, would that make it GNU?" I interrupt his response with "-and work is being made on the kernel to make it more compiler-agnostic. Even you were correct, you wont be for long."

With a sickly wheeze, the last of the man's life is ejected from his body. He lies on the floor, cold and limp. I've womansplained him to death.

[wise wagon]

Probably a long shot, but does anyone happen to know julia and could give me a hand?

It's probably a pretty simple fix, but I'm super new to julia and have no idea where I've gone wrong.

[static loom]

try chatgpt

[unborn meteor]

niceee

[unborn meteor]

LPL

[wise wagon]

Nah, chatgpt can't fix it annoyingly lol

[limber thunder]

I started learning Julia a while ago but am decent at debugging

can't know whether we're of help if you don't ask your question though

also try #computing-software ?

[wise wagon]

Ah true, thanks. I didn't see there was a computer software channel.

I might chuck my q in there

[unborn sleet]

@open flower
Hey it just occured to me after you closed the question, if you replace that 1 on the diagonal by 0. the argument for C should work and the rest of the question didn't rely on that fact so it remains correct 👀

[brazen mulch]

!nogpt

[quasi jetty]

Please do not trust ChatGPT or similar AI tools for mathematical tasks, as they often generate output which "sounds correct" but has numerous factual or logical errors. Use of these AI tools to answer other people's help questions is strictly against server rules (see #rules).

[brazen mulch]

(finally, a joke)

[static loom]

🤓

[jaunty ibex]

I was literally writing the non-NSFW words until I read what was written below

[small dust]

i only saw the nsfw words

[jaunty ibex]

I resisted my intrusive thoughts

[small dust]

maybe i should do that more

[gritty crater]

Damn. You shouldn't show the answer below

[north topaz]

I mean.... it was just an example for secret

I didn't think people would actually be interested in solving it

[gritty crater]

Well, you need to think hard to come up with the words that is not NSFW

[north topaz]

what word starts with n and ends with r

that's what you said

[small dust]

<@&268886789983436800>

[steel mantle]

let me review

Alright thanks

[brazen mulch]

damn

1. ||boots||
2. ||fandom||
3. ||funk||
4. ||pints||
5. ||purse||
6. ||sax||

I demand being judged as correct

[north topaz]

I like your answers

I would give you 6/6 if I could

[brazen mulch]

thank you

alternatively,
4. ||punks||

[small dust]

i can only think of one thing for 4

[brazen mulch]

die

[steel mantle]

That post wasn't appropriate for here

Don't post sexually referential content please

[faint scaffold]

hello
I'm new, from Hong Kong and I am studying course for us preparing for calculus 🙂
I'm in year 1

[fresh comet]

hey there! welcome to mathcord!

good luck with your calculus course!

just a heads up: if you want to ask calculus related questions, you can either open a help channel (see #❓how-to-get-help ) or you can post your questions to #calculus

[north topaz]

hope your studies go well no matter where you end up studying in future

||your profile screams 巴士迷 to me, btw||

[pearl hornet]

Guise

Is the definition of a subcollection, that. If F is a collectiom of sets, and G is a subcollection of F, then all sets in G must be a subset of some set in F

Cus im wondering if every set in G has to be exactly the same as a set in F

Like {1,2} only subsets are of form {1} and {2} obviously empty set aseell and itself

But for {{1,2},{3,4}} is {{1},{2}} a subcollection basically

For use in proving Lindelöf covering theorem

I got a countable set of n-balls that are all a subset of at least one set in a collection F so is the set of n-balls a subcollection of F by definiton

[old oak]

That's not a definition I'm used to, to me "G is a subcollection of F" means "G is a subset of F"

A collection of sets is just a set of sets, except a lot of people use the word "collection" to avoid having to use the word "set" all the time.

Especially once you start talking about sets of sets of sets

So I wouldn't consider {{1},{2}} to be a subcollection of {{1,2},{3,4}}

{{1,2}} would be a subcollection

[pearl hornet]

I see

Thats problematic for the proof in this book

[old oak]

The book might use a different defintion of subcollection.

[somber stone]

does anyone know where i can get some chemistry help 😎💯🔥😭✌️

[plain grail]

Hii does anyone know how to decrypt letters with no key
These are letters For each word
Nydx-oiia-djwqqwru
It’s in response to this riddle “I am a slippery fellow, what did I lose?”

[pearl hornet]

😦

[old oak]

But the Lindelof covering theorem uses subcollection in the sense in which I used it.

If G is a collection of open sets which covers a subset S of R^n, then there exists a countable subcollection F (i.e. every set in F also belongs to G) which covers S.

[faint scaffold]

my course is an 1+3 degree course
year 1 is only general education on precalculus atm
like functions and those things

[fresh comet]

what is the Lindelöf covering theorem?

I've never heard of this before

[old oak]

@fresh comet this

[fresh comet]

oh I see

[old oak]

In more general phrasing, R^n has the Lindelof property (which is basically a weaker version of compactness; with "countable" instead of "finite")

[fresh comet]

but R^n is 2nd countable

and 2nd countability implies the Lindelof property by default

no?

[old oak]

Which helps a lot in having the Lindelof property, yes.

But historically the Lindelof theorem predates the notion of second-countability

[fresh comet]

I see

[old oak]

Just like the Bolzano-Weierstrass theorem predates the notion of compactness

[neat lintel]

Yes, 2nd countability implies Lindelof (but Lindelof does not imply second-countability)

[fresh comet]

I am aware

hmm, there was a question I asked a while ago but didn't get any answers

is there a characterization for 2nd countability?

[pearl hornet]

Maybe Im just misunderstanding the proof

[north topaz]

really? they definitely have calculus in DSE, M1 and M2

[neat lintel]

A funny way to make a Lindelof that isn't second-countable is to take an arbitrary non-second countable space, add a new point {x} and make the new open sets be the original ones + the whole space

[fresh comet]

I have seen that Lindelof + 1st countable + separable is still not enough to imply 2nd countability... so what does?

[faint scaffold]

I took Compulsory Part only

:((

[north topaz]

ohhhhhhh I see

[fresh comet]

@neat lintel @old oak do you two know of any conditions?

[old oak]

Not me, sorry

[fresh comet]

or do I have to resort to finding a countable basis

[old oak]

I don't do much in the way of non-metric topology, and a metric space is second-countable if and only if it's separable.

[pearl hornet]

You have a countable set of n-balls which covers a set, and you also have an open covering F of the set, so assign each n-ball to one member of F and you get a countable subcollection of F, this is proper reasoning right

[fresh comet]

metric spaces are interesting

2nd countablility, the Lindelof property, and separability are all equivalent

[north topaz]

compactness maybe? no idea

[old oak]

Yep, metric spaces are very decent.

And perfectly normal.

[fresh comet]

[pearl hornet]

Apostol introduced metric spaces next

[fresh comet]

I don't think this'll work

[pearl hornet]

Excited for those

[old oak]

https://math.stackexchange.com/a/2650726

Example of compact space which isn't even first-countable

[fresh comet]

[north topaz]

not compactness alone I mean

but thx

[plain grail]

I’ll give nitro to anyone who can help decrypt some letters

[fresh comet]

I wonder if 1st countability + separability + compactness is enough to imply 2nd countability

[old oak]

@north topaz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_space

All metric spaces (and hence all metrizable spaces) are perfectly normal Hausdorff;

[north topaz]

oh right that's what normal means in topology

[fresh comet]

oh I thought south sullied you for making a bad joke

[old oak]

It's an excellent joke

[fresh comet]

do not sully me you owl

[north topaz]

I did

[fresh comet]

see!

I was right

[old oak]

I'm in my 40s, I'm allowed to make bad dadjokes

In fact I might be required to

[fresh comet]

fair

fwiw, I find your jokes very funny

[north topaz]

you're the same age as a lot of my profs then

[fresh comet]

but maybe that says more about me than you

a lot of people told me my humor is like that of a dad or uncle

and I don't even know what to make of it

[jagged forge]

do you like stupid puns

[neat lintel]

I found in pi-base that being weakly Lindelof and having a sigma-locally finite base implies 2nd countability

[fresh comet]

fantastic, two properties which I know nothing about

time to learn I guess

[fresh comet]

I do!

[fresh comet]

this is not direct at you btw Bequi

[neat lintel]

https://topology.pi-base.org/properties/P000062

[old oak]

I think the takeaway is that second-countability doesn't have a great alternative characterization.

[fresh comet]

thank you

[old oak]

It's just "has a countable base"

[neat lintel]

Also second countable implies having a sigma-locally finite base

So weakly Lindelof and having a sigma-locally finite base is equivalent to Second countable

[fresh comet]

interesting

I have much to learn

thank you Bequi and Outsider

[neat lintel]

In particular weakly lindelof is weaker than lindelof

So you could also just say

Lindelof + having a sigma-locally finite base is equivalent to Second countable

[neat lintel]

So you just need to add sigma-locally finite base to this (and can remove some of them and weaken lindelofness)

[old oak]

I wonder if any subject comes close to point set topology in terms of how many named properties there are.

[fresh comet]

[neat lintel]

This reminds me of something but I don't know if I can find it

[old oak]

For the avoidance of doubt, I quite like point set topology

[fresh comet]

I wonder how many terms fields like logic have

[old oak]

Even though most of my work is in the tame world of metrizable spaces

[light horizon]

I might believe group theory?

[neat lintel]

I remember seeing a theorem spanning several pages about a massive amount of topological properties that are equivalent under some conditions

Each line a property

[fresh comet]

my goodness

[old oak]

Ergodic theory has like 7 versions of mixing, but I think that's the only weirdly excessive moment

[fresh comet]

do you have a source for where I can read about this?

I'm curious now

perhaps morbidly so

[neat lintel]

I might be able to find it if I try to find it

[fresh comet]

it's no problem if you can't

[light horizon]

I feel like ergodic theory isn't super heavy on jargon

[fresh comet]

I'm just intrigued

[light horizon]

I think Dami has shared some 4 page long differential geometry theorem he saw in a book or something lol

[neat lintel]

Is the statement of the theorem 4 pages long?

[old oak]

Yeah, I think so too; I also started thinking of joinings, but the various types of joinings are distint classes rather than a collection of almost-the-same-but-subtly-different properties with an intricate web of implications

[fresh comet]

is this the one where there was like 30 equivalent conditions?

I think that was a dynamics book, actually

[old oak]

So there's a lot of named joinings but they're not a blur

[fresh comet]

idr though

@light horizon was it this?

the following thirty-one statements hold

[old oak]

The following thirty-one statements dreamed up by the utterly deranged

[fresh comet]

:kekehands:

absolute psychopathy

hold on, let me find the whole theorem

[old oak]

That said, my recent paper at one point establishes that a certain triple of elements satisfies a list of properties labelled (a)-(n)

So maybe I shouldn't throw stones

But at least it's a highly technical auxiliary lemma rather than a main theorem

And I can blame that madness on my co-author, since he came up with the lemma.

[fresh comet]

always shifting the blame

[old oak]

The key to success

[fresh comet]

next time I fail smth, I'll blame someone else instead

surely nothing will go wrong

[old oak]

I mean, it was accepted for publication, so there's not that much blame to be shifted.

In fact putting in stuff like that is a good way to avoid rejection, because some reviewers will just glaze over and not verify each line too carefully.

"it's so complicated, it must be true"

[fresh comet]

I was just messing around :p

I didn't actually mean it haha

[old oak]

I know!

[tender cobalt]

What the actual fuck

That looks like some shit id see on Ancient Aliens or some shit

Thirty one statements is masochist work

[fresh comet]

@old oak the 31 consequences in question

[old oak]

Proof: these are all trivial

[random valve]

can anyone help me understand POTENTIAL DIFFERENCE? (high school level)

[fresh comet]

I'll give Federer credit: it seems like he actually bothers to prove a lot of these in detail

the next 20 or so pages are just filled with the proof of this theorem

[vast wraith]

randomly stumbled upon in the mathematics section at my uni’s natural sciences library

VIVE LA FRANCE !

😭

[old oak]

I can't tell whether that's irony

1918 was quite some time after Waterloo

[vast wraith]

published in 1960

quite a politically heated time

probably not a joke

still very weird to come across while i was looking for another book

namely:

[glossy crescent]

Forall discrete thoughts there exists an induction proof

[vast wraith]

Rota in particular writes very interesting essays

introduction of the titular essay

...which is just two and a half pages long

[icy heron]

Rota has written both Discrete Thoughts and Indiscrete Thoughts? What's the difference?

[vast wraith]

indiscrete is 13 years later, different set of essays latter seems also to be exclusively rota, while discrete also contains ones by kac and by schwarz

WOOOPS i can't arithmetiv

[icy heron]

I've read about half of indiscrete, and there are some interesting anecdotes there, but I've gotten to the part where he starts ranting on philosophy and math, and I just got too bored to continue

[vast wraith]

9 years later

[vast wraith]

haha i get that

[icy heron]

maybe I should pick up discrete thoughts

[glossy crescent]

Hiii good thanks, you? 🥰

[vast wraith]

if i stumble upon something particularily interesting (and if i remember) i can ping you with it if you like

[icy heron]

Yes please! 🙏

[glossy crescent]

괜찮-은...?

Were you trying to say 괜찮아요?

lol

괜찮아요 = I'm okay

[steep mountain]

reminds me of this

might be useful in certain context but was happily intruiged by the relationships

[gusty socket]

this is my favorite kind of theorem lol

[neat lintel]

That is minuscle compared to the one I mentioned

Unfortunately I think it'd take me literal hours to try to find it

is there anyone good in linear algebra that could perhaps help me been struggling with the same question for over an hour

[old oak]

OK, but that's just alternative characterizations of compactness in a metric space

Not a jumble of 31 facts

[steep mountain]

yeah i never saw that long of a list yet

usually the equivalences are pretty tame

one may wonder how many of the 31 is actually useful

[old oak]

It's very dangerous to raise the issue of usefulness in higher mathematics.

If you think too hard, the answer always turns out to be "none of it"

[steep mountain]

yeah its mostly that sometimes a certain charachterization is so usefull

that the original actual definition is pretty obsolete

im trying to remember a good example

okay idk if this even counts as a charachterization lol but the weak* topology

its just pointwise convergence of linear functionals

while its defined as a topology generated by certain semi-norms initially

[vast wraith]

from Rota's essay simply titled Ulam:

Mathematics is a cruel profession. Solving a mathematical problem is for most mathematicians an ardous and lengthy process which may take years, even a lifetime. The final conquest of the truth comes, if ever, inevitably tinged with disillusion, soured by the realization of the ultimate irrelevance of all intellectual endeavor.

his writing in general seem to be very much put on edge, while amusing it's also a bit tiresome

[fresh comet]

don't sweat it

I don't need to know, I was just curious haha

[jaunty ibex]

Average day in algebraic geometry land

[slow jewel]

how do I get picture posting permissions 🥺

[fresh comet]

you need the Active role, at the very least

[slow jewel]

what math class in college covers taking Gradients of Matrices?

[slow jewel]

ah I see

[slow jewel]

like it gives calc3 vibes + linear algebra squashed together

but I swear none of those classes covered gradients of matrices

[jaunty ibex]

Vector calculus

[slow jewel]

is that calc 4?

my university doesn't have a course called "vector calculus"

[jaunty ibex]

Idk what calc 4 covers

Cor example calc 3 here covers algebraic geometry

Just depends on the institution

[slow jewel]

got it

[fresh comet]

[static shuttle]

in the traditional sense in North America, calc 4 corresponds to vector calculus yes (typically calc 1 = review of precalc/limits/differentiation, calc 2 = integrals/series, calc 3 = multivariable, calc 4 = vector calculus)

[fallen tide]

hhhh diffrential geometry vu

[jaunty ibex]

Not kidding lol

Alg geo propaganda

[fresh comet]

[jaunty ibex]

Epsilon deltas or algebraic projective varieties

Choose your poison

my calc course: both

[vast wraith]

so swag

[neat lintel]

You talk about algebraic geometry in your calc course?

[jaunty ibex]

We talked about algebraic de rham cohomology yes

algebraic project varieties

etc

Conic sections

Sheaves

A weed out class btw

[neat lintel]

I wish I had such courses at my university

[jaunty ibex]

I wish such course did not exist in my uni

weeding out philosophy is toxic

[neat lintel]

Well, that is true, I agree

[fresh comet]

agreed

[jaunty ibex]

(Thank you capitalism)

[fresh comet]

[steep mountain]

tf is weed out class

like a class thats meant only for best to pass

[fresh comet]

a class that's used to weed people people out of the program

real analysis is often a candidate

[steep mountain]

okay yeah that class is metric topology here

[fresh comet]

there's a few too many weed out courses for my liking here

[jaunty ibex]

A class designed to be difficult on purpose to fail people

[limber thunder]

idk I get the impression that any hard class is called "weedout" by the students

[steep mountain]

i know a person who is on his 4th attempt

[fresh comet]

this is a fair assessment

[limber thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-sonic-frontiers-skill-issue-gif-27207724

[fresh comet]

but I think a class with a 50+% drop out rate is too much to just be considered "hard"

[limber thunder]

esp if it's coupled with bad prof reviews

[steep mountain]

sometimes its just the students fault but sometimes it's genuinely the professor is a bad teacher

[limber thunder]

I get the point some uni courses are just a crap experience

[jaunty ibex]

Especially when you have "calc 3" and what you actually do is a combination of baby calc 3/differential geometry and heavy algebraic geometry

[fresh comet]

the 4th year complex analysis course here went from 30 to 5 students last year

and it was filled with bright UGs and grad students

[limber thunder]

for things like real analysis or topology, previous courses should ideally build up to it

[fresh comet]

I'm not quite sure what happened there

[jaunty ibex]

Deltoid would be sad about this

[limber thunder]

like don't just teach calc or discrete math or whatever but make sure students learn proofs and abstract thinking along the way

[jaunty ibex]

Complex analysis is really nice

They did it dirty

[steep mountain]

students can defo recognize hard classes but good professors, like we had lagrangian mechanics with low pass rates but rarely will people call it the professors fault cause the man does his absolute best at explaining a difficult topic

[limber thunder]

the problem is, this is a matter of pedagogy and not syllabus content so it's hard to write it down lol

[jaunty ibex]

Weed out classes are a thing. It's not really just "difficult for students" or a skill issue

[steep mountain]

and sometimes the class is too easy you dont feel satisfied haha

[fresh comet]

yes, I would've called my linear algebra classes hard but good classes

[steep mountain]

group theory moment

[fresh comet]

this is also true

[jaunty ibex]

All of linear algebra

Real analysis after the famous weeding out class

At least real analysis was not bad. I found out that I love analysis that moment

Even though it was another weed out class and everyone was destroyed

[steep mountain]

[jaunty ibex]

You gotta net it out

Take something easy like graph theory with a weed out class to cope

[steep mountain]

that depends on the graph theory class

there is definitely some difficult graph theory, especially at the advanced level

[jaunty ibex]

Graph theory for mathematicians

We had graph theory for computer scientists (weed out class)

[pearl hornet]

Bruh my entire yeargroup at uni cut from 100+ to ~30 after 1 year (not even hard stuff) 💀

[steep mountain]

like diestel book type of graph theory would not be the easiest class imo

fun af

but needs effort

[jaunty ibex]

I definitely liked applying algebraic topology to graph theory

So many black magic that I love

Algebraic topology was already a "love at first sight" field

[steep mountain]

imo the combinatorics part of graph theory is hella fun on its own too

i think my favorite type of proofs are regarding hamiltonian paths

[pearl hornet]

International mathematics olympiad imo

[steep mountain]

its so fun

[jaunty ibex]

for some reason, combinatorics is always the MVP of hard math classes

It's really fun yeah but also very frustrating

I need to learn a bit of measure theory and functional analysis

I learned a bit from my number theory textbooks but I feel like I still have some gap to fill in

[steep mountain]

yeah those are the gateway to good analysis

especially on the probability or operator theory end

the fun applied stuff needs some dank banach space analysis

[jaunty ibex]

probability

[steep mountain]

which was a bit difficult for me initially too

[jaunty ibex]

BANACH SPACES MENTIONED

I love banach spaces

[steep mountain]

yeah those are fun, the dank part is like when you start to discuss differentiation on banach spaces

it opens up a lot of fun shit in optimization and dynamics

which in turn opens up the fun PDE stuff

outside the theory

[jaunty ibex]

Unironically I never touched anything besides L^2 and L^inf

Maybe a bit of L^4

[steep mountain]

well you only really need a couple spaces

you can usually move between them by a process called interpolation

so you can afford the ristriction

[jaunty ibex]

what's interpolation

is it like moving to another space with the cost of some restrictions

[steep mountain]

for L^p spaces its basically asking what happens between L^p and L^q

if you are L^p and L^q are you in L^r for p<r<q

[jaunty ibex]

f: L^p -> L^q?

[jaunty ibex]

oh

Interesting

Soo many analysis stuff I don't know yet

[steep mountain]

yeah its literally just asking what happens between your spaces

the only issue with interpolation is that its quite technical

so it tends to scare people off lol

[jaunty ibex]

technicality moment

[steep mountain]

initially that was my reaction too

but now i appreciate it

[jaunty ibex]

that's the same thing with like

Analytic continuation

The idea is beautiful but the technical details are annoying

Especially when you have a weird function

[steep mountain]

ouf yeah, i dont even remember the details just the main idea

i should probably revisit it in rudin

im at the point where i dont encounter enough CA that i get tempted to avoid it

[jaunty ibex]

real

[steep mountain]

the most i end up using it is in spectral shit

but that doesn't require that much CA

[jaunty ibex]

I find myself doing a lot of CA

spectral theory is amazing

The hidden world of linear algebra

[steep mountain]

depends on the field, the things i study happen a lot in R or vector spaces over R/C

which you dont need to know the depth of CA to do

like i had to use a fair bit of it in FA tbf

[jaunty ibex]

When the problem reduces to cauchy residue or rouche: satisfaction level ^^^^^

[steep mountain]

morera, study of space of holomorphic functions, distributions definitely neef CA

but then it faded away

[jaunty ibex]

morera

There is still some stuff I don't know in CA

It's mostly geometric stuff

Complex manifolds

I don't really encounter them so I don't care much

But they look interesting

[steep mountain]

the geometry is cool af but for me personally the maximum principle is one of the coolest shit tbh

[jaunty ibex]

REAL

[steep mountain]

its like one of those things that you learn but only after a bit realize how insanely powerful it is

[jaunty ibex]

Yeah this is really true

[steep mountain]

instead my ca class focused on residue , roche and complex integration 🛏️

[jaunty ibex]

I initially thought it was just whatever

[jaunty ibex]

Well to be fair these are important as well

Did you guys do transformations?

Riemann mappings, mobius transformations etc

I'm realizing now how useful they can be

[steep mountain]

yeah like i think its fair to include those but its definitely sleeper topics, nah i dont think we did too much of it

it was like the usual power series/differentiation/cauchy reimann, maximum principle, analytic continuity , comformal mapping, integration + residue + rouche

[jaunty ibex]

the average ca class

[steep mountain]

the professor was a fan of rudins RCA for a couple topics

so its what i ended up using as well

hence didnt get to see much of the geometry

and "fun number theory stuff"

[jaunty ibex]

wow that's so sad

[steep mountain]

altho im seeing them while studying harmonic analysis in the form of learning about p adics

[jaunty ibex]

geometric stuff get fun when you look at complex manifolds and cursed stuff like "contour integration in C^n"

and for number theory, <enter analytic number theory>

[jaunty ibex]

nice

[steep mountain]

yeah i heard CA in higher dimensions is cool af, but thats a sea i wont touch for a while lmao

[jaunty ibex]

I don't have good starting points for these stuff

I would love to dig deeper

[steep mountain]

usually i try to find a onlinr course, not cause i want a course

but cause it lists prerequisites

or previous classes

and thats usually my assesment

[jaunty ibex]

the pain of prereqs

[steep mountain]

if i know the prereqs ile find a book and dig in

having a solid foundation definitely help

nothing beats the feeling

of being interested in a topic

and seeing you know all whats required to study it

[jaunty ibex]

[steep mountain]

welp, its getting late so ile be taking my leave, good talk

[jaunty ibex]

cya have a nice day

[indigo storm]

Im so cooked with something bout geometry 😔 i made a help ticket lets see if I can finally solve it

[burnt dune]

u need what?

what's that

[indigo storm]

Its in #1277771466405970021

[tough island]

Guys how do I understand the WHY'S to algebra so I can actually understand what Im doing in class instead of following random steps and then getting stuck when the step didn't work

or I can't apply that step to another problem

[wild lantern]

A lot of it is just reading your book and doing a lot of exercises from it.

Math is based on this thing called the axiomatic method

We make a bunch of assumptions called axioms, we see what things follow logically from them.

To do this you have to know "the rules of the game"

As far as what things you're assuming and how you can combine those things to infer new things.

Most of the calculations and stuff you do in algebra are meant to be short toy examples to help illustrate some idea easily within this kind of framework.

[limber thunder]

one thing that might help is explaining each step in your own words -- if you're unsure about why we do a certain thing or what is done in some step you can ask teachers or people here

[tough island]

I mean I think I understand why we do some stuff, I understand doing what you do to one side to the other, I understand how and why clearing fractions works. I just get incredibly stuck when I see slightly new stuff

Algebra is killing me right now and the worst part is 50% of my errors are extremely dumb mistakes out of simply having a poor working memory

[tough island]

I see, okay I guess I just need to grind more

[wild lantern]

What derivada said is pretty relevant as far as clearing up misunderstandings and confusions go.

If you're not understanding a problem or a part of your book it's good to ask somebody more knowledgable than you about it to help clear up the issue.

[tough island]

Alright understood, thank you guys!

[red anvil]

What is it like having a mu alpha theta chapter at your highschool? I'm thinking of asking my school to open one up. What's it like? Do you guys like it?

[eternal crow]

,,\mu\alpha\theta

[fathom swallow]

רי-ית

[eternal crow]

Wait… math?

MA$\Theta$

[fathom swallow]

רי-ית

[eternal crow]

$\mu\alpha\theta\eta\mu\alpha\tau\iota\kappa\alpha$

[fathom swallow]

רי-ית

[thick zealot]

Hi guys I would like to prepare for the harvard exam, and in the section of theory groups recommend these books, I'm reading the dummit and Foote, but the book that says the theory of representation I have not understood much that other books recommended to serve as a complement please :D

[static shuttle]

two common recommendations are Serre's "Linear Representations of Finite Groups" and Fulton & Harris "Representation Theory". I prefer the latter though it's a bit harder in terms of prerequisites I think

[brave flare]

One of my classes next semester will be about non-archimedian fields and subsequently berkovich spaces/geometry. This is a completely new field to me and it doesn't seem like there are even that many publications about it, do any of you have some (free) material to check out before going into the class?

One of my classes next semester will be about non-archimedian fields and subsequently berkovich spaces/geometry. This is a completely new field to me and it doesn't seem like there are even that many publications about it, do any of you have some (free) material to check out before going into the class?

[surreal sapphire]

the nlab article lists a few references, so why not check those: https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/Berkovich+space#references

personally i would just email the lecturer

i have no idea what berkovich spaces are, but non-archimedian fields are very commonly studied, so there will be plenty of material for that at least

looking at this article though, seems like such a class would have to assume strong background in AG and non-archimedian fields already...

[narrow talon]

Solve for x⁴ + 3x³ - 2x² + 3x + 1 = 0

(4 Integer solutions)

[hardy iron]

!help

[quasi jetty]

To ask for mathematics help on this server, please open your own help channel or help thread. See #❓how-to-get-help for instructions.

[sinful shell]

HELO

[narrow talon]

I wasnt asking for help

Wanted to see how you guys solve it

Lol

(I already have solutions)

[hardy iron]

Rational roots test

[bright hill]

whoa

james with a decent ass bed time?

during the summer??

impossible

[deep mango]

is james in eu?

[old oak]

Four integer ones?

[bright hill]

bruh

how do you not know

[deep mango]

...

why would i know

[bright hill]

he told us in the fat server

sully

[deep mango]

i didnt read that

ill look

oh ok

[dusty osprey]

HELO

[narrow talon]

Ones?

Yes one digit numbers

[old oak]

That's very impressive

[narrow talon]

Ok I'll just show it ngl

[bold carbon]

the coefficients are symmetric, so we know that the map x -> 1/x maps roots to roots

a trick is to divide by x^2 and then you get a quadratic in x+1/x

[narrow talon]

Yep

[analog abyss]

It doesn’t have any integer roots
By rational root test, they’d have to be +-1, but neither work

[quiet geode]

why do we multiply the permutations of independent events together?

[narrow talon]

Wait dont tell me I wrote the wrong one down

Yep wrote down the wrong one

Its over

See you in the grave

[quiet geode]

or minor trials of a major experiment that is done successively (successively again sorta mean theres dependency so doesnt this kinda makes it recursive?)

is it solely to associate the empirical observations with an operator that best explains the magnitude of the outcomes?

am i stuck in the specificality of things here and overlooking the generality?

atleast in terms of the objects i chose to explain my situation (which means i couldve framed my question in a much cleaner way?)

<@&286206848099549185>

nevermind its an insanely stupid question

[neat lintel]

[quiet geode]

treated it as some kind of unshakeable formula

where i couldve just replaced it with repeated addition which would mean i am changing the meaning i was previously internally associating with operands even though they may appear the same(?) symbolically

down to the preferred way of counting perhaps

multiplication has a distributive property unlike additon

so

its like

2×2×2

can go like

(1+1)×(1+1)×(1+1)

why do i not get those child-like kicks thinking about math as i used to

@psychiatrists

surprised we dont have a dedicated team of psychiatrists to this server like we have of helpers

[rapid kiln]

why do we need though?

[quiet geode]

QED

[rapid kiln]

erm?

what have you proved?

[quiet geode]

Meaty's alt

[true zinc]

What-

[rapid kiln]

can you elaborate what you mean?

[quiet geode]

left as an exercise for the reader

[rapid kiln]

that was funny

rlly

[quiet geode]

i am numb, sorry / thank you

[quiet geode]

i wonder if this is even the basis of all

[narrow talon]

Meaty's alt

[tawdry pecan]

Meaty salt

[neat lintel]

Me a ty salt (I am a salt that is used to thank you)

[icy locust]

Mea ty salt

[neat lintel]

That's salty...

[vivid sable]

Can somebody recommend a set of tools/software they are using for their math studies (see some more details below), like a math tech stack. I would be curious to exchange info and maybe discover some new useful tools.

These points would be interesting:
-software for taking hand-written (digital/on tablet) notes for math-heavy studies
-tools used for math studies in general (e.g. wolfram alpha, matematica, desmos, geogebra)
-tools/software for network learning: creating thematic summaries for different branches of mathematics (e.g. calculus, discerete mathematics, complex analysis); the main goal here would be to be able to interlink different theorems & effectively capture how different advanced concepts relate

I would appreciate any input or help

[tawdry spindle]

Latex

[sturdy gulch]

I just started learning Python a bit ago and x = x+1
And a = b doesnt mean b = a has been quite an interesting experience

[sturdy gulch]

TeX can be handwritten?

[gritty crater]

In programming "=" sign is an entirely different thing

It is an assignment operator

[sturdy gulch]

Yeah I know it's just a weird adjustment
Understand why they'd do that though

Isn't there an actual equals operator or smth like ==

[gritty crater]

Yeah, == is comparison operator like = in math

[old oak]

Except in JavaScript

[gritty crater]

Why JavaScript is always different from the rest of the world 😔

[dusky frost]

because everyone uses it so they can do whatever they please

[tame egret]

Indeed

[sonic sentinel]

has anyone had success using ai generated quizzes

i tried using gizmo a while back and the outputs were well...

stunningly bad; they would have done better just seperating the front and back sides by the question marks

[neat lintel]

Honestly it’s hit or miss with ai atp

I’ve used chat gpt for geography and it was awful

but for science quizzes it’s tolerable

[true zinc]

!nogpt

[quasi jetty]

Please do not trust ChatGPT or similar AI tools for mathematical tasks, as they often generate output which "sounds correct" but has numerous factual or logical errors. Use of these AI tools to answer other people's help questions is strictly against server rules (see #rules).

[neat lintel]

[sonic sentinel]

honestly im kind of surprised this isn't something you can just solve with some fine tuning

like on the spectrum of "basic manipulation of text" to "the most impressive thing ive seen current LLMs regularly be able to do", "take some notes and generate a quiz out of it" seems much closer to the former

[true fossil]

Huh

[eternal crow]

μαθηματικα

[pearl hornet]

Что

[limber thunder]

maybe you could try RAG -- the idea is that you can give a set of documents to an LLM that supports this, and they'll answer based on it or even citing these sources

idk if there's an easy to use version of that online I've only tried this running locally on a friends' server

[stone garnet]

hey does anyone know a data scientist/analyst or is one?

[sonic sentinel]

huh? what exactly were you thinking of?

like give different types of "notes" -> "question" relations to the LLM?

[limber thunder]

I know some data analysis tools and know people currently working in datasci

[limber thunder]

yes kinda

you just upload documents and the model uses them

[stone garnet]

That's great! I'm researching on what careers I want to pursue in the future. I've heard that ds and ai is the next big thing in IT and it'll be booming for the next 10 years or so. I'm not sure if I want to get into that field tho. I'm considering it because of the job stability, high payment, interdisciplinary learning as well. Can you give me any knowledge about that career?
I know that I'm not that interested in coding as well and ds does require a lot of coding right?

[limber thunder]

there are a lot of graphical tools for data analysis and visualization, most people aren't using Python all the time

it is true that it'll likely be in demand for the coming years, all our devices are constantly producing data and someone can go and make sense of it

it is also a interdisciplinary field as you say since "data science" just refers to a set of applied statistics tools, paradigms and conceptual frameworks that can be applied to problems in any other area, whether it is medical sciences or business analytics or etc.

[stone garnet]

I have a liking in math and economics, and don't want to waste it. But I'm just fearful of coding and also the layoffs occurs currently. Do you think the layoffs would increase more in the coming years?

[limber thunder]

well we kind of are looking at a possible global recession as we speak

people with good technical background and networking skills will get hired regardless so if it's something you like and you can combine e.g. what you know of economics with these skills you'll be fine

[limber thunder]

and about fear of coding, best I could suggest is to take your time with it and learn slowly, ideally also with a purpose in mind like realizing a specific project or just completing courses etc

[sonic sentinel]

is this what chatgpt does when you upload large documents?

[feral steppe]

I graduated with a CS degree months ago, I had internships too, still unemployed 😄

Don't major in CS

Yes it will increase. Everyone is majoring in CS nowadays, AI is popping off too.

[limber thunder]

nah, if you can major in CS and be a competent enough person I say do it

[stone garnet]

Thank you for your advice! I've also been considering finance or fintech, but I'm not sure if I'm interested in it. Do you have any advice on how I can find my interest in pursuing a certain career

[limber thunder]

yes the job market is saturated, yes it's a trendy major, then just stand out from the crowd

[limber thunder]

maybe try delving into a project regarding that

like in algorithmic trading

the other day I was reading about that lol, check these repositories out
https://github.com/nickmccullum/algorithmic-trading-python
https://github.com/quantopian/zipline

[limber thunder]

and about this, there's no-code platforms for just about anything these days

check out e.g. https://www.tableau.com and https://www.knime.com/ for data in particular

[woeful agate]

can someone help me with trigonomic identities

in help 49

[stone garnet]

what degree would be best to get into these variety of fields? Nowadays people are doing cs or ds, engineering. Basically getting into IT. I've seen that it has a higher pay salary and much better benefits as well. But I'm not sure if I'm really interested in pursuing that. I'd like the benefits that IT has though.

[stone garnet]

What are you doing instead? How did you decide to major cs?

[limber thunder]

one common path I see is to major in something related to what you want to do and then either get a cert or a MSc in data science

for instance you could major economics and while you're at that figure out how to get certified in data science or data analysis

[stone garnet]

Are there any requirements for Msc in ds? Like a certain bachelors?

[limber thunder]

usually they'll want something related but anything in the sciences or any quantitative field is good

I know a sociologist who's currently getting a degree in datasci lol

it's usually not a "hard" or exclusive requirement

[whole geode]

Hello, I'm using the hiset program and I've made good progress. I'm planning on going to trade school, (most likely plumbing) so I want to have a good grasp of the math required, and I'm also genuinely curious. I have a quick decimal question. When using long division for decimals, the divisor must be a whole number. How exactly can you tell whether it's already a whole number or not?

[stone garnet]

But if comparing this to a person who did a btech in ds and ai, who would get a ds job easier? Certifications don't have much value compared to a degree right?

[stone garnet]

Alright thanks!

[limber thunder]

it depends a lot on the candidate and employer, one employer might value the value of a technical degree more but another (and this is usually the case:) will value a wider diversity of skills and qualifications which might be given by majoring in something different and then applying you current knowledge to that

[jaunty ibex]

???

No major in CS if you feel like it

@stone garnet don't let other people discourage you

[stone garnet]

ah I see alright!

[stone garnet]

I don't want to regret a decision at all

[gritty crater]

If you like computer stuff then I don't see a problem with CS

[jaunty ibex]

Closer CS moment

If u are scared of trying hard to stand out

Well my only advice is to talk with a lot of people

"Domain Expansion" your network

You could like make a project about algebraic geometry

Yapp about it in ur resume or something

[gritty crater]

There are a lot of subfields inside CS. One sub-field might get saluted but other sub-fields aren't

[jaunty ibex]

The best field is web development /j

[gritty crater]

No, web dev is sh*t

F*ck JS

My trauma from learning JS has still not recovered yet

[wooden falcon]

===

[gritty crater]

typeof NaN is number

But people keep making stuff that uses JS

[jaunty ibex]

Same

[fierce fox]

Ok so this is going to be controversial. We should let ai be our government. Now I know most people's immediate reaction is what your insane. Have you never seen insert ai dystopia media. Thing is until very recently media regarding ai has been based off humans experience with more powerful humans. You know the whole sufficiently advanced tech looks like magic deal. Now modern llms are essentially just really fancy matrix multiplication machines that lack anything we would call a consciousness or intention. So much so that we can apply pretty rock solid restrictions to what they can and can't output(yes there are loopholes). As such saying they would turn life into a dystopia out of some sort of malicious intent is a bit of a stretch. On top of that nobody has ever actually tried this sort of thing so again we don't have any historical precident for ai turning anything into a dystopia aside from maybe short form generated slop which is actually more of a human caused problem. I would argue that since llm are really good for drawing conclusion and looking for patterns in gargantuan datasets this makes then perfect for running a government other qualities aside which I will talk about next. Those other qualities can really all be put under the umbrella of not being conscious nor human. That is to say an llm is generally incorruptible in the conventional monetary sense, not subject to emotion, makes as rational as possible outputs always, and just all around doesn't have any of the flaws human politicians do. Since an llm is capable of understanding well language it could make a decision in a hypothetical ai government and in real time monitor the impacts of that decision sourced from more conventional statistics and the testimonies of those affected were it could very quickly figure out what each person's experience with that decision has in common giving it a pathway to adjust that decision if neccesary.

[zealous garden]

my eyes glazed over after controversial

[fierce fox]

Yuh lfg.

[zealous garden]

going for the block

[strong gorge]

lmao

[fierce fox]

I would call it the commie block bc ai would be perfect at resolving the issues with communism like corrupt high level authoritarian officials or the issue of balanced resource distribution.

Also it would be very much so democratic in that it would be looking for people's feedback basically always.

Of course this all will never happen because unlike an ai humans are far to attached to preconceived notions of what things will be or are like.

[sage mulch]

🥱

[static loom]

you could start by making a discord bot moderator/admin and having a server that's run entirely by AI

start small, prove it works at a small scale for starters

dont @ me

[old oak]

that would be a fun experiment, but also you should then do like 1000 such servers for a proper trial

[fierce fox]

That's essentially just a text recognition task tho. It doesn't really have any governing tasks and i doubt discord administration would be too keen on the idea. Otherwise something like this yeah.

[static loom]

yeah I'm just trying to keep them busy and get them outta here lmao

[old oak]

ideally some run by AI and some by humans in a double-blind experiment

[fierce fox]

Say something on the naughty word vector space and here's a ban for you.

[old oak]

entirely fair

[static loom]

wdym "discord adminstration" or "just text recognition"

anyone can make a server, and social communication on this dinky app is just a small fry compared to managing an entire nation

got a long way to go

get to work, baby steps

[fierce fox]

Discord doesn't typically let large servers stay up without a mod team. By just text recognition I mean there isn't a whole lot to discord moderation aside from looking for people saying stuff they shouldn't and then banning or suspending them. I suppose you let such an ai run discord server set the rules and structure of the server itself which would be a bit more interesting. Otherwise good idea imma see how I can implement it.

[static loom]

If you want to run a nation, you gotta convince way more than just discord staff of its viability

[zealous garden]

Channel structure, roles and role colors, perms

emoji and stickers

It of course even gets to decide its own policies

Like banning anyone who mentions vinegar

[old oak]

Finally!

[hardy apex]

eda myre

andi

[nimble moss]

Vinegar is only acceptable on chips

[hardy apex]

https://www.youtube.com/@harmonycorporations

sub

[limber thunder]

WHAT

[nimble moss]

I WILL DIE ON THIS HILL

[hardy apex]

sub this'

[jagged forge]

<@&268886789983436800> plz, this person has been warned

[stone garnet]

i dont like it, I only like the benefits it can give such as job stability and high pay

[stone garnet]

I never heard about that, how can I make a project relating to that?

[solemn lava]

💀

[jagged forge]

salty much

it has nothing to do with that

some things I just don't want to see

if it's against the rules then i'll just ping mods and get on with my life

[neat lintel]

False

[eternal crow]

Isn't there a version of JS called that

Inspired after BrainF*k

It's still JS but uses only 6 operators i think

6* characters

!+

[gritty crater]

I am just saying from my experience. But I think it is pretty tough to follow CS if you don't like it and this can also be said to every field out there. I have seen some people go into CS just because of the hype in the media that says it is high pay or job opportunities. Those people feel bored after some courses about CS and then drop out after 1 or 2 years. So if you follow CS because of high pay and job stability then that motivation needs to be strong enough to keep you going.

But who knows maybe you will like it when you learn more about it

[jaunty ibex]

Bad job prospects will definitely drag you down if money is your sole motivation

[cinder zephyr]

^^^^ It's tough to stand out when you don't like the material and the people you're going up against like the material

[jaunty ibex]

Standing out is kind of subjective

It's luck based

[gritty crater]

Even though money is important in this world but I think you are going to feel "empty" about your job sooner or later. I heard some people drop their current jobs and then go to college or university to follow their passion. I would rather do a lower-paid job but it is the thing I love than a high-pay job but I hate it.

This doesn't apply to people who love making money, tho

[gusty socket]

i love making money

[primal seal]

If any of you think any kind of academic credential will make you any sort of “real” money working for someone else in today’s world, you may want to reconsider.

[gritty crater]

Well, making money is a valid reason to live for

[vast wraith]

no

it is valid to make money to live

the two are very different

[gritty crater]

[neat lintel]

valid to make money to live?

how else do you live

[vast wraith]

by having money

[gusty socket]

wait but you are missing the point, closer is asserting the thing that closer said

like it’s not a misunderstanding

about whether the two statements are the same

[vast wraith]

then my response is simply claim invalidated

[vast wraith]

or by managing without money, that is, after all, possible

[wooden falcon]

it’s tough even when you do like the material. Doing it without that, either gotta truly love money more than anything or be a masochist probably.

[vast wraith]

that said, it’s very rewarding if you do end up finding some literature that you really vibe with and that fills the role you need

problem is finding that can be a lot of work

but ime it pays off in the long run

[wooden falcon]

They are

I very much want to make money to live.

[vast wraith]

i don’t want to but don’t really have much choice in the matter, i’ve found starving is bearable but not exactly comfortable

[jaunty ibex]

You could say I kind of scammed people to get my first job

Well not really scamming but more like connections stuff

[proud olive]

you worked in sales?

[jaunty ibex]

Like I know a lot of people that are way more talented than me and still are unemployed

[wooden falcon]

I agree. I’d rather live in a world where we don’t have to slave away so many hours a day just to survive. But this isn’t an option so I just picked the want out of the options available.

[jaunty ibex]

No

[jaunty ibex]

Valid

[gritty crater]

Connection is an important thing these days 😔

[jaunty ibex]

It's unfair and not a skill issue if you don't know how to do it

It's mostly luck

I don't necessarily like making money even tho I do get paid a lot of money

You could say it's Stockholm syndrome

I do love my job tho

I just hate the money part of it

[gritty crater]

Well, if you love your job then money is just a bonus

[vast wraith]

must be nice to have any social capabilities

to me even just saying "hello" seems a wholly insurmountable task

[bronze wedge]

you are wrong. academic credentials are rarely a sufficient condition, but almost always a necessary one.

[jaunty ibex]

People around me aren't even willing to engage in a convo

[vast wraith]

i am very much willing to, but very much struggling to

[jaunty ibex]

If you want to have a convo you need to give them some money or something else that's materialistic

[vast wraith]

whar

[jaunty ibex]

Again, thank you capitalism

🙏

[gritty crater]

Even though my social skill is sh*t but I can still say hello 😎

[jaunty ibex]

hello

+1000000 social credits

[vast wraith]

amazibg

[gritty crater]

But after that, I don't know what to say. Doing CS too much will make you forget how to communicate with humans

[jaunty ibex]

Valid

[vast wraith]

dw you're off to a good start just keep at it

[gritty crater]

But I might need to communicate with recruiters or I will be unemployed so better training for that fateful day

[bleak sapphire]

Okay I kind of posted something in #1021175428326633542 that wasn't actually school related and I'm realizing no-one's gonna read it like this

[neat lintel]

System.out.println("so true");
System.exit(0);

[bleak sapphire]

#1278386823831355434 message
This should be enough to hook a few people lmao

I think its my best line this week

its more of just general math discussion and not just asking for like math problem help

[true zinc]

you don't need to exit assuming that the line there is at the end of main :3

[true zinc]

!noadvert

[quasi jetty]

Please do not advertise your help channel or thread in other parts of the server. There are many people who need help, so advertising can quickly turn into spam.

[bleak sapphire]

Wasn't sure if it counted as an advert, sorry

just wanted to move it to a discussion channel instead or something

[true zinc]

Linking any help channel is always considered as such

AFAIK

[bleak sapphire]

Fair

[bleak sapphire]

just saying I doubt anyone in here is any more familiar with the intricacies of bullshitting and exploiting summation notation to write programs

[neat lintel]

https://youtu.be/NyxjfIdKpwo?si=Dr08aEDg8oqXPAah eee

[bleak sapphire]

Woah don't click that

They'e new and that's a really suspicious link

[analog abyss]

And a really suspicious caption

[bleak sapphire]

What mod should we ping

[analog abyss]

<@&268886789983436800>

[limber thunder]

dealt with

[vast wraith]

i love that so many of AMS-published books are freely available at the internet archive

on a whole other note...

Did one die too young and the other live too long?

😭

— Weil, btw

[neat lintel]

Why does he say that about them?

[vast wraith]

it's from the preface of Kummer’s collected papers

[thick fable]

Anyone have hector Lomeli or John Osborn?

[tropic dune]

guys, i'm studying accounting and i want to learn financial mathematics from basic. so can anyone recommend me book or some course on youtube?

[primal seal]

This is usually how you’d phrase what you mean in standard English

[bronze wedge]

???

[primal seal]

What I wrote means exactly what you formalized, in this language called standard English

[bronze wedge]

alright, in any case I think it's a relevant point to make that education is still essentially required to get any sort of good paying position

[primal seal]

Very true though- especially today: when it seems like you need a masters just to earn minimum wage

[jagged forge]

funnily enough, CS is one of the fields where this is not true. at least if by academic credentials you mean a college degree

[wooden falcon]

It’s mostly true.

The opportunities for CS without a college degree are really closing.

There are some exceptions. But most people who make it today without a college degree. It’s because they’re really cracked and started super early and already proven themselves (that they really don’t need a degree to do what they do).

That is not a viable thing to expect for most people. And regulations aside I suspect a similar thing would be true for some other disciplines.

[visual breach]

I heard opportunities for CS with college degrees is also not great

[wooden falcon]

It is not

[visual breach]

So I dunno, maybe one can get hired without credentials on the next boom

[wooden falcon]

Even with the degree. Getting an actual CS job is a horrible grind.

[visual breach]

Yeah I heard CS job market is insane rn

[wooden falcon]

No. It’s only gonna get worse from here on. The field is really getting oversaturated.

[visual breach]

I mean boom and pop cycle of about 20 years long, by the way

After some time, people might get disinterested.

[wooden falcon]

There’s enough opportunities that you probably can get a job if you outgrind everyone or are just better.

But if you aren’t one of those, gotta get really lucky. (and still have good enough skill to make good on that luck)

[visual breach]

True

[tough island]

I’m developing a love for math simply out of the beauty that is algebra 🥺

[jaunty ibex]

Ngl I feel bad for my bf rn

[neat lintel]

The same thing happened with me.

[cinder zephyr]

Yessssss

Algebra is so pretty

[jaunty ibex]

Analysis is so pretty

[cinder zephyr]

doing analysis HW rn

this shit is NOT pretty

[jagged forge]

that's why i like it

analysis is dirty, messy.... for REAL mathematicians

gotta dig your fingernails in

^ propaganda sold to you by algebraists

[static shuttle]

i know someone who has that diagram on a t-shirt

[zealous garden]

What do you think of my banner

[jaunty ibex]

Holy based suremark

[static shuttle]

a few years ago, they wore it to an algebra lecture (some intro to groups I think) when the prof drew that diagram, and the prof burst out laughing

[tough island]

And it’s not advanced algebra, it’s intermediate algebra in community college (never paid attention or cared for high school algebra or math in general) and decided this semester I wanted to be a better student and actually study. Not only am I starting to like because oh my gosh, did you know if you study and do problems you get better?????!!! + just seeing how algebra simply works and can applied to a wide range of problems and watching each operation unfold is the purest form of pleasure

[jaunty ibex]

Sorry we are not brainwashed as you are

(Don't take it srsly I'm mostly joking btw)

[static shuttle]

i am personally not a diagram enjoyer, but i respect those who are

[cinder zephyr]

filters are gonna be the death of me rn

[fresh comet]

gl Spamakin

[zealous garden]

Same

[cinder zephyr]

(they're so annoying, this is why nets are nicer)

[static shuttle]

true

even better, deal with first countable spaces only so that you can just take sequences and be done with all the shenanigans (geometry gang rise up)

[jaunty ibex]

I really love the maximal principle in CA

[primal seal]

My question is, why get into CS at all at this point given you’ll likely never exceed AI if you aren’t already advanced or proficient in the field. The work likely will become obsolete.

[jagged forge]

oh that's preposterous