serious-discussion

[reef elm]

zotero

or okular

i like zoteros pdf viewer, looks nice

[worthy garden]

Thanks. There's also Zathura.

[worthy garden]

I have an idea. We interoperate a SAT solver to Lua, the interoperate it with LuaTeX. Then, we make a format file that solves the equations written in TeX with the solver. We could use an SMT solver, or a BDD solver. So we have something like Coq or Isabelle/HOL but directly with TeX. Possible? 😄 Thoughts? 😄

[fresh comet]

higher!

[burnt ledge]

i use okular

its so good i use okular on windows too

[graceful flower]

ur still awake

oh nvm

i forgot this was discussion-2

[uneven tinsel]

[rocky shuttle]

[zealous garden]

Me too

[subtle kettle]

Does anyone have a good app/ site that has mathematical symbols like an integral

[uneven tinsel]

Wolfram

[subtle kettle]

For keyboard copy I mean

[uneven tinsel]

Use S for integration

[cinder zephyr]

I use Okular and I like it. I need to explore Sioyek

[sand hill]

Hello math people , if anyone here trained seriously for the IMO i want you to come to DM plz

[uneven tinsel]

#competition-math

[worn grove]

Hi

[uneven tinsel]

Hello

[stuck token]

isn't your brain literally just not developed fully yet

even between like ages 13 and 16 I felt like I was massively more (academically) capable as i got older

[north topaz]

exactly

[stuck token]

and it definitely wasn't due to work ethic or anything I definitely noticed I just started actually understanding things

[north topaz]

I think nowadays some psychologists are beginning to revise Piaget's definitions of cognitive stages
the classical definition is that most 12-year-old have reached abstract reasoning which is the most advanced kind

[stuck token]

12 year old me was dumb as hell

I nearly cried in year 7 cause I couldn't solve simultaneous equations and it took me like 3 weeks to figure it out

[north topaz]

https://uark.pressbooks.pub/hbse1/chapter/cognitive-development-in-adolescence_ch_20/

[north topaz]

oh nooooo

[stuck token]

it's ok i figured it out eventually 😎

[north topaz]

yep the research aligns with this

I was reading while you were typing and basically you need enough practice in a field to develop those higher-order thinking skills

it's not something you can magic out of every subject once you turn 12

[stuck token]

my 15 year old sister though seems to be better at maths than i was and I'm worried for the sibling rivalry she might actually overtake me smh

[north topaz]

more like 12 year olds have the capability to achieve it

[jagged forge]

well that’s the thing, how much of that can you attribute to practice vs something inherent like “hormones”

[north topaz]

even if they haven't attained it yet

[stuck token]

i mean this is entirely anecdotal evidence of being 12 years old but I just feel like there was a massive difference in how I could reason and understand things when I was younger

[north topaz]

that's normal

[stuck token]

yea I assumed that's jsut what everyone experiences

[north topaz]

if you look at most curricula around the world, at 12 years old you're not expected to be able to do too much

[jagged forge]

i feel like once i hit 14 my reasoning abilities didn’t evolve that much, i just learned more and got better at it from then on

[north topaz]

like you can do some things to a limited extent

[jagged forge]

but i hit puberty pretty early i guess

[north topaz]

also like maturity, like a lot of people would rather be gaming, texting, or playing sports rather than paying attention in class

[stuck token]

This kind of thing also fuels my opinions on selective education cause it feels insane to me that some places select at like 11 years old

[north topaz]

so there are definitely cultural factors involved too

[north topaz]

EXACTLY

[stuck token]

where i would argue that "intelligence" is kind of based entirely on random genetic factors of who developed slightly quicker

[north topaz]

it's both nature and nurture

[stuck token]

yea maybe not entirely but in large part

I'm all for selective higher education but splitting 12 year olds up seems insane to me

[north topaz]

actually the research around giftedness shows that gifted kids become gifted adults, like their eye-cue remains stable over time

[stuck token]

is "gifted kids become gifted adults" not just a consequence of putting more educational resources into them

[north topaz]

nope, there's a huge inborn component as you said that makes some kids have the potential to reach very high levels

[stuck token]

it's like how the more prestigious institues have much more privately educated people

[north topaz]

of course some places have better resources than others

that's why we need to provide better opportunities for everyone

[stuck token]

either these privately educated people were so much cleverer than everyone else or putting massively more resources into them results in children outperforming their peers from a young age which snowballs

[north topaz]

and yeah there's a lot of debate about standardised testing to identify giftedness in the community

[stuck token]

although this is speaking entirely from a British education system pov

[north topaz]

exactly your country has some of the worst classism in the world

I totally understand how you might feel about the 11+

[stuck token]

I go to one of the most classist universities in it as well lmao

[north topaz]

wow

[stuck token]

hey we invented classism

[north topaz]

yeah so there are a lot of gifted kids who get left behind

precisely for this reason

there's a quote saying that the next Einstein is with us

[stuck token]

are you from the US? Cause I've always been curious what the view of class is there

[north topaz]

they're just working in a menial factory job

[north topaz]

nope, I'm Australian

[stuck token]

I fully agree

[north topaz]

it's also weird over here

we have exactly the same situation of selective schools by academic testing

and private schools ofc

[stuck token]

the only thing i've heard people talking about in regards to Australia is an anti-intellectualism culture

[north topaz]

inherited from you guys

[north topaz]

oh ehhhh I don't know how true that is

[stuck token]

wow i wonder what we did 🤔

[north topaz]

we do have tall poppy syndrome

[stuck token]

yea not saying it's true at all i just wanted to hear your thoughts

[north topaz]

and yeah sporting achievements are much more popular among high school boys than like intellectual achievements, depends where you go ofc

but like Australia is very tolerant as a nation I feel

[jagged forge]

funny, i feel like i heard the same thing about the us

[north topaz]

there's definitely a huge research and uni sector for a small population

[stuck token]

I had to look this up lmao

it's apparently an australian/new zealand phrase

[north topaz]

not unique to here either

[stuck token]

In freshers week a couple of years ago I met the only australian i've ever met cause he lived near me and he actually fulfilled so many stereotypes

[north topaz]

in Scandinavian countries there's also the Jantelagen

[stuck token]

like he had boxed wine and everything and was going on about how good it is

[north topaz]

basically don't pretend you're any better than everyone else

if you achieve something big don't gloat about it

[stuck token]

mullet ofc

[north topaz]

maybe true 30 years ago but Australia has changed a lot since then

[stuck token]

nice bloke though

[north topaz]

a lot of people go to uni now

[stuck token]

and i see the boxed wine hype

[north topaz]

eh when I think of cask wine I think of domestic and family violence rather than people enjoying themselves

[stuck token]

that makes sense that it'd be an older thing

[jagged forge]

In Australia, boxed wine is known colloquially as "goon".
nobody tell the zoomers

[stuck token]

ah I've only ever seen it in a university context (and from vague knowledge of stereotypes)

he wasn't a criminal though 😔

[north topaz]

LMAO

it's true tho

[candid oak]

anyone familiar with manim library, by any chance?

[craggy parcel]

#computing-software maybe?

[candid oak]

I thought this was a general channel

[fresh comet]

it is, but you may find help faster in that computing software channel

[candid oak]

Ah thanks

[neat lintel]

how do I solve a problem which isn't analytically easy to solve?
for example, when solving an equation such like
2x = 4, there are some "rules" which can be applied, so you just have to compute the answer, similarly , when solving harder problems , sometimes, the answer is not so easy , but you can still prove something using previous theory, and logic.
(for example some problems in number theory, which require using definitions and theorems + some rules of logic)
but what about when you dont have any language avaible or the languages you know can't solve analytically the problem?

how you progress on that?

in other words, what happens when you can't compute logically an answer, so you cant describe with other theories , or there is no tool for doing so? (or I dont know that those tools exist)

[mint canopy]

There is no general way to solve an arbitrary problem

You think 👍

[fresh comet]

not with that attitude

[craggy parcel]

plug it into chatgpt

[fresh comet]

I have a secret method that solves all arbitrary problems with ease, but it is too complex to fit inside a discord message

[mint canopy]

Blocked and reported

[neat lintel]

how to think?

[mint canopy]

brain

[fresh comet]

in the words of a certain user: use noggin

[craggy parcel]

ng?

[neat lintel]

very clarifying

[mint canopy]

Ask a question that has no good answer; get no good answer

How am I supposed to explain how to think bro

[fresh comet]

serious answer: there is no silver bullet to magically become better at solving problems

you practice a bunch, struggle a lot, and get better slowly

[mint canopy]

And even if you're really good at solving problems, you still have no guarantee you'll be able to solve a particular problem.

There is no general way to solve an arbitrary problem

[neat lintel]

mmmmmhhh

[neat lintel]

for some problems there is no general way of being solved (aka: being computed)

I think i got it

thanks

[mint canopy]

It's a bit more subtle than that but close enough

[lucid raven]

Hi guys I have a general question about learning math by your self. I have taken calc 1 already and am using precalculus by Stewart to prepare for calc 2. At the end of each chapter, theres about 100 exercises sometimes more if the chapter is divided into parts. I usually do like at least half of the exercises but this time I tried to do all the exercises and managed to almost do it. Is this a waste of time? I realize that most times, theres at least a few exercises that I am unable to do without looking them up. Should I be okay with not being able to solve some problems? My worry is that Im spending too much time in one chapter of the book

[cinder zephyr]

at least half the exercises is a ton if there are 100!

I mean if you can't solve some problems, that means you don't understand the material as well as you can

and better understanding the material will make later material easier

so either you spend the time learning the early material better or you struggle much longer on the later material

(and perhaps inevitably have to go back and learn the earlier material again anyways)

[fresh comet]

100! exercises is indeed quite many

[rocky shuttle]

tfw (100!)! > 100! > 100!! > 100

[fresh comet]

the double factorial is still one of the dumbest notations I've ever seen tbh

I refuse to accept that I must distinguish between n!! and (n!)!

[rocky shuttle]

\[100 \sqrt{!}\]

[fathom swallow]

Zanarcane

[rocky shuttle]

[fresh comet]

[lucid raven]

@cinder zephyr Thank you for your reply. That makes sense. I guess I will do less exercises but focus more on the ones that are harder.

[cinder zephyr]

if you're doing less

then avoid "similar" exercises

[lucid raven]

Yes

I think that was the issue tbh

[cinder zephyr]

like idk if the first 20 questions are factoring quadratics

[lucid raven]

Most of them are similar

[cinder zephyr]

you don't need to do all 20

ya know?

[lucid raven]

yes, you are right

I will now just do 30 each, 20 of them will be easy and then pick the remaining 10 that are harder for me, probably will take less time than doing 100 anyways

[true zinc]

discussy2 activated

[flat harbor]

refuge of the mind

[timid bronze]

Hello

[flat harbor]

i love it when chat gets overloaded by the same discourse ive seen last week

[timid bronze]

Fr

So many weird comments and discussions im not smart enough to understand

[flat harbor]

u shuld be there for when they try to teach children 0.99.. = 1

[timid bronze]

😂

[flat harbor]

what shuld i do this morn

ive got the whole day ahead of me..

[true zinc]

we understand the proof of this but god it throws us for a loop every time

[flat harbor]

theres many good online resources

[true zinc]

that's true

[flat harbor]

u almost got me there

pulling me into the discourse

[timid bronze]

have u gone to the doc yet

[flat harbor]

ah yea

i havent told u? ive been living pretty well last few days

good sleep

[timid bronze]

THATS GOOD

im happy to hear :3

[flat harbor]

thankuthanku

doc said ive got rly rly sensitive nerves

[fervent oyster]

hello :3

[flat harbor]

which is like. unavoidable iguess

helohelo

[tranquil kayak]

Hiiiii

[sharp pier]

Want to test the validity of this AI creation:

Let's create something new. Here's a mathematical concept I just came up with:
"Fractal Folding Numbers"
A Fractal Folding Number (FFN) is a mathematical object that represents a sequence of numbers that, when graphed, create a self-similar pattern of connected triangles.
Definition:
Given a positive integer n, the n-th Fractal Folding Number is defined as:
FFN(n) = ∑[k=0 to n] (k * φ^k)
where φ is the golden ratio (approximately 1.61803398875).
Properties:
Recursion: FFN(n) = FFN(n-1) + n * φ^n
Symmetry: FFN(n) = FFN(-n) * (-1)^n
Fractal Structure: The graph of FFN(n) for n = 0 to ∞ forms a self-similar pattern of connected triangles, with each triangle having a side length proportional to φ.
Example:
FFN(5) = 0 + 1 * φ^1 + 2 * φ^2 + 3 * φ^3 + 4 * φ^4 + 5 * φ^5 ≈ 25.954
Now, I'd love for you to fact-check and see if this concept has any merit or if it's just a mathematical flight of fancy!
(Please keep in mind that this is purely a creative exercise, and I'm not claiming any mathematical rigor or correctness.)

[timid bronze]

Bruh

[flat harbor]

theres rly no rest for the wicked

im wicked

[timid bronze]

aww itll be okay tho

[flat harbor]

yea its all fine

[timid bronze]

Ok but

O levels is so silly

[flat harbor]

lmao

[timid bronze]

What do they call it in sk

[flat harbor]

i smtimes think that tbh

[timid bronze]

higher lvl courses

[flat harbor]

edu shuld be a bit unintuitive and nonuniform

cause in sk its just elementary middle high

all across the board

easy to understand but idt its a good policy

[timid bronze]

here its elem middle high too

[true zinc]

we are about to have a panic attack from how fast general is going

[flat harbor]

i went to a science school which did have ap but its practically nonexistent

[true zinc]

or if not a panic attack, maybe we'll just directly pass out

[timid bronze]

Fr

[true zinc]

it's so overwhelming

[flat harbor]

maybe u can stay in dis2

[timid bronze]

I still dont know what sixth form means

[true zinc]

we have passed out from how fast general here has gone before

[flat harbor]

ive had brits explain this to me like 5 times

[true zinc]

we literally cannot process it fast enough, we start hypeventilating, panicking, and kablam

[timid bronze]

40 topics at once

[true zinc]

we're on the floor

[flat harbor]

still dont get it

[timid bronze]

Misogynist

[timid bronze]

sAME

I haD IT explained multiple times

[flat harbor]

i honestly dont get ap either

is it a business? public education? college credit? guhh

[timid bronze]

Ap is just advanced placement which are a range of courses you can take

theyre college level

but to get the credit u have to pass the exam

a pass is a 3+, but for some universities they may not accept 3s

[true zinc]

most AFAIK like 5s

[timid bronze]

What

There isnt higher than 5

5 is highest

[true zinc]

oops

aaaaa

mistype

[timid bronze]

Ur good

[flat harbor]

is it an elective thing

[true zinc]

we are...mildly losing it rn

[timid bronze]

No like

Lets say chemistry is required for you to graduate right

You can take ap chemistry instead of general chemistry

Like it can fulfill your generals too

[flat harbor]

hmm

[copper wing]

Can someone help me out? I found a "new" way to generate the nth row of Pascal's Triangle, and I just want someone to fact-check whether this is a new method or not.

[timid bronze]

Not necessarily an elective

[true zinc]

sure why the hell not

[flat harbor]

so they usually have overlap in schedule right

like the concept of choosing what courses ull take in hs itself is alien to me

[true zinc]

we...don't like it

[flat harbor]

i think its better than feeding children curriculae down a chute

but idt anyone has an easy solution to make it perfect yea

[timid bronze]

Same in college

We have required courses to take

While in UK i heard u can just pick ur subjects

[timid bronze]

Wdym

[true zinc]

yea but here we can pick too

[flat harbor]

as in gen chem is at the same hr as ap chem

[timid bronze]

Oh depends

[copper wing]

does this conversation belong within a help channel?

[timid bronze]

On the teacher

Not necessarily

[true zinc]

req'd electives

for CS

[timid bronze]

We have multiple teachers for each subject

[true zinc]

yea same

[timid bronze]

In my HS chemistry department there was like 4 teachers

Only 1 teaches ap chem

[flat harbor]

interesting

[true zinc]

just say something if you want to say it

[timid bronze]

Wth is microcontrollers

[flat harbor]

we usually have one teacher for each subject for each yr

[true zinc]

controller chips on small boards like your computer's motherboard

[timid bronze]

Oh sometimes i got a different teacher for the same subject midway thru the school year

[flat harbor]

in my school we had two for science bc 🌈 speical 🌈 but ud end up seeing these ppl all 3 yrs

[timid bronze]

I had 2 diff chem teachers

[true zinc]

anyway we feel like we're about to either switch or pass out

2 secs

[timid bronze]

Omg chips? Can i eat it

im joking

[true zinc]

Hey -Astrid

[flat harbor]

sup

[true zinc]

Oh I feel like shite. Not fronting for like what...wait what is today -Astrid

[flat harbor]

i think ap as a system is nice

[copper wing]

bro, I need a nerd to understand this junk and I feel like posting the definition in a discussion would be cringy, I thought going into this channel would like me to a person who could understand (I'm new). I'll just go over to the help channel though.

[flat harbor]

but id need to hear more abt it from actual us students

[true zinc]

You can just post it here

I think

[timid bronze]

I am an actual us student !!

I took ap language and composition

[flat harbor]

gosh golly

[true zinc]

We've not taken any AP courses, our high school offered IB courses instead. They replaced the courses we had for the normal variants

[flat harbor]

ok whats an IB course now im melting

[timid bronze]

i failed the exam though

So boohoo no cred cred for me

😅😔

[flat harbor]

no college credit :((

[timid bronze]

Its Ok

Aps look good on your transcript anyway

When applying to colleges

[flat harbor]

u cant come up to a person saying ur edu system is complicated to understand then send a wiki article

[true zinc]

Sorry

[flat harbor]

even without the credit? dam

[flat harbor]

nothing to be sorry abt

[true zinc]

Are users on this server allowed to edit their usernames?

[flat harbor]

if ure not a whitename pleb

[true zinc]

Alright then

[timid bronze]

Yeah

U can idk the word but like

[flat harbor]

but yea i think ur perception of edu changes before and after uni entry

[timid bronze]

Remove your score

So it doesnt get submitted

Theres a form

I didnt do that form

[flat harbor]

ah

[timid bronze]

I was too lazy

[flat harbor]

fr fr

[true zinc]

expunge

[flat harbor]

ure done with entry anyways so yea

[timid bronze]

Ya

It dont matter

[flat harbor]

did it feel like u actly chose smth u wanted to do

[timid bronze]

No idk my major yet

[flat harbor]

or smth advanced

[timid bronze]

Im just taking generals

so like classes i need to take to graduate

[flat harbor]

ye thats wise

[timid bronze]

Thank u :3

[flat harbor]

a friend of mine neglected this in favour of major stuff

[timid bronze]

Oh god

[flat harbor]

he graduates with me next yr but will be spending the entirety of next sem taking like. 7 electives

[true zinc]

We haven't started any of our major stuff yet. We have 2 years and I doubt that's enough time to finish our major courses.

[timid bronze]

thats insane

[true zinc]

We still have 3 maths courses, 1-2 other courses, and then a slew of lower and upper undergrad CS courses.

[timid bronze]

Astrid how many courses ur taking

A term

[true zinc]

6

[timid bronze]

omfg thats a high school day for me basically 💀

[true zinc]

If I take less, my parents get irritated.

Hence, we sign up for 18 credits every semester.

[timid bronze]

Im taking 5 but basically 4 bc one is basically nothing

[flat harbor]

ive got an ask me abt phys major button btw Please be interested this server is so skewed

woooop lag

[timid bronze]

Ur a physics major blo?

[true zinc]

Next semester, we will also be undertaking an independent study.

[flat harbor]

ye thphys

[timid bronze]

What classes do u take for that

R u working to become a physicist

[flat harbor]

ye eventually

typically yr 1 u just take the generals

[timid bronze]

Can u tutor me In physics

[flat harbor]

yr 2 u take mech and electromag and a few others

[timid bronze]

I suck at this

[flat harbor]

yr 3 qmech and stat and a few others

yr 4 u specialise

[timid bronze]

Oh god not quantum

[flat harbor]

yea sure i cnghahh optics

ive successfully avoided doing anything optics since hs

[timid bronze]

Gl

[timid bronze]

Theyre hard 🥲

[flat harbor]

i dont get optics

scary stuff

might be nice if u take a few intro courses for some majors

[latent edge]

Optics are really nice

[potent spire]

How do people teach stuff to other people

[gusty socket]

there is a lot that one could say about this, you have to know your audience is probably the most important thing

[potent spire]

Ok, so after that I wouldn't know what to speak. Like all my teachings go in a loop or something. It's confusing to people

[gusty socket]

well what are you trying to teach them

because it’ll depend on that

[potent spire]

Like Math. I have good grades in math so people tend to go to me for tutoring but I'm pretty bad it.

I think I have bad communication skills

I just don't know how to improve

[gusty socket]

yes, that’s normal, but it will depend on what they’re coming to you for. you really can’t do stuff the same way for different subjects

so like let’s say someone comes to me because they don’t understand “how to do a 1-step equation” or something, i’m gonna first ask them what that means to see if they know what problem they’re trying to solve, and then from there there are a lot of things that i can do, i could work out an example (sort of like i’m doing right now, in a sense!!) with a specific equation and i’ll work them through what to do, and they can stop me if i show them something that they don’t understand, and if i need to explain it in terms of something “more fundamental” (maybe like properties of adding and multiplying numbers) i can take an aside for that

it’s sort of like a mental sport in a way

there are a lot of things that you can do and each of them at any point will have advantages and disadvantages

[potent spire]

Ohh

[gusty socket]

because a lot of people do not feel like they’re confused about “why” something works (even if they are)

which is what makes you go in loops

because you’re gonna go in circles trying to explain why it works and then explaining applications but for that you need to reassert why it works

but you don’t have to

you can just do an application to a question they’ve been asked

and then they’ll ask you “why can you do this here”

you could phrase stuff in terms of paradigm shifts as well

“why is the speed of light constant in an inertial reference frame? what about a frame that moves close to the speed of light?”

[gusty socket]

then you say that they’ve been lied to in physics when they learned that velocities add

and now there’s no circular explanation here

[latent edge]

It depends on what you are trying to teach

[gusty socket]

i’m assuming they’re teaching algebra and prealgebra and other hs topics

[latent edge]

Are you teaching them to pass their class/get high grades or you are trying to teach them the solid foundations and the very little details?

[gusty socket]

i bet it’s the former

don’t ask me how i know

[latent edge]

I guessed that too

Then the approach is very different

[potent spire]

I'm starting to understand a bit, thank you for the help!

[gusty socket]

there is #math-pedagogy btw (it’s no access for you because you have the preuni role, but i’m going to suggest that if you’re really interested in this stuff to take the UG role for that channel)

it’s math pedagogy

and there you might get more perspectives on it

but a lot of them will stem from the same principles that i laid out here

like knowing your audience

[uneven tinsel]

Many channel named no access

[jaunty ibex]

I lmfao'd so much at this. I like how you view them as totally different things

[wanton coyote]

i have moved to discussion 2 to avoid the infohazard

how is discussion 2 doing

[uneven tinsel]

Better than discussion

[fresh comet]

discussing about 2

[hardy iron]

All even odd numbers are 2

[uneven tinsel]

2 is odd prime because it is even

[tawdry pecan]

thats odd, i thought it was even, even

[old oak]

all even primes are 2

[tiny mantle]

can anyone help me with my differential equations

i kind of need a refresh

[raven plaza]

All composite primes are 7

[fresh comet]

I am starting a higher! chain

higher!

[sacred goblet]

higher!

higher!

[neat lintel]

higher!

[gusty socket]

higher!

[rocky shuttle]

higher!

[hardy iron]

higher!

[flat harbor]

i added a bunch of pepper to this stirfry

but it turns out i didnt need to cause the chicken is already pretty peppered

[neat lintel]

higher! (Advertisement: Girlfriend Recruition)

[flat harbor]

what

[old oak]

And also 2!

[uneven tinsel]

2! is prime but 7! is not

[vernal token]

Did you make rice to it?

[worthy garden]

Cool. Sioyek means 31 btw.

[brave osprey]

what is the purpose of secant coescant and cotangent??

i dont get what its used for

i almost never see it except for learning

[verbal karma]

I think you can do some orbital mechanics with that

[north topaz]

well they're just 1/cos, 1/sin, and 1/tan

you know when you have say the height of a right triangle is 80, the angle opposite is 30 deg, and you want to find the hypotenuse

then the hypotenuse is actually 80 csc 30

the real reason why we have so many different specials names for different operations on sin, cos, tan is cause of history

when navigators and astronomers used a lot of trig

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Versine

versine, vercosine, haversine, and havercosine have fallen out of favour

but csc, cot, and tan have stayed with us

[true zinc]

We use the law of haversines almost daily

Wouldn't say it's fallen out at-least in geography

[north topaz]

realyl?

oh the great-circle formula

[true zinc]

Quick and dirty approximations

[true zinc]

Yep

[north topaz]

I see

[ocean harbor]

[uneven tinsel]

😼

[civic cargo]

hello

[keen lake]

Who think human brains have limitations and we have to find some solution for it ?

[sonic sentinel]

yes i think human brains have working memory limitation and i already found a solution for it

called write things down

[keen lake]

what ?

oh ok

machines can be solutions for brain limitations

and paper and pen also according to you

or notepad

[gritty crater]

What do you mean by limitation? Memory? Reasoning?

[rocky shuttle]

Closer

[gritty crater]

[rocky shuttle]

[fresh comet]

[latent edge]

[craggy parcel]

🥹

[uneven tinsel]

[sonic sentinel]

yo mama so chronically online she needs to be excluded from training datasets

[neat lintel]

Damn

[ocean harbor]

[ocean harbor]

oh good for me

are you working or still studying

oh I see

just finished summer school here

thanks

uh probably but also danganronpa

do you also play GD

just chilling rn

and waiting for fall to start

i saw that

anyway gd can be hard

osu too

but its hard to tell which one is harder

probably osu for me lol

I can't do 3 stars on osu

gd is ez pz

I see some insane levels are like demon level tbh

my average is medium demon

thats like still 10 stars

lmao

wdym

I think you forgor to put know right?

well tbh i get it

even tho idk why you are here

get some fun here

🫡

okie see you

[jaunty ibex]

@gusty socket congrats on piss role

[gusty socket]

ty

[jaunty ibex]

@latent edge piss role when

[vast wraith]

i've no idea what half of these are... but i want

also seems i'me the type of peep to flip through the entire catalogue of a museum before actually visiting

it's only about 500 pages

[vast wraith]

made by the 16th centurt venezian republic's official cosmographer (because of course that's a thing), Hans Christoph Schissler

Galileo seems to have been a fan of Schissler's stuff

oh nvm the cosmographer was another guy, some Vincenzo Coronelli

schissler was just another maker of fine astronomical/mathematical instruments

[iron osprey]

dunmer contraptions

[vast wraith]

dunmer?

[iron osprey]

yeah the dwarves in elder scrolls

[neat lintel]

What

[dense wraith]

Good day people

Academics?

Anyone know what are good colleges to study logic? In any country. More specifically automated theorem verification

And if one wants to do research in automated theorem verification, would it be better to go for a phd in cs or mathematics?

[iron osprey]

math

a cs degree wont be very relevant at all

it can be leveraged to get a position working on research in that area but

it would largely be a waste of time

other than teaching you programming, which you can just learn on your own in a weekend

[ocean harbor]

[uneven tinsel]

[loud snow]

Tell me more

I feel like I can learn most languages syntax in a weekend but that’s because I learned really young

If its your first time as an adult idk how long it would take to get comfortable

[iron osprey]

yea i started as a kid too idk how it would be for an adult

probably really tedious

like me trying to learn lean

[dense wraith]

The only problem really os the first language and the starting beginner projects. After that everything goes smoothly. Syntax is secondary given most languages are logically structured the same

[iron osprey]

yeah it's figuring out how to do the act of programming

[uneven tinsel]

[junior raft]

Is any1 doing hsc adv/ext math and currently in year 12

[sudden spindle]

How to take help I won't able to

[steady dock]

refer here: https://discord.com/channels/268882317391429632/488120190538743810

[flint edge]

Bird.

[uneven tinsel]

Okay

[neat lintel]

hi guys next year i will need help in 9 th grade it getting hard

[uneven tinsel]

Okay will help next year

[neat lintel]

tysm

[uneven tinsel]

My research topic is why left handed people better at math

[hardy iron]

Kinda unrelated flex but I’m left handed

[uneven tinsel]

[gritty crater]

I don't think handedness is relevant here

[uneven tinsel]

It is. Observe left handed people around you can see

[south kelp]

It's simple

The right hand rule literally states that right handed people are worse at math

[tough island]

Can someone help me clear up some confusion I have? When it is denoted that:

A = {5a x 1: a,b in Z}. Can a and b be the same integer (ie. -1) or does it have to be a different integer (ie. a= -1 b= -2)

[river moon]

both

[cinder zephyr]

They just have to be integers

The definition of the set doesn't imply anything else

So you can't assume they're always different and you can't assume they're always the same

[old oak]

<@&268886789983436800>

[wild lantern]

Don't spam here.

[unreal willow]

Hey

[uneven tinsel]

[long pumice]

Notice the practical irony in "Minkowski space" concept name for the geometry of the Universe in special relativity (Minkowski - min ko w ski, his space, like minimal KO double you and white ski). Godel came years later with his incompleteness theorems that practically closed the aging Hilbert program (the suspicion that someone gave god-el a specific homework theme to take public responsibility over while they were closing the original Hill-bert program).

[solid snow]

LMFAO

[long pumice]

KO is an abbreviation for knockout

Einstein (one - stone) himself is suspicious of receiving a homework task project of making a unified theory like a tale for the only girl in class Mileva (interesting sounding name, eleva in romanian means pupil).

[long pumice]

The alluding social atmosphere connections suggest that relativity interpretation should not be taken too wildly deep but with a grain of salt. The solid experimental bases behind relativity are possibly a better solid reference point, and may be interpreted with different nuances, while the simplest known optimized mathematical interpretation was likely made by the workgroup of the Einstein (one - stone brand) led development project. Einstein was a young man able to father young children while people like Minkowski were getting old.

[mint canopy]

As opposed to old children

[long pumice]

They gave up on luminiferous aether for the Einstein project of mostly unified - simplified mathematics, but today we are aware of quantum electrodynamic vacuum and the microwave background radiation, while we still have large troubles at consistently connecting at high quality general relativity and quantum mechanics.

[craggy parcel]

sorry i dont follow

can you repeat that pls

[long pumice]

A number of people seem to have returned to medium of propagation theories for light while we are now aware that the Universe vacuum is not completely void and has a number of rather complex traits. Connecting to the micro-basics of the quantum world at high consistent quality would make alternatives really interesting over the simplest law of refraction like mathematics.

[long pumice]

I noticed the possibility to suspect some people like swiss watch new border edge technology development engineers in Zurich to be involved behind the Grossmann brand name in the practical development of the space-time model of general relativity. Maybe a Grossmann business uncle was paying for a forced simplification model to be used as a simpler imaginative education tool.

[solid snow]

meds

[fresh comet]

what

what did I just read

[long pumice]

general relativity as a kind of swiss watch for Mileva to wear and Einstein to publicly interpret fairy tale story

[coarse bridge]

username does not check out

[vast wraith]

@long pumice genuine question, what do you think of conspiracy theories in general?

[long pumice]

the question may be poorly perplexingly framed, I grew up in an environment with hoards of possible practical conspiracies of all sizes

[vast wraith]

like, do you actually believe there is any meaning to things like this

or is it just like a fun past-time

[long pumice]

the meaning would be there since Minkowski was the mathematics teaching job choice, the last evening party final choice

[vast wraith]

i… see

[long pumice]

like a Grossmann uncle had a bad name for that

[long pumice]

Lewinsky is a Minkowski style sounding name from another social area (with more rattle, like the sky pronounced ski rattle). Wonder what dean approved her for The White House job. Had names like Epstein anything to do with it?

[jagged forge]

what the fuck are you talking about

[long pumice]

drunk like grand mockery seems to be very popular in many social circles

not sure how the practical statistical odds fit, like all names ...

it was Al Gore vice time

[solid snow]

i think you may need professional help

[long pumice]

FBI help?

[solid snow]

no, like psychoanalysis or something

[long pumice]

that is socially debilitating insulting in an already isolated situation

[solid snow]

you do you ig, there's nothing wrong with seeking help

[jagged forge]

you spewing nonsense is not really helping the isolation situation i'm guessing

[visual breach]

Yeah, what's wrong with seeking help?

[long pumice]

related to the mathematical names pattern Romania has Nicusor Dan (little-devil karate-dan) as mayor of its capital. He is a former IMO gold medalist with a very slim professional CV otherwise. We are waiting for a repeat of the large 77 earthquake which seems to have a pretty regular repetition pattern. Did people mathematically fix-up construction safety paperwork?

[lunar sky]

When you guys listen to music, and imagine yourself on a chalkboard in front of a large crowd of people presenting a revolutionary new theorem, what are the details of that theorem?

Or do you just imagine yourself as the discoverer of an old theorem? If so which?

[latent edge]

It's laughed at in my culture

and besides I have 0 trust in psychiatrists here

[visual breach]

Hmm yeah, psychiatrists are often not great tbh

[brittle socket]

Abstain from bad psychiatry

[long pumice]

brutally fake things are very bad

Truth comes before the constitution. False things can't be constitutional. Any sane human constitution would trust good not evil. Good is not just a feeling or a toy story. Many use religion and God view for interpreting good. Sane, balanced, true justice is essential for good.

https://x.com/MihaiVzr/status/1661098288211173382

did you notice that the solar system is like a 4 - 4, 2 - 2 - 2 -2 planets toy like setup

4 huge planets, 4 rocky planets

[jagged forge]

i’m just going to ping <@&268886789983436800> at this point

this is basically spam

[long pumice]

at mathematics? the basic statistics of natura?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_resonance

[jagged forge]

you have posted lots of words and not much mathematics

[storm sage]

Oh boy what am I looking at

[long pumice]

I am pressing desperate in this situation: https://mihaiv.wordpress.com/2023/05/15/communication-problems-and-important-human-issues/

[zealous garden]

don't forget pluto and ceres (, and ...)

[storm sage]

I've looked at the things you've said, and it doesn't seem like you've made any coherent statements

It seems like a slew of random words to me

[long pumice]

you must be reading something completely different

[fresh comet]

[storm sage]

[leaden torrent]

ok regardless of whether your posts have some sort of deeper meaning or whatever, youre clearly just using them to advertise your blog

[frail lagoon]

Quasicoherent statements

[dense wraith]

Eric?

How to manage if you want to learn something but have no time to do so?

Is studying mathematics only during the weekends even possible? Anyone that self-studies beyond their degree can give me some advice?

[mint canopy]

Simply gain a time turner like that funny wizard book for kids

Yes it is possible to work on weekends

I don't recommend it tho

[ocean harbor]

you could study math for 3 hours per day if you want

[south kelp]

"working" on weekends is fine if u enjoy it and it's not actually work imo but I'm not mentally healthy by any means but I don't think I would be even if I never ever had any stressors so

idk I feel like if u find it stressful to study then don't but if it's become a hobby then do it?

I personally don't really feel like doing anything else on a weekend but reading and listening to Spotify unless a couple friends happen to be online to watch anime but that's just the spot I'm in ig

[uneven tinsel]

[dawn yew]

Am I allowed to ask for help on the help channels about something mathematics related, but not something on my homework?

[gusty socket]

yes

[lilac current]

How do i go about citing arxiv papers in APA? This is the specific paper i was looking at https://arxiv.org/abs/2006.03878 for example

[iron jackal]

It should depend on the type of citation you're gonna use

There are sites for citations like APA, MLA 9 etc.

Put the PDF link and the date when you accessed this paper to cover the possibility that the paper might be shut down, you never know 🤷‍♂️

https://www.scribbr.com/ <- best citation maker

[humble quest]

Can anyone tell me where should I post my integration doubts?

[gusty socket]

either in #calculus or see #❓how-to-get-help

[humble quest]

Thank you!

[uneven tinsel]

No problem

[tender tulip]

Scheming

[frail lagoon]

Lol

[robust cosmos]

Guys I got a question, I have calc 2 coming up should I focus on reviewing things from calc 1 I struggled a lot in calc 1 but passed, or should I focus on programming

[ocean harbor]

are you taking calc courses for programming?

its up to you

for me I could do both

[uneven tinsel]

Calculator 2

[ripe needle]

Calc 2 is notoriously difficult of the 3 calc courses, although Calc 3 is equally difficult IMO

For Calc 2 you 100% need to have your various trig derivatives down and your trig identities.

[ripe needle]

Whatever grade you got in Calc 1, expect to get 1 grade lower in Calc 2 unless you've been reviewing the material

[uneven tinsel]

Nice prediction

[robust cosmos]

I’m doing calc 2 and programming class as well but CS is my general major

[robust cosmos]

Yeah that’s what I’m asking about, so I should focus on calc 2 and then alternate between programming or should I dedicate one day to studying calc and another to programming

[gritty crater]

It is basically the same to me

[slow robin]

idk i had a pretty easy time in calc 1, is calc 2 a lot harder?

[ripe needle]

No one can answer that. We all study differently.

[glossy dome]

Hi yall

Can someone help me out with the test in the likes of SHL?
I would appreciate

[ripe needle]

Calc 1 and Calc 3 build up throughout the course. If you can't keep up you'll be left behind. But if it makes sense then it's easy to keep using it.

Calc 2 pretty much every section in the class is independent of another. It's like learning 6 separate subjects in the course. Being good or bad in one section might not help or hurt you in another section

[robust cosmos]

Fair enough, but I guess proritizing calc 1 review over programming seems to be the way for now, but I think I’ll alternate everyday calc 1 and programming

[slow robin]

wow, it breaks every concept i had in my mind about math. so far math was like building a house, if you do not have what is before, you can't go up

[uneven tinsel]

Math is like a lift you can get to any floor

[gritty crater]

When you learn higher math then it is not true anymore

[slow robin]

i will not learn it because i'm studying information systems, so i'll learn only the "basics" of math lol

[fresh comet]

when you learn higher! math, you are not true (to yourself) anymore

[ripe needle]

Seriously this has to be botted. A trigger word for "higher"

[fresh comet]

higher!

[ripe needle]

Trig identities and Trig derivatives. Like as much as you can. Even half angle and double angle

[gritty crater]

every time someone mentions higher you suddenly appear

[ripe needle]

It's just calc 2, semi-annoying

[ocean harbor]

nice

good wbu

[fresh comet]

perhaps I am a robot

[ocean harbor]

oof

eep time then?

[robust cosmos]

I see thanks

[tawdry pecan]

[neat lintel]

eep

[ocean harbor]

eep yeah

gn

sleep well

skill issue 🗣️

[tawdry pecan]

-# yes

[ocean harbor]

it literally says yes

lmfao

go to sleep

i gotta study analysis

[dense wraith]

Oh, i already do. It's just that i have interests beyond ny degree and am looking for wqys to fulfill them

My*

Ways*

[ocean harbor]

nice

[dense wraith]

I just wonder how people actually balance those two needs, you know

?

[ocean harbor]

depends on their time?

[dense wraith]

I suppose so. I guess i'm just a little conflicted about people that can do all their work and still find time to learn and research whatever they want

[ocean harbor]

indeed

[static lark]

Hey guys! I am new here, so I hope I drop this in the right channel. Is it more suitable to do this as a discussion or should I drop something in a help channel?

Either way, I am looking for a suitable function for turning a diff between two numbers into a probability. Or, it doen't have to be a diff necessarily, I want to compare them and get a probability out of it, a diff just seemed like the most natural way to do it for me.

The characteristics I am looking for are that the outcome should be strictly between 0 and 1, when they are equal the outcome should be in the vicinity of 0.5, and it would be diserable to be able to move this point up and down with a parameter. When the two values are close, then a small change in either should make a significant difference, but I don't want the result to approach 0 or 1 too fast when one outgrows the other.

A function I have toyed around with a bit is this one:

probability = 1 / (1+e^(-k * (number1 - number2)

It's somewhat what I am looking for. I think it behaves quite well for small differences, but I would like something that approaches 0 slower for large negative differences, and 1 slower for large positive differences. Yes, I can tweak k, but that only stretches the curve. I would like to alter its shape so that the curve saturates before it gets too close to 0 for big negatives and 1 for big positives, while still having 0 and 1 as limits.

Any suggestions? Can I tweak my function to get that shape? Am I better off using another function as a starting point?

[river moon]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigmoid_function

[static lark]

Yes, I am looking for a sigmoid function, the one I started with is one for example. But I struggle to find one that has quite the shape I am looking for, for large numbers.

[river moon]

and you are not satisfied with all the examples in this article?

[static lark]

they don't seem to saturate quite the way I want them to

[river moon]

this is too vague to provide any actual recommendations besides just tweaking coefficients in the already existing examples

[static lark]

yeah, maybe that's what I should do, try tweaking them one by one and see how close I can get to what I want, and if I can't get there, then maybe I can at least get some examples that demonstrate better what I am trying to do

thanks for the pointers!

[shadow summit]

hey everyone! does anyone know of any lgbt + math discord servers?

[pulsar finch]

is great teacher onizuka any decent

[north topaz]

cool idea btw

[static loom]

dont look at the server icon

[shadow summit]

i saw that :p just wondering if there were any more discord servers with a stronger emphasis on lgbt community and mathematics

[brittle socket]

I summon thee... higher!

[fresh comet]

[uneven tinsel]

[halcyon magnet]

hi everybody, searching for university to study pure math as bachelor. can you help with choosing uni?
specifically,

1. i need to learn in english language as international student
2. what program should i choose? discrete math aka programming&computer science are not fields of my interest and so goes on for any applied field within.
   but if any such programs at uni are too good, you can mention and tell why i should keep an eye of them.
3. ideally, budget is up to 3000 US dollars for semester, but i think i can handle 5000 if place is perfect for my needs (looking at specified
   upper conditions).
   thanks in advance!

[surreal sapphire]

that pretty much rules out all of the US?

many countries in europe offer tuition-free study but mostly to other european citizens

this question depends very heavily on where you are from

you also have to consider cost of living and other stuff

overall i dont think this server is equipped to help with this much, certainly not without more information

[north topaz]

if you're worried about money (cause everywhere international is going to be more expensive than your budget)

study in your home country, do well

then you can apply to graduate schools internationally

also if you're doing a masters' or PhD by research the uni pays you some money

[uneven tinsel]

Study in my university

[neat lintel]

A university in your home country

3000 dollars is not going to be enough for most places abroad unless you take a loan

Even if you find a place with low tuition fees you have to factor in cost of living and housing

[halcyon magnet]

ive meant it is appropriate for me to spend 5000 per semester only on education

[neat lintel]

Tuition fees, books etc?

Not including cost of living?

[halcyon magnet]

yes, this does not include cost of living

[halcyon magnet]

tbh university aspect is my way of seeing things. i just need any way to rigorously studying maths. i ve spent some amount of time in group theory basics, but got frustrated of lack of real conversations with different people and development in proofs in realtime. so i ve came to conclusion only university can give vivid life with growth

[neat lintel]

Where are you from and which part of the world would you like to study in? There are many places where you can find low tuition fees like Taiwan, Malaysia, France, Poland, Norway... Cost of living can vary significantly though.

[halcyon magnet]

southeast asia seems okay to me.
i prefer not to speak about country of origin if this is appropriate way for continuing this conversation. country of origin is also reason for which i see option to go back there is last where i can go to study

[neat lintel]

Ok, as a European student I do not know much about south east asian universities.

[halcyon magnet]

you can speak about European universities also, i am interested just in case

[neat lintel]

Hard to find ones that teach in English at undergraduate level

99% of higher level is in English but for some reason all the bachelors are in their native languages

[neat lintel]

There are a couple and obviously the ones in the UK and Ireland but they are more than 3000 dollars

For mathematics

[surreal sapphire]

universities exist for the native population mainly

[halcyon magnet]

okay, considering all ive read, i'll try to restate my problem. i have a bit of background in computer programming, but i am frightened of possibility this discrete stuff is cell of mathematical knowledge for me. i have bunch of resources from which i can get sophisticated problems in this area.
opposite, i dont know how to get sophisticated problems in left area of math. what i consider as a sophisticated problem here (just subjective opinion, i clearly understand): any niche topic which students get as their science work. so problem: is there a way to get access to these type of problems not attending of university? if no, can i ask to assist on program for me which gets me to point where i have enough knowledge where i can be within these problems and discuss on mature level?

problem is to be within framework and community as close as i can; way is minor detail

[tardy meadow]

how old are you?

also depends whether you're an AP or IB student

[halcyon magnet]

25, not a student

[tardy meadow]

i wouldnt really know that then

because obviously applying as a highschooler vs a 20 year old would be different

[halcyon magnet]

what exactly is different here?

[solar hawk]

Not being in HS

[tardy meadow]

yeah, as a highschool when you apply to a uni they'll check your grades from 10-12

and your APs

however as a 25 year old you cant rlly take aps cause you are not highschool age

therefore it wouldnt be fair cause a 25 year old could possess even higher level knowledge and score 5s

[solar hawk]

Fr

Well

High schoolers can too 😭😭

You aren’t limited to HS topics and a HSer but

Ikwym

Idk how it works for old ppl applying to unis

Maybe they just accept all of them cuz there isn’t that many

[tardy meadow]

cause hs seniors are 17,18

at 25 u have 7 more ueaes education than a hs senior

which is crazy

[solar hawk]

Fr

[tardy meadow]

that's theoretically a jump from gr5 to gr12

[surreal sapphire]

uhh

you can spend time not in education

[solar hawk]

If I was in my 20s

[tardy meadow]

can

[solar hawk]

I’d spend time eating hot pockets

But that’s just me

[tardy meadow]

but some people will not

and so ap cant let them do that

[solar hawk]

It would be pretty weird to see an adult in an AP CSP exam room 😭

[surreal sapphire]

to address the original question, im not quite sure what you are asking
you want to work on "sophisticated problems" in mathematics?

what does sophisticated mean here

[solar hawk]

I think they skedaddled

Woah they didn’t

[surreal sapphire]

your 20s are the time when you have to start eating healthy and working out unfortunately

[solar hawk]

Oh

That fucking sucks

I already hate doing that

Hot pockets r sorta healthy tho

[surreal sapphire]

american spotted

[solar hawk]

😭😭

It’s healthier than some of the stuff in school cafeteria

[surreal sapphire]

american spotted oof

[halcyon magnet]

i (subjectively, in my head) defining sophisticated problems as problems which i cant just google; for which i need special framework and community which both forming my set of problems and problem-solving attitude

[surreal sapphire]

well

you can google every problem in a math undergrad probably

[halcyon magnet]

in cs there is plenty of stuff from hanoi towers to crafting interpreters

[solar hawk]

💀idk how it’s legal to sell doughnuts and cinnamon buns and fries to kids at school lunch 😭😔 shit is wild in there 😭🐸

[surreal sapphire]

math (other than cs) requires a lot of background to reach hard problems

[solar hawk]

Untapped technique I have not been exploiting for Rudin revealed

[surreal sapphire]

we have been doing mathematics for 4000 years, the sophisticated problems are hard and require lots of background to even grasp

[halcyon magnet]

so question is about this 'lots of background'

[surreal sapphire]

without a university degree its virtually impossible to think productively about mathematics

[halcyon magnet]

where and how to get it

[solar hawk]

Oof

[surreal sapphire]

i think for most people they have to get a degree in mathematics

[solar hawk]

That’s rough to hear 😭😭😭

[surreal sapphire]

and then they need even more guidance from an expert

[solar hawk]

I have 8+ more years until can think productively about math 😭😭

[surreal sapphire]

in mathematics its not unheard of for phd students to only publish papers towards the end of their degree

that might be after 10 years of studying mathematics full time

so...

[solar hawk]

😭this shit is hopefully

Hopeless*

I’m finding a new career aspiration asap. Hot pocket eater: top 10 jobs of all time

[surreal sapphire]

i mean there are problems involving mathematics that are more low hanging

say in computer science

and some fields of mathematics require less background

but the definition of sophisticated problem is quite strong here

i interpret this essentially as doing research

most people need a personal advisor to do research

thats why phds work like that lol

[solar hawk]

Oh yeah I heard Dami talking about that once I think

Like problems that are only open

Cuz nobody cares about them

Or something

[surreal sapphire]

then it wont really be an open problem

[solar hawk]

What will it be

[surreal sapphire]

some subjects are just easier

[solar hawk]

Clopen problem XDD

[surreal sapphire]

to be an open problem, someone has to care about it

[solar hawk]

Huh

I thought open was unsolved

[surreal sapphire]

yes

but someone has to ask the problem first

[solar hawk]

What if

I ask a problem

And then solve it

[surreal sapphire]

yes, you can do that

but without proper motivation, that wont be published

[solar hawk]

Oh

I forgor

[surreal sapphire]

research always happens in the context of other research

[solar hawk]

Did u publish stuff

[surreal sapphire]

yes

[solar hawk]

Damn

That’s cool

What did you publish it in

[surreal sapphire]

bad to mid tier journals

and bad to mid tier conferences

[solar hawk]

Oh

😭

Ok bye thanks for talking to me

👋🐸

[surreal sapphire]

i mean if you arent in the field, you havent heard of the journals that exist

i dont even know most journals

i say bad tier but really this isnt true

at least i only publish in peer reviewed journals and dont do pay2publish

[solar hawk]

Is AMM good? Or the journal of DG?

[surreal sapphire]

AMM is very good, yes

[solar hawk]

O

[surreal sapphire]

dont know the other one

[solar hawk]

What about the other MAA journals

[solar hawk]

Oh oke

[surreal sapphire]

they are very specific arent they

[solar hawk]

Yea

And not very research I think

[surreal sapphire]

in general you can always look at the impact factor of a journal

which is an ok metric

[solar hawk]

Oh ic it now

[visual topaz]

It's even better if you don't care about impact factor and literally just read articles

You can tell what's good and what's not

[surreal sapphire]

until you have tenure you have to care

[solar hawk]

Some of these don’t have an impact factor 😭🐸💀😔 so I guess that just means they don’t do much research in them

[surreal sapphire]

mathematics is a bit weird

mathematicians dont publish a lot

and as a consequence, math isnt cited a lot

[solar hawk]

So

Can someone publish not research stuff

In these journals

Before doing a PhD program

Or like

Is it still the same as

Sup

[surreal sapphire]

journals publish research

you can publish before doing a phd, sure

anyone can submit papers

[solar hawk]

Ye

[solar hawk]

But you can’t do much serious research before PhD?

[surreal sapphire]

well

[visual topaz]

There are undergraduate research programs

[surreal sapphire]

if you can do independent research, you dont need a phd lol

thats what a phd is for

[visual topaz]

Is there any reason you want to do significant research without a PhD?

[surreal sapphire]

i mean

[solar hawk]

No not anything specific

I’m just asking

[surreal sapphire]

doing a phd is doing research

[solar hawk]

😭

[surreal sapphire]

so if you want to do research, you should do a phd

this is where you learn how to conduct research correctly

but anyone can submit to journals

[visual topaz]

In PhD you learn the realities of submitting to journals

[surreal sapphire]

if you solve some open problem in your free time or wtv, you can write it up and submit to a relevant journal

[toxic gale]

aye haven't seen you in a hot min, hi loch

[surreal sapphire]

hi

[uneven tinsel]

Hello

[ripe needle]

In general across the fields, people who do this are bored billionaires.

Being in a PhD program and getting a PhD gives you access to laboratories, supercomputers, etc that rich people, universities, or the government pay for.

Every specific field is different, and even in a field, say Math, there's different specializations that are all different in what is needed to do research.

For example, you're probably not able to do meaningful quantum computing research in your living room.

[solar hawk]

Wait

Mathematicians do research In labs?

[true zinc]

yes

[solar hawk]

O

Like what fields

[surreal sapphire]

i don't know a single "bored billionaire" who does research

plenty of people do research without a phd though I never saw this in math

quantum computing research is still mostly theoretical

can absolutely be done in your living room

labs are just the rooms with the computers

[ripe needle]

Yeah I'm just trying to generalize and explain it to Amukh. Not a lot of real-life Tony Starks, they normally just fund groups or institutes and hire the brains, but my point was that a teenager with no money has a lot less chance to do modern research than someone who does have money. You can absolutely do as much theoretical work at home but it'll be hard for the average non-university person. Just like the 100 daily Collatz people who sit at home and shout out their results to the world.

There absolutely is research done from all over the world from all walks of life, I'm not refuting that.

Also that every field is different, like world-breaking cancer research won't be done from your living room.

Philosophy I'm sure can be done from your living room.

[ripe needle]

All

[surreal sapphire]

i think the main issue is not money but time and connections

ofc you could buy those things

the hard part about research is finding the correct niche to publish in

at least early career

[solar hawk]

Wdym?

[surreal sapphire]

ye sure, the example just wasnt great

[solar hawk]

What do they need a lab for

[surreal sapphire]

normal sciences require a lot more funding

for math research the most expensive part is the people

[ripe needle]

Fair

[solar hawk]

Food is expensive too

Mcchickens r up like

400%

[surreal sapphire]

you know computer labs exist?

[ripe needle]

Connections is definitely real there's a huge social aspect that I didn't realize when I was younger.

[surreal sapphire]

mathematicians will need a computer and a room to sit in: a lab

[solar hawk]

Isn’t that

Possible inside home?

I have a computer in my room

[surreal sapphire]

sure, but it sucks

[solar hawk]

Oh

[surreal sapphire]

and its not so great when collaborating

[solar hawk]

Mathematicians socialize? That’s wild

[surreal sapphire]

you need people who research with you

but more importantly early on you need someone with an overview of all research in the field to advise you

otherwise you can't find your niche

[ripe needle]

The Manhattan Project didn't just have physicists, they had mathematicians as well.

Error-correction between the data sent from Earth and Mars is an issue that has a lot of math behind.

There's a local place I'm interested in that does some SONAR work. Of course they have engineers and whatever other people but they also hire Masters and PhDs in Math.

There's a Math guy I saw semi-recently that did his PhD on PDEs, specifically what happens when a river hits the ocean and how does that affect where pollution goes. He had to actually go visit these places and collect data from the ocean and rivers.

Depending on what you want to define as research and lab, there's tons of places that Mathematicians squeeze their way into.

You don't have to just sit there and stare at a chalkboard in a university your whole life.

[old sequoia]

Thats my dream job tho. Sitting and staring at a challboard

[true zinc]

saaame

[ripe needle]

[solar hawk]

Damn

[true zinc]

oh also it has to be chalk

[vernal token]

.. but you don't need a lab for that?

[true zinc]

it can't be a whiteboard

we hate whiteboards

[old sequoia]

i hate whiteboards yes

the term is so racist

[ripe needle]

Hagoromo chalk?

[old sequoia]

it should get cancelled

[true zinc]

we don't really care too much, anything's better than expo markers

[ripe needle]

I go through so many expo markers lmao

[vernal token]

[old sequoia]

i use ms.paint and power point

and project it onto a chalk board

[true zinc]

we hate when the markers start fading and we have to ask whoever's on duty in the math dept to go in the supply closet and get us a new one

[ripe needle]

Oh yeah I have a bulk box with me by the whiteboard lmao

I hate when the marked crosses another marker like red crossing black, then the red marker gets all messed up for a minute

That's really my only gripe with markers

[zealous garden]

I have whiteboards at home

[true zinc]

we asked the math dept if we could keep a black, green, and blue one at the board along with a few extras, they just said that we should bring our own

[zealous garden]

I can use whiteboards

I do not have a chalkboard

[true zinc]

a- DREAM

[ripe needle]

Yeah I buy my own often

[true zinc]

we have a single pack somewhere in our room at home

idk where it is

[ripe needle]

Same

[zealous garden]

I have one in my bedroom on the wall

It's the best

[ripe needle]

Back to school deals are going on right now stock up on markers for the year

[true zinc]

ooh yeah!

[ripe needle]

@solar hawk

[polar tree]

hol

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[ripe needle]

The preface to this book:

https://link.springer.com/book/9781468471021

[solar hawk]

Damn

Being a mathematician sounds interesting now

[ripe needle]

Wdym

Did it not before?

[surreal sapphire]

i think this is somewhat rarer these days

but many science departments need like a resident mathematician

mostly for statistics now sadly 😭

[surreal sapphire]

unless you do PDEs