serious-discussion

[surreal sapphire]

because its just weird symbol pushing and all the symbol pushing they did in the past obeyes more rules

so one might think its better to start with known examples and then have students notice more esoteric behavior from that

ring are a pretty good playground for this

[visual breach]

Oh

[surreal sapphire]

you have this entire zoo of rings with increasingly "less nice" structure

and you could introduce them one by one

and students can notice this structure via examples themselves and actually play with it

[visual breach]

I guess that could play out nicer

[surreal sapphire]

groups seems simpler but computations in them are actually more esoteric than multiplying and adding polynomials

[visual breach]

Certainly since group is more abstract, in that they are usually something which acts on spaces

Not a generalization of numbers

[jagged forge]

personally by the time I started looking at groups, I already was familiar with like, matrices and some of the matrix groups

so it just seemed to make sense i guess

[visual breach]

Opinion: High school should continue to teach matrices

It gives taste of noncommutative cases, showing that world is not nice even with math

[surreal sapphire]

its also worth noting that historically the abstract definition of a ring is older than of a group

yes, (permutation) groups were already studied previously but not in an abstract setting

the field of abstract algebra really started with the invention of ideals and then soon modern ring theory followed

[bronze pelican]

Interesting

What would you cover in an intro abstract algebra course starting with rings? @surreal sapphire

[vale plover]

check out aluffi's Algebra: Notes from the Underground for some inspiration

[bronze pelican]

[brazen mulch]

what high school is this about

[surreal sapphire]

yeah, i would probably follow that book, at least roughly

[urban beacon]

what isMAtrices why do we need to study this

[surreal sapphire]

pretty general question, cant really be answered like that

you can read the wikipedia article on matrices

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrix_(mathematics)

they're important because they can encode important data about many different mathematical objects

and at the same time they are very easy to compute with

[visual breach]

any high school

[brazen mulch]

@visual breach, bold of you to assume that every country even starts discussing matrices

[visual breach]

Hence what I said: High school should

[brazen mulch]

you said "continue"

[brazen mulch]

thereby assuming that they did it earlier, worldwide

[visual breach]

My bad, wording error

[brazen mulch]

High schools should teach matrices

is that what you meant?

[visual breach]

Yep

[fading crown]

can i spam ?

[vernal token]

40 years ago or so, they even taught the type of linear algebra you'd do in the first semester here

[visual breach]

Did you at least read the rule

[brazen mulch]

"they" is who, "the type" is what and "first semester" is when

[fading crown]

no (yeah i know i cannot)

[visual breach]

Then do that, read the rules

[vernal token]

1. German high schools (atleast in my Bundesland/region)
2. not only gaussian elimination that we still have, but actually rings, fields, ..., vector spaces, dimension, base, ...
3. First 6 months of the first year at uni

[brazen mulch]

I wonder what high school you're learning under

[vernal token]

Though this was 40 years ago, as I said

It's no longer like this

My teacher had it like this

[brazen mulch]

sure

what high school did they learn under 🤔

[vernal token]

Must've been great

[brazen mulch]

their high school better start at 19 years of age

[vernal token]

Also, my teacher had set theory in elementary school (venn diagrams, cardinals, ...), this was some experiment or something 40 years ago and it has been discontinued

Apparently they decided it's too abstract for elementary schoolers

[brazen mulch]

I really need to know for what age these schools started

[vernal token]

high school was from grade 5 to 13, now from grade 5 to 12

[royal creek]

ζ(s) = 1 + 1/2s + 1/3s + 1/4s + …

Oops

Wrong

Simplify the following algebraic expressions. A) -2x + 5 + 10x - 9. B) 3(x + 7) + 2(-x + 4) + 5x

I need help

With mah homework

Wait

[brazen mulch]

and the corresponding years of age for typical students?

[vernal token]

grade 12 is around 18

[visual breach]

Lmao what

[royal creek]

Nani

[visual breach]

Maybe it is true that mankind's intelligence is on downtrend

[royal creek]

Common sense isn't really common

[brazen mulch]

I have to be clarified what school definitions are being used

[royal creek]

Wait there is grade 13?

[vernal token]

There was, yes

[visual breach]

By high school, I mean the one you go to before university

Assuming uni at 19

[vernal token]

Now it's to grade 12

[royal creek]

Oh it got debunked in 2020

But some school districts in Oregon offer a grade 13

And in Canada grade 13 was replaced with OAC for students starting high school Grade 9 in 1984

[brazen mulch]

so last stage before undergraduate, got it

[royal creek]

New message!!

[brazen mulch]

huh

[midnight iron]

is there a way to keep track of the sig figs in binary?

[river moon]

what do you mean by that exactly?

[midnight iron]

binary number system

[river moon]

there are different levels at which you can "keep track of significant figures" and it also depends on what you mean by "in binary"

[midnight iron]

yeah

here's the exact question

[river moon]

by definition every rational number can be represented in binary given enough bits

[midnight iron]

i am learning about conversion from binary to hexadecimal (in digital electronics)

i learned that for the fractional part of the binary number, we need to add trailing zeroes in order to make convertible into a hexadecimal

for example 0.1000010 is the fractional part of a binary number

[river moon]

fractional part of a binary number?

[midnight iron]

yeah

I am sorry if I am using the wrong term here

[river moon]

numbers in binary system don't have decimal representation, they're integers

[midnight iron]

didn't get ya buddy

what do you mean?

[river moon]

by definition the number in decimal system can be converted to it's binary representation by counting the amount of powers of two that make up that number

[midnight iron]

yeah

[river moon]

and placing 0 and 1 in proper places

[midnight iron]

yeah

[river moon]

numbers of the form 100101101 are all integers, there's no such thing as fractional part

[midnight iron]

there is

[river moon]

this is why i'm asking

[midnight iron]

like 0.1 in binary is 0.5 in decimal

it's a one in the place holder of 2^-1

so, we get 1/2

thus 0.5

[river moon]

you can just assign 1 in proper position if the number has 2^{-1} in it

repeat the same thing for 2^{-2}, 2^{-3}, etc

[midnight iron]

yup!

but my question is different

it's about conversion from binary to hexadecimals

[river moon]

surely that doesn't require using any of that fractional business, it's just regular binary to hexadecimal conversion of integer to hexadecimal number

[midnight iron]

no, i think my question may seem stupid, but it is valid considering the method adopted to convert binary numbers to hexadecimal numbers

hexadecimals are used to conveniently represent binary numbers

for the integral part of binary numbers, we group them in sizes of 4 from right to left

[prisma plinth]

Integers or rationals?

[midnight iron]

integers

[prisma plinth]

Or irrationals I suppose, but that’s just turning it from a power series in one to a power series in the other

[prisma plinth]

Euclidean division

[midnight iron]

for example 10001010 would be 8A in hexadecimal

[prisma plinth]

Your decimal number is actually a “polynomial” but with x = 10

[midnight iron]

?

[prisma plinth]

$\sum_{n = 0}^{N}{b_n * 10^n} = x$

[midnight iron]

i didn't understand

[fathom swallow]

Mizalign

[prisma plinth]

Where b_n is 0 or 1

So you can use Euclidean division

[midnight iron]

oh okay

[prisma plinth]

I am on mobile right now, let me grab my computer to type this out easier

Actually btw this is why polynomial division is like long division, because numbers in base 10 are kind of like polynomials

[midnight iron]

i am actually more interested in the problem i posed in the beginning

[prisma plinth]

Going between basss

*bases

[midnight iron]

yeah

[prisma plinth]

Gimme a second

[tender tulip]

back

[midnight iron]

just to be clear, this is not an exact mathematical translation of a binary number to hexadecimal numbers

[tender tulip]

Okay so

Just an algorithm?

[midnight iron]

it's the way it's taught in digital electronics

[tender tulip]

I mean the algorithm can be done in arbitrary bases, but it's nice because 2 divides 16 (many times actually)

So if you have your binary representation, like 10001010, we know that 16 = 2^4, so we can break it into blocks of 4 digits, or pad it to a multiple of 4

(1000)(1010)

[midnight iron]

oh!!

[tender tulip]

1010 is 10 in binary, i.e A, and 1000 is 8 in binary, i.e 8

So we have 8A

[midnight iron]

so, this is an exact translation

[river moon]

this is quite literally the standard conversion from binary to hexadecimal

[midnight iron]

i had a belief this is wasn't the case

[tender tulip]

to do the reverse, you just take a hexidecimal number, like 8AF, and reverse it into (1000)(1010)(1111) aka 100010101111

[river moon]

what did you mean when you said keep track of significant figures in binary?

[midnight iron]

yeah

[tender tulip]

Sig figs are in respect to the base, usually, and it's kind of how many digits your mantissa in your "scientific notion" has

[midnight iron]

so what about when the number is such that there's an incomplete group

[tender tulip]

I.e floating point doubles have 53 significant figures in respect to base 2

[midnight iron]

we add zeroes right?

[tender tulip]

yes

That works because our base is a power of the other base

this works if we had like ternary (base 3) and like, base 27

[midnight iron]

i get it

but take for example .010110

[tender tulip]

same principle

[midnight iron]

what would its hexadecimal be

.58

[tender tulip]

0.(01011)(0000)

[river moon]

the dot doesn't change the fact that the number is still being interpreted as a regular binary number

[midnight iron]

dot == zero?

[river moon]

it's a matter of convention how you mark where the bit related to 2^0 is

you might not even mark it or put a bar or any other symbol

[tender tulip]

It's because any real number in base N is:
$\sum_{n = -\infty}^{m}{c_n N^n}$ where $c_n \in {0... N-1}$

So we can break it into blocks

[midnight iron]

observe that we added zeroes here

[fathom swallow]

Mizalign

[midnight iron]

that's when i started thinking about the loss of the actual number of sig figs in the original number

[tender tulip]

significant figures are NOT conserved between base conversions, usually

but because 16 is a power of 2, you can kind of take your sig figs of binary, and divide it by 4 and round down, or up

your choice

idk if there is a standard for it

Since you're essentially breaking up your binary number of the form x.xxxxxxx * 2^P

[midnight iron]

yeah

this was an awesome discussion btw

thanks man

[tender tulip]

you're welcome lol

you made me realize basically floating point doubles have explicitly 53 sig figs as there are 52 bits for the mantissa, plus the 1

[midnight iron]

i don't what i did but i'll take the credit

[tender tulip]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-precision_floating-point_format

[tender tulip]

People with imposter syndrome HATE this trick!

[midnight iron]

oh this is good

[tender tulip]

gtg

godspeed homie

[midnight iron]

🤝

[tender tulip]

I mean I didn't consider sig figs in different bases before

[midnight iron]

yeah got it! just had a look at the wiki

[normal fog]

Hello

[neat lintel]

hello

[loud snow]

Yeah but I wouldn’t understand the transiston from rings to groups

[surreal sapphire]

how is it better then to start with groups

i would motivate groups by just looking at groups of units in number rings

[gusty bridge]

just motivate groups by going

"you like symmetries right? you won't after this course"

then start with definitions immediately after

uh tbh though

i think i would struggle more with rings first

because rings are similar enough to something familiar

that i would probably be more prone to making assumptions that aren't actually true

groups from 0 is like almost forgetting everything you know

which is hard

but once you do it i think its good for you

[surreal sapphire]

the thing here is that its very easy to notice that some things arent true

bcs you know how to compute with polynomials

with groups its kinda weird bcs an intro group class has a lot of "meaningless symbol pushing"

its also very easy imo to build a ring that behaves in a certain way

say you want a ring that isnt an integral domain, you just take Z or wtv and build Z[x,y]/(xy)

this is very intuitive because you add 2 new elements that are zero divisors

say you want a ring that isnt a ufd, what do you do?

||Z[x,y,z,w]/(xy-zw)||

you add some elements and build 2 factorizations that agree

this gives you infinitely many examples and also teaches you how to build objects that behave in a way you want

and at the same time its very easy to do computations in those objects

[glass peak]

This is the 2nd time this has come up recently and I honestly wasn’t aware that people found basic groups conceptually challenging, I didn’t and to the best of my knowledge, most people in my intro group theory course didn’t either (it was bundled in with analysis 1 and everyone found the groups side of the course far easier, group actions were like the hardest part to grasp maybe?)

I feel like rings first would be a lot from the start, like starting with abelian groups and monoids (obviously you don’t have to use those words) and for polynomials you then have equivalence classes and stuff to worry about, but if you start with groups, everyone knows permutations and symmetries and matrices (obviously nxn matrices also form rings and vector spaces but still)

I’d be interested to see a rings first approach though, but I just don’t really see how that way would be easier conceptually

[tulip depot]

pls tell whats 2+2

[deep mango]

My issue is that even if rings are very familiar, the "special kinds of rings" are a lot more confusing

[neat lintel]

$suc(suc(\emptyset)) + suc(suc(\emptyset))$

[fathom swallow]

we is typing, they

[deep mango]

this is your first post in the server? is there a reason you joined this server just to post dumb stuff?

[neat lintel]

STOP being mean

[surreal sapphire]

stop feeding trolls.

[neat lintel]

I'm feeding them knowledge

[deep mango]

I would actually propose that one teaches abelian groups first

[glass peak]

Yeah while rings have a lot of nice properties, like modular arithmetic is easy, but people don’t describe them as a zoo for no reason, stuff like zero divisors and the lack of inverses can just feel weird for people

[neat lintel]

They will be like "what's suc" then start a career in number thoery resarch

[deep mango]

Because then you can learn quotients without having to worry about normality / ideals

[surreal sapphire]

in my mind everyone taking algebra did a year of linear algebra first which introduces groups and rings first (but doesnt really do much with them)

this includes basic math stuff like equivalence relations

[deep mango]

To me the one benefit of teaching rings before groups is that ideals are more inuitive IMO than normal subgroups

[surreal sapphire]

my algebra class also did basic constructions (quotients mostly) for both at the same time

[glass peak]

I would agree with that

[deep mango]

I actually immediately dont think i like this anymore

But

[surreal sapphire]

i would only teach comm rings

[deep mango]

I do think the focus should be on abelian groups after a first section of the course on general group theory

[surreal sapphire]

and then introduce groups where this breaks

[tulip depot]

broo

[tulip depot]

cant i just joke

i am just schooling

[glass peak]

My school takes a totally different approach group theory before anything else, then a course on LA which actually uses quite a bit of rings and modules

[tulip depot]

so idk these complex maths

[deep mango]

Like every third user that joins here makes that exact post first thing they say

[surreal sapphire]

i mean an intro algebra class should classify fg abelian groups right

[surreal sapphire]

gross

[deep mango]

I kind of like the artin approach of groups + lin alg simultaneously

[surreal sapphire]

i feel like you need more LA later then though

[deep mango]

But I also think knowing lin alg well before any other algebra is pretty important

[glass peak]

I mean you take an introductory LA course before either of them, but it’s much more computational (not fully, but it’s not exactly an algebra course either)

[deep mango]

so idk

[tulip depot]

why u are the only one , being angry

[surreal sapphire]

group theory many mathematicians dont need too much

but LA is quite important everywhere, so i really want a year long class on it

[deep mango]

just giving you a heads up so you dont get yourself banned, sorry for being rude about it

[surreal sapphire]

human please just read the channel topics and try to read the room, there is a serious discussion going on rn

[glass peak]

I mean it’s not far off the approach of Artin or DF it’s not that weird lol

[tulip depot]

ok

can this server help me with maths of like 10th standard

[surreal sapphire]

yeah, read #❓how-to-get-help

[glass peak]

But I think they are actually planning to switch it up in the future since there’s such a long gap between the intro la class the fully general one

[tulip depot]

ok

thanks guys

[surreal sapphire]

frontloading a class on groups seems like you do it just to hit students with abstraction

what are even the standard examples of week 1 group theory

[glass peak]

I think we started with basic graph theory to introduce the idea of isomorphisms

Then just started with the axioms

[surreal sapphire]

i think if you focus on matrix groups its fine

those at least allow computations

[deep mango]

I think it was mostly just groups of symmetries of geometric objects and the basic examples from elementary number theory

[surreal sapphire]

the main struggle for algebra students is not having enough examples imo

[deep mango]

and then a few matrix groups

[alpine verge]

I would subscribe to that.

[surreal sapphire]

the issue with matrices is that computing with anything beyond 2x2 is torture

one thing i would definitely do if i ever teach algebra is use CAS early on

this could fix many issues

[glass peak]

My LA/rings and modules class teaches sage with it

Which I do think is helpful, because on the rare occasion you actually have to compute something, like inverting and multiplying some matrices, you definitely don’t want to do that by hand

[surreal sapphire]

i compute things every day!

[glass peak]

I mean the rare occasion for this course not generally, I know lots of people use it lol

The commalg and alggeo courses next year uses sage quite a bit afaik

[surreal sapphire]

based

[glass peak]

But yeah it’s not typically useful in the LA class since the goal of it is to do everything as generally and abstractly as possible, so the coding assignments are generally quite separate

[cinder zephyr]

You'd probably want to mandate some sort of programming experience

Or use something like cocalc to offload the programming setup

Because teaching basic programming + algebra at the same time would probably require cutting corners on both

[surreal sapphire]

(luckily i will never teach algebra)

[cinder zephyr]

I think teaching algebra could be fun

[glass peak]

This is where the strict prereq system in Europe helps, everyone doing the course has taken at the very least 1 very good programming class so you can assume that

They’re not even teaching us programming in this class, it’s much more just that we have coding assignments in sage in addition to our regular homework

[plain owl]

what do you mean by that

my highschool computer science class was certainly not a very good programming class

[jagged forge]

yeah im not sure where the very good comes from

well i guess i'm not european actually

[glass peak]

Yeah this is worded confusingly, I mean everyone at MY uni has taken at least 1 good programming class because it is a prereq to the algebra class

[versed gale]

Haskell

[glass peak]

I think the strict prereqs thing can be good because it means you can safely assume things like that

[long matrix]

meow

[rapid briar]

[storm sage]

I don't like this because I could have learned programming well but not have taken that class

I feel like in general there should be recommended prereqs, but let people take what they want with the knowledge that they might fail (i.e. don't slow the class down for people who don't have the recommended prereqs)

[cold needle]

i find professors have difficulty in not slowing down because they habitually explain things

[storm sage]

My school has like an over-a-month period to drop classes though, I'm not sure how y'all's schools function w.r.t. dropping classes?

[cold needle]

So i vote for having preliminary tests prior to taking classes

maybe its too hardcore idk

[storm sage]

This is probably just too much effort on the prof's part/too stressful for students who are probably shopping around for classes during this time

I'd be in favor of having a preliminary HW assignment to check prereqs though

[cold needle]

It worked well for my calc 3 class but i can see how this is rough for other classes because they can't know well what the prereqs actually cover in full

[cold needle]

Yeah this is good too

of course i am also only talking undergrad math classes

[zealous garden]

Just let me test out of all the credits I should have anyways

[storm sage]

I think a preliminary HW assignment is even more useful for grad math classes actually when the prereq system is usually less clear, but in that case the prof can tailor the course more to the students' needs and interests based on the preliminary assignment

[cinder zephyr]

we have 8 weeks

It is probably the thing I will miss most once I leave this university to begin grad school

[storm sage]

[cinder zephyr]

having 8 weeks to drop a class without it going on your transcript is so so so so nice

I genuinely cannot fathom a 1 week deadline, or even 2

[cinder zephyr]

when I took the upper level algos class, there were too many students and not enough graders

so the prof gave a prereq check HW that everyone had to work on solo

enough people dropped

wasn't even that hard tbh but if you weren't comfy with the prereqs then yea it would be rough

[cinder zephyr]

this is what proficiency exams are for

[heavy mist]

anyone from toronto

[ocean harbor]

why?

[neat lintel]

doesn't exist

[heavy mist]

i didnt get u

[ocean harbor]

I asked why

I'm guessing you're planning for uni or what

[heavy mist]

sorry sorry i just dont have much friends and stuff coz i am an introvert so finding some

[ocean harbor]

not even irl?

that's sad

I am personally the same but like I dont care

[heavy mist]

kind of sad, can u dm me

[ocean harbor]

sure go ahead

[heavy mist]

i dont know how to, plz u dm me

[exotic anchor]

Hello, I've been working through the Natural Numbers Game and I've gotten stuck on the LessOrEqual world level 8 (x <= y or y <= x). Is there a good channel here to ask for help with this?

[reef carbon]

<@&268886789983436800> troll

[delicate mulch]

I think 1+1 = 3 not quite sure though tbh

sniped by metal 😔

[cold needle]

joy in the world

[delicate mulch]

oh nvm bot's just slow?

or did we somehow both ban

nah I got it

[reef carbon]

metal bishop moment

[glass peak]

While I do get that and it’s why I’m generally iffy about the strict prereq system, the class actually wasn’t bad if you already knew how to code, you could just do the assignments, the weekly ones were trivial and the 2 large ones were actually of a decent level

If it got fully bogged down in the real basics it would have been shit, but they didn’t so it wasn’t too bad.

Since I did physics too though I had to take their mandatory coding class and that was insanely basic, but luckily everything assigned was available week 1 so I just did everything right off the bat and didn’t worry about it for the rest of the semester, so like it can be made to work as long as they recognise there’s a range of coding abilities in the class

[glass peak]

We only get 2 weeks making it essentially pointless

[lofty mango]

I can relate that

[reef hornet]

In a question where i have to find the value for X would it count as a valid answer if i just plug in different numbers for X until i get the correct value?

[glass peak]

No because you’d still have to show you found all values of x, plus it’s just an inefficient way to solve problems

[half reef]

my best friend wrote me into a short story and i just read it and its about someone stalking me 😭

[spiral flame]

A 'Perfect Blue' fan I suppose

[solar condor]

Somebody in the Christ centered discord just claims that 2019 was their personal best year because fortnite was at its peak.

It's official, the church has fallen into apostasy.

[half reef]

the christ centered discord??

[solar condor]

It's a Christian discord.

[half reef]

quite the juxtaposition

[solar condor]

seriously the average age of my congregation is like over 60

[half reef]

not just that, this app in general tends to be quite far from god

[solar condor]

Hey, now it think about. If I post invites to the Christ Centered discord here, and I get banned for adverting. Can I count myself as a martyr?

[half reef]

lmao

[burnt ledge]

Lmdao

why is the fortnite thing apostasy but that fine

[solar condor]

Fortnite is cancer

[burnt ledge]

but discord isnt

[quartz sluice]

helo!

is anyone into calculus here

[latent edge]

No

[neat lintel]

lol

[cursive apex]

No

[ocean harbor]

#calculus

[quartz sluice]

lol

okay'

why

[lofty mango]

Yes there are many good things to do instead of playing that

[little atlas]

any one on collatz conjecture

[lofty mango]

Damm that's something interesting

[little atlas]

also known as 3n+1 rule

[lofty mango]

Yup there are two rules in it actually

[little atlas]

kakutanis problem

[lofty mango]

Yeah

[little atlas]

yeah

anyone researching about its proof

[paper widget]

Is there a section for stats of psych

[little atlas]

what?

no one has either proved the conjecture or disproved the conjecture

anyone's on it

[glass peak]

Not really, it’s both incredibly hard to prove and would offer nothing particularly useful so there isn’t really anyone working on it actively

[little atlas]

k

i see

[alpine comet]

Not that it's incredibly hard, just that we don't know how to approach it effectively

We don't even have any meaningful partial results

Unlike, say, RH, where it has been proven for many other fields iirc

[neat lintel]

can someone help me with a question

like dm me please

[storm sage]

Use the help channels here: #❓how-to-get-help

[lofty mango]

Question 0f what topic?

[woven whale]

yes

i know a guy

[storm sage]

[random tangle]

Yea but read how to get help page first

[uneven lily]

How old is too old to get into a Math PhD program?

[vivid halo]

21

[ocean harbor]

50

[ocean harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/you-sure-about-that-i-think-you-should-leave-with-tim-robinson-are-you-absolutely-certain-are-you-positive-can-you-verify-that-gif-10549268703103241949

[cold needle]

im 21 rn

its grover for me

[glass peak]

Average mathcord prodigy

[meager sonnet]

bleak

[vivid halo]

you're under 21 though you got time

[meager sonnet]

so true bestie

I'm also in a program

[undone spear]

6 years till too late for me 😔

[glass peak]

Guess I just need to skip the last year of my degree if I want a chance

Never mind it’s actually just too late for my I’ll be 21 before next apps season

[tall minnow]

last year of undergrad = applying for grad

[neat lintel]

congrats, best luck.

are you in pure or applied mathematics?

[tall minnow]

I'm not talking about myself, if that helps

[glass peak]

Im planning to do a masters first so i wont be applying next year, id still be 21 while applying even if i didn’t do the masters though

[neat lintel]

ah, I see, I misunderstood the sorry

[vivid halo]

the virgin "applying for grad school while finishing undergrad" versus the gigachad "take a gap year and read 100 papers"

[neat lintel]

the gigachad doing uni as a side task with learning and doing everything you like (with honor degree)

[loud snow]

Irl do you think this ever works?

Not gradschool but anything

Not good enough or low confidence -> study up informally, no institution -> achieve goal

Like job or school or hobbies

I feel like these things value institutionalize knowledge significantly more than independent

[visual breach]

Fk I am doomed

[vale plover]

pen users, do you prefer black or blue ink?

[latent zodiac]

black

[peak tide]

always black

[latent zodiac]

whatever color the pens i find on the ground are 🤷‍♂️

[visual breach]

I could accept red

[latent zodiac]

my calc teacher mad at me for using yellow

it is what it is

[cold needle]

a yellow pen

Bro

[latent zodiac]

for the sole purpose of pissing her off

[cold needle]

Opinion discarded, watch this instead: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4_j5W8-L3g

[agile fiber]

big fan of doing the main notes in black but having 3 other colors on hand for highlights and diagrams

[dusty spear]

I’m year 12 college now (Australian), and I’m taking what is the second highest level of mathematics behind specialist. My final year has just started and I just don’t think I can do it. Our teacher is very foreign, and respectfully almost completely unhelpful. She’s lovely but I can’t see myself even scraping a pass together. I really do want to drop down a level, but my parents are refusing as I’ve done “well” in previous year (consistently top 20 among around 200 students ish excluding specialist), but even then I’d only really be getting Cs which is about 55-60~ percent on tests. I just don’t know what to do. It’s my first day with the new class and I’ve spend an hour on the first textbook page. I just don’t understand. In addition it just drags down all my other classes as I can’t give them time. I just don’t really even know what to do

[neat lintel]

Ignore your parents, drop down a level

[fervent flame]

it sounds like youve already made up your mind about the class

also this is probably a bit of an early/overreaction

give it a few more days and stop being a debbie downer

if it still sucks

then switch

[dusty spear]

Thank you I appreciate that :).

[dusty spear]

I haven’t, it’s why I’m asking for advice.

[vale plover]

what are your three other colors

[fervent flame]

this was my interpretation as i read it, it sounds like you've given up/accepted defeat to this class

[agile fiber]

blue, red, green, purple. just the colors that came as a set when i bought it

[fervent flame]

which certainly wont help in succeeding in it

perhaps this is the first time a class hasnt gone smoothly from the getgo

but still

keep a positive attitude, maybe talk to a prof, and if you arent making any progress, then switch

[neat lintel]

bro got a 50 on all their tests, how is it an over reaction

[fervent flame]

not US grading system... pls use eyes and reading comprehension. C is 55-60 which is... a C

aka

[neat lintel]

C is still awful

You would get academic probation with Cs

[fervent flame]

you are dislikable

[neat lintel]

You are clueless

[dusty spear]

Thanks for the help guys 👍

[dusty spear]

Thank you for sticking up for me, means a lot champion

I’ll stay for a bit longer :).

[agile fiber]

...what kind of school do people go to where C's get you on academic probation

[neat lintel]

Not familiar with academic probation. Grades < 2.0 give academic probation. I thought it was grades <= 2.0 until looked it up again. C is still just 2.0 not that far off

[leaden torrent]

this is a high school

i have never heard of a high school giving any sort of probation for anything besides outright fails

(or plagiarism)

[neat lintel]

they said college

I’m year 12 college now

[leaden torrent]

"year 12 college" means high school

[neat lintel]

what?

[leaden torrent]

why are you commenting on the australian system without understanding it

[neat lintel]

i thought college was college sorry

[dusty spear]

Thank you, sorry should have tried making things a bit clearer

[leaden torrent]

(theres a technical difference but the point is that theyre both secondary level)

anyway reading your post i would not be concerned at all

for one, if your teacher is genuinely incompetent, then thatll probably factor into your class' grade distribution

but regardless of that point, most learning in mathematics happens during exercises, not during lecture

plenty of students have passed university courses without attending a single lecture just by doing textbook exercises

im not saying you shouldnt try to pay attention in class or anything, just that theres ways to overcome these obstacles

i think youre kinda overstressing yourself

[dusty spear]

I do stress a lot especially about school work. Big concern of mine is not dealing myself appropriate amounts of time for other classes. The way the gaps work and from even doing practice work/tests from classes below, I'd be so unbelievably fine to just drop down a level. I'm just worried because i believe that times I've done well have been a result of some really good teachers. Comparatively I've actually done well in past our school has just had some really hard units.

I really have appreciated the advice from people, it has meant a lot

[leaden torrent]

also fwiw all high school math courses have 10 gajillion resources on the internet

so if you really do find the lectures inscrutable, you can go on khan academy or pauls math notes or whatever

might not align completely with the topics covered in your lecture but it should be close enough (probably a superset)

[fervent flame]

oh yeah. i used prof leonard every now and then for multivar in hs, not that our teacher was bad, but i didnt really pay attention a lot

[sonic sentinel]

why tf and how tf am i more stressed about school now than when it was exam time like two weeks ago

every day during exam time i could go to bed and sleep within like 10 or 15 minutes and get 8.5 hours or so of sleep, now i'm so jittery i can't even go to bed until like 7 hours before wake time

[errant ridge]

Why are you jittery?

are you drinking coffee before bed time

[sonic sentinel]

no

i drink coffee ~10h before bedtime, during school

[shut ermine]

do you work out?

perhaps you should work out

i fall asleep instantly, haven’t had trouble sleeping for a decade

mostly just doing physical activity forces sleep

[errant ridge]

,studying

,iam studying

[fathom swallow]

Gave you the studying! selfrole.

[vast wraith]

the food at my uni is way too freaking good

i ate @frail lagoon today, mwahaha

and some gulrot (why are there no carrots in here?)

[fervent flame]

olives

[frail lagoon]

How was it

[frail lagoon]

Looks nicee

[vast wraith]

twas amazing

was actually sweet potato prepare in three diffirent ways

[frail lagoon]

I just had dinner at my college lol

[vast wraith]

the one on the left was filled (i’ve no idea with what but it was nice) and baked

[frail lagoon]

Like uhhh what do you call it

I don't even know the name lol

Oh well paella anyway

Very tasty

[vast wraith]

sounds lovely

[frail lagoon]

I wasn't sure what kind of rice it was lol

[knotty spoke]

the food aside, bruh the color grading is amazing, the picture looks awesome

[vast wraith]

i found a good spot in my library building, there was some lovely evening sunlight outside

[knotty spoke]

Yea I see

[junior jolt]

i wanted to discuss a different version of halting problem

so (idk how rigorous this version of the proof is) but basically the halting problem proof relies on

def g():
  if halts(g):
    loop_forever()

i was wondering if you could just replace halts() with has_property() for some arbitrary property?

for example i could do:

def g():
  if does_not_print_helloworld(g):
    print("hello world")

if g doesn't print hello world, then it does; if it does, then it doesn't (there's no 'hello world' to be seen)

is this correct?

as a generalization of halting problem

[leaden torrent]

sure but theres an easier way to see this

[junior jolt]

is it basically

'we dont know if the program will halt so we dont know any property until it shows up'

[leaden torrent]

define a function f by

function f(g):
    if g returns [value]
        loop forever

and then apply the halting problem to f

the point is that "its impossible for a computer to determine whether an arbitrary program will halt" applies if you replace "halt" by any other criteria

"halt" is just used because the original formalism was turing machines

[junior jolt]

i just thought they thought halting was a particularly interesting property

by apply halting problem, do you mean to say 'we dont know if f will halt'?

[leaden torrent]

correct

we apply the halting problem to f

"we dont know" is misleading though

thats not what the halting problem says

the halting problem doesnt say its impossible to dteermine whether a program will halt

[junior jolt]

its for arbitrary programs

[leaden torrent]

just that a computer algorithm cant determine whether an arbitrary program will halt

[junior jolt]

oh ok

ye

[alpine verge]

The interesting question would be what are properties that can be proven (to not be decidable) through this method?

[leaden torrent]

all of them

to be a bit more formal, define a turing machine whose accept states correspond to the property you care about

this turing machine, by the halting problem, cannot determine whether arbitrary input will halt

[alpine verge]

Arent all of these properties just equivalent to some turing jump though?

[junior jolt]

why are we focusing on what g returns?

don't we care about any arbitrary property of g

also since g is the only arbitrary program here, surely we can only apply halting theorem to g?

[leaden torrent]

i mean, replace g by a function g' that just returns true/false if it satisfies [property]

[junior jolt]

ok fine

[leaden torrent]

the halting problem establishes the nonexistence of a program that accepts arbitrary functions as input and returns true if it halts

[junior jolt]

yes

[leaden torrent]

the contradiction in the proof of the halting problem is that the program cannot accept itself as an input and return the correct value

the point is that, if it was possible to computably determine whether g satisfied a certain property, we would have a function/procedure f that does this

but such an f cannot exist (for arbitrary g)

if you mean for a SPECIFIC g, then thats fine

its "usually" possible to determine the properties of a SPECIFIC procedure by just running that procedure

i say "usually" informally here, i am not aware of any combinatorial arguments or anything

i just mean like, in terms of questions youd want to ask

[junior jolt]

yeah

oh okay i get what's going on

i confused myself

[lucid bane]

<@&286206848099549185>

[ocean harbor]

?

I wonder why helpers ping are enabled in discussy

[lucid bane]

can you help me ?

[ocean harbor]

#❓how-to-get-help

[lucid bane]

noo its not a math ?

[ocean harbor]

it is

[lucid bane]

its a general one

plz help

i really want an answer

[ocean harbor]

just ask your question in a help channel and follow steps in #❓how-to-get-help

the pictures at least helps

[burnt ledge]

Fat and proud

[strange garnet]

how do you do weighted averages

[neat lintel]

$$\sum_s w_i v_i$$

[fathom swallow]

we is typing, they

[neat lintel]

something like that

[strange garnet]

what the freak

i dont think so

but thanks

[neat lintel]

Stop thinking!

[austere ether]

I've been awake for 27 hours

[neat lintel]

What have you accomplished?

[austere ether]

Team selection tests

I tried to sleep

But all I can think about is polynomials

[stray cedar]

Bro

[proven knoll]

Today I poured nearly all my wealth into ETFs

100% stocks 0% bonds

[neat lintel]

Based hodler

[junior jolt]

harpz The

(i messed up the capitalization and omitted the last 5 characters)

[gray barn]

Which country?

[neat lintel]

How would you prove that the best solution is to just order the digits from least to greatest?

You are given a positive integer N consisting of exactly four digits. Split N into two new integers new1 and new2 by using the digits found in N. Leading zeros are allowed in new1 and new2, and all the digits found in N must be used.

    For example, given N = 2932, you have the following digits: two 2's, one 9 and one 3. Some of the possible pairs [new1, new2] are [22, 93], [23, 92], [223, 9] and [2, 329].

Return the minimum possible sum of new1 and new2.

[visual breach]

Hmm, sell time I guess

[burnt ledge]

Whats ur problem

like SERIOUSLY

[wanton sierra]

Given 4 digits, one could try to show that for any other arrangement A, the way you order the digits sums to no more than the sum of A.

Is that what you meant by "best solution"?

[junior jolt]

sorry for being too cool for you, sorry

[burnt ledge]

Okay I'll accept

really no, its fine, we can be freunds again

[junior jolt]

im SO glad our friendship stays unrocked

[tender tulip]

Are you trying to come up with an algorithm?

My brain just goes:

Take like 398273, sort into [2,3,3,7,8,9]. num1's digits is the evens, num2's is the odds

so (238,379)

I think you can prove this relatively simply

[fervent pebble]

it says exactly four digits.

,w is 6 > 4

[fathom swallow]

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Click here to refine your query online
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Requested by valley143

[neat lintel]

fr like

[sharp pier]

infinity is a concept or like a direction

its not really a number

the same way

its too vague

and whatnot

it has to be a number to be subtracted at all generally

problem is infinity is really vague

id have to answer 0 in general

but like

it gets odd

yes

that

doesnt contradict what i said

[sharp pier]

because thats the point
it isnt being subtracted by a number so it doesnt make sense

right so what subtraction is at that point becomes vague

it isnt

and subtracting a tree from a tree is vague in process

sure you can pick up a tree but do you need to take away every molecule of the tree? what constitutes as a molecule of the tree? is the moss a part of the tree? is the bark apart of the tree? some bark fell off of this tree, is that bark a part of the tree?

subtracting infinity from infinity is also vague

is integer minus integer 0?

i will relay that answer to you

yes, if its the same infinity

but infinity is vague

[crisp seal]

What is really vague is what is meant by subtracting infinity from itself

[mental stratus]

[neat lintel]

its not vague

if the infinities in question are the same number then the answer is zero

if they aren't the same number then it depends on their value

[vivid halo]

[neat lintel]

Have you learnt something today?

[vivid halo]

Nope

[lunar spear]

Me neither

[flint jolt]

i can fix that

did you know, that i am on 46% on my phone right now

[neat lintel]

I know that now. Thank you for this information. It truly is such a wonderful world that we live in that we can grow and gain more knowledge at the push of the button. We should really thank all our ancestors for working so hard to keep the human race surviving and thriving. Without their dedication to the cause of popping out babies we would not be where we are today. I hope to one day contribute to man kind and allow our future generations to learn even more things. Maybe they will know what percentage your phone is at before you even know yourself. What a time to be alive!

[flint jolt]

lmfao

this is a chatgpt esque reply

idk y, maybe its the baby popping that makes it seem that way

[storm sage]

Alright if you're just gonna be condescending and mock other people, you're not welcome here.

[flint jolt]

nono its fine lmao

was a nonsense message so any reply to that doesnt really mean much

just jokes

[cold needle]

Its one thing to be funny and its another thing to over do it

but idk

[flint jolt]

he prlly didnt mean to be rude

i thought it was funny

[slate turret]

Thank you for this information. It truly is such a wonderful world that we live in that we can grow and gain more knowledge at the push of the button. We should really thank all our ancestors for working so hard to keep the human race surviving and thriving. Without their dedication to the cause of popping out babies we would not be where we are today. I hope to one day contribute to man kind and allow our future generations to learn even more things. What a time to be alive!

---

humor is such a thin thread to balance on sometimes

[flint jolt]

yea lmfao

been banned far too many times

friends cant take my jokes man

ends up with me making alts

[slate turret]

alts for free expression

im worried on day i might cross the line

i probably already have to someone w/o realizing it

[flint jolt]

i find it fine pushing

seeing how far i can go

[flint jolt]

lmao youre good

prbly

hopefully

[solar hawk]

hello

What is chat talking about

Today

[flint jolt]

idk i just recently spawned

youre gonna have to scroll a bit

[solar hawk]

lol I got

One of those recommended chat messages

It Said “Humor and Balance”

[flint jolt]

lmfao

[solar hawk]

That feature is getting better and better

Nobody even said the word balance

[storm sage]

Wait what recommended chat messages??

[solar hawk]

Like it pings u and says “xyz is talking about [smthn]”

[flint jolt]

ive never heard of this feature

[flint jolt]

OHHH

thats like the snapchat notifications ive been starting to get

x is on snapchat

[solar hawk]

For example “Jay [panda smthn smthn hurricane] is talking about differentiating matrices”

[solar hawk]

No that’s something else

I mean like a discord thing

[flint jolt]

like who tf r u, and y r u telling me youre on

[flint jolt]

but its similar right_

[storm sage]

Weird, I don't have that

[solar hawk]

Yeah

[solar hawk]

Ooof

[storm sage]

"Matrixes"??

[solar hawk]

XD

They must have been spelling it wrong a lot or smthn

[flint jolt]

how do u get this

[solar hawk]

Idk

Update the app

Iv had it for a while

[flint jolt]

maybe theyre talking about hypothetical universes in the matrix series?

[flint jolt]

never seen that

ever

[solar hawk]

Damn

https://tenor.com/view/happy-catto-cats-gif-2693509101423175460

[flint jolt]

hacker

[solar prism]

https://tenor.com/view/wink-wink-agnes-agatha-harkness-kathryn-hahn-wandavision-gif-22927975

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa 2>100

sos

[ocean harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/thinking-space-epic-mbed-fail-gif-21266064

[solar prism]

hati

[ocean harbor]

what

[jagged forge]

discord told me you were talking about college degrees and trolling this morning

[solar hawk]

LOL

Let’s see if can trigger more for people

You know what I love? Fish and chips

Gosh fish and chips are just amazing. The preparation is so fire

[jagged forge]

i have actually never had fish and chips

[solar hawk]

Dann

[tender tulip]

thinking sp

[ocean harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/blade-of-justice-geometry-dash-gif-20201672

what about this one

[proven knoll]

Blade of justice

[ocean harbor]

gg

[tender tulip]

is this blade of justice

[ocean harbor]

ye

its my favourite level

[tender tulip]

I thought it was Spacelocked II for a second

[upbeat current]

hi

[tawdry pecan]

what does this mean

reconsider though, look at this funny emoji i found: 🦐

[zealous garden]

Who did you bite?

[meager sonnet]

I love telling people something like "I'm scheduled to be dead between the 14th and the 17th, but I could squeeze you in on the 13th or the 20th"

[neat lintel]

Guys i have a really hard problem

What is 1+1

I cant get it

[surreal sapphire]

go troll somewhere else

[fervent pebble]

daily 1+1 poster

[raven plaza]

Squeeze

[neat lintel]

Yo guys question

In probability

It takes me like

5 mins

To solve a 3 dices question

Is there an easier way?

[idle skiff]

no

[lofty mango]

Do more practice to increase speed

[neat lintel]

Wait actually?

There is no like formula?

Cuz bro it rlly takes 5 mins

In my final exam

I need the 5 mins

As the question worth only 2 marks

[raven plaza]

What's a 3 dice question

Also #probability-statistics

[tawdry pecan]

It means there are three of them i think

[ocean harbor]

lmfao

[solar prism]

1000009>11000000000000

[loud snow]

Yeah

12 fold path

[neat lintel]

Damn

Is there a formula tho?

For probability

Or no?

This is the only way?

[fervent flame]

wtf is a "3 dices question"

[reef carbon]

wym "3 dices question"

do you mean solving something to do with the distribution of a 3d6 roll

[loud snow]

12 fold path

Its the way

Learn it and you will be better than all your peers at counting

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelvefold_way?wprov=sfti1#

To become counting god learn to decontextualize counting problems instantly into a graph or function format

Literally read this wiki article and spend a week coming up with different examples of viewpoints and youll be better than most

[long matrix]

create a 3 sided polyhedron

[wind kelp]

@neat lintel It'll be cheaper just developing a software for something that can run your program

instead of making hardware for it

[unkempt sedge]

anyone know physics here?

[neat lintel]

maybe some but check this channel #old-network you will find a physics server

[neat lintel]

ook

[proven knoll]

I know I was warned to check my stocks just once a year but I’m tempted to check it every day

[neat lintel]

Depends on how much money you have in your account and your goals

Its normal to check stocks every 15 minutes if you're balling like that

[jagged forge]

also depends on your temperament

if you're investing long-term (like most people probably should) and you're liable to panic sell then yea lol

dont check every day

[fallen mango]

Yeah

Honestly would you guys rather invest in buulding companys who got tons of land claimed for building or the smp500?

[tight comet]

I wouldn't use this place for investment advice

[surreal sapphire]

i would

invest in me

[brazen mulch]

so poor, can't even invest in oneself

[visual breach]

Way so many remarks about investing in mathematics server?

Honestly it seems like I should enter a short position soon

[jagged forge]

some people are into math for the money

[visual breach]

Sure, but IIRC it was not like this for about a year.

[jagged forge]

one time when i was a music major i ran into my high school friend who was doing a master’s degree in financial mathematics

and he was like “music? nah, get that shit outta here, do math and make money”

[jagged forge]

i wonder how much the server has grown

[visual breach]

In a year?

[jagged forge]

yeah

[limpid sand]

how long does it take to make money with fin math like how many books do i need to finish

[tight comet]

fin math is pretty boring

[jagged forge]

idk im still less than 1/3rd through my first book after several months

[tight comet]

if it's fin math already done, someone's already made a simple decision boundary for it

[jagged forge]

though i also put it down for a couple months because it was causing too much pain

[limpid sand]

is it like bifurcation theory and stuff

[tight comet]

if it's fin math not already done, then it's probably not very relevant

[limpid sand]

at what point do you "make" money

[tight comet]

when you join a company as a quant

more likely than not, most of the technical knowledge won't be very relevant

[limpid sand]

all my life ive struggled to grasp the concept of where money is made like in an mmo game you cut down trees and sell the logs and the shop magically prints money, but irl i can chop down every tree in the US and if someone with money doesnt want a log all my work is for nothing

my leading theory is everything ties back to the military sector, and its defense related tasks that "print money"

[tight comet]

what

[jagged forge]

nowadays many jobs are many layers removed from actually selling stuff to customers, especially in tech

there are jobs where your job is to help people in other jobs do their job better

etc

[limpid sand]

but that feels so fleeting, once the customer learns then you lose the customer

[tight comet]

what

[limpid sand]

i watted your what watson

[jagged forge]

get a job for the government or something then idk

but that too may be fleeting

when your department gets budget cuts and you get laid off

[limpid sand]

but the government wont be around long, ya

maybe farming is another source

food i guess

people need to eat always

but look at france mdr

[jagged forge]

i let the businesses worry about how to make money

they have all sorts of plans and tricks

as long as i get paid im good

[limpid sand]

do you not question if you are underpaid

[jagged forge]

yes

but you can also switch jobs for higher pay

or negotiate

[limpid sand]

what would happen if you asked to have the ceos job

[jagged forge]

i don’t want to be the ceo

my boss is the ceo and he is in meetings all the time

[limpid sand]

they sound cool

[jagged forge]

ceos in general? or mine

[limpid sand]

yours

i bet your office has a snack room with good snacks

[jagged forge]

i agree, tho im not sure what made u think that

well i work remote so i don’t have access to the snacks anymore

but yeah we have some good stuff

[limpid sand]

does your country have a postal service?

[jagged forge]

yeah

[limpid sand]

ask your boss to ship you a regular supply

i feel like people avoid talking to bosses like they are people, and it translates subconsciously and bosses subconsciously pick up on it and act crappier because of it

[visual breach]

Interesting

[visual breach]

Wat

I do think some kind of "worth" is generated by farming, yea

[limpid sand]

you should remind them with direct human questions like "The office has a snack room but my house only has a pantry that i hab to pay for myself. Can you ship me a box of snacks biweekly and bury the cost in the company books? If not, out of the ceos income works too." Remind them sharing is caring.

I feel like if you cant ask that in a meeting then the company doesnt value you

i genuinely believe this

workers having quality snacks would becof very high importance if i was a ceo

[visual breach]

Why do you think company would truly value any employee

It all comes down to money for them

[limpid sand]

It quells the rebellions

[visual breach]

Wdym "quells the rebellions"

[limpid sand]

https://tenor.com/view/crusader-emote-crusader-emoting-father-bread-boys-gif-14310414949731074019

[visual breach]

Ah, do you mean like

What if worker union interferes?

[next blade]

yeah no thanks, id rather be paid in cash money than in snacks

[zinc jasper]

Hey, I have sometimes problem to "snap" my focus to topic I am learning from book. Its like: I start in conscious state and then I go to automatic non conscious mode and I have to reread multiple times. I bet anyone can relate in some way. What are your thoughts on that?

[snow peak]

I do this so much

legit just read more

and take breaks

[faint light]

id like answers to this too (that aren’t ADHD meds)

[ionic star]

you don't want to learn

compare with listening to music

you learn the lyrics without trying

because it's enjoyable

like ark says drugs solve it by force making it enjoyable

[fallen mango]

If you got moving particles infront of you it gets your attention maybe? The best way is to study infront of a white wall

[bleak prairie]

hello

[ocean harbor]

helo

[zinc jasper]

Yeah, I have noticed that helps me a lot in the long run

[zinc jasper]

You mean placing moving particles somewhere on the desk can help me focus?

[fallen mango]

No i meant avoid them at all costs so ypu have no distractions

What your having is stimulation distress

Your addicted to dopamine or something so you keep looking at stuff, make as many less dostractions so your only stimulu is the math question

[zinc jasper]

Thats interesting, i will read about this

[limpid sand]

Well you missed the part of where the CEO pays for the snacks because they can afford them

You need to tell the ceo you cant afford the extra snacks

[next blade]

the snacks are implicitly out of your salary

instead of asking the ceo for snacks ask for their value in hard currency

[limpid sand]

Well you see, ceos care about money, and they dont want to share hard money. But they innately can understand the importance of snacks and will gladly supply them, which if you are smart you can barter elsewhere.

[bleak prairie]

how are you

[ocean harbor]

im good

hbu

[rain moat]

they care about roi, snacks have hella roi

[limpid sand]

finally someone who understands

[fervent flame]

ordered mine today

[jagged forge]

noice

how long till it arrives?

[fervent flame]

uhh i havent checked

lemme see

i cant find anything?

regular shipping is 3/6 days, so im assuming next next week

idk the order -> build -> ship turnaround

[jagged forge]

what specs did you get again?

[fervent flame]

7800x3d 4090

[jagged forge]

niiiiice

basically the best possible cpu/gpu for gaming

[fervent flame]

gonna be a real gamer^tm

yeah

[jagged forge]

what are you upgrading from

[fervent flame]

hp envy laptop

[jagged forge]

brb googling that

how old was it

[fervent flame]

from 2018*

let me get the specs

okay its

i7 8565U
intel UHD graphics 620

yeahh

mega potato

[jagged forge]

damn your mind is gonna be blown with your new pc

[fervent flame]

lmaoo yeah

whole new world

[spice zinc]

anyone good at basic algebra

[frigid pebble]

ME

I KNOW A LOT

[spice zinc]

actually can you please help

[frigid pebble]

YES

YOU CAN TELL ME YOUR PROBLEMS

OF MATH

I CAN TEACH YOU

[slow jewel]

awwww

[slow jewel]

what is it lol

[scenic patio]

#help-48 message
@worthy mortar: No. The message that invited action warranted far more serious repercussions than a mere time-out. And actually, that person was probably removed from the server (hopefully for ever). You were timed out separately for whatever reason applicable.

[neat lintel]

Just done my math exam, I failed my mom again ;/

If only I concentrated in chapter functions

[scenic patio]

Yo! Don't feel low, I'm sure that this exam has prepared you better for your next ones. Now, at least you know where your skills lack. You can work hard on improving yourself there. 🙂

[neat lintel]

Hopefully 😕

[scenic patio]

[runic egret]

No need to get upset man you didn't failed your mom.
YOU FAILED MATH.

[bleak prairie]

im doing great

[bleak prairie]

can i ask u ?

[shrewd ledge]

ho is watching anime

[ocean harbor]

ask what

[scenic patio]

u gotta do what u gotta do

[neat lintel]

Just ask your question. Anyone who knows will definitely help you.

[magic dawn]

what does the role emeritus mean here on the server?

[surreal sapphire]

people who used to be active but currently arent

[tender tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/hi-chat-hello-chat-sw-star-wars-battlefront-gif-1938605560562163363

[tiny saddle]

[long matrix]

ex-activists

[ocean harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-psychiatric-ward-discord-hi-chat-cat-jump-gif-23461811

[old oak]

slacktivists

[magic dawn]

I thought they are retired professors

[neat lintel]

Can somebody help me

[ocean harbor]

#❓how-to-get-help

[hazy shore]

where did u get that profile picture

[ocean harbor]

when you are new to discord it should shows you one of these

if you don't have a pfp

[hazy shore]

ohh alr

[tender tulip]

$\int_{0}^{\infty}{\frac{\cos(t)dt}{t^x}}$

[fathom swallow]

Mizalign

[ocean harbor]

[lyric scarab]

no gif here

no man

any way

[ocean harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/epix-image-perms-gif-20444679

there is

[lyric scarab]

??

why i cant

unfair

[ocean harbor]

you need an active role

[lyric scarab]

but ive boosted the server

well looks like money not solution to everything