serious-discussion

[leaden torrent]

and walked through how one would derive the multiplication rule from composition

[static loom]

I remember then learning to invert a matrix it's doing RREF

[leaden torrent]

i will confess though that i never think about (a×b) @ (b×c) → (a×c) in terms of maps though

i just memorize it

even if the commutative diagram intuition is much nicer

[static loom]

oh

like AB I imagine the columns of B as vectors all being mapped, hmm I don't know if that's something I was taught

[leaden torrent]

that intuition is fine too

[fervent flame]

are we sure ab this

[static loom]

like for instance, rotation and then shearing seems easy to think of in terms fo maps to me

[leaden torrent]

well maybe i shouldnt say rarely

but like

when its obvious then its easy to deal with

a bigger problem is when its not obvious

and your losses look fine and stuff

[leaden torrent]

i have pretty poor visual intuition for linear algebra tbh

i still dont really get why determinants correspond to n-volumes

like they obey the same algebraic rules as volumes

thats great

but i still dont see the direct connection

[static loom]

yeah the formula is a bit whacky

I kind of pretend I'm taking the parallelepiped and then shearing and stretching it by the properties until it's a cube and that all just works out

the fact that geometry and algebra are related is just the fundamental weird part I think

like I'm good with the distributive rule and thinking like a(b+c) = ab+ac means we can cut an a by (b+c) box into two separate ab and ac boxes

and then work up from there lol

like triangles are bh/2 but doesn't actually matter where the point is for the top that you measure the height from, so you start learning intuition for shearing at a young age as well

[leaden torrent]

yeah no i get why shears dont affect volumes, its more that i struggle to see the connection between the mathematical transformation and the geometrical warping of the plane

like i can derive it

but it doesnt come instantly to me

i need to think

[static loom]

I think another thing that I wish I understood sooner is, a linear operator means knowing where some basis vectors are transformed to tells you where all vectors are transformed to

instead it's like, "this is the definition of linearity: some axiom rules" which wasn't really helpful imo

[leaden torrent]

yeah thats more of a central pillar of mathematics than of scientific disciplines in general

but it is still a good one

the notion of generators and bases

[static loom]

yeah, to be clear I'm saying that once you make the first claim, you can pull linearity out of that

[leaden torrent]

sure

i think its obvious why linearity is "nice" even if you dont really understand that though

linearity is basically just saying "everything you want to do with this function from your high school classes, you can"

at least in R^n

it distributes, you can take inverses, etc

[static loom]

one kind of mystical thing to me is

well let's say I give you a matrix A, then when can I find another matrix so that when you look at all its rows, their dot products with the columns of A make 1 if they have the same index 0 otherwise, while also viewed as its columns, their dot products with the rows of A make 1 if they have the same index 0 otherwise?

sort of an obnoxious way of asking when does A have a left and right inverse

[terse slate]

[leaden torrent]

well yeah thats a case where the function composition definition makes way more sense

[river moon]

I still kinda wonder what makes gradient norm in ML problems vary so much even if the function is convex, I recently produced this graph

[leaden torrent]

idk enough about ML to answer that

[static loom]

might be explained in the paper

[fathom swallow]

Arki

[raven plaza]

[visual breach]

Woah

[fervent flame]

more details pls

[river moon]

what details do you need

[fervent flame]

what is the function in reference

[river moon]

it's logistic regression

$-\log L(X;w) = \sum_{i=1}^l \log (1+\exp (-y_iw^\top x_i))$

[fathom swallow]

Transparent Elemental

[fervent flame]

oh its just the logistic

and the noise wasnt due to train/val sampling?

[river moon]

this takes entire data set per iteration

[fervent flame]

hmm idt ive ever paid attention to concavity, ive always just assumed the lr was high whenever i see similar behavior

is it documented/known that its due to convexity?

thatd be news to me

[river moon]

no I was saying Idk why it's happening if the function is convex

I just didn't observe this that much outside of ML problems

[fervent flame]

oh ic

[river moon]

this is the kind of thing that usually happens (some random nasty function and LASSO regression)

(don't mind the peaks on the first picture)

[fervent flame]

right

[bronze pelican]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/801801823244517376.gif?size=128&quality=lossless

[fervent flame]

o wait what, k is epochs/iterations right? do u remember if the peaks/dips were single points?

could there have been floting point issues? depending on the number of points its plausible

or maybe not, theres jagged behavior at the start as well

[river moon]

the peaks are there because I'm using restarted FISTA algorithm, which behaves much nicer if I restart it, the restarts happen precisely when the peaks do

[river moon]

(if you meant this picture)

[fervent flame]

(im referring to the original one, not that)

[river moon]

otherwise no, this kind of thing I've seen even when using more classical version of gradient descent

and I think on smaller problem too, this one isn't even that big as well it's like maybe a 100 objects with 6 features

[fervent flame]

hmm, i guess im not too familiar with that behavior when not using batches, as pretty much every problem ive ever worked on i use them

at least outside of intro classes where the fits can be perfect

[strong zealot]

What do you guys think of stack exchange?

[glass peak]

Helpful sometimes, 90% of the posters are deranged

[vernal token]

What, why?

[glass peak]

Have you ever looked at a stack exchange post? You’ll get a 10 year old stuck factorising a quadratic and the top post will start with some grad level commutative algebra. Either that or you’ll ask a perfectly good question and someone will have a breakdown about formatting and or close your post because there’s a 13 year old unanswered question that’s vaguely related to yours.

I’m being hyperbolic obviously, stack has helped me a lot but like some of the people that use it are just weird

[long matrix]

kawaii

[misty zinc]

ypoooooo

[cobalt reef]

Does anyone know how to solve this integral? I assume using u-sub but I couldn't figure out the rest of the steps: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/624371278672953345/1179032669233877022/image.png?ex=65784ebd&is=6565d9bd&hm=35671bf8f71aaa9b6af4900cbbe2257e0e3feabf650f5dd50218ee12ade51346&

[gusty sinew]

Lmaoo

[karmic pier]

@cobalt reef use one of the help channels but i'll help for this time

[gusty sinew]

Do yk about integration by parts?

[karmic pier]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/624371278672953345/1179033384207527936/image.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/624371278672953345/1179033384207527936/image.png

@cobalt reef second image has the full solution so don't open unless you're confident you can solve by yourself

[limpid sand]

this is true

[rocky shuttle]

[little vine]

I want to try 1v1 on brood war but it intimidates me

[vernal token]

Hm, I don't really see much of your first point on MSE.
Also the second, normally, if you post your question TeXed up, then no one should complain about formatting (atleast no one did on my 15 or so posts until now)
And regarding your third, questions can only be closed as a duplicate if the related question is answered

Most of the people who close the questions seem to search with Approach0 (https://approach0.xyz/search/), so after you search with that and Google, there shouldn't be any duplicates one can find

Except out of memory, of course

[split pawn]

!nosols

[quasi jetty]

As a helper, please do not give out answers that could be copied as a homework solution. Have the student work through the problem themselves and guide them along the way.

[split pawn]

[ripe needle]

Or just the answer with 0 explanation on how to get the answer

[ocean harbor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/801801823244517376.gif?size=128&quality=lossless

[ember goblet]

This is why wfa >> stock exchange tbh

[chilly wharf]

how do you get the helpful role
like where does it get counted that you helped a person

[pearl crescent]

Dm if u can help me

[split pawn]

Huh

What

[split pawn]

!help

[quasi jetty]

To ask for mathematics help on this server, please open your own help channel or help thread. See #❓how-to-get-help for instructions.

[split pawn]

@ocean harbor my favourite gifs are gone. What did you do to my discord

What did you.

[ocean harbor]

What

I didn't do anything smh

[subtle karma]

Can anyone help me with how to prove that the improper integral of root(cot x) 0--> pi/2 is convergent ?

[split pawn]

!help

[quasi jetty]

To ask for mathematics help on this server, please open your own help channel or help thread. See #❓how-to-get-help for instructions.

[split pawn]

[ocean harbor]

My cs isn't here again let's go

I finished the linked list assignment

Idk what to do but imma do smth useful for myself

[split pawn]

That's for

Good

[ocean harbor]

?

I don't get it

[unborn lintel]

yo

wassup

[split pawn]

Sorry. Ignore the for

[ocean harbor]

Oh alright

[ocean harbor]

Hi there

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1048660781123780749.gif?v=1&size=48&quality=lossless

[sonic silo]

How many odd numbers over 40000 can you make with the digits 7 1 2 5 8 used each only once? Could someone run me through how to do this? Thanks!

[sullen sand]

does anyone know if there are any videos of serge lang giving a lecture or talking

i haven't been able to find anything, i want to see if he talks like he writes

that would be so funny

[little vine]

I'd fall asleep

[little vine]

Maybe I'll self promote here

[neat lintel]

Keep 5,7,8 one by one in the 10 thounsandth place ,and then normal permutation for the remaining

[neat lintel]

3 times 4!

[ocean harbor]

I drew something silly on the board during my cs class today

[dry drum]

@pulsar ravine I had seen in the Book Recommendations channel a thread about the historical intuition of algebra. Could you explain what you meant?

I don't think you meant that algebra was necessarily easy, but I'm curious.

Do you mean from an applied perspective (doing calculations) or from an intuition/motivation perspective?

[pulsar ravine]

Both though there are likely more intuitions and motivations. The other person on that topic knows more though, if you're curious it's definitely a fascinating subject

[dry drum]

I can understand the applied version. I imagine pretty much anyone could be taught to do calculations in a few days with basic algebra.

It's a bit hard to imagine someone understanding the intuitions behind algebra in a very short time, though. You don't really understand basic algebra until your 3rd or 4th year of undergrad if you're a pure maths major.

I suppose it's possible we have different ideas about understanding, though.

[pulsar ravine]

Yes certainly, but the intuitions have revealed themselves through their discovery, regardless of application. With modern application though it's the difference between a gifted genius and talented student. Even if something takes more time to learn that doesn't mean you don't understand it, just that it takes more time. If it's so alien that is difficult, then the intuition is more foggy or closer to 0.

[shadow ruin]

Where I can find someone how can explain some research papers in approximation theory

[dry drum]

I don't think there's any doubt of, for example, non-euclidean geometry or topology being less intuitive than elementary algebra.

But students in high school and college are asking pretty profound questions during their algebra classes.

It's good enough to know what a variable is, how to add something to both sides of an equation, and that stuff is very obvious to everyone, I think. But as to why it works, that question isn't even answerable without abstract algebra and number theory.

Things like the Peano Axioms are non-trivial. Ignoring Godel's incompleteness, an absurd amount of work was being done in the 19th century to prove what numbers even are. I think you could reasonably train a monkey to do division, but "why does division work" isn't an easy thing to answer.

In Courant's book "What is Mathematics": "We learn in school the mechanics of handling fractions and negative numbers, but for a real understanding of the number system, we must go back to simpler elements."

Number Theory as a study only exists because while it's easy to say "take this, add it to that, and so, on," but it's much harder to answer why it's the case. Is it divinely inspired?

For example, in Principia Mathematica, it takes them something like 200-300 pages to prove that 1+1=2.

[neat lintel]

[dry drum]

Apologies for the long writing. But a good deal of pure maths in the 3rd and 4th year is very non-trivial explanations of what is actually happening with an equation, why it works, etc.

Maybe I'm just stupid, but I didn't understand the "why" behind Algebra I and II until abstract algebra and, to an extent, real analysis. Maybe I am stupid lol.

But I distinctly remember asking in high school the why behind how algebra worked, why we are able to do thsee operations, why they work, etc., and I don't feel that I had those questions answered until my 4th year of college.

[deep mango]

I would suggest that the criteria for understanding here are too strong

[pulsar ravine]

Hmm well sometimes we all have those 'aha' moments that teachers never give us

[dry drum]

I really don't know how one can even try to understand why algebra works without field and ring theory. I think children are asking serious questions that are above their paygrade.

[deep mango]

Understanding doesn't need to mean being able to give an axiomatic explanation for an idea

[dry drum]

From a pure maths perspective it does, in my opinion.

[pulsar ravine]

But rediscovery through practice is definitely possible

[deep mango]

Definitely disagree with that at just about every level

[solar hawk]

lmfao why is that poster so relatable every school had that poster

[dry drum]

One can do calculations in calculus, but you don't understand calculus until analysis.

[solar hawk]

in that exact same font

[deep mango]

Understanding to me has very little to do with seeing formal proofs

[pulsar ravine]

And in the context of the genius vs talented student, both will reach the same conclusion given enough time

[solar hawk]

maybe has to do with intuition

[dry drum]

Engineers can do calculus for a very, very long time, with four classes of calculus, but it fundamentally isn't what calculus is. No matter how many times you rep out problem sets.

[deep mango]

You can understand why something should work via heuristics, well chosen examples, having done lots of representative calculations, etc

[pulsar ravine]

In essence, math is man made, so it should be able to be understood by man

[deep mango]

You can tell someone why riemann sums converge to an integral and are a good tool for defining integrals without doing any proofs

[dry drum]

This is agreeable to me. I just personally don't think it's very easy.

[pulsar ravine]

Easy in the sense that difficulty varies depending on environment and intuition

Diet math isn't fun

[dry drum]

You can't even rigorously define an integral without analysis. Pure math probably would not exist if it was enough to just do lots of problems.

[pulsar ravine]

You don't go to burgerking to understand why the burgers are made

[deep mango]

And especially for basic algebra, you can definitely see why things like solving linear equations or completing the square of a quadratic or things like that work in a variety of ways, from geometry to agreeable manipulations to explanations by words

[dry drum]

Pretty much immediately after the creation of calculus, people were unhappy and needed analysis to say "but why."

[deep mango]

Rigor is a vehicle for math

[dry drum]

Rigor is the reality of math.

There is no math without rigor.

[pulsar ravine]

Even abstract algebra is like a godsend

[deep mango]

I would argue that rigor often stifles math

[dry drum]

I cannot think of a single example in which that's true.

[pulsar ravine]

Bro 1000%

[deep mango]

Why are the physicists so far ahead of mathematicians in developing mathematical physics?

The shit they come up with is all right

[dry drum]

Because pure mathematicians don't care about physics?

And care about pure math?

[pulsar ravine]

That not exactly true

Physics is very active

[deep mango]

Yeah, but there's a lot in the intersection especially in modern physics and modern pure math

In just about any field of pure math

[dry drum]

I'm a pure mathematician and I care about physics, but I couldn't care less if my research ever leads to something useful.

[deep mango]

I think that's fine, but it's separate from whether or not one benefits from working on math with the mindset of a physicist sometimes

Published proofs should have been established rigorously certainly

[pulsar ravine]

Pleasure vs sport

[deep mango]

But a lot of math happens in a different order from that, starting with heuristics, getting blocked into broad flavors of arguments and groups of conjectures and partial results

[dry drum]

I'm absolutely confident that doing lots of calculations is valuable to a pure mathematician. I've worked through many engineering books. I think it's useful.

But mathematics is completely nonsensical without rigor. You literally cannot expand upon math without rigor. You must have rings and fields before you say "okay, now that we know what algebra is, let's do this with it."

[solid snow]

this is a recent development in math

math was done "without rigor" for longer than it's been done 'formally'

[pulsar ravine]

Personally I think math should be made easier and more accessible

[solid snow]

how can you make the math easier

the math is still the math

[pulsar ravine]

You can't viably use something so difficult it's alien

[solid snow]

[deep mango]

Okay, how about this. A lot of euler's theorems were conceived in the absence of any kind of algebraic or analytic formalism. Would you call all his results conjectures?

[dry drum]

Of course it was. Yet Euclid's Elements became the second most printed book in human history because of its rigor.

Relative rigor.

[pulsar ravine]

Do what we've been doing LOL

[solid snow]

because of?

[solid snow]

that was the primary reason?

not... the lack of other written texts and a long standing tradition?

[pulsar ravine]

Amen

[dry drum]

I would call anything a conjecture if it isn't accompanied by a proof. That's the definition.

[solid snow]

this is ad hoc though

[deep mango]

I think rigor is really important for learning math but it's not usually how one gets into understanding math that hasn't been explored yet

[solid snow]

you are saying this after the fact

after mathematics has been formalized

[dry drum]

It isn't formalized until Euclid.

[pulsar ravine]

I think it's more apt to say that Elements is just straight up useful

[solid snow]

sure but i disagree that its popularity was because it was "rigorous"

[dry drum]

I'm assuming I'm the only pure maths major here lol.

[deep mango]

???

[solid snow]

lol what

[deep mango]

Yes because im a pure math phd student...

[solid snow]

im the only pure maths major in the mathematics server

[dry drum]

only one in this discussion, not on the server

I'm leaving the library now, so I'll respond later. Take care

[neat lintel]

blud used his library time to argue on the internet... he's just like me frfr

[deep mango]

I also will say we get a lot of undergraduate pure math majors (especially first and second year but with advanced background) who have a very strong fixation on rigor, one which tends to ebb away after they work on some kind of research project or maybe start preparing for grad school / start grad school

(and then there's the 10% of them that go into foundations)

[dry drum]

Haven't left yet, but leaving now.. I've been here for 5 hours lol. I live in the library, so I pretty much only use discord here

anyway, I'll respond later

[solid snow]

you can literally justify the most commonly seen number system (R) with the beginning of terrence tao's analysis book, which isn't even an algebra book

and even that is overkill for "understanding" basic algebra

[deep mango]

That's actually the 10% of the 10% that does foundations but doesn't believe in rigor

Modus ponens is false

Anyway the rules of math are just culturally conceived, especially the proof theoretic rules, so it's kind of hard for me to buy any absolutist notion of mathematical understanding

[solid snow]

rigor is cringy until you use your rigorpowers to outrigor treatments you disagree with

[pulsar ravine]

I'm not a math major, just CS but curious about its history and application

[deep mango]

Especially when the evidence is that mathematicians force math to work a certain way rather than math forcing mathematicians to work a certain way. Plenty of people get plenty of good math out of nonrigorous argumentation

[pulsar ravine]

You hear things like "we don't need this" in school a lot and math quite literally ails students physically

I'm not good for rigor though as I burn all my books and notes

[alpine comet]

tbh, I still feel the same toward many topics in math

Category theory, logics, model theory, and to some extend, cohomology, are some in this group

[deep mango]

What way is that

[alpine comet]

it's sad that we don't see so much motivation when it comes to math

[deep mango]

All the alg toppies i talk to say that you can do as much hom alg as you want but you won't understand anything until you compute a ton of examples

[solid snow]

math history is a bit difficult to scrounge up at times

its a bit neglected

[deep mango]

I don't think that mentality is really there for like. Modern alg geo though

[alpine comet]

Field theory makes absolutely no sense to me until I understand Galois theory

Ring theory, the same, until applications to number theory, and intro to alg geo

[solid snow]

some textbooks attempt to motivate stuff and play the role of historian, but i don't think there are individual stand alone books that are all exposition with titles like "History of Differential Geometry"

[alpine comet]

in some sense, I do understand why that approach is not popular. It's too slow for the usual pace, you won't get anywhere fast with that style. Plus, if you actually do Diff Geo the way Gauss did, or group theory the way Galois did, you will find it completely horrendous.

[deep mango]

Usually it's like "this new thing we're going to study comes up in this other part of math you already know" or "this new thing has a picture that suggests why you might care about it" or "the results we are going to prove will end up being useful for understanding this other thing you've heard of"

[alpine comet]

But math courses usually take too long to get to the interesting stuff

[deep mango]

People can do the interesting stuff themselves! Someone needs to force them to take their medicine

[alpine comet]

Why not both?

instead of building field theory from ground up, you can teach about field theory the way Galois did it originally, and draw parallel lines with modern field theory and how it has changed

That will teach the students more than the math. That teaches them how to think about something new

[ocean harbor]

Lol

[rapid garden]

Where can I find how Galois originally thought about Group Theory?

[solid snow]

🤷

that's a bit of the problem. the resources for learning about that sort of stuff are either lacking or obscure

[alpine comet]

I recently read a good book about Galois theory, gimme a sec

Galois theory by Stewart, 4th edition.

he didn't completely include Galois' original memoir, you can find translation of that online. But he did build Galois theory ground up, added a lot of historical context, and explained precisely what Galois actually achieved.

[alpine comet]

another problem is profs tend to teach something the way they learned it, and most never got interested in the historical context

Most ppl forgot what it was like when they were beginners

'ttends, t'es français?

[rapid garden]

yea seeing the historical context would be great

[rapid garden]

lmao i was in french mode sry

brain not braining properly

[alpine comet]

if you do speak french, feel free to look up Galois' memoir xD

[solar hawk]

is galois french

[rapid garden]

galois biggest loss was that he was french

[solar hawk]

oh

[rapid garden]

historians say that’s most likely his cause of death 😦

he probably surrendered in the duel

[alpine comet]

If only were he German, he would have thrived like Dirichlet or smth

[rapid garden]

or hungarian

[alpine comet]

his character was not fit to the concours at the time

or even today's concours

[rapid garden]

wasn’t he rash?

well

yeah probably

[little vine]

,w galois

[fathom swallow]

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[alpine comet]

I feel sympathetic toward him, I almost threw chalk to the examiners when I took the concours myself

[little vine]

Who was the mathematician who finally noticed the importance of galois' work?

[alpine comet]

around 1850s, some French guy

what was his name, I forgot

[rapid garden]

lioville

?

[little vine]

Some say his methods were too original. Or could it be he was beans at everything but abstract algebra

[little vine]

That's it

[rapid garden]

the guy that did the 0.1010010001… is transcendental

[solar hawk]

there is a pattern tho

[little vine]

Also the best theorem in CA

[little vine]

Transcendentals can have a pattern

It's not a normal number

One of the few we can say is not normal iirc

[solar hawk]

Oh I mixed stuff up

[alpine comet]

for the time, definitely. No one thought about those objects like he did. Algebra was definitely a thing, but it was in no ways formalised until Galois came

[solar hawk]

Irrational and transcendental

[rapid garden]

most patterned numbers are transcendental

[solar hawk]

Is e patterned

[rapid garden]

well i said most patterned numbers are transcendental not the other way around

[solar hawk]

oh ok

but is it

[rapid garden]

as long as the pattern doesn’t repeat yk

[solar hawk]

wait

yes it is ig

[rapid garden]

e has no apparent pattern in base ten

[solar hawk]

wait

whats a parrtern

cuz there is a rule for e

its sums of 1/n!

isnt that a pattern

[little vine]

Say 1/p(x) is entire for polynomial p right?

*p(z)

[rapid garden]

tbh idk what we are considering maybe an arithmetic/geometric sequence

[solar hawk]

huh

[rapid garden]

i thought u meant the decimal

[solar hawk]

no yea but

there isnt a pattern in the decimal ig

but doesnt theother thing

count too?

[rapid garden]

idk the term pattern isn’t rlly precise

[solar hawk]

ok

[rapid garden]

wdym?

[solar hawk]

im confus 😭

[little vine]

Homophobic everywhere

Omg

Holomorphic

I was mixed up in my definitions

I'm thinking about a proof of FTA

It used Louiville theorem

[noble pagoda]

what is the age thing for this server

@quasi jetty what is the age

#bots

/age restriction

[little vine]

13

[noble pagoda]

oh i am 13 lol

ehheeheheh

[little vine]

Skibidi

[ocean harbor]

[glass pebble]

how is the "x solutions remaining" score in wordle solvers calculated?
I'm looking into creating a wordle opening book of sorts, where the first and second move is "theory", essentially
obviously, I can't put down all 3^5 (243) possible results from the opening word(salet, in case you're wondering)
An idea is to treat greens and greys the same, but in order to even do that, let alone figure out if that's a good strategy, I need to figure out how "wordle eval" works

[neat lintel]

Math is too hard

[little vine]

Not

[neat lintel]

Yes it is

[little vine]

If I can do it anyone can tbh

[neat lintel]

Thats meritocracy bullshit

[little vine]

What're you talking about

Have a growth mindset

[neat lintel]

Math is too hard

[neat lintel]

External forces are to blame for peoples issues

[little vine]

I agree with you but you can also increase your chances of success

You know about self fulfilling prophecy

[neat lintel]

How can 'anyone' do it if they don't have access to internet or books or school?

[little vine]

Hm books are pretty necessary

[naive solstice]

hi

[split pawn]

Okay so.

[little vine]

If you're motivated enough you can learn anything on the cheap

[split pawn]

What about the ventricles.

Bruh PPL discussing here too today. Fr.

[naive solstice]

and the venticles are the lower chamber that pump blood to the arteries

[neat lintel]

Not if you are a refugee and don't have access to basic necessities

[little vine]

Are you?

[neat lintel]

No but you specified anyone

[split pawn]

This is kinda accurate again

[naive solstice]

ok

[split pawn]

So here's the thing

[hidden bough]

if you literally have nothing to learn from its hard yeah

[little vine]

Look at Ramunajan

Spelling

[neat lintel]

He had books

[hidden bough]

he had stuff to learn from

[naive solstice]

wait accurate or inaccurate?

[hidden bough]

ramunajan

lmao

[split pawn]

Atria will collect blood from different parts of the body.

[little vine]

That was auto complete

[split pawn]

And Ventricles will pump it to different parts of the body

[naive solstice]

ok

[split pawn]

Yeah.

[naive solstice]

so the question is

How do they differ in structure and function?

[neat lintel]

Ramanujan wasn't a pow or a refugee fighting for survival without basic necessities. He had to deal with poverty but he had resources and time to learn

[split pawn]

What about the size...

Well there's your first functional difference

[little vine]

What's your point here?

[naive solstice]

o

so is one bigger or smaller

or

[split pawn]

Yeah

[naive solstice]

ok

which one is biger

[split pawn]

On the same side of the heart

[little vine]

That I'm wrong to say anyone can learn if I can?

[neat lintel]

You specified 'if I can do it anyone can' which is clearly false

[split pawn]

The ventricle is bigger... So like... The right ventricle is bigger than the right atrium and same for the left

[little vine]

Ok

You got me

But

Don't give up was the spirit of the statement

[hidden bough]

i think this more refers to skill/talent

not like

[little vine]

Exactly

[hidden bough]

being able to afford books

[naive solstice]

ok In what sense is blood flow in the body one way? (Think which direction blood moves around the body)

[split pawn]

Okay... So tell me.

Where does the blood come in first.

Well you could also just tell me what is the direction of blood flow in the heart. That's pretty important

[naive solstice]

bone marrow?

[split pawn]

...

You mean the whole body? And bone marrow is just for RBCs

[naive solstice]

o

[split pawn]

There's many places different components of blood are made

[naive solstice]

one direction is the bloodflow in heart

[split pawn]

Well yeah.

So ....

Where do we start... Blood comes into the heart.

[neat lintel]

I think that there is a discrepancy between poor and rich in schools due to school forcing competition when people have unequal resources and time and a myriad of other things

[split pawn]

Where and how?

[naive solstice]

.

[hidden bough]

this has literally nothing to do with his point

[naive solstice]

wym by that

[hidden bough]

his point was that if he is bad at math and he can do it, anyone can do it

i disagree with him being bad at math but thats besides the point

[split pawn]

So what chamber of the heart does the deoxygenated blood enter

[naive solstice]

right ventricle

[split pawn]

I think here you also need to be acquainted with deoxygenated and oxygenated blood.

[little vine]

@hidden bough thanks homie

[split pawn]

Read what you said about ventricles and atria.

[naive solstice]

i did

[little vine]

I don't think I'm super talented I just love it so I spend time at it

[hidden bough]

real

[neat lintel]

That point could be interpreted as 'if you are bad at math you didn't try hard enough because I can do it and therefore anyone can' especially he said it in response to me saying math is too hard

[split pawn]

So does the ventricle pump blood out of the heart or recieve blood

[naive solstice]

pump

[hidden bough]

youre kinda tilting at windmills here

[naive solstice]

/oh so art

[split pawn]

..?

[naive solstice]

atria

[little vine]

Don't be such a Debbie downer

[hidden bough]

https://tenor.com/view/yikes-rachel-dratch-debbie-downer-saturday-night-live-oh-no-gif-17209595

[little vine]

LMAO

[split pawn]

Which atrium

Right or left

[hidden bough]

it's such a great sketch

[naive solstice]

idk

[little vine]

Yes

[split pawn]

Heh

What n

[naive solstice]

?

[split pawn]

What .?

[neat lintel]

Anyway math is too hard

[split pawn]

You don't know?

[naive solstice]

im not sure

yes

[hidden bough]

nuh uh im stupid and i can do it

[naive solstice]

left?

[hidden bough]

ergo, so can you

especially if youre not stupid

[split pawn]

No

[little vine]

I will say it's difficult to succeed at things you don't like. Because then you need toms of discipline

[naive solstice]

so right.

[split pawn]

Fr this channel is talking today

[little vine]

Here we go again

[split pawn]

It used to be shush here

[hidden bough]

wdym

is true

[naive solstice]

so what is the conclusion

[hidden bough]

also "again"?

[neat lintel]

Im very stupid, but thats besides the point

[little vine]

He's going to talk about meritocracy now and the conversation will begin a new

[naive solstice]

MUHAMMED

[neat lintel]

Thats right

[naive solstice]

why did bro just dip

[hidden bough]

bruh

[hidden bough]

its not besides the point

if we're both stupid and i can do it

so can you

[neat lintel]

Meritocracy is fiction

[hidden bough]

how is this meritocracy

this is basic logic

if i have low skill and can, and you have low skill, then you can too

(low skill=>can)^(low skill)=>can

[neat lintel]

It is not basic logic, there are millions of assumptions you are making here.

[hidden bough]

^

[neat lintel]

Those variables have lots of implicit connotation

[hidden bough]

name 1

[neat lintel]

Low skill implies a person has low skill in the material world

[hidden bough]

as opposed to what? the metaphysical plane?

the freaking spiritual demon land?

[neat lintel]

The variable has implicit assumptions that aren't defined within the logic

[hidden bough]

im asking you to explain those assumptions

what kind of skill is there other than in the real world

[solid snow]

Is this just an exercise in pedantry

[hidden bough]

kinda?

[neat lintel]

You are giving an interpretation to those variables. Those variables are not just placeholders for true or false, but have implied meaning

[neat lintel]

It's not just basic logic because you aren't just saying a statement that is tautological within the syntax of the logic, you are using an interpretation of that statement to say something about the real world

[neat lintel]

Yes

[neat lintel]

Im trying to say that math is too hard and the other people are saying it's not too hard

[onyx timber]

anyone here good at Fourier transform? Just need some help

[little vine]

If it was too hard no one would succeed

[neat lintel]

No. It's hard enough to filter people out while letting the minority through

Which is too hard

[little vine]

What math are you studying btw

[neat lintel]

I don't study and i don't read or work out or do anything

[little vine]

Don't get me wrong it's difficult but that's why it's worth doing

[neat lintel]

It's difficult to sleep on a bed of nails, but it's not worth doing imo

[little vine]

needle in the hayyyyyy

[neat lintel]

Just because things are difficult doesn't mean they are worth doing

[little vine]

Math is worth doing. It's awesome

Don't you want to unravel such gallant splendors

[neat lintel]

Have a listen to this track:
(Give me your opinions)
https://open.spotify.com/track/3j18z2KnqmnXanajoY4ecQ?si=EgpzzO78SUSCmKqmzBwGXg

[little vine]

Did you write this?

[neat lintel]

If math is so awesome, then why did grothendieck rip up his papers towards the end of his life and renounce mathematics and say that noone should study algebraic geometry or has the right to use his works

[little vine]

How cool

[solid snow]

because he was old and bitter idk

[little vine]

Let me get headphones

[neat lintel]

Would appreciate if you guys could give it a listen and follow me

[little vine]

I'll critique your mix

It's pretty good

Good beat

Mix sounds pretty good on my beats too

[little vine]

If you don't already get it it's hard to make you get it

In my experience

[pulsar ravine]

Bro is setting a fire to his own temple

[neat lintel]

Wikipedia says that grothendieck wrote about how the mathematics community was "a guilded cage" and "governed by competition and status" because grothendieck had a "deep compassion for the poor and the downtrodden". And "the issue of military funding was perhaps the most obvious explanation for Grothendieck's departure from the IHÉS". To me it makes a lot of sense why grothendieck thought mathematics sucks.

[pulsar ravine]

Math teaches how to increase your chances of success and reduce chances of failure

It's worth studying for that reason alone

[little vine]

@neat lintel why are you in the math setver

[pulsar ravine]

It also sucks like any other tool but should be utilized to the extents necessary

This doesn't sound like an issue with math though, as any community has it's limitations

[little vine]

For someone who hates math you sure love grothendieck

He was my algebra professor's fave

[pulsar ravine]

You're worrying about the personal preferences of a dead guy?

All history

Do you like to study math or not

To the extent of aligning your own views with their own?

Study for your own sake not the opinions of relics

Your reasons probably aren't 1:1 with theirs

[little vine]

He thinks it's useless

As if he's not using technology atm

[pulsar ravine]

That's very ridiculous

Yeah ikr

Saying math is useless is like saying you aren't human bro

[neat lintel]

Never said that

[pulsar ravine]

I'm not sure what you're arguing then

[neat lintel]

Im saying math is too hard and sucks

[pulsar ravine]

Cause I hate math, but not about to get all neo political about it

Ofc it's hard

[neat lintel]

I will

[pulsar ravine]

Breathing oxygen is hard

[neat lintel]

You're fucking right

[pulsar ravine]

There's no reason not to be able to use it with literal free internet and other alternatives

[neat lintel]

Breathing oxygen IS hard, and math is too hard.

[pulsar ravine]

Ok, why is math too hard?

[neat lintel]

Because they make it hard enough in schools in order to purposely filter out people from going to higher education

[pulsar ravine]

Is that your only reason?

[neat lintel]

It's a legitimate reason

[pulsar ravine]

I think you're confusing academic math with the pursuit of knowledge

Without a curriculum, there is only the math

In what way is this hard?

[neat lintel]

Because math is written by people and influenced by elitist culture

[pulsar ravine]

Ok so?

How does that affect your learning

[neat lintel]

So you can't really escape the elitist element even if you say 'you are pursuing knowledge'

[pulsar ravine]

Change schools, change teachers, change books

Regardless of elitism each individual still has ultimate agency in the learning process

[neat lintel]

Theres not enough books about stuff like Langlands for example to have freedom of choice. You can't just 'change books'

[neat lintel]

You have to still interface with books

[pulsar ravine]

What is bro talking about

[solid snow]

is that specific to math?

this happens in any field when you go deep enough

and langlands is definitely deep enough

[pulsar ravine]

Bro thinks academia = math

There are alternatives and you don't necessarily need any of those things to learn or practice math

[neat lintel]

How else can you read about Langlands besides from academia?

[neat lintel]

Very very sad world we live in

[pulsar ravine]

At any high level things become more constricted

Be the change you want to see

It's just the curse of awesome

[neat lintel]

It is still shitty dealing with math as it exists today. Math may not suck in the future, but today it sucks

[solid snow]

how exactly do you want langlands to be translated for the lay person

or accessible for that matter

[pulsar ravine]

Arguably I think there are more PITA things than math

[neat lintel]

There are

[solid snow]

because there's a heap of prerequisites before getting to it

[pulsar ravine]

But human production has always been constricted throughout history

Learning is hard, but teaching is even more so

I think AI would be the perfect solution for you

[neat lintel]

Theres a difference between having no prerequisites and being written with an elitist tone. Like when people write 'this theorem is easy' or 'its obvious'

[solid snow]

because it's written for the audience working with it

???

[pulsar ravine]

Professors just write that because they are lazy

[little vine]

Mmm pita

[neat lintel]

Well I'm a reader and I don't think it's written for me

[solid snow]

i said people working with it

not just any ambulant reader

[neat lintel]

Well there you go, elitism

[solid snow]

so technical literature = elitism

[pulsar ravine]

It'd be nicer if books were written more generally, but what do you expect out of select text written for select individuals with specific knowledge????

Everyone has technical knowledge, that has nothing to do with accessibility

[solid snow]

the "this theorem is easy/obvious/easily verifiable" is endemic to mathematics because writing out theorems that mathematicians at that level should be able to keep up with obfuscates the central idea of the paper

[pulsar ravine]

Lack of ability is not elitism

[neat lintel]

this tangent was about specific tone and implicit culture like saying 'its obvious' which is not a necessary property of technical literature

[solid snow]

i just explained why that comes with the territory

the point of a math paper/specialist text isn't necessarily to teach someone completely new to the topic and guide them along

it's to communicate results

[pulsar ravine]

To that end, there are still alternatives

[neat lintel]

You can write 'this theorem immediately follows' or 'with minimal additional deductions this theorem follows' or something

[solid snow]

so the words are hurting your feelings?

lol

[neat lintel]

Yes they are

[solid snow]

its literally just a more roundabout way of saying the same thing

[neat lintel]

See why math is elitist?

[solid snow]

if your'e taking personal offense go to therapy or something

[neat lintel]

With a different tone

[solid snow]

you dont have to ping reply every message btw

that's their own prerogative

[pulsar ravine]

Math is much less elitist now than ever before in history

I think your concerns are too politically skewed

[solid snow]

it's not some objective truth that these words carry the emotional charge you're assigning them

[pulsar ravine]

Therapy is a logical recommendation in this instance

You need some reprogramming to dilute some of these beliefs

[neat lintel]

Thats your own prerogative. I like the stanford rules

[pulsar ravine]

I don't have a goal though

[solid snow]

you really took the word prerogative and ran with it

[pulsar ravine]

If anything I support you actually

[neat lintel]

You just said "You need some reprogramming to dilute some of these beliefs" which is your own prerogative

[neat lintel]

Yes I did

[neat lintel]

Great!

[pulsar ravine]

Since I'm one of those people that were 'transgressed' by the exclusivity of higher education

[neat lintel]

I'm glad that other people recognise these issues in mathematics

[pulsar ravine]

Uhh well yeah that's why I'm on this crusade at all

But I think you're going about it the wrong way

You should just promote more open learning and less 'it's obvious' methods in education

[neat lintel]

I bet there is evidence

[solid snow]

cool, go find it

[pulsar ravine]

If the advanced book is really good they will even recommend suitable pre requisite material or a refresher chapter

[pseudo vine]

what the fuck are you talking about

[pseudo vine]

you’re expected to have the required knowledge

’its obvious’ is not an elitist tone

[chilly hull]

i think saying trivial/obvious/simple is fine

[pseudo vine]

Yeah

[chilly hull]

[insert function that is obviously continuous]
this function is obviously RI because it is continuous

[solid snow]

the solution for most mathematicians if they're unable to see the proof would probably be to email the author, "hey grand old buddy of mine who authored paper X, can you elaborate the proof for (3)?"

[chilly hull]

yes

[solid snow]

these are your colleagues and peers afterall

who you are working with... to prove more math...

[pulsar ravine]

we literally have the internet

[pseudo vine]

exactly, knowledge is easily accessible online

[pseudo vine]

with internet connection you could master almost anything

[pulsar ravine]

Bro is stuck with tomes in Rome or something

[chilly hull]

he said "i assume is obvious to you" and i said "wait how is this trivial"

[pulsar ravine]

Funny story, we called them tablets back then too, imagine

[chilly hull]

moment he mentioned cacuhys theorem i understood

[little vine]

,w cauchy's theorem

[fathom swallow]

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[solid snow]

which one

[little vine]

That one?

[solid snow]

cauchy mvt is honestly such a cool upgrade to regular mvt

rolles -> mvt -> cauchy mvt

satisfying direct upgrade

[little vine]

Oh boy here comes brad

[neat lintel]

They pinged me

[pseudo vine]

that’s the subjective rule for that server

[chilly hull]

of course if they said it like

[neat lintel]

Well it's a good rule with a good justification

[chilly hull]

"is this not obvious to you?"

[little vine]

,w cauchy mean value theorem

[fathom swallow]

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[chilly hull]

yeah you are being a dick

[pseudo vine]

If you’re studying deep enough in a field, you wouldn’t bother writing trivial things out

[pseudo vine]

the case should be more subjective

[little vine]

Rad

[pulsar ravine]

Texting is elitist

[chilly hull]

but saying "this fact should be pretty trivial so let's not write down this part and get to the real meat and bones of the proof" is fine

[pulsar ravine]

Why is this fairly attractive woman sending emojis instead of reddit paragraphs

[solid snow]

this is your own personal preference

why do you keep bringing up the stanford graduate math discord server

as if this is some supreme authority

bandwagon appeal? appeal to authority?

[neat lintel]

i like to use "it shouldn't be difficult" or "it is straightforward" because i usually really mean "it shouldn't take much work and if it is you might be doing something wrong"

[solid snow]

it's unclear which one you're doing here

[neat lintel]

unfortunately this is a lot of words

[golden cliff]

I actually do think that "it is obvious" is almost never the best way to write it

[solid snow]

none of my messages imply that you were alone

just that you felt that way

[pulsar ravine]

Are you in university brad

[solid snow]

and cool, you found other people that agree with you? i'm still free to disagree and think that the wording is not as deep as you're making it out to be. it's only ever harmful if it's actively detracting from the paper by hiding key things you're meant to recognize

bad writing \neq elitism

[neat lintel]

Saying 'I need therapy' implies that I am the odd one out. Does it not?

[flint basin]

I usually use "it is clear" or "trivial" instead of "obvious", though I guess they effectively are the same

[solid snow]

weird that you're using quotations when that isn't a direct quote

[pseudo vine]

It’s synonymous

[flint basin]

Proof: God told me

It came to me in a dream

[neat lintel]

"if your'e taking personal offense go to therapy or something"

[pseudo vine]

They really like Stanford I think

[pulsar ravine]

I think they were suggesting therapy cause you seem stressed about it

[pseudo vine]

Okay?

[solid snow]

yeah because it's ink on a book or lights on a screen about math. it's not offensive in any way

[pulsar ravine]

This sounds usual

[pseudo vine]

How is that a prerogative

[solid snow]

lmao

[pulsar ravine]

I think I remember why I hated math now

[solid snow]

this person has me blocked btw

[pulsar ravine]

LOL

[pseudo vine]

People still use the block feature?

this is kind of funny

[pulsar ravine]

Ikr

[solid snow]

i use it but not to continue opening messages of the users i blocked

[neat lintel]

I block too many people

[pseudo vine]

I don’t block people unless they’re being annoying like DM spamming, blocking people in an argument proves their point as you can’t find an effective counter to their statement

[pulsar ravine]

When the ex contacts you

[pseudo vine]

dealing with exes are amusing

[neat lintel]

Also i don't like being bombarded by sullys by mean people

[solid snow]

[pseudo vine]

I’m an online dating veteran, I date people online simply for their information while offering information in return

[pulsar ravine]

[solid snow]

[neat lintel]

[neat lintel]

[storm sage]

nice theorem

[pulsar ravine]

If you become a teacher

[solid snow]

i personally find "it's obvious" rudin style of writing to be obnoxious when its in intro texts, but im also bad at math so

[storm sage]

Also this conversation seems really unproductive

[solid snow]

maybe it is obvious to someone

[neat lintel]

It's their right to think that way

[quiet quest]

does anyone in this server think they are good at math

[storm sage]

Don't just tell other people to seek therapy because they think a style of talking is upsetting lol

[pseudo vine]

If I become a teacher, I’d use ‘it’s trivial’ pretty often because I believe in condensation of knowledge

[small dust]

none of the ones that are good at math do

[little vine]

Oh g is the identity function for the special case of mvt

[pseudo vine]

Yeah, it’s everyone’s rights too

[storm sage]

I do

[pulsar ravine]

Like the typical professor probably

[quiet quest]

based

[neat lintel]

Im terrible. But im terrible at everything

[solid snow]

i guess i did jump the gun here and should apologize @neat lintel

[pulsar ravine]

You're right, it was the templars who invented math

[quiet quest]

ye but thats someone elses fault

so its chill

[pseudo vine]

the freemasons invented algebra

[quiet quest]

al jebra

[storm sage]

al-jabr

[quiet quest]

smthn weird like that

[storm sage]

weird?

[quiet quest]

yes

its weird to ME

i do not see arabic names

[solid snow]

to mechanical engineering

[quiet quest]

usually

besides muhammed

and its variants

[flint basin]

yeah, what a weirdo. he did algebra

[quiet quest]

he did himself

[velvet dagger]

I think al jabr was the name of the book

[quiet quest]

oh fr

whats jabr

[velvet dagger]

While the name of the person was al khwarismi (which is where "algorithm" comes from)

[quiet quest]

[little vine]

I'd like to get a copy

[quiet quest]

how do you turn khwarismi into gorithm

[little vine]

Idk

[solid snow]

imagination

[storm sage]

it's pretty similar, no?

[solid snow]

i can kinda see it

[storm sage]

kh sounds like g, s sounds like th

[quiet quest]

kinda for the first half

what

s sounds like th?

[storm sage]

yeah almost exactly the same

[pulsar ravine]

El Algorithmo

[quiet quest]

the tongue placement is similar but it doesnt sound anything alike imo

[solid snow]

i definitely see it now

[velvet dagger]

Alkhwarismi -> alkhworismi -> algorismi (since you don't have the kh sound as much) -> algorithm

[storm sage]

al-jabr means setting of broken bones

[quiet quest]

they metal like that

[pulsar ravine]

These naming schemes are too elitist

[quiet quest]

or idk probably some weird counting thing with bones

[pulsar ravine]

When math and death are closely related

[little vine]

I think it meant the whole from the parts

[velvet dagger]

I mean the actual pronunciation of "Confucius" is more like Contzu lmfao

[quiet quest]

huhh

[pulsar ravine]

Our ancestors were woke beyond understanding

[ripe needle]

Hundreds of years of dialect changes and the telephone games between translating through multiple languages

[quiet quest]

bro temporal telephone js crazy

[little vine]

Wasn't Japan zipangu

[quiet quest]

ye ig

some dude couldnt do the s right and transmitted it as a th

[storm sage]

contzu?

Actually I dunno how it was pronounced back then, I know how it's pronounced now

[velvet dagger]

Last vowel doesn't cleanly transliterate but

[storm sage]

That's pretty close dami

I did not expect that from how you spelled it lol

[velvet dagger]

Yeah no vowel would've really done it super well lmfao

Or I guess there's a technically correct way to transliterate but idk it + it has other characters I can't easily write down super easily 😛

[velvet dagger]

I'll take it

[little vine]

Listen to Dolphincore by cali5nia on #SoundCloud
https://soundcloud.app.goo.gl/CAa65

Made it on hardware synths

[raven plaza]

Isn't Confucius latinized name

[velvet dagger]

Yeah Eric knew that, and that's what I was alluding to

Just my transliteration made it seem sketch

[raven plaza]

What is damimark's latinized name

[twin copper]

10-10•10+10

Try solving if u dare

[raven plaza]

69

[twin copper]

Incorrect

[raven plaza]

😭

[neat lintel]

420

[neat lintel]

80

[static loom]

do u single dog dare me??

[tulip sonnet]

Ambiguous

But using MDAS would be 100

[livid wing]

What information format on the back-end is needed for plotting a diagram in a graphic library for Python? Like, only the symbols are needed and the front-end works from there?
Need a program handy for future me.

[ocean harbor]

!help

[quasi jetty]

To ask for mathematics help on this server, please open your own help channel or help thread. See #❓how-to-get-help for instructions.

[fervent flame]

what does this even mean

[livid wing]

I need to generate some diagrams, but at some point they get overly complicated to draw on paper and impossible to draw on ASCII screens. Although drawing on ASCII might work as a proof-of-concept for the future program.

[fervent flame]

what do you mean by diagram

[livid wing]

Image meant to visualize something in maths.

[livid wing]

Not that this is the correct definition, but I thought everyone would understand.

[fervent flame]

this is the least helpful description possible

do you have an example

is there potentially a language barrier

[livid wing]

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[fervent flame]

i am lost

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Hi d2

[pearl moth]

bees are fish

[haughty loom]

hi

hi muhammad

[neat lintel]

Hi Muhammad

[split pawn]

The converse isn't true

[pearl moth]

not fish are not bees?

[split pawn]

Hi HSF

[neat lintel]

That's contrapositive

[split pawn]

I said the converse not the inverse

Okay well - cposi

I'm trying to call one of my HS friends but he's not picking up the phone

Since two days

[ocean harbor]

Bro is making something popular

[fervent flame]

were u able to understand

[ocean harbor]

Clearly no

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/934212312921931786/934212732390113290/Cat_singing.gif?ex=65739868&is=65612368&hm=6e01f6aefc09ddab90f89561803cb2bffa1ae6ea186c1cb5a9c18fef8d6b977f&

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[ocean harbor]

Omg this

Reminds me of someone's pfp

I think layla

[sonic sentinel]

idk why it was like i woke up today and i had infinite energy

usually i just fuck around as much as possible a few periods into school but i concentrated for the entire school day (8 periods for me)

[ocean harbor]

Are you undergraduate?

[sonic sentinel]

ye

[ocean harbor]

Makes sense

[sonic sentinel]

my role says pre-uni

which part is the makes sense

[ocean harbor]

I'm in highschool and there are like 9 periods

[ocean harbor]

Your second message

[sonic sentinel]

?

undergraduate means high school or college right

as in "you have not yet graduated college"

[ocean harbor]

No undergraduate means in uni or college

Pre-uni is highschool

[sonic sentinel]

they should get somebody to fix english what is this convention

high schoolers are underundergraduates from now on

[sonic sentinel]

also damn, which country?

[ocean harbor]

Canada

[sonic sentinel]

normal people (don't have AP) in my school take 6 periods with 1 other period break

almost 7h total

[ocean harbor]

Each period is like 30 mins

[sonic sentinel]

oh ok if its 30mins that makes sense

[sonic sentinel]

damn you start school late for where i live

[ocean harbor]

(Made this in latex)

[ocean harbor]

But its tiring when you get home

The time goes fast

For some reason

[sonic sentinel]

we start school at 7:15

even at ramadan we have late beginning and early end but that's still like 8:30 i think

[ocean harbor]

Oh right ramadan

I think it's same time

It's not gonna be change

Had to make a new time management for next semester since im doing two math in a row

Something called night school

[sonic sentinel]

i feel you, i leave at 3:10, (normal is 2:00)

[ocean harbor]

Yeah

But uni feels 10x faster

[sonic sentinel]

wdym

[ocean harbor]

You blink and it's midterms

[sonic sentinel]

you take both uni and high school?

[ocean harbor]

Nah this is my last year being in highschool

[sonic sentinel]

then how do you know how fast uni feels

[ocean harbor]

But that's what I heard from my friends

[sonic sentinel]

ah okay okay

[ocean harbor]

Night school is like 6pm to 9pm

[sonic sentinel]

i feel like the 1h period system kind of forces teachers to make breaks in class

[sonic sentinel]

wow what's that for

exam cramming?

[ocean harbor]

Nah it's a course I'm gonna do next semester

In canada they call it advanced functions

I'm doing advanced functions and calculus at the same time

[sonic sentinel]

cool

[ocean harbor]

I don't think I ever gonna done these math very well in a row since I have English and shit

But I'll see what happens

[sonic sentinel]

is night school for improving applications or is it just a for-your-own-sake thing or?

[ocean harbor]

It's like an adult school I believe

Only above 18+ can do night school

[sonic sentinel]

but why

sounds exhausting what're you gaining out of it

[ocean harbor]

I have reasons...

[sonic sentinel]

... ?

[ocean harbor]

I'm doing repeated courses cuz I keep getting strict teachers

I've went to three different highschool now

[sonic sentinel]

bru

strict teachers like lots of assignments or lots of rules?

or both?

[ocean harbor]

Strict teachers im getting like doesn't give a shit if you asked for help or smth else

I remember really

[sonic sentinel]

i'd say bad teacher lol

[ocean harbor]

Don't*

[ocean harbor]

Yeah and always like "university will be harder"

[sonic sentinel]

lmao

always-preach-never-teach type people?

[ocean harbor]

ye

I think my highschool experience was already messed up since the covid 19 come out

[bronze pelican]

University was easier for me than hs because I got to choose courses I wanted to take

[ocean harbor]

Chad

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Ofc material is more challenging but I liked that

[sonic sentinel]

its not a myth?

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Wdym

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idk ive always been told don't think college is easier just because you get to choose/its less in-school time

[bronze pelican]

Its not easy

Its not really comparable. I just liked to way more than hs

[sonic sentinel]

ah ok

would you say the university itself matters a lot in whether you are going to enjoy your uni experience or not?

[little vine]

I'd say so

The culture can be really different

I went to party schools. But I was too old to party in grad school

[sonic sentinel]

example? and how can you really know about university culture as an hs student?

[little vine]

Maybe try visiting, asking students there

[sonic sentinel]

what if it's international? how could you contact students?

what about profs? would they be interested to answer? would they answer honestly?

[little vine]

I think you might speak to someone in admissions

[sonic sentinel]

admissions? that seems like the least likely to answer honeslty to me

in my mind i see them as more believing in university-ideals instead of university-realities, but maybe my idea is wrong

[little vine]

Hm idk

Maybe there's a student liason?

What kind of environment do you want?

[sonic sentinel]

maybe

i honeslty don't understand how university culture would vary aside from study-more/less or socialize-more/less

[neat lintel]

well university is a lovely place to socialize and become a better person

[oblique oracle]

Silly question: do theoretical physicists do any experiments at all?

[neat lintel]

I believe "theoretical" means not applied Ie. not working in industry

Like those at CERN are theoretical physicists

[river moon]

no people at CERN do a lot of practical stuff like analyzing data using statistics (most of modern physics is basically stats)

I know because I had to learn CERN's root package which they use for these kinds of things and watched a few talks about it

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[alpine comet]

each has its own set of traditions

there aer also historical differences

in France for examples, ENS Ulm and Ecole Polytechnique are often seen on two opposite sides of political spectrum

the world is bigger than you would imagine once you get there

[alpine comet]

LinkedIn

I tried, and it did work out tbh

Now I try to return the favour to anyone who asks

An safer bet is look for students who also graduated from your hs

then look for friends of friends

[pulsar ravine]

Or get drugged and kidnapped

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https://www.tiktok.com/@joe_kozak/video/7306981519879621934

thanks for the view, over and out

[neat lintel]

hi, does anyone have an experienced opinion if the openstax intermediate algebra book is a sufficient preperation for a community college precalculus course?

[chilly hull]

pretty much every elementary algebra book will be sufficient

heck i think they are more than sufficient

[little vine]

For sure

[pearl moth]

i just reviewed its table of contents and it looks like it hits all of the expected cpntent for a 10th grade algebra class, which should be prepatory for precalc

[little vine]

Don't buy anything

[neat lintel]

thank you for that.

yeah i took 2 semesters of calc back in 2009 and im just finished the elementary algebra today... im going to speed through the intermediate algebra and hope to take precalc in spring2024 im excited.... been out of the loop for a while

[little vine]

Smart