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most of my exams in grad school were "untimed"
I mean 2 days is good too as long as it's not about writing as fast as possible
in practice this meant you were expected to spend about 4 hours a day on them for 14 days in a row
that doesnt sound too bad
I live in a country where this would be a problem so...
when its just 1 course, sure
but it depends on the ohter courses u were taking along

I'm always jealous of people in first world countries getting take home exams
i do takehome exams all the time
its called
do the menial tasks to get shit published
if they gave takehome exams in my university everyone would cheat
I mean they already cheat in a timed test so
well these classes usually have like 10 people in them who are all (theoretically) learning the content because it'll be directly applicable to their phd thesis
cheating would be... counterproductive
if you can even find resources
what about undergrads?
i did have a handful of take-home exams in undergrad but they were usually more essay/project-style
I'd imagine in good universities a takehome exam should be the standard
Iโd imagine the opposite
since people came to study, not just get a diploma
Donโt better universities base the grades more on exams?
exams?
timed exams or takehome exams?
Timed
maybe but I don't think so
in my university they only give timed exams for a good reason
because the system is flawed and everyone is cheating even during timed exams
which makes it even harder for people who don't cheat
no math?
I agree, timed exams suck
I wonder what does an essay/project style math exam look like
ppl do final projects for math classes all the time
presentation about some advanced topic that the course didn't have time to cover for example

yeah
sounds cool
thats common
or an exposition paper about something which isn't clearly explained yet/doesn't have a lot of resources
never even heard of it
it would be stuff like
We have seen in class [x theorem]. We can modify the statement of this theorem by [y], and the conclusion still holds. Prove this fact, then find or construct a situation where this modified version applies but the original statement does not. (Hint: look at exercise #.## in the textbook.)
Now present another modification of [x theorem] that implies a weaker conclusion strong enough to prove [z fact]. Prove this corollary.
stuff like that
so like, exam questions but graded more like a project
stuff like this would be more motivational to study for than timed exams
my university is a joke
or like in an applied math course we were given a dataset and some starter matlab code and were expected to run various analyses on it, as well as ask meaningful questions and run an analysis ourselves
etc
usually the prompt would be constructed so that youd have to implement nonlinear programming or something
downside is that instead of being over after one day, it's constant stress for like one or two weeks 
still doesn't beat the stress from time pressure and fast writing
and having to do a page of calculation by hand in a few minutes
or like in case of Huffman, the prof proposed either cracking a hard problem, or taking a traditional final exam
where i study, the norm is to make the exam impossibly long. The goal is not to finish, but to do your best, then let the curve do the trick.
Of course, there are always some mfs finishing the exam anyway
lmao
wtf happened in chill ๐
i like sticky rice
i was in discussy 1
and i peeked at chill

that video will never not be hilarious
that's actually genius, makes you push your limits, my university doesn't even have the curve thing, it's just a predetermined way of grading
let them be
all the better. My HS teacher once said, "you don't stop fools being foolish"
I spent my adolescence on useless debates, online and offline. Took me a while to learn the lesson
every once in a while, I'd say something controversial, grap some popcorn, and watch the world burn
Ppl like to argue, and they forget the initial subject pretty fast
discussion is where i go to waste all my time on discord instead of studying
I feel that
anyone thats decent at math tryna speedrun a calc paper with me
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@ocean harbor good evening
How're you
I'm okayish
In pain cause I kinda bruised my hand
I washed it with soap water and it's painful
Damn
Yeah I just have new problems every morning I wake up tbh
hi
Hai
Wait I can stream again 
What are you gonna stream
Stream something fun
What do you want me to stream
gaming
I find Play Store boring as a whole
Lmao
Theres nothing that has ever interested me for more than one day
I've installed gd full version on apk
What about subway?
My little sisters always plays that 
Lmfao
Endless running
I mean the only time when I played games on mobile tbh
Was when our internet was shut down for a year
lol
I've finished them all tho so its boring and waiting for 2.2 version to come out
Should be in this month ๐
Lol
I havent seen anyone other than now, you, and my Turkish friend so excited about new versions of games

He's always so much into Rise of Kingdoms

Hi guys if you want to donate to my channel and be the king, it's right here: https://streamlabs.com/babatcataturk
Tbh he spent millions
Over this game
I sometimes wonder how stupid people can be
I'm so bored here
Ik like bunch Turkish ppl obsessed with pobg game
Scammer? 
But no scammer calls me
Scammers are ruthless, and that is why I am here. My channel is all about bringing awareness to this critical problem with humor and fun. We will learn a lot of things along the way and if I help one person through this, it will be worth it.
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Oh you mean random call?
I want a scammer to call me
Where
Like, I'll give out my number to these tech support services so that they call me
And then THE FUN STARTS
atleast they wont ignore me like y'all discordians
I haven't had a scam call come to my phone in a month
No credit card or insurance scams
Someone once called me during class and it gave me a heart attack
No messages
Tbh now I ask my dad to forward me any scam messages
Just for the numbers
and links
I had one call me on 27th, somehow he knew my name, my mom's name and few others. He wanted to send me money so that I can forward it to someone, pretty shady
Okay nono not that much
I'll just raise a whole profile
Like a new living person
before I scam call someone
and with all my tools ready
and whatever i learnt in those cybersec courses
I lately uninstalled linux sadly
I'm not sure if it's allowed to show people's random numbers on discussy
Loch will ban me
ok wait Loch is offline
Isn't that a mod
yeah
No I mean like
I cant go around the barrier I raised
Well I dont have a blocked list tbh
Its only after @tight comet persuaded me through his white house, I have a blocked list
on Discord.
๐ญ
I pretty much don't like to block people off
Unless you're yeh, pretty much annoying or abusive, or insulting
If you're talking here I don't usually block ppl because its annoying when they're very active or smth
What I meant is when someone calls me from outside while paying attention to the class
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Lol
Lol aight
If its something related to me you probably cant ask it anywhere
Oh
I like to have a personality that confuses others
very few people know anything about me
Other than my name lol
;-;
You'll find contradicting messages everytime
lol
Where do you keep all these gifs
Yk I changed everything one day
From my username to pfp and everything
Bunch of server I'm in
And ppl here were like, how did this newbie get a blue colour
Till harper realised I had the legacy badge on
lol
And it said
Known as Muhammad Husssaini
Shoot that loophole ruined my day
I'll do it someday
And pretty much in a way no one will ever know
Im just waiting for nitro
The countdown is one year ig
Nitro 
Lol same
Have you seen someone added their tik trash account to their account in discord before?
๐
I've seen
It gave me a headache
I dont use Reddit
Ye same here lol
Lmfao
People gonna search me over those places
Oh
You gonna sleep

Ive been in VC for an hour now
No one joined ๐ฆ
Goodnight Ken
๐ค ๐ค
Lol
Very unlikely you're asleep Ken
@ocean harbor
Good day
Ken
I think my sleep schedule has been broken ๐
I keep ignoring my alarm at 6am
Lol this was me since three days
Now I'm back on time
I'm busy venting out to my once best friend right now

Where sthe ping Akira
I pretty much will miss messages
man, whatever would you do without 
Yeah
Like I made half of it in Desmos lol
Looks normal
That's cool
That's basically the logi
Logo of Desmos
But I uh
Modified it a bit
To suit my pfp
Haha
I wonder how many people would have tried to DM me
Who's beaver
Who reacted and left
I watch the reactions on my messages more than the text replies
Gatos
Si
Inb4 it's a class on fluid PDEs
teach me all of calculas in one message
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This said differential equations ii??? Why is there physics in my differential equations???
Math.
In one message? khan academy
Thing move fast have steep graph, add rectangles under graph get area, add rectangles under graph of steep is same as total thing movement, total thing movement grow fast when large steep
can we discuss stuff like sites to pirate books here?
bbut i hope we can discuss which sites to avoid pirating
if it would get you zonked by the feds you cant say it here
Hi
hi
im dying
what happened to her
lmfao
oh
So I realised
this guy again??
Math student pinged mods on you too
you need to ignore them because he's annoying
So had to tell you
just don't 
for that guy?
you can talk in biocord
they did too for me and it was nothing so dw
yeah it was nothing lmao
look here #discussion message

well i think ive missed it sadge
Yeah at that point I got it
I'd probably not scare myself if you or a friend were around
Wait how's that a good thing


lol
btw i kinda felt bad about math quiz today :(
it was like a test not an actual quiz tbh
Mhm?
word problems quadratic functions
i didn't finish it on time this is so sad
Ohh...
like do you think i could finish a four pages quiz within 20 mins?
nah it's impossible for me ;-;
lol
I'll tell you some day
okay
but honestly idc if i did bad on any quizzes or tests because my goal is pass not only good marks
And now they found out not


Why are you putting down your goal
Aim higher
There's gravity... It will go down
But if you aim lower
It'll go even more down, and fall short of the minimum
I wish you knew projectile motion
going into cs major be like lmao
this is what i have

if i didn't make it into cs ill go with math
What is this
my schedule
it's not required to cs so they didn't gave it to me

i think i got chem enough tho
and accounting to physics if you wanna do eng
nah i actually love organic chem
I was gonna say the same
i can like draw it in latex too but not much 
I hate inorganic
lmfao
I'm not a fan of chemfig
But I like drawing them on paper
You're in a class rn right
nah im home
Oh
since it's 4pm rn
Thas good
:)
It's ||[redacted]|| rn
also i did this in latex 
Yes I could see that
:D
I can make it but I'm on my mobile and I hate it
yeah same here
Good job
Typing seems lame
i use my parents laptop so that means no games allowed
I used to share it with my Turkish friend lol.
nice
AnyDesk
Well the 50m one we were trying to solve some difficult physics questions
pog
Without writing them down
No wonder we solved only two
Well he's ghosting out rn so yeah

I'm pretty much to myself irl
Lol haha
I haven't had people ask me for stuff but yeah whenever someone did I mostly used to give
Well pretty much how I am
I don't usually give my food to random people especially they aren't my friends
but that boy was begging 
Well yesterday some elderly people
Stopped me on the roadside
And were asking me to look up a phone number for them
Wait we're in d2
Nope nvm
I pretty much turned this into a DM
LMAO
Public DM lol
me tooo
I pretty much need to buy MC to play with enzi
Which comes when I'm able to buy Nitro
Sadly it isn't

what if you downloaded it from apk 
just like i did for gd
that wouldnt allow you to connect with the multiplayers servers like hypixel and all
its only for the paid mc
ooh damn
yea ik, i really want to join the math server๐ญ
yh
i cant buy mc, once i downloded with with some 3rd party laucher i used to play in these shit bedwars servers
and then be lonely
its just too expensive i think
what music do you all use for studieing and homework cuz I can't find any good songs
literally any song i can use to study
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but this ones my fav
create a playlist and add your favourite songs
how about that
you can have my playlist idk what type songs do you like playlist

i stole this from a fren
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/2vBk2avKEap9tPmDGD0JBt?si=e983800266fc45fa

371 songs 
thats even more than my spotify liked songs
when did you start adding them
liked songs i have like 460
2021
most songs i have like gd vibes
then you listen to music wayy more than me
music for life 
@pearl moth Hi. We were speaking about leetcode the other day. I said that you wasn't impressed by people solving leetcode problems. Is it because you see it like the application of fixed concepts and algorithms?
@umbral valley solving leetcode problems doesnt show many things. For example how well you would handle working in a team with other software engineers, respecting codestyle, how to architect final solutions for a product and how those would be implemented to name a few.
I honestly think these programming problems should be done as pair programming
with the person doing the technical interview
or somebody from the team
you get to literally WORK with the person
what does the "Not Very Ppl" tag mean
its for the nitro boosters
seems like it's when you don't want your role color to display
oh lmao mb yea that for those who doesnt like thier colored role
it basically remove the color of the role
it's not so much that it's "fixed concepts and algorithms" than that you're demonstrating your "ability" to solve a very constrained, unrealistic set of problems that are not much like those you will encounter in actual situations. most "leetcode" contests are basically "spot the trick" puzzles, which means you're basically getting into the head of the person who wrote the problem (who already knew the solution, otherwise they wouldn't have posed it). in real life situations, the problems you encounter will not (in general) be presented by somoene who already knows the answer, and there's no guarantee that there will be a "trick" that makes them trivial
while i'm personally not fond of pair programming, this is a better interview approach than throwing "stumper" questions at the candidate to see if they can spot the gimmick
The discussion has to flow more naturally. True thinking has to happen.
and that also (hopefully) gives the hiring manager more insight into how the candidate will mesh with the actual processes that are used in a real development environment
I used to think those who could play chess really well are smart. Now I know that those who play chess may have gone through courses. Because in my school, I have people who are incredibly good at chess (around 2000 rating) who are not necessarily good at other things. Now I know they have had a teacher teach them chess. I am aware those who might study or take a class on algorithms or related topic are similar as they have all these tools at their disposal to tackle problems. I, however, do not like to use this. I do not use a tutor. I just get satisfied trying to figure out solutions to problems on my own. I know that it might seem like I am reinventing the wheel, or I know that I am kinda challenging myself against known algorithms developed by expert programmers, but I still find it exciting to develop solutions on my own. It's like solving a puzzle or maybe proving something in mathematics that you never took the class for. Do you find it a waste of time?
i can't tell you whether something is or is not a "waste of time", that's an intrinsically personal determination
oh, and I think I'm dumb if I cannot solve a problem on lc, lol
but I don't think others are dumb
Okay I think I have my CV and cover letter mostly finalized for this internship application
yooo
good luck. Own that place my king!
you got this 
Epic
Big moves
noam chomsky is a genocide denier
What is like the minumum math courses I should have taken in High School so that I would look good for collegs if I want to major in software engineering or some field in comp sci?
In the same way you could be a genocide denier
i doubt it matters, but obviously all aps would look better than none
right
Is that DarQ's 
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Morning folks
Morning akira
Good morning catfans
Always waking up late but I still come at school very early 

Helo enzi
hai akira
How's you
Sleepy but imma sleep when I get home since it's friday
Best day
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its friday already wtf

Yess
I need to get moving today
ayo sleepy at 8am
gm rice
lmao
Good morning
,ti
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Then ill watch reality tv podcasts

Then ill eat sweets
wit luna
Luna doesn't like those
But Luna does need to catch up on BB
BB is a week from being over
Thank god
What a mess of a season
Survivor is really really good this season



Does anyone know linear programming
Please, is there a person to respond to me in #elementary-number-theory ? It is about the congruence
@deep mango you should regain your moderator status again because you are blue now
but
normal mod

is this a new account
No

Hey I am doing a math minor, anyone have any recommendations for electives?
Analytic number theory
Measure theory
Homological algebra
I have a general question that I struggle a lot with while doing proofs in analysis. How do I know if my proof is rigorous enough and correct? I can't go and ask every question to my prof. Will the confidence come naturally with practice?
I'd reckon it would, ye - I mean, ultimately, that confidence would be as a result of peer-reviewing, but I'd imagine you'd get comfortable in your own abilities long before then :D
"rigorous enough" is depending on audience
Also we have very similar pfps in vibe and I appreciate this
re read your stuff very carefully and if you cant find any hole in your chain of arguments
well thats the best you can do
and submit it
even experienced mathematicians miss holes
Atleast rigorous enough to the professor. I am going through the course on topology
1 famous example is the proof of fermats theorem
even wiles didnt know it had a hole
which took (i believe) 1 year to fi,
fix
no i mean "rigorous enough" like if you omit some stuff
Yeah I have heard that.
you can assume any other people who read your proof would understand implicitly
or not omitting anything
at the end of the day read your proofs very carefully and if you cant find any holes submit it
if your professor does
study the hole and improve urself
Definitely comes with practice, it was totally natural for me after a year or two of doing it consistently but before then it's like constantly questioning if you're doing anything right
You get a feel for what level of detail is appropriate for different things (oftentimes depending on how well you understand them)
Full mathematicians giving talks still often screw this up
one thing to be careful about is whether the constructions you utilize are actually well-defined
squawk
@ocean harbor
Hai
If you want we can talk here
Sure thing
I'm literally doing nothing in my leadership class 
Teacher isn't here

Reminds me of stuff I can't say here anyway
Turning a server into a DM doenst work well
lmfao
lol

NMTC Stage 2 questions so hard fr
I dare yall to solve like 3 out of 8
Subjective
unless youre a mathgod or something, then 4
I missed my nmtc exam this year.
I got selected for stage 2 without studying โ ๏ธ๐
Could've definitely passed screening.
Andi again, didnt study
Its very easy
Yeah same, I would've too. 
Like not VERY but yeah compared to level 2, very
I feel sad tho
I didnt apply for NSE and all
Do you have the QP?
Chill or DMs I suppose lol.
accha?
abey bhai achanak se padhai badi acchi lagne lagi
just found this, so fascinating for me
Yeah, so if you try standing on one leg, stick your arms up, you will feel a minute force in the corresponding direction.
And look like an idiot.
Coriolis!
halo!
sup
been good stranger how about you
good
same
i rlly want one
hope you'll get one soon
your welcome
wait wait
How dare you not love her
๐
Shes so fluffy
boi i dont know everything yk
yes they are
"Imma just continue my work now"
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lol
Any of you ever tried to find a magic square ?
whats a magic square even?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_square TL;DR: A square of n digits horizontally and vertically that when you add their squares each row, columnnd diagonal gives the same number.
wait what
Think of a spreadsheet that has n amount numbers both horizontally and vertically (hence a square) when you square every cell in the square and add them up the additions in every row, every column, and the two diagonals must give the same amount.
like you get the perimiter while adding eveything else too?
I'm sorry I think it's me that messed up trying to explain. You can check the wiki or this Numberphile video that gives a (failed) attempt. Again sorry: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOT_bG-vWyg
its fine!
Hey @vocal vessel how long you reckon till the others notice we're typing in the dead channel?
Good day and happy weekend. I am looking for exercises online for courses pre-calculus, calculus l, ll and lll. And by online I mean free. Any resources like that. I have googled and I got nothing. Thanks ๐
The best resource out there is "Pauls Online Math Notes" which has tons of short recaps + lots of exercises for precalc through calc 3
Khan Academy also has plenty of stuff and is free, but might be a little more cumbersome
1+1=3
prove im wrong
nah you're correct
He also has nice calculus stuff
Great reference
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is it ok if I ask physics questions in the discussion channel? ๐ญ
This is perfect! Thank you very much!
It's my absolute favorite
def is_one_plus_one_not_three():
while 1 + 1 == 3:
pass
is_one_plus_one_not_three()
See you when it finishes computing.
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You're wrong, but not for the reasons you might think
hiiii guys am new here can anyone help me to know how to use discord and its bots ?
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Pain 
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guys what about rabbits ๐ญ
3a+3a=
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3a + 3a is 3a + 3a
(2+1) * 3 * (a + (a+0))

yes, I like this mentality very much
second round
If I lived in Argentina, I would vote for him
doom
yes
doom eternal is one of my favorite games of all time
theres been a leak about a new doom game
let me google
mmm
because eternal is fucking fast as shit
oh wait this was from the leaked documents from Bethesda right
i think the fast-pacedness of doom eternal just comes from the amount of things you have to do simultaneously
true
like, cycling between literally 8 weapons, glory kills and chainsaw, abilities, movement, taking out special demons, uhhhhh
and everything is hyper aggressive
u basically have to be in a do or die mentality
if ur not using ammo
moving
and glory punching
ur not playing effectively
literally
on nightmare i actually felt like i had a fight or flight reflex every time i played
it was kind of exhausting
i do think that is a good mentality
fun and challenging but i found it hard to come back to sometimes
u need to get in the zone
heโs one of the OG doom speed runners and he also used to do challenge runs on doom eternal
doom 2016?
all doom games
but my favorite is him beating the holt slayer gate ultra nightmare on 2x speed 
mostly catholic stuff
like beating him in one shot of the shotgun
when his eyes go green?
oh youโre talking about the marauder and the strat to kill him in one cycle
yeah
no iโm talking about beating basically the hardest challenge in doom eternal on 2x speed
there is a buffed marauder who is already like 50% faster or something, also there are infinitely respawning enemies that spawn annoying random barriers constantly. then zeromaster said โtoo easy, letโs do 2x speedโ
https://youtu.be/rgpGgdpsAxA just skip into the middle of this and watch it for 30 seconds or something
nowadays he went back to doing mostly challenge runs in og doom which are pretty interesting
theres a wraith inside the marauder
yeah i have done that
no fun
like killing marauders with wraiths inside
fuck possessed marauders lmao
ancient gods part 1 was so good tho
i liked the boss fight
even tho it was hard
better gameplay than icon of sin boss fight imo
i think u can one shot marauders with the hammer too
oh yeah there was the hammer
the ancient gods 2 master levels were insane because the hammer was so op
so the levels had to be equally as broken
i vaguely remember a couple parts like that in the campaign
the world spear master level was absurd, i did not play it but i watched videos of it
hello!
hello
hello
hello
hello
@subtle zinc how muc h
Like 8]
hello
So, how much topology have u seen, however vaguely
Welcome
if its 0, it doesnt rlly matter
very little
ok, so I will work on R^n, which is ... fine.
sure
First, define a path
which is exactly what you think it is
a continuous line embedded in the space
ok
then a loop, which is a path whose start and end points are equal
Next, our space will be any subset of R^n
To keep it 'useful', I will only consider path-connected spaces
So from any point in the subset, theres a path to any other point.
ok
Ok, now we can define the fundamental group
which is like the first big thing u see in algebraic topology
cool thing 
so the underlying set is loops, roughly

We call any 2 loops "equal", if you can deform it continuously from one to the other in that space
So for example, in R^2 space
all loops are equal.
ok
just imagine a rubber band.
so theres only 1 element
and itll be the trivial group
Thats the fundamental group of any R^n
Now, the group operation
What's a trivial group
U need to know what a group is unfortunately 
a group of a single element
Thanks
(the identity)
You can understand what im about to say without knowing though
Ok, so the group operation
has to take in 2 loops
I just need to know what's that tye of group
There's an intuitive way to do this
like the "obvious" way lets say
We first of all, assign a base point to the space
(fundamental groups are always considered for a space with a basepoint - thats the definition)
And we consider the loops that start and end on that basepoint
Then to combine 2 loops, you traverse the first, then traverse the 2nd.
That's your new loop.
oh ok
Remember also, that loops are equal, if they can be deformed to one another
so one of the simplest spaces with a non-trivial fundamental group
is R^2 without the origin
So here's an example of an element
ok
the middle dot is the origin, i chose the base point on the left
If I compose that element with itself
I get a double loop around the origin
So can you maybe see what the fundamental group of this space is isomorphic to...
to do that, you need to try consider what "types" of loops there are
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If you get that, I think that's the idea of a fundamental group good, and then I can describe the cursed example 
So can you classify what loops there are of this space - just describe
R^2 - {0}
(with some fixed basepoint)
ok
Maybe its helpful to first identify what the identity loop is (when I refer to "loop", its technically a class of loops, since we consider a bunch of them to be equal, if they deform to one another)

right
wait should it be a loop that doesn't go around the origin?
Oh this guy
Just remember as karl
yeah any loop that doesnt go around the origin will be an identity loop
ok
they can be deformed into the null loop ig u can say?
i think its called the null loop, but it doesnt matter
ie. the constant loop on your base point
yeah



