#serious-discussion

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neat lintel
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same queen

mint patio
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I don't even know where I'm going to apply all these concepts

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Like

neat lintel
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apply them to ur brain

mint patio
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I'm learning all this amazing theory

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So freaking interesting

silver gale
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You just made a pineapple whoops

mint patio
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But like only 0.2% of it gets used in the real world and only with a ton of other assumptions

silver gale
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That’s what I do on my exams

neat lintel
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STEM really be like that

silver gale
mint patio
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If I become an practicing engineer I'm not gonna use any of this shit I'm pretty sure

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ALl the practical engineering I've done so far hasn't used it

neat lintel
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according to annoying people in highschool who went into engineering "for the money," working engineers "fuck bitches and do drugs all day"

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so you're probably not going to use much theory

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i should clarify my highschool

burnt ledge
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🔥

neat lintel
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i am also fucking bitches and doing drugs every day, and i did a math major, so i guess it worked out

sonic field
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@mint patio 😄

mint patio
mint patio
neat lintel
mint patio
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women in engineering?

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what kind of fantasy land do you live in

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yeah ig it's women and men

sick kite
neat lintel
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i can't fuck bitches and do drugs everyday in a log cabin?

sick kite
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Itd be a bit difficult get said bitches and drugs shipped out to the log cabin

neat lintel
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the forest is full of bears, and i could just make my own drugs

sick kite
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🤨

neat lintel
proud epoch
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anybody who can help me with my casio cg50

sonic field
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no.

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I don'tm believe in those calculators

proud epoch
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anybody at all

sonic field
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Use a TI.

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Wabbit even

weary sable
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what’s going on gayness

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GAYMERS

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i was going to join the other discussion …

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But i decided to Revive Chat

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or attempt to in the very least

pulsar pagoda
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someone was looking for u earlier

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something something ex boyfriend

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idk

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didnt pay much attention

weary sable
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yes i know i saw i was like what the what

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maybe long lost soul mate from another life time

little vine
rapid briar
fair mural
cinder zephyr
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Any advice for destressing about work? It's a disproportionate amount for me. For example I have a graph theory quiz tomorrow that I need a 50% on to maintain a high grade (class is curved) and I have homework due next Wednesday

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and I'm still stressing

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for no reason

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errrr, minor reason, I have to do research + grad school apps

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but like still

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it's disproportionate

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My brain knows I'm fine (hence me typing this message) and yet my stress is elevated

little vine
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Wish I knew. Is it debilitating?

sonic field
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Quick tip for the moment. breathing is always PHENOMENAL if you do it right.

cinder zephyr
sonic field
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Try the square breathing method 4 - 6 - 5 - 5. 4 seconds in 6 seconds hold, 5 seconds out 5 seconds hold.

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Long term, you got a schedule made?

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If you don't, you should make one. make it a checkmark list. Even if you can't get it done, having some of the checkboxes checked off will help you feel better. Other thing I would recommend is

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talk to your professors and let them know how you're feeling. Singlehandedly best move I'd ever done. They've been there and get it (although some of them kinda ridiculous). Just having that conversation a lot of times does a lot to re-energize you and relieve some stress.

deep mango
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square breathing good

solid snow
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@zealous garden Ok, geometric algebra won me over.

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Shit.

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It's too good to pass up

zealous garden
solid snow
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The way vectors are being taught in the context of my calc 3 class with dot and cross products is so much uglier compared to geometric product

vivid halo
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wedge product moment

zealous garden
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Compare $\star(u \wedge v \wedge w)$ and $u \cdot (v \times w)$

fathom swallowBOT
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wraithlord_kovariant

meager sentinel
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Is it impossible to solve a quadractic equation at the form of ax² + bx + c = 0 by extarcting roots?

solar hawk
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Wat

zealous garden
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Careful Amukh

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It's bait

solar hawk
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Lol

granite hound
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God trying to learn how to use proof assistants is a ride
Half the time it's like, "Oh I just plug this into this into this into this and I'm done!"
And the other half it's like "How the FUCK do I tell this stupid program to multiply both sides by 2"

neat lintel
# meager sentinel Is it impossible to solve a quadractic equation at the form of ax² + bx + c = 0 ...
solar hawk
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aha

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sorry eric for the ping

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i needed that message

solid snow
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@zealous garden WHAT WILL IT TAKE FOR GEOMETRIC ALGEBRA TO BE THE WAY PHYSICS IS DONE BY DEFAULT

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oops caps lock

solar hawk
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lol

solid snow
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is it just tradition holding it back?

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i feel you can dumb it down the same way the dot product and cross product can so that people can use it, without having to focus on all the abstract machinery running in the background

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with the added benefit that it's actually just better

zealous garden
solid snow
zealous garden
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I'm not capable of dumbing things down

solid snow
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the videos i've seen on it i think have achieved a mix of that

zealous garden
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I just

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I go in

solid snow
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specifically sudgylacmoe's "a swift introduction to goemetric algebra" and his "addenum" video

zealous garden
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Yes

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His addendum was needed

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He pays every day for the sin of saying ab = a.b + a^b

solid snow
zealous garden
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I also had that misunderstanding

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Correcting it was brutal and enlightening

jolly creek
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I distinctly remember the warning of “never define the geometric product that way”

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Now I pay attention to books’ development as a must

solid snow
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the thing about ga and me is that i don't think im interested enough in physics to ever justify delving super deep into it

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but i do like vector stuff so idk

zealous garden
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Well it wasn't about physics for me

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It was about quaternions

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I just really cared about figuring out quaternions

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And those guys says "it's right here, super easy, look"

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And after shrugging it off like, 5 times

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I actually listened

jolly creek
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I watch u guys talk 👍

zealous garden
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And then while I was there, I saw physics and everything else

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So I decided to dig deeper

solid snow
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i feel that way moreso with geometry as a whole lmao

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i put off caring about geometric properties of stuff until vector calculus caught my eye a bit more and i realized "oh shit, geometry is important and actually cool in this context"

zealous garden
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Lmfao

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I didn't encounter vector calculus in earnest until I had already become acquainted with GA

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Now I hate vector calculus because it inevitably reminds me of geometric calculus and my dissatisfaction with the vector manifold

meager sentinel
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So, extracting roots ONLY WORK if b = 0?

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Otherwise, you have to use other techniques?

neat lintel
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I have no idea what extracting roots mean

meager sentinel
neat lintel
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Do you mean completing the square?

meager sentinel
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No, thats the 3rd method

neat lintel
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Extracting roots makes it sound like you're cutting down a tree

meager sentinel
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1.)Extracting Roots
2.)Factoring
3.)Completing Square
4.)Quad Formula

neat lintel
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Or are you just

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squaring both sides?

meager sentinel
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?

neat lintel
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is that what you mean by extracting roots?

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$$(x-1)^2 = 16$$
$$x-1 = \sqrt{16}$$

meager sentinel
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By extarcting roots i mean by rooting both sides

fathom swallowBOT
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What should I do: Physics

woven blaze
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Someone motivate me 😂 I don’t wanna study

meager sentinel
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Yeah that example

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You root both sides

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But apparantley, you cant just root both sides if b is not 0?

neat lintel
woven blaze
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I wish I was like them so I don’t study 😂

neat lintel
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AA_Hamster_Knife We can make that happen

woven blaze
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No please

neat lintel
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just say solving for x or something

meager sentinel
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Solving x has many methods

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And extracting is just one of em

neat lintel
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you don't need a name for everything, that's insane

jagged forge
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i like extracting roots tho

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makes me feel heartier about my work

meager sentinel
neat lintel
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Coding in C++ feels like a crime ngl

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I'm just ignoring types because I can

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passing a unsigned long into a function that only takes size_t because why not

prisma lake
echo tundra
neat lintel
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Doesn't seem like it

zealous garden
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C++ cares about your typing yes

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But if you tell it to treat this std::string like a struct{ long double a; char b : 4; char c :4;} politely enough it'll try

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It'll be, fucking confused

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But it'll try

pulsar pagoda
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i mean if u do something like

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#include <bitset>
#include <cstddef>
const int byteSize = 42;
using DataType std::byte chunkOfMemory{byteSize};
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that is fine

teal lion
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for use in salad

fair zealot
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Fun thought.

$\nabla$ is the gradient. $\nabla\cdot$ is the divergence, then certainly, $\nabla\nabla^T$ is the Hessian...

Right...?

fathom swallowBOT
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Cute Pink Unicorn

fair zealot
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RIGHT?!

river moon
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no

fair zealot
fair zealot
river moon
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\nabla means nothing by itself

fair zealot
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That is because you won't used to absusing notation.
If you take the outer product of the vector $[\partial {x_1},\cdots, \partial {x_n}]$, you actually have like a matrix with $\partial_{x_i}\partial_{x_j}$ as its element.

fathom swallowBOT
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Cute Pink Unicorn

fair zealot
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Yep yep yep.

river moon
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now prove that the vector with partial derivatives as components actually exists

fair zealot
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augh come on...
I mean, it's just funny and interesting to see things this way. It's just the observation that, operators such as differential operators, acts like a ring, and putting it under the frameworks of linear algebra is not totally... stupid... yet.

river moon
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it's not linear algebra because you aren't working with different bases

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in fact to prove \nabla is a vector you'd have to choose a basis and show that it's components change in one specific way after a change of basis

fair zealot
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Well, partial derivative maps from, the space of linear functionals on $\mathbb R^n$ to, another linear functionals. Say are in Hilbert Spaces, then we would have a $\partial $ as a linear mapping.
Then, a vector of these operator, works on $\mathcal H^n$, that is as much as I want think about it.

The composition of these operator, will be like "the product" of linear algbera, which is not too far fetched, because structural submatrices has rings in then and I am sure pure math people can extend this in their coffee break.

sonic field
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-goes back to coffee break-

fathom swallowBOT
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Cute Pink Unicorn

fair zealot
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Yeah, we might actually have basis Huuuuuuuh.

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I will come up with more cursed ideas for this lovely server.

sonic field
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If you need somethin to do, here: Apply Hessian matrices to representations of adinkras and see what you get. Just for funsies.

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-goes to bed-

fair zealot
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holy shit I never head of that in my whole life, up until now.

sour gulch
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Pls help
I’m trying to use lua and I don’t know what’s wrong with my script
Can someone help me?

Script here

local myTable = {1, 2, 3, name="John"}
return 1 or 2
end

swift sinew
sour gulch
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Thank you

tight comet
teal lion
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If notation is a function N, you’re just defining N to have different types for different types of input

mental stratus
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yooo i am blocked from discord on my pc 😭

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what do i do

blissful acorn
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Looks like its happening to everyone on pc rn

mental stratus
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yoo it works again!!

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all i did was clear the cookies, but im not sure if that's what got me back

neat lintel
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Same I'm too blocked

solar hawk
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@mental stratus @neat lintel go to cloudflare and white list you IP

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Or circulate it if you have a dynamic IP

neat lintel
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It works again just quitted dc and restarted it

neat lintel
teal kiln
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I wondering about my online course said the limit is the advanced version of f(x) idk

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But i have similar
f(x) = (2x²+4x)/x
So if
f(3) = (18+12)/3
So the result
f(3) = 30/3
f(3) = 10

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Correct me if im wrong

long matrix
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18+12/3 = 22

teal kiln
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Hold on

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Forgot the bracket

tight comet
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!help

quasi jettyBOT
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To ask for mathematics help on this server, please open your own help channel or help thread. See #❓how-to-get-help for instructions.

rapid briar
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18+12 = 30 / 3 = 10

long matrix
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18 + 12 doesnt equal 30 / 3
???

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,calc 18+12/3

fathom swallowBOT
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Result:

22
weak vector
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,calc (dc/dx)c=x²/(a+b=c/dx) dx/dy=C/(c+c/dx)

fathom swallowBOT
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The following error occured while calculating:
Error: Invalid left hand side of assignment operator = (char 9)

worn glade
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Is there a scientific name for silly maths errors. I want to be fast but doing calculation in my brain is dumb, sometimes it refuses to give up the idea that -(2)+2(-1)+2(-1)=-8 and doing vector calculation is dumb^3

long matrix
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calculation is an algorithm

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learn the algorithm and write it down

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you first put the correct brackets there, and then apply the binary operations in succession

worn glade
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but -2-2-2=-8

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whatever 2*2*2=6

storm sage
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don't worry, if you ever remember anything wrong you can blame it on the mandela effect

long matrix
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,w mandela effect

pulsar pagoda
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lol

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didnt knew wolfram alpha could do that

weak vector
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,calc $/-n$ -1

fathom swallowBOT
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The following error occured while calculating:
Error: Undefined symbol $

fathom zinc
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hello, can anyone suggest any website or yt channel that easy to learn math ?, I need to learn math again since I'm pretty bad at it.

weak vector
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,calc $/n$ -1

fathom swallowBOT
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The following error occured while calculating:
Error: Undefined symbol $

weak vector
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Bruh

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I was using teXit for calculationg

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,cals -n-1

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,calc -n-1

fathom swallowBOT
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The following error occured while calculating:
Error: Undefined symbol n

weak vector
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nvm

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$/n$ - 1

fathom swallowBOT
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pistolgunman

weak vector
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$n$ - -1

fathom swallowBOT
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pistolgunman

blissful verge
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@little rock this one mune fightt ne ma pics amwe so ka

karmic mica
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Welp, I've just suffered the worst stress/panic attack on a math test that I've ever had

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The self-loathing of the aftermath is immesurable!

sonic field
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u ok?

karmic mica
# sonic field u ok?

I don't know. This is the last year of highschool for me and I need to have a certain average to be able to get into a university I've selected. Over the last few years I've began doubting my mathematical and physics skills more and more and I just feel like I don't have what it takes.

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it is now!

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The stakes are as high as they'll ever be. This is a turning point in my life and I feel like I'm about to utterly ruin it

sonic field
karmic mica
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That's good advice, I presume. Every time after enjoying my free time, I feel guilty about not doing enough which is reinforced even more when I fail tests such as today.
Either way, thanks for hearing me out. 👍

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Needed to get these things at least partially off my chest by screaming into the void of the internet

sonic field
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we need that sometimes 🙂

umbral forge
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Started learning about rings and fields and I was wondering if there’s a generalized notion of primes for operations in rings

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Kind of like being able to construct every element of a ring using a subset of it with either addition or multiplication

neat lintel
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Can someone help me with

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parametric curves polar coordinates

cinder zephyr
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ez money

heady topaz
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Can someone help me

neat lintel
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math debate

solar hawk
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By brownie actually tasted like shit

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My

neat lintel
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wtf bro

solar hawk
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I can’t bake 😭

neat lintel
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am so sad bro

solar hawk
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:(

neat lintel
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next time dont not bake it and eat sauce?

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its like cookie doh

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good!

rapid briar
mental stratus
solar hawk
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Does this look gross

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Ignore the knife scrapes at the bottom

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Actually

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I’ll crop it

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Nvm it looks gross in the picture

lean coyote
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Is it a good idea to join internships on LinkedIn from small tech companies provided for free with small projects to showgirl? Mostly these small tech companies are Indian
E.g
Meriskill
Info aid tech
Code samurai
Bharat intern
Etc

pulsar pagoda
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no

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i have done it not worth it

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latín american companies though

rapid briar
neat lintel
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LETSGOO I got a 100 on my government test

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How do you guys remember the binomial coefficient?

jagged forge
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n k n-k

burnt ledge
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^

jagged forge
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you just remember it after doing it a few times

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cuz it shows up a lot

burnt ledge
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the way i think about it. its the number of way to choose k items from n right.
so we decide we will pick the first k, to make life easier.
we can reshuffle the whole list to get a new selection of k items(there are n! reshufflings)
but two things leave our selected items unchanged:

  1. reshuffle the first k items. this means we pick the same items in a diff order, which we dint care about (there are k! such reshufflings)
  2. reshuffle the other n-k items we didnt pick. this doesnt change our items at all but still counts as a reshuffling (there are (n-k)! such reshufflings
    so theres a total of n!/(k!(n-k)!) ways to pick our k items from the n total
neat lintel
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02_noted I see. Thank you

storm sage
sonic field
# solar hawk I can’t bake 😭

we knew that already tho. you verified that the solution to your baking skills was some burnt food (much like you verified that ae^(rx) is a soln to y''+ay'+by=0, but yet still didn't believe it to be true 😄 )

neat lintel
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math debate

sonic field
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rofl I'm surprised I didn't get a retort tbh

sonic field
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nvm

solar hawk
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Your toes are prolly more brunt than my bakings

flint basin
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wtf

solar hawk
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Ashy like Pompeii

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And elbows too

sonic field
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don't get mad cuz you burn up some brownies 🤣

solar hawk
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😭

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It’s ok jay

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We’re close enough I can say whatever I want and we will be fine

sonic field
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You right it is ok

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I just warmed up some quesadillas and they're delicious

solar hawk
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There is pizza in the freezer

sonic field
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the microwave is calling your n ame

solar hawk
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I’m learning graph theory rn

solar hawk
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Do you know graff thekry jay

sonic field
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I'm jus sayin man, that seems like an appropriate function here. that oven function smh... oven(x) = null space

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if I do I don't know it

solar hawk
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Dikstras

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Smthn like that

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Algorithm

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Ily platonically jay

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Cuz ur a good frien

sonic field
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what is a graph

solar hawk
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A set of nodes and a set of edges connecting the nodes

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The edges are tuples only

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The max number of edges in a graph with n nodes is n!/2!(n-2)!

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Or like basically

sonic field
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hmm I guess nodes makes sense

solar hawk
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n(n-1)/2 or smthn

sonic field
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does permutations matter there?

solar hawk
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They matter everywhere

solar hawk
sonic field
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I'm wondering if they're still considered connected if they're in different orders

solar hawk
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Wdym

sonic field
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from how it's defined, it seems like it doesnt

solar hawk
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Well there is types of graphs

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If a graph is not directed

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Then if a is connected to b, b is connected to a

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If it is directed, no more is that the case

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Then the edges have arrows on them

sonic field
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I see. so for directed graphs, reading your graph on the right from top to bottom, {3,2,1,5} does not equal {3,1,2,5}

solar hawk
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Ye sure

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But not really how you would do that

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You can flip and thrn and re arrange ur graff all you want

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It’s the edges that describe them

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{(1,2), (1,3),(3,1)}

sonic field
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🤔

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mm i actually prolly gonna have to learn this next semester

solar hawk
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Wherever they might ve

sonic field
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i c

solar hawk
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Yes

sonic field
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sounds boring so far

solar hawk
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Excuse me

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If I knew what city you was in

sonic field
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now differentiable structures tho smug

solar hawk
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I could use graff theory to get to your house in the quickest manor

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Rather than taking time making extra turns

sonic field
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it's not gonna matter if I'm not there KEK

solar hawk
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Also solving suduku puzzles

solar hawk
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😭

sonic field
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I'm trying coconut curry for the first time... it's kinda bomb 👀

flint basin
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yummy

sonic field
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at first I wasn't really impressed, but it grew on me quick!

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-first time eating curry-

solar hawk
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Yay

solar hawk
flint basin
sonic field
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u wat

solar hawk
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And multiple edges is bs

flint basin
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Like an edge (a,a)

crimson stone
solar hawk
solar hawk
sonic field
solar hawk
flint basin
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graph theory is nice because it's easy to pick up

solar hawk
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Fr that’s why I can do it

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Well

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I can’t

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But I will be able to

sonic field
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not if you suck at geometry

solar hawk
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By December

sonic field
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like jay

solar hawk
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I suck at geometry

sonic field
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and everything else

solar hawk
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But algorithms

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Hell yeah learning this algorithm for the 10th time today

sonic field
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I gotta find out

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where these are coming from

flint basin
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We should be teaching the children categories so they can learn (co)homology

sonic field
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Ofc. They also should learn topology in kindergarten

dapper badge
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There's that article on cohomology in addition

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They should do that

flint basin
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chmalter

sonic field
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wait wait wait you talkin bout this??

dapper badge
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Yeah

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That's a good article

sonic field
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bruh 💀

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I was gonna read it too!

dapper badge
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Helped me learn more group cohomology

sonic field
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wild

dapper badge
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I have an idea

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Unit tangent bundle of S^2 is diffeomorphic to RP^3

sonic field
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tag-out. @neat lintel

dapper badge
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and methinks that if tangent bundle of S^2 was trivial, the unit tangent bundle would be trivial too

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but pi_1(RP^3) = Z/2 while pi_1(S^2 x S^1) = Z

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maybe this is different way of showing tangent bundle of S^2 is non-trivial?

sonic field
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i can answer that in a few years 👀

dapper badge
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just a walterthought

neat lintel
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Bro

split pawn
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Brandon

neat lintel
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My college game me a programming assignment

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It is three two lines of if statements

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Wtf is this college even doing

pulsar pagoda
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@neat lintel whats ur major?

neat lintel
white spindle
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hey guys got you a proposition, modulo 64 127 results in .5(-)-.5(+), modulo 127 64 results in .5(+)-.5(-) thus painting can be made MOD 127 8+16 MOD 1+16 127, the formal series of my city painting here: (0-0-(-)-X-MOD 127 8 MOD 1 MOD 127-1-(-)-0)+(2-0-(-)-Y-MOD 127 (3n) 22+5 MOD 127 16-3-(-)-0)+(4-(0-6)-Z-MOD 127 50 MOD 64 127-5-(-)-0)-(6-0-(-)-A-MOD 127 77 MOD 111 127-7-(-)-0) where AXYZ denotes the vector displacement of the line, how many times the modulo is repeated by its integer depth... this has applications for stock graphs and 3D graphics like a nintendo headset!

split pawn
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What is this

pulsar pagoda
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yeah dont expect to get applicable knowledge (most collleges dont give a crap)

white spindle
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that is this picture i have writ with envelope follower

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*mathematical description of its modulo therein

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yea i have drawn a little roof there with the 22+5

neat lintel
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Honestly

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I would read what you wrote, but I can't

pulsar pagoda
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i tend to ignore him

white spindle
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that shows how you might show some basic perspective with envelope follower

neat lintel
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peepoTalk💬 looking.oO("What is this guy talking about?")

pulsar pagoda
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anyway my advice would be to develop project outside of the curriculum

white spindle
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i do play minecraft and am a miner

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that is probably why, too much minecraft

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i mine trees with stone adzes

neat lintel
pulsar pagoda
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its about finding the right people

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at least thats how it was with me

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i hanged around with electronic and electrical engineers enough

neat lintel
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you can spot when i started college 😭

pulsar pagoda
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march?

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i dont do much leetcode

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i guess i could do those exercises if i used python though

neat lintel
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Leetcode is fun

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it's like math

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just pattern recognition

pulsar pagoda
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most people that do leetcode this days try to brute force it with chat gpt

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theres more to software than fixing stuff to fit a certain problem

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knowing how to design your own solutions is what gives u perspective

split pawn
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ChatGPT for LeetCode problems seems dumb and smart at the same time

neat lintel
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based on what i saw of the leetcode community during my short time on it

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those people are fucking idiots

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doesn't surprise me they'd try to chatgpt up the problems

jagged forge
#

there’s a leetcode community?

neat lintel
#

There are a couple discord servers

open aspen
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leetcode problems are fun to do casually

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I imagine not so fun to like, have to interview prep for

jagged forge
#

interviewing is stressful, personally i do not think leetcode makes it much worse than it already is

neat lintel
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I hate how some textbooks aren't written in a way so that concepts build on each other

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You can read something in chapter 2 and never see it again

wild lantern
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Not all topics are linear.

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Sometimes things are important but don't build so heavily off of prior topics or are not used heavily to build later things.

loud snow
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because math research isn't a linear development and you often read papers from different sources to get a whole picture of a linear narrative

cloud wraith
loud snow
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i would say programming too, but im biased

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because all of my knowledge programming has been through reading random topics and trial and error

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when i know that colleges teach in a traditionally linear pattern

cloud wraith
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yeah that sucks

pulsar pagoda
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do both

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if u can

loud snow
ocean harbor
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@tame egret waves

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do you know what time is it for me rn

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ocean harbor
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yes I took a long nap after school so I don't feel sleepy rn

ocean harbor
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,ti

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split pawn
teal kiln
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teal kiln
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Argh

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I dont mean to do that

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icy locust
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To people who self-taught math: When solving proof exercises, how much formality do you require for you to consider a question "done?" (My immediate interest is in machine learning and cryptography, but I don't rule out the possibility of academic/researcher career)

It already takes quite a few minutes to tackle one question and come up with a idea, and the process easily lengthens to hours as you specify everything and admit no logical leaps. However, since I have no instructors available, it's not easy to check if what you did was correct without going step-by-step through the proof yourself. (I can't ask people to check every question of my answer, and enrolling to college would mean I would have to drop my full-time job :)

Right now I'm thinking of an iterative approach of gradually increasing formality: just assume questions done with an approximate proof sketch and move on to next question, and come up with a formal proof later when you have time or get stuck with some ideas.

Example: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/992048169946988615/1157681707818963074/dim-theorem-0-01.png

ocean harbor
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also I just feel asleep at 8am for me lol

split pawn
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Who pinged me

ocean harbor
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me

split pawn
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Why did you

ocean harbor
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I didn't gave you a ghost ping

little vine
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The point is to understand not to write a beautiful proof at least for me

icy locust
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Yeah I gave up with elegant proofs lol. Just wanted to make sure I got the ideas correct and can argue stuff if I were to ever e.g. author a paper (field of interest is infosec, which is relatively new field and admittedly doesn't require as much formality if you peek into their top tier journals; I have experience co-authoring a paper)

little vine
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Yeah if I was writing for a paper I'd make sure my proof is beautiful as possible

mental stratus
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stackoverflow is currently offline for maintenance

solar hawk
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stackoverflow never provides solutions for my bugs anyway though

pulsar pagoda
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i disable intellisense in vscode

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cause when doing cpp stuff

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intellisense is just dumb

neat lintel
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i had a friend who used vscode for java

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he never got good at java

pulsar pagoda
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ehh

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most problems people have with java and c#

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is they have no previous experience compiling and using build systems

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and then they go

neat lintel
#

setting up vscode for OOP is pain

pulsar pagoda
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python and nodejs are lit

neat lintel
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ysah

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yeah

pulsar pagoda
#

and im like

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go do web

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be happy

neat lintel
#

vscode and js are made for each otjer

pulsar pagoda
#

like vscode is nice

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but if ur doing work in serious languages

neat lintel
pulsar pagoda
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u better not rely on it too much

pulsar pagoda
solar hawk
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the big thing about compiled languages is the

neat lintel
solar hawk
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before-time errors

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like "a" - 3

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except like

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its giving me errors sometimes where im not making any

pulsar pagoda
solar hawk
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like i have 2 vscode env and 1 of them has no errors, one of them does, and GCC has none

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😭

pulsar pagoda
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but i rather use dotnet cli

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to interact with c#

solar hawk
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and the env are exactly the same too 😭

solar hawk
neat lintel
solar hawk
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i dont like big IDE in general

pulsar pagoda
solar hawk
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i dont see how people do

pulsar pagoda
solar hawk
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i use nano for C, especially on the go

neat lintel
pulsar pagoda
solar hawk
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i cant switch to vim now

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becuase

neat lintel
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is it good for

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cpp

solar hawk
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every time i want to edit a file i insticively type "nano x.ext"

pulsar pagoda
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the reason i use VS

solar hawk
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code?

pulsar pagoda
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is cause courses require me to use VS

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visual studio

solar hawk
#

ic

pulsar pagoda
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otherwise i would not use it

solar hawk
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what would you use

pulsar pagoda
#

forcing people to use a tool to do their job

solar hawk
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lmao

pulsar pagoda
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dotnet cli

solar hawk
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the bot was slow

pulsar pagoda
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dotnet cli with microsoft build as build system

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and either vim or vscode

solar hawk
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i forget vs has a whole tool system too sometimes

#

what is it used for tho

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besides c#

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thats literally the only thing

tame egret
ocean harbor
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hi

modest echo
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anyone able to help with excel ??

odd plover
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hi

loud snow
tame egret
ocean harbor
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not quite bad hbu

tame egret
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good

ocean harbor
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stu(dying)

tame egret
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how's school?

ocean harbor
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good

tame egret
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nice to hear that.

mental stratus
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math

tame egret
burnt dune
azure matrix
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I'd like to talk about comments of some logician on philosophy/philosophers and see if you agree with him or not.

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Firstly, he says philosophy doesn't inform everything else. Then, after I had said about talking with philosophers on the subject, I got the following: "(Some) Philosophers in particular aren't even convinced that objective reality exists, and at that point I ain't gonna bother telling them what to believe in. Especially if they demand that I argue from within their system. Philosophical argumentation is too weak to even "convincingly" refute that." What do you think? Isn't he showing ignorance and arrogance?

jagged forge
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personally, though not having heard any more details, i would be suspicious of a philosopher proclaiming that philosophy “informs everything else”

azure matrix
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Well, he said, "it's everything else that informs philosophy, not the other way around". It's about sciences, including math.

jagged forge
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sounds like he has had some bad experiences with philosophers

azure matrix
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yeah that's what i suspect

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I got very upset about it because I asked a question on some math concept that probably needs some philosophy, and I value all academic disciplines. He said, "philosophy doesn't get us anywhere".

long matrix
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its very rare a math question is philosophical

jagged forge
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yeah i am not sure if philosophy would help you with math much

azure matrix
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Okay, it was about accepting 0.

jagged forge
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ah

long matrix
jagged forge
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well math doesn’t care if you do or don’t accept 0, so i guess that is more philosophy than math?

long matrix
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yes, if theres any discussion to be had on that onez its philosophical

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I think that one is pretty timewasting to try entertaining a mathematician with

jagged forge
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well there are semigroups and things of that sort i suppose

long matrix
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Its not wrong to say "philosophy gets you nowhere" with respect to the math

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like nothing is going to break down from whether you accept 0 or choice or whatever due to philosophical concerns

azure matrix
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Yeah, it was my bad as well. Probably I thought I might get some other non-mathematical reasoning and kept going. He gave me some physical scenario but he mixed it with some math. Then he blamed me for not getting his arguments. I blamed him for aggressively pushing his view with a tunnel vision. After that, I said conciliatory words and it seemed I could get out of there peacefully. But then when I said "Math is grounded on philosophy to some extent", he got triggered. I wasn't trying to devalue math. I just meant there is an important connection between math and philosophy.

neat lintel
fringe summit
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Math does not depend on philosophy either tbh

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“Do you accept 0” as a philosophical question is irrelevant to math, because we can just as easily suppose it exists as if we supposed it didn’t, similarly to choice, determinacy, CH, forcing axioms (particularly Martin’s maximum)

vivid halo
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it does when choosing foundations

zealous garden
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but I can certainly begin from a standpoint of music theory when deciding how I will create this peace

fringe summit
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Choosing a foundation would use philosophy but you can prove stuff in a foundation wholly independently

zealous garden
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yes, peace

fringe summit
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Philosophy just justifies why you’d want that foundation, doesn’t really have any substance to it though

wet mortar
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"Do you accept 0" is more a psychology question:
if your answer is no then you're insane

zealous garden
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and I'll do it again

wet mortar
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both replies track

flint basin
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Numbers aren't realy anyways

zealous garden
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I like whatever Pennrose said

fringe summit
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I think any philosophy in math is irrelevant catKing

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None of it is real

zealous garden
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I'm mad he thought of it first

zealous garden
fringe summit
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Exactly

zealous garden
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as a philosopher, I say all math is real

fringe summit
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“Does XYZ really exist” who cares, doesn’t change anything regardless of what the philosopher concludes

zealous garden
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so the scientists need to get with the program

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I want to find the quantum field responsible for category theory~~

fringe summit
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Quantum field responsible for langlands

wet mortar
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I thought it was just an example

latent edge
zealous garden
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it's not obvious that we should accept 0

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it's not a matter of philosophy though, just a matter of whether you're a bad person or not

fringe summit
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Based

pulsar pagoda
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bro u know whats based

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nvm

fringe summit
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Just started watching “Traitors” on peacock

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This just sounds like TOS

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Town of Salem: the show

deep mango
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i havent seen it yet

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but there's a bunch of people on it that i love

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i know how it goes unfortunately

latent edge
flint basin
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It's like illuminator is right here with us still bearlain

deep mango
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they're making a season 2 of the traitors, its filming currently

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(which also has more people i love)

fringe summit
deep mango
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yeah i love tos

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i havent played it in a while

fringe summit
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Depending on exactly how they determine the ancillary rules ofc

deep mango
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i go back to it every 6 months or so

fringe summit
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But this player count seems very townie favored

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Then again, it seems more classical Mafia

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And determining the win state etc

fringe summit
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You can’t

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Unless you count A therefore A

deep mango
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enjoy! i'll definitely get around to watching it

zealous garden
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ZF+Zorn's Lemma

deep mango
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i know the end but nothing about how it gets there

fringe summit
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Based game

deep mango
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very fun

fringe summit
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TOS I think was better balanced

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(Than TOS 2)

deep mango
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i never checked out tos 2

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im mostly a huge secret hitler fan

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tos is very fun too

fringe summit
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TOS 2 has daytime actions

deep mango
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but i played an obscene amount of SH during the pandemic

fringe summit
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Like a daytime killing role

deep mango
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online

fringe summit
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I prefer TOS1 style social deduction atm, but TOS2 is still cool

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I also find “-$10” hilarious

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I don’t know SH unfortunately

azure matrix
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Aren't axioms just assumptions/premises and by definition they can't be proved or disproved?

fringe summit
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you can possibly prove stuff about (in)consistency

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Or in(ter)depedence

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But not disprove

tiny saddle
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hmmCat and sometimes theorems are proven in other systems and then used as axioms to do smth more general

deep mango
tiny saddle
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ryc tinybirb

fringe summit
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Well I assumed it was similar social deduction game lol

deep mango
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it's a lot simpler in execution, only 3 types of roles. but the mechanics are a little more mathematically interesting i would say

fringe summit
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trollge oh no

deep mango
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not complicated at all

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but like

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conflicts are more concrete and have different probabilities of resolving one way or the other, depending on how the players set them up

fringe summit
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I see

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Is it probabilistic?

azure matrix
fringe summit
#

I liked how TOS is essentially deterministic, excluding pirate opencry and maybe psy depending on your interpretation

deep mango
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i like the art too

deep mango
flint basin
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Oh secret hitler!

fringe summit
flint basin
#

I've played that actually

fringe summit
latent edge
flint basin
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Yeah it's an interesting game. We played it at some of our DRP get-togethers

azure matrix
fringe summit
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No because I just assume axioms for generalizations

azure matrix
fringe summit
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Because A -> B, so what if B (which does not have B->A)

azure matrix
#

Didn't get it

deep mango
fringe summit
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Ah I see

#

TOS is peak gaming tbh

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💊

flint basin
#

Hit them with the preemptive

fringe summit
#

This show already has stuff with vibes like “nice try exe”

flint basin
#

monkey sub catlove

white spindle
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WoW proposition, (5)AND+=5ANDA+ exiles reach ship... A+=(7)AND+,7ANDB+ gnolls! -AND=(5)ANDC+=C+2ADDER=6ANDD+ shadow plains! SET2,D+=(5)2ADDER=5ANDE+,VUE+ lair!

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that is AND with depth n at no parenthesis and AND number of AND with parenthesis

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for example 7J&7U=7AND

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while J&U=AND, we have 7(J&U) for (7)AND

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naw that is an amperstand not an algebraic equation, you can't distribute it haha

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they're not the same! 7(J&U) goes 1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2 while 7J&7U goes 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7

fringe summit
#

Bro are you ok

white spindle
#

hey i got u world of warcraft trial quests in 555kb with this method

pulsar pagoda
#

there is a really High tolerance for trolling here

white spindle
#

*super lightweight

jagged forge
#

he is not trolling as far as i can tell

white spindle
#

that is 10Second/56K modem for the quest, and like instant even with dsl

pulsar pagoda
#

he is doing a puzzle to give away a wow key?

white spindle
#

2S dsl

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no this is my own thing!

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it is based around wow

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but it is mine

fringe summit
pulsar pagoda
#

ahh

white spindle
#

hey calm down buddy i am just offering propositions

fringe summit
#

Like there was some obscure indirect speak of antipsychotics by him once, is my basis for this?

white spindle
#

hey actually this was in reference to all the chlorine and corrosive gas on my planet i set up on in starfield

fringe summit
white spindle
#

naw um, i cannot link this specific proof because i have had problems with malware

fringe summit
jagged forge
#

are you saying you encoded the wow trial quests in 555kb with this method

fringe summit
jagged forge
#

i do not understand

pulsar pagoda
#

isnt a propósition a resolvable sentence?

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that is either true or false

white spindle
#

yea suremark it is just the quests though, not any text of the quest or menu just the existence of the quest on the system

fringe summit
#

I do not think this is proposition in that sense

pulsar pagoda
#

if it's not in that sense then idc about the propósition

jagged forge
white spindle
#

well, technically my proposition is a partial truth because you will need to write somebody the text of the NPC as well, which takes a large deal of processing power...

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this is only quests, size before encoding is like 555kb then if you encode it is 493kb

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*so fits in L1 cache of most pc

fringe summit
white spindle
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hey i have had problems with malware so i dont want you guys to get the same malware my pc has by loading my exes i did the proofs with

jagged forge
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uhhhhh 555kb does not fit in l1 cache for most processors as far as i know

white spindle
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encoded is 493 and that is what is actually loaded

fringe summit
#

I feel vindicated for my skepticism of the Dropbox links

white spindle
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plus actually it is 110kb and 413kb 2 L1 components

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even like a pi has a couple L1 cache to it, so it is no problem to load it

fringe summit
#

Won’t you need the 555kb anyway to un-encode?

white spindle
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naw it is instanced, you goto an instance for the final section which makes it fit

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i actually have instanced the demonweb pits, and the initial lair at end is naturally instanced because that seemed better

jagged forge
#

i am pretty sure l1 cache is typically on the order of 64kb per core

white spindle
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huh i got a hella pc then cause my L1 cache is 512kb

fringe summit
jagged forge
#

what cpu do you have

white spindle
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um some kind of i7

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that makes it hella easy to go over spec, on the build, yea, but idk, it might be my cpu power or malware causing breakage i think maybe either

jagged forge
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i7 13700k has 80kb l1 per core

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maybe you meant l2

pulsar pagoda
#

or maybe he has a server cpu

jagged forge
#

i mean i looked it up and eg an amd epyc has 96kb per core

white spindle
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huh well anyways you probably can load 3MB L3 which is what matters on my pc, who cares about l1 specs

pulsar pagoda
#

do addition per corr

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maybe he means total l1 cache

fringe summit
white spindle
#

i know that u are getting at least 3MB effective performance of assembly libraries out of my i7

jagged forge
#

Jimmy are you splitting up your data across multiple threads

white spindle
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man i am NOT

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this is one thread

jagged forge
pulsar pagoda
#

then he is not using all that cache

white spindle
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haha

fringe summit
#

Not multithreaded

white spindle
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i cannot bear to use multiple threads

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naw this is just one track

jagged forge
#

did you say you’re programming in assembly?

white spindle
#

huh actually modular not assembly sorry

pulsar pagoda
#

mmm

jagged forge
#

modular?

pulsar pagoda
#

modula lang

white spindle
#

modular is like assembly but hella slow and more beautiful to the ears

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for example like i try to have a buffer and it is perfectly declared it is all FUZZY in modular

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i got a blockchain, it forms a lazer even if you have it programed right, modular is real hard

jagged forge
#

is this that digital synth thing you were talking about

white spindle
#

huh well actually this is more like the silicon of the CPU but at the level of like 1HZ maybe, not 4GHZ

jagged forge
#

can you link me to some resources on modular

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oh

white spindle
#

huh, well i am self taught

jagged forge
#

modula lang?

white spindle
#

huh i got you a book on modular lang i wrote

jagged forge
#

idk what that is either

pulsar pagoda
#

and doesnt have anything to do with hardware synthesis

jagged forge
#

wait modula influenced go?

pulsar pagoda
#

idk

jagged forge
#

according to wikipedia

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i use go at work

pulsar pagoda
#

go is cook

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cool*

white spindle
pulsar pagoda
#

it's multi threading it's ez

jagged forge
#

go is nice but i hate zero values

pulsar pagoda
#

coroutines right?

white spindle
#

yo there is that book that i wrote, it tries to explain in science terms the things i am doing

#

i got modulo influenced 3D graphics not go, but it only writes one frame of video, need to make more paintings to animate with

jagged forge
#

they are basically lightweight user space threads

pulsar pagoda
#

ohh

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do they follow the pthreads sys call?

jagged forge
#

i am not sure about the implementation at that level of detail, but they do not map 1-1 to threads

pulsar pagoda
#

😦

jagged forge
#

it is called M:N threading or something

#

multiple goroutines are multiplexed onto many machine threads

pulsar pagoda
#

ahh

jagged forge
#

usually a lot more goroutines than threads

pulsar pagoda
#

do u know protothreads?

jagged forge
#

protothreads? nope

pulsar pagoda
#

Ive used them in the past

#

they don't change the PC

#

so u can fool the runtime into doing no blocking polling

#

cool stuff

#

a pain on the ass though since i had to use it on a arduino

#

not blocking*

jagged forge
#

are you saying you can write regular code and it will do non-blocking operations?

pulsar pagoda
#

yes but it's whacky

#

polling is when u have a while true kind of thing

#

and ur waiting for something in the while

#

normally thats blocking exec

#

the thing is the Arduino needed to use more than 2 hardware interrupts at the same time

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cause the sensors required data

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sensors had to activate to get the data i mean

#

and theres was a lora radio that had to constantly listen for messaged

#

messages*

#

the radio used interrupts also

white spindle
#

that is some real old usage of the code outside of a blockchain where it goes together

#

that is where u are actually using code not blockchain to code

pulsar pagoda
#

why are this guys sentences making more sense than mine

fringe summit
#

What does blockchain mean here

pulsar pagoda
#

i usually understand blockchain as a distributed db with eventual consistency

jagged forge
jagged forge
#

i thought interrupts trigger code whether or not you’re waiting for it

pulsar pagoda
#

well the thing is interrupts incur in context switching

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and i needed the radio to keep listening

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cause i was implementing a three way handshake with a raspberry pi

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that was 5 kilometers away

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fun stude

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fun stuff*

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basically if there was no message to stop the Arduino from doing what it was doing

jagged forge
#

what do you mean incur in context switching, are you saying you couldn’t use interrupts because of the cost of context switching?

pulsar pagoda
#

it resulted in a swamp on the potato field

pulsar pagoda
#

cause it would save it and move it out of the stack

#

so You could be lets Say spending a message from the pi and it would not get it

#

cause the memory block which was containing the instructions to run the radio

#

had been removed from the Stack

#

sending isntead of spending

#

i hate auto complete

crystal coral
#

why is divide by zero not equal to infinite?

#

whys it undefined?

jagged forge
pulsar pagoda
#

yed

rose thorn
#

Hi

jagged forge
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but can you still set up 2 different interrupts

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with a single thread

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can you even use a single thread for this app?

rose thorn
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Yes

pulsar pagoda
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at the SIDE of the arduino

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yes

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but i had to force it to reestart itself

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so i had to be fine with either storing the data in the Arduino and retrying

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or losing it entirely

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this would have been easier if múltiple raspberry pi we're used

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but i didnt make that decision

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if it sounds whacky and ugly

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it's cause it was

white spindle
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hey i have only experimented around with SIDE usage in one effect, i think that side usage is definitely super SPIRITUAL because stereo is added by mask and i had reserved the SIDE usage exclusively for religious purposes and made everything else not forced but implied MID, so that the SPIRITUAL effect of having double the power is preserved for JESUS

jagged forge
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what is SIDE

white spindle
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SIDE is the mode added by forced double channel DXD for the aurdrinos control board

pulsar pagoda
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i meant side

white spindle
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it is not necessary to use, but you can hold two control signals with SIDE, i had reserved this usage just for SPIRITUAL usage because it causes bilingual appearance in both spanish and english

pulsar pagoda
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fucking auto complete

white spindle
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teachers, or also the religious, can use SIDE to hold your two separate signal for two separate audience

pulsar pagoda
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@fringe summit this is another Level of schizo

neat lintel
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Can I use SIDE to hold my signal for my gay friends and another signal for my christian parents?

weary sable
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hey babes

harsh trench
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hi ig

white spindle
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no it only works for people who agree to it, most people get both signals

pulsar pagoda
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how u doing?

weary sable
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im good. im very full so 🫶🏾

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good vibes here

jagged forge
pulsar pagoda
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the radio remember

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it needs to keep listening

weary sable
pulsar pagoda
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not talking about u

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we all love u here

weary sable
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ur sweet

pulsar pagoda
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forgive me pretty ps

fringe summit
weary sable
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No i got called schizo by someone in real life

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Not schizo just bipolar 😇🫶🏾

weary sable
fringe summit
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Real

weary sable
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I don’t think we’re simulated anymore (i think. also for now)

pulsar pagoda
weary sable
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Brain pills are good for you

fringe summit
pulsar pagoda
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yes

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but i worked with My psychiatrist

neat lintel
weary sable
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I’ll probably think we’re simulated again at some point but yk until next time :3

weary sable
white spindle
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hey i can explain what SIDE and MID mean, most people are MID so they will hear both of the SIDE channel, however the baptized and people who take communion hear a SIDE channel which it is this SIDE channel compatibility which saved jesus from death and saves generally the Christian from death because they are SIDE compatible not like a nonreligious person who is MID compatibile, thus hears both situation of the SIDE each of them, whereas the religious only hear one of the SIDE - this is because actually there are infinite SIDE, which are all the lives you might have been - multiverse in other words - the relgious see a different universe because of SIDE compatibility

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religious just have 2 SIDE, which are equality

weary sable
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Is this how i sounded

white spindle
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naw that is how I sounded

jagged forge
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did u just call me mid

weary sable
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multiverse

jagged forge
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i’m going to destroy you

white spindle
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hawt dang no we are all saved from eternal sin intrinsiclly

pulsar pagoda
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is that something Bad?

weary sable
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i still believe in the multiverse

pulsar pagoda
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ohh

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suremark angry

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first time seeing that

weary sable
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if im religious but not christian am i still mid

pulsar pagoda
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thats no buenl

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no bueno

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ayayaya

weary sable
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abrahamic religious

jagged forge
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yes i am genuinely angry /s

white spindle
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i am a robot so I am R

weary sable
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oh oh oh

pulsar pagoda
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here photo of bruno

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My doggy

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he's good boy

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yes yes?

weary sable
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the best boy

white spindle
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haw i guess, as long as he doesnt get into the garbage

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my old labrador kept getting into the garbage!

jagged forge
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he does not look to pleased to be in the photo

pulsar pagoda
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he's always like that

jagged forge
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he looks worried lol

pulsar pagoda
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thats him when he's not grumpy

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when he's grumpy he Will bite

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like Will Smith

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throw a punch out of nowhere

weary sable
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my campus has this therapy dog that is always around campus for students to pet etc and this is when i met him last year on the first day of classes 😁

pulsar pagoda
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nice

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are those braids hand Made?