serious-discussion

[peak tide]

insurers take their cut too of course

[flint basin]

fair, i read providers as doctors

[peak tide]

it's a lousy system but it's what we have.. and like i said, it's way better than it was before obamacare

[flint basin]

but yeah, no reason essential shit like insulin is 10+ times marked up

[vocal vessel]

Reason is greed

[flint basin]

and yet there are so many people who argue in favor of this shitty system

poor people who do not even benefit from the greed

makes no sense

[peak tide]

actually about half the country thinks this system is way too generous, they spent years trying to repeal obamacare and they are dead set against any further socialization of health care spending

so what realistically are you going to do in that situation

[flint basin]

true, even worse than I said

[vocal vessel]

The forest was shrinking but the trees kept voting for the axe, for the axe was clever and convinced the trees that because his handle was wood he was one of them.

[neat lintel]

and a lot of propaganda

[peak tide]

most working people have insurance through their employers and they pay a relative pittance for it (the employer pays for most of it).. whenever consumers are shielded from the actual costs, then of course they're gonna vote stupidly

[flint basin]

not most working people

relatively few I would imagine

[wet mortar]

you often hear the tale of the doctor and the sweetshop owner

[flint basin]

(don't know exact number offhand)

[wet mortar]

but all too common nowadays is the fake doctor

i.e. there will be some unfortunate situation that does not need to occur

[peak tide]

the numbers i'm seeing are roughly 70% of the workforce

[wet mortar]

but people are biased to think it must be like that for a reason and that those who do not believe it must are naive

[peak tide]

it's true that part timers don't tend to get health insurance benefits

[flint basin]

https://www.census.gov/library/publications/2022/demo/p60-278.html#:~:text=Of the subtypes of health,percent)%2C%20and%20VA%20and%20CHAMPVA

54.3%

[peak tide]

there are a lot of grifters out there to be sure, seems especially bad in certain subfields like dentistry, so much unnecessary work being performed

[flint basin]

which is more than I expected tbh

[wet mortar]

that's not what I meant really

[peak tide]

that's a different statistic: 54.3% of people with insurance of any kind (which includes all retirees) get it via an employer

[peak tide]

what do you mean by "fake doctors" then?

[wet mortar]

have you ever heard of the tale of the doctor and the sweetshop owner?

[peak tide]

i don't recall this tale

[wet mortar]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fLJBzhcSWTk&t=177

timestamped

[proper hull]

hy

[long matrix]

I don't disagree with the conclusion, but I wonder about the claimed 'uproar' it would cause

[proper hull]

how are you

[wet mortar]

ig bottom line is

some people are largely predisposed to think "it can't be that simple" to the point that they keep up this attitude even when it truly is that simple

[proper hull]

can you help me

[flint basin]

!help

[quasi jetty]

Please read #❓how-to-get-help

[ancient violet]

!help

[quasi jetty]

Please read #❓how-to-get-help

[neat lintel]

wow its bold now

[echo tundra]

Given how over worked they are, I'd be surprised if this is true

[peak tide]

fair point!

[little vine]

Idk to survive that line of work I think you have to sorta become really impersonal about other people's bodies

Like you're working on a car

[mint patio]

I HATE thermodynamics and fluids

Most obnoxious fucking subjects ever

Entropy is not real!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Energy is conserved in every frame of reference everywhere all the time!!! Everything everywhere all at once!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Viscosity and turbulence are FAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[neat lintel]

felt

I hate thermodynamics

I had thermodynamics last year and I hated my life LOL

[mint patio]

Like

I took thermo two years ago and it was fine

I didn't enjoy it but the professors did literally everything they could to make it as easy as possible

It was just boring

[neat lintel]

Same

We had CS majors laughing at us

Omg I hate CS majors

[mint patio]

I think I just hate fluids (like the state of matter) lmfao

[neat lintel]

The most unintelligent majors I've ever met

[mint patio]

Solid mechanics is so much freaking easier and intuitive

You don't want to meet the CS majors at my school

[neat lintel]

SAMEEE LOL

[mint patio]

They're split between 70% fobs and 30% incel neckbeard weeb white boys who've never touched grass or deodorant

[neat lintel]

Like they be complaining how hard is calculus like dude have you ever tried real analysis? 💀

[wet mortar]

what's a fob

[mint patio]

freshmen 😭

[mint patio]

Short for "fresh off the boat"

[neat lintel]

No even 3rd year students

They are unreal

[mint patio]

Half the 3rd year students here cheated their way through multivar because it was during COVID time for my grad year

So tehy don't actually know what theyr'e doing

[neat lintel]

I had like a convo between them and they told me that I don't know what a proof means and kept showing me examples from intro to proofs

bro only knows intro to proofs 💀

[mint patio]

All the engineering students I know who know about proofs (excluding professors) only know of HS geometry proofs

[neat lintel]

lol

At least better than cs majors

"The power rule in integration is false because it's not proven"

This line is classic

[flint basin]

what

[wet mortar]

[neat lintel]

No Ryx go back do some cat theory

[mint patio]

Yeah

[latent edge]

I don't approach cs majors in my uni

[wet mortar]

I know some people who did (were doing) cs

[latent edge]

You could tell they haven't showered for a month from the smell

[mint patio]

Yeah...

@neat lintel

Yo

Remind me if I'm doing this right

LMFAO

Here's the diagram

k so

Idk how to find dead state on this let's ignore :D let's do State 1

So I see State 1 is at 20 bar = 2 MPa

So I follow the 2 MPa pressure curve

To be at 240 C we see that the pressure curve has to be inside the saturated area

[flint basin]

i heard engineer

[mint patio]

So I look at my table of saturated steam and find the entropy (the bottom axis) or enthalpy or whatever to find where on the curve I am??

[neat lintel]

Hell no I don't want to think about it 😭

[neat lintel]

yes you did

tbh the math majors in my uni aren't that bad compared to cs students now thinking about it

But the math people here are far better imo

you guys are the best ❣️

[little vine]

Ew science

[neat lintel]

Weren't you a science major?

[latent edge]

This channel is dominated by engineers

[little vine]

Is math a science? Then yes

[mental stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/is-math-related-to-science-neil-de-grasse-tyson-katy-perry-gif-16920903

[burnt dune]

omg i hated this so much

on like how people kept making fun of her

was so small dick energy tbh

[dense belfry]

Math is not a science

It is not the first one

It is the second one but that's an old definition

[neat lintel]

can someone please help me my thing has been unanswered for hours and i cant stop thinking about it lmao

[tepid light]

what is ur pfp

[neat lintel]

the dude from tiktok

hes funny asf

can anyone good at basic integrals help me please i am losing my mind

https://discord.com/channels/268882317391429632/1144742609709977681

[storm sage]

please stop advertising your help channel

especially across multiple channels

[neat lintel]

sorry

im just losing my mind

[storm sage]

plenty of other ppl are too ;-;

[burnt dune]

yea i g

maybe pure math is not a science

but applied math is ig

or idk

who gives a fuck about labels

math is sports drink

[normal zenith]

This is just semantics honestly. Wikipedia gives a good run down of what science means and the arguements over it's meaning (tl;dr: mathematics can be considered a "formal" science like logic or theoretical CS).

Modern science is typically divided into three major branches:[3] natural sciences (e.g., biology, chemistry, and physics), which study the physical world; the social sciences (e.g., economics, psychology, and sociology), which study individuals and societies;[4][5] and the formal sciences (e.g., logic, mathematics, and theoretical computer science), which study formal systems, governed by axioms and rules.[6][7] There is disagreement whether the formal sciences are science disciplines,[8][9][10] because they do not rely on empirical evidence.[11][9] Applied sciences are disciplines that use scientific knowledge for practical purposes, such as in engineering and medicine.[12][13][14]

[jagged forge]

hmm I guess computer science is an interesting example of something that’s not science per the “physical” definition

despite having science in the name

[burnt ledge]

Is too

[neat lintel]

i identify cheeseburger

[granite hound]

Just wasted like 2 hours because I did head maths and thought x^2 + x + 1 was reducable under mod 2

Stupid brain that x+x = x (mod 2) instead of x+x = 0 (mod 2)

[storm sage]

I feel this

[jagged forge]

tbh I don’t get polynomials mod p

[wet mortar]

they're just polynomials over Z/p

[jagged forge]

like x^p=x mod p, but x^(n+p)+x^p+1 is distinct from x^n+x+1

[wet mortar]

ah

if I asked you to define the characteristic polynomial (over a general field)

how would you do that

[jagged forge]

hmmm maybe I see what you’re getting at

just det(tI-A) right

[storm sage]

function ≠ polynomial

x^p = x as functions in Z/pZ but not as polynomials

[wet mortar]

that's not a polynomial it's a function

[jagged forge]

wut

hmmmmm

I mean it seems like you could define it as a formal polynomial

but idk

[fringe summit]

Polynomials are algebraic symbol things, as opposed to functions as predicates or graphs and such

[jagged forge]

yeah I guess I am wondering what’s the difference practically speaking, but maybe daybroken has a point with characteristic polynomials? idk I need to look at it

[wet mortar]

in finite fields

[storm sage]

the difference is what you just noticed, polynomials can be equal as functions but distinct as polynomials

[jagged forge]

I guess you can evaluate polynomials over Z/pZ on things that aren’t elements of Z/pZ

[wet mortar]

there are finitely many functions

but infinitely many polynomials

[fringe summit]

Field extension moment

[storm sage]

So we have a homomorphism going from the space of polynomials to the space of functions

But it's not necessarily an injection

[fringe summit]

Splitting field in question:

[jagged forge]

yeah I get that but like why is it useful is what confused me I guess

[fringe summit]

Or a surjection

[wet mortar]

well for example

the cayley hamilton theorem

[storm sage]

polynomials have additional structure, like you can factor them

[wet mortar]

is about applying the characteristic polynomial of A to A

[storm sage]

they have well-defined degrees

etc

if you treat them as functions, you lose that

[jagged forge]

right, I see now that’s what you were leading me to

[wet mortar]

if we thought of it as just a function

[granite hound]

Well the thing i was working on had to do with whether 2 was a prime in the ring of algebraic integers in Q[root(-3)]

[wet mortar]

then this would be nonsense

so we have to think of it as a polynomial

[granite hound]

Which it wouldn't be if that polynomial i mentioned could be reduced

But it IS

Well not quite, whether (2) is a prime ideal

But w/e

[fringe summit]

Prime ideals in Z*

[wet mortar]

it's funny though we often say the cayley hamilton theorem is nontrivial to prove

but it's actually just about as nontrivial to state properly

i.e. to define the characteristic polynomial as an actual polynomial

[mint patio]

@neat lintel I got it right

Took a little while lol

[neat lintel]

Guys, who knows how to prove a self-adjoint hamaltonian is consistently self-adjoint under a Dirichlet Boundary Condition?

[ancient violet]

Evaluate (-4)raised to be power 3 x (-4) raised to be power 2

[neat lintel]

BRO WTF IS THIS??????????????

THIS IS MY PHYSICS LAB????????????????????

I"M GONNA DIE!

THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE COLLEGE

fee like i'm coloring in a dinosuar right now

[neat lintel]

insane how this could negatively affect my entire future

[storm sage]

😭

I know the feeling

[neat lintel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/833083918160363570/1132840708592635946/9e795990f6e4bb976eb7d3461989cde0.gif

[rapid briar]

Chonker

[glossy crescent]

Bonk

[fathom karma]

hey guys, my school requires me to write an essay for every subject. and for math i was planning on finding the optimal putting strategy of a golf ball using numerical analysis. How challenging or simple would you think itd be? I will have to fill in atleast 12-16 pages

[normal zenith]

Standards slipping (probably to accommodate all the undereducated students from schools that we're flooding our universities w/ w/o bothering to give them so much as a good elementary education first), nothing new and the root problem is still the same if not worse.

Serge Lang mentioned it as a concerning growing problem in his Basic Mathematics (1971) too lol

[deep mango]

serge lang was an idiot

whether or not standards are slipping is irrelevant to research mathematicians (or any research field) where standards are only growing every day

because colleges will take in more students for money - but that doesn't magically increase the number of spots for actual academic positions later down the line

or the quality of employees that industry seeks, in high skill positions

it's becoming more and more difficult to break into these positions of relative scientific authority, because the standards are becoming so intense

[normal zenith]

True, he thought AIDs was fake but so did a lot of homosexuals at the time, I think.

[deep mango]

undergrads publishing original research papers, etc

if anything we should be putting effort into opening up more space in the high skill research world rather than whittling down the number of candidates

[normal zenith]

Sure, but dropping standards definitely doesn't help. The root cause is poor elementary education. Why try to teach them at such a late stage as university? how often does that even produce good researchers (not necessarily my standard for success but it seems to be yours).

[neat lintel]

Why did homosexual think it was fake?

Did it have anything to do with the government doing next to nothing about it?

[normal zenith]

The fact that so many students increasingly need to take remedial classes isn't alarming to you? the idea that resources are going into teaching these kids things they should already know doesn't seem unnecessarily wasteful?

[flint basin]

I can't imagine that many gay people thought AIDS was fake

[normal zenith]

It was a subset of that community. First, I think it's probably a common response to just call something scary fake

Second, it seems to have been more in the early days before all the work people did in spreading awareness. I think some people just kept to it.

third, I think there was an idea that it was just a scare tactic made up by a puritanical health complex to scare people into having more conventionally approved sex.

fourth, I don't want to seem like I'm knowledgable about this topic because I really am not. I just remember hearing about it and Serge Lang just happens to be a high profile denier.

but yeah, that was a complete tangent that had nothing to do w/ my original point

[high pilot]

Why would covering properties of vectors in a physics class negatively impact your entire future?

[neat lintel]

poor grades

[normal zenith]

I think he dislikes the fact that he's covering something he finds simple in a way that's not even rigorous.

[neat lintel]

This is not covering properties of vectors

They are making me draw pretty arrows

I came to learn physics

not attend a art class

I know how to use vectors, why am i being graded for my drawing abilities

[normal zenith]

to be fair the answer is always to just study it yourself at your pace if you have time.

[grim shadow]

Hello I just joined this discord hoping to learn

[neat lintel]

Welcome to the server! I hope you enjoy your time here.

[normal zenith]

Hey man, whatsup. I'm also new and it's pretty cool.

[high pilot]

It’s important to be able to understand the geometric intuitions behind abstract mathematical objects, especially if you are learning it for the first time. Is this part of an introductory physics course? And I don’t think you’re being graded on artistic ability. You’re being graded on translating an abstract object into geometry

[grim shadow]

Yeah just been doing differential equations and was like why not join a math server

[neat lintel]

They are literally deducting points if you mess up with the angle

they are deducting points if you forget to draw the arrow at the end of the lines

[zealous garden]

.

The arrow is important

[grim shadow]

Are you talking about FBD

[zealous garden]

That's how you give orientation

[neat lintel]

Sure

But this is not art class

You can get a gemoetric intuition by just thinking about it

[zealous garden]

Intuition is worthless

Because we would like to be prepared for the non-intuitive cases

[neat lintel]

Nah homie you wrong

Maybe in super advanced math

[zealous garden]

I can't grade you on you using your intuition, because I need to know you can do it the right way, the way that generalizes

[flint basin]

intuition is not worthless

But it is if you don't have the formality to back it up

[neat lintel]

talking about this

[normal zenith]

yeah, that is pretty lazy, not going to lie. Just draw the arrow heads, bro 💀

[neat lintel]

I'm not drawing anything bro

This aint art class

Honestly been thinking about dropping for the past two weeks

This is unbearably stupid

[flint basin]

deal with it

[deep mango]

a line without an arrow is not a vector - how would one distinguish a vector from its negative if not for the arrowhead?

[deep mango]

oftentimes you'll find that classes speed up in difficulty a lot after the first few weeks of people getting comfy. that might happen here

but if you don't expect that to happen, i think it's reasonable to try to take courses that match the level of difficulty you're looking for

i definitely didn't take what people kept telling me to take when i started undergrad

i took what i thought was appropriate, and it was, and i didnt waste time

a lot of college advisors / older college students seem to not trust others to make smart decisions about what they are prepared to learn

[mint patio]

Ryc do you do much actual fluids

Lol

Or is it just setting up some initial context then you get to ignore the physics

Because I'm realizing that fluids and thermo are probably the things I enjoy the least in engineering 😭

[deep mango]

yes

[mint patio]

Thank fuck man

[deep mango]

no actual fluids

idk any actual fluids

[mint patio]

Lucky

[deep mango]

i havent even learned actual fluid dynamics

(im planning on it this fall)

[mint patio]

Oooo

[deep mango]

ive been planning on it for years... we'll see lol

[mint patio]

What level class? Like is it the standard mechE fluids class or an upper level grad one or one for math people orr

[glossy crescent]

Hmm

[deep mango]

grad level

but for applied math / numerics ppl

[haughty apex]

so then is class 1 gonna start with “Let R be a Riemannian manifold…”

[normal zenith]

Depends on the reqs for that class. After a while you can't start every math class with "1+1=2". lol.

The argument is basically over how fast classes should scale for the (average) student and how much time is spent teaching what topics and how these topics are taught (rigorously, intuitively, etc.)

it's much more complicated than any side wants to admit but I think that there are some useful ethics to stick to and encouraging a rigorous ethos which expects the best from students is desirable imo.

[haughty apex]

No I mean I was half joking I just said that cuz ryc said it was a grad class geared toward math students

[normal zenith]

Oh yeah, I realized that you were joking but for some reason I assumed you were using that joke rhetorically in place of an argument to show how silly his argument was as people (myself included) sometimes do.

lol, sorry about that.

[glossy crescent]

bruh

[neat lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/do-you-feel-safe-inside-your-house-gif-23597393

[glossy crescent]

No

I feel endangered

[mint patio]

Interesting

I hope you have fun

[peak tide]

dude is safe unless he chokes on his hamburger

[glossy crescent]

lmao

[mint patio]

I'm sure this actually has some use

for fluids

There's something about vector fields and flows in DG

Dunno the detail though

[glossy crescent]

,tex .rocket trig

what

[neat lintel]

@vale trench I learnt how to derive range equation

[vale trench]

ooh nice, but only range?

[neat lintel]

$$\delta y = \abs{V_i}sin(\theta)t - \frac{1}{2}gt^2$$
$$ 0 = \abs{V_i}sin(\theta)t -\frac{1}{2}gt^2 $$
$$\frac{1}{2}gt^2 = \abs{V_i}sin(\theta)t$$
$$\frac{1}{2}gt = \abs{V_i}sin(\theta)$$
$$ t = \frac{2\abs{V_i}sin(\theta)}{g}$$

[fathom swallow]

᲼

[neat lintel]

$$\delta x = \abs{V_i}cos(\theta)t$$
$$ R = \abs{V_i}cos(\theta)\frac{2\abs{V_i}sin(\theta)}{g}$$

[fathom swallow]

᲼

[neat lintel]

$$2\sin(\theta)cos(\theta) = \sin(2\theta)$$

[fathom swallow]

᲼

[neat lintel]

$$ R = \frac{{\abs{V_i}}^2sin(2\theta)}{g}$$

[fathom swallow]

᲼

[vale trench]

correct

[glossy crescent]

bruh physics

[neat lintel]

Have not watched that video yet :)

[vale trench]

the only one remaining is max height now

[glossy crescent]

,tex .original trig

[fathom swallow]

LE SSERAFIM

[vale trench]

time of flight is included in range derivation

[vale trench]

you cant use that

[neat lintel]

I'm guessing

I would use half of time of flight

[glossy crescent]

,tex .cts

[fathom swallow]

LE SSERAFIM

[neat lintel]

so

it

[glossy crescent]

Why how

[neat lintel]

$$\Delta y = \abs{V_i}sin(\theta)t - \frac{1}{2}gt^2$$

[fathom swallow]

᲼

[vale trench]

need to add it to your preamble

[neat lintel]

$$\Delta y = \abs{V_i}sin(\theta)\frac{2\abs{V_i}sin(\theta)}{g} - \frac{1}{2}g(\frac{2\abs{V_i}sin(\theta)}{g})^2$$
$$\Delta y = \frac{2{\abs{V_i}}^2sin^2(\theta)}{g} - \frac{1}{2}(\frac{4{abs{V_i}}^2sin^2(\theta)}{g})$$

[fathom swallow]

Dyssrupt

[vale trench]

[glossy crescent]

,tex \trigoid

[fathom swallow]

LE SSERAFIM
Compile Error! Click the reaction for more information.
(You may edit your message to recompile.)

[glossy crescent]

?????

Whattt

How you doing this

This is dark magic

[vale trench]

hehe

[vale trench]

.

[glossy crescent]

Teach me sensei

[vale trench]

i refuse

get the green role

and you'll learn yourself

[glossy crescent]

Why green role

That's unfair

hmph

[zealous garden]

Green huh

That would be an interesting power to gain

[glossy crescent]

True

They have op powers

So many permissions

[vale trench]

i have the power of dark magic

[fathom swallow]

Dyssrupt

[vale trench]

[glossy crescent]

TEACH

ME

MAGICIAN

I'll do anything

[vale trench]

start with giving me green

and giving yourself black

[glossy crescent]

Bruh

You're evil

Diabolic

[vale trench]

hahaha

[glossy crescent]

That's racist

Uhhh

갑분싸

[vale trench]

black is muted

,preamble --add \newcommand{}{} here use this

[fathom swallow]

Preamble extension cancelled, your preamble was not modified.

Aug 26, 2023, 6:16 AM

[vale trench]

i am merciful

[zealous garden]

How many times have you asked this

[glossy crescent]

I know

That's why I called you evil

[zealous garden]

<@&268886789983436800>

[glossy crescent]

That was supposed to be a joke

[zealous garden]

Look at message history

[vale trench]

ik it was

[glossy crescent]

Bet

[vale trench]

he's in discussy 1 too

[glossy crescent]

sighs

[vale trench]

oh wait, hes in every channel

[glossy crescent]

Imagine having nothing to do

[zealous garden]

Yes

Anyways I quit for tonight

[rapid briar]

Why is discussion 2 above discussion 1

😂🔥💯😂😂

[forest vale]

I don't know

[robust elbow]

mods had seizure

[forest vale]

hands slipped

[long matrix]

fat fingers

[proven knoll]

when is elon going to remove that block feature

[mint patio]

He can’t

[glossy crescent]

What block feature

[robust adder]

hello

[lament path]

Thoughts on choosing a topic for honours year that will get good grade vs something you enjoy but not as good grade

[neat lintel]

why can't you get a good grade in the thing you enjoy?

[long matrix]

i only enjoy things im bad at

[rocky shuttle]

[glossy crescent]

High res

[neat lintel]

This one

[glossy crescent]

hmphie

numpy

[neat lintel]

!

[neat lintel]

seems legit

[hollow sundial]

@fierce abyss just wanted to apologize. You were right, but it wasn't obvious from your first message.

[fierce abyss]

No it was absolutely normal. It was sudden, I was the only one who can recognize it at that time

Thank you man

[hollow sundial]

Yea I understand your reaction though. Appreciate the explanation and I learned something

[fierce abyss]

Thank you 😊

[long matrix]

quack.

[alpine comet]

Found it in some random discord sv

[neat lintel]

idk if it's doxxing if their information is public

[alpine comet]

U r right, prob not a good idea

Some google and the address checks out

[grim shadow]

Can some explain what taking y’’ creates visually

[neat lintel]

it creates a person who is missing their y''

[neat lintel]

Wha

[storm sage]

smh stop trolling

[storm sage]

You might get better responses if you ask in #calculus or in a help channel (#❓how-to-get-help)

[storm sage]

either stop trolling or at least be more interesting

this is a final warning

[sonic frigate]

LMAOOOO

🤣🤣🤣

[fringe summit]

When troll is unfunny

[hollow kernel]

amog us refrence

[neat lintel]

How do good readers read books?

For a week now, I have been stuck on a single chapter of my physics book.

I read through it twice but still don't seem to be able to solve all of the problems that follow it's chapter

most people don't try to solve every single problem possible

that would just take too much time

you could try reading another book's presentation of the material you're stuck on. no need to hit your head against a wall for a week

[zealous garden]

I'm not a good reader, can't tell you

[neat lintel]

about what?

[zealous garden]

how do good readers read books

[fresh stag]

I have a crippling boba addiction

[neat lintel]

They just read as you chat on discord.

They try to understand what author is trying to say, Now just cram and turn pages like noobs

Hello @dense belfry ,

[dense belfry]

Hello

[neat lintel]

see this ,av @dense belfry

,av @dense belfry

[fathom swallow]

q.uid's Avatar

Click here to view the image.

[dense belfry]

That's me

[neat lintel]

@dense belfry are you really a PhD student? So in which branch of math you are doing your phd?

[dense belfry]

Do you think I'm lying about being a PhD student?

[neat lintel]

I don't know.

[dense belfry]

[jagged forge]

yeah but are you really a PhD student

[neat lintel]

So what branch of math you like the most?

[flint basin]

[dense belfry]

[fringe summit]

the many pings

[neat lintel]

I want some advice regarding math. So I am thinking you are a phd student so you can 🙂

[dense belfry]

I don't really feel like attempting to give advice rn

[fringe summit]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/161658064682876928/877803052738936883/844844015777873920.gif

[neat lintel]

But are you a phd student? Actually what I want to ask is not qualified to be called as 'advice' even though I said

[fringe summit]

[neat lintel]

?

[flint basin]

people don't have to give unsolicited advice you know

[neat lintel]

sorry

[dense belfry]

Leading with questioning something a person says they do is also

[velvet dagger]

Called your bluff Emma

[dense belfry]

Fine I've been lying online for clout for the last 4 years

[neat lintel]

Girls are terrible to handle. None is answering my questions

[fringe summit]

iconic discussy

[velvet dagger]

I... what

[jagged forge]

bro what 💀

that came outta nowhere lmfao

[flint basin]

my guy what

[velvet dagger]

I just need a minute to process

Just what the fuck happened

[neat lintel]

I just said what I experienced. Even in my real life

[jagged forge]

is this like when guys try to flirt and then get rejected and are like “well you’re a bitch anyway”

[neat lintel]

oh @dense belfry

[velvet dagger]

We shall never know

[fringe summit]

https://tenor.com/view/social-credit-social-credit-score-credit-score-score-china-gif-23125701

[velvet dagger]

What lucky meant to say

[flint basin]

shits hilarious

[dense belfry]

What a strange interaction

[jagged forge]

literal comedy

[fringe summit]

the self-own

peak discussy

[jagged forge]

bro I’m literally crying

that was just so outta pocket

[fringe summit]

https://tenor.com/view/wobble-pensive-emoji-pensive-ish-wobblepensive-gif-26167268

another one lost to the wastes

[loud snow]

Twas funny

[loud snow]

This is for the books

[jagged forge]

nah this was just an average day in discussy

[flint basin]

:o he left :(

[velvet dagger]

Not voluntarily

[flint basin]

[loud snow]

Are you really a phd student

Such a classic

[jagged forge]

lmao

[loud snow]

I think the funniest part was him showing the avatar

[jagged forge]

Emma: that’s me

lol

[fringe summit]

The random pings

[jagged forge]

@fringe summit are you a real graduate student

[neat lintel]

Meow

[fringe summit]

No

[jagged forge]

oh

[echo tundra]

bro couldn't believe a woman can have a Maths PhD?

[jagged forge]

I forgot you aren’t lol

not yet

[fringe summit]

(Concurrent masters w/ undergrad)

[neat lintel]

I'm a girl in engineering 😭

[loud snow]

idk if that was assumption

[echo tundra]

but are you

[neat lintel]

Yesh

[jagged forge]

there’s like 3 or 4 girls at my company of 30

[neat lintel]

the discussion channels are so fucking stupid sometimes

You pfp is cute

thanks

[jagged forge]

don’t get too close

[flint basin]

Discussy 2 usually isn't as bad but uhh

[neat lintel]

another good one

Needs some smoooches

[loud snow]

@neat lintel
,av @neat lintel

[neat lintel]

,av

[fathom swallow]

vydrakko's Avatar

Click here to view the image.

[loud snow]

Are you really a phd student?

[neat lintel]

Personal hygiene director student

Yesh

There coming

Hide your balls

[loud snow]

Turd touchers

[loud snow]

Hyenas are nasty 🤮

[neat lintel]

Or hide your pussy ig

hyenas are closer to cats than to dogs

Ew

That opinion is objective

[echo tundra]

sometimes?

[neat lintel]

they ain't stupid when i'm talking math in them

[echo tundra]

I thought being stupid was the universal property of discussy

[loud snow]

Ttepa set em straight

[fringe summit]

@peak tide in here

[fringe summit]

.

[peak tide]

ha, that's ... wtf

[neat lintel]

How long would it take you to finish this book?

[solid snow]

what type of book

[solid snow]

probably 2-3 years

perhaps longer

[mint patio]

That’s a very dense title lol

[jagged forge]

probably use it as a reference even after you’re done. maybe it’s that kind of book

[mint patio]

Yeah

I doubt it’s beautiful

Just dense

[river moon]

idk why would someone decide to write a book containing finite element methods, an entire course of linear algebra, wavelets, quaternions, graphs, affine and projective geometry, modules and exterior algebras

[mint patio]

Wtf

What book is that

LOL

[mint patio]

This?!

[river moon]

this one

[mint patio]

Wild

[rocky shuttle]

Jean Gallier

[echo tundra]

something something advanced maths in ML

[river moon]

no shot you're going to use finite elements method, exterior algebras, modules or projective geometry in machine learning

[echo tundra]

I have seen ricci flow in ML

[loud snow]

You can

Exterior algebras is an easy one

I can give an example

[jagged forge]

exterior algebras for ml?

[loud snow]

Yeah related

If you want to do gradient descent

And you are trying to minimize log likelihood

You can decide to use higher order terms for the derivative portion and this will involve viewing the matrices as tensors but all calculations will ultimately be matrix calculations

Not an exterior algebra example though

[jagged forge]

hmm

[loud snow]

If don’t believe I can point to explicit example in a hw i did

[vocal ruin]

Enlighten numbi

[echo tundra]

https://arxiv.org/abs/2111.14522

[loud snow]

Also maybe fem is used for nearest neighbors?

[river moon]

tensor algorithms are like one of the most advanced topics as far as optimization is concerned if you want to do it efficiently

you can write a paper on just one variant of these

[echo tundra]

@vocal ruin ngl I don't know shit about this but ICL ka hai to sahi hi hoga

[jagged forge]

no i mean that makes sense, ofc you would end up with tensors in that situation

[loud snow]

I dont know how true that is?

A whole paper?

[river moon]

Nesterov does these kinds of things and I can't say I understand a lot of it

[loud snow]

Oh i think i might have read something from him

Nope I havent

[river moon]

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10107-019-01449-1

published: 2019

[loud snow]

The great thing is that this is readable

That’s why I like optimization stuff

Its super accessible

[jagged forge]

I really liked linear programming

and want to do more related optimization problems

[loud snow]

Soon

[vocal ruin]

discussion's dead

[ripe dirge]

No

[vocal ruin]

no?

[ripe dirge]

No.

[forest vale]

no

[echo tundra]

nein

[jovial ember]

no

[forest vale]

no.

[somber musk]

არა

[quasi hornet]

hello there

[vocal ruin]

||the chain is now destroyed||

Hello

[quasi hornet]

shall we go through algebra math

[vocal ruin]

Algebra math

[quasi hornet]

yes

[vocal ruin]

You have a question?

[quasi hornet]

yeh

[vocal ruin]

Share

[quasi hornet]

need know basic algebra

need to know about basic algebra math

do you help ne out

[vocal ruin]

We'll see what we need

Share the question first

[somber musk]

You need a book recommendation?

[quasi hornet]

oh

actually i go through online

would you suggest me 10 gread math book

[vocal ruin]

What kind of basic algebra are you looking for?

Like, manipulations of variables, linear equations, or sth else?

[quasi hornet]

linear would be best for starting

[somber musk]

Plot twist, they meant Jacobson or Knapp

[quasi hornet]

i hope

[vocal ruin]

Hit them with a Lang

Anyways jokes aside

[quasi hornet]

wow gread

[vocal ruin]

What do you know till now?

We can suggest books depending on that

[quasi hornet]

ok

[quasi hornet]

ok

[somber musk]

No I didn't suggest those books, forget the names I said for now

[vocal ruin]

Imagine

And they vanished

Bean, I'm gonna take a nap.
Suggest than again knapp

[somber musk]

I scared them

[vocal ruin]

poetry

[somber musk]

Sleep well

[quasi hornet]

IGCE math b

is this good to start

[vocal ruin]

Ah... Bean's moment to shine

Help the guy, I'm going to knapp

[somber musk]

I don't know what IGCE math b is though

[quasi hornet]

Pearson Edexcel International GCSE Math

the full meaning of this book

maybe you guys are busy

[somber musk]

Uh I think it's better to ask such question in #book-recommendations

[quasi hornet]

ok no problem

oh thank you

so is this bad group for me

[vocal ruin]

The channel is just not for books

[somber musk]

Each channel has its own purpose

[vocal ruin]

The channel bean mentioned should help you

[neat lintel]

IGCE math b is algebra 1 and 2 with some basic trig and geometry

some probability too ig

[quasi hornet]

yeah

[neat lintel]

try to aim towards A levels math

[quasi hornet]

you got the point

[neat lintel]

I never learned probability and stats in GCSE

bothered to learn*

[quasi hornet]

a level is too high for me

[neat lintel]

I meant that you should aim at an area in A level math

[quasi hornet]

oops

[quasi hornet]

got it

[neat lintel]

don't bother with stats and probability if you're interested in algebra or calculus

you can pick it up during A levels

assuming you're self-studying

sorry I missed your initial question

[quasi hornet]

yeah no problem

[neat lintel]

you wanna get good at algebra?

[quasi hornet]

yeah

with selfstudy

but dont the basic of that

kanow*

[quasi hornet]

are you help me about basic of algebra

at gread 10

and from the beginning of algebra

https://tenor.com/view/cry-gif-25866484

[neat lintel]

yeah sure

I used khan academy for that

if you work through all of Algebra 1 & 2 on khan you're set

[glossy crescent]

Khan Academy is goat

[quasi hornet]

much thank you

it is work

[quasi hornet]

got khan academy its really awesome

[neat lintel]

Good morning chat! Are you ready to learn more about the United States Financial markets?

[quasi jetty]

Please read #❓how-to-get-help

[flint basin]

man I need to clean my room more often

[deep mango]

Having a clean room is nice

Making your bed, folding your clothes...

[haughty apex]

Nah nah

[deep mango]

@long matrix

[haughty apex]

I used to clean my room obsessively

but having a few disorderly things around makes your room feel lived in

[flint basin]

I have that Andrew Wiles desk organization

[deep mango]

A few...

Yes, my room is clean except that my desk always get nick nacks all over it

But then i put them away

After a week or two

[jovial ember]

I bet ryc has a bunch of straw everywhere that he takes naps on

[fringe summit]

Real

[deep mango]

But there is one tiny little table in my room that has a bunch of crap on it that idk where to put

Sob

[jovial ember]

Put it in your roommate’s room

[deep mango]

I should just stuff that in a closet

[vocal vessel]

Wait are ryc and ryx the same person?

[haughty apex]

Never do that

I have that closet

[flint basin]

I think it was worse this summer since I just never unpacked some stuff, so I have boxes everywhere

[jovial ember]

Yup

[haughty apex]

It's a pain to get things out of it

[deep mango]

Oh yeah. I always take forever to unpack

[flint basin]

Yup

[deep mango]

So annoying

[long matrix]

[vocal vessel]

Ok so that means no

[deep mango]

Nope

[flint basin]

But I think i just picked up around 300-400 pieces of paper from around my room?

[vocal vessel]

I got confused

[fringe summit]

Mine is a mess too but not that bad

[flint basin]

Mine is really bad

[zealous garden]

T STeppa?

[long matrix]

stepitup

[neat lintel]

What math subjects do i need to learn to understand this

[jagged forge]

calculus and stats/probability theory

[glossy crescent]

Every math

Mathology

[long matrix]

<@&268886789983436800>

link spam

[jagged forge]

your fate is sealed

[zealous garden]

Shuwu, destroyer of worlds

[neat lintel]

<@&268886789983436800> This person is a drug dealer

[long matrix]

@ judge, my opponent link spam

[neat lintel]

I have too many books to read

This is horrible

[glossy crescent]

What kind of books

[neat lintel]

US history
US governments
Fundamentals of Physics
SIE Study Guide
Series 69 study guide
CLP 2
CLP 3
CLP 4
Some statistic textbook
Algorithmic Trading with Python(I will not be using python)
Texas Government
Some liner algebra textbook
Discrete mathematics texbook

[woven whale]

haha 69

funny number

[jagged forge]

linear algebra

[glossy crescent]

Bruh

I like Quadratic Algebra better

[zealous garden]

You're in like

*luck

[glossy crescent]

yay

[jagged forge]

quadratic programming tho

[zealous garden]

Quadratic Algebra is a special case of Bilinear Algebra, is a special case of MultiLinear Algebra

[glossy crescent]

Oooo

[prisma swallow]

Quadratic forms???

[patent sphinx]

anyone has content on multivariable chinese remainder theorem
i need

[fierce abyss]

What do you mean multivariable CRT? CRT is CRT

[neat lintel]

😞

Compensating the underwriters. The spread refers to the difference in
the price at which the bond is purchased by the underwriter and the price at
which it is sold. The spread includes additional takedown, management fee,
selling concession, and underwriting fee.
What does takedown mean in thist context?

They make it seem like takdown is just extra fees

[deep mango]

Conformal Rield Theory

[burnt ledge]

conformal remainder tube

[zealous garden]

Cauchy-Riemann Theory

[neat lintel]

How many people have triple majors?

I'm thinking.
Computer science.
Finance.
Education

[fierce abyss]

Algebraic geometry, algebraic topology, category theory

[flint basin]

the ideal triple major

[fierce abyss]

I think most of them major in at least 6,7 subjects, especially those who study category theory

[flint basin]

always seem to know everything about everything frfr

[zealous garden]

Algebraic Geometry, Geometric Algebra, Differential Algebra, and Differential Geometry.

[neat lintel]

What's better?
Triple major or triple degree?

[zealous garden]

Thirty three degrees

[storm sage]

both are red flags

[flint basin]

none of the above?

[frosty folio]

is it possible to learn math from scratch, im really bad at math and i want to learn it from the start

[final igloo]

I am sad

[static loom]

you can start by following the exercises on khan academy, that should get you up pretty far to things like calculus/linear algebra I think

[neat lintel]

Khan academy or textbooks

[frosty folio]

alright thank u!

is there any textbooks that is recommended for it?

[mortal abyss]

:00 omg thank u so much

[neat lintel]

Understanding Engineering Mathematics
To get an broad overview of what there is to learn

[vestal flicker]

https://artifficialintelligencee.blogspot.com/2023/08/chaos-chronicles-confessions-of.html

[echo tundra]

bruh

[vestal flicker]

please see

https://artifficialintelligencee.blogspot.com/2023/08/chaos-chronicles-confessions-of.htmlhttps://artifficialintelligencee.blogspot.com/2023/08/chaos-chronicles-confessions-of.html

[echo tundra]

can you please not spam the self-promotion link, this is against the server rules

[vestal flicker]

ohk

[tiny tartan]

Weak

[fallow zodiac]

Hello does anyone know about foundation of modern finance programm offered my MIT on edx platform.? I want to ask sometin

Le me know😊

[static trail]

Hi

[next blade]

just ask the question, don't ask to ask

[rapid briar]

Why u ping me 😡 💯🔥😂😡

[frosty folio]

thank u!

[neat lintel]

yo guys it's my first time taking directive i didnt really understand it can someone make it simple and easy for me

[fallow zodiac]

@next blade I want to know does anyone know first

So that he would be able o answer

[next blade]

just ask the question

[static loom]

@fallow zodiac read #❓how-to-get-help and make a question channel

don't ask your question here

[fallow zodiac]

Ok so like how is the difficulty level of program z and I don't have that much strong background in maths z course require single variable cal , linear algebra etc. ...

@static loom ok

[next blade]

Prerequisites:
Basic Probability and Statistics;
Calculus

[fallow zodiac]

@next blade Yeah

[analog hedge]

@lime coral

how bruv

[lime coral]

i explained u

[forest vale]

hi

[frank orchid]

Where can I legally get textbooks as pdfs or epub not some drm kindle or whatever

[surreal sapphire]

for one you can buy them

most sellers will also sell pdf

there are some opensource textbooks

and sometimes universities upload pdfs

[flint basin]

good profs have pdfs of their shit on their website 🙃

[mental stratus]

[flint basin]

Why am I eating my dinner at 2 pm?

[sly flint]

Also, I mean, just pirate 'em.

[sly flint]

That wouldn't count as dinner then would it.

[flint basin]

It is

[sly flint]

Well I didn't know dinner applied to any main meal of the day apparently. Though it was exclusively evening or something.

[flint basin]

I had planned to have this for dinner

But I needed to eat it a bit early

But now I am eating it too early

[sly flint]

Truly a dilemma.

[frank orchid]

That’s illegal

[sly flint]

It's illegal if you get caught.

Plus law enforcement doesn't quite care about piracy of textbooks.

[jagged forge]

if you care about this discord server continuing to exist, plz don’t talk about piracy

it’s in the rules

[sly flint]

Ah. My bad. Thought it only pertained to the actual sharing of pirated content rather than discussion.

[jagged forge]

yeah the rules don’t say you can’t talk about it, but I just checked and mods have asked us even not to talk about piracy before

and talking about it is probably a tricky line

[vast surge]

Oh my god stop being a narc

The mods legally have to crack down on piracy

And that's the only reason they do it

If they don't see it there's no reason at all to mini-mod

[long matrix]

I think we should dissuade discussion of it

just like we report underage users.

[vast surge]

I think discord's TOS should change and we should just pirate

If anything piracy is a moral obligation because fuck the companies trying to gatekeep knowledge for profit

[deep mango]

hey guys can we tone down the piracy talk here

[vast surge]

However, as a result of the discord TOS, I do not do piracy.

[deep mango]

anyway back to my pirated textbook pdf while i listen to music on my pirated spotify client

[vast surge]

For legal reasons that is a legal disclaimer

[remote hornet]

arrrr matey

[deep mango]

i would have made a really good pirate

like

i don't even think this is negotiable

[vast surge]

I already have scurvy

[haughty apex]

which one

[remote hornet]

youre not racist enough

[deep mango]

that part was a lie

[vast surge]

No pirates were actually fairly anti-racist

At least compared to their contemporaries

[haughty apex]

oh booh

[vast surge]

And they had direct democracy and far better worker's rights than the "legitimate" shipping companies

[remote hornet]

ive heard this, but i dont really buy it, also it would depend on the ship

[deep mango]

depends on whether or not you consider kansans a race

[vast surge]

Sure. Specifics may differ than the overall trend

But it wasn't pirates doing the transatlantic slave trade

It was pirates disrupting that shit

[deep mango]

lets see

[vast surge]

Anyway I can now officially leave to eat lunch bye

[deep mango]

man i dont think i have any good math book pdfs on here

[remote hornet]

bye

[bright hill]

it's not pirated sully

[long matrix]

[deep mango]

ok

[bright hill]

that's like saying using ublock origin is "using pirated internet"

[long matrix]

ur face is pirated

[remote hornet]

i pirated lots of books, but honestly, I like holding physical books in my hands so I bought some of them

[bright hill]

the artists still get paid lmao

[deep mango]

no, because ublock origin does not give me "firefox premium"

[bright hill]

wtf is firefox premium?

[deep mango]

it's not a thing

because there's no such thing as a premium web browser

but there is such a thing as premium spotify

[bright hill]

oh

it doesn't give you premium tho

[gaunt quest]

don't speak too soon

[deep mango]

it does...

[bright hill]

it just blocks ads

[remote hornet]

I have firefox developer cause the blue icon looks better than the orange one

[deep mango]

it literally does

[bright hill]

bruh

[deep mango]

ok i dont have any good math books to read

this is dumb

let me find one

[sly flint]

It's literally called "Spotify Premium."

[bright hill]

you're out of the loop lol

[gaunt quest]

you do get other features than ad blocking with premium

[deep mango]

out of the loop

nice

[bright hill]

[deep mango]

yes but lets be honest they're all trash

[long matrix]

spotify sounds pretty L

[bright hill]

tf does premium even give you?

[long matrix]

yt just works init

[bright hill]

high audio quality?

[haughty apex]

no ads

you can download content offline

[sly flint]

Even better, a walkman.

[gaunt quest]

music downloads is good, but like for keeping that behind a paywall

[bright hill]

yea, my 30 bux headphones are definitely catching up on that

[deep mango]

ok, how about i go back to Fourier Analysis by Duoandikoetxea

[haughty apex]

u also get access to unreleased music

[bright hill]

wdym

they can't play ads if you're offline

and ads are basically the only reason you'd buy premium

[gaunt quest]

they don't let you play music offline without premium

wdym

[bright hill]

their whole business model would colapse otherwise lmao

[haughty apex]

then everyone would just play music offline to avoid ads

is what ryq is saying

[gaunt quest]

oh I see

plenty of apps do cached ads

they can just run that

offline = no ads is a thing they could work around if they gave enough of a shit

[deep mango]

time to learn about the T1 Theorem

[gaunt quest]

paywalling downloads is just easier

[bright hill]

oh yea

skips

they give you skips on mobile

[haughty apex]

it would be super easy to make a client that subverts this though

[gaunt quest]

yeah that's dumb

[gaunt quest]

clients that subvert premium already exist

[deep mango]

skips spotify is so stupid

like

idk why it's so popular

[gaunt quest]

I'd consider it a given, they're trying to monetize people who don't care enough to get a custom client

[bright hill]

rockafellar

[haughty apex]

I’m saying that, building the clients I’m talking about would be laughably easy compared to the clients we have now

[bright hill]

wait, do you know any convex analysis?

[gaunt quest]

you realise I block ads on my desktop by editing my hosts file. it's already piss easy

whenever an ad plays, just add that request to a redirect back to localhost

lists online of the servers the app requests from for ads so it's a copy paste job

[haughty apex]

oh and the client doesn’t complain?

[long matrix]

[tame egret]

hello

[gaunt quest]

yeah it just fails to grab any so continues

the barrier of entry is caring at all, but most consumers don't and will listen to ads

[haughty apex]

oh I thought it’d just force you to sit there in silence for 30s

Okay I agree then

[bright hill]

there's an even more unga bunga way

[long matrix]

ur unga bunga

[bright hill]

just make a script closes and reopens spotify

[long matrix]

no that sucks dq

not all of us have infinite ram

[bright hill]

it works!

[long matrix]

thats just fucking unsmart

hows that more unga bunga

[long matrix]

clearly this is the simplest...

[gaunt quest]

from the companies perspective it doesn't matter if it takes a few hours or a few weeks to work around their ads/premium, because once a workaround exists they cannot monetise anyone who would go get them

[bright hill]

unga bunga means caveman bruv

that's what I meant

it's not the most clever but it works lmao

[gaunt quest]

the trick is always balancing inconvenience in using the app with inconvenience doing anything about it, and most people will not lift a finger

[long matrix]

bro its stupid AND requires knowing how to program that script

[gaunt quest]

you copy paste into a file it doesn't need any knowledge

[long matrix]

editing a file is clearly smarter

and more straightforward