serious-discussion

[upbeat shore]

that doesn't make mathematics harder than anything else, that's true of everything

[tight comet]

well being an accountant is easier

I would assume

[upbeat shore]

i don't think being an accountant is easier because you have to eat....

[tiny saddle]

I think what Watson was trying to get at was that mathematicians have less job opportunities as compared to other fields

[upbeat shore]

you can expect get paid a decent amount of money if you have above average skills and training in math even if you really fuck up

i don't think that's true at all

[tight comet]

Well then that splits math into a job-side and a hobby-side

for a lot of people

[upbeat shore]

many people become software engineers/cryptographers/data analysts/weird ai people/quants etc. because they wash out of math, it's a very easy path to take

those are all nice middle-upper middle class jobs in most countries

[upbeat shore]

yes well that's the way life is

if you want to play basketball you have to work hard to not have to split your time between basketball and your job

it's the same with anything else that's fun/any creative pursuit

[tight comet]

at least you're not telling people passionate with bball to get in NBA

That I can respect

[upbeat shore]

Yeah but I would encourage them to practice and play basketball

just like I would encourage someone who's excited about math to read about math and maybe even dabble in reading some current research

[velvet dagger]

What's true about math vs other areas is that if you're not in academia, most other options are something of a pivot. You're not quite using the theorems you learned in your classes and you may need to pick up skills that are math adjacent but not directly math

But when you make that adjustment, your math background will give you mileage

[upbeat shore]

I agree, if you try to become an NBA/College Basketball star you have very few marketable skills if you fail

whereas if you fail in being a math academic I think your life is quite cushy afterwards, you'll almost certainly never go hungry/want for money in the current climate

[tight comet]

Sports coach? generic personality/influencer? It's not that doom

High paid sports coaches are rare but generic sport coaches aren't

[upbeat shore]

succeeding in those fields is a lot higher variance than being a quant/software engineer/etc. and the pay is not very comfortable on the middle-low end of being a sports coach

[tight comet]

People gotta eat, so they do what they do

[upbeat shore]

there are certainly options, my point wasn't that basketball is bad (idk anything about basketball really) but that math is quite safe to pursue

[tight comet]

my initial point bringing in bball is that I don't think it always makes sense to encourage and talk about unrealistic goals, like becoming a math prof, which I think you agree to

The 'do math as a hobby' part is also fine but it does feel like it will lead to 'ok let's do this as a job'

The specific hobbyist -> paid mathematician jump is hard and unrealistic for most I would say

[upbeat shore]

not if you're a teenager

[tight comet]

same as it doesn't make sense for bball enthusiast -> NBA

depends on your current potential I guess

[upbeat shore]

I don't know math academia in general is very big. If your goal is "I want to be some kind of mathematician, I don't care about the quality of the institution I end up working at or the field" I think that's very achievable for people with discipline

[tight comet]

no I think it's also hard

[upbeat shore]

idk, I if anything people like DraK's teachers are pretty good examples that it cant be that hard if you take what he says at face value

[tight comet]

Let's say you don't mind joining University of Illinois Chicago math dept (i'm just naming a non-T20 uni)

[upbeat shore]

that's already a really good math department

[tight comet]

IDK if you can even get in, if for example you were a graduate from Illinois Chicago

[upbeat shore]

I don't know I know plenty of people who went to worse schools than that and got faculty positions at better ones

it really doesn't work the way you think

[tight comet]

wow, how

[upbeat shore]

Most people don't work very hard at mathematics

[rain charm]

The issue @upbeat shore is that there is a lot of nepotism in academia

[tight comet]

maybe my current uni is too prestige pilled

[upbeat shore]

especially if they don't have lots of initial talent

[tight comet]

which fookin sux

[upbeat shore]

I don't think it really works that way in math

beyond a certain point it really only depends on your output

[rain charm]

I know several people who over or under placed in e.g. phd applications because they had better / worse letter writers

[tight comet]

oh fuck UI Chicago has Lawrence Ein

damn

[upbeat shore]

yes I think early on there is a lot of random variance with letters charisma etc.

[rain charm]

and the quality of your letter writers, for better or worse is strongly correlated with the strength of your department

[tight comet]

Sorry I gotta say I don't know the others

[upbeat shore]

but in terms of who gets what job, knowing one person can very rarely swing the outcome

[rain charm]

I agree with this generally, but sometimes you end up in the right place because of one of the little steps along the way and you're introduced to ideas you'd struggle to see otherwise

e.g. let's say you want to do condensed math

If you're at generic grad school X, chances are there aren't going to be many experts who really know the subject

because its relatively new

[tight comet]

Other than Bonn who's really doing Scholze math

[rain charm]

I'm in bonn so my perspective here is a bit skewed

But you get the gist of what I mean @tight comet

[upbeat shore]

I think it certainly helps to get a better education if you want to work in a certain area or work at a specific institution

but we weren't talking about that

[tight comet]

ok this is an interesting take

[upbeat shore]

there are some fields (eg Math GR) which are borderline impossible to work in outside of a certain few unis

but i dont think that's relevant

[rain charm]

Okay that's fair

I do agree with your central point - a lot of these deficits can be overcome with effort, especially since the "competition" often rests moreoften than they probably ought to

[upbeat shore]

yes

I mean from my perspective I identify as very talented and very lazy, but i know many of people who have been successful with seemingly very average levels of ability

[tight comet]

hey I've not really found that

the 'work hard to get where they are' kind

I feel like I'm that now

But I'm at my limit

[upbeat shore]

maybe you're just not as interested in mathematics as you thought you were, but I would say that if you have passion for it you can always push through whatever temporary difficulties you're having

[tight comet]

well true I have other things which do rank higher

[upbeat shore]

i don't know, mathematics is much more "work capped" than it is "skill capped" as are 90% of human activities outside of certain sports etc. where you cant succeed without being a genetic freak

[tight comet]

I'm more lost in those other things

so

[tiny saddle]

Me when I realise that I'm not passionate enough:

[rain charm]

There are some skill caps; different people can effectively work mentally for different numbers of hours per day. e.g. Hardy famously never worked past noon

or maybe 2 I don't recall exactly*

But e.g. erdös worked like 18 hrs/ day

[tight comet]

At least big grand daddy of AG was a hard worker

[upbeat shore]

I don't know it depends. I often work for 12 hours a day for a week and then take 2 weeks doing 2 or fewer hours of "hard work" a day

does that make me a stupid or a smart person? does that support or undermine your point?

[rain charm]

My comment wasn't about smart or not

[upbeat shore]

these things are different for different people, sometimes it's not a skill issue, it's just how those people preferred to work

[rain charm]

It was just a statement about mental energy

If I worked for 18 hrs a day I'd get tired after a few days; I need more sleep than that

[upbeat shore]

Yeah but you're also not jacked up on amphetamines all the time like erdos was

[rain charm]

*that you know of 😛

[upbeat shore]

true lol

[rain charm]

You're of course correct

[woven whale]

wait drugs are the secret to becoming a great mathematician? why did no one tell me that earlier

[tight comet]

Grand daddy of AG wasn't on drugs

[rain charm]

Personally I find that doing a few hours of really productive work a day are enough for me

[upbeat shore]

yes but he was also probably bipolar to some extent. anyway the point is just that some people are really productive working constantly like grothendieck, and others are not.

[tight comet]

Also Serre's still doing math lmaoooooo

[rain charm]

So, in conclusion, our problem is that we're chatting on here instead of working 😛

[neat lintel]

when you say this, do you mean by form or by nature?

[glass iris]

Someone once said he smelled like garlic

[woven whale]

what drug is best for math?

[neat lintel]

coffee

[woven whale]

I have never drunk coffee

I don't like the taste of it

tasted it once

never again

[neat lintel]

you can get caffeine pills

[tiny saddle]

Tea

[woven whale]

does it really make that much of a difference

[glass iris]

I prefer xanax and whiskey

[tiny saddle]

Tea does have caffeine in it

And it isn't necessarily bitter

[neat lintel]

good health

[glass iris]

don't wanna be an asshole

but I don't think thats a drug

[neat lintel]

the term for drugs that enhance cognitive ability is nootropics

so if you wanted more experimental results, that would be where you search

[upbeat shore]

it works for some people and not for others

im very addicted to caffeine but for some people it just makes them jittery and doesn't help

it won't really make you a genius or anything obviously, it might just make you a little more alert/have a little more stamina

[rain charm]

This is my situation; if I drink coffee I get too jittery to work effectively or sleep the night I drank it

[upbeat shore]

i only drink it in the morning

[rain charm]

I’m not sure what you mean by this, can you reword it?

[upbeat shore]

usually it wears off by the evening

[woven whale]

what do I do if I get distracted easily

like really easily

[upbeat shore]

idk go see a therapist and see if there might be something going on? otherwise "be more disciplined" is the only answer really

[tiny saddle]

Well it kinda depends on what u get distracted with/by

[woven whale]

discord

[rain charm]

I’m pretty easily distracted so I just use noise cancelling headphones to play constant rain sounds or brown noise while I work. I often work in places with no one else because movement in my peripheral vision draws my attention

[woven whale]

video games

[tiny saddle]

Lmao relatable tbh

[woven whale]

music

[tiny saddle]

Tried cutting off your Internet?

[rain charm]

Turn off notifications ofc, etc

[glass iris]

but not like, distracted while doing something?

[tiny saddle]

No kidding, I've been considering doing that but I've just been a sissy. Perhaps I actually should give it a go

[woven whale]

like I'm tryna focus on this problem and then I think to myself "oh why don't I go check discussy on the math server"

[tiny saddle]

LMAO SAME

[rain charm]

If I’m trying to read I essentially have to look at a uniformly colored wall as my background.

It kinda sucks but that’s what it takes for me 🤷‍♂️

[glass iris]

I usually go to a library and use their computers without any of my stuff in it

[noble night]

Brown noise? Thats the worse noise

[rain charm]

I find the high pitched frequencies in e.g. white noise to be grating

[neat lintel]

by nature, i mean it is limited to their genetics
and by form, i mean it is a product of their choices and circumstances

form would encompass things like diet, sleep, work, environment, upbringing, etc.

[noble night]

There is an urban legend about brown noise making people want to poop

[woven whale]

lmao

[noble night]

Thought this was important to share

[woven whale]

very important indeed

[rain charm]

I’d say a mix then? Certainly things like diet will effect your mental energy. But like all human characteristics there is probably some spectrum and it’s potentially advantageous to have more. For example, I had a hormone condition some time back and it left me chronically fatigued. It made doing mental work difficult because I struggled not to fall asleep. If I drank coffee I’d get to jittery and hypersensitive to stimuli. I had to give up reading traditionally (and as my messages probably indicate I still have little success with it honestly) and spend most of my time doing math more actively, read definitions and theorems, put the book away, walk around and try to prove them etc.

But it was bad, I was sleeping like 12 hours a day for a long while

[tiny saddle]

Quite ironic for me to be commenting on this since I myself am victim of such an issue. But some ideas I had/have tried/am trying would be to, for one thing, install an app that tracks your app usage. Kinda like parental controls except u manage yourself and reflect on how well you've been performing.

Other stuff include logging out of discord, changing the environment in accordance to what I need, smth like keeping the devices out of the room where u study, yknow? Stuff like that

[woven whale]

that's not normal?

bro I sleep like 14-16 hours sometimes

[neat lintel]

what condition did you have?

[rain charm]

Every day?

[woven whale]

occasionally

like 2 times a week

[glass iris]

interesting, the word intelligence quotient is banned

[woven whale]

also this is unrelated but I wanna share this W

https://streamable.com/yj1u1y

[dapper badge]

video games

[woven whale]

had a team kill there

[tiny saddle]

Lmao

[neat lintel]

do u stay up for extended periods of times? how is that possible

[tiny saddle]

Well, I know of someone with a heart condition which occasionally causes them to sleep for.... literally a day and a few hours

[neat lintel]

wow

do they know when it will happen? or does it just appear out of nowhere

[rain charm]

It was a mix of mental health being born (and currently identifying as) male but had a severe testosterone deficiency and inflated estrogen levels - but not inflated enough to compensate for my testosterone deficiency.

[tiny saddle]

Well, from what they experience, its kinda like their heart would go really fast, they get tired, feel dizzy and faint before they just lie on the bed and black out.

[noble night]

I miss the the simpler times when there was like 3 tanks to choose from

[rain charm]

But as I improved my condition my mental health and energy levels both improved dramatically

[wanton geyser]

Does anyone have any experience tutoring students? I want to start, probably A level Maths/Further maths (UK) and the US equivalent (precalc?). Do I just start finding tutoring students to teach?

[noble night]

Isnt there some uber-like web site or app for connecting tutors and students? I feel like this should be a thing

[wanton geyser]

Whats the level of maths education before people do university maths in the US?

[rain charm]

Extremely varied is the correct answer

[jade crane]

Based username

[jovial ember]

occasionally
2 times a week

Bro that ain’t occasionally!

[chilly hull]

illum irl

[woven whale]

why are you responding to that but not my big W rizz moment in overwatch

https://tenor.com/view/rock-one-eyebrow-raised-rock-staring-the-rock-gif-22113367

[jovial ember]

didn't watch

[trim crescent]

Not sure if this is the right forum for this but I had this thought about spaces today and wanted
to know if this type of space / this line of thinking has more formal definitions.
Consider a 2D sheet. When we reach the right of the sheet travelling to the right we return
to the left side of the sheet. Like a cylinder topology.
| ->| |-> |
| | | |
| | | |
However if we travel leftwards to the
left of the sheet we get inverted like some mobius strip.
|<- | | |
| | | |
| | | <-|
Is there a name for this class of space?

[lunar panther]

Hey people, did you see that on Monday it’s gonna be Dr. Strang’s last lecture?

[leaden torrent]

so this probably wouldnt be called a "space" since spaces have a consistent geometry

like they arent encoded with a notion of "travelling along a line", instead those things are determined by the metric

you could probably try to formally define something like this, but im unaware of attempts to do so

[outer obsidian]

dis is called not space but called

[dreamy ridge]

Hi friends

[subtle oxide]

pls prove pitagoers theorem i need it

[copper gust]

Can I get a question to solve

[lofty geyser]

Here is a question to solve:

Let n, k be positive integers. Find solutions to the equation:

1ᵏ + 2ᵏ + ... + nᵏ = (n + 1)ᵏ

e.g 1¹ + 2¹ = 3¹

What other solutions are there?

[torn willow]

That's all

[worn garnet]

I feel like the pandemic I lucked out

[subtle oxide]

solve this :
a,b not 0
a x b x ab = bbb

HELP

[tiny saddle]

1

[neat lintel]

lol

[rocky shuttle]

x = ±sqrt(b/a^2)

[subtle oxide]

HELP ME

[neat lintel]

?

literally a=b=1

[subtle oxide]

bruh
ab: a is ten, b is one
ab is a number have 2 digits
and bbb is a number have 3 digits
example :
a=7, b=2
a x b x ab = 7 x 2 x 72
GOT IT?
HELP

[neat lintel]

oh i thought it was just nmultiplication

[subtle oxide]

BUT HELP ME

5 MINUTES LEFT

MY TEACHER IS ANGRY

PLS

[tiny saddle]

bruh

no one likes to help someone who screams at others ._.

[trim sparrow]

Hey guys, i have a question that's not math but related to math in some ways, i always try to make sense every equation that i learn which sometimes require some proof, for example i have a hard time learning physics since its hard to get or even understand the proof since physics derived from more sophisticated equations than what you learned in high school, it makes me stuck in my study since the prerequisites for some topics are not learned in high school too, is there any way to fix this?

[untold dune]

You have a hard time learning physics because for equation you are shown, you need to FULLY understand the equation in order for your brain to accept it, this requires more advanced math that you don't understand as well. Am I understanding this correctly?

@trim sparrow

[trim sparrow]

Yes

[untold dune]

You get questions that require said equation to solve. Do you need to understand the equation fully (as you said, proofs) in order to solve the question? @trim sparrow

[trim sparrow]

Sorry for the late answer, but if its just basic arithmetic without variables i dont need any proof

[untold dune]

What have tried to solve your problem?

[trim sparrow]

I read proof and learn the prerequisites but it takes a lot of time

[untold dune]

You can keep asking why and how with any topic in the world. Keep asking long enough and you'll have topics presented to you that are way out of your league at the moment (in this case proofs). I assume your goal is to pass a test. Accept that you don't fully understand why an equation works but keep doing practise problems with it and you will become better at using said equation or idea. This situation reminds me a lot of the black box concept. Look it up on wikipedia or watch some videos on it. I believe it'll help you with your issue

[trim sparrow]

I can see how this'll help in some cases, but doesnt this create more equations to practice?

And i always worry that in some way i might forget about the equation, while if i understand the concept i can start over from scratch with the idea

[tranquil nacelle]

a lot of it boils down to empirical methods which given your situation isn't that important. Once u get hold of equations and stuff, you can come back to how it was originally derived, u can skip the "understanding the origins" part and after you are thoroughly done with the topic, you then learn proofs and all

[tranquil nacelle]

and if it is a test, then it isn't feasible or advisable to reproduce everything from scratch...remember one golden formula from which you can derive other things

[trim sparrow]

But sometimes i came across some problems that do need the understanding, like for example one time when i practice for linear transformation which explained poorly by the textbook i used, i use my understanding of matrix that i learn from 3blue1brown

[tranquil nacelle]

y know these sorts of things come from experience, where, when and how much time to spend on what topic. Try to skip it and see if u can still make progess, and if you feel like you can't make any progress without understanding that very core piece then refer back

and sometimes it's better to blindly believe that "X thing work that way" and after you made significant progress, you can refer back how exactly X worked, this technique saved a lot of my time + i understood it better than if i had referred it initially in the phase

[trim sparrow]

Im kinda dumb, i question things a lot, this makes me require that very core all the time, i even try imagining it

What worry me for not understanding the core is like famous E = mc² which said its more than described in the equation, especially physics where sometimes variable matters and sometimes they can be neglected

[tranquil nacelle]

questioning is a good thing, I too had the bad habit of obsessing over things I didn't understand, but just let it go for a while, (this really seems counterintuitive) you still can make progress even if you don't fully understand the core or origins. You just have to be comfortable enough to deal with variables, formula and all that.

[trim sparrow]

Even if it costs some flexibility?

[tranquil nacelle]

if you are result oriented like me than, follow as what i said, otherwise you would waste a lot of time in unimportant things, you can obsess over these things in your free time

[tranquil nacelle]

yea

[trim sparrow]

Ok i'll try it out, but how to determine if an equation is the one uses to derived other?

[tranquil nacelle]

you start to get it on your own...fiddle around with it for a while

dw

[trim sparrow]

And i realized some degree of understanding still required like for maximum/minimum local point of a function you need some understanding in calculus

Which there is some option like using the equation which requires memorization of said equation or learn some calculus then i dont need to memorize the equation, which one is better for this problem?

[upbeat shore]

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[hollow kestrel]

[neat lintel]

Free Stanford class on how to learn math:

https://online.stanford.edu/courses/gse-yeduc115-s-how-learn-math-students

[neon tundra]

Don't spam.

[neat lintel]

How is this Spam?

[compact tartan]

you don't need to post this in every channel

[neat lintel]

its a useful resource for people who want to learn math

yes but not everyone goes into every room and the discussions move so fast that i wanted as many people to see the resource, but OKAY

I wont share the resources here

[compact tartan]

"here have it" is not a good way to share a resource

[neat lintel]

i never said here have it

and you can choose to share YOUR resources however YOU want to. i share mine very straight forward sometimes.

[neat lintel]

lol, you must have reported me sharing it or something since you saw it come up on more than one discussion. SMH... so trivial, pathetic, & petty if so. Cant even share a useful resource without a random whoever wanting to control HOW you do it. lsmh ... let me get tf offline bc you just reminded me of how lame people can be online for literally no sound reason at all.

[compact tartan]

reported? I own this server

[neat lintel]

LOL

[wet geyser]

Most public servers don't allow posting the same links in every channel ! I would assume you can tell the mods if you can post the useful links in any resource channel so everyone can find it easily rather than it getting buried in an unrelated channel 🏃‍♀️

[neat lintel]

ok gamers

wrong channel

[woven whale]

https://tenor.com/view/el-momento-del-mogus-amog-mogus-el-momento-gif-22890012

[neat lintel]

[fading moon]

Asking for a friend, he's doing a math major
his university offers several double degree programs, he's interested in the economics double degree, the software engineering double degree and philosophy double degree program, which one should he choose?

will economics double degree be very helpful for making money?

[little vine]

I'm not sure how much of an applied discipline economics actually is, versus say finance. There might be better options for a financial math focus.

@fading moon in terms of making money, that is

[fading moon]

which one would you choose?

[little vine]

Software engineering myself. I like to code. I'm interested in financial math too but economics seems too soft science and boring. Philosophy would be cool but you can always study that on your own

[fading moon]

Thank you, I see

that's a very rational answer

[little vine]

That is my opinion

[south kelp]

Software engineering eziest money out of the 3

I will say tho

Economics can use a looooooooot of math

[fading moon]

I thought economics could make money

[neat lintel]

can, usually don't

[fading moon]

but it seems my view is too naive

[fading moon]

yeah those multi-variate regressions

some of the skills I even dont know yet

[neat lintel]

they use multi calc at best

[south kelp]

Goes way beyond that

At least at the graduate level

[neat lintel]

Ik econometrics uses some advanced stats

[fading moon]

I remember there are a lot of multivariate regressions
but that's just my vague impression

[south kelp]

At the undergrad level I'll admit at most schools it'll be very soft :/

[neat lintel]

why would they go to grad school if they want to make money

[fading moon]

what can a economics double degree do if anyone knows?

[neat lintel]

[neat lintel]

double with what?

it goes well with maths

[fading moon]

double with math, current major

[south kelp]

no im just saying economics can use a lot of math

[neat lintel]

thank you for this explanation, however I did not post it on every channel. I posted it to three related channels. I did not see a rule that says to not do that, but I will definitely keep your comment in mind going forward.

[neat lintel]

And yet your comment to me was how my posting was rude. you did not explain that there is a rule regarding how to post useful resources so I just posted it in the three related channels that made the most sense to do that in.

Since you own the channel and dont want me to post a link in a rude way, it would have been nice to also have been interacted with in a non-rude way. Its a really useful trait of a leader to be the example they wish to see in the world.

Im sure you believe you can do whatever since you own the server, therefore dont expect to perceive niceties when you yourself are not exemplifying them jn your own communicative abilities.

However, thanks to someone else's explanation I will refrain from posting any further useful resources for those interested in mathematics.

be well. ✌🏾

[covert aspen]

yo mama

[woven whale]

you need to learn how the internet works

[neat lintel]

Please explain.

[slow arch]

Stop crying

[neat lintel]

Also the internet or Discord? I know exactly how the internet works.

[neat lintel]

No tears over here baby.

[slow arch]

You still crying

Baby aby

Let me find your mommy

[neat lintel]

Show me my tears, lol

[slow arch]

Little baby have dirty diaper

Oh no

Don't cry

where is mommy?

Anyone know who this baby's mother is

[neat lintel]

i could probably be your mom, lol

im sure im old enough lol

[slow arch]

So stinky

Why baby smell bad

[peak tide]

i thought discord had a "must be at least 13" rule

[slow arch]

Just don't spam the same link in three different channels

simple as

[neat lintel]

you must own the server too huh? 😂

[slow arch]

also don

don't behave like a baby

[neat lintel]

Please explain.

[slow arch]

You cried about being reported just because someone told you to stop

Literally no one reported you, you just made it up

you seem to have a victim mentality

[neat lintel]

Because I responded you see that as crying. interesting .

sounds like a personal problem to me

She cleared it up though. She owns the server. lol

[slow arch]

baby still repeating everything mommy says

Them owning the server doesn't matter

[neat lintel]

Who is?

[slow arch]

If they're doing dumb shit as the owner they should be called out

but they're not

[neat lintel]

Because I wont be quiet?

[slow arch]

You spammed a link in three different channels and cried about someone telling you to stop

[neat lintel]

Lol okay

Bless your heart

Be well Anteros 🙂

[woven whale]

she?

[slow arch]

pink name = she ( i might be color blind ) || they are he/him tho||

[neat lintel]

yes i assumed a gender. if im wrong im wrong. if im right im right.

[alpine kindle]

he literally has the "he/him" pronoun role

[tiny saddle]

Lmao

[slow arch]

I have to make an essay to enter honors college...

The prompt was "If you could change one thing about the world, what would it be?"

I thought about doing empathy as my topic

but at this point my topic is probably gonna be about essays and how **$@$ stupid they are as requirements for scholarships and honours college

[fathom swallow]

Anteros

[slow arch]

I literally have a 4.0 GPA. why do i need to write to you about how I wish we could poop out of pee holes

agghhhhh

[young ocean]

man

Im a 9th grader and dont understand shit in this channel but i want to

do yall have any recomendations for me to learn

like videos or smthng

In my school we learn math but i feel like we are going too slow, and i want to learn faster, so that it can later be easier for me and i can focus on other stuff instead of math, bc usually if everything is explained to me i understand it

and i barely forget

if anyone replies to me pls ping

[little vine]

@young ocean maybe start learning from Khan Academy? It'll take you up through differential equations.

Linear algebra too

[young ocean]

here?

oops

damn i cant upload a file

Khan academy free online courses, lessons & practice?

Ill look into it, thanks

[bold turtle]

if x^2 + y^2 = r^2 graphs a circle's perimeter, what can sort of graph a square's perimeter? (yeah with an infinite slope on each ({pm}s)/2 side)

a square rotated 45 degrees could sort of be the abs value equation with a minus plus attached to it

[river moon]

|x| + |y| = r and lim |x|^p + |y|^p as p -> +infinity = r

[bold turtle]

how do I do limits on desmos

it has the lim arrow thing so im guessing some usage exists

[river moon]

you don't

you just vary the parameter p manually

[bold turtle]

also beautiful first function, i had to do (y)^2 = (abs(x) - (r/2)) + 0^(x + r/2) + 0^(-x + r/2) to graph a similar square

when I use p to vary, it looks so beautiful

also as p approaches infinity the shape does indeed become a square

amazing

i love it

abs can also be defined as (x^2)^0.5

so ((x^2)^0.5)^p would be (x^2)^0.5p

as p approaches 0
(x^2)^0 + (y^2)^0 = 1 + 1 = r

wait no

[sand gorge]

Hello!

[neat lintel]

hi ❤️ 😻 ❤️‍🔥

[sand gorge]

Hotaro what are you gonna do in ur vacations

[neat lintel]

I'm trying to figure that out

[sand gorge]

Makes sense

[neat lintel]

I was so into academics this semester I forgot what having a life outside of it is

[neat lintel]

hi

[sand gorge]

Oh this is

Discussion-2

That's why it's dead

[neat lintel]

aight

[sand gorge]

Hi raging griffin

[neat lintel]

hello

[sand gorge]

[neat lintel]

orange cat

[neat lintel]

Girl I don't even know what that means, lol.

[rich rapids]

do u guys use flashcards when studying?

i was wondering if there is some kind of database of flashcards for like graduate courses

i made a flashcard app that fits my needs. its almost done. as for the actual flashcards, will have to slowly build up my database, but if there are some pre-existing ones that i can quickly populate my app with, it would be awesome.

[clever star]

Why not use Anki?

Yes, I use them heavily.

[rich rapids]

anki didnt look great to me

also i was itching to learn how to make simple apps. so

@clever star can u share ur cards

[storm sage]

Anki is quite good

I use it for learning languages

[south kraken]

@rich rapids sorry for the @, but i’m actually making a flash card app for my coursework, what are you building urs on?

[dreamy ore]

can someone explain this for me

i am too small brain

[bright hill]

it means he has the "he/him" role which indicates he prefers those pronouns

the same way you have the "she/her" role

you can also tell by the badge next to your name

[bright hill]

anki

which language are you learning?

I love how anki was originally created for the devs to learn japanese only to end up being abused the shit out of by med students

[inner canopy]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isomorphism_theorems#Theorem_A_(groups)

[dreamy ore]

thanks but this just made me more confused :(

[low solar]

I'm using the quotient rule to differentiate some functions and it's fine. But on the examples they proceed to use square brackets to simplify the expression. I don't understand why or how this is happening.

I'm getting to some fractions with the top have a few sets of brackets with x functions but then they switch up some powers n tha and there's square brackets and I don't understand

[storm sage]

Somewhere between Chinese, Spanish, and Zulu

[bright hill]

so uh

arabic?

[storm sage]

Good idea!

[bright hill]

[zealous garden]

waaahhh? green-leaf darq?

[bright hill]

I was on a hiatus

I might leave again actually

I have important exams coming up

[zealous garden]

wew

sounds like its getting real

[storm sage]

we love you darq

[teal lion]

Hi

[woven whale]

hi

[teal lion]

hi 2

hi 3: the return of hello

[woven whale]

how are you doing project

[rich rapids]

android studio

kotlin

[eager stag]

that anki thing really doesn't seem like it's made for the phone🤔

[rich rapids]

probably means that the blue curve looks smooth

[haughty lintel]

just curious, do you make your own sets. or do you find them online (and if you do how)?

[storm sage]

I make my own

[long matrix]

<@&268886789983436800>

[tiny saddle]

aw man, he had a chad pfp!

[inner canopy]

that is scary

[split pawn]

The mods didnt delete the message tho. Everyone still gonna dm 😐

[normal sluice]

Ok, I know I may be reading too much into this, but I asked for a reference for masters from my supervisor yesterday night, and he submitted it by now (11am the next day) is this a good or bad sign lmao it feels way too speedy

[sturdy harbor]

<@&268886789983436800> could you please check @devout cedar

[compact tartan]

what about them

ok I see

[sturdy harbor]

#help-3 I pinged you there, insult, playing dumb, seems like didn't read rules

Thanks

[uncut socket]

@urban island Message modmail if you think it's a problem with that user (include their name), mods will make a decision on to ban or just mute them

[urban island]

Honestly I used to just ping the mod role lmfao

[uncut socket]

If it's not serious enough, just message modmail, and one of the mods will investigate. Like that level of trolling isn't serious enough to ping mods. If they were spamming in every channel, some random trollish math question, then that's pingable, but they just posted in two channels so far

[urban island]

Alr

[zenith terrace]

x = {1,2,3} ;A = {1,{1,2},{{1,2,3}}}
is X subset of A?
can u answere this guys?
and what are the power set?

[neat lintel]

Hello

.

[solid snow]

x is not a subset of A

[neat lintel]

Power set for a set 'A' is defined as the set of all possible subsets of the set 'A'

[neat lintel]

The power set of X = {1, 2, 3} is:
{{}, {1}, {2}, {3}, {1, 2}, {1, 3}, {2, 3}, {1, 2, 3}}

[tight comet]

!help

[quasi jetty]

Please read #❓how-to-get-help

[wide ivy]

plz jelp me

help

[wet berry]

Please read #❓how-to-get-help

[neat lintel]

jelp her bro 💀

[wide ivy]

no one is

[neat lintel]

just go to help channel and ask

[wide ivy]

can u

[neat lintel]

im not that good

[wet berry]

Help with what anyways

[wide ivy]

anyone who hellp me is mean

bc i’m slow

with domain and range graph

blah blah

like bruh this one dude was bullying me

[tiny saddle]

It's just- I'm getting more and more unsure as to what I'm doing?

On one hand, I was telling myself "just stick to Khan Academy and finish all the content in it before moving on to books"

But at the same time, I'm having difficulties extracting the important courses in KA. Some just feel too easy, others too hard. I'm unable to nail down what exactly I should be learning on KA. Furthermore, as someone who's more of a books lover, I'd prefer diving straight into some discrete maths/calculus books. But.... I just have this uneasy feeling of "I don't have the fundamentals ready". Any.... suggestions of sorts?

[neat lintel]

keep with the great content

[tight comet]

Post in #advanced-lounge

[wide ivy]

chuckles sorry it’s so long 🤓🔥😂😂😂😂

[tight comet]

<@&268886789983436800> Bard response.

[wide ivy]

bard? my son bard😂😂😂😂💯💯

[leaden torrent]

@wide ivy dont spam us with AI generated shit

only warning.

[wide ivy]

alright i’ll stop i’ve learned my lesson….

[tall badge]

saying youll stop after doing it again doesnt make it ok. come back in 24h

[tiny saddle]

mb, should have expected such responses and asked in a more appropriate channel. I'll send it in advanced lounge when the discussion there's over

[lean moss]

Hi! I'm curious if anyone here attended Hampshire college Summer Studies in Mathematics (HCSSiM) and if so, if I can ask that person some questions about it

[solar hawk]

X is a subset of A, if all x in X are in A

3 is not in A

not a subset

a power set is all of the subsets of a set

(i use P(..) to denote a power set btw)
P(X) = {a : a is a subset of X}

$|P(X)| = 2^{|X|}$

[fathom swallow]

amukh1

[solar hawk]

:D hope dat help

$$|P(X)| = \sum_{k=0}^{|X|} \frac{|X|!}{k!(n-k)!} = 2^{|X|}$$

[wet berry]

Btw X is an element of A but not a subset

[fathom swallow]

amukh1

[solar hawk]

${X} \in A \implies X,{X} \not\subseteq A, \text{ because } X,{X} \not \in P(A)$

[zenith terrace]

Why do u say X Is an element of A

[solar hawk]

wait, X is not an element of A

[zenith terrace]

I think so

[solar hawk]

{X} is an element of A not X

[wet berry]

Yeah ig

[solar hawk]

tf

[fathom swallow]

amukh1

[wet berry]

They added an extra bracket there for that reason alone 😂

[solar hawk]

lol

[zenith terrace]

Okay, thanks for all ur participatiion

[solar hawk]

im bored af lol too bad this ended :(

Holy shit

It’s all wrong

[karmic solar]

Heeyeeyeee. Wanted to ask a really open question about a link between category theory and the buddhist idea of non-self. The basic notion (as far as I understand it, which isnt much) is that there is no unchanging part of self that you can ascribe the quality of "atman" or "observer". This quality being the basis of self means that you can't or perhaps shouldn't try to find what is "atman".
For me, a parallel emerges with the basic mechanisms of Category Theory. That is you don't look deeply into the objects of your Categories while operating inside the language of category theory. The theorems and definitions of CT focus on the relations between objects, and from that can ascribe certain qualities to those objects.

So thats the jist of it. If anyone has any insight or corrections on this, please lemmino. I think this deals with math/philosophy more than it does religion, but if yall think this topic doesnt fit here, I have another more concrete and purely CT question.

Im trying to find any articles on this, but even ncatlab seems lacking

[alpine kindle]

i feel like you're misunderstanding buddhism

[torn willow]

I think non self is like "Self doesn't stay consistent or even remain the same across reincarnations or even during life"

Well more like Soul than Self

Literally no way it can related to CT, lmao

[bright hill]

even ncatlab seems lacking
LOLLLL

if this is a shitpost, this fucking gold

[tiny saddle]

elo hoomans

[split pawn]

hi kiameimoniensis

[torpid wedge]

Does anyone have a quizlet plus account I can use

[tiny saddle]

nani

[karmic solar]

Seeing as there are full articles on religious philosphy and history of philosophy on there, something like this isnt far fetched. I agree this link is a shot in the dark. Thought maybe someone here might have had a similar thought and explored it before me.

[soft mango]

?

[modern hamlet]

hey

[regal night]

Hello, new member.

[modern hamlet]

thanks.

So What is the topic?

[solar hawk]

Wdym

[modern hamlet]

Now, what about are you discussing?

[neat lintel]

gore 💀

[modern hamlet]

gore? I don't understand..

[vivid halo]

are you on drugs

[woven whale]

ng coming in with the real question

[neat lintel]

gore is bloody stuff

[modern hamlet]

So I am bloody stuff?

[neat lintel]

no

i meant

we are talking about

bloody stuff

[modern hamlet]

Oh... I am sorry.

[neat lintel]

yea np

wanna be friends

[modern hamlet]

Ok

[neat lintel]

are you new to discord?

[modern hamlet]

yes

[bright hill]

[rocky shuttle]

[west vigil]

Hello people

!!!!!!

[deep mango]

are you new to discord? wanna be friends

[neat lintel]

ahahhahaa very funny

it had me on the floor laughing

[deep mango]

:(

[neat lintel]

:(

[neat lintel]

i cant understand why you tryna be rude

[deep mango]

@rocky shuttle where are you i wanna troll you :(

[rocky shuttle]

Hi all! I'm new to the server. My name is ranya kumoschalkboard but you can call me RYC for short (pronounced "reek"). I love egg bagels, four cheese pasta, and taking short walks by the beach. Excited to meet you all!

You already trolled everyone

[deep mango]

I'm soery, I dont mean to be rude

I was just inspired on a new way to get revenge on zanarcane

[fair mural]

ryc do you wanna be friends uwu

[rocky shuttle]

[deep mango]

Nopey nope

[neat lintel]

yea you were just trying to make fun of me

[deep mango]

I want to be enemies

[rocky shuttle]

When did I ever do something bad to you

[fair mural]

oh the misery

[deep mango]

Rycheese factory

[rocky shuttle]

That's a good thing!

uncle rychef

[deep mango]

[bright hill]

tbf, I would've made fun of you too

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[deep mango]

Hey darq wanna be frie- nvm i cant follow through on that

[neat lintel]

yea do it

[bright hill]

uh

do you want to be friends, question mark?

[neat lintel]

ofc darling

and we would double suicide together

[rocky shuttle]

[bright hill]

[neat lintel]

it would be painless

[bright hill]

I would rather not

thanks tho

ig?

[neat lintel]

im always here for you pumpkin

[bright hill]

this is too weird

even by my standards

[neat lintel]

you said you wanna be friends

[bright hill]

I'm outta here

[neat lintel]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

you gotta accept

your fate

@deep mango wannna join us

bestie for the restie

[deep mango]

[solid snow]

Green leaves never cease to be extremely strange and low quality

[neat lintel]

a tripple suicide

[neat lintel]

ok, ig?

[neat lintel]

you are high quality bro

@solid snow wanna join us too?

in our suicide mission

[woven whale]

GLS

green leaf syndrome

[leaden torrent]

Imagine pinging a dude for 3 messages in a row

[tiny saddle]

[split pawn]

Agh so someone did get muted.

I expected it to happen anyway

[safe zealot]

does anyone have suggestions to where i could go to college to get a phd in aerospace engineering? im having a really hard time picking (please try to keep college suggestions in the U.S., but i am open to studying abroad)

[solid snow]

First, check your state’s universities’ aerospace programs. Are they good? Affordable? Connected with industry, etc. .

[safe zealot]

my state doesn't even have an aerospace program

[solid snow]

0_0

Not a single uni offers aerospace engineering as a major?

[safe zealot]

nope

im double checking right now tho

just in case

[solid snow]

Ye

[safe zealot]

yeah there's nothing

they have basic engineering graduate programs, but that's it

[untold sage]

Aerospace seems like something you would specialize in upper years

[safe zealot]

yeah, im trying to get my grad and undergrad work in the same university, but i dont think that's gonna happen

[solid snow]

Damn

My second best suggestion is to check some sort of rankings list and consider cost / chances of getting in

[vale skiff]

Guys

[craggy gust]

UIUC has an aerospace engineering undergrad and graduate program

[wooden flax]

How can you know when picking classes when office hours are

So you dont have another class overlapping with a different class' officer hours

[split island]

You don't! Usually

However, some classes if they're smaller will hopefully have some sort of scheduling the first week or two of the semester

Larger classes hopefully will have enough that it's not a big deal

[barren anchor]

yeah maybe pick a place that's near where you want to retire too

[wooden flax]

what qualifies as ``small'' here?

like, a class is 23 ppl

[split island]

Yeah

Anything that takes place in a normal sized classroom

[wooden flax]

nice nice

also, today i realized that college counselors are 10000x better than high school counselors

[mental stratus]

noone

don't you dare

[tiny saddle]

I feel a bit screwed- by functions. Apparently functions aren't really covered in detail in spivak's calculus, and I'm worried that I lack the ideas of sets and functions to be doing spivak. However, I'm also finding myself to enjoy spivak a heck ton, and I'm reluctant to put it down at the moment and do Rosen's discrete maths (which.... covers functions in more detail) instead. Its quite the dilemma for me: interesting book that I'm enjoying but may not be "ready" for yet, or a book which I find slightly boring but covers "basics", like probability, combinatorics, proofs, logic, functions, etc. Furthermore, I tend to spend hours on literally the most basic things- I just spent 2.5h on literally the first 7 pages of spivak. It's not that the concepts were hard, I alr am somewhat familiar with them in fact, but... Idk- I just tend to take lengthy notes of almost every page. I feel like taking this long is rather concerning as well 💀 Any suggestions

[haughty lintel]

you can always learn the pre-reqs as you go

[echo tundra]

Functions are just special relations smh

[rocky shuttle]

Relations are just subsets smh

[echo tundra]

Subsets are just smaller sets smh

[mental stratus]

equivalence classes partition a set smh

[echo tundra]

Also for notes just highlight the portion in the pdf itself and write notes there. It should be enough unless you wanna make notes for some special purpose

[tiny saddle]

I mean yeah but like idk, my head just can't help but pull off a shit ton of "Okay wait what about this" etc 💀

[tiny saddle]

I use hardcopy

[echo tundra]

That's better, just write it in the book itself

[tiny saddle]

I don't really like the idea of "dirtying" the book, and also cuz I wanna practice latex, but... Ig I could try?

[echo tundra]

That would make sense if I had purchased expensive books

All my books are either Dover, cheap SEA editions or printed

[tiny saddle]

I suppose so maybe I really am overworrying over shit as usual 💀 But eh ig I'll just stick to completing spivak and doing rosen's discrete maths as and when I feel like it

[clever star]

I suppose the question you want to ask is this: is taking notes the most effective use of your time?

[tiny saddle]

Yeah, that's one of my concerns too

[clever star]

I will say this. Spivak has gifted us with very wide margins.

Use them.

😛

How were you taking notes, by the way? Simply transcribing the properties of numbers and his explanations of his statements? Or were you more engaged?

[tiny saddle]

I feel like while I'm enjoying the process by typing down random thoughts/ideas on math as I go through the book, I feel like.... its also slowing my progress by a lot?

[tiny saddle]

I was kinda discussing it with myself

[clever star]

I mean that's good.

Personally, what I do when I'm reading a textbook like this, is:

[tiny saddle]

It feels a bit weird to... "vandalise" the book, idk, I'm just weird, perhaps I'm too used to keeping texts clean

[clever star]

Unless you plan on reselling it and need the money, I'd say use it for annotations man.

[tiny saddle]

Ic....

[clever star]

IDK I've been through a degree heavily annotating $350 books.

[tiny saddle]

Do u usually annotate using pen or pencil?

[mental stratus]

just typing out solutions to challenging problems or hard theorems should be enough

[clever star]

Coloured pens and highlighers are what I used for glossy print pages. My copy of Spivak has nice soft, non-glossy paper, so I use a pencil on that.

I try to set myself an arbitrary time limit, let's say, 15-20 minutes, where I am noting down the main theorems, definitions, strategies mentioned, as a 'first pass' reading. This is superficial and the point is just to equip myself with enough priming to attempt the problems. I do this with the intention that later, with a more experienced eye, I might be engaging with the chapter differently (often time means I won't, but I might be revisiting it when I'm redoing more notes).

Because once I start working the problems, I will start to engage with reading certain sections in a much more constructive and creative way.

[tiny saddle]

Yeah, usually it's enough to "get by", but... personally, I like to play about with the ideas.

Yet at the same time I know that I have to progress at a fast rate if I wanna stay ahead (cuz sadly the world's a competition) and what I'm doing is technically "a time waster" from that perspective

So yes, conflict

[tiny saddle]

Ooh....

[clever star]

If I'm going through some dense lecture notes, I will go much slower... could easily spend 3 hours on one lectures' readings if I'm being careful to try and prove things myself, break theorems, play with definitions. I usually don't have the time.

[tiny saddle]

Yee

Exactly

[clever star]

You're going to encounter some results and definitions and theorems that might stop you in your track, in which case, expect to take much longer with the reading and thinking and playing around, but for some content like properties of the real numbers - I'm assuming you know all that and just want the practice of using them very carefully to prove some basic results.

Anyway good luck. I find it's always a struggle between passive reception and active engagement and there's not enough time for anything. But I'd say the sooner you're working problems, trying to write your arguments and proofs, and getting feedback from people on them, the better.

[tiny saddle]

Makes sense, kinda captured my struggle with spivak pretty well

[tiny saddle]

Well on top of that there's also the issue of me being unsure if I'm really ready for spivak's calculus. Do people usually take discrete maths before calc? Idk

[clever star]

Well some schools teach calculus with Spivak after an introductory proofs course and some don't.

[tiny saddle]

Icic

So ig I should cut out the latex and get physical with the book

[clever star]

I think you will get fair bang for your buck going through the first few chapters of a book like Epp's Discrete Mathematics (and get to the problems quickly when you're reading!) but I'd also encourage you to just try the exercises, post your work for feedback, and see how you go.

[neat lintel]

In osmosis with salt, does the salt pull the water across the membrane?

[split island]

The water will be pulled towards the side with the higher concentration until they're at equilibrium

[regal night]

That sounds kinda inappropriate

[neat lintel]

[leaden tide]

Hi

Anyone here?

[gleaming venture]

hi

[west vigil]

Me when the 3x + 1

[alpine kindle]

<@&268886789983436800> literal swastika

plus gore

[west vigil]

Wdym where

[alpine kindle]

gone now

thanku mods

[surreal sapphire]

pew

[tiny saddle]

[tiny saddle]

[frosty zodiac]

@feral kernel what did you use to write #help-15 message this. looks super trippy and 3d

[uncut socket]

Looks like a glass white board

[frosty zodiac]

dang glass isn't my style

I'm too clumsy

[uncut socket]

Glass white boards are pretty common as the regular white boards can peel and crack

[slow arch]

@lyric sonnet Stay away from me

[slow arch]

Why do you need to DM another mathematics member in private? @uncut socket

[uncut socket]

Not really your business because I'm trying to ask something

[slow arch]

What are you asking?

You seem extremely creepy

[echo tundra]

[vocal vessel]

Suuuuoer creepy

[slow arch]

I HATE MATH

Oh.

Maybe I should use a calculator

instead of evaluating functions by hand

Maybe that's why I'm burning out

[split pawn]

Anterooos why

[pulsar shoal]

Im starting graduate algebra soon and terrified

Algebra is the worst

[slow arch]

Algebra is so easy

[pulsar shoal]

It wss my lowest grade in undergrad

Doesnt click for me

[slow arch]

How many hours did you put into studying your textbook?

[pulsar shoal]

Oof i have no idea

I took abs algebra in 2013

[slow arch]

Well, just study!

[pulsar shoal]

My undergrad was 14 years, im only now working on MS

[slow arch]

It's only hard when you don't put effort into studying

[pulsar shoal]

if you say so

i'm going to try for sure

just a bit terrifed

[rocky shuttle]

[neat lintel]

I'm taking abstract algebra next semester

[pulsar shoal]

nice

mines this summer

[rocky shuttle]

What are the topics in graduate algebra?

[alpine kindle]

that's a very long time

[rocky shuttle]

hi ally

[pulsar shoal]

its group theory course

[pulsar shoal]

yes I didn't think i'd finish

[alpine kindle]

hi zan

[rocky shuttle]

group theory sounds very broad

[pulsar shoal]

from dummit and foot

the first sections

🤷‍♂️

[alpine kindle]

🦶

[rocky shuttle]

#feet-discussion

[pulsar shoal]

im not into feet :(=

[rocky shuttle]

I see, I did those in undergraduate

And was curious what comes after that

[pulsar shoal]

I dunno

my school has commutative algebra and ring theory as other courses

[alpine kindle]

"Please only use this channel for discussion about Dummitt and Foote's textbook Abstract Algebra"

[pulsar shoal]

not a large program

[rocky shuttle]

right

[pulsar shoal]

I"m mostly into probability theory

[slow arch]

#feet-discussion 🤮

[light fiber]

Anyone here did Math AA HL?

[feral kernel]

I use a glass board. It is an A3 picture frame with white paper in it. It is really fun to write mathematics on it with a whiteboard marker.

[shut bison]

Does anyone understand probability

[pulsar shoal]

#probability-statistics

[slow arch]

no

[rocky shuttle]

probably

[split pawn]

Under the public right to information act of 2023, I seek information as to why my name was right clicked and "Block" selected

[shut bison]

Am fully aware of that.
Thanks for reminding

[sturdy pollen]

is there people

[lyric sonnet]

💀💀

[sonic flame]

anyone have a good introductory vid for long division

helping brother but the one made by organic chem tutor isn’t exactly what we’ve learnt

[sturdy garden]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ft5iHhauJ0

Not sure if you would qualify it as good, but perhaps it will help.

[vast surge]

Security deposit: $700
Payment Processing Fee: $23
What the fuck is a "payment processing fee"? That's so goddamn stupid.

(I'm in my "Zorn's Lemon pays for an apartment" arc right now)

[unborn trellis]

if you pay by cash or check you can dodge that

but yeah they do that when I pay by debit card

[vast surge]

Alright. I'll pay my monthly rent by check

[woven whale]

just pay your monthly rent in pennies

[fair mural]

me when i give the landlord 70000 pennies

[peak tide]

trivia fact: 1000 pennies weigh 5 pounds

(in the US)

[vast surge]

Time to give my landlord 160kg worth of pennies.

That's 3 times my weight

[peak tide]

btw, re: "payment processing fee" - that's roughly 3%, which is probably what the debit card network is charging for the transaction

i should have gone into the debit card network business and undercut Visa or whoever by charging only 2.5%

[vast surge]

I think that's how Elon Musk originally became rich, with paypal

[peak tide]

passively collecting a surcharge from millions of people's transactions has gotta be one of the most painless ways to become very wealthy

it has worked for wall street for 100+ years after all

[echo tundra]

And somehow it's worse with credit card like the whole reason I got one was to get extra money but instead I have to pay more cause of processing fee. So, ultimately it's cheaper to just use debit card of even better just UPI

[slow arch]

😭

[tired island]

[slow arch]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-bunny-gun-gif-23859392

[neat lintel]

does khan academy contain all the math classes (including advanced classes) in high school

[haughty lintel]

prob

i think it goes up to intro college level

[neat lintel]

alr thanks

gonna relearn all high school math this summer

[tired island]

[neat lintel]

Hello

[neat lintel]

hi

i am new here

@neat lintel

[mental stratus]

hi new here

@mental stratus

[neat lintel]

my name is kiara but you can call me kiki

[neat lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-awkward-gif-20874314

[stuck meadow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1013144144459341834/1077291011027509408/bubuh-1.gif

[stuck meadow]

hmm, I wonder what the hyperbole of throwing on coordinates xyz is here

its like.. can it be calc, wdyt guys?

[storm sage]

#old-network there's a chem server

[midnight kayak]

people good at math usually good at science

i think

[storm sage]

Statistically more likely yeah

[hasty peak]

good morning

[stuck meadow]

good

[hasty peak]

morning

[stuck meadow]

mornin'

[hasty peak]

goo'

[coral lava]

I need advice
There is this summer activity I really want to go to, it will fulfil and enrich me so much in ways i can't even express
But it is in another city, 4hours way from where I live. I do not know anyone there who could give me a place to sleep, and my parents do not allow me to be there alone for a week, and they can't stay with me either
What can I do to go there?

[primal crater]

don't they provide place to stay?

[steel cradle]

Guys, how do I read a/b

[river moon]

[ə slæʃ biː]

[coral lava]

idk

[river moon]

<@&268886789983436800>

[velvet dagger]

Is this a scam link?

[river moon]

I don't have a virtual machine to check

but it looks suspicious

[echo tundra]

No, I opened it and it just looks like a collection of ai based tools

[tall badge]

not strictly but thats all theyve posted between disc channels

[velvet dagger]

Oh multiposting

[neat lintel]

does anyone know mathmatican C.V.Durell ?

[woven whale]

https://tenor.com/view/el-momento-del-mogus-amog-mogus-el-momento-gif-22890012

[urban island]

[slow arch]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-gif-20168946

[neat lintel]

Is it okay to just have a grasp of the math definitions/theorems and be able to solve problems without remembering the definitions ? I feel like trying to remember them would take me a ton of time

[slow arch]

its okay

but its better to know why

[neat lintel]

Ok ty

[neat lintel]

yeah knowing why something is happening is the best feeling in math

[hallow blade]

I would be very surprised if you weren't able to remember definitions but were able to solve problems

[vast surge]

Often the precise definition is important because it's necessary to solve problems. If you don't want to memorize them, you'll need to become very good at looking up necessary definitions and theorems.

[neat lintel]

Ah I see, it's needed for proving theorems I guess

I am only at precalc so I don't have to prove ftm

[vast surge]

Oh then maybe you're fine

I don't know what precalc is; I only became plugged into the US system starting with college.

[torn willow]

Precalc is basically highschool math - calculus

It is usually much harder than calculus because of things like combi lmao

[vast surge]

I feel like the point of highschool math is to do calculus, though? Like, everything I learned before calculus was pretty much just building up to calculus (algebraic manipulations, polynomials, trigenometric functions, etc.)

There was a weird aside where we did some Euclidean geometry, but otherwise it was all fairly obviously oriented that way.

[torn willow]

Ok ig combi gets put in precalc because there is no other place to put it in

[vast surge]

Americans do combinatorics in highschool?

[woven whale]

we should start teaching baby's first group theory to high schoolers

[vast surge]

This but unironically. A 15-year-old could read Pinter without much difficulty.

[torn willow]

Well how else do people qualify for olympiads there

[vast surge]

I don't know I didn't do comp math until I tried the putnam in my 3rd year

[storm sage]

Reading Art of Problem Solving books

[eternal glen]

Yeah olympiad winners definitely go above and beyond the American curriculum

Though """technically"""" someone with only a high school education could win an olympiad, they wouldn't have the shortcut tools of say many modular arithmetic results

[little vine]

They teach basic graph theory in some hs

[south kelp]

I heard every olympiad winner has read all of Hartshorne for contest prep

[tight comet]

It's very easy to read

It's not very easy to do all exercises in Hartshorne

[south kelp]

Fr tho there was a gold medalist in my grade in hs and he reaaaaally liked combo.

My hs only offered an intro to combo class tho and that was already exceptionally rare for an american high school so he mustve learned it from somewhere else 🤷‍♂️

Idk I was too busy being a moody teen to interact w/ most of the school so idk much more detailed info lmao

[mental stratus]

Is graph theory related to Algebra?

[cinder zephyr]

I think there are some connections

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algebraic_graph_theory
@mental stratus

[neat lintel]

peterson graph nice

[wooden flax]

graph theory is linear algbera in disguise

[violet wraith]

not all, I never saw it in high school

just realized that was a message from several hours ago, my bad lol

[static trellis]

only like the lowest of low level combinatorics lol

[cosmic birch]

Can y'all look at this problem I did and see if I got it right

[tiny saddle]

nani

[bleak magnet]

is 2+2 = 4 ?

[chilly hull]

2+2 is indeed 4

[lofty sequoia]

Troll question

[latent tangle]

Is anyone familiar log equations?

[little vine]

2 +2 is 2 because two foxes plus two chickens is two foxes

Why'd 7 also eat all the irrational numbers?

Part of a complete breakfast

What'd 7 do 10 hours later

Shit logs

[lofty sequoia]

I am

[latent tangle]

May I ask you a question?

[lofty sequoia]

Ok sure

[latent tangle]

I have this information log 1.109485 = log 1.005208333312t and I'm trying to figure out how long it takes $10,000 investment to grow to $11,094.85 in months.

[lofty sequoia]

What is the base of the log? Is it exponential?

[latent tangle]

I believe so

[neat lintel]

shouldn't matter

[lofty sequoia]

You are right

Try taking the exponential of both sides. Then you can remove the log expressions from there

What is t by the way?

Is that the time?

[latent tangle]

suppose to be ^12(t) t is time

[lofty sequoia]

Ok

[latent tangle]

I think the question is very vague

[lofty sequoia]

So you need to find the rate that the interest increases

Yes it is

[amber orbit]

lol

[latent tangle]

The equation log 1.109485 = log 1.005208333312t models the amount of time it takes a $10,000 investment to grow to $11,094.85 in a savings account where the annual interest is compounded monthly. Solve for the amount of time, rounding your answer to the nearest month.

1 month
2 months
20 months
17 months

Some how I got two months.... probably wildly incorrect.

[tight comet]

Hi I think the answer is 799 months. Did I get it right?

[cosmic birch]

What's the best way to get into calculus like where do I start?

[latent tangle]

Not an option. I'm very confused on what it could be.

[tight comet]

!help

[quasi jetty]

Please read #❓how-to-get-help

[bronze pelican]

<@&268886789983436800>

[fair mural]

yuwu

wuwu

a second wuwu

[fading zealot]

The muscule guy then ran towards me, said “You want to see chaos? I'll let you see chaos!”

And then he pulled out a double pendulum

[hollow quest]

I appreciate this joke

Keep it up

[cursive token]

wrong peterson graph

[alpine kindle]

wow i knew he was insane but i didn't realise he was this insane

[tight comet]

Naming 「」

[cursive token]

its from his book titled maps of meaning, a better title for which is meaningless maps

[tight comet]

Such amazing

[neat lintel]

he's mostly reasonable until you ask him what god is

[alpine kindle]

as much as someone raving about how black people are biologically less intelligent can be reasonable

which is, to be clear, very unreasonable

[neat lintel]

I meant to say petersen graph lul

[neat lintel]

Don't remember him saying that.
His research on personality trait theory is solid. Once a scholar steps out of their field of expertise, things start getting wonky.

[alpine kindle]

he wrote the bell curve book

wait

no

I'm wrong

[neat lintel]

The Bell Curve by charles murray?

Different guy

it's a pretty controversial book. Never read it tho

[neat lintel]

I think this book was about him psychoanalyzing the bible or some shit.

[alpine kindle]

ok anyway regardless he's said many thoroughly debunked things about how men and women are naturally predisposed to certain jobs

[alpine kindle]

if you look at any of his youtube videos for like 10 seconds he is very much not reasonable

[neat lintel]

hmm like what video

[grizzled grove]

Isn't he a faculty somewhere?

[neat lintel]

according to his wikipedia page uni of toronto

Was

[grizzled grove]

That's very high credential. So he cannot be unreasonable most of the time

[alpine kindle]

"stolen youth"
posted 2 weeks ago

[neat lintel]

Oh he was an assistant prof at harvard too

[alpine kindle]

you would think!

[neat lintel]

Then he became a full professor at uni of toronto

[grizzled grove]

Yeah the University of Toronto finds him reasonable enough to be a faculty. I have mostly seen short clips of him

[cursive token]

hes no longer a professor

[alpine kindle]

look at these chapter titles

[cursive token]

maps of meaning was written way before the controversial stuff

its bonkers lol

but most of psychoanalysis is

[neat lintel]

unverifiable

[cursive token]

i mean not just that but lunacy

[alpine kindle]

it's basically all just "oh lgbtq people are pedos we shouldn't be teaching lgbtq stuff to kids" verbal diarrhoea

[neat lintel]

we should read one for entertainment

[cursive token]

true

[neat lintel]

I need ideas to write a hentai script

[alpine kindle]

@neat lintel

and i didn't even need to look far
there's probably a ton more of that all over gis channel

[cursive token]

there is. but most conservative talking heads these days spam that

[grizzled grove]

I think most of topics fall under neither good nor bad setup. Every thing needs balanced point of view.

[cursive token]

hes definitely not balanced

[alpine kindle]

peterson is not balanced

[cursive token]

the guys a benzo addict come on

[neat lintel]

wasn't that for his depression?

[cursive token]

then he went to russia to put himself in a coma so that he doesnt have to get withdrawals lol

theres some wild stuff about him and his family man

[neat lintel]

Bruh why russia

[cursive token]

coz canada wouldnt do that lol

its experimental treatment

[neat lintel]

Oh

This guy came up with his own treatment plan?

[grizzled grove]

I thought he talks about being disciplined etc...which is not bad.

[cursive token]

i mean he says you should just eat meat to cure depression so

just look up his rationalwiki page its great

total looney

[neat lintel]

apparently being on a carnivorous diet cured his depression

[grizzled grove]

Yeah that is completely wrong ...to avoid the vegan favouring arguments and saying meat only diet is healthy. I don't know why he said that

[neat lintel]

that's not bad. But it's when he starts talking about how depicting coiling snakes on hieroglyphics meant ancient people had innate knowledge of DNA that irks me

that shit's bonkers man

[alpine kindle]

i think him being severely against lgbtq people + everything else is more than bad enough that the discipline shit doesn't cut it

[grizzled grove]

Personally whatever leads to hatred is bad and whatever leads to productivity is good. Hating a section of people is bad. Helping depressed people to become disciplined is good.

[neat lintel]

that's okay, just don't emulate his treatment plan