I've always been kinda nervous with the prospect of dealing with anything binomial-related: the formula, the coefficients, etc.
$\$
but I've finally sat down and thought a bit about it and came up with the general formula for the $n$th derivative of a product of functions. it's not impressive but I still would like to share:
$$(fg)^{(n)}=\sum_{0\le i\le n}\binom ni f^{(n-i)}g^{(i)}$$
(at least I hope this is correct)
#serious-discussion
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that's literally what I wrote
awesome! yeah this is a fun one to derive
That's why I posted it
Why have you thumbsdowned my comment?
I posted it because of the "(at least I hope this is correct)" part
Anyway, more generally, have a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivation_(differential_algebra)#Properties
And for fun, consider the case where you are working in char p
ok fine I guess I see that
I thought you came up with it on your own, and I thought you would feel proud that you discovered a known identity
I was just annoyed bc of the wikipedia page being posted immediately as I post my own thing but I see what you were doing
I did and I knew it was known but it was my first time actually deriving it
ah, I've heard of these and they're pretty interesting
@scarlet lantern hey, do you still keep up with developments in AQFT?
Hey
@fast moat the sully was because your message was off topic
Simply posting a geometric construction followed by "new" doesn't make for an interesting math discussion
Fuck off
2 sullies to a delete nice
Yes, but only the headlines
Costello--Gwilliam and Urs’ work and Pedro Lauridsen’s work for the most part
A little strange to ping me out of the blue for this; do I know you from the physics server or something
Mmmm I see. No, I just saw that you were quite critical of the AQFT program before in the physics server and I wanted to see if that had changed. I'm thinking whether it's a topic worth studying in the future or not. Unfortunately I can't post in the physics server without linking my phone number so I asked here instead.
Ok, I see
I’m critical of past advances in AQFT in the Haag--Kastler era and what came after because they didn’t really achieve anything and were quickly superseded by Glimm and Jaffe’s work which was roundly more effective
So in the context of constructive QFT, algebraic approaches have been (up until recently) mostly unsuccessful
Many of the new advances are quite interesting and worth following up
But they’re very new so it’s tough to say what will happen and once again the more analytic approaches like Hairer’s programme are more successful on the ground
Remains to be seen what will happen
If you have an independent interest in AQFT, not constructive stuff, then by all means look into it. It really is very cool just at the mathematical level, especially CG’s stuff
However one other thing to note is, because of their early lack of success, the field has remained a bit small. It’s not as vigorous as other areas of math phys and there are only small pockets in the UK and Germany and Canada working on it actively
Because you don't use them enough
...use them... how...?
In strenuous ways that get them tired and cause the blood to pump
Ah I see
Like playing a Bass Guitar
Idle hands are the Devil’s workshop. That’s why I always [keep them moving]
yea
@frigid matrix u still here ?
yea
This is me. 
Well actually my interest is basically that I have some sort of physical motivation for studying grad maths xD As such I don't have any interest on the constructive stuff. I had a short email convo with Kasia Rejzner, and she seemed quite optimistic about the programme although that's understandable given that's her main area of research. She actually recently published a paper trying to connect her work on pAQFT with that of Costello/Gwilliam on factorization algebras
Then you should definitely read up on it
Rejzner's BV stuff in particular is very cool
My only gripe really comes from the cQFT side, otherwise I think the developments in this area are well-worth studying, especially if you're interested in physics as a playground for algebra or motivation for algebra or what have you
yeee
Did anyone else notice that the texit bot is running at a $81.35USD a month loss?
It's posted 292822 times on this server, that's pretty crazy
where do you see this lol
damn
I am kind of surprised they only get $29USD a month
how does their vps cost 100€/month 
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A shard manager is generally a seperate program that communicates to all running instances of your bot, and tells each shard if and when it's allowed to connect. The manager would handle the max concurrency and make sure that too many shards don't try to connect simultaneously.
And this has 476527 shard members
shard members not shard manager
I am aware
So? Presumably they are paying for servers, not running it off their own pc
yeah but still
I'm paying 20€/month for a 32 gig vps
with a uh
let me check
what cpu
And how many users are you serving?
And is it dedicated, or shared?
it's a vps
Shared cost way less than dedicated
ok and?
You seemed sceptical it cost so much, and your justification was based on your shared VPS costs
But shared VPS cost significantly less than dedicated hosting
They should probably be transparent with their costs though, that would probably motivate people
"I go for the gucci socks because they have gucci in their name"
That's a stupid comment. a shared VPS won't work for running a discord bot on like 30000 servers
do you have any evidence for that claim?
have you tried running a 30000 server bot on a vps yourself?
Do you understand the difference between shared and dedicated hosting?
responding to my question with another question
Your question seems to suggest you don't know the difference
The second question seemed like a rhetorical statement
man I really can't be arsed arguing with you
That's okay, you don't seem to have anything to share
please stfu
you realize this comment wasn't necessary
and is just going to get me more heated
can we be civil in here
I wonder if TeXiT is oss tbh
Hello
Latex is pain
Gonna continue trying to fix my latex workshop after i get home
it is; the source code is available at https://gitlab.paradoxical.pw/team-paradox/paradox
guys i need help in math discussion appreciate support ^^
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Please read #❓how-to-get-help
if you run your VPS at 100% CPU usage, your provider will be very quick to terminate your service
the reason VPS are so cheap is that their resources are overbooked and not inteded to be used to 100% all the time

@neat lintel which grade?
grade?
ohh ok
ask it
Here?
if possible i can ans?
Gimme a sex
C
triangle ABG is given
with A(-5,-2) while the median BM has an equation of y=x-1 and the height DG has an equation of y=-2x-2
im afraid i cant give you that
Find the equation of the side AB
lemme think
which country are you from?
Greece
oh
yes wait a sec
yes
@mighty gale so u got any luck with it ?
Can j show me ?
@neat lintel whats the ans?
am i correct?
My tutor
I can tell u in about 2 hours when I get back
Can u show me how u found it tho?
And ty so much for your time
sure haha
@mighty gale maybe u could send me photo of your work?
its all messy you want understand a thing
the thing is i am nervous about my ans being correct cause in my school this topic isnt even taught yet and this topic is in my next grade so i might be wrong
@mighty gale it's Okey even if u are wrong
@mighty gale but commooooonnn let me seeeeeeee
Am curious
english is my 2nd language
wait then
@woven whale
here lol good luck understanding
for consuming meth
btw how old are you?
im 15
and i am not sure if iam correct
It looks like there's an inside
at my school's math the shapes are always flat looking
@mighty gale hahaha loooll
on graphs
tell me the ans?
I wouldn't even think of checking it.. peace out sorry
That thing still uses mx + b

that thing?

i think its called slope intercept form
and the other one is point intecept form
yes i think so
and how old are you?
what am i gonna do with your age?

like steal it or something?
ok tell me which year/standard/class/grade you study?
grade 11
uk?us?
then you are older than me
i will be in grade 11 next summer
which uni are to going to aaply?
good luck
what topic are you currently on in algebra 2?
Logarithms
oh ok
I might take summer class to skip pre calc
I didn't get the chance last year because everyone took all seats


this summer i mean
which one?
oo
I wanted to go engineering like biomedical
BUt
I always think I'm not enough for it
Not looking good for me
So many careers I wanna choose but can't pick one
@mighty gale wdym witch one
you gotta put the work for it
Ye
i mean which kind of engineering are you going to pursue?
1 year is still left for graduation grind hard my friend
Aerospace/aeronautical engineering.
Chemical engineering.
Civil engineering.
Electrical/electronic engineering.
Mechanical engineering.etc
you have to determined to do self study
Ye
cause there are many distractions around
I am trying to fix my sleeping schedule
hey any math nerds want to read a couple of concise and useful pdfs on mathematical logic and combinatorics to join me on the adventures of the abstract!

id loved to but its too advanced for me
well, that's up to the eyes of the beholder
wdym
it's subjective
still not getting it
like it means, cause every human decides what is 'hard' and 'easy' for themselves
but yeah does take commitment to read
nah bro its not about hard or being easy
its being at that level
yeah i can read it but i wont understand a thing
im 15 grade 10
using your age and/or your school grade as an excuse is just dumb
i am not giving an excuse im just telling him that i am at the current time not at that level
your age/school grade doesn't say anything about your math level
yes you are right
ok
ok
If we permit some assumptions, it can put a floor on it
some people in my math class don't know how to divide single digit numbers
like this one person thought 4 / 1 = 2
I remember teaching high school students how to carry digits in addition
Well, one in particular
I'm not a teacher, I was just sitting next to him
interesting
where is this?
that's kinda racist man
from the stereotypes
yea kind of
now now dont hate me


Not doxxing myself μωμ
saying what country you're from isn't doxxing 
muomegamu
oh you're from China? You must be that guy that owns Xinfuhao hotel in Guangdong Province, Foshan, Shunde District, 新兴路10号 邮政编码: 528308
How'd you know I was actually Chinese!?!?!?!?
@neat lintel 
you see, I'm a professional doxxer, I know everything. I know not only the minutest details of your lives but those of everything around you, for I mention even knowing when a sparrow falls or when you lose a single hair. Not only do I know everything that will occur until the end of history itself, but also know your very thoughts, even before you speak forth. I know your hearts from afar; I even saw you in the womb.
Just leave my hotel and my son alone
Touhou 11 third boss be like
have you guys ever used the binwalk command in linux
@neat lintel so what was the ans?
Yup
Istg like half the people on earth use those iPad note/drawing apps for math now lol
It's gotten so popular lately
Too many!!
chalkboards are for those with good memory
i can never remember what i wrote 2 erases ago
I cant even remember what I wrote ON the chalkboard lmao
Høw dø u type the øther x in discørd
i like pen and paper
wait not pen
pencil and paper
the only writing utensil in my case are no2 pencils
Hi cat bread
sup
i proved that if a differentiable function has a local max on m, then f'(m)=0

im gonna try to prove rolles/MVT
i got the trick spoiled for me
but in retrospect I probably would not have seen that based on my skill at the time

can't do lecture note on a chalkboard
As far as my computer could go simulating Gabriel's Cake. You're welcome.

h
h\
theres probably a physics server exactly like this too yh
it probably has less ppl
cos maths is more popular
is it active?
true
kinda
physics deserves some love too
whenever my tests go bad physics always comes in clutch
about 3.7k members
11th
exactly
vectors-?
studying hindi nd sst is so useless
which board shashwat?
cbse prolly
cbse
ye
we had mcqs for the first term lol
im going to do most of mechanics before class 11 (hopefully)
Mostly coz people need help with their hw
thats why
vectors are pretty simple as far as i did
oh ok you're in 10th
9th
what class are you in
i see
just study it in math once and you'll start fucking it up in physics too
oh okay cool
students of class 7th and 8th are doing physics of 11th and 12th in my coaching 💀
the vectors in physics is relatively easy
same
lol
yeah
this is why i dont like maths
i only did physics so i guess thats why
overcomplicates things unnecessarily
our coaching class 9 students dont know addition subtraction of fractions
teachers are good tho i just take extra classes
i got a meme for this
you are in narayana so
I was in class 8 and my batchmates didnt know how to solve linear equations
felt smart for once
sadly.
dad dealing with that stuff
in my coaching i either get 2nd or 1st theres this guy who comes in the test with name as fish and gets near same marks as me
good competition = good motivation
^
my score fell for a bit because personal stuff
good rank = good job
im getting back on track now
good job = hapy
i am 1st most of the times, just fuck up sometimes in chem
did that
No,as I have experienced it
💀
have been doing jee prep since 6th 
wait how
good job = good money
money = happiness
what kind of a sadist would get someone to prepare from 6th...
The difficult part is knowing what you want to do
my dad used to be centerhead for local fiitjee
i wish i could
Money is easy
again, the last equality is false
there were tons of class 5 kids in ftre
fiitjee exam
he started me early and im still a disappointment
Just learn web dev or some shit
i have no hope for this country
ftre is a joke
for me its true
Rtx 4090 is my waifu 😍
ftre is rigged
mhm
u started from class 6th?
mhm
i f*cked up ftre so hard lmao
your waifu wont keep your mental health from collapsing
bruh wtf
75th percentile
but i would like a 4090 myself
So FIITJEE asked us to write FTRE for no reason
Well there is a reason and that is to prevent outside people from getting like 250ish rank
I got a decent under 100 rank in bigbang
peach how good r u doing in mock tests rn
Also ig inflating the competition?
my preboards screwed up ftre
only 1 week to do 12th syllabus then i got 5900 something rank so i guess i am pretty satisfied
170 mains 120 adv
nice
eh its decent
150 adv 200+ mains
youll get there
wake up at 5 am you will get the post nut clarity and mental health will be no issue
they dont really determine at much

so true!
I wake up at 3 and do chem
peach what uni you wanna go to
150 in mains sounds not bad, but when you are right there in front of the computer
it is a lot
and ur telling me i still score a 30/60
yeah waking up at 3 am doesnt do shit

ima just sleep?????? 
Just sleep
Here is a time-table i follow created by chatgpt
6:00 AM - 7:00 AM Wake up, eat breakfast, and prepare for the day
7:00 AM - 9:00 AM Review previous day's notes and any upcoming assignments or exams
9:00 AM - 12:00 PM Focus on specific subjects or topics
12:00 PM - 1:00 PM Break for lunch and physical activity
1:00 PM - 4:00 PM Continue focusing on subjects or topics
4:00 PM - 5:00 PM Break for a snack and review any material that is giving you difficulty
5:00 PM - 8:00 PM Focus on a different subjects or topics
8:00 PM - 9:00 PM Dinner and leisure time
9:00 PM - 10:00 PM Review all material covered during the day and make any necessary notes or summaries
10:00 PM - 6:00 AM Sleep
You have a time table?

yall have time tables?
I dont
I think that's probably where I fucked up
school when
wait is narayana integrated school + coaching
school?
with coaching
damn
dummy school with coaching
my parents wont allow me to take admission in dummy 100%
dummy is chad
our school doesnt force attendance on good students tho
normal school is dogshit
we all know
this is what our timetable looks like (its filled till 9 usually)
convince parents then 💀
i mean
i probably could
but tbh i would just become a sad miserly fuck if i just sat inside my room all day
listen to music and vibe to it while studying
no sadness
you become a third person getting disappointed in yourself
takes your mind off studying if it has lyrics
you pretend you're studying but you're not
this lamo
thts why i listen japanese anime uwu song
still takes your mind off of studies
or lofi
shashwat
music in general does
local coaching

it either really helps or really fucks up
i love that ditto vid
isnt that too long wow
if I run of latin and greek alphabet for variables what do I move on to
hebrew letters?
if you run out of letters, you rewrite what you have because its horrible 
anyways, do not use nonstandard letters that people dont know how to write
honestly there's an extent of truth in this lmao
everytime I get stuck I use a ton of variables
א 
i sometimes use smiley faces and stars
but not really as variables, just as an equation counter
just start using uppercase greek letters like ΑΕΡΤΥΟΖΗΚΝΜΒΧ
screw that I'm using Chinese characters
Hello is there by anychance a desktop app that uses AI to turn screenshots of equations to copyable Latex code on desktop?
theres a website that lets you draw symbols and it converts individual symbols to latex
but i've never seen something that does that
sounds like a cool project
@packam
@neat lintel blocked
not really
It honestly disrupts my learning that I can't just throw nice equations to my notes seemlessly
If you're frequently working with equations, it's not bad idea to familiarize yourself with LaTeX
You can then set up Obsidian for taking notes, adding equations on the fly which look nice
(add the community plugin latex-suite to enable MathJax with a lot of useful snippets inbuilt)
It seems so yes
Snippets borderline help me do that now
I can type beautiful equations faster than I can write them by hand
looked them up seems to have 10 snips per month
which is uhh too low I guess
might just ask chatGPT to spit out Latex equations then
I do engineering so mostly use well known equations
If you see yourself frequently using equations for a long amount of time, putting in some effort to learn LaTeX on the fly is well worth it, imo
MathJax especially is even more minimal
Since you'd only be working with some standard packages and commands directly
And no meta/document level things to be addressed on the level of LaTeX code
Maybe, but for now I just need to study for a PhD exam in the next couple of weeks
Ah, okay
If you're pressed for time then maybe you could also look at mathcha.io
It's slightly more direct than MathJax
And common editors
Since it has a dropdown box for commands
well perhaps if I succeed in this exam and start a PhD I hope I'd need it
If your input is relatively clean (not handwriting) then you can use https://github.com/lukas-blecher/LaTeX-OCR
The demo on the \exp function gave me
\exp\left[\int d^{4}x g\phi\bar{\psi}\psi\right]=\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{g^{n}}{n!}\left(\int d^{4}x\phi\bar{\psi}\psi\right)^{n}
which is incorrect as the sum starts from 0 and not 1, but that is essentially most of the TeX so you only need to add minor changes
YEEES BLESSINGS UPON YOU
lovely
Installing seems to not be that easy, but I can get the model to run relatively well on an active Colab instance
hope it runs on WSL because I'm not trying to make command line projects run on windows
Ohh damn, it's not pre-trained? WHY,
ahh thank you lovely
Mathematical research can be accessible. This video series somewhat faithfully records the thinking process of a 15-year-old in his mathematical research. Although it turned out that someone had made a similar discovery, this independent and nontrivial discovery still stands to prove that mathematical research is not far-fetched.
Some useful li...
fun problem
for the first problem I observed that we could reflect a path across the diagonal from start to finish and get another path, so I could just count all the paths that start going upwards as the first step, and multiply by 2
then recursively break it into graphs, then contract, etc until I counted them all
idk if there's really much hope than that, seems like it suggests generalizing the problem to counting all self-avoiding walks on all graphs, not just squares, since you sort of end up counting those anyways
and at 15 i learn congruent triangles 😭
At 15 I found physics and computer science more interesting than math
i am 15 and find CS physics and math more interesting than chemistry
That still holds for me
At 15 i found nuclear physics more interesting than normal physics and math
I WISH I was into competition math as a high schooler.
It sucks a little to realise that I would have enjoyed it if I had tried it years ago.
literally me
Sorry for the late reply, I was on vacation.
The classification that I am trying to make is the following: (Please, if you consider that something needs to be changed, tell me, really I still find the concept of "algebraic" and "transcendent" a bit strange because I don't understand what it really refers to, and I feel that trigonometric functions are also transcendental but I'm not sure)
Algebraic Functions (Here we could find polynomials of any degree, irrational)
Transcendent Functions (Exponential, Logarithmic)
Periodic (Trigonometric, any other periodic function)
Heading (defined by parts, for example, sign function, absolute value function, floor or ceiling function)
Combination (means to add, subtract, multiply, or divide two functions, for example, the rational function that is the result of dividing two polynomial functions)
Composition (Simply any function that happens to be a composition of two others, for example, "y=8^(3x+1)" (Composite Transcendent with Algebraic)
lol that sucks
Do you like meth
There are way way more real functions than you seem to think there is
What you have classified is a very small subset
One encounters wacky examples in Real Analysis, but even these are artificial in a way
Basically - the functions we are generally interested in are like this.
They are nice and easy to study
Can you tell me examples of which functions would not enter any classification? I want to know.
never mind functions - even real numbers
so there are numbers that are 'uncomputable'
by definition, there's no way to write them down. This expands the possibilites
What do you mean by 'not enter any classification'?
But anyways, apart from this wacky example there are others - all of the examples you list seem to be nice in the sense they're continuous almost everywhere
That person says that there are functions that cannot be classified in at least one of the 6 categories that I said before, that's what I mean.
There certainly are.
what is a split function...
in any case, the 6 categories you've listed are rather arbitrary
on the venn diagram of real functions I would say you've drawn 6 random circles
Functions defined by pieces (or split functions) are those that are defined with a specific rule in a specific interval. The easiest examples are the absolute value or sign function.
The Dirichlet function is also defined piecewise.
I could argue all functions are split functions
I will define their value at every single point
Yes
You need a more precise definition.
Also note how a function is defined isn't a property attached to it.
There is more than one way to do it
But do you need to define it with a Polynomial? I don't think you want to go to that trouble, plus it would be impossible considering an R domain. Only in cases where you want to have another domain and it's finite
But do you need to define it with a Polynomial?
Can you clarify
I don't understand what you've just said at all ngl
Fundamentally, a real function maps from R to R, so it assigns to each real number another real number.
in graphical terms, I take the R^2 plane and for each point x on the x-axis, I plot (x, y) for any y I choose
When I talk about functions of a real variable, I mean any function whose domain and codomain are sets included in R. It does not have to be all of R. (✓x does not have all of R as domain).You even choose the domain yourself (to define a function you need to establish the domain, codomain and the analytic expression or rule)
I don't think the issue of a smaller domain / codomain is worth considering
I can always just extend such by defining the function to be 0 everywhere else
And consider just R -> R (to keep things simple)
What I wanted to clarify, I think that's what you were referring to, is about the fact that all functions can be defined in parts. It's true. But I don't think anyone does. Why define f:R--> R, f(x) = x piecemeal? You're never going to make it. On the other hand, if it is f:[2,3,6,9]-->R, f(x) = {0 if x=2; 10 if x=3; -20 if x≥6} then yes, and it's easier.
"i don't think anyone does"
My point isn't who does or doesn't
And I don't think that should be relevant
That's not a property inherent to the function
My point about a 'classification' is you should be classifying by properties inherent to the object
In mathematics at least.
Since you can define all functions piecewise (by doing it pointwise), all functions are piecewise.
You can define f(x) = x as "x" if x<0 and "x" if x≥0 Is that necessary?
'piecewise' is not an inherent property to the function
It's not about whether its necessary or not though.
this is pure notation
Yes
Is it necessary?
no
shh.
If you are going to graph it, it is necessary. If you are only going to calculate an image, no.
or literally just |x|
that doesn't require defining it piecewise
I am detracting from my original point - but I want to point out that 'necessary' is not obvious
And its not a well-defined notion like you think it is
The definition of absolute value exists
In fact, how do you think f(x) = x is defined? Truly, it's actually defined pointwise.
It's the function where the y value is equal to the x value at every point
this is fundamentally a pointwise definition
The same for x^2 and so on.
I don't see another way to define it 'simpler' without resorting to a pointwise defn
define it categorically
Yes, you assign the same value to each value, that's understandable, it's exactly what f(x)=x says, right? There is no doubt that it is so. And that rule is fulfilled that you write "y=x" for any x that you consider, that is, for any x that belongs to R.
All of that can be written like this:
f : R --> R / f(x) = x
And that means what you mentioned above.
Now what can I do if I want my function to return a value y=x+4 when x is negative, y=100 when it is zero, and y=x+20 when x is positive? The above rule can be written like this:
f:R-->R / f(x) =
{x+4 if x<0
100 if x=0
x+20 if x>0}
With this function, you would first pass a "filter" to see what interval the number you put into the function belongs to (if it is positive, negative, or zero). This filter in the function that you mentioned (f(x)=x) was not there, whatever the value of x, it returned the same x, another example f(x)=x+8)
What mathematicians have done is choose a few specific functions. Like polynomials, trig, whatever (the ones you're familiar with). And then using those we can build more functions
This covers all examples you will see in high school mostly
But I'm saying these building blocks are in some sense arbitrary
And also these building blocks have to be defined in some way anyways - probably pointwise.
It's all I want to cover, for now. I'll be a high school teacher, not a college one. Maybe in the future I should continue researching and learning about more ways to classify them.
My point is that functions are more general than this and I think its important to grasp to understand
f : A -> B
f = {(x, y) : x in A, y in B}
A function is a set of tuples with the property that
if (a, b) and (a, c) are in the set then b = c
This is the usual definition, and it essentially means that you define them pointwise
For a real function, I can draw any random squiggle on the x-y plane (that passes the vertical line test) and we have one
It doesn't even have to be a connected squiggle
Yes, and most importantly: the second component depends on the first, hence the name "function".
So I don't think your list will cover me doing random squiggles
I think it can be a beautiful split function.
What do you mean by being united?
And think about the size of the space we're considering. It's R^R. That's a lot of functions
what will this be
where would you put the functions such that f(x+y) = f(x)+f(y) and f(x) ≠ αx for all α in the real numbers
That is a property
But she's described a property which a lot of functions will fall under
just take any one in that set.
yeah where does it fit in your list
I don't understand why you care that the function is not "joined". It does not matter. It's still function.
No that's my point
yeah
but where does it fit in your list
of classes of functions
If you give the idea that functions fall into one of those categories, then students will think such isn't one
especially where does my one fit in your list of classes of functions
I need to know where you got the function from, since it seems that it depends on two variables (x,y) and not on one (of x)
it's one function
takes one input
it's just that if you add two numbers together and put it into the function it will be the same as applying the function separately to each and then adding
I haven't given an explicit definition
because that's physically impossible
Therefore, it seems to me more just a property that fulfills certain functions. Not a function as such.
ok
choose one function
from that list
what category will it fall into
It's like saying "where would the injective function be on your list?"
never mind that one what about this one???
ive explicitly defined a function on that interval
(ignoring the slight inaccuracies on there)
I already answer you. Above
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u mean this?
split into what
pointwise?
I'm going to tell you now no part of that is a polynomial, trig, log, exp or whatever
Assuming it's not a polynomial function, maybe it's just a piecewise function.
Piecewise how
if its in pieces, u got to say what the pieces are too
The pieces would fall into your classification also.
In the end - you're just going to resort to a pointwise defn for anything that doesn't fit in your categories
which essentially signifies they aren't complete.
They are a tiny subset of functions.
It can have parts of a polynomial, even some part of a trigonometric. It doesn't really matter which ones. It is inaccurate to find it through a scribble and I think it is the same with any other function that is difficult to recognize.
it's possible to have a function which are no parts polynomial or trig
Weierstrass function
never mind me squiggling - I can define functions pointwise with this property
I can make it so that no interval in the domain will satisfy any of the above
No interval (except points) are algebraic, transcendent, periodic or a combination/composition of.
And this will in fact be the majority of functions that exist. So going with those categories is a bit misleading.
I understand what you are saying and you are right. My classification doesn't work for that type of function but then how can I classify those functions?
And as for the Weiertrass function, I haven't studied it yet, I saw that it has a summation and I don't understand how the concept of function with mixed summation works, so I don't know where it would be placed either.
the point we're making is that your classification isn't very good
I'm trying to point out its futile trying to come up with a classification
You can include the category 'everything else', but this category will actually be huge compared to the others
The problem is that I have seen in several places that they use a simple classification of "algebraic" and "transcendent". Then, they say things like "continuous, differentiable, etc" things that to me, aren't really a classification but rather "characteristic". That's why I've had a hard time finding a way to classify them. Just to try to predict their behavior. Maybe I should just do small groups of functions that I know, and then, as I learn more, find features that match (as a family of functions).
Better would be to think of those 'categories' as 'examples' or 'properties'
Yes, they are properties certain functions have.
Indeed characteristics.
don't try and classify all real functions
It's hard enough trying to classify all real numbers.
The transcendental class (the everything else one) is again massive
and the same problems arise
Anyway, I really liked the doodle. After all, it still meets the definition of a function.
Furthermore, the function is a relation, the relation is a subset of a Cartesian product, and the Cartesian product is a set of ordered pairs. I think that the functions that are defined with an analytical expression have a greater dependency (of the dependent variable with the independent one) than the others (the ones you drew, for example)
The Cartesian product can have infinitely many ordered pairs, it does not have to follow a rule that is easy to write, much less easy to find. Of course, there are easy ones like the ones already known, or that is why I think it will be important to put into practice (to my students) the fact that there are functions that do not have to have an "equation".
I would absolutely avoid giving them the impression that's 'all' possible functions
Even at that level there are exam questions that ask you if this random graph (squiggle) represents a function
Of course, I will not let them be guided by such a minimal rating.
Outside of these random examples, there are even nice ones you've missed. Such as functions that are best defined as a limit of a sequence of functions
Or integrals
I don't think the error function comes under any of what you've written
Which? I would like to know more about them
lookup error function
There are others such as lambert, gamma function
iirc they dont come under what uve written
There are many 'nice' functions which are defined using infinite series
including the trig ones
nice in the sense they're used and have this and that property we're interested in studying
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And this is an important idea to get across to HS students imo - the 'majority' of integrals don't have a closed form solution
but one question: Is it necessary to use two variables or one variable and one parameter for all those functions that you have mentioned? I say this because in the error function I found an "x" and a dt.
The ones they see are deliberately constructed to be doable
the t is a dummy variable
there is no dependence on it
its like for example
$\sum^n_{i = 0} i$
iirc solutions of certain differential equations give rise to more classes of functions
Basically there are lots and lots of classes of functions mathematicians are interested in studying - even within real functions
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How much is 2+2?
At least 3
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is anyone able to help me with a discrete structure problem?
root(8 +or- 29i)
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what shuld i do today
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ye that sounds hard
takes a lot of energy to be patient too
ah shit i hope nobody i knows on here
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ive gone as far as to tell them id like to cosplay genshin characters
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엄마 : (멀리서) "아 별꼴이야"
im not sure whos better at english between me and my sis but shes a humanities major
so i concede
wow!
What does this mean i saw it in a geometry dash level before
thank you
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please i really need fast help w this.In a right triangle ABC with hypotenuse BC, the difference between the hypotenuse and the cathetus AB is equal to 9 cm. Knowing that the projection of AB onto the hypotenuse is 3.77 cm long, determine the area of the triangle
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now say something but in reverse
and every time the letter e coming replace it with 'ping'
,w cathetus
Leg.
I have never heard that word be used in reference to a leg of a right triangle.
Hello, is there any helpers I could talk to for a discussion from helpers to helpers ?
A teacher would be even greater actually
personnaly notion
Why?
It is good for organization and taking note for everything exept math and stuff like that but for that i use different app
I was having problem with good question of limits while I am able to the basics and moderates ones, I was thinking if anyone would like to see and discuss it with me so that I can find out what is that is lingering my questions.
I would like share screen and talk to audio
as the vc has been closed in this server, I would prefer if you dm me.
for what do you need second brain for ?
I have ADHD and I fucking suck at remembering things
I want something I can make to-do lists (organized) and write notes in and handwrite my notes and whatever I need
for maths or other stuffs
haha like me
There’ll be lots of math, I’m an engineering student
But it won’t be proofs or anything
Lots of computation
Handwritten
so, instead of app I would like to suggest a course, of Justin sung
best app for task management is Amplenote
and for zettelkasten without maths is Tana
and with maths, there is no one clearly a winner but with a lot of investment of time Obsidian can be turned into one.
search for icanstudy justin sung on web, i guess this is what you really need
I see
have you looked into any of the recommendations what do you feel
obsidian is really cool I'm doing all my math notes and homework in it
if your second brain is a lot math then obsidian B)
Yo i solved a super hard equation
With no help google or known formulas
It was summation from n=x to x^2, with the equation of N^2
Took me like a week
👌
Mostly cause of procrastinating tho
What does this mean?
Postmodern math
solution: (x^2-x+1)N^2
Ok draw a function(x) with a summation symbol with x^2 on top of summation, and N=x at the bottom.
The equation inside the summation is N^2
Heres a crude drawing
find an explicit formula for the nth sum of n^2, then plug in x^2 and subtract off the part from n=1 to n=x-1?
Yea thats what i did
The hard part was the explicit formula
I had to figure it out on my own
Faulhaber’s formula 
I eventually found a pattern but i had to just look really hard at it for an hour
Whats that
A general formula for the sum of 1^p + 2^p + … n^p
That must be what i figured out then
👌
I mostly just compared n(n+1)/2 with manually done answers of 1 to X of N^2 until i found you could multiply the answers in the first formula i put in this message, by something like 2x+1(i forgor💀) to get the second answers
If you dont get it i can send picture of what i mewn
Yea the formula for sum of nth squares is x(x+1)(2x+1)/6
Frru1ty
Yeah thats what i got
Then with that it was pretty easy to get 1 to x^2
And then instead of doing 1 to x-1 i just did (1 to x^2) minus (1 to x) plus x^2
Just cause i didnt wanna over complicate it with summation to more than just a variable
Awesome
can someone pls make me understand why tanA=aA+bI for a 2nd order matrix and secondly, why does the eigen value satisfy this relation
define tan of a matrix D:
never seen dis
series expansion i suppose
anyways, #linear-algebra
please see #❓how-to-get-help
i doubt they will get any help in help channels but sure
they might
and if they don't
we get a reason to yell at them for
win win ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Hey, Ive probably didnt come too far in mathematics yet but I am geniunely curiosed, why do people use Mathematica over Wolfram Alpha, like Wolfram Alpha is much more friendly and from what I've seen, it can give answer to anything that Mathematica can + it gives you the step by step solution. My UNI have free Mathematica license and I am still trying to find a reason on why to use it, but even when I have free plan of Wolfram Alpha, I still prefer it over Mathematica
Mathematica provides a lot more capability than WA for more advanced math. If you know exactly what you want, you can program it in mathematica.
That would makes sense, next semester I have numerical mathematics and ODE's and I know that Maple is used there for HW and lab's, so I am concluding that for the math that is coming up for me it will be useful, anyways thanks for the explanation
Yeah
Wolfram alpha doesnt really give you fine tuned control over the kinds of things you want to do in numerical methods
I have not done any numerical related things yet but I assume its much better for controlling thins like the value of error or how is it called, step and stuff like that while using numerical methods
Yes, definitely
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sorry
didnt know
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where can i ask for help?
you can either open a help channel, a forum post or post in one of the topic channels
but you should only do one of those things
Ok where is help channel?
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