serious-discussion

[neat lintel]

I recently made an AI art joke in chill chat as well!!! Wanna hear ?

its like nokia dying

[neat lintel]

sure

wow

I have seen them irl tho. They make them using special 3D printers, because such products are unachievable with regular metal working techniques

They still expensive as hell because they can only be made with 3d printing

[neat lintel]

"I don't like it when artists say "Ai Is GoNnA tAKe OuR joBs AwaY" it's such a false and stupid statement.
One of the important and completely wrong thing it assumes is that artists have job, this is such a lie.
Ai isn't taking your job away, u don't even have job"

Lol

ye

[neat lintel]

damn

[neat lintel]

wat do u think

[neat lintel]

i know the plastic one but my friends shes amechanic uses a metal or alloy printer to make car spoilers n all

[neat lintel]

I think you need to change the surface material used for the metal ball

ye im not much of a texture artist

i hv been doing 1 model a day for practise

Right now it looks like its made of PVC 🤣, if you change it with a non-reflective metal texture it'd be better.

it must be a month now

fosure

Well I'm currently focusing on other things

i love this one

I'm already enrolled into Design uni. but right now I'm still having to finish last semester of Lyceum.

I try to follow and learn early the stuff I have to do in the first year of uni.

But it's really stressing because of all the subjects I am taking and the big exams

i hope i was attentive as u in college lol

I have 11 subjects

cool xd

study hard

or hv fun

I mean Calculus is fun (sometimes)

both maybe

[neat lintel]

dont name that

https://tenor.com/view/water-balloon-cry-boy-child-fear-gif-24749838

Well I'm taking Calc. 1\2

https://tenor.com/view/not-today-satan-not-today-bible-gif-17640112

The thing I hate is that it doesn't mix in with the Physics we're doing

Cause like I learn integrals, derivatives and all shit, but we hardly have been using them for Electromagnetism or relativity topics

cal is the worst thing

i hate it so much

[neat lintel]

hmm didnt u use that for 11 class physics

i think we use to use that

i dont remember shit

but it use to be there

The only thing I've seen is this where we used derivatives in Physics.

$Q(t)=C\cdot \Delta V \cdot\left( 1-e^{\frac{-t}{RC}} \right) \
\frac{d Q}{dt}=I(t)=\frac{\Delta V}{R}\cdot e^{\frac{-t}{RC}}$

[fathom swallow]

北京

[neat lintel]

ok bye

ptsd

wdym changes

well I dont learn it

I guess? I mean we learn magnetism, eletromagnetism and even maxwell equations, but the book hardly ever uses integrals or derivatives in problem. The formulas are also never explained where they come from.

Do you know why I think it's like this? 🤣

Because many people struggle with calculus and barely pass it.
If they also added calculus stuff into Physics twice the people would fail those

Do you think calculus is used for basic mechanics?

My uni. has a mechanics exam the second year.

I actually wonder if I’ll enjoy doing mechanics math. It’s a type of math I’ve never done in my life

No man, it’s way simpler

It’s like structural mechanics fundamentals. It’s for basics

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statically_indeterminate

Well I think it’s cool topic tho

Cause you learn about more realistic situations of objects, that are now less oversimplified. You know in HS all objects were simplified, equilibrium was only simple cases. But the real world is complex and there can be like 6 objects connected to each other each with different weigh and properties

[woven whale]

<@&268886789983436800>

[wooden flax]

well someone is not a comrade...

[neat lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/of-to-gulag-gif-19230867

[hollow kettle]

He starved millions of Ukrainians and other nations

Killed more people than German Fuhrer

[neat lintel]

he is not a gud man

gulag

[hollow kettle]

Yeah fuck stalin

[neat lintel]

He looked amazing in his youth, he should have been a musician rather than a dictator

https://tenor.com/view/marx-marxism-communism-intesifies-funny-gif-16697750

[neat lintel]

Isn't the photo somewhat faked to make stalin look good

Stalin giga chad

1900' photoshop

[hollow kettle]

Yeah he looked good

Until started to starve people to death

He killed more people than Hitler

[neat lintel]

but the first prize is still to lord mao

https://tenor.com/view/mao-zedong-hello-chat-mao-gif-22461031

[royal sail]

is there no chat channel for the vc channels

[hollow kettle]

Voice?

[surreal sapphire]

there is

they are built-in in discord for a while now

[royal sail]

oh lmfao

[cinder zephyr]

Yo

this is a bit of a weird question

but so there's this one wireframe sphere you see in the background of alot of pictures of math professors

and I remember reading some blog post about it

[jovial ember]

Alexander horned sphere?

[cinder zephyr]

anyone know what I'm talking about?

[cinder zephyr]

no it's like a statue at some institute

[jovial ember]

Oh wait that one

That’s oberwolfach

Lol

[cinder zephyr]

yes that's it

tysm

I wanna get a picture of myself at that

I made an "academic" version of my site that's modeled after what math prof's sites look like

And the really kicker would be a picture of myself at that lol

[bronze pelican]

Oberwolfach is like the Hollywood of math academia

[surreal sapphire]

for reference

also my (old) uni has

[cinder zephyr]

yea exactly lol

if I get into one of the European summer programs I applied to

I'll make the pilgrimage

and get the picture

[surreal sapphire]

its in the middle of the black forest

quite nice area

lots of hiking opportunities

[cinder zephyr]

it does looks like a pretty area

ooo hiking

[surreal sapphire]

you will have to hike to this specific area anyway

[neat lintel]

quite nice imo

[bronze pelican]

Nice beach

[wooden flax]

courtesy of @cold needle

[deep mango]

So pretty!

[wooden flax]

very cold 🥶

[deep mango]

You didn't dive in?

[neat lintel]

Enjoy. They lowered rendering distance here

Basically I breathe water

It’s also 9C• outside

Only in Ohio 💀☠️👽👽

[wooden flax]

46

nvm 39

[deep mango]

🐤

[wooden flax]

🐦

[neat lintel]

Gallus gallus domesticus

[violet wraith]

is there a useful idea of the derivative of a function space?

perhaps it's just the space of the derivatives of each element?

[wary wasp]

calculus of variations?

[odd brook]

My instinct is to mention Sobolev spaces here - before getting into that, are you familiar with Banach and Hilbert spaces?

I can't give a proper answer to exactly what you're asking here but there's a related idea I think

[violet wraith]

I'll check those out, ty

was just curious if this notion existed

[odd brook]

not quite in the sense you're imagining I think, but oftentimes the driving force behind Sobolev spaces is that they provide a "good" context in which to study partial differential equations and their solutions

when considering properties like smoothness and regularity of functions, the usual C^k spaces of k-times continuously differentiable functions weren't subtle enough to capture a lot of info and Sobolev spaces aim to mitigate this by admitting functions along with their "weak" derivatives in order to have complete function spaces with enough flexibility

[lethal mirage]

u would have frozen

[brittle socket]

Jesus, checking my earliest works, when I was less accustomed to proofs, for Enderton's Elements of Set Theory is kinda stroke inducing

[jovial ember]

Lmfao

Great news!

It won’t go away for a long time

I read stuff from late sophomore year and boy I was not goood

[void tundra]

https://twitter.com/chmonke/status/1607994533123620864?cxt=HHwWgIDUucSg39AsAAAA

Dᵇ(Monkey) Alex Scheffelin (@chmonke)

Our warrior @grassmannian got suspended for 7 days replying in my circle to me with the gay f-word. Pour one out for our most homophobic gay poaster 🍻

Twitter · Dec 28, 2022, 6:59 AM

b r u h

[void tundra]

reading my old real anal proofs be like:

[brittle socket]

[void tundra]

there are some which are actually rigorous and

some just skipped like 50 steps

[untold sapphire]

Thank god

hate that guy

[void tundra]

who

[untold sapphire]

grassmannian

[brittle socket]

I don't use twitter

[void tundra]

ah

[untold sapphire]

no i'm just kidding. i'm joshing

relax

grassmannian is great

[brittle socket]

Hi Clerk!

[untold sapphire]

lots of fun

hello grass

[brittle socket]

Oh ok

[void tundra]

grass != grassmanian

[brittle socket]

Oh boy that reminds me of how terrible my presentation and phrasing used to be...

[brittle socket]

One is real one is fake

[void tundra]

the grass field is real tho

grass theory textbook when

welp time to mute chill too

[brittle socket]

What operations of addition and multiplication does it have

[void tundra]

well

if you add 1 grass blade

and another grass blade

you get 2 grass blades

would multiplication just be reproduction lmao

[brittle socket]

Define a grass blade

[void tundra]

a grass blade is simply a set of grass cells

the set is of course a finite set

[brittle socket]

What are grass cells

[void tundra]

i failed biology :(

axiom 1: grass cells exist

[brittle socket]

No, define it set theotically or using whatever foundations you like

[brittle socket]

[void tundra]

LOL

hmm

a grass cell is just a set containing {cell wall, cell membrane, nucleus, mitochondria}

and whatever

and then define nucleus to be a set of chromosomes

[brittle socket]

I call my sets grass cells. Simply apply ZFC. Ez Q.E.D.

[void tundra]

:(

funnily enough I think dna is isomorphic to an external direct product of cyclic groups

[brittle socket]

Eventually you need to define what's an atom though

[void tundra]

well atoms are just made of

idk something

not a physicist

[brittle socket]

Don't bully me I haven't learnt algebra

[void tundra]

meanwhile: constructs real numbers

[brittle socket]

Define it mathematically then

[void tundra]

it's just a point LMAO

in R^3

[brittle socket]

[void tundra]

wait that means

grass cells are just points in R^3

wait hold up

no no they're

[brittle socket]

lmao

[void tundra]

a topological space

its a finite topological space

[brittle socket]

No buli me. I haven't learnt top

[void tundra]

neither have i oops :(

well there is some topology in R anal

[brittle socket]

~~So much stuff to learn, so little time ~~

[void tundra]

can they invent immortality

so i can learn more math

[brittle socket]

Gonna read Lee's intro to top one day... someday... hopefully

[void tundra]

munkres?

[brittle socket]

[brittle socket]

I want to read Lee's other two books in the same series as well so I'm planning to eventually start from the first, which is intro to top

[void tundra]

ahh

[brittle socket]

From what I heard munkres has quite some stuff that's not too useful, but I haven't read it so Idk

[void tundra]

which books are those btw

[brittle socket]

Introduction to Smooth Manifolds and Introduction to Riemannian Manifolds

[void tundra]

ooh nice

wait

graduate texts in mathematics moment

[brittle socket]

Lmao this reminds me of smt

[void tundra]

LPT: When on the train, make sure to read a textbook that says "graduate texts in mathematics" to show everyone that you're a big brained genius

[brittle socket]

The reason I got interested in Differential Geometry was because I was looking at integration by parts a long time ago and I was like hol' up. What is that du = something dx notation, that seems cursed.

[brittle socket]

Btw what's LPT

[void tundra]

life pro tip

[brittle socket]

Oh lmao

[jovial ember]

Lickmy pe

[brittle socket]

Chunky boi comin in

Hi chonk

[jovial ember]

The moderators have suggested I stop this joke

Munkres has theorems not useful for manifolds

[jovial ember]

Like separablity axioms

Which never will be useful since everything will always be Hausdorff

[eager reef]

Fuck those

[void tundra]

who is grassmanian and why is he suspended

[eager reef]

I hate them

[jovial ember]

Lmfao

That’s shamrock

[eager reef]

Why did shamrock get suspended

[jovial ember]

And in my circle he replied to me with the gay f-word

[eager reef]

[void tundra]

suspended from this discord?

or

[jovial ember]

(He is gay)

[odd brook]

Munkres insists on doing manifolds intrinsic to R^n iirc

[jovial ember]

No on twitter

[void tundra]

yup i saw

[brittle socket]

[void tundra]

oh

[eager reef]

Lmao

[void tundra]

ironic

doesn't twitter basically hate anyone lgbt

[jovial ember]

Eh idk

[eager reef]

No

[odd brook]

(btw for reading about smooth manifolds first I really like Tu's book)

[eager reef]

Twitter has very different sections and subcommunities

[jovial ember]

You know who does hate lgbt tho? Me

Just kidding

Chmonkey loves all

[jovial ember]

[odd brook]

Thank you chmonkey

[jovial ember]

Well except for some

Who are rabble rousers

And ruin other ppl’s day

[brittle socket]

Monke trying to get himself cancelled

[jovial ember]

:(

[void tundra]

hate the haters

wait

[static loom]

love urself

[brittle socket]

rabble rousers?

[jovial ember]

Now I’m a hater

[void tundra]

unrestricted comprehension moment

[jovial ember]

😔

[brittle socket]

Hi mow

[jovial ember]

I can never tell if it’s TTerra

Or mero

At first glance

Idk why

[brittle socket]

lmao

[static loom]

who am i

im tterra 😎 i love beaststars

[jovial ember]

You’re a gay furry

[void tundra]

proof?

[brittle socket]

[jovial ember]

He’s TTerra

[void tundra]

thats gonna need a proof

[static loom]

https://tenor.com/view/furry-fursuit-hug-hugging-hugged-gif-23061348

[jovial ember]

He died

[static loom]

me on the left

[odd brook]

Can't handle the gay furry beastars

[brittle socket]

nOoo yOu caN'T pOsT gIfS iN #serious-discussion

[void tundra]

oh

[brittle socket]

[static loom]

just did

[brittle socket]

[jovial ember]

What’s ur dog’s name

[odd brook]

her name is mocha !

[eager reef]

Isn’t that uuhh

[jovial ember]

🗿

[eager reef]

I forgor

[jovial ember]

Coffee with chocolate

And also like, a color

[eager reef]

Ah

[jovial ember]

Like hot cocoa coffee

Is a mocha

[odd brook]

She's not even that color I just thought it fit 😭

[jovial ember]

Lmao

[void tundra]

i wanna touch grass but its raining

we have a grass tho

[brittle socket]

No

[void tundra]

define touch to mean grass replied to me

therefore i touched grass

ez

[brittle socket]

[neat lintel]

hello methers

https://tenor.com/view/alert-shocked-mad-wide-eyed-gif-25048857

[amber orbit]

ttera*

[neat lintel]

Hi everyone, happy holidays! ❤️ If you know this song, let me know pls. 2:16 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TB79fG8WyQ

[tight estuary]

what's this

oh, nobody talks here for 4 hours

interesting

[woven whale]

I think I know it. do you know the song at 1:30 in this video though? https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ

[neat lintel]

Hello!

[woven whale]

no?

[tight estuary]

really

LMAO

[neat lintel]

How does my map look so far?

It feels kinda good, kinda bad to me, is it any good at all ?

[tight estuary]

what's it about?

why is there A and B?

[bronze pelican]

What are you trying to map out here

[neat lintel]

It's about how to study maths, I have been trying to make one for long time cus I want a really axiomatic, step by step approach to study maths but a lot of results I saw related this search were not axiomatic at all, people went from linear algebra to like abstract algebra without doing any foundational stuff and all
So I decided to make my own map to study maths
A is unit A, that is I soon realised I can't just say "algebra first" and do pre algebra, linear algebra, abstract algebra or just say logic and study all the logic at same time
So I divides into chunks, some algebra first, followed some geometry relating to that algebra and some basic logic and stuff until it is completed
Then I go back to logic, back to algebra, back to geometry to study some advance topics of it
That's why A and B are the units, there can be many since my map is not even close to being complete

[neat lintel]

@bronze pelican

[bronze pelican]

You can start with linear algebra

You don't need logic for linear algebra

If you're not comfortable with proofs, you can start with a introduction to proofs book

[neat lintel]

Well, but it's technically not the most step by step, axiomatic approach tho, ik I can I did do that, and it was going well but I still didn't feel like it was actually enough to understand it deeply tbh

[bronze pelican]

I don't understand what you mean

You want to derive all math from first order logic? That's stupid

[neat lintel]

No, I just need a step by step approach to study mathematics that while it is not necessary, gives me tools to understand complex concepts better

That has nothing to do with deriving everything with first order logic tho

[bronze pelican]

What do you mean by step by step

You don't need formal logic to do linear algebra

[neat lintel]

Everything is based on logic and set theory, so I will begin with logic I won't do all of logic at once I will do basics of logic
Then I will just do some basic pre Algebra and geometry
Such step by step, things where one thing is completely built on other things which I have made sure I study

[tight estuary]

I feel like it'd take you more time to create that map than to master calculus, starting with no knowledge

interesting idea though...

[bronze pelican]

A lot of what you listed is highschool math topics

[neat lintel]

I have time, I have like end of February next year dw

[bronze pelican]

But then Godel's incompleteness theorems are graduate level math

So it doesn't really make sense

[split oak]

They are?

[woven whale]

@neat lintel you're worrying too much about how to learn instead of just learning

start by reading any linear algebra book

like right now

[neat lintel]

I read some basic of those theorems in a normal discrete math textbook (Susanna Epp) , not too much
While topics I said are in highschool because that's the thing I am most familiar with

[torn willow]

This is the math equivalent of "I am gonna build my own OS"

[neat lintel]

I can't, I said I have to start from February cus I have board exams in February which are really important highschool exams since they decide which uni I get, so I barely get any free time tho enough to play around with these concepts and work on things I can do after this is over lol

[neat lintel]

I am not deriving everything from foml tho 😭😭

[split oak]

Are you in India?

[bronze pelican]

Honestly, my biggest recomendation to you is an intro to proofs book

Learn how to write proofs

Then youll be able to pick any linear algebra book and read it

[split oak]

Hmm, so you're not taking entrance exams? Which math programs take people in through board exams?

Or do you mean class 10 boards?

[neat lintel]

I am not giving any entrance exams, yes
There's a lot of personal reasons for that rather than academic but I have to drop so there isn't much point to giving anything rn I will start working on it after boards

[split oak]

Ah ok. Best of luck

[neat lintel]

Thanks ^°^

[split oak]

Are you planning on taking jee?

[neat lintel]

Yes

Not sure much tho cus I wanna go into research I am just doing it cus it is often considered hard which sounds fun ^°^

[split oak]

You do know that there are quite a few decent math programs(top tier in India) that take people exclusively through jee right?

[neat lintel]

Yes yes!! There are many, but maths isn't my main focus tho
It's chaotic but I want to study neuroscience so I am also doing bio rn which is fun
But there is no good undergrad level neuroscience program in India so I am doing bio which is closest I have to it
Maths is just one of my side interest, so those jee ones don't appeal to me much except that the exam sounds nice

[split oak]

Ah, a man of many talents

[torn willow]

Ok you sound exactly like me

[neat lintel]

It's quite sad

[split oak]

Damn it's like all the Indian dudes have gathered

[violet wraith]

I'm not indian

[neat lintel]

Do u wanna leave India cus there are no neuroscience institutes here and wanna move abroad for study but then also have this feeling of anger towards everyone cus they didn't build any that u never wanna come back like me too ?

[violet wraith]

come to the US

[split oak]

All indian dudes gathered ≠ all dudes gathered are indian

[violet wraith]

lol

[neat lintel]

I do want to one day!! Wisconsin is my favorite state but I do wanna go to USA among many other beautiful countries
It's a cute country 💞💞

[violet wraith]

lol I like how you call it cute

[solid snow]

why wisconsin lol

[neat lintel]

I don't like big cities, they are cold and chaotic
Places like Cali, NYC or even crowded places in India feel like living among many people, yet somehow being alone cus nobody cares for each other
Compare that to Wisconsin, it's a nice cute state with a lot of extrovert people where u can make friends with ur neighbour and won't be alone much and feel like u r in a small, sweet community 💞
That's why I called America cute, sometimes Americans are very enthusiastic, energetic and outgoing people which is wonderful 💞💞💞💞

I mean, wouldn't u love to talk to ur friends on a sunny morning while mowing the lawn?
That's soo awesome 💖

[torn willow]

The unironic ideal way to study math is applied math

[solid snow]

true i see where you're coming from, but wisconsin would not have been my first choice for what you're describing lol

[neat lintel]

Where am I coming from as in ?

Also, then what would be ur first choice ?

Most of my knowledge of Wisconsin comes from Charlie Berens' videos

[solid snow]

your view on it

and idk theres a lot of scenic states with smaller towns that aren't necessarily wisconsin

with more to do as well

[neat lintel]

Oh, I will visit them too ^°^ which stated are u from ?

[solid snow]

flawda

[neat lintel]

Florida is wonderful 💖

[violet wraith]

that's where I live

it's great here

[tidal stag]

What would be the integral of i?

[woven whale]

it's just a constant

[tidal stag]

Oh

What about complex numbers?

[woven whale]

do you mean integral over a function that gives a complex output?

[tidal stag]

Yes

[brittle socket]

[violet wraith]

too many mods

gmod goes offline

[fading moon]

do you think there are other math servers worth joining?

[chilly hull]

there are most likely some great math servers out there

i dont know any of them but there definitely are some

[odd brook]

I still don't know why q is so prevalent as an index like I still just say "dimension i" or "i-th coho group"

[quasi jetty]

Please read #❓how-to-get-help

[violet wraith]

idk much about function space but I have a question or two about a pretty basic concept

the concept of f(f(x)), f(f(f(x))), etc was always acceptable imo but now I'm thinking about it a little more deeply

wlog let's use the case of f(f(x)) for simplicity. if f is from a function space F, then f takes itself and sends it elsewhere. the inner f and outer f are the same function, meaning they are from the same function space, but where I'm confused is how they can be from the same function space. the domain of the inner f is something like R for example, while the domain of the outer f is F.

does this illustrate something about how we can think of R and F as being similar in any way from some high-level perspective? also, the outer f also belongs to F, and is sending elements of that same set? I feel like this is unsettling

[bronze wedge]

Usually when you look at functions on a function space, you think of linear functions. (Also: every vector space is a function space)

[violet wraith]

what implications does that have?

also how is evey vector space a function space?

[bronze wedge]

Take R^n. Each vector is a function from the set {1,...,n} to R (i.e. f(i) is the ith coordinate)

[violet wraith]

mhm

oh pk

so we consider vectors functions

because they are linear transformations?

[bronze wedge]

Linear transformations from R^n to R? Sure.

[violet wraith]

I see

is there a better reason for why vectors are functions?

or is it kind of just a definition

[bronze wedge]

Existence of a basis

[violet wraith]

ah ok

[neon silo]

if f:R->R, x -> f(x) then f(x) is just a real number and so the argument of the outer f in f(f(x)) is still a real number

[violet wraith]

so how does looking at linear functions help answer my question?

[violet wraith]

oh okay you're right

perhaps I should just ask about f(f)

or is that not a real concept

I guess now my question is, can the domain of a function be a function space? I feel like that should be possible

[bronze wedge]

Of course it could be

For instance the derivative takes in as input a differentiable function

[violet wraith]

ok perfect so my original question still holds

[violet wraith]

oh right I forgot

idk for me it's confusing to have a function send itself elsewhere

[neon silo]

function composition could be thought of as a "multiplication" of functions so if $f,g\in F$ are functions then $f\circ g$ is a new function in F if $\circ : F\times F\to F$

[fathom swallow]

Tymelord14

[violet wraith]

right

[violet wraith]

but yeah I feel like it's kind of a loop, like you take f but send it somewhere while simultaneously that's being sent somewhere else by itself

does my confusion make sense? lol

[frigid matrix]

i don’t understand your confusion

[low moon]

[violet wraith]

fuck

[frigid matrix]

ig a caveat

inner f and outer f are different sorta

outer f depends on range of inner f

[cold needle]

this is confusing

[violet wraith]

I see, so is f(f) not really allowed

[cold needle]

so f\colon R\to F is the function

?

[violet wraith]

yes

wait

oh fuck

[cold needle]

then f(f(x)) doesnt make a lot of sense

since you want f(x) \in R

[violet wraith]

hold on lemme think

[neon silo]

The function doesn't send itself anywhere, once you specify a domain then it's fixed so if $f:X\to X$ where $X$ is some set then $f$ only takes in members of $X$ as arguments. Since function composition takes two functions and returns a function we could conceivable define a new function (which is named suggestively) $f\circ(\cdot):Fun(X,X)\to Fun(X,X),~g\mapsto f\circ g$.

[fathom swallow]

Tymelord14

[cold needle]

tymelord said exactly what i was going to say

[neon silo]

[violet wraith]

lemme process this gimme a minute

oh i see

[neon silo]

$f$ and $f\circ(\cdot)$ are related but not the same function, $f\circ(\cdot)$ does what you are thinking of though

[violet wraith]

and then this can be iterated for more compositions

[fathom swallow]

Tymelord14

[violet wraith]

okay makes sense

alright tysm guys

I appreciate the help

[neon silo]

no problemo

[violet wraith]

I do definitely want to learn more functional analysis at some point, seems fascinating

[cobalt jasper]

How do I find the number of solutions to $\sum_{i=1}^n a_i = N$ where $a_i < k$? Basically just stars-and-bars with an upper bound.

Idk where to post the question above. Where should I?

[cinder zephyr]

#❓how-to-get-help

or maybe #discrete-math ?

[cobalt jasper]

Ok thanks

[pastel narwhal]

Anyone knows how to do (b)?

[cold needle]

#❓how-to-get-help

[brittle socket]

Good... good

[static loom]

ryc's a mod? 😮

[brittle socket]

Nah he's just coping

[static loom]

o ok

[void tundra]

https://youtu.be/SyD4p8_y8Kw

why have i not seen this

[brittle socket]

Even though I don't know topology that was still funny

[void tundra]

I seriously have to be a masochist my god

when I saw that the empty set and \bR are both open and closed

I was like "ah this is fine"

[ripe wasp]

when open and closed are not mutually exclusive

[void tundra]

english moment

[fading zealot]

Third installment to unintentionally found / learn about shapes series:
The Carolingian Cross is a cross made from four trefoil knots.

[neat lintel]

@fading zealot Are you a design or art student as well?

I really like this geometry and I plan to implement it in some of my Design since that's what I do

https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.9b2a844f047597da67e387632da227b9?rik=AcxmVVCKJSLMaw&pid=ImgRaw&r=0

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/0a/b1/f4/0ab1f45860382b17cbfad6cf88c0008e--ceramic-art-waves.jpg

[fading zealot]

I'm a computer science student and is quite intriged by simple mathematical objects and the complex beauty they could form when coming together in certain patterns

[neat lintel]

Happy holidays! Can you recognize this song pls? 2:16 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TB79fG8WyQ

[brittle socket]

Didn't you post this earlier in the day

[odd brook]

Mostly techno as of late but I've been into electronica for a while so my tastes shift back and forth

A lot of dnb as well which I got into through like, old youtube channels and some artists I still follow

and a bunch of more ambient-oriented electronic like stars of the lid, tangerine dream, etc

that's awesome

what other artists are you into !

oh hell yeah

half of my music listening at one point consisted of regis, burial, basic channel, and a couple others LMAO

like portishead, sweet trip, probably cocteau twins and tim hecker as well

yeah I can't listen to them anymore

but at one time they were my absolute favorites

yeah, harmony in ultraviolet especially is super important to me

mirages is lovely

I think my first was virgins? but I remember I got into him circa releasing konoyo

LOL

if I had to pick a second fav it'd be ravedeath tbh

I was going to ask if you happened to have rym LMAO

here's mine one sec

https://rateyourmusic.com/~postauri

a lot of mine is outdated and I slap 4/5s on everything because I use it more to catalog than anything and I don't believe in assigning numbers in general

also a bunch of my ratings are singles it's honestly a mess but I think my 5s summarize my taste pretty well

mm that makes sense

that also makes a lot of sense

I don't strongly differentiate between 4.5 and 5 anyway I just like having exactly 50 because that's two clean pages

ooh awesome will do !!

wowww nice to see block control EP in their favorites ahaha that one is so old I love it

skimming this tracklist now these are exceptional picks

nice to see gyrofield :D

I've known her for a bit she's awesome

I remember hearing superheat for the first time and I was like

god please release this

ridiculously good tune

billain is amazing

this reminds me I still need to check out that recent vision comp

I've only heard the monuman tune which I loved

preamble is crazy

ultra and inflict are incredible as well

[ripe wasp]

is the lagrangian in the context of lagrange multipliers $\mathcal{L}(x,\lambda_1,\ldots, \lambda_n)=f(x)+\sum \lambda_i g_i(x)$ or $\mathcal{L}(x,\lambda_1,\ldots,\lambda_n)=f(x)-\sum \lambda_i g_i(x)$?

[fathom swallow]

sean

[ripe wasp]

i see both being used

i.e in boyd it says

wikipedia says

[river moon]

if the problem involves inequality constraint the sign absolutely does matter (although not that significantly), if there's only equality constraints then it doesn't matter

[ripe wasp]

oh okay

thanks that's very helpful

[river moon]

I write with the plus because the commonly accepted standard form problem is that you have f_i(x) <= 0 and h_i(x) = 0, then lambda*f_i would have to be zero by complementarity and lambda >=0, the sign of the multiplier on the equality constraint doesn't matter so the plus just looks nicer

if you were to write -lambda * f_i(x) when f_i(x) <=0 that would imply lambda <= 0

[ripe wasp]

ah that's fair

thanks for the insight

[neat lintel]

This calculus book is pretty nice.

It starts the Integrals chapter by definind Riemann sums, then definite integrals

[gusty star]

I'm about to start doing this worksheet, if anyone is interested in joining me. https://pages.uoregon.edu/belias/Classes/607-fall-2021/Exercises.pdf

[neat frost]

This one?

Did you just add \quad or something?

Anyway yeah ig it doesn't really make much sense for them to restrict you to only 2

Would've been pretty easy to change this I think

Yeah makes sense

All alignment environments are pretty much related

[woven lichen]

mathematics = magic

change my mind

[woven whale]

mathemagic

[violet wraith]

I has quostion

so we can represent operations as functions, like + as +:R×R→R

what about the union

what's the domain of the union

there isn't a set of all sets

would I just define a specific collection of sets

would it be our "universe"?

[storm sage]

I don't think taking the union is a function for the reason you said

[violet wraith]

oh

then what is it

isn't it an operator?

because operators are basically functions

[storm sage]

I guess it's just the set whose existence is guaranteed by the axiom of union

[violet wraith]

oh I see

[brittle socket]

`Yeah the union is not a function or relation

The union axiom basically tells you that given a set A, U A exists

You should join me and read Enderton's Elements of Set Theory

jk

[violet wraith]

what prerequisites does that have lmao

[brittle socket]

Practically none

[violet wraith]

hmmm

might be an interesting offer

[brittle socket]

You just need to be determined to sit through it, as with any math textbook

[violet wraith]

I haven't read an entire math textbook all the way through

[brittle socket]

I meant it in the sense that some theorems and exercises will take some time

[violet wraith]

I see

[brittle socket]

In fact, its probably one of the easiest intros to axiomatic set theory, no need for much mathematical maturity. Unlike some other books like Jech's undergrad set theory book

Lol its actually my first real math book

[violet wraith]

oh there are pdfs online

[brittle socket]

Yeah

[violet wraith]

I see

have you read a lot of it already?

[tall badge]

using lowercase letters for sets

[violet wraith]

pain

[brittle socket]

Started reading it because I was curious about axiomatic set theory, cardinals and ordinals

[brittle socket]

Im going to start on the chapter of cardinals once I finish checking my past proofs. I completed chapters 1-5 already

[violet wraith]

oh you're over halfway lol

well I can still give it a shot

[brittle socket]

Almost halfway, not quite there yet

[violet wraith]

ah ok

[brittle socket]

Try it out if you want hehe

[violet wraith]

😄

[brittle socket]

Come join my suffering

[violet wraith]

why does discord convert my emoticons into emojis smh

[brittle socket]

Put a backslash first

[violet wraith]

is it bad? lol

[brittle socket]

Nah I was joking

[violet wraith]

:D

oh there we go

[brittle socket]

Yeah

[violet wraith]

ty

[brittle socket]

np :)

[neat lintel]

U can turn it off if u r on pc or web

It's in settings

[violet wraith]

I remembered that but couldn't find it on mobile

pain

[neat lintel]

Because it's not on mobile

It's only in pc & web

[violet wraith]

pain

[brittle socket]

In my defense i was following Enderton for that smol b

[violet wraith]

fixed

[storm sage]

isn't using lower case letters for sets we want to think of as objects and upper case letters for sets we want to think of as sets of sets conventional?

[tall badge]

in this case b is regarded both as an object in A and a set of sets

to fix this i propose a middle ground noone will like, using chinese characters eg 中

[brittle socket]

[odd brook]

One time my friend used a hieroglyph for a variable

[hybrid quest]

Bushels of weat

[gaunt swallow]

Is this a good map for studying math [ Arithmetic, Pre algebra, Algebra I, Algebra II, Algebra III integrated, Geometry/trigonometry, Pre calculus, Calculus I Calculus II Calculus III]

any recommendation Tweaks

pre requisites

[solid snow]

what is algebra 3 integrated

everything here is a repeat

pretty much

[gaunt swallow]

it's a new set that emphasizes more on Algebra II but it's probably just repeat

But algebra is esssential

to master

all the practice

will help

later on.

At least so I hope

[brittle socket]

You might wanna learn some LA first depending on how deep your calc III class goes

[neat lintel]

What is LA?

[brittle socket]

linear algebra

[brittle socket]

When you guys self-study math, do you normally check your work (i.e. answers and proofs) afterwards like one or a couple chapters later?

[green sparrow]

i check as soon as im done with the problem

[proud olive]

A city in California

[brittle socket]

Yeah I do too, but do you check it again after some time?

Im checking all my work again right now after a couple chapters but it kinda is boring lol, so I wanted to see if you guys' think its worth the effort in your experience

[brittle socket]

Even better

hehe boi

Will we get 0 mods?

[violet wraith]

unfortunate

3 mods rn

I shall remain offline

[proud olive]

Soon

[neat frost]

2, ryc doesn't count

[deep mango]

Why don't I count

[woven whale]

as we all know you're a "mod", but not a mod mod

[deep mango]

[neat frost]

Exactly

[deep mango]

I don't know what that means

[brittle socket]

cope

[proud olive]

It means ur too scared to mute grass

obvs

[long matrix]

ryc antagonization. yayy

[deep mango]

Have fun

[harsh lion]

😠

ryc is a mod

[analog hedge]

hi

[violet wraith]

ryc should just sit there and be cute, he shouldn't be mod

what type of object is a differential? is it its own thing? from what set does it come from? what's it's definition?

[wild ravine]

abstract object

[violet wraith]

isn't it a sort of operator too? since it operates on functions and variables

[vivid halo]

differential as in like df for some function f?

e.g. dx

[violet wraith]

yes

[vivid halo]

in general if you have a smooth manifold X and f is a smooth function on X then df is a section of the cotangent bundle T*X of X

T*X is the bundle of 1-forms on X, df is an example of a 1-form

[violet wraith]

I know everything except cotangent bundles

[vivid halo]

dual of tangent bundle

[violet wraith]

idk anything about bundles

is this a diff geo concept

[vivid halo]

do you know about the tangent space at a point

and yeah this is diff geo

[violet wraith]

a bit

[vivid halo]

if X is a smooth manifold and x is a point then you have the tangent space T_xX of X at x

this is literally the vector space of tangent vectors to that point

[violet wraith]

oh I see

[vivid halo]

as the point varies you can glue these together smoothly

and get a bundle TX->X

whose fiber over a point x of X is T_xX

[violet wraith]

alright

[vivid halo]

the cotangent bundle is what you get if you do the same thing but gluing together the dual spaces of these tangent spaces

[violet wraith]

alright makes sense

[vivid halo]

so a section to the cotangent bundle gives you an assignment of points of X to functionals on tangent vectors

the way you would evaluate this is like

e.g. if you had the 1-form dx on R^2, you can evaluate this at 0 on a basis of tangent vectors d/dx and d/dy say at the origin, then dx(d/dx)=1 and dx(d/dy)=0

[violet wraith]

d/dx is a tangent vector?

[vivid halo]

yeah

[violet wraith]

how so

[vivid halo]

there are several equivalent definitions of a tangent vector

one of those definitions is in terms of literal tangent vectors to curves going through a given point

another is in terms of differential operators or derivations on the algebra of smooth functions

[violet wraith]

oh ok

so is d/dx a tangent vetor basically by definition

[vivid halo]

if you're taking derivations to be the definition of tangent vector then yeah

[violet wraith]

makes sense

[vivid halo]

otherwise you just have to do a little work to see how you can go back and forth between these two definitions

basically the point is such a thing gives you a notion of directional derivative

[violet wraith]

oh yeah this concept is familiar

how this stuff gives rise to directional derivatives

[vivid halo]

if you have a tangent vector in the literal sense then this is telling you in which direction you are differentiating, but if you have some notion of directional derivative then this had better be a differential operator or a derivation

[violet wraith]

I learned some diff forms

I'll be back one minute

so pretty much df can be thought of as an operator that maps the fuction to a section of T*X

is this a correct summary? @vivid halo

[vivid halo]

err d does this

it sends the function f to this section df of T*X

[violet wraith]

oh yeah my mistake

ok cool

[vivid halo]

if we suggestively write \Omega^0(X) for functions on X and \Omega^1(X) for 1-forms on X

then you get a map d:\Omega^0(X)->\Omega^1(X)

in general you get maps like d:\Omega^i(X)->\Omega^{i+1}(X)

with dd=0

[violet wraith]

what operations can we do with them? I'm aware that you can add them, multiply them together, and multiply them by other functions; anything else?

[violet wraith]

oh I see

[vivid halo]

yeah so \Omega^1(X) becomes a module over \Omega^0(X) so you can add 1-forms together and multiply them by functions

[violet wraith]

we cant really divide differentials so how do they turn into derivatives

[vivid halo]

the way they turn into derivatives is by pairing them with tangent vectors

so like the way we paired dx with d/dx or d/dy

like in general if you write down what this pairing of vectors and covectors is doing in some choice of basis

the coefficients in the expression will involve derivatives in the usual sense

[violet wraith]

I see

that's cool

i find strong interest in this kind of stuff

if I had more time I'd love to pick up a book on diff forms or diff geo

thanks for your help :)

[dark wharf]

Anyone know website design really well? I’m having issues with my domain causing a “not secure” message to pop up on certain browsers encouraging the user not to enter any sensitive information including payment cards… which is the whole point of my site…

[merry hedge]

Hacer hacer

[eager reef]

that's probably not design related

but certificate

[dark wharf]

Well i’m using square space and it should already have an SSL certificate but for some reason it isn’t???

yea that’s what’s weird lol. I’m trying to contact their customer support rn

[woven whale]

why are you trying to reinvent the wheel

[dark wharf]

???

[woven whale]

why are you making your own payment site

[dark wharf]

I’m not

[woven whale]

what?

squarespace is just a website builder

[dreamy cloud]

hey yo peeps

[woven whale]

lmao then

[neat lintel]

That's nice ^°^ good luck on ur website
https://support.squarespace.com/hc/en-us/articles/205815898-Understanding-SSL-certificates
Square space does have an article on it you can read on, good luck on ur website stev ^°^

[dreamy cloud]

joined up in here to help some peeps

[dark wharf]

Awesome thank you. This is great.

[neat lintel]

💝

[dark wharf]

Well i did absolutely nothing but all of a sudden it is secure… wild…

Thanks all!

[neat lintel]

That's nice ^°^

[woven whale]

@topaz swift are you V.Ch.?

[jaunty raft]

how do I answer this ?

[chilly hull]

#❓how-to-get-help

or #computing-software (i think)

[vast surge]

I'm seriously afraid that I'm not going to be able to graduate

Just due to stupid bullshit

[violet wraith]

like what

[vast surge]

My advisor's placed a hold on me registering for classes until I declare a minor

[violet wraith]

then declare a minor

[vast surge]

But to declare a minor I need to pick a professor to be my minor advisor

And the only CS professor I know retired, and wasn't taking on new advisees

[violet wraith]

oh

[vast surge]

I'll be in a few CS classes next semester if I can register, which would let me meet new CS professors and pick one to choose to declare my minor with

But I can't do that if this hold on my ability to register isn't lifted

[violet wraith]

wait so your school requires you to have a minor? and you have advisors for your minor?

[vast surge]

Yes

[violet wraith]

thats dumb

[violet wraith]

weird

[vast surge]

And that's just one of, like, 3 situations like that that I'm in where cycles of administrative bullshit are getting in my way

[violet wraith]

great!

[vast surge]

So anyway I'm continuing to apply for PhDs anyway even though I might be fucked and not able to even take classes next semester let alone graduate

(well in theory that's what I'm doing, in practice my executive functioning is so bad that I'm not actually doing that)

Because I basically need adderall in order to have decent executive functioning but I need an adhd diagnosis to get adderall but I need better executive functioning to get around to setting up an appointment...

[violet wraith]

you can't set up an appointment?

[vast surge]

Well I tried sending an email to set up an appointment a few days ago and haven't heard back yet, but that's exceptional; I normally write an email and panic over making it perfect and then it sits in my drafts folder and then I forget

[jovial ember]

Bruh

[vast surge]

Is my life the plot of a college au catch-22 fanfic? Maybe.

[undone wren]

Why did you do adderall when your brain was fine?

[vast surge]

It well and truly was not. I was barely functioning, and a friend suggested I try it, and so when I had access to a dealer I was able to do well, but my dealer is super fucking sketchy and scares the shit out of me so I want to get a proper diagnosis, and we're not in touch anymore

[undone wren]

Are you from america? That's the only place i can think of where it's soo easy getting drugs

[vast surge]

I'm currently in America, yes.

But there's way easier places to get drugs than America

[undone wren]

How was your productivity studying before and after taking adderall?

[vast surge]

Before it was kind of terrible. But also it was largely the little things that fucked me up; I wouldn't start projects or homeworks, or I'd let it build up for weeks, or even when I'd do my homework I just wouldn't turn it in. When I tried it I was actually able to do shit. Afterwards I'm basically back to what I was earlier.

[topaz swift]

Yes, why?

[violet wraith]

the only thing you have to say in your follow up is:

I haven't heard back in a few days. Do you have any availability this week? I look forward to your response.

Best Regards,
[Name]```

[vast surge]

It varies a lot day-by-day and based on mood, though, which when I was on adderall was very much not the case.

When I was productive I was very productive though.

But then the slightest distraction could ruin my concentration for like 2 days

[violet wraith]

what the fuck

that's severely bad

can't you call someone to set up an appt if emailing gives you trouble

^

[vast surge]

A fire-drill had me nonfunctioning for like a week. Not even in terms of productivity, in terms of being able to even get out of bed and go about my day.

[violet wraith]

no fucking way

[undone wren]

I had a similar issue when i was younger but the issue is was that i wasted all my mental energy in dumb stuff like videogames, dronning in youtube watching random videos, etc. Once i quit all that i was reasonable consisten with my studies, studying about 2 hours every day

[vast surge]

But I think that might be more of an autism thing

[violet wraith]

do you live with anyone?

[vast surge]

I don't do videogames or youtube videos. I sit down and stare at a fucking blank piece of paper for hours on end.

[vast surge]

During the semester but my housemates are away for the break

[violet wraith]

well when they're here, tell them to keep you in check

[undone wren]

Don't you get bored when that happens or you think you are working?

[vast surge]

I do not think that I am working and it is intensely boring. So after like 2 hours of trying to force myself to work and maybe, at most, getting a sentence down I'll get up and go for a walk or a bite to eat or something

Eliminating distractions doesn't make me more productive. At best it makes me turn to other distractions, at worst it just means that I do nothing.

[violet wraith]

you need motivation

you need to find things that motivate you to work

[vast surge]

I am very motivated. It's not an issue of motivation.

[violet wraith]

oh

it's just distractionsn

[vast surge]

Like, I want to do my PhD applications

[violet wraith]

maybe work with a friend

who can keep you in check

[vast surge]

They're all gone for the break

[violet wraith]

well then idk

[undone wren]

I'm very slow when it comes to studying, sometimes i spend an hour or two just trying to understand a page of some book

[vast surge]

That's a typical pace

If it's a sufficiently advanced math book

If you're actively working on it

My problem is I'll have it out in front of me and often not be actively working on it

It will just be there and I will be completely unable to concentrate

[undone wren]

Yeah i gotta work every exercise even when they are not exercises given by the autor to solve, it's just a thing i have

When i'm unable to solve some exercise i have it for days in my mind

[vast surge]

That's not a problem nor is it being slow. That's just doing extra work, more than is required of you.

That's me on a good day

[undone wren]

Anyways, i know some people that do modafinil instead of adderall, i'm not recommending it but maybe it works for you

[vast surge]

I looked it up, you also need a prescription from a doctor to get it

[undone wren]

Ah, right

I take a lot of caffeine too when studying but in the form of mate which is some tea from south america

Some people smoke but i don't think smoking will give you the spark you need

[vast surge]

Weed doesn't help me, and I already go through a pack of cigarettes maybe once a week. It helps me sober up if I've had too much to drink, but otherwise has no real effect on me.

Also helps me if I get the shakes, actually

[woven whale]

I found you on MSE

[undone wren]

Are you shaking uncontrollably as well? Brutal

[vast surge]

Not often but I do sometimes get anxiety attacks

[topaz swift]

Well yes, I linked a question of mine on the adv-num-theory channel

[undone wren]

Is it stress or has it always been like that?

[topaz swift]

Or did you just randomly happen upon it?

[woven whale]

I randomly stumbled upon a post and knew it was you

[topaz swift]

Interesting. Was it because I posted part of the same question in the algebra channel recently?

[woven whale]

yes

[vast surge]

It's definitely a recent thing. I think it's partially stress but certainly not entirely.

[topaz swift]

To be expected. We actually have something in common, I also study in Germany. However I am not a schoolchild, as I understand you are. Which uni are you taking your courses at?

[vast surge]

Actually I get the shakes mostly when I have a crush

[woven whale]

ruhr uni bochum

[vast surge]

Love is an anxiety disorder

[undone wren]

A crush? As in when you think of someone you like?

[topaz swift]

Very cool that you're doing that as a (12th, is it?)-former.

[woven whale]

I'm in 10th grade

[topaz swift]

Bah, even better.

I hear Scholze was the same.

How's RUB? I'm thinking about potential master's unis.

[woven whale]

the mathematics building is being renovated

so math stuff is spread across other buildings

[topaz swift]

BTW gimme an upvote, I'm not getting any answers so far.

[woven whale]

such as the engineering ones

and physics/chemistry

[undone wren]

Never had a crush in uni, everybody in my course are autistic men (i'm probably one) and one or two women with personality disorders

[topaz swift]

I was asking more about the faculty rather than the facilities.

[vast surge]

As in, like, increased heart rate, loss of coordination, lightheadedness, shakes caused by someone in particular, obsessive thoughts about that person (often of a sexual or romantic nature), etc.

[woven whale]

oh uh idk

[topaz swift]

IKTF

[undone wren]

Ah, right

[woven whale]

I'm not that involved in those things

[undone wren]

@topaz swift what's iktf?

[topaz swift]

How many courses do you take, do you manage well with your schoolwork?

[vast surge]

My department is bizarrely neurotypical and I am the most autistic, so I kind of envy your position

[topaz swift]

"i know that feel", aka i am familiar with this situation

[undone wren]

Ah, right

@vast surge most people in computer science are like that

In math and physics they are more social

[topaz swift]

Seriously, it's a fucking blight (at my uni at least), all the courses I've taken have been sausage parties. If there are any girls, they all study Lehramt, i.e. to be certified gymnasium teachers.

[topaz swift]

The CS guys at my uni all look like stereotypical Simpsons nerds with glasses, long hair tied in ponytails, speech impediments, and bad hygiene.

[vast surge]

My school's CS department is more neurotypical than the math department. At least we get our fair share of "women with personality disorders" as you eloquently put it; the CS department are just... The opposite of the math/CS stereotype, basically.

[undone wren]

Weird

[vast surge]

My school just doesn't have those stereotypical nerds, I think

[topaz swift]

@vast surge two questions:

1. The cover of what book is your avatar? I remember it was a French CA textbook, but I don't remember the title. There is no English translation afaik, right?
2. What kind of fantasy lit do you read?

[undone wren]

Herr we have a bit of everything but that's because the uni i go to is the biggest in the country, probably top 3 in size in the continent

[vast surge]

There might be one or two in the econ department, but most of that department are frat bros who plan to work for daddy's company as an executive once they graduate

[vast surge]

1. I can't remember the book (a friend sent it to me a while ago), but you're right that there's no English translation that I know of. I can look around for it.
2. All sorts. Recently I've been going through a bit of a Michael Moorcock phase (when I still had nitro my banner image was a picture of Immryr the Dreaming City).

[topaz swift]

1. Please do, I want to DL the original image, it's fucking brilliant.
2. Have you read Elric? I was thinking of getting into it.

[vast surge]

I also read the first couple of Weiss and Hickman's Deathgate Cycle recently, but I'm not sure if I'll finish it.

Yeah, Elric is amazing

The writing style can be... Difficult, at times, but the story itself and the ideas in it are incredible

[topaz swift]

I had a big fantasy phase couple of years ago when I first got into the genre, having only read HP and LotR as a kid. I've kind of slowed down recently and nothing has been able to keep my attention, which is why I've been reading Conan stories recently (the bite-sized chunks are a positive).

[vast surge]

Before you ask, no, I don't have a crush on your mother, she's just an easy shag.

[topaz swift]

This sounds like Bakker to me, are you familiar with Prince of Nothing aka Second Apocalypse?

[vast surge]

I am not. I'll need to look it up

A fair warning about Elric, it's super hard to find the books, and the reading order is also hard to figure out.

[topaz swift]

It is the most absurd and extreme fantasy series I have ever read.

[vast surge]

It's not weird to sleep with your mom, everyone's doing it

[topaz swift]

Have you read First Law? Big fan of that.

[vast surge]

Not yet. I've heard mixed things though.

Some say that it's really, really good, but some say that it's like a lot of later grimdark in that it's edgy just to be edgy and would be better if it was toned down.

[topaz swift]

It gets a little repetitive sometimes, but the writer is very self-aware in a good, non-Deadpooly way.

[vast surge]

Honestly I read more fantasy before I started college. I just haven't had the time these past few years.

[topaz swift]

He knows what he's writing and how to deliver to the audience. I don't think it's edgy for edginess sake at all, just ebcause the story if violent.

[topaz swift]

Same.

[vast surge]

Rothfuss' The Name of the Wind is really good though. When I read it I think I read it in like two or three days, so it's also good if you don't have much going on

[topaz swift]

It was one of the first things I read.

[vast surge]

Oh, I've also recently read all the Hellboy and B.P.R.D. and Abe Sapien comics

[topaz swift]

I liked the University setting, even if it was a little of Hogwarts ripoff.

[vast surge]

It was better than Hogwarts, in my opinion, but I'm also just not a big Harry Potter fan so maybe that's just me

HP fanfiction tends to be better than the HP books themselves, and lots of HP fanfiction just sucks

[topaz swift]

And I really like the concepts of sympathetic and naming magic, the story's framing device and its overall theme of semiotics and historiography.

But Kvothe is a fucking obnoxious protagonist.

And don't get me started on the Della romance.

And how book 2 goes completely off the rails.

With thick ninja mommy gf's and faerie sex goddesses.

[topaz swift]

Jesus WHAT was he thinking with this.

[vast surge]

Book 2 is a little bizarre at times, yeah.

[topaz swift]

Manifestly he wasn't, all the blood rushed elsewhere.

[vast surge]

But I actually kind of like Kvothe as a protagonist (though not as a person), and the Della romance was... Well, it wasn't good per se, but it certainly wasn't unrealistic.

[topaz swift]

I like when Kvothe's arrogance gets the better of him, that shows some self-awareness on Rothfuss' part, the problem is most of the time it doesn't and he's just perfect at everything

[vast surge]

Like, Kvothe is an interesting protagonist to follow and character to read about, but I'd kind of hate the guy if I interacted with him.

[topaz swift]

Do you remember the famed cuck passage?

[vast surge]

He's telling a story to another guy. A lot of that he's perfect stuff just feels like it's that.

[vast surge]

I do not. It's been a while.

[topaz swift]

See, this could be argued, that he's an unreliable narrator, but the problem is there is not enough (iirc) in the text to support this.

I do like punished older Kvothe.

[vast surge]

There is a literal framing device where Kvothe establishes himself as a storyteller with a tendency to embellish. It could not be more obvious that he's an unreliable narrator.

[topaz swift]

It's a meme on /lit/.

Jesus, this image was huge.

I thought the server choked on it.

https://i.warosu.org/data/lit/img/0141/91/1574121051832.jpg

[vast surge]

Yeah, I remember this. As I said, it's not a particularly healthy romance, but it's well-written and realistic. Like, Kvothe's an obnoxious jealous sadboy about it, but I like it.

[topaz swift]

I did not remember the embellishment part, maybe you're right. Still, it makes for a grating reading experience, even if you know it to be false.

Have you read any John Gwynne? Was thinking of trying that too.

Or Gene Wolfe.

[vast surge]

I've not heard of John Gwynne, but I've been meaning to read Gene Wolfe.

Oh the absolute best fantasy series of all time by the way

Memory, Sorrow and Thorn by Tad Williams

It might be absolute perfection.

[tribal jay]

Il y a un français

[topaz swift]

I've heard the author's name, but I am not familiar with the series, I'll check it out.

Do check out First Law, the first trilogy is universally acknowledged to be very good.

And Prince of Nothing, if you want the A Serbian Film equivalent of fantasy.

[vast surge]

Have you read this? (Or even seen the cover): https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/58951933-wergen

Nominated for an Arthur C Clarke award, with a blurb by N. K. Jemison, and near-universal acclaim on goodreads.

And it has that cover, and that title, and is about aliens who are romantically obsessed with humans

I found out about it the other day and it's quickly jumped near the top of my to-read list

I feel like that would have just tipped it too far into absurdity where it's obvious the cover is bad on purpose

[rapid fjord]

what is that 😭

[vast surge]

As it is I can't tell if it's just a bad cover or an intentionally bad cover.

[vast surge]

Yohan's autobiography.

[rapid fjord]

i'm just wondering if the aliens are cgi

[topaz swift]

Nope, but the cover is quality work.

[vast surge]

No, those are real aliens

[rapid fjord]

explain

[vast surge]

So there are aliens

And someone had a camera

And took a photo of them for the cover of this book

[topaz swift]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/002/398/357/14e.gif

You'd be surprised, but not everything is CGI.

[rapid fjord]

i just can't imagine living in a world with actual extraterrestrial activity

[topaz swift]

Actually, I lied, in the above case it is CGI, very advanced mocap work.

[vast surge]

There is definitely extraterrestrial activity. NASA does a bunch; they send all sorts of things into extraterrestrial space.

[topaz swift]

https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/2398372-cat-whips-it-nae-nae-cat

(the bot is not letting me post the pic, lol)

[rapid fjord]

only thing i know are the robots they send up there

[vast surge]

I mean yeah that's most of it

They also have some cameras and telescopes

And a metal plaque

With naked people on it and a map of where to find Earth

[rapid fjord]

a human in a cat costume and a green screen

that just threw all that science shit out the window

but it's a good theory though

[vast surge]

Honestly I want to make a comeback but I can't think of anything better than this xkcd: https://xkcd.com/502/

xkcd: Dark Flow

The Pioneer anomaly is due to the force of my love.

[topaz swift]

@vast surge bro did you find the ComAlg textbook?

[rapid fjord]

why is that kinda sad