serious-discussion

[vale sapphire]

how about 1x1

[vast surge]

#❓how-to-get-help

[vale sapphire]

shit onnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

how to get shit bitches

ssssssssssssss

[light needle]

i think u broke em zorn

[narrow thicket]

it's the limit of x^2+3x+2/x^2−1 when x goes to infinity

[vast surge]

I broke your mom

Does that mean he's coming back from the gas station sometime soon?

[fair mural]

that’s not really that much i would say

i have like 500 hours on a game i’ve played for like 5 months

[silver meteor]

thats good

[balmy maple]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKg_gVagHy8&ab_channel=MathematicalVisualProofs

the music is making me fucking lose it

"free clash of clans gems (WORKING 2012)" type beat

[proud olive]

neat video, but yeah the music just completely ruins it

[arctic cairn]

Does x^2 count as a variable

[river moon]

yes

x^2 + x^4 is a quadratic polynomial in terms of x^2, because by substitution t = x^2 you can see it's equivalent to t + t^2

[torn willow]

Never let your son choose the music

[balmy maple]

I'd like to clarify that by "making me fucking lose it" I meant trying to hold in a laugh at the library

I have never been more engaged with studying, hats off to his son

[neat lintel]

ain't no way that music ain't ironic loooool. I think dude like just made this video and then for music he just wanted to show off what music he listens to because if you don't like it seems you can mute it without losing anything

sometimes when I make videos on YouTube demoing some program I coded I leave my music running in the background if I know it won't be copyrighted

[torn willow]

The guy just asked his son to suggest music

and this is what his son gave

[serene rover]

Content is fine tbh

[deep mango]

Loool

[brittle socket]

Hi ricey

[deep mango]

Hello grass

[brittle socket]

Two of my books will be arriving in two weeks time

Then my copy of Schroder is gonna come late jan

[deep mango]

Exciting

[arctic cairn]

I see

[wooden flax]

dopium

[severe swallow]

has anyone else in here tried to talk with chatgpt about math?

[rocky shuttle]

As an artificial intelligence, I do not have the ability to participate in online communities or join Discord servers. However, I am able to answer questions about math and provide information and explanations on a wide range of mathematical concepts. If you have a specific question about math that you would like to ask me, I would be happy to try to help. Just let me know what you would like to know, and I will do my best to provide a helpful and accurate response.

[rocky shuttle]

While it can be helpful to ask for help when you are struggling with a math problem or concept, it is also important to try to work through problems and challenges on your own as much as possible. This can help you to develop your problem-solving skills and deepen your understanding of the material.

[neat frost]

Can chatgpt do TeX?

[rocky shuttle]

Sure

[neat frost]

Omg okay

Ask it for a macro which creates lists in TeX

Start with something easy

[severe swallow]

humanity has been working on it for 40 years, I only know how to prove a sqrt log bound

now tell me fake AI

what is the answer

[neat frost]

Xan has left us. Chatgpt is dead.

[severe swallow]

chatgpt is alive and well

it's currently trying to give me an asymptotic bound for the expected injective norm of a gaussian tensor

[languid haven]

Do they just tell you the answer

I'm not tryna have a tutor rn

[severe swallow]

yesn't. It provides a proof, but sometimes the proof is inacurrate lmao

[neat frost]

No

[rocky shuttle]

a bit lengthy answer

[neat frost]

NO

that's not what I MEANT

[rocky shuttle]

[neat frost]

I meant a list like in programming

Indexable etc

Okay how about a macro which gets the length of a string?

See how it can fuck that one up

[severe swallow]

you know, I'm somehow more impressed by the fact that the AI produces me wrong proofs instead of saying it doesn't know.

[rocky shuttle]

I had to do some conversation with it first

[neat frost]

Is there more to the code?

[rocky shuttle]

\newcommand{\mystringlength}[1]{%
\countchars{#1}%
}

\newcommand{\countchars}[1]{%
\countcharshelp{#1}\0
}

\newcommand{\countcharshelp}[1]{%
\ifx\0#1\relax\else\advance\mycharcount 1\countcharshelp\fi
}
\newcount\mycharcount

[neat frost]

Omg

[languid haven]

Bruh the math people not even helping

[neat frost]

Hmm

Not quite I don't think

[rocky shuttle]

I'm on my phone and too lazy to copy the whole answer

Do it yourself smh

It is entertaining though

[neat frost]

Yeah it doesn't work, but it is close

\newcommand{\mystringlength}[1]{%
  \countchars{#1}%
}

\newcommand{\countchars}[1]{%
  \countcharshelp#1\0
}

\newcommand{\countcharshelp}[1]{%
  \ifx\0#1\let\next=\relax\else\def\next{\advance\mycharcount 1\countcharshelp}\fi\next
}
\newcount\mycharcount

\mystringlength{hello}
\the\mycharcount

[neat frost]

I altered it a bit

\countchars is unnecessary, but otherwise it's pretty close

[rocky shuttle]

[neat frost]

This is actually really cool damn

,ctan stringstrings

[fathom swallow]

stringstrings – String manipulation for cosmetic and programming application

The package provides a large and sundry set of macros for the manipulation of strings. The macros are developed not merely for cosmetic application (such as changing the case of letters and string substitution), but also for programming applications such as character look-ahead, argument parsing, conditional tests on various string conditions, etc. The macros were designed all to be expandable (note that things such as \uppercase and \lowercase are not expandable), so that the macros may be strung together sequentially and nested (after a fashion) to achieve rather complex manipulations.
​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ Sources: /macros/latex/contrib/stringstrings
Documentation: README, Package documentation
​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ Version: 1.24
​ Contained in: TeX Live as stringstrings, MiKTeX as stringstrings
​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ Topics: Text manip
​ ​ ​ ​ ​ See also: getargs
Read more at CTAN page of the package.

[neat frost]

Got that right too

[rocky shuttle]

A bit unbelievable and eerie

[neat frost]

Yeah it's really cool how accurate it is

Also why was it so sudden?

There was no buildup, they just released chatgpt one day it seems

[rocky shuttle]

It will turn out that technology is already that advanced and half of the people here are AIs

[neat frost]

Beep boop?

[severe swallow]

what a casual scrub smh, artificial intelligence, more like artificial stupidity amirite?

[rocky shuttle]

@neat frost btw it doesn't only speak English, any questions you have in your language?

[neat frost]

English is my language

[rocky shuttle]

...ok

[neat frost]

Like I was born in the US I just moved

But yeah sure

[rocky shuttle]

I see

[neat frost]

מה דעתך על הממשלה הנוכחית?

What's your native language Xan?

[neat frost]

Just a typo dw

[rocky shuttle]

ChatGPT should make more typos to pass the Turing test

[neat lintel]

hebrew?

[severe swallow]

it just generally became totally incoherent

[neat frost]

Fucking lame answer Wtff

[rocky shuttle]

Indonesian, but I feel more comfortable with German

[rocky shuttle]

No idea what you're talking about

[neat frost]

The answer is like "yeah I can't give you an answer. I am mashin."

[rocky shuttle]

And what were you asking?

[neat frost]

Its thoughts on our current government

[rocky shuttle]

Oh lmao

It rarely has an opinion, but if you ask it what a certain kind of person would think about it, then it'll give better answers I think

[neat frost]

Oh

I like unopinionated people

[mint canopy]

I have no strong feelings on them

Please laugh

[neat frost]

is a better reaction than a laugh

[mint canopy]

Oh is this an opinion of yours?

[neat frost]

Anyone can get a laugh, it takes someone truly special to get a

[mint canopy]

Pathetic. Smh.

[neat frost]

No it's a fact

[neat frost]

That sounds like an opinion to me

[mint canopy]

Noooo nnooooo

[rancid meadow]

Not me. I'm the goat.

[storm sage]

Does it? I get them all the time

[brittle socket]

Lmao

[granite barn]

what's the general consensus on self promo here? I wanna share my math stream here but don't wanna push on any rules/be annoying

[zealous garden]

I hate unopinionated people so much

I don't really have an opinion on opinionated people

[static loom]

lol

[torn willow]

Opinionated people are good iff they agree with me

[fiery sail]

The help channels are bopping up and down and disappearing when I select one. Is everyone experiencing this? Makes it hard to keep track of which I've checked to see, if my skillset fits

[sharp mulch]

You can always use #1021175428326633542 and check those

[fiery sail]

Oh thought that was the category name for the help channels

Haven't seen that discord function before

[sharp mulch]

The category name for the occupied help channels is help channels occupied or something like that

[neat frost]

[jovial ember]

rak bib

[rocky shuttle]

chm nky

[split island]

chm nky

[neat lintel]

chm nky

[brittle socket]

Hi C-monke

[brittle socket]

Hi Kirb

[deep mango]

rak bib

[split island]

Hi grass

[neat lintel]

Hi kirby

[split island]

Flandre Scarlet

I wish I could have found a Flandre fumo

I found a Reimu one tho

So worth it anyway

[neat lintel]

Same here

Nice

Indeed

[split island]

If you camp amiami.com, you’ll probably be able to find one for not hundreds of dollars

[neat lintel]

I wanna camp amiami.com 🥺

Probably...

[split island]

They have Patchouli and Alice in stock rn….

And Marisa..

[neat lintel]

I don't have patchouli

;w;

[split island]

I shall not spend so much money

[sharp mulch]

Does mosque = masjid

Ok

Mosques all face towards Mecca right

And the mosque in Mecca faces towards Medina?

Or Jerusalem

Oh sure

But don’t they have the wall nook inside that shows which direction

[brittle socket]

[brittle socket]

Enderton is my introduction to Algebra

[sharp mulch]

Why is there a theorem 5ZG

[lavish kayak]

Knowing when it doesn't know something would be very impressive

Means it can monitor itself for truthiness somehoe

[brittle socket]

Oh that's because for this particular chapter (chapter 5), the Z here represents the section on (constructing) integers. While the G here is the theorem numbering for this section on integers. So, Theorem 5ZG means the 7th theorem in the section of integers in chapter 5.

In other chapters idt there's this 'intermediary alphabet'

[woven whale]

this is weird notation

[brittle socket]

Perhaps why the author went with this here is because there are like 33 theorems in this chapter and there aren't enough alphabets. Or he thinks its easier to reference with that 'intermediary alphabet'.

[sharp mulch]

[brittle socket]

Well, i was just joking anyways haha. I'm going read Jacobson's Basic Algebra I when I want to learn Algebra

Just out of curiosity, what's particularly weird

[woven whale]

please ping me when replying to my messages

[brittle socket]

Oh sorry

Not everyone wants to be pinged when I reply so I turn it off by habit

[cold needle]

Bruh

don’t ghost ping people

o

[sharp mulch]

[cold needle]

O

⭕

[alpine kindle]

S¹

[sharp mulch]

T

[sharp mulch]

Sorry, but upon close inspection, this differs from a circle by 0.2%

[midnight crystal]

If you could only take two additional classes after a first semester in analysis and a first semester in abstract algebra, which two courses would best prepare you to self study more math in the future

[sharp mulch]

Have you done linear algebra

Hmmm

It depends on what sort of analysis class it was

But I'm tempted to say a topology class

[vast surge]

Pointset topology for sure. After that, it depends; if you want to do more analysis take something analytical, if you want to do more algebra take something algebraic. If your school has "Analysis II" or "Algebra II", both of those are good ideas.

One of my big regrets is that I haven't been able to take a complex analysis class, because that's useful and comes up all over the place. So maybe consider taking complex, if your school offers it?

[rocky shuttle]

One of my big regrets is that I haven't been able to take a measure theory class because that's useful and comes up almost everywhere.

[bright hill]

Wanna do measure theory together?

[rocky shuttle]

Sure, that's something I would do more seriously than cat theory or algebra lmao

[deep mango]

surpass slurp

[rocky shuttle]

?

[deep mango]

slurp is reading royden analysis

which has measure theory

[rocky shuttle]

ah

[deep mango]

idk if that's the book id pick though

i'd probably pick folland

[rocky shuttle]

do you have a recommendation btw? there are lots of measure theory texts

[rocky shuttle]

alright

[deep mango]

that's a well-liked one

[vast surge]

The last chapter of Rudin PMA

[rocky shuttle]

ok thanks

[vast surge]

Then start reading books that already assume a knowledge of measure theory and sort of pick it up as you go

That's how I did it

[rocky shuttle]

I kinda already know some of the results in introductory measure theory (Caratheodory, monotone convergence theorem, dominated convergence theorem)

I just lack a lot of confidence because I never did the proofs and exercises

[vast surge]

What text did you learn those results in? You can try to do the exercises from that text to build up confidence

[rocky shuttle]

recaps in differential geometry texts

[neat lintel]

i am turkish student

exams are very hard

[vast surge]

Oh well then I can't help you that's basically what I did too

(not diff geo, but recaps in other texts)

[deep mango]

[rocky shuttle]

I see

[deep mango]

rudin PMA measure theory chapter is notoriously bad

folland does stuff in generality and does it in the correct order IMO

[rocky shuttle]

I had to think twice whether zorn was serious or not

[neat lintel]

my math exam is 100/92 😄

[deep mango]

damn

nice

[neat frost]

Gobble gobble

Good morning ryc

Hewwo xander

[neat lintel]

in turkey notes

my notes

exams

biyoloji= biology

[rocky shuttle]

\pagenumbering{gobble}

[neat lintel]

fizik= physic

matematik=math

[neat frost]

Latex moment

[neat lintel]

kimya=chemistry

yabancıdil=english

[vast surge]

Yeah that was my joke

[rocky shuttle]

XanTeX will be born soon

[neat frost]

Also turns out there's a major bug with my package 👀

[neat lintel]

yes

[rocky shuttle]

I gave you the benefit of the doubt

[deep mango]

contents of folland

[neat frost]

Memes in #chill

[neat lintel]

LOL

[deep mango]

(this is loss)

[neat lintel]

How are you with physics?

[neat frost]

Tbh I'd be willing to try out XanTeX

[neat lintel]

good/bad

[deep mango]

not very good? i only know bits and pieces of physics

[neat frost]

Ryc is a physicist

Ryc stfu stop lying ffs

[vast surge]

Is that when you do a bunch of xanax and try to type something in latex?

[neat frost]

Nothing to be ashamed about

[neat frost]

Just about yeah

[deep mango]

Good morning SLurp

[neat lintel]

Shall I show you the exam question in Turkey?

[neat frost]

thanksie

[neat lintel]

university exam

[deep mango]

Sure

[neat lintel]

ok

[deep mango]

Xander was on Survivor 41

He's really cute

[neat lintel]

i translate english ok ?

[deep mango]

Ok

[neat frost]

We're learning about skeletons in image processing

[neat lintel]

or math no problem

[neat frost]

Spookie scary

[rocky shuttle]

built-in package for better 3D visualization than tikz / pgfplots

[neat lintel]

math problem

in universty exam

:/

[vast surge]

#❓how-to-get-help

[neat lintel]

no

its example

[neat frost]

Gross who's gonna be willing to implement that shit

[neat lintel]

i show

i dont need help

[neat frost]

Also tikz has decent 3d

Definitely not

[deep mango]

look at him

[neat frost]

Pinned in #latex-help

[neat lintel]

lol

[deep mango]

his hair is so perfect all the time

[rocky shuttle]

Leslie Xanport

[neat frost]

Who dat

Xan doxxed?

Omg

[deep mango]

yuck

[neat frost]

Fugly

[neat lintel]

hard or easy

[neat frost]

Noice yohan of your mom

[rocky shuttle]

I at the very least hope you know who Leslie Lamport is

[neat frost]

Name is very familiar

But i don't remember

[rocky shuttle]

[neat frost]

Oh LaTeX shithead

Wow I always assumed it was a woman

"Leslie"

[vast surge]

Leslie is a man's name

Leslie Nielsen, etc.

[neat frost]

Also a woman's name

[neat lintel]

want physich problem

????

why

[neat frost]

To Jill:
For your books and brochures.

Wtf

I added all those spaces and I removed them

[deep mango]

nope, he's perfect

[neat frost]

No he's unironically very fugly

[deep mango]

wrong

[neat frost]

Bad taste ryc

[deep mango]

you don't get it

[neat frost]

Correct

[vast surge]

He looks like the sort of guy who either doesn't do drugs, or who does a lot of drugs, and either way it's a large part of his personality.

[neat frost]

There's nothing to get

I'd pay to beat him up

[deep mango]

umm hard to tell but from how he was on the show i'd guess a lot of drugs

[vast surge]

Yeah that makes sense, from the two pictures of him I've seen

He also looks like a devout Christian who is simultaneously super into new age stuff

[deep mango]

to be fair this is how he looked before the game started

a lot less like

[vast surge]

So a lot less like a hippie

[deep mango]

a lot less a lot of things, but mostly just a lot less hot

[vast surge]

Does his dad own a boat?

[deep mango]

i have no idea

he went to UChicago for CS

[vast surge]

Because in that last picture from before the game he looks like the kind of guy who always talks about how his dad owns a boat

[deep mango]

so he's probably wealthy

are you seriously reading the tex book

A texnician

a texromancer

[vast surge]

@broken crown ryc is trying to steal your thing

Oh whoops that was a different JohnDS

[deep mango]

Lol

[vast surge]

I actually remember when that other JohnDS joined the server. It was weird

[deep mango]

oh my god

lmfao

i remember that

[neat frost]

The first few chapters are not interesting ofc

And a very quick read

Chapter 7 is probably where things become interesting

This is intended for people who have never used TeX before

So ofc the first chapters are about the basics

Takes a few chapters to get into depth

[rocky shuttle]

skip the texbook, just attend Xlurp's talk

[red forge]

Yo guys, I wanna hear ur answers to this, everybody says something different, so that kind of made me curious

What is the correct order of the following words:

( result / hypothesis / observation / question / curiosity / experiment )

[surreal sapphire]

alphabetical

[rocky shuttle]

lexicographical

[red forge]

No, logically, I mean what is the first thing that leads to the next. They all agreed that the result is the last, but they differ in the firsts order

BTW i think that's: (observation / question / curiosity / hypothesis / experiment / result )

Like , Doesn't it make sense?

[neat lintel]

Curiosity -> Question -> Hypothesis -> Experiment -> Observation -> Result

I would put them like this

[red forge]

Why

[neat lintel]

Scientific method I guess

[leaden torrent]

yeah this seems vague and overly prescriptive but

if i were to answer this assuming it was a weird high school question

i'd answer what beijing did

[red forge]

I don't think it makes sense to just be curious like that

[neat lintel]

Sometimes you are

[red forge]

You will notice something first

[neat lintel]

Also you could notice something, but not be curious about it and ignore it. So Curiosity is what matters as first step

[leaden torrent]

you start with "curiosity", i.e. wanting to learn about some phenomenon or whatever — as you focus and refine, you "narrow in" your specific interests and formalize them as a question

[red forge]

But wait

[alpine kindle]

observation always appears at the experimentation stage but not necessarily at the first stage

[leaden torrent]

"an observation" in a scientific sense is a specific measured outcome of a trial (i.e. part of an experiment)

[red forge]

I see that if you notice something you will be curious about it or not

Example

[leaden torrent]

scientific experimentation is the process of collecting observations

admittedly tho not all of the terms used are scientific in the first place, i have no clue wtf "curiosity" means

but it seems like this was structured as a way to basicall ytell students

[leaden junco]

hii

[leaden torrent]

"to start researching things, first you have to take your general interest in the topic and formulate it into a specific, answerable question"

so im assuming they want curiosity to go before question to reflect this

[red forge]

Isaac Newton was not curious about gravity at all, when he noticed the fall of the apple and said why did it fall, he became curious and began to give his looks and research and gave experiments and then came to a conclusion

[leaden torrent]

that story is apocryphal btw

the apple thing didnt happen

[red forge]

He wasn't curious and then asked

[neat lintel]

The people I think about are more like Francis Bacon and Galileo when it comes to Scientific Method theory.

[leaden torrent]

newtonian gravity came as an attempt to explain the orbit of celestial bodies

i.e. the planets and moons

[red forge]

He was not curious, then he asked to notice something. When he thought with himself or asked himself, he became interested and curious

You cant be curious out of nowhere

[leaden torrent]

in any case, my point is that i think youre misinterpreting what "observation" means

in the context of a scientific experiment, an observation is a specific element (a quantity, a phenomenon, whatever) observed during the experiment

not something observed before the experiment

[red forge]

The teacher said that by observation we mean the first thing we see apart from experience

[red forge]

So I said it's the first

[leaden torrent]

alright sure

i can see that then

but thats not the definition of "observation" i'd use

when i hear "observation" wrt science, the first thing that comes to mind for me is techniques used to compare observed values and true values

perhasp thats a very applied math-sy viewpoint

[red forge]

Yea wait

[leaden torrent]

(well, a righteous applied mathematician would reject the notion of "true values" in the first place)

(and use "predicted values" instead)

[red forge]

Srry its on Arabic

[neat lintel]

we... don't understand it

[red forge]

But Written: A note or observe is the first, followed by a question

[red forge]

Yes, I was translating

BTW What do ya think is the correct order as the last question?

[violet wraith]

what's a cool calculus fact

[midnight crystal]

probability is so hard

im convinced my professor cant even do it

[noble coral]

Is there a particular problem that sparked this comment?

[midnight crystal]

well its more of how my class is set up. First of all its engineering probability so my professor is an engineer.

Second he assigns these random homework problems and i realized hes not even doing the solutions hes taking them from a pdf he found online

third the exams are wayyy too easy compared to the homeworks

and when people ask for help he barely clarifies

[noble coral]

Do you know what kind of engineer?

[midnight crystal]

electrical engineer

[noble coral]

I see

University professor?

[midnight crystal]

yea

[noble coral]

Damm, they really are understaffed, huh.

[midnight crystal]

Also like my class moves way too fast compared to the actual math major probability

like you do all the normal pdf/cdf stuff but then they just start going crazy with all this linear algebra stuff using spectral theorem

and linear algebra isnt even a prerequisite

and then thats just a load of crap for a single unit

and the final chapter is a bunch of signal processing stuff

its just so much so fast and my friends who are math majors are getting to take things slow and actually learn stuff

and on top of all of that, midterm 1 is 45% of the grade, final is 45% and homework is 10%...... and exams are take home

so basically everyone is going to just cheat with their friends

the entire class feels like a joke and i feel so unconfident in my probability skills

[deep mango]

Normally I would talk about the borwein integrals but 3blue1brown really took the steam out of those

[solid snow]

Why ryc

What did 3b1b do

[deep mango]

Made a video about borwein integrals

[violet wraith]

I don't think I watched that

tell me about it ryc!

@deep mango @deep mango @deep mango @deep mango @deep mango @deep mango @deep mango @deep mango

[deep mango]

Ugh

So

[violet wraith]

unless you don't want to

[solid snow]

...why are you being nice? dont break character...

[violet wraith]

oh actually

I did watch the video

it was recent

[deep mango]

The integral of sin(x)/x on the whole real line is pi/2, this is the dirichlet integral

Oh

[violet wraith]

but I forgot what they were

so you can continue

[violet wraith]

fuck you

and your dog

[deep mango]

The integral of sin(x)/x * sin(3x)/(3x) is also magically the same thing

[violet wraith]

oh right I remember this now

[solid snow]

oh right i saw that video

[violet wraith]

it breaks after 15

I forget why tho

[deep mango]

As is the integral of the product when you take the first 3 odd numbers, etc. Except when you get to 15

[violet wraith]

ryc ur slow

[deep mango]

Then it's extremely close but slightly lower than pi/2

This happens because 1/3 + 1/5 + ... + 1/13 is below 1, but when you add 1/15 it goes above 1

[violet wraith]

oh right

p cool

[deep mango]

Why is that important?

It's hard to see with the integrals as they are

[violet wraith]

uhhhhhhhh

[deep mango]

But if you use the fourier transform, you can see it

[violet wraith]

pain

[deep mango]

The integral of a function is equal to its fourier transform evaluated at 0

[violet wraith]

oh shit rly

[deep mango]

The fourier transform of sin(x)/x is a step function, which is 1 in between -pi/2 and pi/2 and 0 elsewhere

[violet wraith]

makes sense

[deep mango]

Yeah. When you plug in 0, you get e^(ix0)f(x) under the integral which is just f(x).

[violet wraith]

ah ok

I see now

from what domain does that frequency come from

[deep mango]

This is harder to show, you need the fourier inversion formula for it (it's easy to show that the fourier transform of a step function is sin(x)/x, you can do the integral directly. but to go in reverse the integral is hard, so it's easier to just use the known fact that the inverse of the fourier transform just flips x to -x)

[violet wraith]

doesn't the FT make everything look more steppy

[deep mango]

Showing the fourier transform of the step is sin(x)/x is a good exercise

[deep mango]

Not really. Maybe fourier series?

[violet wraith]

oh right

I confuse those two

series transform same word

[deep mango]

So the idea is that a product of functions is converted to a convolution of their fourier transforms. And we know how convolutions of step functions work, or at least, we know when they're 0 and when they're 1.

[violet wraith]

I see

[deep mango]

It turns out that the product of sin(x)/x with horizontal scalings turns into a convolution of step functions with horizontal scalings

[violet wraith]

horizontal scaling meaning scaling along the x-axis right

[deep mango]

And you can add up the horizontal scalings to see when the convolution goes below 1 at the center of the step functions, x = 0

[deep mango]

Yes, like plugging in 5x

[violet wraith]

ok

[violet wraith]

I see

this is p cool

[deep mango]

Explaining how we see that the convolution goes below 1 when the scalings add up to > 1 is kinda hard tho

[violet wraith]

understandable

[deep mango]

It has to do with the idea that convolution smudges one function by another, so we only get the biggest step function smudged down at 0 if all the smaller ones can reach from the edges (where they start smudging) all the way back to 0

The 3b1b video does a visualization of this which makes it much clearer

[violet wraith]

ah ok

I'll rewatch it when I have a chance

[brittle socket]

gmod where your very active

[violet wraith]

gone

bc

I'm not very active

but yeah thanks ryc

[deep mango]

Sure

I think it's a really cool fact

And i was surprised to see that it actually had useful interesting math behind it

Instead of being some stupid contour integral

[violet wraith]

lol

[cold needle]

and important for other homework problems too

Gmod did you learn laplace transforms

[static loom]

does the video also explain $$\int_{-\infty}^\infty \frac{\sin(x)}{x}dx = \int_{-\infty}^\infty \frac{\sin^2(x)}{x^2}dx$$

[fathom swallow]

mOwOsity

[cold needle]

thats a classic but i dont remember any of it

i think i had it as a hw problem once

[deep mango]

it does not but that's cool

i think ive seen it

ofc

you can use fooyay

again

[violet wraith]

yes

[cold needle]

Ok did i tell u about the inverse laplace transform yet

[violet wraith]

oh god

[violet wraith]

do I want to know

oh wait

that's just the F(s) function right

wait no nvm

[cold needle]

ordinarily you use the table to go from F(s) to f(t) right

[violet wraith]

yeah

[cold needle]

ok now what if i told you

[tall badge]

based on metals history i think hes gonna go bromwich

[cold needle]

That there was an actual formula for this

[tall badge]

so run

[violet wraith]

makes sense

[cold needle]

Do u know any contour integration

[violet wraith]

some

wouldn't you deal with them like line integrals

with parameterization n shit

[cold needle]

$f(t) = \lim_{\beta \to \infty}\frac{1}{2\pi i}\int_{\gamma - i\beta}^{\gamma + i\beta}e^{zt}F(z)\dd{z}$

[fathom swallow]

cofe cube (bad kernel)

[violet wraith]

breaking them into a few parts

holy FUCK

[cold needle]

This is the laplace inversion integral

[violet wraith]

ah I see the 2πi there

cauchy

[cold needle]

yes

[violet wraith]

wait is that cauchy

residue theorem whatever

[cold needle]

its related u use cauchy residue theorem

[violet wraith]

yes I'm so smart

[cold needle]

We use the Bromwich contour

it is a mirrored D shaped contour

essentially

i will give a talk in the spring

[violet wraith]

oooo

so this was all just a marketing scheme

[cold needle]

i gave this talk my freshman fall over zoom

i will do it again this spring

[violet wraith]

that's fun

[cold needle]

it is fun

[limpid pike]

Hello

[tall badge]

metal i gave u a laplace problem but u never answered

[violet wraith]

damn

[cold needle]

its a nice example of the residue theorem that isn't annoying

[violet wraith]

ghosted

[tall badge]

u can finish it and include it in ur talk

[cold needle]

thats righjt i need to do it lmfoa its saved on my camera roll

Yes

thats a rly good idea rokabe

i will do that

[tall badge]

find the inverse laplace transform by residues
$$F(s)=\frac1{s\cosh\sqrt s}$$
hint: $F$ has countably many poles, so expect an infinite series

[cold needle]

Because its an example of one i can't do with a table

[fathom swallow]

Rocket Cube

[cold needle]

One of my examples is one that i can do with a table

[violet wraith]

I'm scared of what your camera roll looks like

[cold needle]

My camera roll is mostly pictures of chalkboards /whiteboards and pics of me and my gf

Or screenshots of discord

[violet wraith]

you have a gf?????

[cold needle]

yes

[violet wraith]

no longer a math major

[cold needle]

she was in ur micro class actually

[violet wraith]

oh rly

how do you know

[cold needle]

same prof

[violet wraith]

ohhh

actually yeah there's only one prof

[tall badge]

theres another problem where u can use a table to confirm ur answer from bromwich

[violet wraith]

I'm dumb

[tall badge]

or basically just take any table problem and force em to do bromwich instead and make sure u get the same thing

[cold needle]

is it pinned on bois channel rokabe

oh ye

chrew

[tall badge]

for $a>0$, find the inverse laplace transform of
$$F(s)=\frac{2a^3}{(s^2+a^2)^2}$$
to check your answer, find it again by using a table of common transforms

[violet wraith]

bois channel??

[fathom swallow]

Rocket Cube

[cold needle]

is in a different server

[violet wraith]

o

[cold needle]

i was debating whether or not to do a slides talk or a chalk talk for this

but i think i want to keep it slides since i already have slides for it

ill just update it with some stuff because i remember i handwaved a few things awkwardly and now i feel confident enough to handwave it and say "ask me after"

[tall badge]

same quality of lecture, just better at hiding it!

[cold needle]

Yes exactly

[violet wraith]

I won't ask you after

[tall badge]

yeah do slides so that u can more easily present these problems. also going thru what i posted, u should include application to PDEs

eg heat eqn with nice boundary/initial condition

[cold needle]

o wow okei

ill look into dat

[tall badge]

solve by laplace transforms
$$u_t=u_{xx},~0<x<\pi,~t>0$$
with boundary and initial conditions
$$u_x|{x=0,\pi}=0,~u|{t=0}=x^2$$

[fathom swallow]

Rocket Cube

[violet wraith]

ugly

[cold needle]

this is one of the nicest pde

[violet wraith]

still ugly

[tall badge]

the gist is u can transform each side of the DE
$$\L(u_t)=\L(u_{xx})$$
and say $U(x,s)=\L(u(x,t))$, so that
$$sU-u|{t=0}=U{xx}$$

[fathom swallow]

Rocket Cube

[cold needle]

ahh

[tall badge]

this gives
$$U_{xx}-sU=-x^2$$
then transforming the boundary conditions gives boundary conditions for $U$
$$U_x|_{x=0,\pi}=0$$
now solve this in $x$, its straightforward

[fathom swallow]

Rocket Cube

[tall badge]

then the tedious part is the inverse transform

[bright hill]

@exotic vigil that's rough

[exotic vigil]

what?

[bright hill]

Please don't let people's expectations of you determine your actions

It's only a recipe for misery

[exotic vigil]

yes i dont really care thats why ive been able to do extra studying

[exotic vigil]

they are usually my own expectations like not doing something that i can

[brittle socket]

How much time do you spend on math on average btw

[exotic vigil]

i used to be doing 2-3 hrs/ day now ive reduced that

[brittle socket]

[woven whale]

6-8

[brittle socket]

[woven whale]

that estimate includes chatting on this server

it counts as math

[surreal sapphire]

ill inform my advisor of that

[bright hill]

Hello loch

I feel like i haven't seen you in a bit

[surreal sapphire]

hello dark cube

[torn willow]

Time to do a PhD in discord math

[surreal sapphire]

uh, im here all the time at least

[bright hill]

Must've been me then

[exotic vigil]

lmao

[brittle socket]

Lmao

[balmy maple]

hrrnngg im trying to defend my catboy dissertation but my discord kittens won't let me prepare in peace

[long matrix]

[fair mural]

uwu

[lofty geyser]

If you were writing something, and you had to talk about the following sets:

• { f | f: A → B }
• { x : |x| < f(x) }
  Would you stick with colon or bar, or just use both?

[rocky shuttle]

I would stick with my bar macro

[lofty geyser]

{ x | |x| < f(x) }

[wild lantern]

I'd just use colon

B^A is good enough notation to avoid having to write {f:f:A->B}

[rocky shuttle]

still alright for me

[lofty geyser]

{ f : f: A → B }

[wild lantern]

{f : f in B^A}

Or just B^A

[lofty geyser]

I do like { f | f: A → B } a bit more compared to B^A

But yeah bar aint so bad: { x | |x| < f(x) }

[cinder zephyr]

I use colon if there's a bar next to it (like absolute value)

[wild lantern]

Nothing wrong with that

[cinder zephyr]

but bar otherwise

[wild lantern]

Bar with lots of absolute values and divisibility can get kinda goofy

[lofty geyser]

But if this was in a single document, would it be weird/wrong to use multiple styles?

I mean I feel like there should be nothing wrong with using multiple styles depending on whichever is suitable for the situation.

[wild lantern]

You can always just explain things in words if it gets confusing.

[lofty geyser]

I'd just say, "Whenever it's clear, I'm gonna use : or | for sets k?"

Like I feel it's rather silly to say "style must be consistent", compared to, "whatever is most readable"

[cinder zephyr]

So while I value consistency

I value readability just a little more

so I will be consistent unless it hampers readability

Weird? sure

But right now the stuff I write the most (homework) will be read by others

so I optimize for readability

[lofty geyser]

Yea I agree with that

[cinder zephyr]

Though

you could argue that I should use colon for everything then

and to that I say "old habits die hard"

[rocky shuttle]

Generally, I agree with that, too, but in this specific case with set builder notation, I don't think there is an example that is super unreadable.

[long matrix]

:

[rocky shuttle]

I use bar

[fathom swallow]

Spamakin🎷

[cinder zephyr]

[long matrix]

?????????????????????????????

iooijijoiijojiojoioji

[cinder zephyr]

so many bars

[rocky shuttle]

a bit of spacing might help

[cinder zephyr]

yea true

[long matrix]

@neat frost would love this

anyways, why would you use subset in set builder

[rocky shuttle]

but then the issue is not really in the set builder bar, but in ||S| imo

[long matrix]

thats just silly

[cinder zephyr]

a set of sets?

[long matrix]

ic

i think i might prefer powerset all the same

[cinder zephyr]

but it's not a power set

OH nvm

yea I guess

but still I wanted to just cram as many bars as possible

[long matrix]

,,{S\in P(\bZ_{100}):2\mid\abs{S}}

[cinder zephyr]

yea

[lofty geyser]

Yeah there's always something you can do to make the situation better:
Maybe like 2 | card(S)?

[cinder zephyr]

this is a case where I would just say write divides

[lofty geyser]

Yeah same probably

[cinder zephyr]

no matter how you dice it, divides next to a cardinality is weird

[long matrix]

,,{S\in P(\bZ_{100}):(\exists n\in\bZ)(\abs{S} = 2n)}

[cinder zephyr]

actually this is something I struggle with teaching students at the beginning of the discrete math class I TA

[neat frost]

No.

[cinder zephyr]

A good number of them get in their heads that like "yes this is rigourous math. I must use words" and I get symbol vomit

[rocky shuttle]

$${S\in P(\bZ_{100}),|,\exists n\in\bZ\colon\abs{S} = 2n}$$

[lofty geyser]

I'd probably do { S∈ P(ℤ₁₀₀) : ∃ n∈ ℤ(|S| = 2n) }

[cinder zephyr]

I'd just write divides or the word even

[lofty geyser]

Yeah

I'd probably do { S∈ P(ℤ₁₀₀) : |S| is even }

[long matrix]

i dont like using : after there exists

[fathom swallow]

zan cube

[long matrix]

it just doesnt make syntactical sense when the same isnt done for forall

[lofty geyser]

Only if you think so

Yeah syntax can get weird

[long matrix]

I think a programmer's mindset is missing from a lot of symbol grammar

Which can make the symbols become ambiguous

[lofty geyser]

From a programmer mindset, the lack of standard is uncomfortable

[long matrix]

yes

needs to be a standard and no ambiguity

[lofty geyser]

But yeah, I like to imagine colon and exists is fine since, and just stick with no colon.

Though lack of standard means flexibility in thought I'd like to think. But who knows.

[long matrix]

im more annoyed by ambiguity - order of operations doesn't seem to be standardized or made clear I think?

,,\forall x P(x) \implies Q

[long matrix]

for stuff like this, as an example

and i think thats partially because we discourage this notation anyways until you get to logic

But its like you introduce these symbols, discourage them from being used in proofs, and end up with something wishy washy

[lofty geyser]

Yeah, I mean in logic we define it all more precisely, where as in math it's generally wishy washy and as long as it makes sense.

I think the main idea though, is that we shouldn't get so caught up in the syntax as that's not what we're studying.

But the ambiguity can be discomforting sometimes.

[long matrix]

I agree - the meaning is important. And I've seen a lot of places where I would've appreciated a short symbolic statement rather than 3 lines of words which mean exactly the same

And I've seen a lot of notes where by mistake there can be 2 meanings due to lack of brackets in words

[haughty lintel]

Just a bit curious, what prereqs are normally required for abstract algebra?

[cold needle]

comfort with writing and understanding proofs

Sometimes linear algebra is nice to have but like

for the first pass thru group theory it might not show up so it wouldnt be needed

but there are a number of examples involving linear algebra

eventually it will be required

[haughty lintel]

I see. Tysm!

[violet wraith]

I'm bored

what's a cool basic linear algebra concept

[neat lintel]

dual spaces

[violet wraith]

interesting

[tall badge]

any decomposition

[torn willow]

And transpose

[bleak wigeon]

spectral theorem

[rocky shuttle]

included in any decomposition

[bleak wigeon]

for some reason my brain only associated things like LU, cholesky, and QR to decompositions lol

[cold needle]

i think rank nullity is a very cool basic linear algebra concept

[violet wraith]

goddamn everyone's pitching in lmao

[rocky shuttle]

and dual spaces aren't that uninteresting

[cold needle]

um of course this is in the standard curriculum but lmao

[violet wraith]

lol

why is a dual space called that

what's so dual about it

the definition doesn't make it sound dual-y

[torn willow]

This is not a concept but any norm preserving operator on R^n is linear

[deep mango]

well

why wouldn't it be dual

like

[violet wraith]

idfk

[deep mango]

you have the perspective of functions acting on elements

[torn willow]

You swap the roles of linear transforms and vectors

[violet wraith]

ohhhhhhh

[deep mango]

but there's a dual perspective where the functions are the elements, and the elements are the functions

[violet wraith]

ok that makes sense

[deep mango]

you evaluate an element at a function by doing function(element)

[violet wraith]

yeah

[neat lintel]

the duality comes through an identification of a vector space with its dual space through choice of an inner product

[deep mango]

it's the same thing but you view elements as being functions on the set of functions

[rocky shuttle]

because the bidual is not always the original space (?)

[deep mango]

idk if i'd agree with that being where the duality comes from

[violet wraith]

BIDUAL????

[torn willow]

This is a certified non FDVS moment

[rocky shuttle]

dual space of a dual space

[violet wraith]

pain

[neat lintel]

but choice of inner product induces a natural isomorphism from V to V*

how do you think about it?

[torn willow]

What they mean is

[deep mango]

so every element in the vector space gives you an element of the double dual space (V*)*. an element of the dual is a linear functional to the base field (say, R), so and element of the double dual is a linear functional from (linear functionals) to R

[torn willow]

Think of $f_a(x)= \langle x,a \rangle$

[fathom swallow]

Drake

[deep mango]

it induces a pairing and flips arrows. i don't think about dual vectors identified with vectors pretty much ever, even in the presence of an inner product, unless there is really convenient reason to do so

to me this gets too confusing

like

i'd rather keep track of what's a bra and what's a ket because they transform differently

[torn willow]

You do physics?

[rocky shuttle]

covariant and contravariant vectors

[deep mango]

in particular, one linear functional on the space of linear functionals is given by a vector v in V. it just takes a linear functional f and returns f(v).

this is called the "evaluation functional"

[violet wraith]

oh I see

[deep mango]

in a finite dimensional space, it turns out that EVERY element of V** is an evaluation functional

and that V** is actually just V again

but in infinite dimensions this fails

[neat lintel]

i imagine concretely like if i have a linear transformation V : R^3 -> R^2 then with the standard inner product i can identify R^3* and R^2* with R^3 and R^2 repsectively, and then think of V* as a map from R^2 -> R^3 kinda like the inverse

and somehow it feels like the spectral theorem tells you this is a good way to imagine things (in the sense that it gives a clear geometric intuition for the transpose)

[rocky shuttle]

in infinite dimensions, it still holds for so-called reflexive Banach spaces

[rocky shuttle]

e.g. every Hilbert space by Riesz rep theorem

[jovial ember]

Now listen up, fuckers

[zealous garden]

kinda like

[jovial ember]

I’m chleepy and I’m gonna go to chmed

Have a great night

[zealous garden]

have a great one

[rocky shuttle]

gn chmonkeee

[neat lintel]

gn!

[zealous garden]

gn

[deep mango]

Have a good night chocobee

[dapper badge]

goodnight chmonkey

[cold needle]

riesz rep

i wonder if i can give a talk to math club about it

hmm

how to speedrun dual spaces

[violet wraith]

yes

[neat lintel]

Does anyone know multiplicative inverse

[proud olive]

Sounds advanced

[radiant pagoda]

Jesus loves yall

[neat frost]

I don't like Jesus

He's not my type

Man needs a shave

[granite barn]

I'm going live now on twitch.tv/goofthegoof where I'm working through every question of dummit and foote. come say hi if you're interested.

[neat lintel]

please do not advertise your twitch channel here

[arctic grove]

also for the sake of your sanity dont do every question in D and F

[arctic grove]

serenity what is 5w4

[neat lintel]

enneagram type

[arctic grove]

[neat lintel]

__co__catThink

based

Finally understood that category theory reference 😌

[arctic grove]

i swear im not an hsct

[arctic grove]

dont know if you should be proud of that.

so this is what 5w4 means

[neat lintel]

wdym by hsct?

[arctic grove]

high school cat theorist

[neat lintel]

oh

fair enough

[neat lintel]

yup

[arctic grove]

icic

gotcha

[neat lintel]

in which 5 is my main type while the latter is my secondary one

[sharp mulch]

Omg 5w4

Typical math person

[neat lintel]

runs away

[sharp mulch]

Ugh infps

[radiant pagoda]

Turn to Him bruh He can save u

[radiant pagoda]

He aint even look like them pictures 🦦

[neat frost]

How do you know?

[neat frost]

Save me from what? I'm pretty safe I'd think

[radiant pagoda]

cuz He aint white

[neat frost]

There are other depictions of him

I wasn't referring to the westernized ones

[radiant pagoda]

people think that but in reality (im saying this in a loving way) we all want you to go into heaven instead of hell

[radiant pagoda]

ye but still those were made by some random guy like 10 years ago

[neat lintel]

i'm an infp, so i'm not a math person

[neat frost]

I'm sure god wouldn't let such a petty thing as not worshipping him stop me from going to heaven 🙏

[radiant pagoda]

if you dont worship God or follow God who else would you be serving completely?

the devil

[neat frost]

Why? I don't serve the devil

[radiant pagoda]

if you dont serve God who else is there to serve?

[neat frost]

I don't have to serve anyone?

I'm my own person

[radiant pagoda]

God is good and created good so therefore by doing evil wouldnt you be serving evil?

[neat frost]

Who said I'm doing evil?

[radiant pagoda]

without faith it is impossible to please God

without following God there is no middle area you either serve Him or the devil

[neat frost]

That sounds pretty petty I wouldn't get pissed at someone just because they weren't constantly worshipping me

[neat frost]

How come?

[radiant pagoda]

He doesnt hate people who try to follow Him

[neat frost]

Yeah

Why would he hate people who don't though?

[radiant pagoda]

cuz if you arent doing good there is no neutral

[neat frost]

There is other good than worshipping god?

[radiant pagoda]

He loved the world so much that He came down in human form and died for us

[radiant pagoda]

honoring and glorifying and exalting and praising Him can be shown by works (faith will bring works) and we as Christians still screw up daily

[neat frost]

Does it really count as suffering if he's immortal? It's much more of a sacrifice for us to die without the absolute of immortality than for god to die with the knowledge that he is

[arctic grove]

how do i find what type i am

coz resonate with a lot of this stuff

like all the weaknesses

[radiant pagoda]

He came in a human body, feeling and sympathizing with our weakness and temptations (He still never sinned), and on the cross He felt a lot of pain

He rose from the dead cuz His Spirit is immortal cuz He's God of course but in the body He could feel everything

[neat frost]

I'm sure it's very easy to not sin if you're god, even if you are in mortal form

[velvet dagger]

The tricky thing about trying to reason about this situation is establishing which part of you is God and which part of you is mortal. Mind of God in a mortal body? etc

[arctic grove]

This is blatant pushing of LEM

[radiant pagoda]

He came in a complete 100% human form, hence why there is the 100% God 100% man doctrine

[velvet dagger]

My understanding is that basically every attempt to explain the trinity in a way that makes sense to us has been ruled some sort of heresy

[radiant pagoda]

ive never heard of lem what is it

[arctic grove]

law of excluded middle

[radiant pagoda]

3 Persons one God which work together in harmony

[radiant pagoda]

ohh

[velvet dagger]

And the correct answer is basically that this shtick is pretty much beyond human understanding. If you accept the Christian faith (for whatever other reason you do) you pretty much take the trinity as a thing

And obv if you don't then you think it's nonsensical and its apparent inconsistency is an actual inconsistency

[radiant pagoda]

well ye theres only good and evil, if you dont do good you do evil, and (Hebrews 11:6) without faith you cant please Him

there literally is no middle

[arctic grove]

i dont want to please him

[radiant pagoda]

then where do you think He would put you

where you have chosen to be

[arctic grove]

as a matter of fact

the country im from

there are 33 million gods

try pleasing all of them

[velvet dagger]

I don't think debating religions is really gonna get anywhere here lol

[arctic grove]

yea lol

lets debate something else

for example, why i am the best mathematician to ever live.

[radiant pagoda]

32,999,999 of them statues that dont have senses and arent God

[solar mauve]

Hablan español?

[radiant pagoda]

ye ight

[velvet dagger]

Religious discussion is fine and honestly I often find them interesting

[arctic grove]

excuse me?

[radiant pagoda]

i agree it doesnt get anywhere\

[arctic grove]

the fuck do you mean by that

[radiant pagoda]

i mean theres 1 God

[arctic grove]

there isnt

[radiant pagoda]

why are you mad?

[velvet dagger]

But the issue is that unless you're learned scholars in a religion and can debate it properly

It basically becomes a bunch of no u

[radiant pagoda]

EXACTLY

[arctic grove]

coz i dont like blatantly wrong bs

[velvet dagger]

And it has a lot of potential to get offensive

[radiant pagoda]

its not wrong

[arctic grove]

im not even religious but im not gonna let you shit on something you dont know anything about

[velvet dagger]

Because, let's take Christianity vs Buddhism

[radiant pagoda]

ye if someone even hears one thing they can freak out

[radiant pagoda]

i know a lot about it

[arctic grove]

lets see what you know

go on then

[velvet dagger]

I mean really just take religion X vs religion Y that are inconsistent

As far as religion X is concerned

[radiant pagoda]

anyone can take a piece of wood and carve it into a statue and say "god"

that is my point

[velvet dagger]

People who study religion Y are just talking shit

And their whole life is misguided

[arctic grove]

thats not how hindu gods work

[velvet dagger]

Very heavy accusation to levy at someone

[arctic grove]

statues are a representation of the god you are worshipping

[velvet dagger]

e.g. what's happening literally right now

[radiant pagoda]

but when Jesus comes down to earth dies for us raises and says "I am God" that rlly means a lot

[neat lintel]

can someone help me with basic trigo

[arctic grove]

they arent gods themselves by any means

[arctic grove]

#❓how-to-get-help

[radiant pagoda]

ye i would like to use verses but mostly it doesnt work, they dont have faith therefore they dont care to listen or believe, and also when I stop using verses they say "oh so you cant defend it" its rlly so hard to finish even talking about it

cuz no matter what i say ppl would get mad

[neat lintel]

nah I do not need help with sums

[velvet dagger]

You can't use verses to defend Christianity because the validity of those verses presuppose the truth of Christianity

There are ways to debate religion correctly

You simply don't know how to do it

[radiant pagoda]

they dont believe so they will come up with anything

[arctic grove]

[rocky shuttle]

you believe, so you will come up with anything

[radiant pagoda]

you cant debate it to make them believe

[arctic grove]

why do you assume the religion you were made to believe in since birth is the correct one

[velvet dagger]

Caleb I'm gonna put it to you straight, the problem here isn't them it's you lol

[radiant pagoda]

u think i believed it since birth?

[velvet dagger]

I am not Christian and I'm fairly certain that I could defend Christianity much more effectively than you can

[arctic grove]

technically not since birth but you get my point

[neat lintel]

I believe hinduism

[radiant pagoda]

i wasnt taught it, i had it hidden from me in every form until someone came up to me and i get mocked even by my parents for it

[velvet dagger]

I don't mean this as a flex but the problem is you can't start with saying "Oh well first if you believe the Bible than Christianity is true", you have to convince people that the Bible is what's correct

[radiant pagoda]

you literally cant cuz i cant do some miracles through the screen

[arctic grove]

you can try to put up a good argument

[torn willow]

Do you know what it means to believe in Hinduism

[velvet dagger]

So then don't bother caleb

[radiant pagoda]

i can tell u about some but yall prolly wont believe them

[torn willow]

Like what gods do you worship

What's your method of worship

[neat lintel]

vishnu

[radiant pagoda]

thats what im saying i dont want to but if i stop they say "oh so you dont know anything"

[velvet dagger]

If your defense of Christianity relies on miracles that you personally witnessed, the issue is as you say, you cannot communicate them

[neat lintel]

meditation chanting normal aarti

[torn willow]

Ok,ig you know what you are doing

[radiant pagoda]

i literally came in here saying only "Jesus loves yall" and "turn to Him so you can be saved"

[neat lintel]

wbu

[radiant pagoda]

never intended an argument

[arctic grove]

the first part isnt offensive to say

[velvet dagger]

Yeah it should've been clear to you that this would lead to a debate, or at best being ignored by anyone who didn't care

[arctic grove]

its rather fine

the part that is gonna start the fire is the second one

[radiant pagoda]

ye but i cant just leave parts out of the truth

[velvet dagger]

Because "turn to Him so you can be saved" addresses people that already don't believe in Christianity

[radiant pagoda]

He says He's the Way the Truth the Life

[torn willow]

Well what if you knew nothing about Jesus except "magic man who came back to life"

[neat lintel]

bro whom do I need to be saved from?