serious-discussion

[woven whale]

he

[alpine kindle]

in the context of limits infinity is not a number

unless

you use the extended real line

[tall badge]

theres a low tech def of lim=infty

which works a bit like that for a finite lim

[alpine kindle]

which is the real numbers extended with +infty and -infty on either end

[tall badge]

to start u can google ‘epsilon def of limit’

[woven whale]

I know that one

[alpine kindle]

then u should know that divergent limits are undefined

[woven whale]

why should I know

[neat lintel]

neighbourhood definition of limit is better

[alpine kindle]

because "the limit exists if L exists such that..." is pretty clear

[alpine kindle]

topology my beloved but we have no time

[bright hill]

well...

[alpine kindle]

so if you use the extended real line, you can multiply infinity by itself

but infty/infty is undefined

[woven whale]

yes

thank you

[bright hill]

this whole discussion could've been these two lines

[woven whale]

I think I didn't even need that

[bright hill]

i stg

[fringe needle]

Roketto being ignored

[bright hill]

[alpine kindle]

ok but i wanted to actually explain what's going on with infinity

[tall badge]

i cant care enough to put down my margarita and engage at a higher level

[bright hill]

infinity is a really broad concept

[alpine kindle]

yeah

[neat lintel]

i think it makes more sense to think of infinity in this context as equivalence class of limits

[bright hill]

exploring that should've been beyond the scope of this discussion

[neat lintel]

that explains better why inf/inf is undefined

[alpine kindle]

so i wanted to at least introduce the idea

[bright hill]

all illuminator need to know is that +inf isn't an element of a field

[alpine kindle]

that's not a satisfying answer

because you can just use extd real line

[bright hill]

extd real line isn't a field

[woven whale]

right

[bright hill]

is that better?

[alpine kindle]

yes but you can use it for analysis

[neat lintel]

the reason to leave inf/inf undefined is because given two sequences u_n -> inf and v_n -> inf you can have many different behaviours of u_n / v_n

[alpine kindle]

also a bad answer because there are infinities that are

[neat lintel]

it could ->0 or -> inf, ...

so there's not a unique choice of what to pick for inf/inf

[woven whale]

I didn't need $\infty \cdot \infty$ but $\infty - \sum \infty$

[fathom swallow]

illuminator3

[alpine kindle]

it's much better to properly pin down the context first

[woven whale]

what's $\infty - \infty$

[neat lintel]

thats also undefined

[fathom swallow]

illuminator3

[alpine kindle]

undefined yeah

[woven whale]

mehhhhhh

[neat lintel]

because for example x² -> inf and x-> inf and x²-x -> inf however x²-x² -> 0

[bright hill]

the point is that you can't expect mundane operations that work with real numbers to also work with the ext real line

[alpine kindle]

there is one more sense of infinity that's important to talk about here

hyperreals

[woven whale]

ahh

[fringe needle]

Have you ever heard of the tragedy of infinity-categories

[bright hill]

mentioning other infinities at all is a bad idea

[alpine kindle]

hyperreals basically make infinities work like real numbers

[bright hill]

the point is that you can't expect mundane operations that work with real numbers to also work with the ext real line

[alpine kindle]

where infty² ≠ infty

[alpine kindle]

yes i saw

sorry

[alpine kindle]

why

[neat lintel]

maybe because it can confuse them more

[bright hill]

the moral of the story here isn't that "there is more than one infinity"

[neat lintel]

"infinity" means different things depending on context

[bright hill]

it's that "you have to be careful when working with infinity"

[alpine kindle]

this was my initial aim because they posted ∞•∞ with no context

[tall badge]

just finished my drink

[neat lintel]

Roketto i think i have a crush on you

[tall badge]

seems noone wrote the def of lim=infty yet

[neat lintel]

i can write

[bright hill]

lol

[tall badge]

ly2 ❤️

[bright hill]

I dunno, I think it was pretty clear that he was treating inf like a real number

[tall badge]

once i see the def i can rest

maybe order an old fashioned

[neat lintel]

$\forall \epsilon > 0 \exists \delta >0 \forall x\in D 0<|x-a|<\delta \implies |f(x)|>\epsilon$

[fathom swallow]

Carla_

[neat lintel]

D domain, a limit point

[tall badge]

no bars on f(x)

[neat lintel]

if to inf then bars

[tall badge]

btw i think illuminator was doing sequence stuff

[neat lintel]

if to +inf no bars yes

[tall badge]

so i meant lim for sequences

[neat lintel]

fine

limit is +inf or inf?

[tall badge]

+inf

[neat lintel]

$\forall \epsilon > 0 \exists N \forall n>N u_n>\epsilon$

[fathom swallow]

Carla_

[tall badge]

tybb

[woven whale]

,, \lim_{\mathfrak{I}0 \to \infty} \sum{0\leq \mathfrak{n}_0 \leq \mathfrak{I}_0} \blacksmiley\left(\mathfrak{I}0 - \lim{\mathfrak{I}1 \to \infty} \sum{0 \leq \mathfrak{n}_1 \leq \mathfrak{I}_1} \mathfrak{I}_0 - \mathfrak{n}0\right) - \lim{\mathfrak{I}2 \to \infty} \sum{0 \leq \mathfrak{n}_2 \leq \mathfrak{I}2} \blacksmiley\psi (-1)

uhh

[tall badge]

nty

[fathom swallow]

illuminator3

[neat lintel]

Sigh

Smiley face

[deep nebula]

is there anyone who took ap calc right after algebra 2 in highschool? I didnt know my teacher recommanded me in ap calc ab till today where i got my classes. Idk if I can pass the readiness test on the first week

[bright hill]

also, @alpine kindle wdym divergent limits are undefined

(sry for replying too late, I was sent on some errand)

[neat lintel]

I swear I saw that but i ignored it thinking I was missing some context

[neat lintel]

What’s this for?

[woven whale]

I forgot after writing it down

[neat lintel]

this is really bad motivation for people who want to learn pure mathematics

[fringe needle]

I don’t see why this is bad motivation

Being useful is a great motivation to learn anything

It’s not what motivates me to do math but I can see why it would be a strong point for others

[neat lintel]

im not saying its bad motivation for everyone

im saying its for bad motivation for pure mathematics

[fringe needle]

I mean just cause you’re not applying it yourself doesn’t make it less motivating

But I see your point

[sick burrow]

Judith Butler is at Berkeley???

Why have I not realized this until now

Time to bump them up from my 1st choice to my 0th choice

[deep mango]

yeah she is

also i was at berkeley so they should be your -1th choice

[alpine kindle]

eg. lim e^n is undefined since it diverges

[sick burrow]

1st choice it is

[bright hill]

well

you can define it to be inf 🙃

lmao

[sleek wing]

how can it be the Infinium if it gets arbitary large...

[bright hill]

also, convergence/divergence is a property of sequences, not limits in general

[ripe wasp]

just learnt first iso

what are some important results we get from it?

[sleek wing]

literally everything

[ripe wasp]

i heard we get rank nullity from it

what else is there

[sleek wing]

rank nullity is literally just first iso from vector spaces

schur's lemma can be proven pretty quick from first iso is the first one that comes to mind

uhhh every normal subgroup is the kernel of some homomorphism

so you can prove some subset is a normal subgroup by finding some homomorphism it's the kernel of

very useful for example proving A_n is a normal subgroup of S_n

again, these are just the things coming to mind - there are many more

[ripe wasp]

damn

that's a lot

it's a very powerful theorem i see

[sleek wing]

it is

so powerful it's actually true for a lot of objects

vs, groups, modules, rings

[fervent pebble]

anyone have any tips on making life more exciting?

i'm just

insanely bored

like

really badly bored

usually when this happens i manage to find smthn to fixate on for a few months but its not working rn

and i just hate everything

and schoooool is starting up again and it's pain and suffering

anyways

anyone got anything?

[deep mango]

Have you tried rock climbing / bouldering

It's really fun and rewarding

[tawdry falcon]

Have you tried to make origami or to build polyhedra? It's a very nice hobby and can be done from home.

[fervent pebble]

ive been through my origami phase already, sadly, so it doesn't really interest me anymore

rock climbing sounds interesting 👀

[stable ginkgo]

Its so sad i cant practice climbing unless i travel 700 kms

Rowing seems nice tho

[fading tusk]

are u in amsterdam?

or in kansas?

[stable ginkgo]

No im in flatland india

Closest hills=700 km away

[keen lintel]

where in India btw? I'm too from India

[stable ginkgo]

Kolkata

[neat frost]

Pizza.

OOO

Learn latex!!!!!!!!

Yesh yesh yesh

[wary zephyr]

Tried reading books?

[storm stump]

i'm trying to print my thesis and i sent my printer person some test files with certain crop marks and bleed margins and i'm really confused about their response

"The cut marks that are now only placed on one side of the design are not needed. All we need is the bleed margins."
but how do I indicate the bleed margins without the crop marks

i do not understand anythink

[open aspen]

Congrats on your new icon ryc

Very epic

[true bough]

Oh yeah i can vouch for that

[fervent pebble]

ik latexxx

[fervent pebble]

i've read every book i care to read for now, at least

besides the ones on my to-read list

currently on 'a portrait of the artist as a young man' by joyce

[storm sage]

ayyy I love that book

have you read the christmas dinner scene yet

it's so visceral

[fervent pebble]

||the one where mr dedalus, casey, and dante have the argument over the irish priesthood? yeah i thought it was really fuckin well written, i was like||

||invested and shit||

[storm sage]

yea that scene is amazing oh my god

[odd narwhal]

"I've read all the books I care to read besides the ones I haven't yet"

[iron osprey]

x post

what do career statisticians find themselves doing most of the time, outside of administrative/bureaucratic fluff? does it largely vary by industry? does anyone have industry experience to talk ab this?

[fervent pebble]

yup!

[iron osprey]

my closest exposure to it is just what statistical studies manufacturing engineers find themselves doing in mfg companies

so not professional, trained statisticians

[ancient flame]

I have purchased everything on my list for college!!

[storm sage]

yay!

[neat frost]

Then learn tex

[fervent pebble]

i'm no masochist

[neat frost]

Tex is fun

Dumdum

[open aspen]

Tex is fun until you include a graphic

[neat frost]

Why would you ever do that

Also using pdftex I don’t think it’s that hard

I’m just too lazy to read the manual

Everything is better than word

Hell fucking lyx is better than word

[vivid halo]

yeah

[neat lintel]

How expensive was it?

I was going towards 800 dollars

Which sucked

Big tip buy stuff as you need it

[ancient flame]

well I already had most of my list done

we were just getting the last few things

but we spent like $150-200 today

[wooden flax]

nG congrats on honorable!!

[neat frost]

Uncongrats to nG

[deep mango]

Slurp (ryc for admin)

[hollow sundial]

Ryc for helper

[deep mango]

Don't give namington any ideas

[tender tulip]

why is the prime spectrum of an ideal important

[vivid halo]

of a commutative ring you mean?

[wooden flax]

Zariski Topology

[vivid halo]

if you have a commutative ring R, the prime spectrum Spec(R) is sort of the universal space such that the ring of functions on this space is R

[grizzled grove]

We had modular forms for SL(2,Z), then we put in some congruence subgroups and get modular forms for that...but now why would one want to get more such crazy functions by defining functions in crazy objects like fuschsian groups.

[tender tulip]

The condition of primality seems to be like finding a sublattice of the lattice of ideals that specifically has closure under binary unions

[grizzled grove]

It is addition of more and more parameters to generalize the theory. And now these classical automorphic forms seems like a date of hyperbolic geometry with complex analysis to generalize classical modular forms

[vivid halo]

I mean the reason is that we have many more interesting kinds of groups acting on the upper half plane other than congruence subgroups of SL_2(Z)

crucially none of the examples like SL_2(Z) or \Gamma_0(N) or \Gamma_1(N) or \Gamma(N) are cocompact, meaning the corresponding modular curves are not compact, they have some cusps that you have to add back in

but there are cocompact Fuchsian groups like the triangle groups that give you compact quotients of the upper half plane

[grizzled grove]

This has to do something with their fundamental domains being compact and stuff. Most of times for congruence subgroups it is not compact. Right?

[vivid halo]

yeah this is never compact for any of the congruence subgroups

[grizzled grove]

But how did the aim to generalize modular forms for SL(2,Z) comes from changing groups is the only reasonable way to generalize?

Is it because we want functional equations

Later

[vivid halo]

I mean changing the group is an obvious way to generalize yes

I mean here we're not even changing the underlying group G=GL_2 that much, we're passing to an inner form essentially

[grizzled grove]

Moreover we now have general automorphy factor etc stuff which satisfies some rules. But ultimately at the end what kind of L functions it leads to ? Must be very similar to these modular forms L functions

But do we have modularity ?

[vivid halo]

yeah you basically end up with the same GL_2 L-functions

[grizzled grove]

I think the way this much theory is needed to go from SL(2,Z) to any discrete subgroup of PSL(2,Z), which is by introduction of hyperbolic geometry and automorphy factor etc...i hope for GL(n,Z) kind of stuff it is not much different

Or there are much more theories needed again

[vivid halo]

well so you can write down automorphic forms for GL_n in the same way as you can for GL_2

there's a little more bookkeeping involved but it's not that different

one big difference is that you never have any holomorphic modular forms for n>2

so you pretty much only have Maass forms

[grizzled grove]

And i hope mostly we would be studying GL(n,Z) functions by studying how it breaks into lower GL(d,z) d<n type functions. Like is it same kind of how representation are broken into irreducible ?

[vivid halo]

that is sort of what you do yeah, for GL_n you have cusp forms for GL_n, and then you have Eisenstein series coming from Levi quotients of parabolics of GL_n

those Levi quotients will look like GL_n_1x...xGL_n_m

[grizzled grove]

It's always the algebraic objects being introduced for getting generalized stuff ...like Riemann Zeta function was purely complex based functions and generalized to dedekind Zeta function and then to Artin L functions. All this is due to algebraic thought process. On the other side no one cares much about Hurwitz Zeta function. Thank God multiple Zeta functions saved some respect of analytic nt people. And now i see that in modular forms also it is the groups and their geometry generalizing this classical analysis type objects. Do we have multiple GL(n,Z) type stuff too like MZV

[vivid halo]

I don't think much is known about the "multiple" analogues of this automorphic stuff

[grizzled grove]

Yeah that would be crazy book keeping

Just Artin L functions only had me rolling through algebra a lot

[vivid halo]

that starts to run into foundational Langlands stuff that we don't really how to answer

anyways an example you should look into going back to Fuchsian groups

the relationship between the (2,3,7) triangle group and Hurwitz curves

[fervent pebble]

DID WEW GET HONORABLE

[vivid halo]

those are some really nice examples of compact quotients of cocompact Fuchsian groups

[fervent pebble]

hi ng gratz

but

did wew get it

?

[vivid halo]

no lol

[fervent pebble]

@sleek wing

wow

what a loser

lmfao

[grizzled grove]

What is honourable?

[vivid halo]

yellow name

it doesn't actually mean anything important lol

[grizzled grove]

I mean what is special about yellow ?

Oh ok

I am stupid..i never noticed it...i thought these colours are by choice

[vivid halo]

most of them are automatically assigned by a bot

like active and very active are based on chat activity

[grizzled grove]

Ya I think I ain't active because it is taking weeks to read just 1 page of that iwaniec book...so it's sometimes torture. On the other side Artin L functions although they look innocent but i know they'd strike harder then GL(2,Z) stuff later.

[neat lintel]

That is why trusted is better

[sleek wing]

if you actually think someone like me gets honourable you're mental

[icy crag]

#help-15

[fervent pebble]

" @neat lintelable — these are people who have consistently demonstrated courtesy, reasonability, and helpfulness around the server; and whom we consider to be exemplary members of our community."

courtesy: youve said nice things to ppl smtimes
reasonability: never have i ever seen a more reasonable person when it comes to trolling ppl
helpfulness: very helpful when you want ot be
exemplary member of community: duh

[sleek wing]

Hello Mr. Honor

[fervent pebble]

...

[hollow sundial]

Wew for honorable except on a set of measure zero

and since this server's set is isomorphic to the set of rationals, that'll never happen.

[bright hill]

yeee

this is bigbrain time

[sleek wing]

I’m putting the counting measure on Q, biatch

Zoinks! Looks like you have been coaxed into a snarfu of your own construction

[hollow sundial]

Proof: Wew Lads diagonalization argument

[tender tulip]

Lets say we have a bounded lattice with maxima and minima, and every subposet of the lattice has a supremum. Define an element to be prime if for any two elements, their meet is less than the prime element if and only if either of the two prior elements are less than the prime element. For any element, we can define the Lead of an element to be the set of prime ideals greater than the element.

The intersection of the leads of any set of elements is just the lead of the supremum of the set, obviously, and is closed under uncountable intersection. The union of the leads literally is just the lead of the meet by the literal definition of primality. The lead of the maximal elements is the empty set. The lead of the minimal elements is the set of all primes. Thus we have an “antitopology” over the set of prime elemenrs, or a topology where the closed sets are these leads

this is useless though because we pick out prime elements just so we have a topology

[wooden flax]

This server is isomorphic to the free group on all peoplewith active

Or maybe honorable

[arctic grove]

i also satisfy all these criteria!

i deserve honorable!

[deep mango]

helpfulness

[fervent pebble]

LMFAO

[arctic grove]

i am more helpful than u are!

i help more people

coz i am online all day

[ancient flame]

$dx\wedge dy(\hat i, \hat j)=1$

[deep mango]

I may help only once in a while but my help is worth its weight in gold

[fathom swallow]

gmod

[ancient flame]

:D

[arctic grove]

and since its all online, the weight is 0.

[arctic grove]

wtf is this

[ancient flame]

do you guys write i-hat and j-hat with or without the dot

[arctic grove]

😵‍💫

[ancient flame]

differential forms!

[arctic grove]

with the dot

[arctic grove]

teach meeeeeeee

[deep mango]

What... Fuck you

[ancient flame]

my phone autocorrected j-hat to jihad

[neat lintel]

delete this

[ancient flame]

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL22w63XsKjqzQZtDZO_9s2HEMRJnaOTX7

[arctic grove]

you got owned.

[ancient flame]

exemplary member of the community

[ancient flame]

why

[deep mango]

I am exemplary

[neat lintel]

\hat i \hat j

[arctic grove]

[ancient flame]

how am I supposed to do it then

[arctic grove]

tterra, its just physics notation

[ancient flame]

wait what

[arctic grove]

no need to be scared of it

[ancient flame]

basis vectors

???

@neat lintel what's the proper way?

[neat lintel]

don't take me too seriously i've had some drinks

[ancient flame]

bruh

lol

[neat lintel]

but no one uses i and j for basis vectors

[deep mango]

In differential geometry we often use \partial_x and \partial_y for this

[ancient flame]

???

[arctic grove]

Cool

[deep mango]

Or \partial_j for j = 1, ..., n

[ancient flame]

I meant for like R²

[deep mango]

There is a good reason for this

But its hard to explain

[ancient flame]

for what

[deep mango]

Has to do with equating vectors with directional derivative operations

For the unit vectors

[ancient flame]

oh rly

oh wait what's the difference between basis vectors and unit vectors

unit vectors are more general right

basis vectors are a type of unit vector?

[deep mango]

Yeah or people use \partial / \partial x, ...

[ancient flame]

weird

I would like to learn diffgeo soon

[deep mango]

Sorry I meant the basis vectors

[arctic grove]

unit vectors are just any vector with "length" 1

[ancient flame]

yeah

basis vectors just go along the "axes" right

[arctic grove]

they dont have to

[ancient flame]

oh what

[deep mango]

These do though

[neat lintel]

A basis vector is linear independent and span the entire space

[ancient flame]

like linear independence n shit

yeah

[neat lintel]

I think thats the definition

let ryc talk

[ancient flame]

ok

[arctic grove]

basis vectors need to be linearly independent, and span the set

they can be whatever u like

[deep mango]

Probably the best word for it is the coordinate vectors

[arctic grove]

[ancient flame]

icic

[deep mango]

Anyway feel free to use ijk for now but that will fall out of practice quickly

[ancient flame]

in about a week and a half I will have to unmute #probability-statistics

[deep mango]

Especially since there is no 4th letter to use

Which is good

[ancient flame]

since I will be taking the course

[ancient flame]

yeah it's more of a linear algebra thing right

[neat lintel]

just another reason to hate 4 manifolds...

[ancient flame]

l

[neat lintel]

yup you took the L

[magic night]

is the ti nspire cx ii is better than the ti nspire cx ii cas?

[ancient flame]

LOL

[deep mango]

Also

[neat lintel]

what is a wedge product

[deep mango]

Whatever

[arctic grove]

Helpfulness

[ancient flame]

$\omega_1\wedge\omega_2(v_1,v_2)=\det\begin{pmatrix}\omega_1(v_1) & \omega_2(v_1) \ \omega_1(v_2) & \omega_2(v_2) \end{pmatrix}$

[neat lintel]

lol

[ancient flame]

wtf

[neat lintel]

Lmao

[fathom swallow]

gmod

[ancient flame]

there we go

[deep mango]

I dont know what a damn wedge product is

[ancient flame]

where omega's are differential forms

[deep mango]

I know how to define it in like 4 ways

[ancient flame]

oof

[deep mango]

But idk how to tell you what the picture is

[arctic grove]

[ancient flame]

determinant of that matrix

[deep mango]

Basically you pop two vectors together into a parallelogram

[ancient flame]

which is like the area of the parallelogram bounded by the vectors

[deep mango]

Thats it

[ancient flame]

yeah

that's in 2d tho

then k-forms

[neat lintel]

k-parallelepiped moment

[deep mango]

Its the same in higher dimensions, you're still popping k parallelopepids onto l parallelopepids

[ancient flame]

[deep mango]

And you're like

[ancient flame]

icic

[deep mango]

Idk

They're signed

By the orientation

That comes from the order you list the edges

[ancient flame]

damn like

[deep mango]

[ancient flame]

I feel so much better that I can talk about this kind of stuff now

after like

basic videos

this shit is interesting

[arctic grove]

indeed!

thats why i have been trying to half ass and still learn it

its so much fun

[ancient flame]

lol

like I said earlier I think I've found the right path I want to go down

bc like algebra is cool but I don't seem to have enough motivation to learn it

[arctic grove]

i have enough motivation

but not the power to learn it

😭

[ancient flame]

lol

[storm sage]

TRUE

[ancient flame]

:D

[neat lintel]

Algebra is cool n all and so is analysis but i think i prefer number theory since both are present (although id go more towards analytic number theory)

analytic number theory

[wild lantern]

They could have called it anything and yet they chose "analytic number theory" over "numbernalysis".

[neat lintel]

Analytic number theory makes it clear that there’s some kind of analytic structure in place

[full isle]

bruh what does this mean in general

i always find it weird how analytic methods come into some problems

[neat lintel]

We usually equip a set with structures and make couples or triples etc

Not all number theory has an analytic structure involved

[full isle]

ive heard of this in many different contexts

[neat lintel]

That’s how some fields are born

You explore and strike gold repeatedly

[neat lintel]

Im still drunk from last night

[jaunty stag]

ok

[neat lintel]

Yeyeyeye

[storm stump]

should i try to learn the violin

[cinder vale]

defo

[storm stump]

i have no previous experience with any instrument except vaguely with the ukulele (and the recorder from elementary school)

[surreal sapphire]

if you arent expecting too much of yourself, yes

friend of mine got an electric violin somewhat recently

without prior experience

[neat frost]

No #serious-discussion is mine

[eager reef]

shut up

[neat frost]

No. Mine.

[spiral flicker]

@errant ridge it depends on what you're looking for.

[errant ridge]

wdym?

I would like to yk participate in some amatuer tournaments or whatever

[eager reef]

are you looking to become a good/respected practitioner of a traditional martial art

that takes decades

[spiral flicker]

You can get a black belt in most styles in the 5-10 year range.

[eager reef]

Tournaments are a different story

i used to do competitive martial arts

you can start doing them early on

[errant ridge]

tbh I wanna participate in some tournaments/be able to defend myself (if I did find myself in such a situation, which is unlikely yes)

[eager reef]

just don't expect to win them at the beginning lol

[errant ridge]

Lol yeah

[eager reef]

those are 2 entirely different things

[spiral flicker]

But if you really want to "know" martial arts then it's basically endless. I started when I was 8 and am approaching 20 years with the school.

[errant ridge]

you can't do both?

[eager reef]

you can i guess but they are different

[errant ridge]

makes sense

[spiral flicker]

You can but they're very different goals with different timelines.

[eager reef]

you wouldn't want to train traditionally if your goal is to defend yourself

[errant ridge]

I see

[storm stump]

how are they doin' with it

[errant ridge]

I mean, obivously no matter how good i get my first thought is to run away

because why wouldn't you?

[eager reef]

there is a big difference between martial arts and actual fighting where you need to defend yourself

but martial arts does help with that

some more than others

[spiral flicker]

But even "defend yourself" can mean a lot of things. Like, do you mean defend yourself when an MMA fighter that's getting aggressive in a bar or do you want to stay safe in everyday life?

[errant ridge]

stay safe in everyday life I guess

[spiral flicker]

Honestly that's the best start you can have lol

[errant ridge]

Lol yeah

[eager reef]

I agree

[spiral flicker]

I've never met a lifelong martial artist who would say otherwise.

[errant ridge]

but im talking about, if I couldn't, then I'd have to defend myself and I don't wanna be totally helpless

[eager reef]

you never know if the other person is armed

or has people who will help them that you havent noticed

[errant ridge]

hm true yeah

[eager reef]

or you do the good old

throw the first punch and run away

make it a good punch tho

[errant ridge]

punch to the nose

[surreal sapphire]

he gets to play in some band and is enjoying it

[spiral flicker]

Throw your wallet in their face, punch, run.

[storm stump]

oh cute

[eager reef]

a punch to the nose is a nice distraction but won't knock them out

[storm stump]

in a band without prior experience sounds like a jump

[eager reef]

gets tears in their eyes tho so thats a plus

[spiral flicker]

My favorite quote that I've heard I response to "what is the best technique in the martial arts" is "don't be there when the punch arrives"

[eager reef]

LOL

thats a good one

[errant ridge]

I'm thinking about getting into martial arts for multiple reasons, a 3rd one is developing discipline

[spiral flicker]

Lol I agree. That was from Fumio Demura about 30 years ago I think? I'd need to check my books to be sure. He's a Japanese master and has been extremely devoted to the art since long before I was born.

[neat lintel]

i don't think it's very funny tbh

[eager reef]

That's a you problem

it's definitely funny

[spiral flicker]

Lol I love that this is where you chimed in 😘

[eager reef]

I find people who stay with traditional martial arts pretty cool

like at some point you see that it's so much more than just the techniques and fights

all the culture behind it

honestly great

[neat lintel]

i just opened chat now. what do you think about public kissing?

[errant ridge]

ab = a . b + a b

kissing my copy of introduction to differential geometry in public

I say yes

[eager reef]

I quit "traditional" martial arts for boxing and kickboxing a long time ago tho

sometimes i miss it

[spiral flicker]

Another quote that I heard in a documentary on Musashi from when History channel had history: "martial arts is a language and a black belt means that you know the alphabet"

[neat lintel]

what about a non-black belt

[eager reef]

that's a great one as well damn

[spiral flicker]

I enjoy it but we may get banned 😅

[neat lintel]

i dont mind getting banned of lowmath

[spiral flicker]

That comes down to what I said about different goals. A non black belt can defend themselves just fine. If you internalize that "avoiding a fight is the smart choice" then you'll do very well safety wise. But it's not the same as really being a martial artist.

[spiral flicker]

Ok but if half of what we say in DMs ends up here then I feel like they'd find a way to IP ban us 🤣

And I like this server, I'd like to avoid that lol

[neat lintel]

🤧

[spiral flicker]

So one of the styles that is taught at our school is an old iaido style and I really enjoy it because it has a very heavy emphasis on philosophy from the start.

[spiral flicker]

If you want personal safety, tournaments, and discipline then I'd look for a traditional school that competes in public tournaments. I'm not saying that you won't get discipline from a non-traditional school like an MMA gym but they usually aren't run with the same emphasis on structured formats that traditional styles do.

Also for anyone interested in martial arts who likes movies, watch the Karate Kid series (not the Jackie Chan one) and then watch Cobra Kai on Netflix.

[errant ridge]

hm I was hoping MMA would be good for that, but I guess I can go for other forms it as well

[honest veldt]

what are you sayin my guy

[errant ridge]

"a traditional school that competes in public tournaments"

[honest veldt]

the Jackie chan one is the best

[tender tulip]

Doing staff for 8 years in martial arts tournaments gave me trigger finger in both my pinkies

[spiral flicker]

The movies are wonderful 80s camp and the show does an amazing job of recapturing and embracing that while also being more self aware.

[tender tulip]

the payoff is I can make an ungodly whooshing noise with any elongated staff-like object

[errant ridge]

miza badass

[spiral flicker]

Oh I like it to but it's not a part of the same franchise. At least not yet.

Oh my god I want Smith to show up in Cobra Kai now 🤣

[tender tulip]

most people do sword or nunchucks as a tournament weapon and my dumbass chose staff

[errant ridge]

btw what do you mean by that "structured formats that traditional styles do."

[spiral flicker]

Bo is fun but I prefer eku because just carrying it turns heads lol

[tender tulip]

ye

that and fan

fan forms are fun as fuck

useless but fun

unless you have a very sharp edged fan like my old grandmaster has and then it’s just a horrifying dagger

[errant ridge]

I wonder if it's possible to practice martial arts by yourself after training for a few years?

[spiral flicker]

So traditional styles are pretty universally rooted in one of two things: formal military or informal resistance movements. As such, the style was taught in a very rigid, repetitive structure with things like ranks, titles, a lot of formality, etc. It's not for everyone and I wouldn't say that it's better than the alternative but discipline naturally follows.

[errant ridge]

ah okay

makes sense

[spiral flicker]

That, again, depends lol (sorry, that's just pretty universally the answer). You can certainly train and then keep practicing on your own but there are things that you won't be getting, namely partners to work with and the corrections of an instructor. No matter what you learn and how hard you try to stop it, you will change what you learn. It just naturally drifts. If you don't have someone who knows the original to correct you then you'll start mutating it.

[errant ridge]

haha don't worry I'm used to hearing/saying "Depends" as an answer

[spiral flicker]

Fans are so cool. On the other end of that is the kanabō but I haven't used either lol

[tender tulip]

Ye

[errant ridge]

so you can't perfectly learn new things on your own but you can maintain the skills you already have?

"No matter what you learn and how hard you try to stop it, you will change what you learn. It just naturally drifts." hm yeah okay

[spiral flicker]

Wonderful! Then I'll lean into it: martial arts is an extremely personal journey. Who you are, what you want, what you're willing to do, and who you find to help you will lead you in INCREDIBLY different directions. None of those directions is necessarily "better" or "right" outside of subjective opinion. Like I can answer questions but (especially without knowing you better) it's all steeped in my perspective and is almost certainly not perfect advice from you.

[errant ridge]

fair enough

how do you choose which martial arts "gym" or school is good for you?

[spiral flicker]

We do use a really cool Chinese weapon that I always struggle to find info on. The name that I can most consistently find info under (which isn't saying much) is "crescent moon saber"

[tender tulip]

scythe

handheld scythe

Used for farming (cutting stalks) but repurposed as a weapon

No it’s a Sickle

handheld scythe is a sickle

same purpose but smol

[spiral flicker]

That's extremely subjective lol. In my case, I didn't choose my school. My mom and her brother had trained together as teenagers and she had plenty of her own opinions on it (chief among them that if I was going to train then it would be in the furthest thing from her school lol). She had a friend in one of the other moms at my school. Her son's (my friends) and she had both trained at a local school and she had become a black belt in the style. I was told that if I was going to train, then I would train there. In 2024 I'll have been there for 20 years.

[tender tulip]

god damn, that’s epic

[errant ridge]

wow nice

[spiral flicker]

Kama is the word that you're looking for lol. Traditional (and still in use in rural areas btw) Okinawan farming tool. Very fun, and I recently learned that the professor I've been working with was a 3rd Dan in a traditional Okinawan style and had used the kama extensively.

[neat lintel]

karma police

[spiral flicker]

Lol, I wouldn't say epic but I'm proud of it

Funny thing about that school: the kids that became black belts are VERY likely to have pursued ambitious higher education, especially in engineering. 5 of the people that I came up with became engineers, a couple of those with MS degrees and one just left for California to get his PhD in biochemical engineering. Another is in med school, another is in law school, and I'm working on getting into a PhD for math.

There are other examples that I don't know as well personally but my "group" held to this trend.

Oh! And one joined the national guard and they sent him to Serbia to get his MS in environmental engineering.

So while I will not say that my school is the best school, I firmly believe that it's the best school for me and it's absolutely the first one that I recommend for kids.

[distant elk]

Hey guys

[spiral flicker]

Hey

[distant elk]

Drenk

Do u know simple financial math

[spiral flicker]

Zouzoubro911

How simple?

[distant elk]

let me dm a question

[severe swallow]

basic stochastic calculus

[distant elk]

Or a set of really simple questions

is that ok?

[spiral flicker]

Lol if it warrants a DM then I almost certainly don't know it but go for it

[tender tulip]

Is the “subset product” of two normal subgroups the “smallest” normal subgroup containing them

aka, does normal subgroup-ness form a lattice where the join is the product and the meet is the intersection

[neat lintel]

yes cuz any subgroup containing H and K must also contain all elements of HK since closed for the operation

[tender tulip]

if R is a ring, then the ideals form a sublattice

but do prime ideals form a sub-sub lattice

[tender tulip]

no they don’t, cry

[dire beacon]

if i want an exponentional function from x=0 y=100 to x=69 y=900, is it possible to create?

or at least close like y in range 875-925

[deep mango]

Sure

[tall badge]

yeah you can ask wolfram to do it

,w plot e^x, x=[0,69], y=[100,900]

[deep mango]

Uhh

[fathom swallow]

Results provided by WolframAlpha

Click here to refine your query online
Upgrade to WolframAlpha Pro!

Requested by RokettoJanpu#6002

[deep mango]

I think they mean an exponential that interpolates those two points

Like

y = 100*a^x

[tall badge]

oh i read the question as plot within these bounds

[deep mango]

And then we need to pick a so that 900 = 100*(a^69)

Now it's your job to figure out what a is @dire beacon

[dire beacon]

ok

[fathom swallow]

Results provided by WolframAlpha

Click here to refine your query online
Upgrade to WolframAlpha Pro!

Requested by Hampter Wheel 404#1121

[dire beacon]

how do i get the equation out of that?

or the thing you type into the graphical calculator with just one variable

[tall badge]

i read the question as 'plot e^x with these axis bounds'

if thats not what you meant then disregard

[dire beacon]

i used x^2/6

but the start was too slow

and the end too fast

but i dont want it to be same rise everywhere

[tall badge]

can u clarify what ur asking for?

[dire beacon]

first it needs to look like this

it kinda reassembles 2^2/6.1+100 but that haves too slow start and fast end

idk, im bad at explaining

if you dont know what i mean, then nevermind

ill just combine multiple functions together

[tall badge]

u wanna fit the curve

[dire beacon]

yes i guess

[tall badge]

and u first picked an exponential fit

[dire beacon]

i have this as the main curve

ill just make additional curve with something smaller than 6.1 at lower x values

it does not have to be one continuous curve

[tall badge]

u can use the fit ryc suggested

[dire beacon]

ok

[tall badge]

y = 100*a^x
plug the point (70,800) to find a, u also need to add a constant so that it hits (0,0)

[dire beacon]

ok, mabye im just too stupid for that

[tall badge]

lets add -1 first so it hits (0,0)

y=100a^x-1

[dire beacon]

ok

i have geogebra in the next window opened, so what do i enter there?

[tall badge]

weve not found a yet

(70,800) is a point on the curve, we can use it to find a

[dire beacon]

ok

[tall badge]

@misty lake dont shitpost here

[misty lake]

society

[ripe stirrup]

Society

[ancient flame]

society

[neat lintel]

sobriety

[errant ridge]

society

[neat lintel]

whats everyones favourite topological space

[ancient flame]

Top

[wooden flax]

Zariski Topology

[zealous garden]

My answer isn't family friendly

[neat lintel]

tell me in dms

[odd narwhal]

Not a space

[wooden flax]

ok fine i thought that nobody would notice

[storm sage]

Q endowed with the usual metric

[sleek wing]

long line

[storm sage]

it's nice and simple...

[wooden flax]

idk then?? euclidian space?? hilbert space??

like wtf is this

[storm sage]

real numbers are scary

[peak tide]

the best topology is the discrete topology, i don't want any constraints on my open sets 😁

[leaden torrent]

my favourite space is

[wooden flax]

Lol

my favorite space is

[neat lintel]

my favourite is the Baire space maybe

[zealous garden]

Best topological space is the hyperreal number line

[odd narwhal]

neither of these are topological spaces either, they are families of spaces

[eager reef]

Sierpinski Space

[neat lintel]

sierpinski space is a good

did you know that a topological space is T_0 iff it can be embedded into a power of the sierpinski space?

[wooden flax]

ok fine euclidian n space

there??

[eager reef]

I did not know that

I remember using it for some counterexamples concerning seperation axioms

But it’s been a while

[neat lintel]

Stated categorically, this means that the sierpinski space is an M-coseparator in the category of T_0 topological spaces with M being the class of topological embeddings

[eager reef]

I see

[grand sapphire]

i like the name "alexandroff cube" more

falls in line with cantor cube and tychonoff cube

[storm sage]

sierpiński is fun to pronounce

<3 polish

[neat lintel]

do you like polish spaces?

[storm sage]

I didn't know that was a thing :O

[grand sapphire]

i can relate to that

my favorite topology theorem name so far is the Hewitt-Marczewski-Pondicery

[storm sage]

that's beautiful

my favorite math name is the "Bar-Hillel–Ajdukiewicz pomonoid"

[ashen gate]

I got algebra honors for 8th grade is it hard

[neat lintel]

what the hell is algebra honors for 8th grade

[ashen gate]

its says algebra I honors @neat lintel

[odd narwhal]

which n

[tight comet]

n=pi

[wooden flax]

💀

[radiant hatch]

each school or district has different curriculum , and whats hard for one person may not be hard for another so its really just subjective.

[storm sage]

yeah there's no real way we can answer this

[tender tulip]

is there a way to specify normal extensions and seperable extensions through homomorphisms or smth

The main problem i face is specifying if a given polynomial is linear without referencing it’s degree

originally I was going to try to “compare” the extension somehow to F[X]/<P(X)> where P(X) is irreducible

but field homomorphisms are always injective and that kinda breaks down

also seperability is prime characteristic might be an issue

Actually, for every splitting field G of an irreducible polynomial P over field F also an extension of F[X]/<P(X)>

[plucky zodiac]

Can I ask thermodynamics or mechanics of materials here

[tall badge]

@plucky zodiac see physics server in #old-network

[plucky zodiac]

Thanks

[ancient flame]

bro now everything from calc 3 is clicking

the exterior derivative on a 1-form in R³ precisely gives curl

[neat lintel]

using the metric tensor on R^3 you identify vector fields with 1-forms

take the exterior derivative for a 2-form

do some more geometry ("hodge star") to get a (3 - 2 = 1)-form

and then use the metric tensor again to get a vector field back

the result is curl

[ancient flame]

idk what metric tensors are

also hodge star is coming soon but not yet

but like did I say smth incorrect or no

[neat lintel]

replace metric tensor by "inner product" or "dot product" even

[ancient flame]

oh ok

[neat lintel]

i'm just clarifying on "precisely"

[ancient flame]

icic

what does identify mean in this context?

[neat lintel]

get an isomorphism between and apply it

[ancient flame]

oh ok

[neat lintel]

in R^3 it's just (P, Q, R) -> P dx + Q dy + R dz

[ancient flame]

yeah

[neat lintel]

this is defined in terms of the coordinates on R^3, but you may give a coordinate-free definition of this. good to keep in mind if you're interested in generalizing this to other situations

[ancient flame]

makes sense

yeah im basically going through that michael penn playlist and getting the general ideas

once im done with this I will formally learn it through a book

[ancient flame]

holy shit grad curl and div are just exterior derivatives

damn

alright that's enough for today

💤

[errant ridge]

[errant ridge]

the differential forms playlist?

[ancient flame]

yes

[errant ridge]

I should go through that too, it seems nice

[ancient flame]

it really is

[arctic grove]

Oooo

teach me

[arctic grove]

dont u dare

[errant ridge]

shyshu my name is more accurate now

[arctic grove]

[ancient flame]

no smh

[arctic grove]

No its not!

[arctic grove]

whyyyyyyyyyyyyy

im not that dumb!

😭

[ancient flame]

bc im literally learning it myself

lmao

[arctic grove]

then teaching me is ensuring that u are learning it all

explaining to others is the best proof that u have learnt something

[errant ridge]

you know what they say teaching is the best way to learn

[ancient flame]

but I don't know it well enough

that's the problem

[arctic grove]

no worries

just tell me what u think it is

u dont need to do it rn lol

go sleep

[ancient flame]

LMAO

[arctic grove]

i will ping u later

[ancient flame]

alright

2 hours later

jk

[errant ridge]

when you're sleeping

[ancient flame]

LOL

[arctic grove]

[ancient flame]

alright I do have to sleep

gn!!

[arctic grove]

Noo

Gn!

[arctic grove]

[errant ridge]

30 mins later: still online

[ancient flame]

nahhhh

2 am lol

[errant ridge]

[spiral escarp]

Hi,
Is there anyone from India who wanna be in a team with me for an online maths competition in November. I need 5 people.
Please hit me up.

[woven whale]

@spiral escarp do I need to be indian or can I also just act indian

[spiral escarp]

Its a country based competition.

So you need to be in India

However, I think u can join it from ur own country

The competition is wmtc

Its a little like arml

[cinder zephyr]

Are there any good math study abroad programs in France?

[fading tusk]

at what level?

you are a student at x and want to go to france?

[ancient flame]

hello world

[neat frost]

hola moddy

When do you start uni?

[ancient flame]

hi!!!

6 days!!!

[neat frost]

OOOOO

[ancient flame]

well thats when I move in

I start 3 days later

[neat frost]

Gonst to be a bizbiz major right?

[ancient flame]

yeee

bizbiz

[neat frost]

Get hella rich

[ancient flame]

yessss

[neat frost]

Buy me some food

[ancient flame]

my roommate will be a biomedical engineering major LOL

[neat frost]

Eggineer LOL

NO???!!!!?!!!

[ancient flame]

lmao

[neat frost]

;-;

[ancient flame]

so he gonna have zero time

I will have a lot of time

[neat frost]

Nah it’s biology and eggineering

Joke degree

[ancient flame]

and we probably will make comparable salaries

[neat frost]

[ancient flame]

lol

[neat frost]

Ask him to do some proofs

Make him cry

[ancient flame]

LOL

he's taking calc 3 first semester

he's gonna be like "wtf are these triple integrals" and ill be like "oh small child"

[neat frost]

Yeah you show him how to swindle those integrals out of their money

Do you know what your courses will be?

[ancient flame]

lol

yeah

stats, econ, intro to business, marketing, and some dumb gen ed course

[deep mango]

uhhhh did u know u can do all this with differential forms?? 🤓

[ancient flame]

LMAOOOOO

[deep mango]

gmod is about to make this guy's life a living hell

[neat frost]

Hola rycie bycie

[ancient flame]

low key probably will say that

[ancient flame]

thats my goal!!!

[neat frost]

High key

Cuz you’re gonna be hella stoned

Like ryc!

[ancient flame]

nahhhhh

LOL

[deep mango]

Illegal until the age of 21 federally

[neat frost]

Oh right cuz you’re Americans LOL

Stupid

[deep mango]

Yes

[neat frost]

(You)

(You stupid)

[ancient flame]

oh

[deep mango]

It's probably not too dumb for weed

[ancient flame]

it?

[neat frost]

What’s dumb is that that shit is legalized at all

[deep mango]

Cause it fucks with your brain development or whatever if you're younger

idk

[ancient flame]

oh yeah

[neat frost]

So does caffeine

And time

[ancient flame]

I will not do drugs or alcohol

I don't drink coffee anyway

I do do time unfortunately

[neat frost]

Time reeeeaaaaallly changes your brain while developing

[deep mango]

Coffee is a special treat

[neat frost]

HAHA LOZSER

[ancient flame]

o

[deep mango]

It is not to be had most days

[ancient flame]

yeah

[neat frost]

I have large amounts of caffeine every day

[deep mango]

It also just makes me feel worse

[fading tusk]

how do you decide which days are special

jitters?

[deep mango]

Monster energy iced coffees are not coffee

[neat frost]

Every day is special to me because I don’t have favorites

[neat frost]

I said caffeine

Also

[fading tusk]

I had a legit coffee yesterday it was good but 1 buck

[neat frost]

I do have coffee

As well as energy drinks

[fading tusk]

I usually have instant coffee mixed in a mermalade jar

[deep mango]

Sometimes I get a croissant or something at a bakery and I get a latte with it

[deep mango]

Disgusting

[ancient flame]

slorpy u die 30

[neat frost]

On a different note I got a chocolate milkshake today from McDonald’s

Vury gud

[errant ridge]

is the julia set the "boundary" of something like a mandelbrot set?

[ancient flame]

bruh

[fading tusk]

mcdonalds in spain is so bad 😦

[deep mango]

Chocolate milkshakes way better than coffee

[deep mango]

No not really?

[ancient flame]

whats the span of mcdonalds

[errant ridge]

what is it?

[neat frost]

Unlike America, it actually gets HOT here. I don’t want a hot drink

[deep mango]

There are a lot of julia sets

some are like

basically dimension 1 or whatever

[deep mango]

but they're not the boundary of something else nice

julia sets are made by a similar slightly shifted iteration scheme to the mandelbrot set

[errant ridge]

hm i see

[deep mango]

i don't remember it

[deep mango]

ICED coffee is delicious

[errant ridge]

I guess i can just do $\partial M$ where M is the mandelbrot set

[fathom swallow]

Neamesis (Neamesis for honorabl)

[errant ridge]

can i?

[deep mango]

sure

[errant ridge]

niceee

[ancient flame]

dunkin frozen coffee is good af

[deep mango]

you are welcome to do as you please

[errant ridge]

can you integrate over that?

[deep mango]

dunkin donuts coffee is dirty sock water

[ancient flame]

:/

[deep mango]

probably not, i doubt it's rectifiable. idk

[errant ridge]

yk the contour integral

[ancient flame]

but the frozen coffee is good

sweet

[fading tusk]

what is iced coffee sir moderator

[errant ridge]

rectifiable?

[neat frost]

No

[deep mango]

what is iced coffee?

[ancient flame]

modinator

[fading tusk]

yes

[ancient flame]

coffee with ice

[deep mango]

it's coffee with ice in it to make it cold

[ancient flame]

bozo

[cinder zephyr]

Yea I'm a university student.

[fading tusk]

oh ok

[deep mango]

yeah, that's the condition for being able to do contour integrals on a curve

[fading tusk]

there is the method of doing pour over coffee onto ice

[neat frost]

When I got iced coffee they like filled it with cream and put a shot of espresso or whatever and it was bland af

[fading tusk]

I think they call it japanese iced coffee

[neat frost]

Made me nauseous

[fading tusk]

and they lie and say it's better

[cinder zephyr]

This is my preferred way of doing iced coffee

[errant ridge]

oh so you can only do contour integrals on a curve of finite length?

[cinder zephyr]

It's so much better what

[neat frost]

I want CAFFEINE

[cinder zephyr]

I love it

[neat frost]

I want SUGAR

[cinder zephyr]

Cold brew is also good

[deep mango]

you are tasteless

oh my god do you put sugar in your coffee

disgusting

[neat frost]

No it was literally gross

Basically milk

[neat frost]

No?

[deep mango]

yeah good

[cinder zephyr]

Milk >> cream

[fading tusk]

I can make the best coffee but I do instant coffee instead

[deep mango]

milk is delicious

[neat frost]

That was my argument for energy drinks ofc ryc

[fading tusk]

because I don't deserve the good one

[neat frost]

Ew no

Coffee I take black

[errant ridge]

imagine drinking coffee

[cinder zephyr]

???

[deep mango]

i want a fucking latte

[cinder zephyr]

My internship has a full coffee bar

I've had so many macciatos

It's so bad but I love them

[ancient flame]

I love machetes

[neat frost]

Same

Slice slice slice

[deep mango]

jealous

[neat frost]

They’re fun to swallow

[deep mango]

we might be getting an espresso machine in the math department lounge this year

hopefully

[neat frost]

Lol

[ancient flame]

rips your guts as it goes down

[neat frost]

I bet the engineering department has a coffee machine already ryc

[deep mango]

yes, i imagine so

it's utter bullshit that we didn't have this stuff

[neat frost]

Don’t you feel under appreciated?

Maybe it’s because you DONT DO SHIT

You lazy mathematician

[deep mango]

yes, that's why i joined people in complaining about the lack of a well equipped student faculty lounge last may

[fading tusk]

every math department I have been in has had an espresso machine worth more than a year of phd funding

[deep mango]

and now it is happening

[neat frost]

You don’t deserve it ryc

You’re a drag on the uni

[fading tusk]

the big ones with a bunch of hoses and steel levers

[neat frost]

They should divert that money to the CS dept

[deep mango]

that's the IDEA

[fading tusk]

look like an engine block almost

[deep mango]

why would i give them more than they give me?

[neat frost]

Because

[deep mango]

i'm trying to EARN here

[neat frost]

No ryc

You’re too materialistic

[cinder zephyr]

TFW the student doesn't want to be exploited by the university

[neat frost]

Why would someone pay you?

[deep mango]

absolutely not. i am a modern man in a modern world

[neat frost]

For your SERVICES

But you DONT PROVIDE ANY

Because you’re a MATHEMATICIAN

[deep mango]

I'll provide them in a little trickle

[neat frost]

And thus a drag

[deep mango]

plink pink plink

[cinder zephyr]

Mathematics is a disservice

[neat frost]

Both monetarily and in every other way

[deep mango]

I promise there's more coming!

Hahahaha

[neat frost]

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