#book-recommendations | Mathematics | Page 231

mossy flume Mar 27, 2021, 10:10 PM

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all of these are meant to be the only lin alg class one takes here at UIUC

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none of them have any lin alg pre reqs

marble solar Mar 27, 2021, 10:10 PM

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further evidence 33A is just an exercise in row-reduction for 10 weeks

mossy flume Mar 27, 2021, 10:10 PM

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RREF by hand 🤢

hollow drum Mar 27, 2021, 10:11 PM

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RREF RACE

ripe granite Mar 27, 2021, 10:11 PM

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AlgeBro zoomEyes

mossy flume Mar 27, 2021, 10:11 PM

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rn I'm doing Matrix Limits and Markov Chains in lin alg

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which is wild shit I'm a little lost so I gotta grind today to understand

hollow drum Mar 27, 2021, 10:11 PM

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ripe granite AlgeBro <:zoomEyes:586895208273412107>

Bro

ripe granite Mar 27, 2021, 10:13 PM

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also, completely unrelated to the discussion

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Gelfand and Manin

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good book

hollow drum Mar 27, 2021, 10:21 PM

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Why do you like it?

sage python Mar 27, 2021, 10:23 PM

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Oh yeah I've heard that's the correct homological algebra book

ripe granite Mar 27, 2021, 10:24 PM

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the remarks sections towards the end of each chapter are pretty nice

ripe granite Mar 27, 2021, 10:24 PM

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sage python Oh yeah I've heard that's the correct homological algebra book

depends on what you're trying to learn

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like it isnt a weibel replacement

sage python Mar 27, 2021, 10:25 PM

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I thought it just took Weibel and replaced it with correct theorems

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jk

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I might reference that a bit for intersection homology, I've been missing so many classes but I think this week I might have a shot to recover. Symmetric spaces group isn't meeting, and no class on Friday. So I can prob just go hard on the other stuff and get caught up on everything aside from intersection homology.

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And then I know for a while in the middle intersection homology was going through some homological algebra, kinda to bridge the standard formalism with perverse sheaves

hollow drum Mar 27, 2021, 10:26 PM

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What the heck is intersection homology

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I know what homology is but maybe not well enough

ripe granite Mar 27, 2021, 10:26 PM

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ye you need some derived cat stuff

sage python Mar 27, 2021, 10:26 PM

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So ordinary homology works nicely on manifolds, not as much on singular spaces

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Intersection homology is a version that works nicely on singular spaces, pretty much you're excluding chains that intersect the singular locus "too much"

hollow drum Mar 27, 2021, 10:30 PM

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Hmmm I think I'm following what you're saying. Tbh I don't even know why people studied homology in the first place. I only know about it cause of TDA type stuff. It's all hype beast as far as I can tell BUT the theory does sound cool. Maybe if I knew of historical math problem that homology was developed for I would have a better appreciation. I know everyone fell in love with TDA

willow pecan Mar 27, 2021, 10:31 PM

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uhhhh

raw pawn Mar 28, 2021, 3:52 AM

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thank you.

tacit creek Mar 28, 2021, 4:06 AM

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why are there so many books named "a transition to advanced mathematics"

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theres one by Chartrand, Polimeni, and Zhang

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and theres one by Smith, Eggen, and St. Andre

willow pecan Mar 28, 2021, 4:07 AM

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Two books with the same title is relatively not that many

tacit creek Mar 28, 2021, 4:08 AM

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uhhh

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probs true

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anyways

willow pecan Mar 28, 2021, 4:08 AM

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There are probably a lot of books called like "Introduction to Real Analysis"

tacit creek Mar 28, 2021, 4:08 AM

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i assume theyre not the same books

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hmmm

willow pecan Mar 28, 2021, 4:08 AM

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Yeah of course

quick hornet Mar 28, 2021, 4:09 AM

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wait i didnt realise advanced mathematics required transitioning

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is this why im bad at it

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because im cis?

willow pecan Mar 28, 2021, 4:10 AM

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stare

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Rudin

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stare

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stare

gray gazelle Mar 28, 2021, 4:13 AM

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ripe granite Mar 28, 2021, 4:16 AM

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hartshorne

sage python Mar 28, 2021, 4:16 AM

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Lmao

ripe granite Mar 28, 2021, 4:16 AM

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hartshorne

willow pecan Mar 28, 2021, 4:16 AM

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uhhhh

sage python Mar 28, 2021, 4:17 AM

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Introduction to the study of Hartshorne

willow pecan Mar 28, 2021, 4:17 AM

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Hartshorne is a commutative algebra book

sage python Mar 28, 2021, 4:17 AM

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Angetenar some people will kill you for saying that

willow pecan Mar 28, 2021, 4:17 AM

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frigten

sage python Mar 28, 2021, 4:17 AM

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It is an algebraic geometry book lol. More commalg heavy than many

willow pecan Mar 28, 2021, 4:17 AM

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I don't do algebra

sage python Mar 28, 2021, 4:17 AM

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I used Rudin for analysis, people like Kolmogorov-Fomin but it's old and uses funny terminology

ripe granite Mar 28, 2021, 4:17 AM

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there isnt much commalg after chapter 2

sage python Mar 28, 2021, 4:18 AM

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"Intro to Mathematical Analysis" by Kriz and Pultr seems like it's the most comprehensive of the intro analysis books

gray gazelle Mar 28, 2021, 4:18 AM

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sage python I used Rudin for analysis, people like Kolmogorov-Fomin but it's old and uses fu...

was going to ask about fomin's here , so what do you mean by funny terms ?

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take a calculus book and prove all the theorems

sage python Mar 28, 2021, 4:18 AM

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Which one? Kriz?

ripe granite Mar 28, 2021, 4:18 AM

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chapter 2 is definitely the most commalg heavy part

sage python Mar 28, 2021, 4:18 AM

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Or K&F?

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Ah I didn't realize that. I just know the coverage seems great

willow pecan Mar 28, 2021, 4:19 AM

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I will not comment on Hartshorne in the future

sage python Mar 28, 2021, 4:19 AM

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And about old terminology, I forget what it was offhand

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But I think it doesn't have the usual definition of a "compact operator"

dense pewter Mar 28, 2021, 4:20 AM

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the most important think you have to know about hartshorne

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its that his name is pronounced "hearts + horn" and not "heart + shorne"

gray gazelle Mar 28, 2021, 4:20 AM

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thing

sage python Mar 28, 2021, 4:20 AM

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You can check it out then. It basically does like, bit of set theory -> topology -> functional analysis -> measure theory

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"Elements of The Theory of Functions and Functional Analysis"

willow pecan Mar 28, 2021, 4:21 AM

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What about

sage python Mar 28, 2021, 4:21 AM

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I felt it read fairly smoothly

willow pecan Mar 28, 2021, 4:21 AM

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Stein and Shakarchi

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No intro analysis

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Straight to Fourier analysis

sage python Mar 28, 2021, 4:21 AM

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That I don't think is what you'd be reading if you're thinking of Rudin lol

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Anything wrong with just Rudin straight up?

willow pecan Mar 28, 2021, 4:21 AM

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This is in a sense the most terse and fast

sage python Mar 28, 2021, 4:21 AM

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(Also I should say people like Pugh but I find it somewhat obnoxious)

willow pecan Mar 28, 2021, 4:21 AM

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Because you do not cover intro analysis at all

sage python Mar 28, 2021, 4:22 AM

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(In how it treats topology, it's fine after)

gray gazelle Mar 28, 2021, 4:22 AM

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gray gazelle was going to ask about fomin's here , so what do you mean by funny terms ?

(Sloth , any answer ?)

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are u telling me the measure theory chapter of pugh is in any way acceptable hmmm

sage python Mar 28, 2021, 4:22 AM

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Oh yeah I mean, the thing I remember offhand was that it defined a compact operator differently

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I don't know it lol

gray gazelle Mar 28, 2021, 4:22 AM

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o ic

sage python Mar 28, 2021, 4:22 AM

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I know multivariable calculus is prob better than the Rudin analog

gray gazelle Mar 28, 2021, 4:23 AM

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i'm working through it for my analysis class and i hate it

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lol

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i was reading Garling's Analysis textbook but it turns out ... uh not for me xD

willow pecan Mar 28, 2021, 4:23 AM

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Read Rudin's paper on the behavior of topological spaces made out of ultrafilters under the assumption of the continuum hypothesis

sage python Mar 28, 2021, 4:23 AM

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Idk Garling

gray gazelle Mar 28, 2021, 4:23 AM

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pugh ch6 has "proof is obvious from the picture" and non-rigorous definitions and what not opencry

sage python Mar 28, 2021, 4:23 AM

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Mirza K&F won't cover multivariable calculus stuff

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And idk if it does stuff like Arzela-Ascoli

ripe granite Mar 28, 2021, 4:24 AM

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for multivariable calc

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there's a book written by Shurman

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pretty good

gray gazelle Mar 28, 2021, 4:25 AM

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is zorich's book equally decent for intro ?

ripe granite Mar 28, 2021, 4:25 AM

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it's called "Calculus and Analysis in Euclidean Space"

sage python Mar 28, 2021, 4:25 AM

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Oh it does actually

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Yeah

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Chapter 2 does a decent bit of stuff you'd learn from an intro analysis class it seems

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Okay yeah so

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Here already you see an annoying piece of terminology

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K&F defines a "compact set" to be one whose closure is "compact" in the usual sense

willow pecan Mar 28, 2021, 4:27 AM

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uhhhh

sage python Mar 28, 2021, 4:27 AM

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And a "compactum" is a space which is "compact in itself", aka actually compact

gray gazelle Mar 28, 2021, 4:28 AM

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that's amusing

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(0,1) is compact.

sage python Mar 28, 2021, 4:28 AM

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But it's not a compactum

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I mean it doesn't cause problems but it's annoying. So that's the main thing to remember going into this book

gray gazelle Mar 28, 2021, 4:28 AM

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he should've used "post-compact"

willow pecan Mar 28, 2021, 4:28 AM

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Is there a term for compact non-compactum sets?

gray gazelle Mar 28, 2021, 4:28 AM

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precompact?

willow pecan Mar 28, 2021, 4:29 AM

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precompactum?

gray gazelle Mar 28, 2021, 4:29 AM

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oh, nvm

sage python Mar 28, 2021, 4:29 AM

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If you're fine with having to clash terminology and perhaps unlearn later ones then this is a good book. Probably pick up something like Spivak Calc on Manifolds after for the multivariable calculus

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@willow pecan compactn'um

willow pecan Mar 28, 2021, 4:29 AM

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compact'unt

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giggleCat

sage python Mar 28, 2021, 4:30 AM

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Sure thing fam

sudden kindle Mar 28, 2021, 5:05 AM

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Precompact

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Means closure is compact

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tooru

gray gazelle Mar 28, 2021, 5:12 AM

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precompact families of functions are important in complex analysis hmmm

brave kayak Mar 28, 2021, 3:47 PM

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Hi, I know there is some very recommended book which contains all of the math for physics undergrad studies, Arfker/Arfken or something like that? does anyone know what im talking about? 😅

karmic thorn Mar 28, 2021, 4:30 PM

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Arfken/Weber/Harris, I guess.

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Mathematical Methods for Physicists is the title iirc.

brave kayak Mar 28, 2021, 4:42 PM

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thank you! 😄

fast portal Mar 28, 2021, 4:52 PM

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Riley is the undergrad one

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Arfken and Weber is the Grad one

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@brave kayak

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Ask the physics server if you don't believe me :V

karmic thorn Mar 28, 2021, 4:54 PM

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catThink

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I just remember Arfken is a bit more comprehensive than Riley.

fast portal Mar 28, 2021, 4:54 PM

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Aye

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It is the grad one after all

karmic thorn Mar 28, 2021, 4:55 PM

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Nice.

blissful vine Mar 28, 2021, 5:37 PM

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anyone have some good book recommendations to learn pure math from....zero to decent I guess?

cobalt arch Mar 28, 2021, 5:49 PM

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Is there a series like the schaum's outlines but for pure math only and with less mistakes?

sudden kindle Mar 28, 2021, 5:51 PM

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Books to learn pure math

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Its kid of hard to give a recomendation if theres not a specific topic you wanna learn

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In the begining I geat you could learn some basic set theory and logic

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Proof writing

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Maybe look into the book
Journey into Mathematics: An Introduction to Proofs by Joseph Rotman.

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Also theres a few of these books listed in #books-old

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INTRODUCTORY BOOKS

A Programmer’s Introduction to Mathematics (Jeremy Kun)
Aimed at programmers
Explains e.g. linguistic conventions and jargon in a very accessible way; well suited to self-study

Mathematical Proofs: A Transition to Advanced Mathematics (4th Edition) (Chartrand, Polimeni, Zhang)
No prerequisites
https://www.amazon.com/Mathematical-Proofs-Transition-Advanced-Mathematics/dp/0134746759
Very clearly written, neither too slow nor too fast. Modern notation and low levels of handwaving. Contains worked examples and outlines of proofs, full solutions to many exercises. Later chapters serve as introduction to various topics.

The Art and Craft of Problem Solving (Paul Zeitz)
Assumes some basic calculus and comparable fundamentals. Anyone with an open mind should be able to profit from it.
The book is really well written, and focuses a lot on the process of solving a problem in addition to actual problem solving. It has a lot of problems after theory. It focuses on the basics of problem solving, and have chapters on problem solving strategies, cross-over tactics, combinatorics, number theory, geometry and some analysis and linear algebra.

How to Prove It (Daniel Velleman)
No prerequisites
A great introduction to proof oriented mathematics (higher/pure mathematics), for people who have never done that kind of thing before.

cobalt arch Mar 28, 2021, 5:58 PM

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I found a series of books by springer that is called problem books in mathematics but it seems to be more advanced than the schaum's outlines one.

karmic thorn Mar 28, 2021, 6:07 PM

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Are you still choosing books, Forsaken? catThink

gray gazelle Mar 28, 2021, 8:44 PM

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anything in old literature that speaks about math applied to gambling?

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I need to make a part of a math presentation with gambling as its theme dedicated to gambling in literature

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and tbh I have no idea where to look, I found some stuff about gambling but there is nothing mathematical about it

willow pecan Mar 28, 2021, 8:50 PM

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Look at probability

quick hornet Mar 28, 2021, 9:04 PM

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this is a very broad topic

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again probability is the place to look

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you could discuss stuff like expected value and ways to seemingly "beat the system" (and why they don't work) like the martingale betting strategy

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maybe mention how casinos try and make it as hard as possible for you to make mathematical estimates about the value of a given table

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through weird rules that skew the expected value, or unclear slot machine outcomes, or whatever

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and if you really want to take a deep dive into expected value as a value measurement, maybe try discussing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Petersburg_paradox

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though that may be a bit tangential to your "gambling in literature" theme

willow pecan Mar 28, 2021, 9:39 PM

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Persi Diaconis is pretty cool

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Slim have you met him?

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I organized a talk that he gave

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stare

sudden kindle Mar 28, 2021, 9:46 PM

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I went to one of his talks

willow pecan Mar 28, 2021, 9:46 PM

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uhhhh

sudden kindle Mar 28, 2021, 9:46 PM

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Also my advisor is friends with him ig

willow pecan Mar 28, 2021, 9:46 PM

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catThink

gray gazelle Mar 28, 2021, 10:01 PM

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I found Il fu mattia pascal

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by luigi pirandello

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(im italian)

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and also, to make up for the lack of maths in that book, Ill refer to il de ludo aleae by girolamo cardano

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which was the first ever book to be written about probability

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by a gambler and physician

willow pecan Mar 28, 2021, 10:03 PM

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Why are you playing tf2

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stare

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When you have a project to be doing

gray gazelle Mar 28, 2021, 10:10 PM

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ahem

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for mathematical reasons

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ok let's get it over with

sudden kindle Mar 29, 2021, 2:09 AM

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ahhhhhh

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i keep getting distracted

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YAMIN FOCUS

willow pecan Mar 29, 2021, 2:15 AM

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catThink

sudden kindle Mar 29, 2021, 2:23 AM

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oh wrong chat LMAO

willow pecan Mar 29, 2021, 2:25 AM

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stare

ripe granite Mar 29, 2021, 3:07 AM

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sudden kindle i keep getting distracted

https://youtu.be/S6r4YNKCF3c

pseudo forge Mar 29, 2021, 3:20 AM

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good books to learn algebraic topology?

gray gazelle Mar 29, 2021, 3:26 AM

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there are none

willow pecan Mar 29, 2021, 3:28 AM

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stare

pseudo forge Mar 29, 2021, 3:48 AM

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surprisedpikachu

gray gazelle Mar 29, 2021, 4:25 AM

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bad TTerra

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catstare

polar tulip Mar 29, 2021, 4:56 AM

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there is no good book but if you want to learn it read hatcher i guess

sage python Mar 29, 2021, 5:23 AM

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Should I make an AT book megathread?

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😛

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At some point maybe. For now I'll say this

fast portal Mar 29, 2021, 5:26 AM

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Yes.

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More megathreads are good.

sage python Mar 29, 2021, 5:27 AM

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@pseudo forge the basic flowchart is, Hatcher if you like pictures, Bredon if you like smooth manifolds, tom Dieck if you want a very algebraic/categorical/homotopic approach, May if you want a grand total of 3 exercises, Rotman if you want something a bit more chill that leans algebraic

storm sleet Mar 29, 2021, 6:17 AM

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sage python <@!685869529124962350> the basic flowchart is, Hatcher if you like pictures, Bre...

Does May really have no exercises?

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One of the grad students at my uni recommended it bc I'm more "categorically minded" according to him

sage python Mar 29, 2021, 6:19 AM

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Not no exercises but noticeably fewer than in the other books

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2-3 per chapter

calm crane Mar 29, 2021, 6:32 AM

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theres a tom dieck reading group rn in some AT server if you're interested

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finding it pretty slick so far

gray gazelle Mar 29, 2021, 6:34 AM

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I recall trying to read hatcher once. It was weird

calm crane Mar 29, 2021, 6:34 AM

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hatcher has too many damn pictures for me opencry

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im like yes i can draw the picture but i dont see how it works

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tom dieck is like lays all the groundwork for you and trusts you can draw the picture

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sometimes i find tom dieck is overly detailed but it rarely lacks detail

ripe granite Mar 29, 2021, 6:36 AM

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tom dieck has a scary amount of detail

calm crane Mar 29, 2021, 6:36 AM

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haha yea

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i usually end up like seeing the theorem and trying to intuit the proof out first

ripe granite Mar 29, 2021, 6:37 AM

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May is good, but probably not good if it is your first pass at algebraic "blah"

calm crane Mar 29, 2021, 6:38 AM

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ye may and tom dieck definitely assumes you know how somewhat to categories already

sage python Mar 29, 2021, 6:38 AM

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Officially May doesn't require much categorical stuff

ripe granite Mar 29, 2021, 6:38 AM

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this might sound weird, but manifolds + de rham --> AG (hartshorne) --> AT (May) might not be a bad arc

calm crane Mar 29, 2021, 6:38 AM

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officially it intros categories to you as well

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lowkey me rn except replace may with tom dieck opencry

sage python Mar 29, 2021, 6:39 AM

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I think with May you can kinda just "read harder" and it's probably fine?

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But I think there are fewer examples/exercises than would be good

calm crane Mar 29, 2021, 6:39 AM

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probably but youll end up with like

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ok so how do i exactly compute a colimit even

ripe granite Mar 29, 2021, 6:40 AM

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depends

sage python Mar 29, 2021, 6:40 AM

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@ripe granite so one of my undergrad profs is actually of the opinion that schemesy AG should come after a lot of stuff lol

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I took an undergrad AG class with him, and he's like yeah there's a certain amount of AG content that makes sense there

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You don't even need serious commalg

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Affine varieties, translating between the algebra and the geometry, projective varieties, Hilbert polynomial, degree, Bezout's theorem, 27 lines on a cubic surface

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Then he thinks you basically shouldn't touch AG for like a year lol

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You should do Hatcher, Guillemin-Pollack, and Bott-Tu

gray gazelle Mar 29, 2021, 6:42 AM

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~~schemsy~~ schemey

sage python Mar 29, 2021, 6:42 AM

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Then you either do Griffiths-Harris or AM->Hartshorne

ripe granite Mar 29, 2021, 6:42 AM

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I mostly agree

calm crane Mar 29, 2021, 6:42 AM

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sage python Then you either do Griffiths-Harris or AM->Hartshorne

sounds clearer than jumping into these directly tbh

ripe granite Mar 29, 2021, 6:42 AM

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the thing is AT doesnt have a lot of good books

calm crane Mar 29, 2021, 6:43 AM

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main issue i had with am was like i rarely knew "why" until a bunch of SE answers

ripe granite Mar 29, 2021, 6:43 AM

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so doing some AG will give you some experience with algebraic blah

sage python Mar 29, 2021, 6:43 AM

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I used to think that but I feel like...

ripe granite Mar 29, 2021, 6:43 AM

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and then you should be able to deal with shitty htpy theory texts

sage python Mar 29, 2021, 6:43 AM

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There's no universally good AT book but it's kinda, for every person there's a suitable option

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I think most people would be solid with either Rotman (easier) or Bredon (harder)

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And then it's like

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If you lean hard toward algebra already there's May and tom Dieck

ripe granite Mar 29, 2021, 6:44 AM

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again, whatever I say shouldnt be taken seriously

sage python Mar 29, 2021, 6:44 AM

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And if you like anime there's Hatcher

ripe granite Mar 29, 2021, 6:44 AM

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as I havent actually read an AT book properly

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yet

sage python Mar 29, 2021, 6:44 AM

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I should shill harder for Bredon than I do, in my mind it's the closest thing there is to "the correct AT book"

calm crane Mar 29, 2021, 6:45 AM

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i feel like prob better to start with rotman/bredon to get a rough sense of direction then may/tom dieck

ripe granite Mar 29, 2021, 6:45 AM

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a lot of AT books have some super dry stuff

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do AG

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learn some AT in an ad hoc manner

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and read papers

sage python Mar 29, 2021, 6:46 AM

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Lol AG is harder for me to get into somehow

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Like I know all the cool places where it's going

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But quasicoherent blah over Noetherian your mom is just like

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Smh

ripe granite Mar 29, 2021, 6:46 AM

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lmao

sage python Mar 29, 2021, 6:47 AM

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One day I'm gonna stop being a wuss and just learn it

ripe granite Mar 29, 2021, 6:47 AM

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you just need to stare at groth or deligne for long enough

sage python Mar 29, 2021, 6:47 AM

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But it is not that day

ripe granite Mar 29, 2021, 6:47 AM

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and you will be inspired

calm crane Mar 29, 2021, 6:47 AM

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time to set groth as my phone backgroumd

sage python Mar 29, 2021, 6:47 AM

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That pic of Groth holding Atiyah

ripe granite Mar 29, 2021, 6:51 AM

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but actually tho

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the amount of shit deligne did is insane

grave egret Mar 29, 2021, 3:39 PM

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Any good books on Fourier series with actual pepecough (lebesgue) integrals.

sudden kindle Mar 29, 2021, 3:49 PM

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In my analysis class we are using Folands Real Analysis and currently doing the chapter with Fourier analysis

grave egret Mar 29, 2021, 3:49 PM

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sudden kindle In my analysis class we are using Folands Real Analysis and currently doing the...

With actual integrals right?

sudden kindle Mar 29, 2021, 3:50 PM

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Idk what that means

grave egret Mar 29, 2021, 3:50 PM

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Lebesgue.

sudden kindle Mar 29, 2021, 3:50 PM

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What about lebesgue integrals

grave egret Mar 29, 2021, 3:51 PM

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Nvm, I'll check.

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Any pdf version?

sudden kindle Mar 29, 2021, 3:55 PM

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Library genesis

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frogS

grave egret Mar 29, 2021, 3:56 PM

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That's illegal lol.

flint forge Mar 29, 2021, 3:56 PM

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not if u buy the book

steel viper Mar 29, 2021, 4:16 PM

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calm crane i feel like prob better to start with rotman/bredon to get a rough sense of dire...

start with hatcher to build Intuition :smug:

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then take the dieck or maypill

calm crane Mar 29, 2021, 4:17 PM

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hatcher intuition heh

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i tried

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and couldnt

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id say rotman was the first book to click to me

steel viper Mar 29, 2021, 4:17 PM

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hatcher exists to make u learn how to draw pretty pictures

calm crane Mar 29, 2021, 4:17 PM

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HAHAHAHA

steel viper Mar 29, 2021, 4:18 PM

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AT is so sad for me cause i like it but im also not very good at it

calm crane Mar 29, 2021, 4:20 PM

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meanwhile me with the tom dieck pill

steel viper Mar 29, 2021, 4:20 PM

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lol

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yeah

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are u doing the mapping cylinder stuff

calm crane Mar 29, 2021, 4:20 PM

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typing out some notes cuz ch 5 and 6 uses a lot of ch 4 and i dont rlly have too much intuition for the behavior of ch 4 stuff yet

steel viper Mar 29, 2021, 4:21 PM

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mhm

calm crane Mar 29, 2021, 4:21 PM

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trying to show some sort of functoriality for the double mapping cylinder he seems to skip over it lol

steel viper Mar 29, 2021, 4:21 PM

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i did ch3 of tom dieck by skimming it once and then reading it again and proving every proposition myself smugsmug

calm crane Mar 29, 2021, 4:21 PM

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ch3 is more like once you understand the big outline everything seems so nice

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quite slick tbh

steel viper Mar 29, 2021, 4:22 PM

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it very much is

calm crane Mar 29, 2021, 4:22 PM

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just poke around with categories oops done

steel viper Mar 29, 2021, 4:22 PM

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the fiber sequence sneak peak is nice too

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puppepilled

calm crane Mar 29, 2021, 4:22 PM

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haha

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he fully develops it in ch4

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then only uses it in ch6

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ch4 is like mathematical preliminaries lol

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first half of ch4 appears in ch5 and second half in ch6

steel viper Mar 29, 2021, 4:23 PM

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im going to read thru ch4 when i get home

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rn i am doing AM

calm crane Mar 29, 2021, 4:23 PM

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kool

steel viper Mar 29, 2021, 4:23 PM

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also doing the "dont read any of the proofs do it all yourself" thing

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tbh its much more fun this way

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def longer tho

calm crane Mar 29, 2021, 4:23 PM

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yea im skipping over a lot of proofs

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the proofs are kinda too detailed lololol

steel viper Mar 29, 2021, 4:24 PM

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:egg_hank:

calm crane Mar 29, 2021, 4:24 PM

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opencry

azure stirrup Mar 29, 2021, 4:24 PM

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opencry

steel viper Mar 29, 2021, 4:24 PM

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proving the nullstellensatz :sadge:

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going to be so cringe

calm crane Mar 29, 2021, 4:25 PM

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it's ok you arent the only crackpot here

steel viper Mar 29, 2021, 4:25 PM

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thank u for blocking it out 🙏

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i still think the last few exercises of ch 1 are literally deranged

calm crane Mar 29, 2021, 4:26 PM

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HAHAHAHA

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ch1 is quite hard yea

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gets easier from then

steel viper Mar 29, 2021, 4:26 PM

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for sure

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its fun though

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chmonkey can cope and seethe all he wants but developing spec from the ground up on ur own is so good

dapper root Mar 29, 2021, 4:26 PM

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what do you mean

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I had to do a lot of that

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also yeah, chapter 1 is garbage

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I never got past it because the exercises are mad

steel viper Mar 29, 2021, 4:27 PM

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ik u did it but u said its bad

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its Fun

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the nullstellensatz exercise is evil though.

calm crane Mar 29, 2021, 4:33 PM

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eww the big diagram doesnt want to center itself in latex

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am disgusted

gray gazelle Mar 29, 2021, 4:33 PM

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\centering

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smugsmug

calm crane Mar 29, 2021, 4:33 PM

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still doesnt work

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it's like

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somehow more rightwards than centered

fast portal Mar 29, 2021, 4:38 PM

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le hspace has arrived

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Actually does negative hspace work for a whole figure

calm crane Mar 29, 2021, 4:43 PM

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:o

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lemme try

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i forgot about that HAHAHAA

fast portal Mar 29, 2021, 4:43 PM

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Aria moment.

calm crane Mar 29, 2021, 4:43 PM

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it works

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hypeee

fast portal Mar 29, 2021, 4:43 PM

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Nice

calm crane Mar 29, 2021, 4:44 PM

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huh seems like i jus need \hspace{bigbig} and it fixes the problem

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wtf

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i dont understand but i shall not quesion

fast portal Mar 29, 2021, 4:44 PM

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Until you add another thing and it breaks

calm crane Mar 29, 2021, 4:45 PM

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HAHAHAA

modern night Mar 29, 2021, 4:52 PM

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Any recommended books for those in highschool?

fast portal Mar 29, 2021, 4:52 PM

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Pre Uni the best source is Khan Academy

modern night Mar 29, 2021, 4:53 PM

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College works too since I'm just getting a list for a channel topic lol

fast portal Mar 29, 2021, 4:53 PM

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But if you are really really insistent on getting a book then there is lang's basic math

modern night Mar 29, 2021, 4:53 PM

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This one? https://www.docdroid.net/K1VENuF/basic-mathematics-serge-lang-pdf

fast portal Mar 29, 2021, 4:53 PM

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yes

modern night Mar 29, 2021, 4:53 PM

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Awesome

fast portal Mar 29, 2021, 4:54 PM

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#books-old also has a bunch of stuff if you didn't see it

modern night Mar 29, 2021, 4:54 PM

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Oh! I missed that. Thank you!

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Whoa, a bunch of stuff indeed.

sudden granite Mar 29, 2021, 8:11 PM

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books section needs to be updated with intro high school books

sudden kindle Mar 29, 2021, 8:14 PM

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Considering 75% of this server is highschoolers, that's probably a good idea

sudden granite Mar 29, 2021, 8:15 PM

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i put in a request ages ago for langs basic maths to be added into #books-old

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but i dont think the google form is being monitored any more

gray gazelle Mar 29, 2021, 8:18 PM

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sudden kindle Considering 75% of this server is highschoolers, that's probably a good idea

Means I'm a part of the remaining 25% since I'm a middle schooler

quick hornet Mar 29, 2021, 8:18 PM

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fascinating

sudden kindle Mar 29, 2021, 8:18 PM

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Middle school = highschool = elementary school

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It's all the same

gray gazelle Mar 29, 2021, 8:18 PM

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Wut

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XD

gray gazelle Mar 29, 2021, 8:19 PM

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quick hornet fascinating

what do you mean by "fascinating"?

sudden kindle Mar 29, 2021, 8:19 PM

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Sarcasm

gray gazelle Mar 29, 2021, 8:19 PM

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Oke

quick hornet Mar 29, 2021, 8:20 PM

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how dare you insinuate such a thing

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i would never be sarcastic in this server

gray gazelle Mar 29, 2021, 8:20 PM

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So what you meant then?

sudden kindle Mar 29, 2021, 8:21 PM

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Thats also sarcasm 😂

gray gazelle Mar 29, 2021, 8:21 PM

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Oof.

sudden kindle Mar 29, 2021, 8:21 PM

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Double sarcasm

gray gazelle Mar 29, 2021, 8:21 PM

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I'm sarcasm.

warm glen Mar 29, 2021, 9:16 PM

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ima add to the AT book pile and mention croom's "basic concepts of algebraic topology"

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it's even easier than rotman

gray gazelle Mar 29, 2021, 9:22 PM

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coom

reef oar Mar 29, 2021, 10:11 PM

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Anyone know of any decently understandable books on category theory?

flint forge Mar 29, 2021, 10:15 PM

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Riehl

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Her book is fantastic

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one of the few texts I consider the book to read, honestly

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Riehl is particularly good at writing about subjects that have had conventional shifts so that everything in her texts is more or less up to date with current nomenclature

reef oar Mar 29, 2021, 10:17 PM

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I'll check it out, thanks!

pale scarab Mar 29, 2021, 10:28 PM

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reef oar Anyone know of any decently understandable books on category theory?

I found some easy to follow notes by paolo perrone that were posted last year.

reef oar Mar 29, 2021, 10:28 PM

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Ooo

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I'll give those a look as well.

slow roost Mar 30, 2021, 12:21 AM

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yeah, Riehl's great

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for a very, very elementary and gentle one, I always recommend Lawvere, Conceptual Mathematics

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avoid Categories for the Working Mathematician like the plague unless you happen to be a working mathematician

warm glen Mar 30, 2021, 12:40 AM

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how about leinster?

gray gazelle Mar 30, 2021, 1:04 AM

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slow roost avoid Categories for the Working Mathematician like the plague unless you happen...

Oh, why is it bad? (Too advanced?)

slow roost Mar 30, 2021, 1:04 AM

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I like Leinster

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MacLane goes into some very nitty gritty details about set theory and foundations and stuff, and is just kind of hard imo

flint forge Mar 30, 2021, 1:49 AM

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its also outdated in some senses

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esp terminology

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i think he likes, distinguishes between metacategories and similar issues

dapper root Mar 30, 2021, 3:12 AM

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I have referred to Maclane for certain results

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All of which, so far, were given as “look at pages... of Maclane for a reference” and so I did

flint forge Mar 30, 2021, 3:23 AM

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yeah i mean it was probably the best reference text for a long time

proven mountain Mar 30, 2021, 9:39 AM

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What textbook would you recommend to study probab. and stat.?

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There are so many I am literally screaming

prisma snow Mar 30, 2021, 10:02 AM

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All of them hmmm

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If you master them all, you will be a stats genius

karmic thorn Mar 30, 2021, 10:41 AM

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Bourbaki

fast portal Mar 30, 2021, 10:58 AM

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There is Munkres

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Requires no intro except some mathematical maturity

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Runde, V. - A Taste of Topology?

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It develops all elementary concepts and proves all standard theorems in just ~165p.

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Nice, have fun

prisma snow Mar 30, 2021, 11:15 AM

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Janich is like 200 pages, but haven't read it completely yet @gray gazelle

limber mesa Mar 30, 2021, 11:41 AM

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Can someone suggest an intermediate-level textbook on set theory for me? I have a fair amount of background in first-order logic and basic model theory, and am currently an undergraduate student in mathematics (and so also have some familiarity with naive set theory).

prisma snow Mar 30, 2021, 12:04 PM

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Enderton is p easy

limber mesa Mar 30, 2021, 12:16 PM

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I'm looking for something preferably not too basic, because I'll probably find it too slow.

icy frost Mar 30, 2021, 1:30 PM

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Hello! Anyone that has a book/PDF on basic representation theory to recommend for a high schooler? I feel fairly comfortable with basic algebra and basic linear algebra, however, the PDF's that I have found online are a little too complicated for me. My teacher has recently started to talk about representation theory but I want to dive deeper into this.

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Actually, I think that I found a nice PDF: http://www.math.lsa.umich.edu/~kesmith/rep.pdf. From just scrolling around for a bit, I think that this PDF is well suited for dummies like me!

silver herald Mar 30, 2021, 1:52 PM

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icy frost Hello! Anyone that has a book/PDF on basic representation theory to recommend fo...

High Schooler

Representation Theory

One of these things is unlike the other.

Anyways - by Algebra do you mean "Jacobson/Artin Algebra" or Elementary Algebra where you solve quadratic equations and the like?

I hail from a similar background on self-taught Lin.Alg. and going over abstract algebra (it's the former) and using this book for Representation Theory -

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/730480887803674688/801462998509420574/IMG_20210120_094741.jpg

Been working out great so far

karmic thorn Mar 30, 2021, 1:53 PM

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gtm_heart

static crest Mar 30, 2021, 1:53 PM

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gtm_heart

gray gazelle Mar 30, 2021, 2:07 PM

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gtm_heart

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Springer sugoi

hasty turret Mar 30, 2021, 2:10 PM

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gtm_heart

icy frost Mar 30, 2021, 2:15 PM

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Oh, my teacher actually gave me similar text on abstract algebra! It is quite complicated for me tho...

static crest Mar 30, 2021, 2:16 PM

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well it's a very common format

hollow current Mar 30, 2021, 2:16 PM

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gtm_heart

static crest Mar 30, 2021, 2:16 PM

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all the "Graduate Texts in Mathematics" books look the exact same

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apart from the name of the book

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they are also very complicated, and I would recommend you to stay away from them considering you're a high schooler

icy frost Mar 30, 2021, 2:18 PM

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Yeah... I have read parts of it, however, the tempo is a little bit too fast for me. I feel like I don't really get the intuition

hasty turret Mar 30, 2021, 2:18 PM

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Yea,You should probably do The ugtm series first

static crest Mar 30, 2021, 2:18 PM

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you should probably put representation theory on the shelf for now

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try becoming much more familiar with abstract algebra

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the one in the undergraduate texts in mathematics series

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I think it's by lang

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there's also a million other great abstract algebra textbooks

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~~such as d&f~~

icy frost Mar 30, 2021, 2:20 PM

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Well I have actually written my final project on abstract algebra. I have gone over groups, rings, fields and bits of Galois theory. I do not know if this is enough to learn representation theory tho

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I don't want to learn everything, I just want to learn the basics

static crest Mar 30, 2021, 2:21 PM

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you should probably also be familiar with modules

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in abstract algebra

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also probably need some working category theory knowledge

flint forge Mar 30, 2021, 2:22 PM

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Wait

static crest Mar 30, 2021, 2:22 PM

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no?

flint forge Mar 30, 2021, 2:22 PM

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for rep theory?

static crest Mar 30, 2021, 2:22 PM

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trust max

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more than myself

flint forge Mar 30, 2021, 2:22 PM

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All you need for basic rep theory is a decent linalg background and group theory

static crest Mar 30, 2021, 2:22 PM

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catThink

flint forge Mar 30, 2021, 2:22 PM

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its complicated and interesting but the prereqs arent a big deal

icy frost Mar 30, 2021, 2:22 PM

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Well category is something that I am not that familiar with and I kind of get the "intuition" behind modules. I think that they want to generalise vector spaces over fields, right?

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So the inverse requirement gets dropped with modules, right?

flint forge Mar 30, 2021, 2:23 PM

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Modules are just vector spaces over rings

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Axiomatically they don't look very different

icy frost Mar 30, 2021, 2:24 PM

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Oh okay!

flint forge Mar 30, 2021, 2:24 PM

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But the underlying additional axioms on fields

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cause Vector Spaces to be much nicer

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than Modules

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in general

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But yeah for rep theory at the level of, for example, Fulton Harris

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you really don't need anything other than linear algebra and finite group theory

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maybe some experience w complex numbers and complex inner products is useful

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it goes off the rails pretty quickly because it turns out the next most general class of groups other than finite for which rep theory is very useful

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is (compact) Lie Groups

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so it ends up getting more advanced

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but you can get all the big ideas just using finite groups

icy frost Mar 30, 2021, 2:27 PM

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Okay, I will give it a try then! And like I said, I do not really want to learn EVERYTHING in rep. theory, just the basics.

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Then, if I have time, I could start to dig in to Lie groups

flint forge Mar 30, 2021, 2:27 PM

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Fulton Harris is the book I learned out of

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I think its pretty good

icy frost Mar 30, 2021, 2:27 PM

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https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007%2F978-1-4612-0979-9

Representation Theory | SpringerLink

The primary goal of these lectures is to introduce a beginner to the finite dimensional representations of Lie groups and Lie algebras. Since this goal is shared by quite a few other books, we should

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so this one?

flint forge Mar 30, 2021, 2:28 PM

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yeah

icy frost Mar 30, 2021, 2:28 PM

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Okay, thank you so much! I will check it out!

flint forge Mar 30, 2021, 2:28 PM

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np

limber mesa Mar 30, 2021, 2:51 PM

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limber mesa Can someone suggest an intermediate-level textbook on set theory for me? I have ...

(Replying so it doesn't get buried)

hollow current Mar 30, 2021, 2:53 PM

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Enderton's elements of set theory may be

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or Jech's intro to set theory

flint forge Mar 30, 2021, 2:56 PM

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Shot in the dark, are there any good books or lectures or videos about programming in abstract algebra?

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Like, there are apparently algorithms to compute a lot of hard algebraic data

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but I have trouble wrapping my mind around combining abstract algebra and programming in, say, python

willow pecan Mar 30, 2021, 2:58 PM

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Ideals, Varities, and Algorithms by Cox, Little, and O'Shea does some computational algebraic geometry

stray veldt Mar 30, 2021, 3:00 PM

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there also is A Course in Computational Algebraic Number Theory by Cohen but it's more towards number theory (and no specific language)

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and the standard for computer stuff is Modern Computer Algebra by von zur Gathen

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(although probably too 'basic' for your needs)

fast portal Mar 30, 2021, 3:14 PM

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Where do I learn cat theory in context of programming

willow pecan Mar 30, 2021, 3:16 PM

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Applied category theory twitter

fast portal Mar 30, 2021, 3:16 PM

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Pls serious replies only

karmic thorn Mar 30, 2021, 3:16 PM

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@ mniip

willow pecan Mar 30, 2021, 3:17 PM

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@ mnoop

fast portal Mar 30, 2021, 3:17 PM

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@ mnoopers

prisma snow Mar 30, 2021, 3:37 PM

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@ mnoopy

hollow current Mar 30, 2021, 3:39 PM

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@ mnoopie

pure iris Mar 30, 2021, 3:39 PM

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if no one wants to do it, ill do it

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@molten wave

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xd

violet grail Mar 30, 2021, 3:52 PM

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a mad lad

molten wave Mar 30, 2021, 3:55 PM

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catKing

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@fast portal maybe https://bartoszmilewski.com/2014/10/28/category-theory-for-programmers-the-preface/

Bartosz Milewski's Programming Cafe

Bartosz Milewski

Category Theory for Programmers: The Preface

Table of Contents Part One Category: The Essence of Composition Types and Functions Categories Great and Small Kleisli Categories Products and Coproducts Simple Algebraic Data Types Functors Functo…

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however if you're not already familiar with cat theory I'm not sure this is a good idea

fast portal Mar 30, 2021, 3:58 PM

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Fine fine, baby's first intro to cat theory?

silver herald Mar 30, 2021, 4:00 PM

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fast portal Where do I learn cat theory in context of programming

It exists -

Good course - https://applied-compositional-thinking.engineering/

Applied Compositional Thinking for Engineers

admin

Season 2

fast portal Mar 30, 2021, 4:01 PM

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Motherfuck

flint forge Mar 30, 2021, 4:05 PM

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fast portal Fine fine, baby's first intro to cat theory?

riehl

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but learning category theory from riehl might be tricky if you arent somewhat literate in a lot of early undergrad level math

fast portal Mar 30, 2021, 4:06 PM

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You are telling me there is a way to learn it without prerequisites? 👀

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🤔

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And soft prerequisites?

flint forge Mar 30, 2021, 4:08 PM

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category theory is a language that brings together a lot of mathematical ideas and is therefore usually taught that way

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but in theory you can learn it in a vacuum

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~~you shouldnt~~

fast portal Mar 30, 2021, 4:09 PM

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Wait so was Cat Theory an attempt at Theory of Everything™️ but for math?

flint forge Mar 30, 2021, 4:09 PM

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i think a lot of constructions will seem somewhat random if you have no examples to draw from

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like imagine learning about model categories without knowing any topology

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it would just seem erratic lol

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i think the standard reason is like

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say you want to become a “well-rounded” mathematician in some sense

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i think category theory first does little for you

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but category theory after learning other stuff

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can paint a very important picture

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yeah that is my point hahaha

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like

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its hard to have any intuition about categories

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if you dont have a diverse background of examples

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like i would find adjoints mystifying (and did when i first read about them) without a bunch if examples i could prove by hand

fast portal Mar 30, 2021, 4:13 PM

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Suddenly all of those memes about Cat theorists declaring everything in terms of categories makes sense.

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uh I guess thinking methodically falls under structural thinking

flint forge Mar 30, 2021, 4:16 PM

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personally i think its kind of silly to entrench oneself in one point of view

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i think all the best mathematicians are very good at switching between them depending on what they want to do

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(similar to model categories vs infinity categories stuff)

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maybe my point is more one should make an concerted effort to train the other hand

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yeah for sure

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i do think theres some truth to it

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ive seen people who like, just dont want to think about a question if it cant be solved one way or the other

silver herald Mar 30, 2021, 4:18 PM

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fast portal You are telling me there is a way to learn it without prerequisites? 👀

In my experience - an intro to this kinda course doesn't expect from you much if you know some basic Lin.Alg. and proofs (Though knowing some Algebra and/or Topology is a plus)

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The applied one I learnt was based on understanding of robotics, control theory and optimization

quick hornet Mar 30, 2021, 4:22 PM

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wait how does that work

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how do you apply category theory to robotics

sudden kindle Mar 30, 2021, 4:25 PM

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I saw someone applying lie theory to robotics

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Group actions to move robot arms and joints

quick hornet Mar 30, 2021, 4:27 PM

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that makes more sense to me

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than category theory

stray veldt Mar 30, 2021, 4:27 PM

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i think it's quite standard to use quaternions for rotation stuff

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~~i can apply robotics to category theory by making robots draw diagrams~~

quartz verge Mar 30, 2021, 4:33 PM

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anyone willing to share spivak

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sell*

prisma snow Mar 30, 2021, 4:40 PM

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Ye, I'll send you my pdf right now. Do PayPal first though.

quick hornet Mar 30, 2021, 4:41 PM

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joking about piracy probably not a good idea btw

quartz verge Mar 30, 2021, 4:41 PM

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no

quick hornet Mar 30, 2021, 4:41 PM

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mods dont mind but discord admins do

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they've deleted accounts for less

quartz verge Mar 30, 2021, 4:42 PM

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i need a physical book

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a book that i can hold, smell.

molten wave Mar 30, 2021, 4:42 PM

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Tfw learning about topological fibrations via type theoretical intuition for sum types

willow pecan Mar 30, 2021, 4:45 PM

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uhhhh

molten wave Mar 30, 2021, 4:45 PM

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I swear it makes sense

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Its all just the grothendieck construction

silver herald Mar 30, 2021, 5:13 PM

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quick hornet how do you apply category theory to robotics

It's helps in jumping across different domains ("a co-design approach to robotics ")

https://arxiv.org/abs/1512.08055

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/346143481_Co-Design_of_Autonomous_Systems_From_Hardware_Selection_to_Control_Synthesis

arXiv.org

A Mathematical Theory of Co-Design

One of the challenges of modern engineering, and robotics in particular, is
designing complex systems, composed of many subsystems, rigorously and with
optimality guarantees. This paper introduces...

silver herald Mar 30, 2021, 5:21 PM

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stray veldt i think it's quite standard to use quaternions for rotation stuff

Quaternions are probably the most common things to apply to computational dynamics (Especially in Autonomous Quadrotor control)

📎 0927.pdf

lost wyvern Mar 30, 2021, 5:21 PM

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silver herald It's helps in jumping across different domains ("a co-design approach to robotic...

"Co-Design".... Isn't that the dual of "Design" ?

silver herald Mar 30, 2021, 5:23 PM

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~~No.wonder engineers are known for such wondrous stuff like Tacoma Narrows Bridge incident~~

willow pecan Mar 30, 2021, 5:25 PM

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cocatthink

silver herald Mar 30, 2021, 5:31 PM

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stray veldt ~~i can apply robotics to category theory by making robots draw diagrams~~

That's actually a thing -

There has been some interests in robotics circles to simulate some results in reasoning found in neuroscience work via a robotic arm drawing/doodling/writing answers corresponding to a question

flint forge Mar 30, 2021, 5:33 PM

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what does that have to do with category theory

silver herald Mar 30, 2021, 5:34 PM

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Well, an extension of logical reasoning can actually work towards simulating results for robots to do proofs for us?

flint forge Mar 30, 2021, 5:34 PM

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probably not

hasty turret Mar 30, 2021, 5:42 PM

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hmmm

flint forge Mar 30, 2021, 5:43 PM

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thats so cursed lol

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mniip has lost the right to call others a crank smh

molten wave Mar 30, 2021, 5:46 PM

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What

willow pecan Mar 30, 2021, 5:49 PM

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giggleCat

flint forge Mar 30, 2021, 6:03 PM

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“using category theory to capture the essence of human thought” sully

molten wave Mar 30, 2021, 6:16 PM

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You didnt get it at all did you

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Its not "using", its what it "is"

flint forge Mar 30, 2021, 6:17 PM

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I agree that I did not get it at all, but "using" was your word.

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I would equally sully "Category theory is the essence of human thought"

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I might even sully it sullier

molten wave Mar 30, 2021, 6:17 PM

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Fair

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Facts tho

flint forge Mar 30, 2021, 6:19 PM

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i think that if you think category theory is at all capable of capturing the essence of human thought you have not seen enough human thought lol

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it can’t even capture the essence of all mathematics lol

willow pecan Mar 30, 2021, 6:20 PM

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mniip crank confirmed

hasty turret Mar 30, 2021, 6:20 PM

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Always has been

molten wave Mar 30, 2021, 6:22 PM

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You need to either read the full question, or you need to expand the notion of what thougt is

gray gazelle Mar 30, 2021, 6:23 PM

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ok i'll take the bait

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why do you think category theory is the essence of human thought

hasty turret Mar 30, 2021, 6:24 PM

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flint forge Mar 30, 2021, 6:27 PM

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so, so cursed

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lol

sudden kindle Mar 30, 2021, 6:28 PM

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"Generalized"

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Doesnt really mean much

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Any thing can be a generalization of anything if you try hard enough

flint forge Mar 30, 2021, 6:30 PM

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i think you'd really have to break your neck to view schemes as generalized triangle inequality lmfao

willow pecan Mar 30, 2021, 6:31 PM

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giggleCat

hasty turret Mar 30, 2021, 6:31 PM

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Speaking of that, Harthshorne wrote a book on classical geo

molten wave Mar 30, 2021, 6:32 PM

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That convo was like at least half shitpost

hasty turret Mar 30, 2021, 6:32 PM

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https://books.google.co.in/books/about/Geometry_Euclid_and_Beyond.html?id=C5fSBwAAQBAJ&source=kp_book_description&redir_esc=y

Google Books

Geometry: Euclid and Beyond

flint forge Mar 30, 2021, 6:33 PM

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molten wave That convo was like at least half shitpost

which half isn't sully

molten wave Mar 30, 2021, 6:34 PM

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Look do you never hit a blunt and have like a shower thought that makes sense on some spiritual level

willow pecan Mar 30, 2021, 6:35 PM

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stare

molten wave Mar 30, 2021, 6:38 PM

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Yall giving ephemeral conversation the scrutiny of peer review

flint forge Mar 30, 2021, 6:38 PM

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thats bc its very funny

molten wave Mar 30, 2021, 6:40 PM

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This hot take isnt even original

hasty turret Mar 30, 2021, 6:41 PM

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lol this shitpost is amazing https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/nPOV

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This was the og one,ig

flint forge Mar 30, 2021, 6:43 PM

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does that page claim that nPOV captures human thought

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i dont think Urs is that silly

molten wave Mar 30, 2021, 6:43 PM

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I swear it makes sense guys https://bartoszmilewski.com/2018/01/11/the-earth-is-flat/

Bartosz Milewski's Programming Cafe

Bartosz Milewski

The Earth is Flat

La filosofia è scritta in questo grandissimo libro che continuamente ci sta aperto innanzi a gli occhi (io dico l’universo), ma non si può intendere se prima non s’impara a intender la …

storm sleet Mar 30, 2021, 6:45 PM

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Bartosz is definitely a character

flint forge Mar 30, 2021, 6:45 PM

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bartosz is like

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the worst possible choice

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to defend you

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lol

willow pecan Mar 30, 2021, 6:45 PM

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giggleCat

storm sleet Mar 30, 2021, 6:45 PM

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What makes you say that lol

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Honestly at times I feel like Bartosz is the Wildberger of CS

molten wave Mar 30, 2021, 6:45 PM

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Ive spoken out against him myself bwfore

flint forge Mar 30, 2021, 6:46 PM

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Bartosz is generally seen as like

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good at what he does

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but a crank in his pontificating

willow pecan Mar 30, 2021, 6:46 PM

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giggleCat

storm sleet Mar 30, 2021, 6:46 PM

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His blog/videos are what got me into higher level math

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doesn't mean he's above criticism tho

flint forge Mar 30, 2021, 6:46 PM

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im sure this is true of a good number of people

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but he often says like

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ridiculous things

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about category theory

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and how it related to other things

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there was some discussion of this the other day

fast portal Mar 30, 2021, 6:47 PM

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Deja vu I feel like we have been here before

flint forge Mar 30, 2021, 6:47 PM

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about his claims about General Relativity

storm sleet Mar 30, 2021, 6:47 PM

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god that reminded me that I should've taken general relativity instead of multivariable advanced calc

sage python Mar 30, 2021, 6:48 PM

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Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh

flint forge Mar 30, 2021, 6:48 PM

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you should probably take the latter before the former lol

sage python Mar 30, 2021, 6:48 PM

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I just jumped in the channel lol

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And I see that and I'm like

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Nah

flint forge Mar 30, 2021, 6:48 PM

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sloth

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read the mniip screenshots

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thats the real discussion here

sage python Mar 30, 2021, 6:48 PM

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You do not wanna take general relativity before advanced multivariable calculus

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Hmm? Okay

storm sleet Mar 30, 2021, 6:48 PM

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our multivariable advanced calc is a toned down grad analysis course

flint forge Mar 30, 2021, 6:49 PM

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hasty turret

start here

willow pecan Mar 30, 2021, 6:49 PM

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uhhhh

flint forge Mar 30, 2021, 6:49 PM

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sorry drunk about ping

storm sleet Mar 30, 2021, 6:49 PM

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its just instead of abstract spaces we only look at rn

storm sleet Mar 30, 2021, 6:49 PM

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sage python You do not wanna take general relativity before advanced multivariable calculus

I already took our differential geometry course, and gen rel is after diff geo

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for undergrads at least

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both are senior level and require real analysis

sage python Mar 30, 2021, 6:50 PM

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Ah, when you say "advanced multi" that sounds like, practically borderline diffgeo

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Like calculus on manifolds

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Which you very much want for GR I'd feel

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But yeah I mean... analysis is cooler than diffgeo for me

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Anyway

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Screneshot

storm sleet Mar 30, 2021, 6:50 PM

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I'm more partial to algebra

flint forge Mar 30, 2021, 6:50 PM

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if you like algebra why are you taking any of these courses lol

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just take like alg top

storm sleet Mar 30, 2021, 6:51 PM

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for fun

willow pecan Mar 30, 2021, 6:51 PM

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uhhhh

sage python Mar 30, 2021, 6:51 PM

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Hmm, I think "capture the essence of human thought" is a lot stronger than what n-cat pov is capable of

storm sleet Mar 30, 2021, 6:51 PM

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Plus I'm in my first topology course rn, so getting into alg top isn't really an option

sage python Mar 30, 2021, 6:51 PM

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My impression is that it's just, let's look at everything it does give us insight into and look at it from that pov

flint forge Mar 30, 2021, 6:52 PM

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there is a lot of math that just like

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is not amenable

sage python Mar 30, 2021, 6:52 PM

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Human thought seems way too complex for that

flint forge Mar 30, 2021, 6:52 PM

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to the nPov

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let alone all of human thought

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lol

sage python Mar 30, 2021, 6:52 PM

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Yeah lol

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Knowing nothing about actual weed I can buy that this is a classical "hints blunt" moment

flint forge Mar 30, 2021, 6:53 PM

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honestly ive never experienced that kind of high

willow pecan Mar 30, 2021, 6:53 PM

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giggleCat

flint forge Mar 30, 2021, 6:53 PM

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i more or less am just like a slightly slower version of my normal thought patterns while high

sage python Mar 30, 2021, 6:54 PM

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Given that I hear you typically have a lot of crazy insight that's actually just nonsense once you get your cognitive capabilities back

flint forge Mar 30, 2021, 6:54 PM

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i think that is like

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mostly rumor or like

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first time you’ve ever hit a blunt

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stuff

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people who have used it a few times generally get over seeing it as this “deep” experience

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at least for THC

sage python Mar 30, 2021, 6:56 PM

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So reading the article on the nPOV

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It seems like they're not internally consistent about what it is lol

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Or how strongly they wanna push it

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Part of it is "We write from the pov that category theory/higher category theory is useful"

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And like alright why not lmao

flint forge Mar 30, 2021, 6:57 PM

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i think practically the nPOV boils down to

sage python Mar 30, 2021, 6:57 PM

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But occasionally bleeds and at least tries to explore the claim that "category theory is the right language to describe the world, or at least the world of mathematical ideas."

flint forge Mar 30, 2021, 6:57 PM

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we will write unapologetically assuming that the reader is fluent in higher category theory

sage python Mar 30, 2021, 6:57 PM

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Which is veeeeeeeeeeeery ballsy

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Yeah in practice

flint forge Mar 30, 2021, 6:57 PM

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and we will frame topics in this language even where this is not necessary

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my guess would be that that page was written by different people

sage python Mar 30, 2021, 6:58 PM

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I just mean the underlying philosophy

flint forge Mar 30, 2021, 6:58 PM

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and there is a cold war

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around changing it

sage python Mar 30, 2021, 6:58 PM

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Could be

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I sorta feel like I've got a vague idea of where these different levels of strength are coming from though

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Like right now Scholze hasn't worked his magic enough

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For anyone to be able to look a PDE person in the eye

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And with a straight face say "Higher category theory is relevant to you"

willow pecan Mar 30, 2021, 6:59 PM

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stare

sage python Mar 30, 2021, 6:59 PM

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But I think deep down some people wanna believe?

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(This article doesn't mention Scholze but if anyone's gonna do it it's prob him lol)

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With his rigid analytic whatever the fuck

flint forge Mar 30, 2021, 7:00 PM

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i mean its an incredibly useful POV without a doubt

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but the idea that all of human thought is amenable to it

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is pretty ridiculous

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i would not be shocked if it can say something about all of mathematics

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idk i think there are clear examples of things that category theory can’t do

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like as much as Freyd-Mitchell is a very powerful theorem

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it also is very clearly saying there are things category theory can’t see

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whether the collection of all things category theory can’t see is all “trivial” is a different question

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but I don’t believe it

sage python Mar 30, 2021, 7:03 PM

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Yeah I think human thought is overdone. Mniip cites Curry Howard and... I'm not gonna claim to actually know it but

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Okay so I'm gonna preface this by saying

flint forge Mar 30, 2021, 7:03 PM

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Well even Curry Howard is an incredibly restricted subset of human thought

sage python Mar 30, 2021, 7:03 PM

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My knowledge of logic anything

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Is next to 0

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Buuuuut

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Let me armchair a bit

flint forge Mar 30, 2021, 7:03 PM

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unless the claim is that either mathematics or programming is capable of expressing all of human thought

willow pecan Mar 30, 2021, 7:04 PM

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giggleCat

sage python Mar 30, 2021, 7:04 PM

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I feel like when you're doing a proof there's sorta the "syntax vs semantics" question

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Curry-Howard in my impression is a bit of a syntax-y thing

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While in a lot of cases where there's "content" it's in the semantics. You can get the x => y but not as much the "idea"

quick hornet Mar 30, 2021, 7:06 PM

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well

sage python Mar 30, 2021, 7:06 PM

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Maybe I'm being a Platonist here

quick hornet Mar 30, 2021, 7:06 PM

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the typical human brain is a turing machine

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max

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proof:

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alex turing was, quite literally, a turing machine

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and the typical human is dumber than turing

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hence less computational power

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but can still visualize tape

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so we have equality.

sage python Mar 30, 2021, 7:07 PM

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qed

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But yeah idk for those of you listening am I talking out of my ass here?

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I guess let's soften it to just saying, I don't think the theory of proofs can really subsume the proofs themselves. Kinda like how, okay real numbers are a set but analysis isn't a subset of set theory

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This is sorta why I don't at a glance buy Curry-Howard even really saying that ncat business can fully subsume math, corollary human thought

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Then again who knows Scholze seems to be a magician so...

static crest Mar 30, 2021, 7:10 PM

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I feel like this exact discussion was had sometime earlier in this server

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if a brain can be accepted as equivalent to a turing machine

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or something

flint forge Mar 30, 2021, 7:10 PM

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Curry-Howard isn’t directly related to nPOV

static crest Mar 30, 2021, 7:11 PM

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I think jesse brought up some paper that discussed some results if we assume the brain is a turing machine or something

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if my memory servers right

flint forge Mar 30, 2021, 7:11 PM

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im not sure this is the same at all

static crest Mar 30, 2021, 7:11 PM

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I mean I only just came here

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and saw what dami wrote

willow pecan Mar 30, 2021, 7:11 PM

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giggleCat

static crest Mar 30, 2021, 7:11 PM

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which is probably a meme

willow pecan Mar 30, 2021, 7:11 PM

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Scroll up a bit for mnoop crankery

sage python Mar 30, 2021, 7:24 PM

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So I'm gonna make some possibly ballsy assumptions here on what mniip was gunning for (up to a hits blunt moment)

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@molten wave I should ping you here, if my depiction of anything you say is inaccurate please do let me know

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But it seems like Curry-Howard basically says "proofs are programs"

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At least up to homotopy it says that

molten wave Mar 30, 2021, 7:26 PM

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nah it's a more vague and philosophical realization

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of the human approach to solving problems

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using separation of concerns

sage python Mar 30, 2021, 7:26 PM

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I see

flint forge Mar 30, 2021, 7:27 PM

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curry howard is a theorem

sage python Mar 30, 2021, 7:27 PM

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"it" isn't Curry Howard so much as

flint forge Mar 30, 2021, 7:27 PM

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i guess if you pair it with Church-Turing you get something pseudophilosophical

sage python Mar 30, 2021, 7:31 PM

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Sorry I was out

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But yeah when mniip was saying

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"Curry howard isn't a coincidence, it's how people think"

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That I think is the vague realization

molten wave Mar 30, 2021, 7:32 PM

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that's along the same lines of thought

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again the things I'm saying here are precisely vague

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profound bs tier

willow pecan Mar 30, 2021, 7:47 PM

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stare

dapper root Mar 30, 2021, 9:52 PM

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I heard from... a source that Bourbaki’s point set is the literal best point set still

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I wouldn’t normally make this recommendation to any living human but you use Lang so idk if you’re still alive at this point

willow pecan Mar 30, 2021, 10:00 PM

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Bourbaki has a very specific viewpoint

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Very formal and no intuition

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Uh ok

warm glen Mar 30, 2021, 10:03 PM

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that sounds scary

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im confident that id come up with bad intuition if i tried to do it on my own

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at least for basic courses like topology

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maybe after gaining a solid background w all the basic classes of a degree it'd be a good idea

steel viper Mar 30, 2021, 10:25 PM

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okay but do you actually want to learn all that point set hmmm

willow pecan Mar 30, 2021, 10:26 PM

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giggleCat

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Point set topology does in fact suck

steel viper Mar 30, 2021, 10:27 PM

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you dont need very much for that then

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the first chapter of bredons topology and geometry is enough

willow pecan Mar 30, 2021, 10:30 PM

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????

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Weird fascination with old white men

steel viper Mar 30, 2021, 10:31 PM

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i dont think theres any inherent value in reading books that are especially terse

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i mean bredon isnt long winded either but do u want to read bourbaki because you think the content and style would be good or because bourbaki is famous for being hard hmmm

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idk a lot of people (including me tbh) fall into the trap of "famously difficult but advanced = good" but in the end it just ends up eating a lot of time and often not really giving u very much

tranquil ocean Mar 30, 2021, 10:33 PM

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i enjoy terse styles too I think. It's just nice being able to (and being forced to) fill in details for proofs so that I understand them better

steel viper Mar 30, 2021, 10:34 PM

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theres nothing wrong with terseness

tranquil ocean Mar 30, 2021, 10:34 PM

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rather than just having my eyes glaze over proofs and pretending that I understand them

steel viper Mar 30, 2021, 10:34 PM

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i also think its better

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but like

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do u really want to read bourbaki talk about uniform structures or whatever hmmm

willow pecan Mar 30, 2021, 10:34 PM

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Terseness for the sake of being terse is not really good though

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Skipping over small details, fine

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Skipping over large details, not fine

ripe granite Mar 30, 2021, 10:34 PM

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terseness is fine, but giving no intuition is not

steel viper Mar 30, 2021, 10:35 PM

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d&f is way too far in the other direction

gray gazelle Mar 30, 2021, 10:35 PM

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You can shit on d&f all you want, it is still my treasure

willow pecan Mar 30, 2021, 10:35 PM

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I liked D&F because I have no algebra brain cells

ripe granite Mar 30, 2021, 10:35 PM

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d&f is really good

static crest Mar 30, 2021, 10:48 PM

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willow pecan I liked D&F because I have no algebra brain cells

lmfao, same

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I really love d&f because of how easy it is to grasp

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(except this section on injective/projective/flat modules)

gray gazelle Mar 30, 2021, 10:48 PM

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sadcat

static crest Mar 30, 2021, 10:48 PM

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but that's probably just me being too dumb

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I doubt d&f can make it any easier

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it's just a weird concept

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(for me at least)

ripe granite Mar 30, 2021, 10:49 PM

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static crest (except this section on injective/projective/flat modules)

you're at the point where things start to get super interesting

steel viper Mar 30, 2021, 10:50 PM

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i think dfs style is not super conducive to like

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sometimes when im reading something i want to have it set up so i can read the statement and then try to prove the thing on my own

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and then after i do that check back

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and its kind of hard to do that with df

rocky charm Mar 31, 2021, 12:46 AM

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im reading halmos' "logic as algebra" and goddamn it is sassy

willow pecan Mar 31, 2021, 12:47 AM

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Ok

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In what way?

rocky charm Mar 31, 2021, 12:48 AM

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it has a very like. dry sense of ironic humor

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(That the preceding sentence commits the error of using a thing as a name of that thing is just adding wanton insult to cruel injury)

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idk it has a lot more personality than most texts i've read

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i only picked it up because i have a student who needs help with it

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and i went for an algebraic interpretation anyway

marble grotto Mar 31, 2021, 1:59 AM

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hi, i remember seeing a large book of problems in analysis. by a russian i think? wondering if someone knew its name

broken meadow Mar 31, 2021, 2:00 AM

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demidovich ?

marble grotto Mar 31, 2021, 3:55 AM

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oh it was the one by john erdman, but thanks

broken meadow Mar 31, 2021, 4:51 AM

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oh ok

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np

round zenith Mar 31, 2021, 2:44 PM

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whats a good book that a 9th grader would understand? the topic doesnt matter

gray gazelle Mar 31, 2021, 2:44 PM

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a 9th grader could possibly understand hartshorne

hasty turret Mar 31, 2021, 2:48 PM

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https://books.google.co.in/books/about/Geometry_Euclid_and_Beyond.html?id=C5fSBwAAQBAJ&source=kp_book_description&redir_esc=y

Google Books

Geometry: Euclid and Beyond

round zenith Mar 31, 2021, 2:48 PM

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how is ur role honorable @gray gazelle

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thanks @hasty turret

hasty turret Mar 31, 2021, 2:49 PM

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That is unironically hs level

gray gazelle Mar 31, 2021, 2:49 PM

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round zenith how is ur role honorable <@456226577798135808>

@golden locust likes me

round zenith Mar 31, 2021, 2:49 PM

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oh

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well i didnt know the author and i am not native english speaker and thought it was some idiom or whatever, so i translated it and it came out "nothing"

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so im sorry D:

gray gazelle Mar 31, 2021, 2:54 PM

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(don't read hartshorne)

round zenith Mar 31, 2021, 2:54 PM

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yea that was the mistake

calm crane Mar 31, 2021, 3:39 PM

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hartshorne

hollow drum Mar 31, 2021, 4:52 PM

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Wait then what do you read for alg geo

hasty turret Mar 31, 2021, 4:53 PM

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Hartshorne

willow pecan Mar 31, 2021, 4:53 PM

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Hartshorne

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stare

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@flint forge you asked about books that presented a computational perspective for algebra a few days ago

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Bernd Sturmfels has a book on his website titled "Invitation to Nonlinear Algebra" which focuses on computational alg geo

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He also has some survey articles

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"3264 Conics in a Second" comes to mind

hollow drum Mar 31, 2021, 5:05 PM

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willow pecan Bernd Sturmfels has a book on his website titled "Invitation to Nonlinear Algebr...

👀👀👀👀

willow pecan Mar 31, 2021, 5:05 PM

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What

hollow drum Mar 31, 2021, 5:07 PM

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I'm just budding in cause that sounds cool. I had been looking at that ideals varieties and algorithms book but that sounds like it's in a similar vain

willow pecan Mar 31, 2021, 5:10 PM

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Sturmfels' book is probably written at a higher level

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He taught a course based on it a few semesters ago and it seemed to be very fast paced and sort of a disaster

hollow drum Mar 31, 2021, 5:12 PM

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I wonder if I can find those lectures

willow pecan Mar 31, 2021, 5:13 PM

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You can certainly see the lecture notes on his website

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Some video recordings as well

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From an earlier iteration

steel viper Mar 31, 2021, 6:58 PM

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hollow drum Wait then what do you read for alg geo

stacks pepega

hearty steppe Mar 31, 2021, 7:02 PM

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gray gazelle a 9th grader could possibly understand hartshorne

Your a mad man lol

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Would have to be a 9th grader that’s pretty damn good at math

gray gazelle Mar 31, 2021, 7:05 PM

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#rules.

static crest Mar 31, 2021, 7:07 PM

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#rules

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any mods?

gray gazelle Mar 31, 2021, 7:07 PM

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@broken meadow

broken meadow Mar 31, 2021, 7:07 PM

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yikes

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that's a ban

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fiuck

gray gazelle Mar 31, 2021, 7:07 PM

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opencry

broken meadow Mar 31, 2021, 7:07 PM

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got sniped

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right as i was doing it

gray gazelle Mar 31, 2021, 7:07 PM

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who sniped

broken meadow Mar 31, 2021, 7:07 PM

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idk

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idc

willow pecan Mar 31, 2021, 7:07 PM

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ange_shock

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Metal did not get a kill

gray gazelle Mar 31, 2021, 7:08 PM

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i want to see you get your first blood

broken meadow Mar 31, 2021, 7:08 PM

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i already banned 3 ppl before

static crest Mar 31, 2021, 7:08 PM

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nice

willow pecan Mar 31, 2021, 7:08 PM

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Oh

broken meadow Mar 31, 2021, 7:08 PM

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in the same day

gray gazelle Mar 31, 2021, 7:08 PM

#

o

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wow

quick hornet Mar 31, 2021, 7:08 PM

#

willow pecan Mar 31, 2021, 7:08 PM

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stare

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catThink

gray gazelle Mar 31, 2021, 7:08 PM

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catwiggle

broken meadow Mar 31, 2021, 7:08 PM

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namington is very fast

hasty turret Mar 31, 2021, 7:08 PM

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quick hornet

Destroyed by fax and logic

static crest Mar 31, 2021, 7:08 PM

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I'm an afk owner of some anime server, and one day I checked back on it and saw some cringery

gray gazelle Mar 31, 2021, 7:08 PM

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2/3 of my complex anal lectures this week are cancelled sadcat

static crest Mar 31, 2021, 7:08 PM

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and banned like 5 people

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was fun

willow pecan Mar 31, 2021, 7:09 PM

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catThink

quick hornet Mar 31, 2021, 7:09 PM

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sadly i cant ban metalninja

static crest Mar 31, 2021, 7:09 PM

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sadge

broken meadow Mar 31, 2021, 7:09 PM

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not anymore

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😔

hasty turret Mar 31, 2021, 7:09 PM

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But,he can

broken meadow Mar 31, 2021, 7:09 PM

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i can't ban metalninja either

gray gazelle Mar 31, 2021, 7:09 PM

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,ban namington

hasty eagleBOT Mar 31, 2021, 7:09 PM

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This may only be done by a moderator!

broken meadow Mar 31, 2021, 7:09 PM

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,ban @broken meadow

hasty eagleBOT Mar 31, 2021, 7:09 PM

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Failed to ban @broken meadow: You don't have permissions to ban this member!

broken meadow Mar 31, 2021, 7:09 PM

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Fail

quick hornet Mar 31, 2021, 7:09 PM

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wait i can remove your mod role

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wtf

static crest Mar 31, 2021, 7:09 PM

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pog

broken meadow Mar 31, 2021, 7:09 PM

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huh

quick hornet Mar 31, 2021, 7:09 PM

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i dont think id be able to give it back though

gray gazelle Mar 31, 2021, 7:09 PM

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sully sully sully sully sully hypersully

static crest Mar 31, 2021, 7:09 PM

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do it

broken meadow Mar 31, 2021, 7:09 PM

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i can't remove yours though

hasty turret Mar 31, 2021, 7:09 PM

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Metal,Remove Nami's mod role

static crest Mar 31, 2021, 7:10 PM

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you wont

hasty turret Mar 31, 2021, 7:10 PM

#

Now

broken meadow Mar 31, 2021, 7:10 PM

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this is very strange

quick hornet Mar 31, 2021, 7:10 PM

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oh never mind

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it showed the x when i hovered over it

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but it didnt actually delete

broken meadow Mar 31, 2021, 7:10 PM

#

oh

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visual glitch ig

quick hornet Mar 31, 2021, 7:10 PM

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unless it just takes time to update

hasty turret Mar 31, 2021, 7:10 PM

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hmmm

steel viper Mar 31, 2021, 7:11 PM

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,ban namington

hasty eagleBOT Mar 31, 2021, 7:11 PM

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This may only be done by a moderator!

gray gazelle Mar 31, 2021, 7:11 PM

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,whohas moderators

hasty eagleBOT Mar 31, 2021, 7:11 PM

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7.   mniip#9046
8.   Rijinaru#5601
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hasty turret Mar 31, 2021, 7:12 PM

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Imagine if power hieracy order was graded instead of just being lexicographic

willow pecan Mar 31, 2021, 7:13 PM

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catThink

hasty turret Mar 31, 2021, 7:13 PM

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Sorry, It's not even lexicographic

steel viper Mar 31, 2021, 7:14 PM

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what is it based on?

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texit explain yourself

willow pecan Mar 31, 2021, 7:15 PM

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catThink

gray gazelle Mar 31, 2021, 7:15 PM

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Hey guys

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anyone here know how to factor stuff

willow pecan Mar 31, 2021, 7:16 PM

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#❓how-to-get-help

ripe granite Mar 31, 2021, 7:17 PM

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lmao Daminark is last

steel viper Mar 31, 2021, 7:23 PM

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where he belongs smugsmug

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with the other old men smugsmug

willow pecan Mar 31, 2021, 7:24 PM

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stare

broken meadow Mar 31, 2021, 7:28 PM

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who are the other old men

willow pecan Mar 31, 2021, 7:29 PM

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dGhost presumably

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fino presumably

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MetalNinja27 presumably

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woog presumably

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Puerøsøla presumably

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Puerøsøla is canonically old

steel viper Mar 31, 2021, 7:38 PM

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namington

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fiona and woog are neither old nor men

willow pecan Mar 31, 2021, 7:38 PM

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stare

broken meadow Mar 31, 2021, 7:40 PM

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im old ? pain

gray gazelle Mar 31, 2021, 7:40 PM

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i thought woog was almost as old as namington

ionic wren Mar 31, 2021, 10:56 PM

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What r these numbers

wooden sparrow Mar 31, 2021, 10:58 PM

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ionic wren What r these numbers

Coordinates to send hitmen

silk quartz Mar 31, 2021, 11:27 PM

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It has something to do with the date.

willow pecan Mar 31, 2021, 11:29 PM

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stare

obsidian valley Mar 31, 2021, 11:30 PM

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metal has a nice short name flonshed

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rare

willow pecan Mar 31, 2021, 11:30 PM

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jesse has a nice short name

obsidian valley Mar 31, 2021, 11:30 PM

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woah 8da got 1

willow pecan Mar 31, 2021, 11:30 PM

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rare

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8da changed their nickname

obsidian valley Mar 31, 2021, 11:31 PM

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oh

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cheater

willow pecan Mar 31, 2021, 11:31 PM

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A did bacono

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And mniip presumably

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And metal

gray gazelle Mar 31, 2021, 11:32 PM

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Actually, there was a magic for me, I think the bot knew that I should be number 1

willow pecan Mar 31, 2021, 11:32 PM

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stare

static crest Mar 31, 2021, 11:41 PM

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hmmm

gray gazelle Apr 1, 2021, 1:10 AM

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sully

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hypersully

sinful pewter Apr 1, 2021, 2:27 AM

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@sudden kindle highly rec Ender's Shadow if liked Ender's Game

sudden kindle Apr 1, 2021, 2:27 AM

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I think I read that

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It was a long time ago

sinful pewter Apr 1, 2021, 2:27 AM

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about Bean?

karmic thorn Apr 1, 2021, 4:26 AM

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What's with these numbers?