I mean my teacher's notes are very nice
#book-recommendations
drifting elm
the books are there for anyone who wants to know the answer
if you don't want to know then don't read the book
I think I learn more reading professional proofs without errors
that way I know how it should be done
I still learn a lot
mossy flume
Yea but like exercises and HW are still valuable
And imo more valuable than just reading along
cobalt arch
Any books on the laws of algebra of sets?
Do I need Boolean algebra for proving such laws?
drifting elm
@cobalt arch are you looking for a book on set theory?
or group theory
or number theory
or abstract algebra
cobalt arch
Hm
drifting elm
number theory is the creation of sets that satisfy some algebra
cobalt arch
For example I need a book that covers the algebra of sets like the idempotent law.
cobalt arch
Do I need any abstract algebra for basic set algebra? For example the idempotent law is a magma equipped with multiplication.
drifting elm
and abstract algebra covers group theory but also there is more stuff in abstract algebra
no you do set theory first
this is the basics
set theory before number theory
cobalt arch
Yeah but the basics are built on top of these more abstract objects
drifting elm
set theory is easy if you already know boolean algebra
cobalt arch
But not the other way around?
drifting elm
learning set theory without boolean algebra is harder
cobalt arch
Okay
drifting elm
you are learning two things at the same time that makes it hard
drifting elm
group theory is a more advanced area of discrete math
cobalt arch
Because a magma is a groupoid but my knowledge halts there.
drifting elm
boolean is easy
that is all abstract algebra you know already
but also group theory
drifting elm
I learned group theory first before magmas monoids groupoids
before rings and fields it was just groups
cobalt arch
Aren't fields more basic?
drifting elm
groups are the most basic
cobalt arch
Hm I see do they have only one operation?
drifting elm
but you get that in an abstract algebra book anyway
depends how you look at it.
in abstract algebra you can have many operations on a group
you can have sets of operations or groups of operations
it can get crazy
cobalt arch
In what aspects are groups the most basic structures?
Actually let's not start this convo
I know it can get pretty deep
drifting elm
you learn addition and subtraction in an advanced math class
but like as if you are a lawyer proving 2+2=4
cobalt arch
Haha sounds silly but it isn't
drifting elm
natural numbers are a group
- is an operation on a group
prove that the natural numbers are closed under addition
daring reef
2 + 2 = 4 is a definition though
given by the definition of +
on N or Z
so u cant really prove it :c
drifting elm
right
daring reef
so lawyer is screwed
drifting elm
you can prove that 4 is a natural number though
quick hornet
well, it's a natural number by definition
drifting elm
an alternate proof for why 4 is a natural number is 2+2=4
quick hornet
you can prove it's distinct from 1, 2, and 3 though
cobalt arch
Okay too much info I need a starting point.
drifting elm
google that
cobalt arch
Hahaha
drifting elm
true story
daring reef
w0t
banned for saying 2+2=4?
@cobalt arch probably just start with a discrete math book?
drifting elm
drifting elm
afk
cobalt arch
So a discrete math textbook like rosen's covers Boolean algebra? I need to learn what a magma is 
quick hornet
can we not post alt right recruitment rags
yes people on twitter say dumb things all the time in the name of "wokeness"
daring reef
whats magma :0
quick hornet
i still wont trust claims from TPM that people are being "banned" because of it
anyway, back to the topic at hand
i would be very surprised if a discrete mathematics textbook does not cover boolean algebra
but they may not use that term
they may use terms like "propositional logic" or similar
those who call it "boolean algebra" tend to be targeted at CS students and will use the notion + for OR and * for AND
those who call it "___ logic" tend to be targeted at math students and will use the notation ∨ for OR and ∧ for AND
it doesnt really make a difference
static crest
imagine not using + for XOR, the more logical choice
quick hornet
$\oplus$ for XOR is more common
hasty eagleBOT
Chillin' with Quillen
quick hornet
even if it makes less sense when regarding it as a magma
static crest
I meant for cs, I know they use + for OR (because they did in my courses)
I was not a fan
daring reef
real CS students use ^ for xor 
daring reef
fine, but programming is applied CS
static crest
ok, but you dont go to uni for cs to learn how to code, they're teaching the theory
gray gazelle
Programming is not CS
daring reef
right but depending on how programming-heavy the CS class you're taking is you might use ^ for xor instead of circle +
although i guess xor is a pretty theoretical thing and u normally arent writing it in code
teal pendant
i used it out of spite yesterday
quick hornet
anyway i agree that + for XOR "makes the most sense", at least from an algebraic perspective
but CS students/programmers never really look at it from an algebraic perspective
daring reef
i guess != is just an xor
quick hornet
so whatever
calm crane
you use xor when doing bit manipulation stuff
which can either be very common or very rare
depending on what you do
daring reef
yeah
quick hornet
meh, i guess if varA and varB are true-false booleans, then varA ^ varB and varA != varB are the same thing
i prefer the former but maybe thats just my math sensibilities
static crest
I prefer the latter
because it's more clear
to others
and compilers do all the magic anyways
as long as you're not coding in infinite for loops, compilers will optimize it well enough
all the small details can be ignored
daring reef
!= is slightly different in that it treats any number not 0 as 1
flint forge
Imagine not using infinite loop spaces
daring reef
which is more useful if you arent manipulating bits
static crest
you can just leave the the last empty
molten wave
for(;;)
static crest
yes
quick hornet
listen i havent wrote c-style code in literally ever
i think i also forgot to declare i an int
quick hornet
but for(;;) doesnt loop until overflow does it?
daring reef
;;
quick hornet
it loops endlessly
quick hornet
lame
daring reef
while loops can lead to overflow?
quick hornet
personally i determine how large my ints are
by looping until they overflow
this is the most efficient method trust me
static crest
I find my floating point epsilon by running ODE simulations on various step sizes
plotting the errors
and finding where the errors start increasing due to floating point errors
molten wave
you can just maximize |1 - sin^2 x - cos^2 x|
quick hornet
thats what i said smh
calm crane
molten wave
warning: iteration 2147483646 invokes undefined behavior [-Waggressive-loop-optimizations]
calm crane
heh
molten wave
if you change to unsigned it optimizes out
calm crane
the true chad is to have a loop to constantly push into the stack
until you hit the heap
then continue as usual
molten wave
you will probably hit some library's shared memory mapping first
static crest
true chads will use size_t
calm crane
true
calm crane
molten wave
the stack has a guard page on the bottom end of it
when you hit it, the kernel expands your stack
calm crane
oh does it?
molten wave
until it can't
calm crane
ahh
molten wave
then it segfaults
calm crane
the only dumb stack stuff i do is changing rbp and rsp directly lol
change those to point to heap and have fun stuff happen
molten wave
have you ever called 32-bit code from 64-bit and vice versa
calm crane
oh god yes
static crest
size_t is just so iterator size is never larger than the maximum array index possible in the system
it's more generic
across systems
daring reef
size_t D:
molten wave
people trying to come up with CPU architectures suitable for efficient functional programming: noooo you can't do that you have to run on stock hardware
javascript:
calm crane
static crest
I think it's less that you can't do that, it's just that new architectures really have no ecosystem to work in
dense wren
whats a good math textbook that is gamer friendly
dense wren
love it, thank you
ripe granite
why did I not know about this before
fast portal
You were simply not based enough
ripe granite
nvm it's not very good, someone learning algebra for the first time wouldnt understand what's going on
it would be funny if there was a book written in a similar style that you could actually learn algebra from
storm sleet
What kind of background would someone need to get into Homotopy Type Theory?
ripe granite
a traumatic experience in your past
storm sleet
Does taking an intro to CS course with 5 years of programming experience count?
sage python
Quality exchange
maiden gust
can anyone tell me some good probability and set/number theory books
I want to qualify for the amc
aime*
10a
sterile pelican
in grad school do I need to get books like Papa Rudin or Royden?
sage python
You don't need to buy them necessarily
sterile pelican
I have papa rudin already but are they prerequisites to take in grad school?
sage python
It's probably good to learn that material while in grad school
gray gazelle
or better, before grad school
sage python
Yeah optimal would be before, I guess I assume this guy is in his 4th year lol
sterile pelican
I haven't applied to grad school yet I am still at the workforce :^)
gray gazelle
nice, me too
fast portal
inb4 you haven't even gone to ug
sterile pelican
I graduated from ug for quite some time
but as an applied science major :^)
so I am looking at doing some pure maths, currently at Spivak Calculus, and all
drifting elm
$$\oplus;\otimes$$
gray gazelle
\opus 
hasty eagleBOT
galois
drifting elm
in programming we have && & | || but they are not the same
I see $\oplus$ for operations in abstract algebra but I see $\otimes$ in CS books
hasty eagleBOT
galois
galois
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drifting elm
sorry
storm sleet
I see oplus mostly in linear algebra and otimes for tensor products
valid moth
@maiden gust try the aops books
do past AMC practice tests
all the past questions are on aops too
subtle niche
Can you guys recommend a good textbook for topology? Undergrad level/easy if that's a thing...
gray gazelle
it might help to be vaguely familiar with like, basic topology in R^n or metric space stuff
just so it doesn't seem like the topics are coming out of nowhere
quick hornet
yeah ideally you go into topology knowing the topology used in basic analysis of R^n
it isnt necessary
but it helps motivate a lot of stuff
and makes it so you can spend less time thinking about it when it comes up in examples
since you already know how they work
in terms of strictly necessary prerequisites, just proofs really
and mathematical maturity naturally
gray gazelle
and particularly, probably only ch2-4, and bits of 5-8 are useful
(well, probably other parts are useful as well, but those parts are not what munkres is known for)
i guess the other "pre-req" is, what is even the motivation for point set topology? i do not totally know this either, i guess to avoid annoying arguments about epsilons and deltas. but assuming this is the true reason, this is probably a good think to keep in mind (how does my topological argument simplify all the epsilon delta bullshit that i would have to keep track of otherwise with metrics? assuming the spaces i'm working with are metrizable in the first place)
quick hornet
well epsilonics dont even necessarily make sense for some constructions
eg topological continuity
yet continuity in abstract topological spaces still keeps its "important" properties, e.g. continuous image of compact set is compact
karmic thorn
I'm looking for comprehensive, introductory textbooks which cover ordinary and partial differential equations. Any suggestions?
Yeah, I'm looking for proof-based ODE/PDEs.
Oh, okay, will check them out. Thanks!
gray gazelle
Differential Equations with Applications and Historical Notes, GF Simmons
@karmic thorn for really good ODEs textbook I recommend ODEs Basics and Beyond by Schaeffer/Cain, only prerequisites are basic real analysis and linear algebra. It has a lot of problems as well.
(If you don't remember linear algebra/real analysis there are also appendices that cover those)
karmic thorn
Will check them out, thanks! Glazing across MO and MSE makes a strong case for Arnold's texts, but I'll check out all of these.
hasty turret
Because you are an engineer
gray gazelle
Engineer? lol just do Erwin Kreyszig's book
karmic thorn
Simmons seems to fit in my budget, might be the one I settle for.
Oh
Which one do you suggest, then?
I already have a copy of Tenenbaum but it's kinda meh.
His Advanced Engineering Math book?
Or is there one on DEs?
Damn.
I have copies of Riley, Hobson and Bence as well as Boas 
Can they suffice?
RHB is thicc
Oh, I see.
I find Boas to be very clearly written, but maybe not as rigorous or comprehensive.
worldly basalt
2 months No
2 sems yes
karmic thorn
Aah.
worldly basalt
Ohh I'm leading that life too
This is my syllabus for this sem
Haven't even touched probability and statistics and exam is at the end the year
gray gazelle
higher calculus 
remote ginkgo
WOW i was LITERALLY just about to come in here and ask about diff eqs books
karmic thorn
Lucky day.
hasty turret
You are lucky on this holy day
gray gazelle
This is my syllabus for this sem
are you indian
worldly basalt
People deducing from spelling errors that I'm an Indian
I don't know if that's a good thing or bad
remote ginkgo
i am lucky on this wholly day
hasty turret
You are whole on this lucky day
smoky surge
Hey if I was curious about graph theory where should I start
karmic thorn
A Walk Through Combinatorics by Miklos Bona is very well written imo. You could check it out.
smoky surge
Thanks!
quartz pawn
@worldly basalt is that for a systems and signals class?
worldly basalt
We are required to take this in 3rd sem
That's engg math 3
Have already done 1 and 2 in previous sems
hollow current
well
kreyszig is not bad
but meh
i already annihilated your mom's #❓how-to-get-help
but my ODE course uses Kreyszig as main book
no
i am mathematician
ok economist
by smell
kind furnace
Damn Bro how did you finish Diestal??
By far the hardest book I ever read
Its so dense
quick hornet
huh, i've worked out of diestel and i didnt find it that hard
he wasnt very explicit with his proofs mind
but i never found the things he skipped particularly hard to show
im curious what math books youre comparing it to if it's the "hardest"
kind furnace
well mostly math competition book but also rudin and the like
quick hornet
huh, im surprised you considered diestel harder than rudin
different strokes i guess
kind furnace
some serious titu books as well. The problems felt quite hard in deistal
drifting elm
someone tell me what rudin book everyone is talking about. there are 5 books
there are two more books
labeled I and II
grave egret
huh, im surprised you considered diestel harder than rudin
Definitely.
stark creek
rudin is more difficult than tao right
wooden sparrow
Intro to analysis?
Why go with difficult books during intro though? Do you learn more stuff from it?
dapper root
My thoughts: if you want to jump into Rudin just do it. If after two weeks or so you’re just still “holy shit this sucks wtf is going on” try an easier book and come back to it later if you feel like it
If the potential worry of purchasing two books is a deterrent to this, there are ways around this which I don’t think we’re supposed to talk about. But I suggest you be creative
gray gazelle
dapper root
We are trying to move away from it I tihnkn
We may try to enter some discord program
which would require us to end talk of 🏴☠️
cobalt arch
Anyone that has read both of jech's books on axiomatic set theory?
static crest
ah I see
gray gazelle
When we say books do we mean actual literature or textbooks
fluid bay
what's the difference?'
slender sphinx
Books as in math books, textbooks mostly
fossil island
what do you mean, they're both made up
hearty steppe
anyone have any insightful books on becoming a polymath
gray gazelle
I guess diestel looked sort of dry to me
I think I did the first chapter then I was like meh
fossil island
is there a way we can set up speedruns for textbooks and completing problems? like I want to know the %any time of Calculus on Manifolds
gray gazelle
calculus on manifolds
one day
quick hornet
wouldnt a textbook any% just be completing the last problem
quick hornet
in that case an any% would be like
skipping all the exposition and proofs
and just reading definitions and theorems
fossil island
*understanding it
that can be another category
crap, this is not turning out to be a good idea
yeah that's true. i just want to know how long would it take to get through spivak's calculus on manifold (reasonably understanding it)
ok i think i need to burn calculus on manifolds, he literally puts indexing for R_n vectors at the TOP
fossil island
gray gazelle
okay there you told him
spivak's book doesn't actually use einstein notation to its full extent
so the later parts on differential forms are filled with big sums
fossil island
nobody tell algebraic geometers
fossil island
i mean commutative algebraists
static crest
my PDEs course has the best notation
the two ~ indicate this is an approximation by discretizing in two ways
i is the index of discretization in time
k is the index of discretization in space
fossil island
if they tried they could squeeze another index inside the "u"
obsidian valley
How introductory 
unique tree
Introductory like I don't even name what a model is
obsidian valley
Oh...
Enderton?
I guess
or Ebbinghaus
I like Enderton but someone here really likes Ebbinghaus
Just their "mathematical logic" books, you start dealing with models proper in Ch.2 of enderton
obsidian valley
Uh
Apparently the standard text for proper model theory is Hodges
It scares me.
I mean, have you done much mathematical logic?
You can't say Hodges isn't scary
Oh
Hence it is standard
What's the standard one
unique tree
I mean, have you done much mathematical logic?
I am doing it and don't mind if I need to do more of it
obsidian valley
idk I think it's probably best to start with a textbook on logic broadly before focusing on model theory
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Ultra knows better than me for sure though
valid moth
well first you start with jacobson
obsidian valley
yeah learn algebra
hearty steppe
He has a book for that
obsidian valley
That's the real move
unique tree
You mean mathematical logic right
hearty steppe
I thought Jacobson has LA and Abstract Alg books
obsidian valley
The MT textbooks I've skimmed (3 of them) all use a lot of examples from algebra
so if you don't know algebra it'll be 
hearty steppe
MT?
obsidian valley
model therory
Ultra tell us
Give wisdom
Whats the standard intro text
is there evne one
unique tree
What is CK
obsidian valley
Why do you want to do model theory
unique tree
That's because I want to learn some areas on philosophy wich requires logic and other category and model theory. So I am doing math homework before to get started on the real point
obsidian valley
A philosopher
daring reef
there are fields of philosophy that require knowledge of high level math? :0
unique tree
There are some areas like philosophy of language who prereq high level modal logic and on philosophy of space-time wich use this a lot in some ways
obsidian valley
oh yeah makes sense
the modal logician at my school also teaches the philosophy of language course
I'll probably take it
unique tree
hasty turret
Thoughts on Chomsky?
unique tree
It's like this what I mean
obsidian valley
Another south american model theorist
what the hell is going on
Why are you all from Brazil
unique tree
KEK
obsidian valley
Every model theorist on twitter is south american I swear to god
daring reef
Thoughts on Chomsky?
idk anything about wittgenstein but chomsky seems cool
chomsky grammars feel kinda mathy
but apparently he didnt study math at all
Back in 1985 the American graph theorist Frank Harary gave a seminar that he began with an anecdote about Chomsky. Chomsky and he were out for a walk when Chomsky said that he thought that it was time that someone should develop a mathematical theory for studying connections, with objects being vertices and relations between them represented as edges!
source: https://www.quora.com/How-much-mathematics-does-Noam-Chomsky-know
well apparently he didnt study enough math to know what graphs were
unique tree
@sweet lotus does CK requires lots of pre knowledge to get full read?
Algebra or smh
mystic lark
yo anyone have a recommendation for a measure/probability theory book?
hasty turret
This might be good
gray gazelle
Not that I have read it, but I have wondered about reading stanford math 230 lecture notes
silver herald
Measure Theory from what I have read so far seems like cancerous integration ad infinitum
mystic lark
This might be good
not sure if this does smth with prob tho
still umbra
is there a "classic"/best textbook for learning about complex systems?
A lot of what I've tried to investigate myself just via googling all seems very handwavy
95% of the stuff on youtube/random blogs on complex systems just sounds like corporate speak tbh
night knot
Any good recs for Stochastic Processes?
gray gazelle
Sheldon Ross, Stochastic Processes
drifting elm
@still umbra for control theory or FFT?
agile cave
People, next semester I'm going to start my first course of Linear Algebra, in my local bookstore I have this options for books, Linear Algebra and its Applications by David C. Lay, Linear Algebra by Grossman and A modern introduction of linear algebra by David Poole. BTW: At my university they recommend Anton H. Linear Algebra and Strang Linear Algebra, but I can't find them in my lenguage.
still umbra
Control theory is one aspect of complexity systems theory
drifting elm
right but is this as a prerequisite for fourier analysis or something else?
drifting elm
you want ODE and PDE books
still umbra
Applied complexity theory to economics will probably be the end goal
drifting elm
then control theory book
still umbra
yeah, I'm taking a PDE class this semester
drifting elm
I have two signals and systems books
drifting elm
they both cover discrete and continuous systems
still umbra
I basically want to prepare/prestudy the content for this unit
I could email the lect
drifting elm
I'm guessing you want to skip discrete time fourier
so my books would not be right for yu
my books are for CS and EE
still umbra
possibly
drifting elm
you probably want stochastic processes
I don't know if complex systems is even the right word
still umbra
hmm
drifting elm
I don't know enough
still umbra
What field of study would you say these ideas come from
If you're familar
They've come up in some papers I've read
drifting elm
"The study of complex adaptive systems, a subset of nonlinear dynamical systems"
so there
drifting elm
that describes a very specific area of math
some terry tao stuff
nonlinear dynamical systems
quasi shard
How do I get help for math in this place
drifting elm
post in a questions channel
still umbra
Great question, if only there was a dedicated channel for that
drifting elm
maybe you get someone maybe you don't
still umbra
flint forge
drifting elm
either way keep it over there
flint forge
nonlinear dynamics is in fact dynamics
still umbra
oh nice
so presumably, I should start with the book in #books-old
Introduction to Dynamical Systems
by Brin
flint forge
Well, maybe
reading that book will take awhile
are you already familiar w basic point set topology and measure theory?
drifting elm
🤦
still umbra
No, haven't learnt that yet
flint forge
Those are prerequisites for brin/stuck
still umbra
I'm doing a topology unit next semester too x)
but I doubt it will be much help for reading a book now
lel
flint forge
it looks like thats no exactly what you want though
drifting elm
flint forge
it seems like this isn't really a very organized field
i'd look for like a survey text or something specifically about this
drifting elm
a book for your book
drifting elm
gray gazelle
Hi
Anyone online
no
everyone is offline.
@gray gazelle then what are you
offline.
robust palm
I'm offline as well
robust palm
we've always been offline
robust palm
don't question
gray gazelle
Hi...
wake up, it's been years
we miss you
please
@gray gazelle if you have a question, just read #❓how-to-get-help and ask
hollow current
wake up, it's been years
BUT I DO NOT WANT TO WAKE UP
prisma snow
They weren't talking to you. We prefer you sleeping forever.
hollow current
but i am not sleeping neither
hasty eagleBOT
The current time for Commander Vimes is 10:26 PM (+06) on Wed, 16/12/2020.
TTerra is 11 hours behind, at 11:26 AM (EST) on Wed, 16/12/2020.
gray gazelle
sleeping at 10 pm
hollow current
what is sleeping
hybrid dawn
It's fun
gray gazelle
спать
hybrid dawn
hollow current
i dunno what спать means
gray gazelle
🤨
prisma snow
It's cunt in Russian
hollow current
no
prisma snow
It is
hollow current
cunt in russian is lunasong
prisma snow
Finally the origin of my name is known
molten wave
stark creek
what's a good book on abstract algebra?
steel viper
see pinned
stark creek
pinned where?
wooden sparrow
stark creek
oh lol
i'm blind
artin refers to this one right https://www.pearson.com/us/higher-education/product/Artin-Algebra-2nd-Edition/9780132413770.html
sage python
Yeah
normal rain
Anyone have a pdf link for APPLIED NUMERICAL ANALYSIS USING MATLAB
2nd edition
Author: FAUSETT ?
prisma snow
Have you looked on libgen?
prisma snow
:(
marble solar
I got my copy of Knots and Links
First exercise I try is a commutative diagram
: (
sudden kindle
Get rekt
marble solar
: (((((
marble solar
I actually had something in algebraic curves, and I was the only one in the class to draw a commutative diagram
Ok
Take that algebraists
dapper root
Lmao
marble solar
I think on the first day
We had a quiz to state the first isomorphism theorem
That prof. did everyday quizzes
So you'd come in, 5 minute quiz
It was either you got it or you didn't
marble solar
IDK even know why they bother teaching them after the second
dapper root
They’re useful
marble solar
It's much more general than groups
dapper root
Third is more useful than first
And the lattice one is more important than either of those
marble solar
Anytime you have a sufficiently complicated algebraic structure
ripe granite
elman?
marble solar
yA ofc
ripe granite
he also had a gauss poster iirc
marble solar
What's funny brofibration, is my grad algebraic curves prof. had the same thesis advisor as Elman
Their styles were very...similar
dapper root
Who tf is this brofibraruon guy
all I know there is some junior at UCLA who knows a scary amount of math
valid moth
right, like dami
dapper root
Dami’s a sophomore I think
valid moth
artistic license
marble solar
You go to LA, and you see kids taking grad courses sophomore year and you begin to think it's normal
dapper root
Isn’t that normal?
ripe granite
I most probably won't lmao, im no probability theorist by ive got a 0% chance of getting in
ripe granite
You go to LA, and you see kids taking grad courses sophomore year and you begin ...
try first quarter freshman year lmao
dapper root
If you have 0% I have -1%
marble solar
Oh are there more freshman that do that now bro?
dapper root
And I want to believe I at least have epsilon%
marble solar
It used to be Connie would make you wait till sophomore
ripe granite
Oh are there more freshman that do that now bro?
yup
ripe granite
It used to be Connie would make you wait till sophomore
not if you've got multiple IMO medals
dapper root
Shut up Arch
valid moth
what if they never studied algebra in hs and then did commutative algebra first year
dapper root
Lol wut
valid moth
galois theory first semesterr
valid moth
someone
marble solar
Galois?
valid moth
no
hasty turret
I mean, That seems kind of plausible
valid moth
no galois theory
marble solar
Hegel/Sloth/Moth/whatever they go by now
dapper root
They’re still in HS tho...
valid moth
ms*
marble solar
Are you done with finals bro?
marble solar
congrats chmonkey lol
ripe granite
Are you done with finals bro?
need to do a history essay ffs
dapper root
Okay brofibration wtf class are you taking
marble solar
Teo ruiz?
marble solar
226C third quarter grad RG?
ripe granite
spectral AG
marble solar
Are you in 227?
ripe granite
237
marble solar
Ah ok
dapper root
They’re offering a spectral AG course?
ripe granite
topics in alg top
marble solar
Yeah, UCLA runs advanced topics courses all the time
dapper root
And you’re taking it junior year and you have 0% chance to get into Columbia
-_-
Sure
marble solar
UCLA mindset, you're always surrounded by people that are miles ahead of you
No matter what level you are at
dapper root
This is crap you study in like 4th year of your PhD lmao
ripe granite
And you’re taking it junior year and you have 0% chance to get into Columbia
you wont say that once you know about a lot of the other juniors lmao
dapper root
Or 3rd
marble solar
Even the top people feel like you're not at the top
hasty turret
Does that apply to tao?
dapper root
I’m gonna go do Hartshorne
I bet Tao felt off
Given that he was like 14
Altho his undergrad wasn’t a crazy one
At a crazy uni I mean
marble solar
Usually smaller schools do a better job of mentoring students
ripe granite
well yea, he probably wanted to go somewhere close to home
marble solar
As everyone could recall, the way professors at LA treat students is less than great lol
ripe granite
as he was 14
dapper root
Given that he was a kid
Yeah
So I just mean he probably wasn’t surrounded my monsters
valid moth
you just got sniped
marble solar
You could be a literal genius and they'll still shit on you for not being able to do X fast enough
valid moth
sleep
marble solar
||For John it was Visan in Harmonic, but you didn't hear that from me Bro||
valid moth
johnDS
ripe granite
I’m now depressed about my chances
you do seem to be a pretty strong applicant, you shouldn't be too worried. My application has quite a few weak points in it
also, I did not talk to any profs during my second year (because I'm an idiot), so I might be screwed on the rec letters part of it
also underperformed on my REU, so yeah unless I do something over the next 2 quarters I will end up with a very mediocre application
valid moth
ample time to prove quantum ergodicity conjecture
ripe granite
Fortunately, the option of doing a masters and re-applying to phd programs does exist.
wdym
dapper root
There’s a few more that do I think
But I want to go to Columbia which is maybe a tier down
I mean I think one saving grace i hbe is that my gpa overall is still > 3.9
Outside of math too
ripe granite
nah getting into chicago or berk is insanely hard
dapper root
Which isn’t true for some. But idk if thag really matters Much
Idk how much they look at non-math gpa
ripe granite
easy and hard aren't well defined anyway
sage python
I was wondering if you meant undergrad or grad for a sec lol
I feel like at some level it becomes sorta up in the air? Like I def know people who got rejected by Chicago but got into Princeton, etc
Overall Princeton's probably a bit rougher though
sage python
I mean define super
Okay that's likely a bit more true, esp if we include UCLA as top 10
ripe granite
even at UCLA, which isnt a hard school to get into, there's at least 5 people in my year with very competitive applications
5 people just at UCLA
sage python
But there are def tiers below "grad classes freshman year" which the typical good applicant has to worry about
ripe granite
there's a lot more unis
sage python
I don't have a good read on Chmonkey's level so if he's knocking on the door of that then he's prob fine
But e.g. I was learning grad level analysis my second year
ripe granite
5 people just at UCLA
there's probably a lot more at places like mit, princeton, chicago
sage python
So the year I entered at Chicago there were 13 people who started right away in honors analysis
dense pewter
you all worry too much about this imo
just go learn math and stop caring about others
ripe granite
UCLAs intake is approx 20-30 grad students per year. If that's the average intake, then that's approx 200-300 spots in the top 10
sage python
I think Chmonkey's only applying this round to Columbia which is gonna be especially rough this time around
dapper root
Yup
sage python
So full disclosure it might not look pretty. But I mean he's got another year
And even if he doesn't get into Columbia he'd be fine at e.g. Wisconsin
dapper root
I mean I did that knowing that’s the case
marble solar
I understand what you're feeling bro, it's so demoralizing when everyone around you feels like they're miles ahead of you no matter what; you'll probably get into a quality program Bro
ripe granite
I think Chmonkey's only applying this round to Columbia which is gonna be especi...
yeah but it's probably a good idea. I can't do it as the rejection would absolutely crush me.
sage python
slim yeah
valid moth
don't worry chm smh right here i am looking at 2019 mathgre apps and there's a 3.87 gpa DAM with 83% math gre and two reus (and basically just this) who got into brown
dapper root
But I want to do another year
sage python
If he gets into Columbia he'll push hard to graduate this year, otherwise normal
sage python
Chmonkey did you do the Columbia app?
dapper root
School thinks 4th but this is my 3rd year here
I came from community college in Hs
And applied as transfer like a dipshit
So they said I was a sophomore my freshman year
It’s all fucked
So this is “4th” year
sage python
Did it cause you trouble?
dapper root
But really 3rd
Eh, I’ll just explain it on my application
Or whatever
And yes I’ve started the application process
Wrote drafts of the statement
Asked for refs
Reccs
Etc
sage python
Anyway yeah if you finished the Columbia app already just pretend you already got rejected, start doing the things you need to do to graduate this year just in case
dapper root
Haven’t submitted but it’s due Jan 14tb
I mean so
All I need to graduate is “non-major credits@
sage python
But try to forget that you did it
dapper root
And it’s so few I can do it in 1 quarter if I do 18 I think?
So I can graduate if I choose to as late as like March
valid moth
you know, i have yet to see someone get into MIT on these mathgre pages
dapper root
I might get fucked on what classes I get but
valid moth
i should make a bingo card
dapper root
¯_(ツ)_/¯
gray gazelle
Archsys, you have simply not looked hard enough
I have definitely seen people who have gotten into MIT
sage python
So yeah finish the app soonish and then forget about it. Don't wanna hype yourself up too much and then get disappointed
marble solar
Maybe it's cuz ppl who worry about posting stats on a brazilian trading card site don't do enough math?
sage python
Moonbears all the good students are terrified and making chance me posts in a naive attempt to lessen their stress
Smh
ripe granite
But try to forget that you did it
this is hard to do, but good thing is I turn 21 before the application time
sudden kindle
hey i submitted 7 grad apps yesterday]
marble solar
Congrats amin!
sage python
Lol
marble solar
not you m'king
sudden kindle
they should redesign mgre forum
marble solar
No
sudden kindle
it looks like 2000 website
marble solar
They should kill the mgre forum
ripe granite
yes
sudden kindle
that too
marble solar
Reddit and /sci/ already exist
There's no need for some bad forum for ppl to lie about their stats
sudden kindle
i can never trust someone on reddit
marble solar
We already have terrible ones for that
sudden kindle
i bet a lot of people lie on mgre forum
marble solar
Yes everyone lies on the internet
sage python
What's the motivation for doing that?
marble solar
I bet you think my name is moonbears
sudden kindle
just to feel good about anonymous jelousy
sage python
I... see...
ripe granite
oh wow Moonbears, you must be so smart
marble solar
KEEP IT COMIN'
ripe granite
sign my forehead
ripe granite
but I never had the balls to do it
I think you need a marker, but balls might work too
marble solar
I'd have to be pretty plastered to ask him for that
hasty turret
I think He would just be like "ok, This is weird,but whatever idc"
sage python
Heh that was an amusing exchange
valid moth
namely i saw someone get into MIT on mathgre
sage python
Did you see someone get into mathgre on MIT tho?
sudden kindle
but seriously tho, im in a discord server with a few other math phd applicatants. thats the only type of interation i get with the application process community. i dont look on mgre forum but they post about it sometimes
valid moth
sage python
Also mathgre is for plebs real people who wanna panic about admissions use [REDACTED]
I will not say the name of the site because some people here are in the middle of grad apps and I do not wish to ruin their lives
dapper root
Lol I don’t know what this is supposed to be a reference to even
sage python
Chmonkey that's good
marble solar
No anarch, do
sage python
Don't look it up
valid moth
dapper root
I thought math GRE was the the de facto one
dapper root
I saw a lot of like
sudden kindle
.lolol
marble solar
"Double minor"
dapper root
3.98 math gpa
valid moth
Post by lzxnl » Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:04 pm
Undergrad Institution: International, one of the highest ranked in the country
Masters Institution: Same as above
Major(s): Applied Mathematics (Diploma, Masters), Physics (Bachelors)
GPA: 4.00
Type of Student: International Asian Male
GRE Revised General Test
Q: 170 (96%)
V: 165 (96%)
W: 6.0 (99%)
GRE Subject Test in Mathematics:
M: 890 (92%)
TOEFL Score: Waived
Program applying: Applied Mathematics PhD
Research experience: 1 summer project on fluid mechanics + student conference, masters thesis on rarefied gas dynamics which my supervisor is rapt about, writing a paper soon, original work
Awards/Honours/Recognitions: Freshman maths award, scholarship in masters all semesters for academic merit, dean's list first and third year undergrad (not second year because exchange)
Pertinent activities/jobs: Have tutored every maths subject completed in my first two years of undergrad, as well as a few from my third year and one from my masters.
Any Miscellaneous Points that Might Help: Masters supervisor works at Caltech half the year as a professor (which means supervision in that semester is indeed challenging ): )
Any Other Info That Shows Up On Your App and Might Matter: Consistently did more subjects than the standard work load, consistently did subjects without the prerequisites and performed well in them (like graduate level Electromagnetism as a sophomore, graduate level Stochastic Calculus without having taken measure-theoretic probability)
Applying to Where:
MIT - Accepted 8/2, 30k fellowship, going :D
Harvard - Rejected 7/2
NYU Courant - Rejected 12/4
Caltech - Rejected 23/2
UCLA - Rejected 19/4
University of Michigan - Ann Arbor - Accepted unofficially 5/2, officially 6/2
Brown University - Accepted unofficially 31/1, officially 22/2```30k damn
sudden kindle
quadruple major
slender sphinx
What is accepted unofficially
dapper root
Rip
slender sphinx
marble solar
He got in for an applied math program
ripe granite
same
sage python
Chmonkey yeah I mean I guess keep checking out math gre and see what info you can glean noting that some stuff is weird
sage python
Okay good
valid moth
Undergrad Institution: Asian
Major: Math
Minor(s): N/A
GPA: Major 3.9
Type of Student: International
GRE Revised General Test: Q96%/V65%/W41%
GRE Subject Test in Mathematics: 91%
TOEFL Score: 108 = R30/L30/S23/W25
Program Applying: Pure Math
Research Experience: N/A
Awards/Honors/Recognitions: Nothing special
Pertinent Activities or Jobs: Have been a tutor a few times
Any Miscellaneous Points that Might Help:
- 2 famous letter writers
- 2 graduate courses
Applying to Where:
Chicago - Admitted on Jan 8 :D GOING!
Stanford - Rejected on Feb 23
Princeton - Rejected on Jan 31
MIT - Rejected on Feb 13
UCB - Rejected on Feb 8
Columbia - Admitted on Feb 8 :D
Brown - Rejected on Feb 15
UPenn - :shock:
Toronto - Rejected on Mar 28
UBC - Rejected on May 10
Wisconsin Madison - Admitted on Feb 13
Northwestern - Rejected on Feb 10
UCSD - Rejected on Mar 7
UCSB - Admitted on Feb 15
UCI - Withdrawn``` tfhow did they get into chicago
marble solar
I think it's just too inconsistent and too many liars
valid moth
Awards/Honors/Recognitions: Nothing special
Pertinent Activities or Jobs: Have been a tutor a few times
Any Miscellaneous Points that Might Help:
- 2 famous letter writers
- 2 graduate courses```Hey arch
valid moth
uchicago
dapper root
Wanna stop posting this
ripe granite
CAN WE PLEASE STOP POSTING MGRE POSTS
valid moth
well sure i already did my bingo
dapper root
sudden kindle
yeah stop
sage python
I mean 2 famous letter writers is not bad, and the stats are high
valid moth
seems i have touched a nerve amongst the undergrads
sage python
So I could see it
valid moth
sudden kindle
waht is this gif lol
sage python
I mean it blows up the screen too lol
sudden kindle
yeah i cant read the convo
gray gazelle
Imagine not having an 8 inch phone
sudden kindle
this kid is so cool
ripe granite
PTYamin, where did you apply?
sudden kindle
I applied to 7 schools
dapper root
UW Seattle?
marble solar
Applications were way more exhausting than they should have been
sudden kindle
Princeton, MIT, Michigan, UW Madison, Minnesota, CU Boulder, Rutgers
dapper root
Wtf
marble solar
OH FUCK
sudden kindle
yay i was able to recall from memory
sage python
Seattle's not the best for number theory tbh
marble solar
Sorry to my letter writers who all submitted to boulder
slender sphinx
Man everyone is applying this year
ripe granite
what kind of math are you interested in?
sudden kindle
damn moon bears
ripe granite
Man everyone is applying this year <:thonkeyes:513055606316335120>
no
sudden kindle
dont you have a spreadsheet with the deadlines?
marble solar
I got so god damn stressed about my car and Austin
I do
My car got broken into on Monday and my shit got jacked
dapper root
Bruh
dapper root
Fucking rip
sudden kindle
thats terrible
marble solar
Then Austin decided to throw a fit about my uhhh transcripts not being official
so I scrambled to get that done
sudden kindle
you had to upload official transcripts or send them?
marble solar
I had to email them to myself
sudden kindle
yeah i did that
marble solar
And then download them, then upload them to the austin portal
Not the unofficial ones
sudden kindle
like you get an official transcript (its 10 dollars at my school) sent to yourself
marble solar
Many of my schools that I studied at charged me
sudden kindle
and then upload that
sudden kindle
oh shit
sudden kindle
not just one school