#book-recommendations

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strange owl
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A book this is the link

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this book may be complex though

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Just research a few books and you might find one you like

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@maiden glen

gray gazelle
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It's fine dw!

strange owl
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yw

crude flame
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Guys aops problems is hard and tough then normal problems?

modern ruin
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good instrument

grave forum
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Are there any general math books that are easy to understand? I missed out a lot on my year 7-9 math classes , and my fundamentals are very crappy, I'm currently in year 11, struggling a bit.

gray gazelle
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Um does anyone here have any experience with Klaus Jänich Linear algebra text?

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It will be my first intro to linear algebra, I tried hoffman kunze but :).

left crown
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Hey, so I am a high school graduate which wants to follow a math major program and would want to try to get an Olympiad medal. Does anyone have some book recommendations or resources?
Books that focus on improving your reasoning etc.

normal crystal
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déjà vu

lime vessel
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Which olympiad pandathink

unique breach
orchid musk
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Reading this becoming guys snarky responses to people while at work really passes the time

sudden kindle
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LETS DO THIS

pulsar nest
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Anyone have any opinions on Jay Cummings' proofs and/or real analysis long form mathematics textbooks?

trail hemlock
jovial parrot
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Our time

trail hemlock
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mhm

jovial parrot
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jays writing style is very friendly

trail hemlock
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jay cummings…where do i even begin …

jovial parrot
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Especially if you struggle

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He really explains everything nicely

pulsar nest
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Oooh I met the fanboys

jovial parrot
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lol

pulsar nest
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I am going into 10th grade with a self-taught accelerated curriculum and his proofs are the very first mah book I've ever bought

jovial parrot
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I like his proofs book

pulsar nest
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And so far I'm loving it

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Also love that he gives 10 exercises' solutions for every chapter

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I've heard there isnt that luxury with the real analysis

pulsar nest
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10x

real marsh
real marsh
pulsar nest
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But I see your point

real marsh
normal crystal
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4 out of 5 tadpoles approve

jovial parrot
pulsar nest
pulsar nest
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proooofs

real marsh
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like its a textbook

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that's full of problems

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on like discrete stuff

real marsh
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I'd think of it as maths where theres a finite amount of stuff

pulsar nest
fair mortar
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How is Stewart James' Calculus

molten mason
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Answers are on Quizlet Plus

fair mortar
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What level of calc would it be if i finish it

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is it like beginner or slightly higher

remote sparrow
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it's a staple of the curriculum

fair mortar
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I see

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thanks

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Any recommendations for intermediate level number theories

molten mason
civic birch
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i am beginner in math any book recommendations

stuck zephyr
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depends on which topic you want

civic birch
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algebra

stuck zephyr
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algebra 1 or 2?

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probably khan academy is best for this since I don't know any good books Xd

civic birch
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thx

stuck zephyr
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your textbook is enough

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maybe

trail hemlock
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khan academy is the best for alg 1-2

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but aops publishes really good algebra books too

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lang's Basic Mathematics and Gelfand's Algebra are also good

civic birch
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thx man

gray gazelle
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the name is "everything u need to ace for pre algebra maths in one big fat notebook"

violet hearth
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I'm new to elliptic curves and those stuff, and I want to learn about L functions, do you have any recommendations?

dull fog
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any books I can do to learn math?

marsh ingot
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What kind of math?

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Calculus, algebra, geometry, real analysis, complex analysis, algebraic structures,...?

normal crystal
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next question, "is there a math discord" 🤡

remote vortex
gray gazelle
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i googled a book title and the first link that showed up was a harvard pdf link, does this mean i can use the book for free legally or is it only for their students?

normal crystal
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what book
if it isn't locked on canvas or whatever, it's fine

gray gazelle
normal crystal
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that book is fine to download
if you looked on the Professor's page of that link, it says that

mellow wren
gray gazelle
gray gazelle
normal crystal
gray gazelle
gray gazelle
normal crystal
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np, just encouraging

quasi dock
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haiya! came to ask, hows stanley i grossmans multivariable calculus, linear algebra, and differential equations? im advance studying for my calc 3, diffeq and my linear algebra courses and it semt like just the right book for me rn considering i think i have a good enough grasp on the calc 1 and calc 2 material

autumn fox
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hello, can someone recommend me some books on the topic of algtop / dynamical systems / topological dynamics, preferably with some focus on numerical/computational methods? i'm taking a gap year and want to snatch something to read from digital library before i lose access to it for a year

gray gazelle
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what are some books about techniches? (problem solving, but not just strategies , but rather on how to understand)

deft thistle
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i am trying to find a book that covers a little more advanced algebra and another book that covers precalculus, someone has a recommendation for me?

gray gazelle
willow merlin
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best intro to linear algebra that is not anton

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and not c lay

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???

gray gazelle
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or maybe umm

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!bookrecs

hybrid sparrowBOT
gray gazelle
molten mason
gray gazelle
deft thistle
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I am seeing here and it seems a little easy for me, I would like something more advanced and a saw a book called algebra by serge lang. Do you guys think is a good choice? @molten mason @gray gazelle

heady ember
gray gazelle
lime vessel
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Lang Basic Mathematics is probably more appropriate

gray gazelle
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yes2

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algebra by serge lang is abit more harder

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i suppose you really want hard problems in the book?

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then

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algebra by Gelfand

lime vessel
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Lang Algebra is like another subject entirely

gray gazelle
lime vessel
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Gelfand is high school algebra

gray gazelle
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Serge Lang has 4 algebra books: 1. Intro to LA, 2. LA, 3. Undergrad Algebra, 4. Algebra So @deft thistle you probably need to clarify.

lime vessel
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Well they mentioned precalculus so I'm assuming high school algebra

gray gazelle
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What

lime vessel
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Lang Algebra is for postgraduate students btw

deft thistle
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Good to know

lime vessel
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Like the phase after 4 years of uni

gray gazelle
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I think probably a bit more than that, needs to be an outstanding postgrad or smthopencry

deft thistle
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wow

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well so ill probably search for this one, algebra by gelfand

gray gazelle
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Yeah surely

deft thistle
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does it talks about precalculus too?

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i think i would need a book about combinatorial analyses, permutation, combinatories et cetera

gray gazelle
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What have you done in math? I would like to know so I can help you.

deft thistle
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perfect . i started to learn math by my self for 2 months and i am struggling with algebra, equations and some of them are really simple. I am studying to make an exam and my biggest problems are algebra and combinatories

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i am studying math with previous exams and youtube

gray gazelle
gray gazelle
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Hello there, I am searching a book for discrete maths, I get Concrete Maths but I feel sometimes the level is too high for me in some aspects

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I don´t really know what to do, it is normal that it just hurt my brain and my working memory doesn´t understand it?

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It goes too fast

weary kestrel
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Hey guys

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Anyone has a good resources for solving complex problems

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I just wanna practice calculus and simplify some equations

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thanks in advance

weary kestrel
glad elm
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Algebra of set theory: Definition of concepts, laws of algebra of sets, Venn diagram and application. Real Numbers: Rational numbers, theory of surds, sequences and series (including AGP), binomial theorem, theory of quadratic, cubic and quartic equations, indices and logarithms, mathematical induction, partial fractions, theory of equations, inequalities and polynomials (including factor and remainder theorems). Complex Numbers: Algebra of complex numbers, Argand diagram, multiplication and division of numbers in polar form, nth root of unity, and DeMoivre’s theorem, expansion of sin nØ, cos nØ, tan nØ.

Anyone know a book/books that cover these topics at the 1st year undergrad level?

molten gulch
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Can't think of a single book that does this and esp not at year 1 level. Can think of multiple books that'd cover all this info when out together

glad elm
molten gulch
glad elm
molten gulch
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I mean, for some of em I might have some intro stuff

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Lemme check

foggy gorge
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Can someone suggest a book about geometry and set theory?

I'm learning to apply for a computer science bachelor and I also want to dive in mathematics olympiads

molten gulch
# glad elm Algebra of set theory: Definition of concepts, laws of algebra of sets, Venn dia...

Algebra of set theory: Any discrete mathematics textbook should introduce this to a good degree. We have a copy of Rosen's Discrete Mathematics but again, any discrete math book should have a good amout of info on this. If you want to go more in depth, you have Jech's set theory book but it's very much a Definition, Theorem, Lemma, Proof type book. From what we're aware of, discrete maths books (sometimes) have chapters on the binomial theorem as part of a chapter on combinatorics and counting. If you want something a bit more combinatorics-only focused, there's many good books on combinatorics that are good if you know proof strategies

For sequences and series, again, some discrete books have a small amount of info on them, but for a strong intro, we'd recommend going through the chapter on sequences and series in a calculus textbook (stewart's calculus, thomas' calculus, etc...) or hell even a real analysis textbook (though that may be a bit too much at once) (Abbott, Pugh, Rudin, etc...)

For quadratic, cubic, quartics, general polynomials, ln, exponentials, equations, and inqualities; we learned most of that from a precalculus and algebra textbook. Again, there's many you can look for there.

For complex numbers: the main books we have are on complex variables and analysis so we can't really be of much help for a basic introduction.

glad elm
molten gulch
molten gulch
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We sadly don't know any good geometry books

foggy gorge
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No problem, thank you very much

molten gulch
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but yea, wouldn't recommend tbh because the rest of that book is very heavy calculus

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legit would just say go look on khanacademy or such

foggy gorge
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Have you any clue if "axiomatic geometry" is a good one?

molten gulch
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or isbn or author name

glad elm
candid creek
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which book can i lose my virginity

glad elm
molten gulch
candid creek
foggy gorge
candid creek
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but i clutched the exams

candid creek
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reading baby rudin rn

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feeling this might be it

molten gulch
foggy gorge
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Which books he made so far?

molten gulch
# foggy gorge Which books he made so far?

there's probs more than this, but the ones we know of are

  • Intro to Smooth Manifolds
  • Intro to Riemannian Manifolds
  • Intro to Topological Manifolds
  • Intro to Complex Manifolds (this one isn't out yet)
foggy gorge
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They seem books for ones that knows calculus

molten gulch
foggy gorge
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I am still in precalculus sully

hollow peak
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I love it so far, I'm 4 chapters in

molten gulch
dapper root
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Or do you need IRM too

maiden glen
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books concerning order theory?

hollow peak
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You definitely have enough background at least

sturdy gust
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does anyone know of a book on constructive group theory?

sturdy gust
maiden glen
sturdy gust
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as in constructuve mathematics

maiden glen
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oh

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a constructivist

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interesting

sturdy gust
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not sure, i just think its an interesting area of mathematics

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that can coexist with classical

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i dont necessarily consider myself a constructivist

gray gazelle
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!bookrecs

hybrid sparrowBOT
tall karma
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Can someone recommend an introductory numerical analysis text?

For background: I took an undergrad numerical optimization course and did major in mathematics with the intent of going to grad school for combinatorics (but chose to go into CS instead)

I would like something that goes more in-depth assuming I have a good working understanding of linear algebra, real analysis and complex analysis with a bit of exposure to harmonic analysis

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not entirely sure what all is relevant here, but I just want something that lets me get a better understanding of what was going on in my undergrad course and helps me solve numerical optimization problems that are coming up in work and hobbies

cobalt arch
sturdy gust
cobalt arch
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This is currently the only book on my list of constructive math books pertaining to Algebra

sturdy gust
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sad

cobalt arch
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Along with one which is more advanced, on commutative algebra

strange siren
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Hi guys I want to be able to take multivariable calc, linear algebra, and a intro differential equations class but I feel like my calculus 2 knowledge is weak, particularly with polar coordinates, parametric equations, and sequences and series. Do you guys have any books and/or resources you guys would recommend using to relearn calculus 2? And how would you recommend thinking about such materials/how would you approach learning calc 2

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I haven't tried to learn math content entirely by myself, so I'm wondering how much to focus on understanding proofs/how the important theorems connect with each other, and how I can evaluate I've done enough problems in each textbook section to have a good grasp of content

sturdy gust
cobalt arch
molten mason
strange siren
gray gazelle
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hello guys any recommendations how to do proofs from like basic mathematics by serge lang?

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having a hard time what is really a proof

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you know the deep meaning which i really don't know..

mossy flume
gray gazelle
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i really don't know what's the context of proofs and how to use them xd

strange siren
gray gazelle
strange siren
nova lotus
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googling wH young year didnt do much for me

gray gazelle
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24

gray gazelle
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can you give the title?

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i dont trust link

molten mason
# gray gazelle page 26

Page 435 starts the answer key to the book so you can look at how answers are to similiar questions. The answer to that specific question is on page A-5.

Utilize the #proofs-and-logic channel and the #precalculus channel for that textbook.

A lot of learning proofs is just trial and error, when you see the answer try to work backward to see how it was made. Then try to recreate it yourself from memory. Try to explain to yourself why every step is there.

Most people learn proofs just from doing it out of a book exercises, but there are plenty of Intro to Proofs textbooks. Daniel Velleman has a common one, Jay Cummings has another.

gray gazelle
normal crystal
molten mason
molten mason
# gray gazelle answer key doesn't make sense lol... i mean what's the purpose of proofs <:monke...

In math we can't just say something exists or that something does something. We must prove it. This makes more sense the higher in math you go.

For Basic Mathematics I wouldn't stress too much about it. I would simply review the questions and answers when it comes to the proof questions in that textbook so you can just become familiar with what they look like. You need to get the actual pre-calc knowledge down first.

gray gazelle
molten mason
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Polar Coordinates and Parametric Equations I would just keep going down the YouTube rabbithole to get practice. They were used a lot in multivariable Calc. A lot of trig identities and trig integrals. Not so much series/sequences

molten mason
magic knoll
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is haese green book for math aahl gud?

trail hemlock
maiden glen
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unique and extensive proof writing books for self study?

molten gulch
gray gazelle
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Hello there, I am searching a book for discrete maths, I get Concrete Maths but I feel sometimes the level is too high for me in some aspects

trail hemlock
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what is concrete math out of curiosity

gray gazelle
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Math to lay concrete roads

tender river
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a book by knuth

median fossil
gritty gale
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so i graduated a while back and ive been wantng to get back into things by having another crack at my weakest subjects so i guess what im asking is if there's a good angle to attack electromagnetism from as somebody coming back (i'd ask the physics discord but they want my phone number)

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also idr what i was reading last time around. i think it was probably just the course notes with supplementary tipler+mosca

median fossil
gritty gale
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oh yes

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griffith. i remember griffith

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well. i remember it existing. idr how much i used it

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ok i'll try those thx

maiden glen
molten gulch
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yw

maiden glen
# molten gulch yw

have you any good introductory universal algebra texts for self study too?

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better yet

maiden glen
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differential equations?

molten gulch
maiden glen
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thank you

gritty gale
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also while ur here what do u think of using feynman?

remote ginkgo
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idk i learned from it

gritty gale
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ah fuck how is it 1am already

remote ginkgo
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i think feynman and susskind both leave out too much

gritty gale
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shit

gritty gale
remote ginkgo
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i would say probably landau is the 'graduate book' that is maybe too hard for young people

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idk who grant is

remote ginkgo
gritty gale
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tru but one should also aspire to not being thoroughly mediocre the first time around. but here i am

gritty gale
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anyway im gonna sleep. thx for the advice

remote ginkgo
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hm idk it

remote ginkgo
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other than a graduate quantum class i took

livid lintel
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Any good book on the history of magick and that sort of practice?

molten mason
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Jackson isn't exactly user-friendly if you don't know how to get the answer... like you should probably review a few things before going through it.

foggy quest
drowsy nacelle
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Any recs for diff eqs from a more Lie theory standpoint?

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Preferably something that has a good amount of computation problems as well

trail hemlock
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i read that in captain holt's voice

remote ginkgo
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is the only "proper" one

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i and a friend went through like half of the book and are familiar with the subject as lie knew it, but another friend of mine finished the book and does research in that area now and says that the later parts are rehashings of the earlier parts on steroids

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and are way more powerful

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it has lots of computation problems

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there are other books that are not as deep, like hydon's, which can be a source of good easy practice problems too

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this is olver, the main one that covers the history & methods

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here's hydon

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the difference in exposition is pretty insane, hydon basically has like 5% of the content

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no development of the theory at all

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regarding that friend i mentioned who does research in this now, his undergrad advisor apparently wrote some books i am seeing for the first time now, which talk about this. don't know what's in them, but might be worth a look as well

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there are various collected papers published from conferences you can find around

drowsy nacelle
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most likely i'm not gonna use only one book regardless esp for problems so this is helpful to know

remote ginkgo
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sure, sure

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i will say the whole first chapter of olver you can likely skip

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he just covers basic analysis on manifolds there

drowsy nacelle
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ah okay

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yeah i'll probably just assess as i go

remote ginkgo
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and right after that it gets pretty immediately computational & interesting

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he's a great writer ^_^

drowsy nacelle
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damn let me take a look at oliver

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this def sounds like what i was asking for

remote ginkgo
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i had some trouble when i tried to go a different route, looking at equivariant diff eqs

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like in the vein of golubitsky

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i didn't find much interesting there, though this was likely mostly because of writing style

drowsy nacelle
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yeah, its taking a little bit to download but im hyped to check this out

remote ginkgo
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it was too algebraic -- the olver approach is directly what Lie himself was doing originally & is extremely geometric

drowsy nacelle
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yeah fair

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yeah looks quite good @remote ginkgo

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i'll check the others you mentioned as well

queen fog
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^ deleted my message, moving it to groups chat (to avoid cross-posting)

maiden glen
daring silo
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Is Schilling's book good for measure theory? I finished Rudin's Principles of Mathematical Analysis and now I want to learn measure theory

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I know essentially nothing about measure theory but in the preface the author says

I tried to avoid topology and, when it comes in, usually an understanding of an open set and open ball (in R^n ) will suffice
And I'm not sure if this is a bad or good thing. Rudin's book had a chapter about topology

livid lintel
foggy quest
foggy quest
livid lintel
tender river
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no

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delete the above conversations

foggy quest
daring silo
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Okay, so I will use this book as the main source but also look at Folland's and Gogachev's books

maiden glen
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thank you though

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if libgen has it then anna must

queen fog
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did you ever read How to Think About Abstract Algebra by Lara Alcock?

remote ginkgo
nocturne swallow
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so as a high-school student I face a problem that is losing old rule like in geometry algebra coordinates and stuff (sorry for low vocab) so what i need is generally a summery that just hold the rules

remote sparrow
daring silo
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I found the manual but for some reason the solutions are wrong

queen fog
daring silo
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For some reason I can't send images here but I can send images in other channels

remote sparrow
daring silo
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Then in the solution to another exercise he uses a geometric sum r/2^(n - 1) from n = 1 to infinity, and says it is equal to r

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Is this really the author's solutions?

queen fog
# remote sparrow i think it's good

i did a search on the server and saw that you mentioned it. would you care to share anything you liked from the book? i am thinking about buying a copy. i thought that it looked like it could be a good supplement to a standard abstract algebra book.

daring silo
daring silo
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Look at the sum in the solution to problem 1.3

frail hollow
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If anyone is interested in tensor calculus, I recommend Tensor Calculus for Physics, by Neuenschwander

trail hemlock
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$\oiiint$ himself

hasty eagleBOT
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BlackBeard

trail hemlock
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!bookrecs

hybrid sparrowBOT
trail hemlock
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...doesnt have it, nevermind lol

daring silo
trail hemlock
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its hiden

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🙈

sonic hill
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Hi

tall karma
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any recommendations for introductory texts on convex optimization?

gray gazelle
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Any recommendations on rigorous Analytic Geometry?

primal zodiac
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any recommendations for pre-univerisity maths (11th std) preparing for a competitive exam called IOQM

trail hemlock
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looks to be amc/aime level, so the aops serise would prob help

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Aops Intermediate Algebra, Geometry, Number Theory are all good

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as well as vol 1 and vol2 as reference

trail hemlock
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mid level aime or HMMT or SMT more likely

leaden lark
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nice to find someone who knows about it

livid lintel
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Book on mathematical simulation for biology (or just general introductory book on that)?

vital bane
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what do you mean by "mathematicial simulation for biology"?

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Compartmental models are a very general modelling technique. They are often applied to the mathematical modelling of infectious diseases. The population is assigned to compartments with labels – for example, S, I, or R, (Susceptible, Infectious, or Recovered). People may progress between compartments. The order of the labels usually shows the fl...

livid lintel
stable flicker
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There's multiple math modelling books, but I don't know about any that specialise in biology

stable flicker
livid lintel
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Thank you so much

stable flicker
narrow relic
daring silo
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Cool

narrow relic
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I've worked through a number of chapters of it.

daring silo
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I skimmed over the first two chapters yesterday since they are things I already know (operations on sets, countability, etc)
I might actually start studying today

narrow relic
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Oh, I just saw you mentioned you've worked through the Rudin book, you'll be fine then if you have studied some linear algebra as well.

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To understand the d-dimensional Lebesgue measure material you need to know linear algebra (and probably for some of the other things I didn't get to).

fickle whale
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Is there a book all about algebras over the quaternions

fickle whale
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Precursory glances seems to me that it discusses Quaternion Algebras over a Field(/Ring?)

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I'm referring to Algebras over the Quaternions

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Are both included?

fickle whale
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A quaternion algebra over the quaternions, maybe a bad example

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But obvious how to generalize

fickle whale
haughty walrus
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@maiden glen What's that pfp? It's something about math?

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Anyway, i need recommendations for Analysis books. Maybe something "international", that I can find in Europe.

maiden glen
haughty walrus
sudden kindle
fickle whale
sudden kindle
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From Wikipedia: Jacquet–Langlands correspondence is all about "relating automorphic representations of GL_r(D) and GL_{dr}(F), where D is a division algebra of degree d^2 over the local or global field F."

fickle whale
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exactly what I'm asking for

gray gazelle
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hi

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is linear algebra by georgi shilov considered a good book

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i know general & basic stuff about the topic

loud cradle
gray gazelle
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yeah that was surprising

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good thing i already know about them

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thanks bungo

molten mason
fresh skiff
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Is using Munkers (Topology) and Lee's book (Topological manifold) together a good idea?

trail hemlock
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Munkres topology or analysis on manifolds

gritty cloak
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Hi

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Best book for jee mains

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Trigonometry

fresh skiff
trail hemlock
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responses to this quora post seem to be in line with your request

minor shoal
trail hemlock
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seems to work for me

minor shoal
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Do you know is there another way I can download them? It's seems impossible for me, I'm afraid

gritty cloak
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S

minor shoal
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What does "S" mean?

molten mason
molten mason
minor shoal
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I think you might be right. You're correct, I'm on mobile. I will try on my computer now. Thank you so much, Sal!!

vital bane
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Sal...from Khan Academy sotrue

tribal crow
vital bane
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The guy who made Khan Academy is "Sal Khan"

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short for Salman Khan

willow merlin
brave burrow
molten mason
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Ghengis Khan really be making an impact centuries later

trail hemlock
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o nah

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HIGHER!

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I SEE U

tribal crow
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perhaps Salagos is Sal Khan hmmcat

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hello BlackBeard

trail hemlock
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🫵

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higher!

tribal crow
gray gazelle
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Book recommendations for ML math? I've already taken calc, probability, and linear algebra. mainly looking for a refresher and optimization

maiden glen
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my not so light review of the review of d&f's abstract algebra book therein server website may have been a misunderstanding of the intention of the reviewer or the sources

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the review is likely assumes the reader is capable of the abstraction, and modeling that comes with abstract algebra

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then omitting elementary algebra and calculus as prerequisites for obvious reasons

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especially since the "new math movement" was not too long ago

trail hemlock
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d&f is boring

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use artn or jacobson

maiden glen
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overrated texts

trail hemlock
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who needs melatonin gummies when yo have d&f

trail hemlock
maiden glen
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d&f is good

trail hemlock
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i didnt say it wasnt food

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good

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its just boring

maiden glen
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okay.

maiden glen
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often

molten mason
maiden glen
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it was also uncalled for

molten mason
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Also on the basis of abstraction in general, some people have an intuition for algebra or analysis. Abstract algebra comes easy to me for example, so I feel that's user-dependent.

maiden glen
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that's exactly what I was saying

molten mason
# maiden glen it was also uncalled for

Nah, part of book recommendations is what will help someone learn the subject. For some people, this matters greatly. If they can't get past the first chapter without falling asleep, then they won't learn the material. Other people ||(Lang gang)|| this is irrelevant.

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The boring level of a book means absolutely 0 to me, but I still let others know how the motivation is inside the book in case it matters to them.

molten mason
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Their second comment if you scroll up

molten mason
trail hemlock
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yeah

trail hemlock
trail hemlock
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like wait lemme

loud cradle
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D&F is boring, of course
it's good though

molten mason
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Yeah

trail hemlock
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ok idk where my pdf went

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but hte problems arent really interetting

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jacobson has nicer problems imo

molten mason
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I haven't gone too much into D&F except skimming some parts, but the general opinion agrees with that

loud cradle
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jacobson seems too hard for an undergrad course though

molten mason
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I don't mind hand-holding, but I hate when textbooks are unnecessarily wordy. I just want the knowledge, then exercises to apply that knowledge, then to move on.

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A lot of "reference textbooks" I like for that reason

loud cradle
trail hemlock
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yeha thats why i like lang

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granted it may be boring

molten mason
trail hemlock
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but he doesnt waste a lot of words

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the psets are interesting and not obvious (to me lmfao)

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D&F has like 2 paragraphs of yap which is alright, its just not what i like.

molten mason
loud cradle
heady ember
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Why have exposition when you prove everything yourself and ask yourself questions, which you then answer yourself sotrue

trail hemlock
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then again, i dont really know algebr well enough to comment on textbook A vs textbook B in terms of coverage.

molten mason
loud cradle
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ah ok i only know the "obvious" ones by aluffi and lang ig

trail hemlock
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line of questioning has lead me down a 3 hour path

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but

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i dont wanna leave

heady ember
trail hemlock
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so ive devcided to forget abt sat practice and just do rudin a little bit longer

heady ember
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Mfw proving one theorem becomes a whole problem set sotrue sotrue sotrue

trail hemlock
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yeah

heady ember
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It's fun though

trail hemlock
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rabbit hole of l-hop

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and i tried a bnunch of bullshit with neighborhoods

molten mason
trail hemlock
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which lead nowhere

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😭

heady ember
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I like reading books this way. Its way more fun to me than just reading it and being like "oh ok."

trail hemlock
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"yep... that sounds about right"

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dude i tried to prove a random theorem yesterday in a way differnt to rudin

loud cradle
trail hemlock
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like completnle diff

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it was really fun

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but challenging

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:(

molten mason
trail hemlock
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yeah

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im in america so i gotta do sat

maiden glen
trail hemlock
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16

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im old :(

heady ember
# heady ember Yeah

For instance, I couldn't prove that all perfect subsets of reals were incomplete. But then I proved Baire's catking theorem and used that result to prove it

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pretty nice

maiden glen
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perhaps recognition?

trail hemlock
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nah

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all these newgens

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8th and 9th grade

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learning more stuff than ive ever learned and ever will learn

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cough arti cough

maiden glen
trail hemlock
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14

maiden glen
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i assume you mean the fox person

trail hemlock
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no

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their @ is springonion smth

molten mason
maiden glen
molten mason
trail hemlock
molten mason
heady ember
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I wanted to write

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uncountable

trail hemlock
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yea cuz

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i remember making a joke abt

heady ember
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idk how I made that typo lmfao

trail hemlock
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"you are perfect just like subsets of R"

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whoopsie daisy

heady ember
trail hemlock
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lmfao

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idk my questions just arent interesting enough for me to answer

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maybe im not creative enough for ts

maiden glen
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not very impressive

molten mason
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I'm like twice y'all age, not doing grad-level math

trail hemlock
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bro is ancient

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gramps

maiden glen
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obviously impression isn't what he's seeking

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i assume

trail hemlock
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?

maiden glen
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i said "not very impressive"

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it was unnecessary

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that may not be a quality he's pursuing

trail hemlock
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i mean ok?

maiden glen
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it's a regurgitated review

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you can find something like that everywhere in this channel

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an apparent trend is that: assuming the user exhibiting the review has been a member for at least a year, you are likely to have established some sense of ignorance in passion

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within that time you will have seen a review not very different than your own of the present day

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now assuming the user is new to the material

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you become optimistic when you see some promising looking guy with a promising looking role throwing out reviews

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so you read it with this initial optimism and it eventually evolves into a perhaps faulty conception of "semi-original" understanding

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then you regurgitate the review about 5 months later because you're comfortable with your newfound conception

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my point is

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they are overrated herein

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now I could use a good and long number theory book for self study

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im feeling theoretical.

molten mason
# maiden glen my point is

What exactly do you mean from that entire paragraph you wrote?

The reviews in this channel aren't adequate? Or are you concerned that people are giving reviews without knowing the material first-hand? Or something else?

molten mason
gray gazelle
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I gotta say, I have an envy for people above my level. But I don't think achievement score (which level of math you are doing) transfers directly to aptitude. People lie to you or mostly to themselves when they say they are doing blah blah blah. They don't know if they are good at blah blah blah, they are just doing blah blah blah for the sake of doing it. If they got into a real college, they will doing everything anew with guidance. So doing blah blah blah doesn't mean a lot. To conclude, don't compare. You're the BEST!!!

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That being said, lots of kids claiming to be doing grad level stuffs, might not be able to solve grad problems at a grad ability

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I knew a guy who's 13 and claiming to be doing QM. I only got to find out how he's lying to me a year later. Now I blocked him.

trail hemlock
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doing? i prefer "struggling through"

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like rudin, his fucked up sense of humor, and whatever the FUCK he was doing whne he wrote his proof of l-hospital

gray gazelle
trail hemlock
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but my pookie wookie precious math stack exchange

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(the apple of my eye)

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hath saved me

gray gazelle
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Almost

trail hemlock
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in excruciating detail

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like this is amazing

gray gazelle
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Indeed

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Amazing

trail hemlock
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anwyay

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back to regular book-recs

gray gazelle
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I am using Zorich analysis and baby Rudin together. I am only using baby Rudin because it got lebesgue measure which I'll need for Papa Rudin.

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Like Zorich is fr a canonical mathematical analysis textbook!!

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Hoffman Kunze also!!!

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for Linear Algebra!

trail hemlock
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im using baby rudin, and the uc davis companion notes

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when rudin stops making sense, i look at the notes proof

gray gazelle
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I see, baby rudin has a complete solution guide, you know that?

trail hemlock
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yeah ill bet

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it was published in 1953 (1st edition) so i hope theres a soln guide

trail hemlock
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oh cool

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used for 13 dollars, not bad

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usually when i need help with a hw, ill just ask a friend in uni

gray gazelle
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Nice that you have friend in uni, I don't

trail hemlock
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well theres mathcord

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mathcord is your collective friend in uni sotrue

gray gazelle
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Well yeah lolol

trail hemlock
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oh wow this same dude wrote a soln guide for all of rudin's books

gray gazelle
trail hemlock
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yo thats illegal

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big corporations have feelings too

gray gazelle
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I am in a we call Greyzone Country

trail hemlock
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oh ic

gray gazelle
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China

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Lol

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Anyways

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Let's get back to legal stuffs

trail hemlock
vital bane
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okay BlackBeard

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I'm sick and tired of this D&F slander

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watch your back.

trail hemlock
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you could say that now i am your nemesis 😭

molten mason
trail hemlock
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good luck

vital bane
trail hemlock
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i read the text on the gif too

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smh

vital bane
vital bane
trail hemlock
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lmfao

trail hemlock
trail hemlock
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yeah fr

remote sparrow
proven lantern
gray gazelle
trail hemlock
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in a year

gray gazelle
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in November 7

fresh skiff
# gray gazelle Nice that you have friend in uni, I don't

I have friends but none can help with math stuff lol
Even not teachers (we don't have pure maths teachers bleak , and TAs used to watch YouTube videos before lecture and then they improperly deliver the lecture (if someone asks question, they say use Google lol) -- Except ODEs I can't remember which other subject we studied correctly

molten gulch
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Hey chat. We've recently considered rebuilding our arithmetic foundations a bit and so were wondering if anyone has any problem sets or even a light book discussing the complex numbers and the complex plane. Many books on complex variables and analysis that we have also cover the material in an introductory section but we'd like a little bit more than a chapter discussing the properties. We know overall they're quite simple but at times we struggle actually doing calculations with them.

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(No khan academy or such, we'd just prefer having a book so that we can review it when we're offline too or can just put the PDF into our book folder)

maiden glen
gray gazelle
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why would you talk when you study?

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bruh

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for sure sometimes you get out of the zone and come back

maiden glen
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how do I know if I truly like mathematics and just hadn't tricked myself into liking it

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like yinuo said

stray veldt
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whats the difference

maiden glen
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respectively

stray veldt
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but in practice

maiden glen
# stray veldt but in practice

how should I know if I truly like the practice and not just like it initially because it makes me feel better about myself

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how do I know im not liking it for the wrong reasons

stray veldt
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you probably just dont

maiden glen
stray veldt
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dont know

gray gazelle
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Any (HS) algebra or trigonometry books? Finished Basic Mathematics, already.

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Prefer and appreciate rigor.

scarlet saffron
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Hello, is there any book that could recommend to me to learn about functions of bounded variation in several variables?

gray gazelle
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Thank you!

molten mason
gray gazelle
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Well, do you have any other algebra books in mind, in general?

molten mason
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Nope. They're all the same IMO

You get a lot more algebra practice in Calculus. I would recommend just moving up to Calculus at this point.

woeful rock
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The Spivak's Calculus and Bartle's Introduction to Real Analysis are at the same level of complexity?
And if want to study a more rigorous Calculus, which one I should choose?

woeful rock
remote sparrow
trail hemlock
tribal crow
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a bold assumption you make there

normal crystal
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methamatics

scarlet saffron
gray gazelle
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I believe Rapidoso recommended to me... lol.

woeful rock
gray gazelle
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Anyone have recommendations number theory? Currently struggling to get the grasp on number theory. I passed my class with a B but there are some holes in my knowledge

molten gulch
gray gazelle
gray gazelle
gray gazelle
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or any famous physicist

molten mason
remote sparrow
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one of which was his cousin!

gray gazelle
molten mason
drowsy nacelle
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any recs for variational calculus?

remote sparrow
proven lantern
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Either way its kind of liking it. You are yourself, you can't trick yourself, Right?

verbal furnace
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What would you recommend for ring theory, was going through T.Y. Lam A first course in noncommutative rings, but it feels like I am missing a lot of prerequisite knowledge on modules and ideals

stoic sentinel
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what do ppl know abt linear algebra topics for a second course by shapiro

verbal furnace
spice stag
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Can you tell me some questions resource for highschool level calculus which progressively toughens the questions ?

remote sparrow
daring lake
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Yes, I can also suggest that

spice stag
fleet veldt
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what're the go-to book for linear algebra, real and complex analysis, partial differential eq, and harmonic analysis?

grand gulch
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some combination of these

molten mason
fleet veldt
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also is harmonic analysis a niche subject? i don't see it discussed much

fleet veldt
cursive orbit
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depends what you mean by on great detail

fleet veldt
cursive orbit
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Taylor deals with ODE in his pde book in chapter 1 in sufficient detail

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but if you are undergraduate level you should not be using Taylor as ur PDEs book

fleet veldt
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I'm a first year and we skipped a lot of content so i want to understand what we didnt learn

vital bane
fleet veldt
vital bane
cursive orbit
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for like a standard graduate course, only thing I needed was like existence and uniqueness and smooth dependence

vital bane
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I see, yea PDEs seems way different

vital bane
fleet veldt
molten mason
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Like my uni uses an in-house for ODE, Strauss for undergrad PDE, and Evans for grad PDE.

vital bane
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I wanna find time to do Strauss

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it seems like an interesting book

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and useful for physics people

fleet veldt
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i want time in general lol, im just writing these books for myself and hopefully someday i'll have time to review them

fleet veldt
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im procrastinating learning for an upcoming test that i just don't see myself passing, i hate it when that "anti-motivation" vibe settles

molten mason
short urchin
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This has been asked 143894389^3 times but guys

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Is it possible to self-study stewart's calculus book?

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Or is it written for classroom settings

ruby lodge
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Howdy math people! I want to learn multivariable/vector calculus rigorously, but without learning abstract differential geometry (i'm first year undergrad, i've got a solid understanding of basic real analysis, by which i mean like all of Abbott, the first 4 chapters of munkress topology, and some basic linear and abstract algebra algebra). I can't seem to find a book, i either find very simple and computational multivariable calculus books or stuff that is too advanced

grand gulch
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khan academy

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spivak calculus

ruby lodge
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I can find some theorems and proofs here and there, but for some topics it's really hard to find a rigorous construction or proof (e.g. divergence theorem of greens theorem)

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Khan academy is not rigorous enough, it's just intutition and computations

grand gulch
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sorry i cant read

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spivak covers vector calc i think

ruby lodge
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I think you're talking about Spivak's calculus on manifolds, because i read the calculus book and it stops at series of functions

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I'm gonna give it a try

cursive orbit
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for vector calculus, you can certainly prove the main theorems without learning differential topology, but honestly it's not really worth reading an entire book for that, you can probably find the proofs somehwere online

short urchin
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Hello guys please answer my question too :/

short urchin
# cursive orbit yes

Really? Book looks like it has very brief explainations and is written for a classroom setting

cursive orbit
short urchin
gray gazelle
cursive orbit
gray gazelle
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just try

cursive orbit
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^

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there's very few books that are less concise than stewart's book

molten mason
short urchin
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I have a hard time believing this, but I will give it an honest try and report back to you guys

short urchin
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Can I use apostol instead of stewart? or is apostol more like analysis

short urchin
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O.o

molten mason
# short urchin I have a hard time believing this, but I will give it an honest try and report b...

Quizlet Plus has a walk through of every problem in the textbook, both even and odd. Pay the $8 USD a month for it or just use random emails for the free trial.

There's a million Calculus lectures on YouTube and there's Paul's Online Notes. It's not bad.

When I took Calculus in University we used stewart all 3 semesters and I did the class online, our instructors didn't give us any lecture they basically told us to watch YouTube and gave us assigned problems and skipped a lot of sections in the text. So we all pretty much did it directed self-study

short urchin
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You're a great help Sal!

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I am more interested in pure math, but my primary goal is to get into university and pass the entrance exams which requires calculus, I am not sure if it's better to use Stewart or apostol, the problems look like this:

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cant embed image :')

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plz let me send one image 😭

molten mason
short urchin
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I want to know which book is more in line with the problems of the entrance exam

molten mason
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Like Stewart does have a lot of proofs in it

short urchin
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Oh

molten mason
remote sparrow
short urchin
molten mason
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I would say for you, just stick with Stewart for now. You can supplement with Apostol later

short urchin
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Which stewart book is it? he has so many versions and early transcendentals

cursive orbit
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in practice the version doesn't matter

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because basically all that happens between versions is exercises get reordered, and the pages get reformatted slightly

short urchin
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lol

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edition doesnt matter either?

cursive orbit
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yeah that's what i meant

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like the difference between the n and n + 1 edition is that problem 6.11 is now 6.12

short urchin
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Ahh okay, I meant versions as well he has two versions Calculus and Calculus: Early Transcendentals

molten mason
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Early transcendental, any edition

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The most recent editions are on Quizlet Plus

acoustic turret
#

I am going into grade 12 and will be taking advanced functions as well as calculus and vectors. I loveself teaching myself and thought it would be a good idea do learn on my own a bit to prepare for my final highschool year. Is there any good textbook anyone reccomends for this. I know khan academy has good stuff but I generally prefer books. Something that I could read and then do any excercises it says. Thanks.

short urchin
molten mason
acoustic turret
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ty

short urchin
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huuh

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it has solutions

molten mason
short urchin
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Oh I had to press show steps 🤦

slender wasp
#

How does chegg compare to quizlet?

molten mason
# slender wasp How does chegg compare to quizlet?

Quizlet feels more like an official textbook solutions guide. Select your textbook, select chapter, select question number: follow walkthrough and solution.

Chegg felt more like quora, open questions, multiple possible answers, some are wrong. Great for randomly generated homework questiond though like from WebAssign

marsh ingot
#

Some book to start with differential algebras?

drowsy nacelle
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any recs for generating functions

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ik about wilf so i guess other than that

gray gazelle
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Hi, I’m looking for a book recommendation, I’d like to study Categories (Category Theory Categories) of simple graphs (I think they form the category “SimpGrh”). Is there a book dedicated to this? If not, are there any books that go into some level of depth of this Category?

trail hemlock
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bro someone answer dude has been asking for a while 😭😭

gray gazelle
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Oh, this channel wasn’t listed, I had to search, thanks.

rain hound
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It’s also just a really good graph theory book period.

rain hound
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Oh another word I can share is Quiver. Feel free to look up any formulation of graph theory using the word quiver. It realizes a general multidigraph as a certain functor from the free quiver. Graph homomorphisms then are exactly natural transformations between these functors.

gray gazelle
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Okey, is that similar to a sheef?

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Oh, nvm

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Okay, yes, also, does the HOTT book have any graph references that anyone know about?

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Also, yes, a quiver, great suggestion.

thin needle
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Recommend some books on probability

marsh ingot
sacred nova
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Do you guys think that Tao's Analysis II book is good for Analysis in R^n? or at least for its basics?

spark jay
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Best books for calculus

signal mountain
sudden sparrow
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hey anyone know a good book for amc 8 or amc 10 test preparation

foggy quest
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It covers similar material to other similar books on this topic

sacred nova
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okok, ty L!

rain hound
# thin needle Recommend some books on probability

Probability theory by Rozanov is good. I also recommend Axler’s Measures Integration Real Analysis to learn measure theory (and it’s a good exercise to rephrase everything from Rozanov in terms of this).

After that feel free to go wherever you like, there’s a lot of possible directions for probability.

rain hound
sacred nova
untold pecan
rain hound
# spark jay Best books for calculus

Calculus made easy by Silvanus thompson for basic calculus (freely available online). For the rest I like to just use a math methods book. The multivariable calculus and vector calculus chapters of Mathematical Tools for Physics by James Nearing is really good. You can also check out David Tong’s lecture notes on vector calculus.

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Both are freely available online if you just search for them

spark jay
gray gazelle
open gorge
primal mica
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i am trying to get good at Real analysis and related proofs, is there a book you guys would recommend to me, to get a touch of what these proofs are like and get better?

molten gulch
primal mica
molten gulch
primal mica
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yes

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i am proficient in calculus

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and differential equations

primal mica
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and i did some complex analysis too

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i havent learned entirety of calc iii but i understand it so far

molten gulch
# primal mica and differential equations

Okay, then if you want to do real analysis specifically, pick up a book on proofs like Velleman's How to Prove It or Hammack's Book of Proof (Hammack's book is free) (if your proof skills aren't very good) and then pick up something like Abbott's Understanding Analysis for basic RA

primal mica
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alright

molten gulch
# primal mica alright

Beyond that you can then go through the problems in a book like Rudin's Principles of Mathematical Analysis and well...from then there's a few paths you can take but focus on the basics first

primal mica
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alright

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thanks

remote sparrow
molten gulch
#

Blitzstein and Hwang

molten gulch
upper iron
#

Hey friends, I am starting to be fascinated by Mathematics.
Aside from that I will soon be starting college as an industrial engineering major.
What books would you recommend me based on the above?
(Mathematics, Physics and Accounting)

normal crystal
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your major probably has most of that locked up for the next two years, have you looked at what they use

willow merlin
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Easiest topology book

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I need handholding im new

upper iron
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I would like books that help me to prepare myself and see a little above those topics to be aware and defend myself (and stand out from the others xd).

glad lodge
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Alright I’m curious if anyone could help recommend to me a list of books that could take someone from beginner all the way into math professor level smart.

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Opened to being @‘d since I’m not on discord much.

molten mason
molten mason
# upper iron Chemistry: general and organic Mathematical analysis: Integral and differential ...

General answers for these textbooks you can use the search feature in the top right.

So you would type into the search bar in:#book-recommendations physics and you will see prior discussion and answers from prior people who have asked the question. I would do the same for chemistry and Ochem.

Calculus is discussed multiple times a day here, tons of answers. Common authors are Stewart, Thomas, Anton, Spivak, Apostol, and Kitchen.

Linear Algebra, check the pinned messages in the channel.

upper iron
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Thanks for the information and advice

upper compass
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Any algebra book recommendations

marsh ingot
marsh ingot
heady ember
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But otherwise, Rudin can be pretty good.

trail hemlock
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i like pugh

glacial crypt
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rudin is excellent if you are looking to refresh your knowledge

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i personally find it quite good for that purpose actually

molten gulch
heady ember
zinc thistle
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someone answer this dude 😭

remote sparrow
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@mossy flume

mossy flume
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I do not know ramsey theory 😭

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sorry

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I know the statement of Ramsey's theorem and that's it lol

normal crystal
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he needs to think outside the box
to get his texts recommendations

hallow oriole
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gasarch, kruskal, and parrish have a nice purely combinatorial exposition of ramsey theory called "Van der Waerden’s Theorem: Variants and
'Applications'" although unfortunately it's unfinished and according to an email i sent gasarch a while ago it will remain so (still good, the completed portions are published on the umd.edu website for free)

graham, spencer, rothschild and landman, robertson have two elementary books as well. they're quite easy as books go, not terrible.

another really really interesting book is the mathematical coloring book by soifer, one of the most unique math books i've ever read.

tribal crow
#

valley lisayay

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I was gonna ping you for this actually cat_happycry

hallow oriole
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there's also an intro to ramsey theory: fast functions, infinity, metamathematics by katz and reimann, it's also decent

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hiiiiiiii

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ramsey theory at higher levels is more specialized and usually there will be dedicated books on the subject

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if you just wanted an intro you could probably make do with any combinatorics book like stanley or bona or something

trail hemlock
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bro FNALLY got his answer

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after eons of waiting

tribal crow
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valley is a true legend catking

sturdy gust
# upper compass Any algebra book recommendations

I think the best one I know is
I. N. Herstein, Topics in Algebra (1975)

A shorter, easier one is
I. N. Herstein, Abstract Algebra (1986)

They have a lot of amazing exercises which i really loved. But i guess its a bit subjective.

livid lintel
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Don’t post that, that’s against the rules

sturdy gust
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alright, deleted the message

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thanks

main hill
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Hello there 🙂 Does someboy have a valid z-library link? There's a few scam-sites I would love to avoid but after formatting my computer I don't want to risk stepping on a mine

main hill
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Thank You very much! Really appreciate it! 😉

gray gazelle
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anyone have any interesting maths novels suggestions

tired glen
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Pls anyone suggest any book bye which i can do practice for jee main and advanced and syllabus should be aligned with jee main and advanced syllabus

gray gazelle
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Is there a way to find a list of unsolved math proofs, in graph theory, organized by difficulty? I don’t know how to judge the difficulty, since so many are categorized as NP-hard.

stray veldt
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this question doesnt really make much sense

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NP-hard problems are decision problems and well, finite

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they are all solvable, maybe just not very fast

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and if you are asking about open problems (that actually would require proof), then who is supposed to order them by difficulty?

gray gazelle
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hey I'm looking for recommendation for textbooks/websites that cover complex numbers, set theory and functions at a first-year/second-year university level that have problem questions too. if anyone can recommend me anything, would greatly appreciate it :)

lusty escarp
dim snow
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Does anyone have any good Putnam recommendations other than Putnam and Beyond? I really want as many books as possible for a wide variety of problems

covert bane
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does anyone have a good introduction to sheaves (in particular for working with grothendieck topoi)? I'm working through Sheaves in Geometry and Logic, and I'm finding it very useful, but other additional material would be good.

stoic hamlet
covert bane
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I don't know enough about them to know what you can really do with them (I basically only know the definition from sheaves in geometry and logic), but they seem to come up in a lot of places, so I'd like to learn more about other general uses since they seem to be important -- I'm really looking for something very introductory

stoic hamlet
# covert bane I don't know enough about them to know what you can really do with them (I basic...

I am not sure you'll find anything super introductory since the basics tend to only be developed by people who are using them for a particular advanced application.

I use sheaves and topoi a lot to do arithmetic geometry, but I never really studied topoi abstractly in as much as I use regularly a small number of topoi to do work. The 'bible' there is maybe something like SGA4, but I think almost everyone gets by with much less. I personally learned most of the topos theory I know from Tamme's book on etale cohomology; Akhil Mathew taught me a few additional facts as I needed them that he learned from SGA4, though.

solemn rover
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If you know French, there is a book by Godement which is very beautiful, called "Topologie Algebrique et Theorie des Faisceaux".
I did not know French when I started this book but I learned as I went

remote sparrow
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FYI there are books geared to academically-oriented people that teach you how to read french for academic purposes

covert bane
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I have a french-speaking analysis friend I'll bother for help 😭

trail hemlock
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what are the prereqs to spivak's diff geo?

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oh wiat someone alr told me nvm

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🤦‍♂️

fresh skiff
trail hemlock
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I'd say Munkres Analysis on Manifolds is the basic pre-requisite
moonbears told me on a diff server

fresh skiff
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Oh got it. Thank you BlackBeard.

glacial crypt
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spivaks com

trail hemlock
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i like munkres analysis on manifolds so far

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CoM prob best with a class but im self studying

tribal crow
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oh.

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I see, I mistook you saying "Spivak's DG" for "Spivak's CoM"

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my bad

trail hemlock
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higher why are you green

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how does one become "helpful"

tribal crow
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??

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you already know the answer

trail hemlock
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!

trail hemlock
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so pretty

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wait