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stoic pythonBOT
brisk fractal
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well A specifically is just T, with domain Im(S)

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which is why this proof works

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T and S respectively bring the fundamental subspaces to the subspaces of TS

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(which makes me wonder if there is a categorical way of defining matrix multiplication based on fundamental subspaces of compositions of linear maps)

nocturne jewel
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wait how do you get dim(Im(TS)) <= dim(Im(S)) from this?

brisk fractal
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null(T) term is positive, so rank(TS) <= rank(S)

nocturne jewel
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yeah but A and T are the same, so shouldn't it be dim(Im(S)) = dim(ker(T)) + dim(Im(T))?

brisk fractal
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where did you get that relation from?

nocturne jewel
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dimension formula?

brisk fractal
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okay so here's the problem

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you're thinking of T and S still as their original linear maps

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but when we consider their restrictions, the formulas change

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$T \mid_{\Im(S)} \neq T$

stoic pythonBOT
brisk fractal
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and similarly, while $\dim V = \mathrm{null} T + \rank T$

stoic pythonBOT
brisk fractal
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$\rank (S) = \rank (TS) + \mathrm{null}(T \mid_{\Im(S)}$)

stoic pythonBOT
brisk fractal
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$T \mid_{\Im(S)} : \Im(S) \to \Im(TS)$

stoic pythonBOT
brisk fractal
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$T : V \to W$

stoic pythonBOT
brisk fractal
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does that make sense?

nocturne jewel
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Im just gonna google for an answer, cause idk

acoustic path
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I wanna use 2x2 matrices to show they dont commute but axler hasnt gone through matrices yet. is there another way to prove this?

wintry steppe
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matrices represent linear maps with respect to some basis, so you could choose a basis of V (note finite-dimensionality is assumed), pick linear maps that look like the matrices you have in mind, and then show that those don't commute

acoustic path
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yea but he hasnt gone through matrices tho

wintry steppe
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right, but with this solution you're not explicitly working with matrices

acoustic path
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so just pick 2 linearly independent vectors for the basis of V

wintry steppe
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well V could have higher dimension

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so be careful

acoustic path
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true. but hes just asking that there exists a case

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so even one example could be a proof

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or do i gotta work with dim V=n

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to prove for all cases

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ah ok

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ok i got it. ty

fallow jolt
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Can someone explain the last line?

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I think they skipped some intermediate steps, so I'm a bit confused how they got it

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I_n is an nxn identity matrix

wintry steppe
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what's r(matrix)?

fallow jolt
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rank

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@wintry steppe

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Oh is because rank(I_n) = n, then rank(AB) = rank(AB) obviously

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so its just added?

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Ok, so then why is this true?

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<@&286206848099549185>

wintry steppe
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Hmm

dusky epoch
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ac + bd = 0 and c^2+d^2=1, if you wanna go that route

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@stoic jungle

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or you could just note by observation that $-b\ket{0} + a \ket{1}$ works

stoic pythonBOT
dusky epoch
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that won't work unless |a| = |b|

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the inner product of your state with |v> is a^2 - b^2 but you want it to be 0

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you want your state to have your norm do you not

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uh

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unit* norm

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autocorrect is drunk

fallow jolt
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What elementary row/col operation could be done to do this?

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I_n is an nxn identity matrix, A is an mxn, and B is an nxp

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Obviously you can switch the two columns, but I'm not sure how to get rid of the negative

dusky epoch
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multiply column by -1

fallow jolt
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Ohp

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I forgot you can multiply a column by a scalar

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oops

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thank you

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LOL

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As a followup, why does this work?

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Where r is rank

fallow jolt
dusky epoch
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so that big block matrix is m+n by n+p

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hmm

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trying to think of a way to show this without too much index fuckery...

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col(A) has a basis consisting of r(A) columns, and ditto for B

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the corresponding cols in the big block matrix ought to be LI

dusky epoch
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linearly independent.

fallow jolt
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Hm I don’t think you can assume that

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If it helps, the original big block matrix was [[I_n 0], [0 AB]]

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So it’d only be linearly independent if AB is

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Which we don’t know

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@dusky epoch

dusky epoch
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uh

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mind showing the original problem

fallow jolt
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I did part a

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But I'm stuck on proving the first in equality of part b

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I know that rank(AB) + n = rank([[I_n 0], [0 AB]]) = rank([[B I_n], [0 A]])

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So I assume you now need to show rank([[I_n 0], [0 AB]]) >= rank(A) + rank(B)

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but idk how

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@dusky epoch

dusky epoch
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huh

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wait

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is it even possible to transform [I, 0; 0, AB] into [B, I; 0, A]??

fallow jolt
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Yes it is

dusky epoch
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i don't see it

fallow jolt
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I proved it already

dusky epoch
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also i'm gonna be busy for the next hour or so

fallow jolt
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Rip

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Can <@&286206848099549185> help me out?

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I guess I'm not sure why this is true

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Where r is rank

pallid rampart
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You can apply row reduction to A so that it has r(A) linearly independent rows right?

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That's the definition of r(A)

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Similarly you can apply row reduction on r(B)

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Now given these two sets of row reductions, you can apply them on the matrix on the left hand side

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This is not a complete solution but a hint to how you can prove this

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@fallow jolt

fallow jolt
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How are you able to reorder AABB into BAAB?

native rampart
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Property of tr

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tr(AB)=tr(BA)

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tr((AAB)B)=tr(B(AAB))

fallow jolt
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thanks!

pallid pumice
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Hey everyone, This is a question I asked yesterday and I clarified with the professor that its not a typo and that its supposed to be like that. So since there are only infinitely many solutions. How would I solve for h and k.

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I have hx2 + 6x3 = k - 4 with x3 = t but I am confused on where to go after that

tame mural
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Try to work with the matrix equation

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[1 0; 0 0] [x, y] = [2, 3]

tame mural
pallid pumice
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x would be 2 but wouldnt there be no solution for y that results in 3

tame mural
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Yeah

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But you can also imagine there are some problems you can perfectly solve

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For example, if you were trying to reach [2, 0]

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Then you'd have no problems

pallid pumice
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yeah i understand that

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but im just confused that since theres a free variable couldnt h and k be anything?

tame mural
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[1 0; 0 h] [x, y] = [3, k]

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This is how I interpret your problem

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If you want unique solution

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Then you know the RREF of your matrix should be identity

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So you just have to have a choice of h which is good

pallid pumice
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there is no unique solution

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its only infinitely many solutions

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im just confused why. shouldnt there be a value for h or k where it doesnt work

tame mural
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Have you ever found the basis for a nullspace?

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It's a very similar problem

pallid pumice
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nope

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week 2 of class lol

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very early on

tame mural
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IMO, if you watch a video on calculating the basis for a nullspace, you will probably have your doubts fixed for dealing with dependent and independent variables

pallid pumice
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cool. ill look into some videos. thanks

wintry steppe
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the book says 23 is not in reduced row echelon form but isnt it?

reef sleet
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it isnt

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that's just row echelon

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reduced row echelon is when every nonzero entry has zeroes in all rows above and below it (I don't think that's formally correct but I think it's simple enough to understand)

wintry steppe
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Oh ty

reef sleet
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oh wait

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yeah that's still not rref

little citrus
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Can anyone give me pointers for part 2

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Like I am confused why they have given numbers to find eigenvalues

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can soneone please explain

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anyone?

candid cosmos
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im assuming some of the eigenvalues have roots of 2 or 8 in them which you need an actual value for

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@little citrus

west shoal
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I have a question

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Though I'm confused how b is a linear combination

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I ended up with x^3 as the free variable, and x1 = 2 - 5^3, x^2 = 3 - 4x^3

candid cosmos
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i dont think you should be getting any powers of x in your solutions, do you mean subscripts by "^"?

west shoal
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the x's are the c's

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I just changed them to that

candid cosmos
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x1,x2,x3

west shoal
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they are the constants

candid cosmos
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is what you mean by x^1,x^2,x^3?

west shoal
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yes

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I meant x_1, x_2, and x_3

stoic pythonBOT
candid cosmos
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so you can write down an augumented matrix for this problem, did you do that?

west shoal
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yes and that's what i ended up with

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i just converted the matrix to a system of equations

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after i made it reduced echelon form

candid cosmos
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if that system has a solution then it is a linear combonation of them, since it is possible to make the vector b by adding up scaled versions of vectors a1,a2,a3

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you said you had a free variable that gave a solution right?

west shoal
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yeah the free variable was x_3

candid cosmos
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so take any solution you want after picking the free variable(probably choose x_3 = 1) and double check in the original equation whether that vector sum is equal to b, if it is then you can say b is a linear combonation of the 3 a vectors

west shoal
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wait a free variable is equal to 1?

candid cosmos
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you can choose it to be anything

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thats why its called free

west shoal
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really i never knew that

gray dust
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usually we solve a system to find how b is a linear combo of the a_i's, but it can be done by inspection here

candid cosmos
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so if the augemented matrix has a solution or infinite solutions(free variable) you can say that the vector is a linear combination

west shoal
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yeah i looked at it and just did the math across the vectors

gray dust
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note b=a3-a2-3a1

gray dust
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so indeed b is a linear combo of the a_i's

candid cosmos
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because there is a way to add those three vectors up to get b

west shoal
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thanks

candid cosmos
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no problem

rose umbra
limber sierra
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i'm assuming your operation is associative but not commutative

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you cant just juxtapose the B_2 and the I arbitrarily

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you are able to go from (B_1A)B_2 to IB_2

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and hence B_2

rose umbra
limber sierra
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right

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so $B_1AB_2 = B_1(AB_2) = B_1 I$

stoic pythonBOT
limber sierra
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how do you get from that to $B_2 I$?

stoic pythonBOT
limber sierra
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wait

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hold on

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maybe im misreading your handwriting

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is that supposed to be a B_2?

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then the proof is invalid from the first step

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oh wait

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never mind

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sorry i was misreading your handwriting entirely

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thought the 2s were 1s

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my bad!

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in that case the argument seems fine

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apologies

rose umbra
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ah lol alright sry for the handwrite was writing with mouse

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thanks anyway

tame mural
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I heard that a linear form / functional V × F → F either maps to 0 or is surjective. Is that true? Or only in finite-dimensional case?

wintry steppe
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hint: any field is a one-dimensional vector space over itself. what can you say about the rank of a linear map going into a field, then?

tame mural
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it must be dimension 1

wintry steppe
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that's not the only case

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what are the possible dimensions of a subspace of a 1-dimensional vector space?

tame mural
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ah { 0 } is 0 dimensional?

wintry steppe
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yeah

tame mural
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-_-a

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but u do have a basis

wintry steppe
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the basis of {0} is defined to have zero elements (it's the empty set)

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we basically do that so we can say dim{0} = 0 lol

tame mural
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I see @_@

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lol thx

wintry steppe
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and from that you have either 0 (the rank is zero) or surjective (the rank is 1)

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the only subspaces of a field are the trivial one and the whole thing, after all

wintry steppe
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Span(thing) = smallest subspace containing (thing)

shy mango
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not sure exactly where this goes, but we're talking about univ properties of VS in linear algebra

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supposedly the curvy arrow means inclusion map

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can someone explain this in english (instead of weird math diagrams)

limber sierra
shy mango
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?

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LOL what

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uhhh I guess my question is, what's the point of the inclusion map?

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aren't T and f very similar maps?

limber sierra
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what's B here?

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a basis?

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a subspace of V?

shy mango
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ah sorry about that

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so

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B is a basis of V

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T is a map,

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V is subspace

limber sierra
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okay so the idea is that rather than regarding f as a map from one space's basis to another space, we can construct a map T: V -> W that "acts like" f on B

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the notion of an inclusion map captures this

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also the map T is unique for a given f

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thats important

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bleh

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got it backwards

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fixed

shy mango
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ah, what exactly is the point of that? like we can make some map T:V->W that acts on the basis vectors, which is a finite set

limber sierra
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f can often be hard to explicitly describe if we only know what it does to a basis

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this is saying we can describe f in terms of a linear transformation

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which we call T

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and there are many ways to describe linear transformations

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e.g. matrices

shy mango
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gotcha, why do we use the basis as the set of vectors?

limber sierra
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also this "description" of f is unique

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that is

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there's only one linear map T that "captures" f's behaviour on a given basis

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in other words: to figure out what a map does V -> W

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it suffices to look at what it does to the basis of V

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since each function from a basis of V to W has a unique corresponding linear transformation T

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so if you know what T does to a basis of V

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since it's unique

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you know what T does to all of V

limber sierra
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this is kinda like, the whole point of a basis?

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like

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the ability to describe linear transformations just by looking at a basis

shy mango
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okay right

limber sierra
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in many ways you can view a basis as the "least possible amount of information" you'll ever need about a vector space

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(ignoring additional structure like inner products or w/e)

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and this should make sense: we know a basis can be used to recover the space itself

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by taking lin combinations

shy mango
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right

limber sierra
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and it's "least" since it's the smallest such set

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this is just a way of saaying "this basis-oriented perspective still works for maps from subspaces to the whole space"

shy mango
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I think you said f is the map from one space's basis to another, can you clarify that a bit more

limber sierra
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in other words, we can also study subspaces from their basis

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like okay

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lets say W = R^3

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and we're considering the subspace of vectors of the form $\begin{pmatrix}a\b\0\end{pmatrix}$ for $a, b \in \bR$

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idk where texit is 😦

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vectors of the form (a b 0) for a, b real numbers

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now lets say you have a function that you know maps (2 2 0) to (1 1 1), and (2 1 0) to (0 0 1)

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as it turns out, {(2 2 0), (2 1 0)} is a basis of the subspace of vectors (a b 0)

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so from that small piece of information

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you know there can only be one linear function

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that maps (2 2 0) to (1 1 1), and (2 1 0) to (0 0 1)

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from this subspace to the whole space R^3

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and you can actually work out what this linear function must be by solving a system of equations

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now its rare that youll have situations "naturally" where you're just randomly given 2 vectors

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but there ARE situations where you cant quite figure out the ENTIRE function

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but you can plug in some test values

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and kidna figure out whats going on

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so if you plug in a "basis" to test

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you can recover the linear function from that!

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(this is the idea behind linear interpolation in statistics)

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(and, well, most of machine learning tbh)

shy mango
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intriguing

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uh

shy mango
limber sierra
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like

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if S = the set of vectors of the form (a b 0)

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for a, b real numbers

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then that's a map S -> R^3

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and we can study that map entirely by looking at what it does to the basis

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in this case, to (2 2 0) and (2 1 0)

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but any basis would work

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again this is just a way of formalizing that "studying subspaces is really the same thing as just studying their bases"

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this might seem kinda "well, duh" for finite dimensional spaces

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but its much less obvious for infinite dimensional ones

shy mango
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so f is the (2,1,0)-> (1,1,0) and the other relation that you wrote
and T would be the actual linear equations you can use to get these things?

limber sierra
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uh not quite

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f(2, 1, 0) = (0, 0, 1) and f(2, 2, 0) = (1, 1, 1)

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and i claim that just knowing this is enough

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to construct a unique function T: S -> R^3

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[whyd you delete the message, it was good 😦 ]

shy mango
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^^

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i was trying to read it

lost dragon
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@shy mango

Here is what it's saying in english.
Our intuition stems from the categorical notion of naturality.

Suppose you have some vector spaces V, W.
Now in the categorical intuition, you know nothing about what the vector spaces are--
know nothing of what elements they contain.
Merely you know that they are vector spaces (structurally).
For example, in this way you know V and W must have identities,
and since their must exist a unique such element, you can call the identity a natural vector.
||(naturality arises as witnesses to existentially unique statements about abritrary objects of the category.
This is an intensional view of category theory.)||

Now supposing you are given B, the set of basis vectors of V.
Obviously B is just seen as a set. Not as a vector space.
The inclusion map inc from B to V, just assigns each element in B to iteslf.
This inclusion map is itself natural. After all you need no knowledge of any of the elements of B to specify inc.

Supposing you are also given a map f from B to W.
This is purely a set theoretic map. It is not a linear map.

Now don't you agree there must exist a unique linear map T from V to W, st. the diagram commutes?
After all a linear map is defined by the transformations of the basis elements.
To know how a linear map evaluates the basis, is to know how it evaluates any vector.

Therefore T could be said to be natural .

shy mango
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tyty lemme decipher it

shy mango
limber sierra
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right

shy mango
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wait

limber sierra
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S in my example is all vectors of the form (a, b, 0)

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B = {(2, 1, 0), (2, 2, 0)} is a basis for S

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(if you dont believe me, verify it yourself)

shy mango
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i believe you lol

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ok

limber sierra
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so we can write any vector in S as a linear combination of (2, 1, 0) and (2, 2, 0)

shy mango
limber sierra
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i'm saying if we have a function f such that f(2, 1, 0) = (0, 0, 1) and f(2, 2, 0) = (1, 1, 1)

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then there is a unique linear function T from S to R^3

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that "agrees with" f

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in other words, if we have a linear map T: S -> R^3

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and we know T(2, 1, 0) = (0, 0, 1) and T(2, 2, 0) = (1, 1, 1)

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we know everything about the map

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we can determine what it does to any element of S

shy mango
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oh right, and the important criteria is that we know f(v) for every v in the basis right?

limber sierra
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right

shy mango
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oh okay that clarifies what the point of that is hm
finally, the inclusion map is just to make the basis vector be treated as an element of V instead of B right?

limber sierra
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basically yeah

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since T needs to be a map S -> R^3

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whereas f is a map B -> R^3

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when we say a "diagram commutes", we mean if you take any element from the "start"

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and follow a path of arrows

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your element will end up "the same" at the "end" of the arrows

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so if v is an element of your basis B

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then f(v) and T(inc(v)) will be the same

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but ofc T(inv(v)) is just T(v)

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except now v is considered an element of V instead of B.

shy mango
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right

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okay that's pretty interesting, thanks!

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had no idea what was going on from the notes lol

shy mango
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thanks for typing all that out

lost dragon
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@shy mango no problem. sorry for interuptting.

restive wraith
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I have no clue how to go about this problem, does anyone have any ideas?

wintry steppe
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well what's "the linear combination idea of ex 414 and 415?"

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to write v as a linear combination of the eigenvectors of A?

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you should probably try finding those

steady fiber
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eigenbasis time

wintry steppe
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that's always how you solve the "find this absurdly high power of matrix" problems

steady fiber
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there's also the write A as PDP^{-1} where D is a diagonal matrix way of working with "absurdly high power of matrix" questions

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which is just eigen stuff again

wintry steppe
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same thing

steady fiber
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but a slightly different process

faint lintel
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Suppose we have a vector space V and a subspace of V called W. for any vector v in V, is v + W = {v + w | w in W} a subspace of V?

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my answer is no because suppose v is not in W

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then -v isn't in W

restive wraith
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ive looked at those i fail to see how they are relevant

faint lintel
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so then v + W doesn't have a zero element

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but something feels off

restive wraith
frosty vapor
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what if v is in W already

steady fiber
faint lintel
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oh

faint lintel
frosty vapor
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alright

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yeah that makes sense

faint lintel
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well v != 0 if v isn't in W

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cause 0 is in W

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so if v isn't in W then v can't be 0

steady fiber
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but ya, it's not true in general

faint lintel
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ok dope ty

wintry steppe
steady fiber
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imagine if someone wrote like a script that generated latex code for doing the 2021 power by actual multiplications

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and they hand in a many thousand page long document

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actually, it isn't that bad to do

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would "only" take like 11 matrix multiplications to do manually

quartz compass
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well if you're gonna write a script to do that, might as well make it do one at a time for the memes lol

pure tangle
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will rref and ref result in the same solutions?

limber sierra
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if done properly, yes

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row operations dont affect solution sets

pure tangle
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thanks so much just wanted to double check

pseudo thicket
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Is this how you do it>

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Given vector a:

array([  9.97566234, 130.67172705,  16.45635726])

x1 = np.array([0.846,1.324,1.150,3.037,3.984])

x2 = np.array([1,2,3,4,5])



yplane = a[0] + x1.dot(a[1]) + x2.dot(a[2]
)


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The result of yplane:

[136.98030068 215.89774347 209.61722022 472.65112643 612.8536092 ]
hybrid elk
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there's an explanation at the bottom of what's being done, but when i follow that I don't end up with the answer. Is there something else I need to do to get to the correct answer?

dusky epoch
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what answer do you get when you follow the explanation?

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surely not the zero matrix as written there

hybrid elk
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oh i havent attempted this one, i did the example right before and messed up so i just clicked to see the answer on this and see what i should be doing

dusky epoch
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...

hybrid elk
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but then i just followed the explanation but i didnt get the right answer

dusky epoch
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can i see the problem you attempted, its explanation, and what you get when you follow that

hybrid elk
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ok im gonna need a minute to try another one because i cant pull up a previous problem

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ill send it in a bit when i try

dusky epoch
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ok

hybrid elk
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oh my gosh im so stupid nvm

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i didnt notice the last line of the explanation that you apply it to the identity matrix

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thats why i was so confused

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i got it thanks for reaching out tho

main kite
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I’m in my second week of Lin algebra (proof heavy) & at struggling with the math syntax. Anyone recommend any good resources or tips on how to show proofs?

dusky epoch
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how to prove it, by velleman.

main kite
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Thank you!

west shoal
marble lance
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Do you understand what the span is? @west shoal

west shoal
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yeah, the span is the set of linear combinations of v_1 and v_2

marble lance
#

Okay, so you need to list five elements of the span, i.e. five linear combinations @west shoal

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A linear combination looks like a1v1 + a2v2. By the weights, they mean the scalars a1 and a2

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So they want you to show it as a linear combination and then simplify it to show its coordinates

west shoal
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i see

west shoal
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so i can use anything for the weights

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like 5v_1 + 2v_2

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it doesn't matter?

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and then i just do that again 5 times with different scalar values?

marble lance
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@west shoal yep

west shoal
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Alright thanks

west shoal
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I don't think a is asking if b is a linear combination of the span (a_1, a_2, a_3) because b is a linear combination

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i'm not sure what to do

wintry steppe
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lmao that's a troll question

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you're right, it's not asking if b is in the span

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it's asking if it's in the set of columns opencry

steady fiber
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"how many vectors are in {a_1, a_2, a_3}"

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thonk

west shoal
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oh obv not lmao

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i feel dumb 🤣

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thanks

dusky epoch
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nice question

pallid rampart
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This is a very difficult question

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You have to prove 1 is not 0 and 0 is not 3 etc

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Which requires advanced techniques from peano axioms which only a handful of people on this world knows

reef sleet
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is my professor's key wrong or am I calculating the determinant wrong??

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I keep getting -14

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he got 14??

limber sierra
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-14 is correct.

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presumably it's a typo

reef sleet
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pain 😔

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so every time I see LA I see determinant, I don't even really know how to calculate it (just visually when finding cross product) or what it is

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what does the determinant say about a system?

limber sierra
#

okay this is kinda a rabbit hole

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the very informal explanation i like to give is that the determinant is a way of describing "multiplicative information" about a matrix

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what do i mean by this? well, we know det(AB) = det(A)det(B)

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so the determinant behaves "nicely" with matrix multiplication

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but from this behaviour we can extrapolate some things

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for example (here i'm gonna assume we're working in a real vector space)

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the determinant will always be a real number, right?

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which is obviosuly "easier" to work with than matrices in many ways

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one of these is that we know that almost all real numbers are invertible

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that is to say, it's possible to "divide" by almost ANY real number

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the ONLY exception is 0

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and so from the formula det(AB) = det(A)det(B) we can extrapolate that

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if a matrix's determinant is 0, then it is NOT possible to "divide by" it

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that is to say, it doesnt have an inverse matrix

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whereas if it is 0, then it IS possible to "divide by" it

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so it WILL have an inverse matrix

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hence a matrix has determinant 0 iff it is noninvertible

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this is just one immediate connection, there's a whole bunch of similar connections

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but they all stem from this idea of the determinant "encoding multiplicative information"

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now, as for how the determinant does this? the honest answer is that it's a bit of a pain

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the whole reason we use the determinant instead of looking at matrices themselves is because matrix multiplication is a bit gnarly

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its well-behaved but its hard to "look at" a matrix and figure out what it'll do

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when you multiply by it

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without breaking out the pen and paper and doing it yourself

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it stands to reason, then, that the determinant ought to also be kinda "weird" to compute

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since it's hard to tell how a matrix will behave multiplicatively, and the determinant tells us how a matrix behaves multiplicatively

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we are lucky in that there's an explicit formula for the determinant

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but the formula might seem pulled "out of the aether"

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you can prove that it has all the desired properties, if you want

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in fact, the determinant is the ONLY multilinear operator with the desired properties

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ie det(identity matrix) = 1 and det(AB) = det(A)det(B)

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this can also be proven

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but im not sure the proof gives great intuition for the computational side

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the honest answer is that i wouldnt think too hard about "why" the determinant is the way it is

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in terms of how you compute it

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just know that its something you can compute to capture the multiplicative behaviour of a given matrix

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as for what it says about a SYSTEM, well

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applying matrix multiplication is just substituting in systems to each other

tame mural
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it feels like a very elegant metaphor is just within reach for the determinant's properties

limber sierra
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so... yeah

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theres your connection

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it says how systems "interact"

native rampart
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That det is the only multilinear map which takes rows of a matrix as inputs such that det(AB)=det(A)det(B)

quartz compass
#

there are more properties than that

native rampart
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nvm,So Nami meant unique alternating multilinear map?

limber sierra
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i mean what i said

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oh

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never mind

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i didnt say alternating

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i dont mean what i said

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i mean what you said

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but you can phraes it alternatively

native rampart
limber sierra
#

since thats actually a stronger condition than necessary

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"unique nontrivial multilinear map with det(I) = 1 and det(AB) = det(A)det(B)" suffices

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where here "nontrivial" means "image is all of R"

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(otherwise you could just let it be x |-> 1, or x |-> +-1)

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it may be a good exercise to try proving this

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but its hard

willow patio
#

hello i'm a wannabe economist hoping to understand linear algebra

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is this a good place to ask questions? a sample is:

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why might we be interested in finding a new basis given a previously determined spanning set of linearly independent vectors? why might we be interested in using the gram-schmidt process? (i think these are the same question, just asked in different way)

steady fiber
#

because problems can often be much cleaner to deal with in different bases

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there's sometimes special bases like an eigenbasis which are incredibly useful for a wide range of problems

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and yes, this is a place to ask questions on linear algebra

willow patio
#

i guess a very simple example would be transferring from a basis of orthogonal vectors that are linearly independent in R^3 to your standard i, j, k? but i imagine i'd be going the other way mostly

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thank you, probably will be mostly clear as i progress

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but that's a good answer for me for now

steady fiber
#

just as a somewhat tangential problem, we could theoretically do all high school physics by only thinking in the 3D space we live in

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but most high school physics problems simply can be framed as a 1D problem

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along one axis

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what if you come across a problem where you don't have such a clean one axis to work along

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just rotate yourself around and work with a new basis

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so that your problem is trivial in 2 of the dimensions, and so it's reduced to a 1D problem

willow patio
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ok got it

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is that why this immediately follows the section on colspace/rowspace/nullspace? because my understanding of the uses of that are that, as economists we use matrices to both store data and store systems of equations, depending on the problem and model,

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but maybe i'm getting ahead of myself

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but the use that seems most apparent from my limited understanding is explaining how many free and how many constrained variables you have in a system of equations

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i should probably read ahead and get back to you lol, else i'll probably have you explaining all of linear algebra to me

tame mural
#

I would say Linear Algebra is the lingua franca of technical multi-disciplinary communication

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It has many applications, of course, but if you're trying to get into grad school for econ, you'll be expected to take up to at least Analysis to be competitive

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Many algorithms or procedures you learn will be pedagogical

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Or seemingly inwardly focused

reef sleet
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@limber sierra
What does it mean for a matrix to be invertible? For a number to be invertible, does that mean you can divide (why is it in quotes) by any other real number? Or, for negative numbers, add a real number to it? What does it mean for a matrix to be invertible? How do you divide by a matrix?? Or multiply by one?!
Is multilinearity similar to bilinearity?

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if that was too much just ignore it LOL I'm sure I'll learn it all eventually

limber sierra
#

oh you arent familiar with "invertible"?

reef sleet
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No sir

limber sierra
#

weird that you'd be introduced to determinants before invertibility

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my bad then

tame mural
#

A matrix is invertible if you can undo the transformation.

willow patio
#

yeah meow, i wish i had taken it in college, i majored in econ/international relations at a compeetitive school and did very well in econometrics but never learned linear algebra/real analysis in a classroom setting

limber sierra
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a matrix $A$ is invertible iff there exists a matrix $B$ with $AB = BA = I$

stoic pythonBOT
limber sierra
#

where I denotes the identity matrix

reef sleet
#

I only know about it/how to calculate it (and only in a 3x3 matrix) because of cross product shenanigans

limber sierra
#

(ie the matrix with 1s on the diagonal, 0s everywhere else)

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we call B the "inverse" of A

willow patio
#

you should check out my textbook, it has an entire section of conditions equivalent to saying a matrix is invertible

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thank you meow and poros

reef sleet
#

So a matrix is invertible if A * B = B * A? So matrix multiplication is not always commutative (that's what it means if we can switch the terms around and get the same result right?)?

limber sierra
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AB = BA = I

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thats the important bit

reef sleet
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Oops yeah was about to edit

limber sierra
#

the fact that we have a matrix B that makes AB equal to the identity

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matrix multiplication is not always commutative, but if AB = I, then BA = I as well

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assuming A is square

reef sleet
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Interesting

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Square as in size nxn?

limber sierra
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yes.

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"invertible" doesnt make sense for nonsquare matrices

reef sleet
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Because you can't have an identity matrix then

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Yes?

limber sierra
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well

willow patio
#

and it is different than the transpose (which sounds obvious, but if you are new, it is a very important distinction)

limber sierra
#

if A is not square, then AB and BA will necessarily produce different matrices

reef sleet
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I am new 😛

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Wow how does matrix multiplication work?

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This is the coolest thing ever LOL

tame mural
#

3B1B may be a good place to get intuition

reef sleet
#

Yesss I will begin watching his LA series once I get deeper into it

tame mural
#

He is good almost right away as you begin your textbook

willow patio
#

i am reading Differential Equations and Linear Algebra, and the first chapters are just on matrices or vectors, and it is a relatively cheap/free book depending on where you get it

reef sleet
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Oh, cool, okay

willow patio
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i should check out that

reef sleet
#

I haven't started DE yet

willow patio
#

yeah, if you do ch2 (matrices) ch3 (determinants) ch4 (vector spaces) that is all about matrices and their invertability and their properties

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thats just the book my school used, where i got a syllabus from to teach myself, but there are others too

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by goode and annin

tame mural
#

Any textbook will address these topics because they are very fundamental

willow patio
#

yeah

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hence why i, who cares about economics, am very interested in understanding them

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now i just need to shell out an insane amount of money to get credit so i can actually be competitive in phd applications...

tame mural
#

Also I think an injective linear function is left-invertible

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And a surjective linear function is right-invertible

willow patio
#

that, uh, sounds terrifying

wintry steppe
#

it's literally just the definition of injective and surjective functions opencry

limber sierra
#

no it isnt sully

wintry steppe
limber sierra
#

tterra epic does not imply surjective

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look at the category of rings

wintry steppe
limber sierra
#

er

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oops

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surjective does not imply epic*

willow patio
#

stop you're scaring me wtf

wintry steppe
tame mural
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And I believe in a finite-dimensional case for V → V, injective = surjective = bijective

limber sierra
#

wait no

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i was right the first time

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wtf am i drunk

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sorry

wintry steppe
limber sierra
#

epic does not imply surjective and the category of rings is a counterexample

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im just a dumbass

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my bad

wintry steppe
#

it's okay nami petTheCat

limber sierra
#

every surjection is an epimorphism however

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as long as your category has a separating terminal object

wintry steppe
limber sierra
#

but tterra my point is that this isnt the definition

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😠

wintry steppe
limber sierra
#

since it falls apart if you try and do it outside an LA context

wintry steppe
#

it's fine if we're doing LA though petTheCat

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this is a vacuum

reef sleet
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I've had to use calc for a LA problem once ;^)

limber sierra
#

but i mean

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tterra

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if youre gonna tell people that left and right invertible are equivalent to inj/surj

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theyll start thinking that injective and surjective are the same thing for maps R^n -> R^n

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which they are if your function is linear

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but many LA courses ask questions like

wintry steppe
#

i understand your point and you are correct

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but

tame mural
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ah yes, but we specified that context

wintry steppe
#

im going to pointlessly defend myself anyways

limber sierra
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"Determine if the following transformations are (i) linear (ii) injective (iii) surjective"

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or whatever

willow patio
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in the context of least squares

lavish jewel
#

what are these X, beta, and y?

willow patio
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X is the nxk matrix of independent observations, beta is the kx1 vector of the fitted coefficients, and y is the nx1 vector of observed outcomes

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that's how they do it in econometrics

lavish jewel
#

seems about right

#

well

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beta would be x_0

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yeah

willow patio
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yeah, thats what im thinking

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i just wanted to check because i was confused

lavish jewel
#

idk why i read x before, but yes, that'S right

willow patio
#

,tex what would $ \vec{x} $ be? is that just a placeholder vector for undetermined values of$ \vec{x_{0}} $?

stoic pythonBOT
lavish jewel
#

how much linear algebra do you know?

willow patio
#

basic matrices, vectors, inner product spaces, change of bases, determinants, and whatever econometrics means

lavish jewel
#

aight

#

well, in general your matrix A will not be invertible

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this means it has a null space

willow patio
#

yeah because it's n x k, so you have to multiply it by transpose to make it a square?

willow patio
lavish jewel
#

yep, but the result of doing this is a projection onto the row space

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there is a part of the vector x that is forever lost to the null space

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x = x_0 + x_null

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the null part, you can't get back

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the x_0 part is what least squares gives you

willow patio
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got it, that makes everything make much more sense

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thank you

lavish jewel
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aight, no prob

grand imp
#

oh wait I should share the full context

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So I'm trying to prove part c. here

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the answer to b. is that the change of basis matrix $\tilde{C}$ is given by replacing all the $c_{i, j}$s with blocks $\begin{bmatrix}\Re(c_{i, j}) & -\Im(c_{i, j})\ \Im(c_{i, j}) & \Re(c_{i, j})\end{bmatrix}$

stoic pythonBOT
grand imp
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however, it's unclear to me how to show generally that $\det \tilde{C} = |\det C|^2$, even though this was definitely true for $n=1$ and $n=2$ (n=2 was already quite tedious and didn't feel enlightening)

stoic pythonBOT
grand imp
#

it seems like maybe I should try induction? but idk how I would set that up

jaunty sage
#

can anybody tell me what exactly i am to do use in the b part? gaussian or gauss jordan elimination( i have already calculated the inverse using gauss jordan and rank by making it in ref)

nocturne jewel
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Notice the linear system is equivalent to Ax = [-2,1,6]^T

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@jaunty sage

jaunty sage
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yes

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i get that

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so am I to use Gaussian elimination or gauss Jordan for this questions @nocturne jewel

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those are the only 2 methods I am allowed to use btw

nocturne jewel
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What's $A^{-1}A$?

stoic pythonBOT
jaunty sage
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identity matrix

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I

nocturne jewel
#

yes

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$Ax = b \to A^{-1}Ax = A^{-1}b$

stoic pythonBOT
jaunty sage
#

ah I see

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so the answer would be augmented matrix of a inverse with b(-2,1,6)?

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@nocturne jewel

nocturne jewel
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yes, $x=A^{-1}b$

stoic pythonBOT
jaunty sage
#

ah so I need to solve using that

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and then I will get the answers for the variables yes?

nocturne jewel
#

yes

jaunty sage
#

thanks a lot mate

#

one more final thing

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is ir better to use Gaussian or gauss Jordan here?

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@nocturne jewel

nocturne jewel
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neither, you're suppose to compute A^-1 b

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"using part a..."

jaunty sage
#

Ahhhh

#

i will try it

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now

nocturne jewel
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(technically you can use gauss jordan, but it's quicker to use inverse matrix)

jaunty sage
#

oh okay I already have it so after I augment it

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or do I do matrix multiplication of a inverse and b?

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@nocturne jewel that is what you mean yes?

nocturne jewel
#

matrix multiply inverse by b

jaunty sage
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OH OKAY well that clarifies it

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completely

nocturne jewel
#

yeah you get a column vector = the x column vector

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so the entries of A inverse * b = x entries

jaunty sage
#

Bro you are a legend thanks a lot

hoary osprey
#

Erin drip

reef sleet
#

So the solution obviously isn't 1/2 * distance between AB and whatnot

#

I have ot use vectors to solve this somehow but I'm not sure how?

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Dot product could give me the angle between vectors but I don't think that tells me anything about the area

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I don't know what cross product owuld do here

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(like its purpose)

wintry steppe
#

so does the n in R^n denote the number of entries in a vector?

#

yes

#

thanks

#

i don't understand point b

#

does point b imply that there is a vector v_k that is a linear combination of the remaining vectors in S?

limber sierra
#

not necessarily

#

"subset" doesnt mean "proper subset"

wintry steppe
#

how can a subset of S still be a basis for H

limber sierra
#

its possible the "subset" is S itself

wintry steppe
#

oh

#

i see

limber sierra
#

think of "subset" like a ≤

#

rather than like a <

wintry steppe
#

ok

#

if they meant proper subset, would statement b be false?

#

oh wait

#

i get it now

limber sierra
#

it would be false, yes

#

in that case

#

the reason we need a subset is that S might not be linearly independent

#

thats why we need to consider a subset of S

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that way, if its NOT linearly independent, we can "delete vectors" from it until it is

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and the resulting set will be a subset

nocturne jewel
limber sierra
#

but if it is linear independent, then it's already a basis

#

so we're good

#

no modification needed

reef sleet
#

Uhhh no sir/ma'am, but someone gave me a hint and I think I figured out how to solve it?

#

apparently if you extend dimensions to 3 (with z = 0) you can use cross product to make a parallelogram then take half its area

nocturne jewel
#

$A = \frac{1}{2}||\vec{a} \cross \vec{b}||$

stoic pythonBOT
nocturne jewel
#

since magnitude of a x b = |a||b|sin(theta)

tame mural
#

oh huh?

reef sleet
#

that 1/2 a cross b is the trig formula?

tame mural
#

that looks so similar to the outer product

reef sleet
#

what trigonometry is there?

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OH

#

Wait a second

#

I see it now

#

wow interesting

nocturne jewel
#

$||\vec{a} \cross \vec{b}|| = ||\vec{a}|| \cdot ||\vec{b}|| \sin{\theta}$

stoic pythonBOT
digital bough
#

Hmm, neat

jaunty sage
#

can anybody explain as to what i do

#

im confused

limber sierra
#

are you unfamiliar with the definition of linear independence?

#

if so, review that.

jaunty sage
#

i am

#

but

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my concern

#

is

jaunty sage
#

i dont know how to solve it in terms of matrix

#

i dont understand free variables

#

and how to know which variable to use as the free variable

sleek spruce
#

so

#

i don't understand why identity matrix is unit matrix

#

Let T be a transformation

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T(I) only yields two coordinates

#

how is the identity matrix a unit matrix if identity matrix only has two coordinates while a unit matrix

#

has 4 coordinates

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(0,0) (0,1) (1,1) (1,0)

lavish jewel
#

@sleek spruce the number of entries in the matrix has nothing to do with it

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and anyway, the identity matrix also has 4 entries

#

$\begin{bmatrix}
1 & 0 \
0 & 1
\end{bmatrix}$

stoic pythonBOT
hollow finch
#

Can all Hermitian matrices be written as S+iQ where S and Q are real symmetric and skew symmetric matrices respectively?

dusky epoch
#

yes? just take the real and imaginary parts of your matrix thonk

tame mural
#

w h a t i s t h e m a t r i x ?

dusky epoch
#

w h y a r e y o u w r i t i n g w i t h s p a c e s b e t w e e n e a c h l e t t e r l i k e t h i s ?

hollow finch
#

Just checking. It seems obvious but I've been wrong about things I thought were cut and dry before

zealous junco
#

i want to revise the main thms of lin alg

#

but hoffman kunze book is 2 dense for exam revision, any recommendation for like the main compiled thms

#

it's not lin alg exam, but an exam with some lin alg in it

#

cuz i forgot pretty much everythingwew

sleek spruce
#

anybody know where to understand linear algebra

#

cause the book im reading is confusing me

#

all the weird notations, fancy languages, and phrasing is totally confusing me

marble lance
#

If the notation is standard and you just don't like it, you'll just have to get used to it

#

What book are you reading?

sleek spruce
#

Linear Algebra Fifth Edition
David C. Lay, Steven R. Lay, and Judi J. McDonald

#

it's so out of place that even doing simple things like dot product

#

confuses me

#

because the book jumps randomly

#

and introduces concepts then say we're going into them later

#

might get another book

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since this is digital

digital bough
#

Sounds like the book is speedrunning

zealous junco
#

speaking of speedrun anyone have a good source to speedrun LA review

west shoal
#

what does it mean to say R^4?

#

Does that state that the vector has 4 dimensions?

native rampart
#

It means R x R x R x R

dusky epoch
#

R^4 is 4-dimensional euclidean space yes

west shoal
#

Thanks and one more thing

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If I say b spans {a1, a2} that means that I'm stating that b is a linear combo of a1 and a2 correct?

marble lance
#

No

west shoal
#

Oh...

marble lance
#

You should b is in span{a1, a2}

west shoal
#

Oh I see

marble lance
#

You say a set spans a vector space if the span of the set equals the whole space

zealous junco
#

for LU decomposition, is the fastest way to do it to record all permutation and lower trangulars..

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during gaussian

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if dong by hand

orchid harbor
#

Does anyone knows a very good book to learn linear algebra from zero?

#

I mean with Calculus 1,2 background

pseudo cobalt
#

also

#

for $\hat{i}$ and $\hat{j}$, should I replace the point with a hat, our put the hat on top of the point? Because I've seen it done both ways.

stoic pythonBOT
tame mural
#

Linear Algebra Done Right is one possibility

native rampart
#

Insel is good,I think

orchid harbor
#

hmmm

#

Like i need conpletely from zero i only know what are vectors and matrix

#

like very simple things

#

gaussian el etc

tame mural
#

Many linear algebra textbooks are "foundational" ish

#

They are many students first/second course with foundational flavor

orchid harbor
#

Lemme actually show u what i need to study

tame mural
#

Gilbert Strang's Linear Algebra textbook + course is also famous

#

So there will be plenty of surrounding material if you ever get blocked

#

Any basic textbook will never miss this

#

Most first Linear Algebra texts are very foundational

#

They are mostly self-contained

orchid harbor
#

ok @tame mural

#

Thanks man

floral oasis
#

I'm trying to nail down my intuition - a defective matrix (linearly dependent eigenvectors/mapped to lower dim eigenspace) is equivalent to a matrix being singular/non-invertible right?

wintry sphinx
#

no

floral oasis
#

oh?

wintry sphinx
#

there are singular matrices that are diagonalizable

#

and the reverse doesn't hold either

floral oasis
#

time to do more reading

#

so then a linearly dependent column space is not equivalent to linearly dependent eigenspace/eigenvectors?

#

I thought if A is a linear transform to say an N dim vector space, the eigenspace is also within that vector space, so they're essentially the same space no?*

wintry steppe
#

does this set still span R^3?

zealous junco
#

A:V->W, dimV = n, dimW = n, then A's eigenspace is a subspace of V

wintry steppe
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if though there is a zero vector there

zealous junco
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not necessarily in W

floral oasis
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then yes

zealous junco
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though if we let V = W = R^n then yes that's the case they are all subspaces of R^n, but eigenspace is not equal column space

wintry steppe
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@floral oasis ?

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why would it be R^4

floral oasis
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isn't it obvious it spans R^3?

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am I missing the point x_x

wintry steppe
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you said R^4

frozen compass
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Can someone help me find the x values for this matrice? (this is linear algebra)

wintry steppe
floral oasis
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aaa

zealous junco
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do forward substitution for L(Ux) = b, then you find the vector equal Ux, so Ux = a, then do backward substitution

frozen compass
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ok, I can try that. thank you

wintry steppe
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@zealous junco help?

zealous junco
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i'm not sure lol, does this say the column space span R^3

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if it's refer to clumn space then yea

floral oasis
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I'll do a bit more searching through math stackexchange

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I also might not really understand the definitions which is tripping me up

wintry steppe
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no problems

west shoal
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Not sure how to answer the question since there are two values

I ended up with x_1 = b_1 - x_2
0 = 3b_1 + b_2

uncut fjord
west shoal
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im not sure what ur asking

uncut fjord
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so you got the equation 0 = 3b_1 + b_2, what happens to this equation when lets say, the b_1 = 1 and b_2 = 4?

west shoal
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it equals 7

uncut fjord
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which is not 0 therefore the equation breaks, right?

west shoal
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correct

uncut fjord
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so your equation is basically telling you for what values of b_1 and b_2 does your Ax=b still work

west shoal
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When b_1 and b_2 are 0?

uncut fjord
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3b_1 + b_2 = 0 becomes a constraint to keep the equation "consistent"

west shoal
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I'm confused because if b_1 is 1 and b_2 is -3 it still keeps the equation consistent

uncut fjord
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well if b_1 and b_2 are both 0, then you have a homogeneous equation system

west shoal
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homogeneous? i think that's the next section we go over

uncut fjord
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no problem, the idea is if b_1 and b_2 are both 0, we don't really have an interesting problem because that always has a solution (all zeros), what we care about are when b_1 and b_2 are nonzero

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and you're on the right track, we see that for some values of b_1 and b_2, the equation still makes sense, but for others it doesn't

west shoal
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So when b_1 and b_2 are non zero constants most of the time the equation is inconsistent except for a few outliers

uncut fjord
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yep, so that's your first part, to show that Ax=b doesn't have a solution for all b, only the values that satisfy your equation

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for part 2, you need to interpret what that equation means

west shoal
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oh

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i read the first part wrong

uncut fjord
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what does 3b_1 + b_2 = 0 look like?

west shoal
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i feel like a dumbass

uncut fjord
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sounds like you got it

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so geometrically, what is 3b_1 + b_2 = 0

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or maybe graphically

west shoal
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hmm...

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a diagonal line through the origin?

uncut fjord
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exactly

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it's a line that passes through the origin

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those are all of the values of b that give a solution

west shoal
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oh

uncut fjord
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if you want to look into the problem further, look at the slope of that line and how that relates to the column vectors of A

west shoal
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i thought it would have a solution if it intersected with another line i'd assume

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not just the line b itself

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maybe i'm over thinking this

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brb i'll look at the relation on a graph

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so i guess for the second part i could just say that the set for all b for which Ax=b does have a solution is when the vectors of A lie on the line of b?

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@uncut fjord ?

uncut fjord
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almost, it's the inverse

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b must lie in the column space spanned by the vectors of A

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in your case, the set is all b_1, b_2 in R (or C) s.t. 3b_1+b_2 = 0

west shoal
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The set for all bs... are when b_1 and b_2 lie in the column place spanned by vectors of matrix A?

uncut fjord
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yeah so basically the idea is that the solution x_1 and x_2 in Ax=b are coefficients for a linear combination of the column vectors of A to create b. That's what it means for b to be in the span of the column vectors. If you haven't come across this terminology, then don't worry about it. You can look into it further if you're really interested.

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it's really just another connection/way of looking at the problem, although it's a bit more of a side note to the problem you posted

west shoal
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Basically just saying that the vectors of matrix A have a linear combination that produces the vector (b1,b2)

uncut fjord
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yeah

wintry steppe
ember matrix
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What was that theorem of 2 commutative maps having same eigenbasis?
Was it for Hermitian? Is this theorem "if and only if"

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ping me oWO

gray dust
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@ember matrix 2 self-adjoint (R/C) operators have a common eigenbasis iff they commute

pulsar lily
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if two vectors are linearly independent, they are able to span all of R2, right?

wintry steppe
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yes.

pulsar lily
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but then how would you reach negative numbers with a linear combination? scalars can only be positive, right?

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*if the two vectors were positive

wintry steppe
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the scalars may be negative

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it doesn't make sense to call a vector positive or negative

pulsar lily
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oh okay

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would it make sense to say both values in the vector are positive

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rather than saying the vector is positive

wintry steppe
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sure, it would make sense

pulsar lily
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thanks

zealous junco
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when people say P = {polynomial over R} is vector space

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p in P

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that arbitrary p can be represented by

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p = sum from 0 to n of a_i * (x)^i right

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like each p is finite

native rampart
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Yes

zealous junco
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cool

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thx

zealous junco
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wait so picking any basis for fin dimensional space

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say {a1, ... an}

native rampart
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Defines the vector space

zealous junco
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then the eigenbasis is usually not a subset of {a1, ... an}

native rampart
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May or may not be

zealous junco
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yep ok

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so for instance the d/dx

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is a special case where then eigenbasis is {1}

native rampart
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Yes

zealous junco
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for Pn->Pn

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ok thanks

reef sleet
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What does this second bit mean?

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Does it mean that x1a11 + x2a12 = a12?

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That, for the same x1 & x2, x1a21 + x2a22 = a22?

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And so on?

slender patio
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That would be x1a11 + x2a12 = b1
, x1a21 + x2a22 = b2 instead
But yeah this is the idea

reef sleet
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oh yeah oops haha

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Thank you!

slender patio
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Np ^^

supple berry
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shouldn't it be probability of moving from state i to state j

fallow jolt
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Any idea how I can go about proving this?

stoic pythonBOT
fallow jolt
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For M^1/2 I can use spectral decomposition, but what about M^-1/2?

trail dirge
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Hi can a matrix with all the same elements be diagonlized?