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torn isle
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,w dot product [sin t, 3 sin t, sin²t], [cos t, 3 cos t, 2 sin t cos t]

torn isle
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What if we try in this order?

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I don’t know how to type the ^2 here

alpine sable
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,w int 2 sin³t*cost + 10 sint cos t dt, t = 0..2pi

ocean sealBOT
alpine sable
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LOL

torn isle
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Yea, it’s still 0

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I tried manually😂

alpine sable
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i think the answer is just wrong (?)

torn isle
alpine sable
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it happens

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sage herald
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i am, i dont even know

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alpine sable
sage herald
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okok

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i get it now

alpine sable
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you can also keep some frequently observed trig subs in mind to help you solve questions

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tysm @alpine sable

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rugged karma
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Need help with a lim exercise,
Can't post full picture cause it's not English but I will write all the information given:
Let f: R->R for which the limit when x->2 of (f(x)-1)/(x-2) = 2

Calculate the following lim:

rugged karma
vale wigeon
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,rccw

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rugged karma
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What I have done so far:
Let g(x) = (f(x)-1)/(x-2) then you get that the lim of f(x) when x->2 is 1, finding the area of the abs values we get that the first absolute value is negative near 2 and the second is positive

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The answer is given as -14 (which may be wrong, there are wrong answers in some exercises as it's not an official book) but I keep getting -12

last ether
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Are those 4th, 3rs and 3rd derivatives?

rugged karma
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No they are powers, sorry for not mentioning that

last ether
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Maybe Ann can solve this lol

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I might need paper for this and I'm currently at a dining table waiting for my sister to stop burning cookies

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Which means I'm nowhere near scratch paper nor a pen

rugged karma
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Hahaha okay no worries thanks anyway

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alpine sable
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Hi

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alpine sable
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I need help with triangle

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I know that abc is 120° and ab is 8✓2 I need to find other side

frigid path
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is that all the info you have?

alpine sable
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Ye

crisp pine
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I dont think that is enough information to define a unique triangle

alpine sable
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Wait

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Ok then

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It's like

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I have

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Cons

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Cone

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And I know H

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Wich is 8✓2

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I wanna find base radius

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And only thing I know is this

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We know this

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Its 120° one

crisp pine
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Uhh do you know its area of something?

alpine sable
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No

crisp pine
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Oh wait are you trying to find AC

alpine sable
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No

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I'm tryna find

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Cones base radius

crisp pine
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Im not quite sure what you mean by the cones base radius sorry

alpine sable
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Like

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Idk many mathematical English terms sorry

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Like cones has base as circle right?

crisp pine
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Oh no worries

alpine sable
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So I have to find that circles radius

crisp pine
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Yeah

alpine sable
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Do u get it?

crisp pine
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Its just I can't see the cone you are talking about from the diagram

alpine sable
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Wait

crisp pine
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Ohhh

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Is it a 3D drawing

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Ok yeah I can help then

alpine sable
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H is 8✓2

crisp pine
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Yeah great

alpine sable
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U get it now?

crisp pine
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yes thank you 🙂

alpine sable
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Oki

crisp pine
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ok so in that diagram

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the angle between H and R is 90 right?

alpine sable
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No

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How?

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Between h and l is 120

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Like top

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Or no wait I'm extra confused

crisp pine
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I think the angle between H and L is going to be 60, half of that

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I was talking about H and the radius R

alpine sable
crisp pine
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Well the whole angle at the top of the cone is 120

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And then you are splitting it down the middle with the line H

alpine sable
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Oh oh I get it now

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Ty

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So then what do we do?

crisp pine
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Sure no worries

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So are you happy with the angle between H and R being 90

alpine sable
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Ye

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Lol

crisp pine
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Ok, so its a right angle triangle

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And you have an angle(60), and a side(H)

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Do you know trigonometry

alpine sable
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A bit

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Not that much

crisp pine
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Ok no worries

alpine sable
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But I can learn

crisp pine
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Well if this question has been given by a teacher

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Then I would expect it to be solvable using skills u have learnt

alpine sable
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Nah no teacher involved

crisp pine
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Oh cool okay

alpine sable
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I'm just tryna learn by myself

crisp pine
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Thats awesome

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Well the last part of this Q uses simple trigonometry

alpine sable
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Like 8✓2/sin60° ?

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Wait no

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I'm wrong

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R/sin60°

crisp pine
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You would need to use tan for this one

alpine sable
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Oh tan

crisp pine
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Arent we trying to find R?

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(Idk how much trig u know but khan academy is great for teaching maths to you in general if u are trying to learn yourself)

alpine sable
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Ye ty I'm watching it en

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Rn

crisp pine
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Ok cool

alpine sable
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Just let's finish this

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First ok?

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Imma watch it later

crisp pine
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Ok yeah sure

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well basically R is 8root2 * tan(60)

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It will make more sense why when u watch the vid

alpine sable
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I know trygonometry as in algebra

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So im not too confused

crisp pine
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Ok cool yeah

alpine sable
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Umh I got 3.6

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But the answer is 4

crisp pine
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One sec

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Ok

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You are in radians

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While the angle is degress

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degrees

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either way I didnt get 4

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Ohh wait

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we dont have H, we have L, my bad

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I kind forgot the question

alpine sable
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It's ok

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So H is 8✓2

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And we have to find radius

crisp pine
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Wait

alpine sable
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And as u said angle is 60° between h and L

crisp pine
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isnt L 8 root 2

alpine sable
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No

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Height is 8✓2

crisp pine
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DIdnt u say AB is 8 root 2

alpine sable
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I said AB as in height

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Like ABC triangle

crisp pine
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Ah ok

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then I stick by it being 8 root 2 * tan(6)

alpine sable
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Hm but answer

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Isn't right

crisp pine
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Yeah that is odd, I'm not sure then

alpine sable
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Like sides

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Let's say it's circle

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Ah nah nvm I'm wrong

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It's S formula

frigid path
alpine sable
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Oh hi

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Can u help me?

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He couldnt I think

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<@&286206848099549185>

frigid path
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Yeah, give me a second

alpine sable
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Ok

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I can explain again if u want

whole garden
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And what grade/year material is this so I can possibly help you even more

alpine sable
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And I have to find radius

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Of base circle in cone

whole garden
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so R?

alpine sable
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Ye

alpine sable
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We know this

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And that Height is 8✓w

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2

frigid path
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Hey, uhh what's the answer again?

alpine sable
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8✓2

frigid path
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If you know it

alpine sable
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Answer is 4 but idk how to get it

frigid path
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So yeah, bear with me

whole garden
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Alright so

alpine sable
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Ok

whole garden
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I believe you have to use the pythagorean theorem

alpine sable
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I think so too but idk any other sides

whole garden
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What sides do you have

alpine sable
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I just know one side

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8✓2

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It's height of cone

frigid path
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You have to find the length of the circular arc, that will be the length of the base circle

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Therefore, by having 2 radius, you'll be able to express them by one radius (sorry for my english)

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And then, you'll be able to use the
Pythagorean theorem

alpine sable
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How to find circular arc?

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Lenght

frigid path
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have u ever seen this formula?

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or something similar

alpine sable
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Yes

frigid path
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so yeah, that's what you need

alpine sable
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That's just 2pR/3

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What do I get from this?

frigid path
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yeah, so that is the length of the base circle

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now, we know that the length of the circle is calculated with what formula?

alpine sable
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2πr`2?

frigid path
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well, it's 2πr

alpine sable
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Oh no `2

frigid path
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yeah

alpine sable
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Ok

frigid path
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so yeah, since we know that those expressions are equal

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2πR/3 = 2πr

alpine sable
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Ok

frigid path
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now, you can express either R or r

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bc you need to find the r, you can express the "r"

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and there comes Pythagorean theorem

alpine sable
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I'm confused ngl

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Sorry in little sleepy

frigid path
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okay so

frigid path
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or R = 3r

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R is BC, and r is AC

alpine sable
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Ye ik that

frigid path
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so yeah, and BA is 8✓2

alpine sable
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Do I do Pythagoras now?

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With 8✓2 and 3r?

frigid path
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Well, what do you think?

alpine sable
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I don't think so

frigid path
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Well, don't you know all the sides now?

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I think that you can go with Pythagoras now

alpine sable
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Im mas confused bro how can I get answer 4 with 8✓2 and 3r

frigid path
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well, look

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BC=R, R=3r, so BC=3r

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and AC=r

alpine sable
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Bro I knew that ac is r whole gime

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Cuz it's raidus mate

frigid path
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Mate, what else do u need

alpine sable
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So bc is 3 radius

frigid path
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yeah

alpine sable
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How do I find that radius is 4?

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I have to find radius and in answers it says that it's 4

frigid path
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Well, since we know that ABC is a right triangle

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we can use the Pythagorean theorem

alpine sable
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Ok do it for me and show me pls

frigid path
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it seems like you're tired, but you must do it yourself

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how else are you gonna learn?

alpine sable
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Bro just do it

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I'm still gonna learn

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I'm gonna solve other similar problema

frigid path
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AB=8✓2, BC=3r, AC=r

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you have everything you need

alpine sable
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😭😭😭

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No I don't bro

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Just finish it and then explain

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Pls

frigid path
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do you know Pythagorean theorem?

alpine sable
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Yes

frigid path
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apply it!

alpine sable
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Bro what

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Pythagoras is

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a'2+b'2

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And

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Fucking (8✓2)'2+(3r)'2 does not work

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Can't solve it

frigid path
alpine sable
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=c'2

frigid path
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AB=8✓2, BC=3r, AC=r

frigid path
alpine sable
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What

frigid path
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yes?

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what seems to be the problem here?

alpine sable
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Idk what u mean bro

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Just explain

frigid path
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so this is Pythagorean theorem

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right?

alpine sable
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Yes

frigid path
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so, a=AB=8✓2, c=BC=3r, b=AC=r

alpine sable
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Ye

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If I just do r'2 it still does not work

frigid path
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(8✓2)'2 + r'2 = (3r)'2

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right?

alpine sable
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Yes

frigid path
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and what seems to be the problem now?

alpine sable
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I can solve that

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But

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Answers not gonna be R

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There's gonna be 2 answers even

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Idk why u making me do Pythagoras I told u answer is 4 we can't get 4 like this

frigid path
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solve it, please

frigid path
alpine sable
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By 4 I mean like in root

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Idk how to say in english

frigid path
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are you sure about that?

alpine sable
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Ye

frigid path
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well, that's not the answer

alpine sable
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What

frigid path
alpine sable
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Yes I did

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I'm sure it's right answer

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I checked it on calculator

frigid path
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Are you sure that you're right?

alpine sable
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Bro what

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Wtf

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How

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Where did 128 come from

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What

frigid path
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what is (8✓2)^2?

alpine sable
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Oh my gos

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God

frigid path
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yep

alpine sable
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Ur worst teacher ever tbh

frigid path
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omg thanks "<3"

alpine sable
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There must be some other way to solve this

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What is this

alpine sable
frigid path
alpine sable
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Damn

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Ok thank you anyway

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Good luck

frigid path
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good luck!!

alpine sable
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❤️❤️

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neon hemlock
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is it possible to get the circumference of a circle without using 2πr

dense sleet
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Why do you ask?

gilded quarry
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if you have the radius

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and the area

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you can substitute

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one into the other

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and not have to use pi

dense sleet
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The question seems like you have a problem that asks for circumference but you dont have r so you ask if there is any other way.

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So i suggest if there is a proper problem that you are trying to solve send it instead of asking a part of it

neon hemlock
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no im saying if theres a way to find circumference without pi

dense sleet
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No

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Pi is the ratio of circumference to diameter

neon hemlock
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yeah i know that

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just wanted to know if there was a way to find c without pi

dense sleet
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What is c?

neon hemlock
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circumference, just cba typing it out

weary wyvern
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literally 2πr is the circumference

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do you want another way to write π?

dense sleet
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Where theres a circle theres a pi 🥧

neon hemlock
weary wyvern
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you need to precise about what you want

neon hemlock
dense sleet
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I dont see how there would be

weary wyvern
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circumference = $\ 2r\sqrt{6\cdot \sum_{n=1}^\infty \frac{1}{n^2}}$

ocean sealBOT
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giannis_money

neon hemlock
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what's n

weary wyvern
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just writing pi another way

weary wyvern
neon hemlock
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ohh

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thanks

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bruh moment

neon hemlock
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what

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sure

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For a

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I got 551.25

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I'm not sure if that's right or not

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or what the question means

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on the right

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<@&268886789983436800> underaged ppl

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Help

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alpine sable
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what have you tried?

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@magic plank Has your question been resolved?

magic plank
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<@&286206848099549185>

alpine sable
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have you at least done the base case?

magic plank
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I know no calculus

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But I needed this question to be solved

alpine sable
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you don't need calculus here

magic plank
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i'm asking u for help not to chat with u

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If u know the answer say it, and i would be thankful

alpine sable
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if you wanted a straight up answer, you could have just googled it

magic plank
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<@&286206848099549185>

alpine sable
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i do know the answer. but i would prefer to help you understand the answer rather than just copying down what I type and handing it in

magic plank
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anyways explain to me the question first

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then explain ur answer

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if u have time

lilac carbon
magic plank
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Guys just explain how u solved it

lilac carbon
# magic plank

In which case, may I ask how you came to the problem in the first case?

magic plank
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I'm not an expert in math or anything I don't even care just explain the answer I'm very curious

lilac carbon
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Search up ‘principal of induction’ on brilliant

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Will do a better job explaining than we can

magic plank
magic plank
lilac carbon
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Yes

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It does say in the question ‘use mathematical induction’

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It’s a very important tool

magic plank
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Yes but ... I don't even know what that means, I'm so lazy to know tho

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I'll do it tomorrow

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fathom sequoia
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WHY THE FUCK DID THEY EXCLUSE 27 HERE

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abstract fractal
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Times greater than 24 don't matter, because the time resets after 24 hours. 24 hours after 12pm, you get 12pm again

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So 27 hours later is equivalent to 27 - 24 = 3 hours later, assuming the day doesn't matter

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Ok

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why is desmos giving 0,0 as a point?

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doesn't the restriction x=/=0 carry over when taking f(g(x))

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Yes, but it is a computer software.

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It's treating the functions as algebraic fractions

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so would the correct domain be (-inf,-4)U(-4,0)U(0,inf)?

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So composing

$\frac{5}{\frac{4}{x}+1}=\frac{5}{\frac{4+x}{x}}=\frac{5x}{4+x}\in\mathbb{R}(x)$

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Categorist

lime bobcat
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Treating them as algebraic fractions in R(x)

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But as real functions, the domain is as you say

alpine sable
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so it drops the restriction in R(x)?

lime bobcat
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Yes, but because they're algebraic objetcs in principle, not function expressions

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ah k

lime bobcat
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It's like $\frac{x}{x}=1$ this is true in R(x) but it is false as the quotient of the function f:R→R, f(x)=x with itself

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Categorist

lime bobcat
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x/x is not defined in x=0

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it is an evitable nondefined hole

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k got it

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explain?

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help

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mighty flower
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why cant y in y=mx+b be negative

tacit arch
mighty flower
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-y=mx+b

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why cant we have ot written like this

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Who says you can't

mighty flower
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you can?

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I did a question where the answer was -y=-5

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and that it was y=5

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If the question is "solve for y" then yes you were wrong

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I am still kinda lost

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Solve for y means y on 1 side

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But if the question asked to solve for x that means x on 1 side

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Now if it asks to solve for -y that means -y on 1 side

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mighty flower
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wont that be

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y=-2/3x+5/3

median oar
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That’s the same thing yes

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All of the above equations are all the same thing

mighty flower
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oh so your basicaly simplyfing it more

median oar
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Just with different things as the subject

median oar
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If you’re looking for -y

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Then of course you want -y to be on 1 side

mighty flower
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median oar
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Not for -y

mighty flower
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oh

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so it can be negative

median oar
mighty flower
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wait but is b is also negative than y intercept is positive

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wat

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I needede to know if y in y=mx+b can be negative

median oar
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Yes

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gotcha

median oar
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y ∈ ℝ

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Hello Im just stuck on inputting a given restriction with my answer. Since my notes didnt cover putting the answer using a given restriction

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Try using shift identities

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Or co-function identities

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Try drawing a circle

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alright

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cause i already rounded my answer to the nearest tenth

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Kinda like this

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I don’t have paper on me atm but this one is for sin θ = -1/2

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You can kinda see the angles that would fit in your restrictions

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ohhhh

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i see but how would i know what angles would fit my restrictions?

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cause mainly my answer was Θ=1.8+360

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180 deg < θ < 270 deg means it’s in that bottom left quadrant

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So that’s cos 1/4 + 180 deg

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I'm using the grouping method of factoring and I am having trouble understanding how to interpret these types of demonstrations

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I can do the factoring itself but when they introduce the letters instead of numbers it confuses me

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It's just combining like terms

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Think of the numbers just as a weird symbols like letters

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What is this referring to?

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Are a b and c coefficents

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The general form is $ax^2 + bx + c$

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dldh06

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So you can compare the bottom expression with the general form

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How did they arrive to the conclusion that BC and AD are the two integers they need

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I am trying to learn how to connect mathematical proofs to words

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so I can read the instructions better

median oar
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I can’t tell which way this proof is going lol

sharp moth
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Okay so should I send more

median oar
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Can you send like the full thing

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Because (BC)(AD) = (AC)(BD) is applying the commutative property

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Yes

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I'm understanding that a * c and m * n play a role but I'm not sure exactly what their significance is.

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Their both equal to each other which somehow makes BC and AD the numbers were looking for? I guess I really am confused by what it means to be "looking" for those terms.

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Are the terms that we're looking for in the form of (x -1)

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or are they more like 9x or 10

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@digital shard sorry it isn't letting me message the other channel

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How did you come to the answer you got?

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What's the guess for yp of the function t?

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Question: why is the following incorrect?

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I dont understand why the red answer is incorrect

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When you shift everything in binary, you change the value

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2=0010 to 0100=4

keen girder
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how would i show n+1 then

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Flip bits

keen girder
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but how would you show it abstractly without knowing n

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for some arbitrary n

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would be b0=1 if n is odd and b1=1 if n is even

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Same way as in base ten

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Linearly from b0 to b1 ...

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if I write -1^0.5 it would be -1 right? does exponentiation have higher precedence than unary operators?

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it has a higher precedence than unary minus

flat ore
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alright I see

vale wigeon
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which is essentially the only unary operator that attaches on the left

flat ore
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so if I wanted i, I would have to write (-1)^0.5

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guess so.

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vale wigeon
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why didn't you negate (a-ε, a+ε) ⊆ A?

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Looks like you're missing a "not" somewhere

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Yeah

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Yeah

vale wigeon
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"negation" means logical negation

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nothing to do with swapping plus or minus in this case

molten pivot
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Negation distributes over the entire logical statement:
1: for all a in A
2. ...is a subset of A
not(1 and 2) = not(1) and not(2)
So then the negation of 1 is "there exists some a in A"
And the negation of 2 is "is not a subset of A"

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There's probably a more rigorous way to write that but whatever

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Yeah

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The empty set doesn't have any elements so asserting that it has a subset with elements is nonsense

vale wigeon
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no actually

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the empty set is open

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any statement of the form "for all a ∈ ∅, ___" is true

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it's called vacuous truth

molten pivot
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But are a+e and a-e in A

vale wigeon
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okay so

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let A = ∅

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give me an element of A and i'll give you an epsilon such that (a-ε, a+ε) ⊆ A. @molten pivot

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0 is not a member of the empty set.

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{} is not a member of the empty set.

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yes, exactly.

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so my response is always going to be that the thing you gave me isn't a member of A
and so, despite never giving you any epsilons, i haven't broken my promise

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this is called vacuous truth

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In mathematics and logic, a vacuous truth is a conditional or universal statement (a universal statement that can be converted to a conditional statement) that is true because the antecedent cannot be satisfied. For example, the statement "all cell phones in the room are turned off" will be true when no cell phones are in the room. In this case,...

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not really.

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yes

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which means that the empty set is open

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because (O) is true for it

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as my analysis teacher once said, "Elements of the empty set have every property you could possibly think of. It's just existence that they struggle with."

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yes

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or alternatively if it makes you feel more at peace

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you can demonstrate that the negation, which starts with "there exists a ∈ ∅ such that ...", is false no matter what follows this.

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do you agree that if the negation of a statement is false, then the original statement is true?

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yes but that's the exact opposite of what i asked you to agree/disagree with + you didnt really answer my question

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no

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would prefer not to have to pore through vaguely suicidal gifs

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but no, the a in the first sentence of the problem statement and the a in (O) are not related at all.

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in the first case a is the left endpoint of the interval (a,b). in the second it's an arbitrary point in the set A.

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this is not something to be overthought. i promise.

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no you're overthinking it now

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ok so like let's back up a bit

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do you know what an interval is and do you know how interval notation works

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yes or no

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so no to both

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an interval is the set of all points on the real number line between two specified points called the endpoints

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one distinguishes between open and closed intervals based on whether the endpoints of the interval are included themselves or not.

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closed intervals include both their endpoints while open intervals include neither.

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one may speak also of half-open intervals, which include one endpoint but not the other

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as far as notation goes,

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open intervals are denoted with (round brackets) while closed intervals are denoted with [square brackets]

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(half-open intervals are denoted with a round and a square bracket according to which endpoint is the one included)

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the interval (0, 1) is an open interval, consisting of all points strictly between 0 and 1

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paraphrasing their set-builder notation:

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$(0,1) = {x \in \bR : 0 < x < 1 }$.

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well this is the definition, so

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you wish to show that, for every x in (0,1), one can find epsilon such that (x-ε, x+ε) is fully contained in (0, 1).

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but 0 ∉ (0,1).

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for every x in (0,1)

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0.00000000001 is in (0,1).

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not to mention that this:

0- any real number
will be less than 0
is false as stated (though i do get your point)

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this does not make for a proof

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all you've done is proved that (O) holds when we look at the element 10^-10. (there is a fancier way to say what exactly it is that you proved but i am not interested in taking this detour)

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no we haven't.

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my whole point was that we haven't.

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just picking one specific value of x doesnt do shit

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have you

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ever

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proved

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a

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FORALL

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statement

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before

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right

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well then you should know that, unless the set you're quantifying over is FINITE (which in this case, being an interval, it ISN'T), you CANNOT prove a statement that begins with "for all" by examples alone.

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instead you should take an ARBITRARY x in (0,1) and show that there exists an epsilon (which you are allowed to express IN TERMS OF x) such that (x-ε, x+ε) is contained in (0, 1).

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you are wrong

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i can show you an example of this logic breaking down

molten pivot
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Not to interrupt but if you need another way to look at it you could consider the statement that "there is no minimal element of A"

sly mantle
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.01 is a specific value that x may be

storm tusk
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Read arbitrary as an unspecific value

sly mantle
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arbitrary means x may take any value in (0,1)

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we must show smth true for each such x

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no, .01 is a specific value while x is an arbitrary one

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maybe theres issue in comprehending what (0,1) means?

vale wigeon
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this is like trying to prove that all americans have $1,000,000 in their bank account by pointing at one particular joe smith who does

sly mantle
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(0,1) is not a number

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its the set of reals between 0 & 1, exclusive

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this is how (0,1) is defined

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it includes numbers like 0.1, 0.2, 0.5678, 0.999

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for any value in this set, we must show theres a corresponding epsilon

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showing it for only one value, 0.1, isnt enough

sly mantle
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for any value in this set, we must show theres a corresponding epsilon
maybe it helps to think of “any” as “every”

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these usually have the same meaning

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so ill reword it

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for EVERY value in this set, we must show theres a corresponding epsilon

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not all reals

vale wigeon
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there are as many of them as there are reals, as it happens

sly mantle
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just the ones between 0 & 1

vale wigeon
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not that it matters for us

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it's insane if all you know is proofs by example.

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but the point is

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there's no need for proofs by example

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perhaps we could leave this problem for the time being and look at another problem to help rectify this conceptual gap you have?

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namely, that of proving a "for all" statement that quantifies over an infinite set

sly mantle
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heres another “for all” statement

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you can try proving it or disproving it

vale wigeon
sly mantle
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eh a bit easy

vale wigeon
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i was gonna suggest some parity problem now

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to get our feet wet if anything

sly mantle
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for every integer n there exists an integer m such that m>n

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yes

vale wigeon
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i was talking to rokabe there

sly mantle
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for every integer n there exists an integer m such that m>n
@obsidian kayak is this true? prove it if yes, find a counterexample if no

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i dont follow that reasoning

vale wigeon
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there is a kernel of truth in this word salad.

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so we can always come up with an integer
thats bigger
by adding 1

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given any integer n, the integer n+1 is bigger than n.

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yes, exactly.

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it does not

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not directly

sly mantle
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forgot to say im having breakfast so ann can take over

vale wigeon
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idk if i can continue this

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been getting me exhausted

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...

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are you suicidal right now?

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ARE YOU ABOUT TO COMMIT SUICIDE OR NOT

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ANSWER ME THIS IN FULL SERIOUSNESS. THIS IS A SERIOUS MATTER.

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WHAT DO YOU MEAN, "PERHAPS"

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ARE YOU OR ARE YOU NOT

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is this all a joke on your part?

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you're drunk and high and trying to do math?

sly mantle
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dammit

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if ur joking this is ur last chance to stop

vale wigeon
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🔇 ?

sly mantle
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if ur not then theres not much we can do to help, pls seek professional help any way u can

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and u should not be here

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ok

vale wigeon
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you are being inconsistent and changing your story on the go.

sly mantle
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pls see what i said, get professional help if needed, theres not much we can do

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u did ur best

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Need help with this question

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hello

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still here?

half dagger
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Yo

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ok so

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i have 2 solutions for this

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that has the same result

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wait.. brb battery at 3%

half dagger
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Alright lol

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ok im back

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ok i got no clue

half dagger
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Ok rip

languid bolt
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i think there is 2 tbh

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rests

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and tress

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cuz like... scrambles like
setrs is not a word

half dagger
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Oh i think your misinterpreting the question. It’s actually about perms and combs i should have made that clearer my bad….

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oh ok

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Still technically 2 soln. One where we consider each S to be unique and one where we account for repetition of S

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Yea my thought process is that because it is a six letter word and we have 5 letters to choose to make a word that means the possible outcomes are 2 “s” words and 3 “s” words

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half dagger
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Could you elaborate on the 3C2? I’m not really understanding that part

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half dagger
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Ooooo i understand now

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So we need to find number of ways of selecting 2 letters from those 3 letters, so 3C2

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Alright

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so i got y=-2sin(x-pi)+1 but if it’s right

karmic vortex
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i cant figure out how to get what’s in the parentheses

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karmic vortex
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what part is wrong?

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can i zoom in discord pictures?

karmic vortex
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yes

languid bolt
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nvm ima just download the image

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brb ima just solve it first

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ok

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@languid bolt i got another possible answer

languid bolt
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oh wait i forgot i was supposed to solve this

karmic vortex
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LMFAO

languid bolt
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ok so

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what's your answer?

karmic vortex
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y=3sin(pi/6(x+1))

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??

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is that right? or at least closer?

languid bolt
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closer but no

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ok so

balmy warren
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the 3 is correct

languid bolt
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yes

balmy warren
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inside the sin function is not

languid bolt
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3 correct

karmic vortex
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oh

languid bolt
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ok so

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$$y = A sin (B (x - D)) + C$$

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MarveI

karmic vortex
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my desmos isn’t showing the pi numbers

languid bolt
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step: pi

karmic vortex
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oh ok

languid bolt
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ok so A is 3

karmic vortex
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yes

balmy warren
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period of wave is 2pi / B

languid bolt
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^^

balmy warren
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phase shift is D/B

karmic vortex
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B=12?

languid bolt
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C is the center

languid bolt
karmic vortex
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i thought there was no C

languid bolt
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yeah

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C = 0

karmic vortex
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okok

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is B the point in between 3pi/2 and 2pi?

languid bolt
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this is period of wave

balmy warren
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take a point on the graph

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and trace it until it repeats

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that will be your period

karmic vortex
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how do i figure out what this point is?

balmy warren
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you have grid squares

languid bolt
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i misunderstood his or her or their or "whatever your pronouns are" question nvm

balmy warren
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there are 3 grid squares per division of pi/2

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so what is the value of 1 grid square

karmic vortex
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1/2?

languid bolt
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no

balmy warren
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no

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$\frac{\frac{pi}{2}}{3}$

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IntelligentCake

karmic vortex
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pi/6?

balmy warren
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what is this @karmic vortex

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yes

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so what is the period

karmic vortex
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hold on gimme a minute

balmy warren
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just count number of squares from start of cycle to end of cycle

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then multiply by pi/6

karmic vortex
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12 times pi/6?

languid bolt
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simplify

karmic vortex
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2pi

languid bolt
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👍

karmic vortex
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so that’s my period?

languid bolt
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yes

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period = 2pi / B

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find B

karmic vortex
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i thought that’s what we were figuring out?

languid bolt
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yes

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you found period

karmic vortex
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but we need B

languid bolt
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yes

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2pi = 2pi / b

karmic vortex
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so we haven’t rlly found the period

languid bolt
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we found period

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but we havent found B

karmic vortex
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would it be 2pi/12?

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pi/6

languid bolt
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ok so

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what is period

karmic vortex
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2pi

languid bolt
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so

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$$2\pi = \frac{2\pi}{B}$$

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MarveI

languid bolt
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what is b

karmic vortex
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how do i find B?

languid bolt
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period of wave = 2pi/B

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we found period of wave

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find B now

karmic vortex
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but B is a number

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how do i find the number?

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is it a point on the graph?

languid bolt
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...

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$$\frac{2\pi}{1} = \frac{2\pi}{B}$$

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MarveI

languid bolt
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what is B

karmic vortex
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1?

languid bolt
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yes

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B = 1

karmic vortex
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languid bolt
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Period = 2pi/B

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we found period in the graph

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so then we can find B

karmic vortex
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ok

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so is 2pi included in our final equation?

languid bolt
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no

karmic vortex
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ok

languid bolt
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B is included

karmic vortex
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so 1

languid bolt
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yes

karmic vortex
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ok

languid bolt
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$$y = 3sin (1 (x - D)) + 0$$

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MarveI

languid bolt
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so far we got this

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now we need to find D

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idk how to explain D

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i'd say it's displacement from center

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like.. how far the graph is shifted in the x axis

karmic vortex
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ahh ok

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1/2?

languid bolt
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no

karmic vortex
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wait no

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i had my desmos wrong

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i had x+1/2

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not minus

languid bolt
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so like... you can just find the displacement from center

karmic vortex
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6?

languid bolt
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wait no

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this

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the distance

karmic vortex
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1.5?

languid bolt
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forgot the label

karmic vortex
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3/2?

languid bolt
karmic vortex
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so it would be pi/6 plus half a grid

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assuming half of pi/6 is pi/3?

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i think that’s wrong

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fawk

languid bolt
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yeah i think so too

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uhh

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i can zoom in 🙂

karmic vortex
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-pi/6

languid bolt
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i was wrong, one grid is not pi/6

karmic vortex
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🧍‍♀️

languid bolt
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😄

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ok so anyways

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A = amplitude/height which is 3

karmic vortex
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i have y=3sin(1(x-6)) rn

languid bolt
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no

karmic vortex
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ok

languid bolt
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A = amplitude/height which is 3
2pi/B = period of wave
C = center which is 0
D = distance from center?

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$$y = 3sin(1(x - D)) + 0$$

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MarveI

languid bolt
karmic vortex
languid bolt
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si

karmic vortex
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that’s the answer?

languid bolt
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yes

karmic vortex
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ok

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lemme check

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it’s right

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i just finished my homework

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that was my last question

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now i got a 100

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thank you so much