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Is it possible to find the minimal and maximal values of both X and W?
I want the expression to have the lowest possible value given X and W are integers
Asking about your attempted solution rather than your actual problem
anyway let's see here
i'd start by doing some cleanup
$\frac{2wx - 2x^2}{w^2} + \frac{2x}{w} - \frac{4x^2}{w^2} = \frac{2wx - 2x^2 - 2wx - 4x^2}{w^2} = -\frac{2x^2}{w^2}$
Ann
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i think this expression has no minimum even if x and w are required to be integers
just take x = whatever and w = 1
you can make it go to minus infinity
the minimum above 0
Uri
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the second 2wx term should be positive. so the sum is (4wx-2x^2)/w^2
oh my bad
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About the right triangles
Since it composes of 180 degrees
What's also the standard measurement of its sides?
it doesnt have one
The sides can vary with the other 2 angles
i dont exactly understand the question
The measurements of sides
The maximum perimeter of a triangle ?
What's the standard measurements of right triangle's sides? (like is it 1?)
1 for each sides?
still dont get it
do you mean like in proportion to each other?
what does standard measurement mean
No what I mean is
Does right triangle's sides have numbers?
yes
Is it 1 for each sides?
the answer to your question is no
they cant all be 1
It could be in any ratio, there are infinite no. Of them
Ohhh I see
I think there are infite right?
yes
yes
btw not just right triangles, in all triangles the angles add up to 180deg
"kid makes fun of dharmann on discord, lives to regret it"
Bcs I need to find the reference angle of 960 degrees (which is 60 degrees)
And the circular functions
No given number for a right triangle's side at least
So you see...
We're not just telling stories
We're solving math too! 
So yeah idk how to find this out
We're not just telling stories
We're in need of how to solve the problem 😅
I don't know how to solve this without given values of a right triangle's side at least
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Can someone explain to me the goniometric equations
I have no idea what that is and how it work
I have like cos(2x)=0.35 and need to find u1 and u2 in L={[0;2pi[}
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oooh so you are looking for roots i guess
what do you mean by u1 and u2
Goniometeic = trig
So I think they are asking for multiple solutions to an equation (e.g. Cos2x=. 35) within 0 to 2pi
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Yes
There are 2 solutions
Only 2? I see 4 on the graph
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Should be just 2
but dont forget your finding soultions for cos2x
so if you write y=2x
cos(y)= 0.35 in the range 0 to 4pi
then half the solutions
you obtain 4 not 2?
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what does the preimage of a noninjective function look like
looking at this
given A_0, f(A_0) is a subset of B that is the image of A under f, call it B_i
then f^-1(B_i) is the preimage of B_i (i.e. all the elements of A that map to B_i)... but isn't that all of A_0?
im failing to see how it would ever not be equal
also ann contradicted me on this before but doesnt a function need to be bijective for f^-1 to exist in the first place
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let's take an extreme example
imagine I have the function f : N -> {1}, such that f(n) = 1, for all n positive integer
you can probably see how you can pretty much take any A_0 and the equality will not hold
well which elements of **N ** map to 1 (through f)?
all of them
then is it cuz it's not necessarily equal
like the preimage could be N but it could also be {1,2,3}
or any subset of N for that matter
well the preimage of {1} is N (by f)
there's no hypothetical here
I guess you're trying to say something else though
OH wait
which is pretty much what you're trying to prove
yeah that's why there's the inclusion in the question
f^-1(f(A_0)) could be equal to A_0
but it's generally bigger
if your function is not injective it screws with everything
will try and formalize and post here in a moment 
can equality hold even if there isn't injectivity?
actually yeah that's obvious
take the subset of N that is all of N 
yeah lol ^^
part of my mistake was thinking of it as an iff
ok i definitely understand it but i can't seem to formalize it 
can i argue that the preimage of the image will never be a subset of A_0, so it must be either equal or a superset of A_0
@vale crag sorry 4 ping just wanna double check 👉 👈
I'm not really sure how you get to the contradiction
and your idea of proof doesn't sound that great to begin with
i didnt think so tbh
like excluding the fact that you're a subset doesn't mean that you're automatically equal or super
oh woops
you could have a set which, starting from A_0, take one element off, and add one element out of A_0
that's neither a subset or a superset of A_0
but there's a direct proof for that
ah i see
let's just do the ole "what's the definition of inclusion?" proof
a \in A_0 implies a \in preimage of image
but then it kinda just ends up being "by definition" doesnt it
it's always by definition
I mean in beginning undergrad or before it's pretty much true
it's just an early exercise in munkres that stumped bc i was overcomplicating
the ole munkres book
why does discord keep recommending me pictures as I type?
what a shitty new feature
literally had a little popup like "hey you wanna put a picture of munkres' book"
it's the stickers on the right
yah

I get it at least
i gotta practice not overthinking things
that's just showing that the preimage of the image if a subset of A_0 in the injective casse
will formalize
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you can't tell a+b from this
I tried but i have no idea if this makes any sense at all
you can't tell a+b from this
unless there's some important info that's being conveniently omitted
Hmm yea i guessed so but umm can you tell me why what i did doesn't make sense/work
you somehow got "a − ab = 31/a", should be a − b = 31/a
well you have 2 variables and only one equation
Hmm wouldn't the minus go to the other side alongisde the a
under normal circumstances, you can't get unique solutions
So it'd be like a + b = 31/a ÷ -a
there are infinitely many ordered pairs / solutions to a(a-b) = 31
and there'd be infinitely many possible values to a+b
Oh so it's just impossible to actually get a proper answer with it(?)
that's what i said
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Idk how to find A and B
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What is the graph of greatest integer of 1-(x²/4)
wdym graph of greatest integer
do you mean the graph
or find the greatest integer
Graph
,rotate
Wdym
Use some more words
search it up
the floor function is an alternate name for the greatest integer function
Yes
But I need with floor
Then redraw w floor
after you have that
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x(t) = sin(5πt)
x(n) = sin(5πn)```
do both of these signals have the same period `2/5`
first is continuos time signal and second is discrete time signal
yes
sure?
being discrete valued function has no effect?
-infinity < t < infinity , n belongs to integer
Yes
so you need to multiply by 5
2?
yes
I think so
might need to check with someone
but I am 90% sure
basically you first set 5pin = 2pi
then solve for n
which is 2/5
but the fundamental frequency is an integer
so you need to multiply by the denominator
I think that's how it works
but not too sure
sorry I can't be of more help
i understand what u r saying
True
2?
As 2pie is the period
is this false then?
both signals dont have a period of 2/5 ?
yes
Both have same period
2/5 & 2 will be correct?
@queen lodge ?
Period of sin5πn is 2/5
i guess u dont know bout discrete valued functions
They do effect i think
As sin x has period of 2π it doesn't mean that if you muntiply any constant with it will have same period
If you add something with x then it will have same period
But if you muntiply or divided it will change
2pi is not the period
I was saying about sin x
oh ok
@queen lodge discrete and continous are different
you can't just treat them the same
@terse oak I think it is 2 but yeah as I said I'm 90% sure. I've only ever come across them once and that was a while ago
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answer will be infinity?
This is an interesting limit if T approaches 0. Is it possible that it's supposed to?
If T approaches inf, then yeah this goes to inf
e approaches Infinity 😂
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Sin(5pi*n)
What will be the period of this signal if n is integer
Some functions (like Sine and Cosine) repeat forever and are called Periodic Functions.
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but it is discrete
so it will be equal to zero
if n is integer
even then will it be periodic?
if yes, the period?
Try plugging in small values of n and find a pattern
for every value of n answer will be zero
no?
as sin (pi*n) = 0
Yes
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Hello
if I have this formula y(x) = 3 sen (2x)
Amplitude is 3
Frequency is 2
and it says Period is PI
Why?
T = 1 / f
right?
but how the answer is pi
lol

how 1 / 2 is = pi
hmm
So let me try
P = 2pi/2
ohh
Let me try the second
P = 2pi/0,2
ohhh
it works!
there you go. Makes sense now?
yep, just remember that the normal period is 2pi
ok!
so you divide your normal period by the frequency
if I want to find F it would be F = 2pi/t ?
try it and see if it works going backwards
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I do not understand this question and I think it will be on the test
It is grade 9 math
I understand how to find the individual areas, but I am unsure how to find the perimeters.
Sum of the sides
what perimeter do u not know
Since its a triangle for A1
Yes
idk he's in public school?
I am
you can count the squares
he wants perimeter
1+1+root 2
Pyrhagoras
the slant is root 2
Hypotenuse
Ok let me write that down
Let me write 1.414
One decimal place
Oh
1.4
A2
Is a trapezoid
yes
a+b+c?
there are 2 slants this time
each are root 2
Sir yes sir
u learned pythagorean theorem?
yeah
so 2.8 for both slants
By counting
the other sides of the trapezoid
yeah
Is that all for A2
dude are you doing part 2 of the question
if so, the lines in the INTERIOR of the shape do NOT count
its just the outside part
Not 2.8 + 2 + 4?
u only need to count the lines that are outside of the shape
the trapezoid is just 1+2\sqrt{2}
For perimeter?
the ones needed for this
So
Yes sir
for the perimeter of the figure
The lenght around
exactly
yeah
well yes but no
but one side is inside the figure
Oh
Yesnt
so youdont need to count that side
yes
lines inside the figure remember
no
no
.
there are 2 slipes and 1 straight bit
Yes
2.8+1
theres only 1 side that is not the sland that is outside
You can just count the squares that you see
Oh
well that is the perimeter of A3 yes but we are looking for the perimeter of the whole thing that was made with the shapes
yes but no
how many of them are next to white squares
yes
yes
yes
so
pie x 0.5?
the circumference(C) is $c=2\pi r$
.,..
Yes
that circumference is in 4 squares and we only need 3 of them
C = 2 pie r
Yes
we divide our result by 0.75
or multiply then subtract
Ok
So
C = 2 Pi R
R = ?
we dont divide by 0.75
Oh
how do we get the circumference of 3/4 of the circle
We have to
Uh
We have to
Well
We would need to multiply 3/4 by our result
3 x result / 4
I think
so we get $\frac{6\pi r}{4}$
Yes
.,..
now cause we got two of em bitches we can multiply this by 2 giving us
Yes sir
$\frac{12\pi r}{4}$
🤣
.,..
so its just 3pi r
12 x pi
what about it
37.68 x radius / 4
whats 12/3
4
I mean 12/4
3
Simplify
we get $3\pi r$
.,..
radius
What is the radisu
yes
how do you figure that
explain
radius = 1
yes
btw * is used for multiplication instead of x
you dont need to do it individually
y
K
y is in why or y as in yes
Anyways
Since we got everything
The total perimiter is
2.4 + 3.8 + 6 + 4.7 + 4.7
Perimeter is 21.6
cool
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i wouldn't say ambiguous, it's more like hard
i'm struggling
oh
one marble
pshew
definitely 10!/4!2!3!
i'm sure
that's the point of having colors, you have to ignore that they have matching colors to get 10!
no
it's indeed ambiguous, but there's no reason to pick the one that makes less sense
sometimes problems have blatant red herrings
but this should be treated as relevant information
yep
there's a simple reason it can;t be that
because it means 1 way of distributing if you do that
if you disregard colors, what else is left
no
then you introduce difference between marbles
after deliberately ignoring difference that was given
that's messed up
okay
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wouldn't the mean and standard deviation be on your cheat sheet for distributions?
the mean would be the expected value
standard deviation, the square root of variance
ok, then we want to use the...theorem...what's it called...that makes binomial distributions approximately normal
me neither
but I did it
I think
$z_{x} =\frac{x - \bar{x}}{s}$
Disorganized
this is not official notation.
I've only ever seen z scores using population means and standard deviations
but whatever
$z_{340} = \frac{340-360}{16.5408585} = -1.209127084$
Disorganized
$z_{390} = \frac{390-360}{16.5408585} = 1.813690625$
Disorganized
then I looked these values up in the z-table (left sided)
I forget this notation especially
but
$z_{340} \Rightarrow 0.0985\
z_{390} \Rightarrow 0.9649$
Disorganized
subtracting those
got 0.8664

to get the space between the x-values
which is the probability that x is between these values
are you able to check the solution?
hopefully?
I mean it does, to the nearest percent...
well I mean I didn't mess up any arithmetic
I just wondering if we're using the correct formulas
we should get a stats guy in here
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yeah let me know so I can better myself
$\Phi (z_x) = \text{the decimal that comes from the table, associated with the z-score}$
Disorganized
this is the notation I recall that maps a z-score to the percent of the normal distribution to the left of that position
the x-value gets mapped onto a normalized bell curve, and that mapping is the z-score
so...I at least remember that
the subtraction I was doing was subtracting the areas under the curve, which left me with the area between the normalized values
...which is the same as it would be between the original statistics, 360 and 390
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can someone do this
i already know how to do it
i just wanna see if the solutions are wrong
bcs i got a different answer to the solution
just show your work and someone can look.
Did you round too early
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Yeh but what does that have to do with it being minus ?
but in other questions
i didnt have to doi -0.5
why specifically for this question
what makes it different
can i just leave it as 0.7673
alright
thanks
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Is that 34?
it’s 30
Take log_10 both sides
It's days
i dont actually know how this works
i just need to know what Y is gonna be
is there a formula for this type of situation that i can use for further calculations?
You can take log
i don’t know how to do that
use this property
Ji
can you provide the answer based on my numbers with this property?
i’m not familiar with the term ‘log’ here. how is it used in the calculation?
Are you using a calculator
waitt isn't it just taking sqr 30 both sides?
i was trying to come up with the answer on paper but now saw the ‘Log’ in the calculator so lets give it a shot
Even using that it needs calculator
So if we have y³⁰ = 10⁶ shall we divide by 6?
i remember teacher explaining this before i dropped out. still didn’t learn
yess
here
no need to use log
so is it like y = 1.58
$a^{\frac{m}{n}}=\sqrt[n]{a^{m}}$
Ji
yeahh
The man the myth the legend
the fäf the problem solver
no
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dont use 1.58
shi-
its alright i wanted an estimated answer
alrightt
tysm
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Is this homework
Yeah
yes it is correct @pliant mural
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Hello why is my answer for part c incorrect?
Try plugging in x = 0 in your equation
uhm 1 sec gotta find camera
well i got c = 72
and then I did
2y^2 = 72 + 1/2 * x^2
i then divide by 2 and sqrt
i did sqrt over whole
so sqrt(72 + 1/2 * x^2)
plus w/ this if you plug in x = 0
you don't get -6
i see
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Hi
I can help. what part you do not understand?
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Idk how to write an equation
That regards the problem
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you have to find LWH
Yes
@ashen pulsar You accidentally closed but we can talk here
But there’s no height?
Oh ya my bad
Height is x
If you have a piece of paper and cut the four corners and make a box and look at it. the height is x
the corners you cut
so you can say that W = 24-2x
L is 48-2x?
correct
It also says
determine x so that the box has a volume. of 1800 cubic inches
How would I solve for x
then set that equation equal to 1800
Ya
But how I get x by itself
Also I think there’s more than 1 answer so idrk what to do
Multiply the factors?
Yes
yes to both?
Do I c where they intersect?
I can use calc but it’s precalc
There’s 3 possible answers?
good, you can graph it as it is. Yes there are possible answers
graph it see where is the highest
I forgot how to use ti to find max. here is some instruction. It is for quadratic, but works the same
2) Press [GRAPH] to graph the parabola.
3) Press [2nd] [TRACE] [4] to select the "maximum" command from the CALC menu.
4) The handheld will prompt for a "Left Bound." Using the arrow keys, move the cursor to the left side of the function (past the maximum
point) and press [ENTER].
https://education.ti.com/en/customer-support/knowledge-base/ti-83-84-plus-family/product-usage/34845
Also, here is an example of extrema. for cube function
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Question:
Not sure where to really start (solve for x)
Wait is that allowed?
then factor a (x+5)^1/3
yes
Oop I thought you couldn’t do that because it could be like removing a possibility
if you have a fraction $\frac{a}{b}$ then it can only be 0 if the numerator is 0
Oh okok
x can't be 0 in the first place so its not removing any possibilities
$\frac{4}{3}x(x+5)^{1/3} - (x+5)^{4/3} \
= \frac{4}{3}x(x+5)^{1/3} - (x+5)(x+5)^{1/3} \
= (x+5)^{1/3}\left(\frac{4}{3}x - (x+5)\right)$
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Hi, I'm reviewing for a quiz and trying to differentiate this function. I've tried this many times and compared answers with WolframAlpha derivative calculator and keep getting different answers.... (I've checked the alternate forms too it all seems different)
If someone could show me the step-by-step solutions that usually is the best way for me to understand a question but any help at all would be appreciated.
I got f'(x) = [3xsin(2x) - 8(sinx)^2(cosx)^2] / x^3
It should be x^4
Or is that after simplification
After simplification
I cancelled one x out
You know the product rule?
Yeah I could send a picture of the work I did?
Maybe I'm making a stupid mistake somewhere one sec Ill send the work
Go ahead
do u notice that 4sin^2x cos^2x = (2sinxcosx)^2?
O,o I didn't notice that no
might save some effort
Okay gonna give it another shot
ok so this is the answer I want to get
somehow IM getting that
:/
looks correct
so u mean u want it in this form?
just take 2 in
and use 2cos^2(2x)-1 = cos4x
Thank u so much
lol
Thank you :)))
np
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rank is 2
and yes it has 2 variables
yeah
it's rank is 2 too
it has infinitely many solutions because you can take any value of x
you only know that y=-18 and z=-12
?
r is the number of columns which has 1 as a leading number
and whole column is not full of zeros
n is the total number of columns
though I suggest you to not remember this as it may cause confusion later on
for determining rank or for checking the solutions ?
wait let me explain
in the 3rd row
you are getting 0=1 on solving
unfortunately, I don't know any other method for finding rank other than the standard method in which you have to find the ref and then check for the no. of non zero rows or columns
no
rank is 2 yeahh sorry
sorry I didn't get you
yes
yeah
basically yeah
well you will have to convert it into an ref first before checking any of these
practice and clear all your doubts🤷♂️
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I've gotten the answer but misread the power and i've gotten to many different answers, im a bit lost on this one
whats the answer and what is your answer
The answer i had was 52cm but I accident had used ^2 not ^3
wdym ^2 not ^3?
the question is saying the mass of the fish directly proportional to the cube of the length, I missread that and used power of 2 instead of power of 3, but after retrying it i got like 4 different answers, sorry for the bad explanation
no worries
should be 45240 cm^3
I think its 35.63205462....
aaah nice, do you mind me asking what formula you used? just so i know for next time
Sure
so I knew that the mass = constant x length^3
since they are proportional
nvm
i mightve
did it wrong D:
oh
this is the correct conept tho
I used D=KX
what do those variables represent?