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This is also why just doing chain rule on sin(x+y) is more efficient, as opposed to compound angle then differentiate
wtf is a composition of functions
Mosh
i said explain like I’m a first grader
use chain rule when function inside function.
where am I supposed to use chain rule in my equation
answered that already.
Ok
bye
Eh leave it

Do you know know chain rule?
Maybe be a little more polite
yes
You should be more involved in your learning. You just threw a question out and clearly aren’t trying to learn how to do it and just want an answer. You should also be more polite to people who are able and willing to help you…
"you should be more involved in your learning" i sent an ss where im clearly needing help with the SECOND LAST question
You sent a screenshot with no context
yea and when yall were being annoying about it i sent the whole screenshot
ikr
i thought it would be obvious since u guys are "smart"
smart and telepathic are different things btw
If someone just sent you an equation with no context, would you know what to do?
why do you keep talking about it when i clearly sent it after u asked r u stupid
Do you want help or no?
no
Ok
Then good bye
remember to .close the channel then
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Yes
I dont get where the 2 comes in to place then when dividing pi by 2 for 90 degrees
so 2pi radians=360 degrees
90 degrees is 1/4th of the circle
So 2pi/ 4
Isd what they did
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im stuck on ii)
ik that when the denominator = 0, then thats the vertical asymptote
but im not sure what to do with trig functions
if that’s the case, then you need to find the values of x between 0 and 2pi inclusive for which cos x is 0
What function did you graph?
y=cos x
ok
Have you discussed trig functions before?
yea
And have you encountered the unit circle?
but long time ago
yes
wait would 45 degrees be zero
$\frac{\pi}{4}$
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$\frac{\pi}{2} , \text{and} , \frac{3\pi}{2}$

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i need help with iv)
@alpine sable Has your question been resolved?
You here?
ye
in which part you need solution?
iv)
At x=0, secx=1
cosx= 1/secx
Using this, you can prove from the previous information to the question to the question
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You can take help from desmos. Here, see an example
the other way around
Your question is not making sense. Are you sure it is complete?
Just reading the question, I think the range is 0<=x<=2*pi
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yea within there is 2 asymptotes
u can see it in the desmos
Yep, there is
alr ty for ur help
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We are both bread
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How you got that Active role?
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hi
how would I find -146 degrees
it doesn't land on one of the things in the unit circle
Do you know what coterminal means?
it lands on 214 degrees in the clockwise direction
not 100% sure but
I think it means the angle that is the same thing as
I forgot how to explain it but I kinda get what it means
it's the angle that helps you locate
nope
Yes, so given -146 degrees, how would you get that into a range of 0 and 360?
things that are not on the unit circle
so I know that you go -146 degrees in the clockwise direction
which would put you at 214 degrees
which is in between210 and 225 degrees
but how would I know the exact value of the radian if it's not on the unit circle
BTW, the answer will also be in radian
like -360 and 360 are coterminal angles
yea
but im not sure how to get the exact radian
it's between 7pi/6 and 5pi/4
A circle is equal to 2pi radians
yea
Now subtract that and get the answer for b
Nothing with that question has anything to do with the unit circle
It just wants a coterminal angle for -146
214
Yes
BTW, he is asking for help for the 2nd question probably
no I think I got the second one but actually
Notice how it's filled in?
is there any easier way to do the second one without looking at the unit circle?
Yes
cause I had to look for that one
What filled in?
3pi/4
oh so basically you want to get a radian measure between 0 and 2pi
Yes
cause we don't care about how many rotations there were
Same thing with degrees
what if u do
If given an angle 720. the coterminal is 360
7pi/4
19/4pi = four rotations - pi/4. That's basically 270 degrees
You just subtract multiples of 360 to get the angle between 0 and 360 degrees
No
Where is 7pi/4 coming from?
You subtract multiples of 2pi
I was saying you put in an answer of 3pi/4
Yes
2pi, 4,pi, 6pi, ... 2pi * n
Just keep subtracting multiples of 2pi
That's 4 rotations + pi/2
That's just memorizing
You can just do 19pi/4 - 2pi - 2pi... so on
ok so 19pi/4 -2pi
Until you get a number between 0 and 2pi
Just put it in the calculator. works fine either 🤷♂️
The concept is coterminal, not using a calculator
right?
Where you have to add/subtract multiples of 2pi to get an angle between 0 and 2pi
Yes
Same thing for degrees, it's multiples of 360
So 360, 2 * 360, 3 * 3600, etc
Ikr, the calculator helped me anyway
So what? Some teachers don't allow calculators and want you to do it by hand
Hence adding/subtracting multiples of 2pi or 360
where you live in?
richmond, VA
Irrelevant
Some teachers design a test that it can be done with no calculator
Khan sorry but I think most students nowadays have to learn it without a calculator
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Guys i have a question
oops
Bob and Alice both have identical decks, 3 red 3 blue 3 green and 3 yellow. They take turns removing cards from their deck, Alice going first. What is the chance that Alice removes all three red cards before Bob removes any?
What have you tried so far?
i dont really know how to approach the problem
for previous problems ive done casework
because it was easier
but in this question theres too many cases
Ok, do you see any way you could simplify this problem?
well all the non red cards could be grouped together
so its 3 red and 9 non red
for each
Good. What are the cases you figured out so far?
alice can draw a red card first or she draws a non red card
yeah but then there are too many cases to keep track of
I agree. Can Alice win with just 3 cards?
The probability of that is...
Wait! Good!
3/12 x 2/11 x 1/10
But this is just alice right... what would happen to bob?
You are now thinking about two things happening right.. not just alice drawing reds, but bob drawing non reds
Ok, have you learned about independence and joint probabilities? P(A and B) = P(a) * P(b)?
ye
Since Alice's deck and Bob's deck are independent (Alice can't change the probabilities that Bob would be facing when drawing cards, right?)
yes
But if Alice picks a red, chances of Bob picking red decreases too
nono they have seperate decks
They have separate decks
Yeps
Oh yes read just now
oh wait so its just the probability of alice drawing 3 reds multiplied by the probability of bob drawing none?
Yes, but Alice may not be that lucky right?
I didn't know they had separate decks
hm
Initially I understood the same as you, but this less messier...]
What else could happen?
alice doesnt draw 3 red cards on her first go?
Or, maybe she needs 4 cards to win... what would be the probability of that?
You could try a tree diagram of the possibilities
4 cards would mean 3 are red and 1 is not red
Think about what @devout summit is suggesting as you are building your intuition about the problem
hm okay
Right, what would be the probabilty of the 4 cards case?
uh
At least for bob, nothing changes right? But what would be different for Alice?
But do you understand why?
im sorry i dont understand what you mean
bob's card draws are independent
The combination idea is correct. It is needed because there are more than one way to get 3 reds and 1 non red.
I was just checking if we were on the same page
so should it be 8/(11x5x9)?
because there are 8 ways to get 3 reds and 1 non red from 12 cards
I mean ~~RRRN ~~RRNR RNRR NRRR right
ops, the first doesn't count (she would have won...)
Good! And each has a probability equal to what?
so RRNR has a probability of 3/12 x 2/11 x 9/11 x 1/9
oh wait they all have the same probability
Great! Yes. So what is the probability of Alice wining with 4 cards?
2/11 x 9/11 x 1/9
because the 4 and the 3 cancel out the 12 on the denominator right?
so do i have to do the same thing all the way up to 12?
No, this is just alice side of the thing right. Don't forget about Bob...
That's right (again P(A and B) = P(A) * P(B)
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Dude, can you imagine the type of people that is spending their night on a saturday solvind math problems?
b&
so its (2x8x7x6)/(12x11x10)?
wait a second
ima redo my math
oh wait
nvm
That is a good idea, Check alice's numbers.
I don't think i follow the 2/11 x 9/11 x 1/9
okay
wait but is this correct?
I think this is the situation right? 3 * (9/12 * 3/11 * 2/10 * 1/9)
Yes, this is just alice's side of the thing...
yeah
i think i calculated that already
Just steping back to summarize the thing:
Alice can win with 3 cars with the probability of:
P(A winning 3 cards)*P(B not gettin red)
Alice can win with 4 cards with probability:
P(A winning with 4 cards)*P(B not getting red)
3 * (9/12 * 3/11 * 2/10 * 1/9) * 9/12 x 8/11 x 7/10 probability correct?
oh crap just realized
bob only draws 3 times
okay so the edited message should be the probability
Yep, now I want you to think when our logic will break. I mean, we can repeat this same logic for Alice winning with 5 cards, then 6 ... But this logic has a limit, do you see why?
after 9
because then bob cannot draw more than 9 cards with all of them being non red
Great, you solved it!
wat
You just have to compute the probabilities and you are done.
It may be tedious, but at least it makes sense right?
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how do you do this question
i tried expanding out the cos with compound angle formula
but couldn't get anymore
Might be worth a shot to use complex exp
You'll want to get both with θ/2, or with θ
I don't remember the double angle formulas off hand oof. Maybe worth a look up
One thing at a time haha
The angles definitely have to match, so double angle/half angle happens somewhere
double angle for cos(2x) is cos(2x)=1-2sin^2(x)
Yeah and,\\$\cos(\theta)=\cos\left(2\cdot\frac{\theta}{2}\right)$
Euclid31415
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no i did this expansion
but then how do you equate this?
You get a quadratic in terms of sin(theta/2)
$1-2\sin^2\left(\frac{\theta}{2}\right)+3\sin\left(\frac{\theta}{2}\right)-2=0$
Euclid31415
Then you can factorise and solve for sin(theta/2) and hence, theta
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Should not pi be a rational number?
In mathematics, a rational number is a number that can be expressed as the quotient or fraction p/q of two integers, a numerator p and a non-zero denominator q.
p = 22, q = 7.
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Share your question once again. I wanna copy it
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Just need help with part B. I haven't done anything like this before so I'm not sure how to start it. All I know is it has to do with 5! and 4! but I dont know how to set up the equation.
help pls
use an empty channel
empathy i'll try to help later if i can, i'm helping some other people
sorry about that
All good, no rush ^^
Do you know about counting principles?
That terminology doesn't sound familiar but I may know about it
Did you already do question A?
Yes
Did you use combination or permutation?
So the word eloquence is a 9 letters word right?
having 5 vowels right?
exactly
So, there is no repetition of letters - neither vowels nor consonants.
Isnt E a repetition
Therefore, the arrangement pattern of letters shall be:
vowel-consonant-vowel-consonant-vowel-consonant-vowel-consonant-vowel.
I'm not sure tho
do you have the answer with u?
i think ur right. E is a repetition.
i would wait for somebody
what grade are you?
Year 11 maths methods
I'm in year 11 as well mate
doing the same thing as u
we are on the same boat my brother
since there are 3 E's there are 3! ways to rearrange them so that the word stays the same
which means that the 2880 overcounts each word 3! = 6 times
so 2880/6 = 480 distinct words
@grizzled path is right
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your welcome
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@grizzled path what grade are you in?
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Is the answer 17/7 hrs?
let me help you with this question
he spent 3/7 of his time grocery shopping and the remaining 2 hours buying furtniture right?
remaining 2 hours must therefore equale to 4/7 as both added together should equal 7/7
in the polish system it's grade 2 of middle-high school so like 10th in normal units
Is the answer 3.5 hrs ?
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Yes sorry my wifi went off. So if we divide 2/4 we get the value of 1/7 which is 0.5
to then find 3/7 we multiply 0.5 by 3
which is 1.5
we then add 4/7 (2) and 3/7 (1.5) which is as you said 3.5hrs
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I was wondering how I could approach this problem
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486841106298961930/904325971765788704/unknown.png?width=1247&height=526
I am searching for the rate at which the light on the car travels along the wall.
I believe that would result in me having 2Πr as my x and 70ft as my y with 30 degrees as my theta
This should be my equation if I'm not mistaken to find z
But would I differentiate this statement to find the rate at which it travels?
Calc 1 Related Rate problem
Would appreciate any help
what exam board r u doing
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<@&286206848099549185> Would really appreciate any help on this related rates problem. Need some guidance.
Firstly you'll need to come up with an equation that relates the angle and position, then differentiate both sides with respect to time.
@harsh belfry
Any chance you could help me out in setting that up?
I'm not used to doing that part I guess.
Start by setting up the equation relating angle and position
you sort of have it, just need to not put in the specific angle
guys anybody help
Hey, this is an occupied channel. Currently solving a problem
This should work right? @woeful pulsar
there's no dt on the left hand side
you have to differentiate both sides with respect to time
ah would I perhaps end up with dtheta/dt
what would the expression be? remember to use chain rule
An 8 × 12 board is divided into colorless unit squares. Determine the minimum number of squares that need to be painted black such that each 3× 3square contains at least two red squares?
what is the ans
Hey man, this is an occupied channel.
#help-11 is available
ok
yeah looks like it
Now I would plug in my theta?
read the question, is the information there for d theta/dt?
No its not right?
there is information about d theta/dt
Thats what we're solving for.
what we are looking for is dx/dt
I must be missing something major
yeah 76pi radians per minute
( and yeah, we do things with radians)
now can you solve for dx/dt?
be careful about your units
or 22284.3639
Which is the rate at which the light travels along the wall in ft/sec
That should be correct @woeful pulsar
for which angle?
incorrect, be careful about your units
yeah that looks reasonable
I guess you can .close now lol
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Need help with confirming if I got this matrices equation correct
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I suggest you to organize this solution better and do the math with no rush (slow is smooth and smooth is fast...)
What you mean by that
Actually when you said
Nvm now Ik what u mean
I don't know what you are trying to solve there... (I had to struggle just to understand that there is system of equations somewhere there, some determinants everywhere and some cryptic variables D, Dx,Dy,Dz ... to help you and the person that will have to read this, I suggest you write some small notes on the solution... Things like: I have to find the solution to ... write the system of equations.
Then, to solve this I will apply this method that uses some determinants ... Write D, then Dx, then Dy, then Dz
Finally, using the determinants, x is ... , y is ... and z is ...
What I mean by slow is smooth and smooth is fast is that It seems that you know what you are doing, but there are some determinants that are not computed correctly. For instance, det((-4,-1),(6,5)) isn't -26
My bad, check D
Now Ik what I did wrong
Yeah what I did was unorganized
But Ik what I did wrong now
The value of D is not -480... where are you calculating D? I can't find it on the solution.
Yeah the first part I didn’t calculate it correctly
I did 20+-6
It was supposed to be 3(-20- -6)
Which would be 3 (-14) is -42
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I'm doing the IB
Just fyi, you opened this help channel with that response
If you didn't mean to, just close this
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Hi, I have been reading a book about algorithms and realized I also need an understanding of maths to be able to solve that algorithms, can you recommend me a book that emphasizes the math needed for solving programming algorithms?
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super quick question
yes
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Shouldn't be the answer 8 ?
no I see the answer there, what values do you get for each part?
Oh ryt
np
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studying for trig test, could someone walk me though how to solve this?
Consider putting this line on the unit circle. Can you point out what the sides need to be?
Well would it be on the y axis since it’s y = 3x?
"it"?
"Put 3x on the line" is a very weird way to say it, haha.
So you want to graph y = 3x.
I know I’m sorry
That should be no problem. If you are having trouble with graphing lines, check up a YouTube
Ok so once you plot that what do you do from there?
Do you just find where it is on the unit circle?
So as long as it’s more than 0?
Ah gotcha
Oh ok
So then the coordinate would be(1, 3) and you would be able find the trig functions cuz your given x and y?
The point is not (1,3) haha
However, you have noticed that the y-value will be 3 times larger than the x-value
Actually, fair. You're right you can construct any triangle
So yeah a triangle with base 1, and height 3 works
Alright gotcha
So just plot that and then find a point that’s more or equal to 0
Just making sure so I know how to do it by myself haha
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Do you have a book? Because using that will help
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The domain of a function is the set of all possible inputs for the function
its not asking for the definitions
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what is this?
these questions blow my mind lol
i think in america its 12
i have and i dont fuckin get it
Mind if I chip in? You're just multiplying it out
yes
so imagine a number x
the square root of it
is a positive number
(sometimes negative works, but positive is the correct way)
that if you multiply it
by the same number
you get x
so
some examsples
sqrt(1)=1
since 1*1 is 1
sqrt(4) is 2
since 2*2 is 4
sqrt(9) is 3
yes
yes
have irrational square roots
for example
square root of 2
or square root of 10
theres no specific number to find their square root
so basically square root of prime numbers are irrational, and some other numbers square roots are irational as well
so here
you have square root of 5 times (square root of 8 + square root of 18)
since its in () try opening it u
p
we get square root of 5 times square root of 8 + square root of 5 times square root of 18
and when we have
square root of a times square root of b, we can multiply to get square root of ab
so her
e
we are going to use that
square root of 40 + square root of 90
so now we can write 40 as in 4* 10
so square root of (410) + square root of (910)
sorry i meant to put * 2 times
discord messes it up
basically
square root of 4 is 2
9 is 3
so we can write 2 sqrt(10) + 3sqrt(10)
add it up
5 sqrt(10)
hm ok
mind if I have a go?
fosho
i know the square roots part
@alpine sable ok so to start off simple
do you know how to expand out
like, multiply a(b + c)
mans 12 grade
i'm just verifying foundation before i continue
lmao
you lost me from here
and idk what 12 grade means lol
wym
ok so cigar
anyways
alright no need to take the piss because i dont understand something
20+5
im not saying nun, im saying you would know expanding
okay so with square roots, it's exactly the same
i do
multiply it out before anything
yes
not with square roots
root 5 x root 8 = root 40
maybe try opening 18 as 2*9 then write 3 root 2 then multiply
so its easier
ok
yeah, thank you
so root 40 is the same as root 20 x root 2
equally it is the same as root 10 x root 4
equally it is the same as root 8 x root 5
which would be written as root and then 8 x 5 inside of it
yeah
that multypling gives 40
now, of all of those roots i have shown, which do you think simplify into a rational number
root 10, 4, 20, 2, 8 or 5
4
correct
cool because that makes two
right
yes
so now you know it's root 10 x root 4
this can now be turned into 2 root 10
because instead of it being root 4 x root 10, it's 2 x root 10
now to add them, you need 90 to also have a root of 10
and what about 90 45 30 15 9 6 3 2
so you turn 90 into root 9 and root 10
conveniently, root 9 also simplifies down into 3
9
now do you know what you can do with that
so add up
since it wants some form of
a root 10
lmao
anything there you don't understand @alpine sable
so whats root 25
im here because i couldnt find a way to put this in a calculator
tbh
but thanks alot
whats root 25
5
i have never revised maths, neither anything else
these are called surds so you can cross reference
surds = roots which don't become rational
the irrational square roots are yes
yea
been learning it for a while
alright yeah
in the beginning i understood
but now i dont
so i just put shit in the calculator
and write down what my teacher writes
lol
i know the feeling mate, but yeah, if you have the time always look for help
anyway, was great meeting you man
have a good one
thanks
👍
now
you know this formula
(a+b)^2
=
a^2+2ab+b^2
if not i can explain
so imagine you are multyplying some number by itself
and lets say a+b=n right
for the moment
so (a+b)^2= (a+b) * (a+b)
which equals
(a+b) * n
so when we expand
we get an+bn
Tell it to Me pls
but we said that n is equal to a+b
so an+bn is equal to
a(a+b) + b(a+b)
so when we expand
we get the following
a^2 + ab + ab +b^2
which becomes a^2+2ab + b^2
so now we have a =1
b= root 3
so their (a+b)^2 = 1 + 3 + 2 root 3
which equals to 4 + 2 root 3
so a
is equal to 4
b is 2
since we have 4+ 2root3= a + b root 3
remember that (a+b)^2 = a^2+2ab+b^2 @alpine sable
yeah
you need not remember this
a = 1 and b = sqrt3
imma write some formulas to remember
you don't need to memorize
yes you do
- (a+b)^2= a^2+2ab+b^2
- (a-b)^2= a^2-2ab+b^2
- (a+b)^3= a^3+3a^2b+3ab^2+b^3
- (a-b)^3= a^3-3a^2b+3ab^2-b^3
- a^3+b^3=(a+b)(a^2-ab+b^2)
- a^3-b^3=(a-b)(a^2+ab+b^2)
- a^2-b^2=(a+b)(a-b)
just apply the definition of the square
that shit alone confuses me
unless you wanna derive literally everything that would have just been easier to remember
yes you do
grist bundle
then FOIL multiply as usual
which gives what i already said
yes
no need to memorize now though
especially if the problem is conceptually difficult to begin with
it's better to work through it using the tools we already have, if possible
tricks can come after
here remember these
yeah don’t remember all those
i have no fuckin idea what any of that means tbh
it subsumes all of the ones davo mentioned
ignore it
it's not of use to you now
do you know how to carry out the multiplication here?
grist bundle
its useful to know
i dont know anything
to me its just a bunch of letters
ok what's 2+7
9
