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Back again
Idk if there are cases where rational r’s are accepted but let’s not risk it
is this channel free ?
lol the genshin refeence
would this not be right??
Simplify
And rationalize the denominator
I think the computer doesn’t recognize it as the answer saved
1,1,1
1,2,4
1,3,9
2,2,2
2,4,8
3,3,3
3,6,12
4,4,4
4,6,9
5,5,5
6,6,6
7,7,7
8,8,8
9,9,9
10,10,10
11,11,11
12,12,12
hmm alright thank you
Considering when I go descending I have those but not the all repeated in account so times 2 minus 12 and I have 17*2-12=22
Out of 12^3=
,calc 12^3
Result:
1728
Result:
0.012731481481481
,w 22/1728
Result:
18
How to do #4?
You will need a rational r in the cases where your first term is a multiple of a perfect square (4, 8, 9 and 12 but half of them are just two big)
Lol I didn’t take lines in cartesian form
Or actually
Set the three expressions equal to each other as equal to t
And for each expression isolate the variable
That way you get an expression for each variable in t
Which is basically your vector equation of the line
I think you can continue from there?
So set the first 3 equation equal to t right?
Don’t kill me please I only watch jojo I didn’t watch any other anime
That part I get
Yup
Then how do u determine if they are perpendicular
Can you continue from having the vector equation of lines?
Or do you need help after that
I forgot the vector equations lol
??
After getting the vector equation of the lines
The line it contains
Just plug in two random values of t to get two points on the plane lol
And for the perpendicular line
The direction vector is the normal vector of the plane
Do you need more help
Looking at question 3
There is an evil way to transform the cartesian equations to vector
Ah shit
You can choose two values of x and solve for the other variables
That way you have two points on the line so you can do the parametric then the vector
But yeah you’re welcome
hi so this isnt homework or anything im just genuinely lazy rn
Lazy doing what
so for every 2 tablespoons of sour cream has 2 grams of carbs in it, how many grams of carbs would there be in a cup\
i dont have hw today was my third day of school 😭
And this is why you don’t press more
i didnt 🖐️
Someone did but it doesn’t work until the person asked press it so I did lol
@golden nymph don’t worry, u not a weeb yet
That was a bit late but ok
No
yes
I don’t even know what the operations in hamburger mean
Can you multiply sets by numbers or wtf is happening
math
? Is this math?
The only th8ngs I can tell are that grape=1 cookie=2, hamburger = z/2z?
its my math
wat
i havnt learned what to do with the squared, all ik is that you need to multiply the 2 by both terms (4d2) and (d2)
dk if that helps
No lmao
squared is multiplying the number by itself a number to times
ik thats what u do when its not squared
ik
i was talking about the 2 in front of the bracket
hes a baller
you add a \ before the first *
like this
i see
without
2*2*2
*with*
true
anyone here know discrete math
i'm sure there's quite a few
What is the difference between determinants and matrixes?
A determinant is a scalar and a matrix isn't.
hey
guys how do i solve this for each individual square
i got to the vertex of the entire area
Matrix is a vector?
but i dont know how to get the perimeter of each individual square
can i ask the question here?
@chrome skiff Yes.
can someone help me find this answer?, find f(4+h) base of this example, i got struggle 😦
Det is a mapping from the space of square matrices to the corresponding scalar field.... a matrix is a matrix
can someone explain to me how to find the answer to this?
i feel like this is a super easy question
im just dumb
Hello, try drawing the number line and put E at 1. Then draw a point G that is 9 units away of E, at what position is this point?
oh so it is super easy lol
hey guys quick q
Two scales were used to measure the weight of a rock. The result from the first scale is 25±0.3, and the result from the second scale is 27±0.1. Which scale is more accurate?
i think the first is more accurate and the second is more precise
can someone confirm pls
Is it true that its used by scientest? Why does scientist use matrix to calculate things. Isnt it much easier to use microsoft excel?
... what?
can some one explain how to do the 2nd question;-;
I mean, of course matrices are used in science, you can write systems of DEs as matrices, test independence via Wronskian matrix
It's used in DE and MultiVar stuff
Which is very applicable to science
Thnx. Looks usefull. Its seems i really need to learn it. But its hard. 😫
can bias be negative?
Without knowing what the true mass of the rock is, you can't tell which is more accurate.
Accuracy is how close the measurement is to the true value.
I tried to help in DM’s, but idk how to explain how 13 works (I’m thinking 4:3 as ratio, then add them bc it’s a “segment”. Divide 28 by 7, and it’s 4. Multiply result by 4 and by 3 for wins and loses but it’s just how I do stuff)
yeahh
You pinte s a person, not the helper role xD
oh no
a) 3/7 = x/28
because if you win 4/7 games that means you lose 3/7
and if you play 28 games you don’t know how many games you lose so that’s what x is
well
how 3/7??
because if you win 4/7 games that means you lost 3/7
dldh06
oh
To find that do 7-4
4?
7 - 4= 4?
Subtracting fractions, you leave the denominator (I think it’s the right term) alone if it’s the same
Why?
No
Simplify is divide
Because, 3 time 4 is 12. But to get there, you need to do other things first
what to do?
Math
Wait, explain step by step/how you think when you solve this or try to solve it
For every 6 red beads, there are 2 blue beads. How many blue beads are there if there are 24 beads in total?
what math? bruh
ok
kk soo
5?
That would require there to be more than 12 red beads, which is impossible
oh
I don't even think this is possible to solve properly
I think she meant 16 beads total
I meant 24, typo
Or 12
@elfin fiber now solve it
i jus wrote the answer no idea
ok
If its 24
12?
||(How I would solve this.
- Add the 2 beads, for total beads ratio thing, idk name
You get 8 - Divide 24 by 8, to see how many fit into it. Also, tells you how many to multiply by
You get 3 - Multiply what you got (3) but the number of beads per set of beads.(2 blue)
You get 6
Equations:
2:6, 2+6=8
24/8=3
3*2=6)||
It’s how I think it could be solved
Is there are are 12 blue beads, then there will be (6*12)/2 red beads, so no
I’m trying to see how you don’t know how to, by seeing this or it’s just us doing it
@elfin fiber if you are just told directly how, what will you do when you have to solve a similar question
true
schrodinger spitting facts!!!!
but idk how to do it??
Read through this, does it make sense?
Then try to do this one
2 cats for ever 3 dog in pet shop, 20 total pets in pet shop, only cat or dog. How many are cat
If there are 2 blue beads per 6 red beads, then the ratio is 2:6, the total sum of both integers in the ratio has to be 24 because there are 24 beads in total, so what do you have to multiply the ratio by in order to make the sum of both integers 24?
oh ok
i'll try
How
You literally just add the values in the ratio together and divided it by 24
that is hard
24/8 is not hard
You honestly need to review basic math. If you don't even understand how to divide, that's just bad
ik how to divide
@elfin fiber https://www.education.com/worksheets/preschool/math/
These preschool math worksheets will set young learners up for success with key math skills, such as counting, addition and subtraction.
Then why can't you solve the question
Im just not sure what you dont understand
I have told you exactly what to do
Maybe go on khan academy, and do a I think 4th to 6th grade math review course ?
I think K to 5 first
I think that naos problem is comprehension
Does anyone know an alternative way to explain it?
I think it's honestly basic math and numbers
quick question.
f(11) doesnt exist right!? Since 11 is not included
please
like thats all
Channel busy
ik im interrrupting but its so quick
FUCK
NOBODY WANTS TO HELP LOL
just so quick i swear
ok fine
It will be even quicker in an empty channel
Perhaps both
Just search through the previous conversations and you'll understand
@elfin fiber do these
- Add 2 and 6
- Divide 24 by the sum that you got
- Multiply the blue beads and red beads separately with the product you got from step 2
(2 blue per 6 red)
Ik it’s not
But I’m trying to teach you how to solve it
If you had, $\frac{3}{7}$, how would you make the denominator become 28?
dldh06
@elfin fiber do you know what a ratio is?
I honestly doubt it
Then there's the problem
I was helping nao with ratios problems earlier, so yes?
what
@elfin fiber do you know what a ratio is
does he not know how to do it
so the division part is 3?
congratulations
stop assuming gender dumbass
sorry dumbass
nao: 🧠
derkek!!! hello!!!
Do you know what 28/7 is?
I was helping nao do these https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/886841106086625310/887164879226691584/Image_2021-09-13_at_7.25_PM.jpg
@elfin fiber 24/8=3, but what does that mean in regards to the question?
If you dont understand this, it is useless
(Nao what are your pronouns? If you are ok with me using them)
she/her
(Why are you typing like this)
honestly
jk
damn bro these really hurting my brain
these two aren't even helping
Naos pronouns are
/🧠
idk why they're here
No one asked you
gtfo
We are but you arent listening to our advice
Bc it’s not directly relevant to math which is the topic at hand rn
@elfin fiber
what advice bitch?
Channel busy
Channel taken
Oh whats a non taken channel
Don't do people's work
Okay.
Delete it
UPVOTE
Did all the questions in the image.
Imao
do 15 pls
Did you not read what I said? Don't do people's work and delete it
Hello
now that's called helping
No it's not
Tfw 0 ambition
Nao, you need to learn how to do them or else you won’t know on a test
It's called giving answers
jk
And we are not chegg
Can someone help me?
No
go to different channel
Ok
i'm jk
?????
Use the /j, please
...
hello. do i need to subtract the expenses to the profit?
Channel busy rn
how do i do 3??
ohh sorry
how
What
Wdym "how do I do 3"
What do you do with the 3 that you got from 24/8?
Is that what you're asking?
Yeah, but schrodinger is asking what is means in context of question
what r the amount of beats again?
2 and 6...
dumbass shut up
Yes, so if you got 3 from 24/8, then what you have to multiply the ratio by 3
YES
What is the ratio?
6:18?
Try simplify ing it as well
No its -0:-0
So then how many blue beads are there?
2/6?
Now try this
Answer this
wait
That’s simplified, so yes
She needs to figure out the amount of blue beads first
Well not fully, it should be 1:3
But the question doesnt ask her to simplify
She needs to finish solving the question
Simplifyinf would revert her progress
YESS
okk
This
Ok...
loll
🎉
so um'
Go step by step
hello. do i need to subtract the expenses to the profit?
Use this, but adjust the numbers to fit 13a
what are you calculating
im writing a function
i still dont know
This channel is still busy
net profit?
4-2+63(524)
Use a calculator
Yes
wait can we talk in #help-9
Chat busy
k
Or calculator
thank you so much!
@elfin fiber how is 13a going?
hello WTF are taylor series and why do trig ratios use them
It's a math concept
You can Google it
'i didn't do it
Why not?
Try to? Isn’t it due tomrow
i was doin smth
So try to do it?
Use this to help if needed?
No, because you need to understand it
No you won't
Here’s how I solved the bead one. Use as reference
We tell you how to do it and you still don't understand
where is the ques?
This was the bead question, it’s just the steps on how to solve
Or try solving this instead of 13 a first
2lakes per 4oceans on earth. If there are 18 total bodies of water(oceans of lakes), how many are lake
...
You won’t know how to solve these on tests, in the future though
is it 4/7??
?
yeah well
jus tell me a pls
and i'll figure out the rest
pls pls pls
That's your job to figure out
Do you learn better with visuals?
yeah
Give me like 5 mins
k
Can you make a diagram like that for the beads question?
i got that one
oh sorry
Then make a diagram for this
5stars for every 2ncircles
21 shapes altogether
You should be able to do it with the same way you did ratios
kk
And how you find equivalent fractions
Just try to solve it first
i did
Reference back to the other ones that you did
no
Make a ratios with 3 numbers using 300 250 and 100
No
pls quick
Yes
Now make an equivalent ratio, where the first one (300) is 900 instead
hi
OH GOD
Because that's what the question says
how do i do it in lowest terms?
Read question carefully
What did you do when you simplified? Reverse that?
divided?
Eg. 60:55:7 but 60 is 120 instead.
120 divided by 60 is 2 so I multiply all others by 2
55 * 2 = 110
7 * 2 = 14
120:110:14
how is that 120?
🤦♀️ ?
Reread carefully
How is -0 a thing?
nvm
Do 15 using ratios and this
Nao thought that -0,7 was the coordinates of a letter on a cartesian plane
yeah accidentally so chill
"accidentally"
what's 1+1? please help
I fogor💀
meep you to secksy
@elfin fiber you should be able yo solve these yourself by now, we have given you the methodology required
yeah i did it
Look back on past advice, and use it to get the answer to this question
bestieee accept req
You just want to be able to dm me for help whenever you need it
(Unofficial)
Especially for Qb
I don’t know how to draw the graph
it should yeah
help im confused
no i'll ask here but i jus wanted to friend lol
on what, exactly?
Could someone help me to find k???
Just substitute in the expressions for h
???
for example, h(t+1)=30(1.65)^(t+1)
Oh you just made a mistake simplifying
Look closely when simplifying the fraction
Of course the 30 cancels out, but what about the (1.65) terms?
how do u get good at math...
Ohhh I think I got it!
Good
I have same question…😅😅😅I really wonder how to be good at math
Thank you!!
i think for me is to learn the basics like multiplication,addition,subtraction,addition and other more like fraction and exponent
this can help you in the long run like calculus and advanced algebra
Hi
oof
duh
What exactly am I doing wrong for this question?
show work.
$\frac{a}{\sin{(A)}}=\frac{b}{\sin{(B)}}\\therefore a=\frac{8\times\sin{(38^{\circ})}}{\sin{(43^{\circ})}}$
HappyAlt
Sorry, long to type out
its correct
apparantly this is the correct answer
,calc 8 sin(38 degrees)/sin(43 degrees)
Result:
7.2218528533616

As you can see, when you run it through a calculator, you get the answer they said, so you did the work right.
yo wait, my scientific gave me a different answer
you must have given in radians
Result:
-2.8504696141438
🤦
That's what you get when your calculator is in radians mode.
I thought that if I put in the "degree" symbol, even in radian mode, it would recognize it as one
but I forgot, you can also express radians with a symbol
and casio doesn't know the difference
Thanks
No problem.
wdym i just answered someone's question

whats the factor of 8x³-1000?
write it like (2x)^3-(10)^3
wow, thank you!
Oh btw, can it be expanded more or thats where it ends?
a^3-b^3 use this
Have you learned the "difference of cubes" formula?
yes ive had, but when i try to check my answer or simply it again, it gives a different answer
Can you show me what you did and what is happening when you try?
So when i try to expand it, im getting the answer (2x-10) (2x²+12x+100)
I dont know if i did anything wrong or messed up the solution
you can break it in linear factors ( if you have idea of complex numbers)
That's close, but not quite the right factorization
The (2x-10) term is correct
The other term is off in a couple of ways
I've also thought of that so itried to change it to (x²+10x+100) but still got another wrong answer
That's also not quite right
So we know that a^3-b^3=(a-b)(a^2+ab+b^2)
What are a and b in this scenario?
Yeah, that's right
so we have to use
(a-b)(a²-ab+b²) right?
Highest common factor
Like find it?
yep
+ab not -ab
You can use euclids algorithm
Oh, find prime factorisation of the numbers using a factor tree then
oh yes, ive been very confused lately sorry
And then whatever is shared between the prime factorisation (like forexample, if they all have 2^2, 3 and 5 in common) and multiply them together. (For the same examlple, 2^2 * 3 * 5 = 60 so 60 is hcf)
Youre welcome
i tried to solve for the 2nd term again and i got (2x²+20x+100),
I dont think 2x² can be simplified or be expanded
Not 2x^2
(2x)^2
They're different
oh, 4x²
Right
.
a² is 2x² ab is 2x×10 is 20x and 10² is 100
I still dont know why my 2nd term is wrong (2x²+20x+100), where did i make a mistake?
So do I need to change 2x² on the 2nd or leave it like that?
Because a^2 is not 2x^2
but a is 2x? So it must be 2x² but if it isnt what would it be?
OH, thank you so much!!!
hello can anyone help me with the integration of this
these are my steps
is it correct? if it is, I got stuck in last step
do I integrate 1/(5^x ln(5)) too ?
@warped sage If you do substitution, you need to completely switch over to the new variable.
You still have 5ˣ in the denominator.
You can convert that to u.
yeah how do I get rid of it XD
u = 5ˣ + 2, right?
ye
You're replacing 5ˣ, right?
yes
So, solve u = 5ˣ + 2 for 5ˣ to see what to replace it with.
I got lost lol
how do I solve u = 5^x +2 for 5^x
Do you know how to solve u = x + 2 for x?
you mean x = u-2 ?
Right.
oh I see
So, do the same sort of thing with u = 5ˣ + 2 for 5ˣ.
u-2
and do the integral of that ?
Yes.
Right, and the 1/log(5) is a constant that can come out in front of the integral.
Chai T. Rex
hmm I think I should separate the fractions right ?
Yes.
it becomes easier
it looked easy but I don't know it just keeps involving more steps lol
@alpine sable Sorry, this channel is busy.
ok sorruy
Almost.
I hope I didn't mess up the sign
1/(2u) - 1/(2(u + 2))
When writing fractions in text chat, you should surround the top and bottom with parentheses unless they're a single number or single variable.
will do
yeah I messed up the sign sorry
And you're right about taking out the 1/2.
I am left with (1/(u)-1/(u+2))
one sec
is it ln(u) - ln( u+2) ?
multiplied by the things I left outside
the integral
and never forget +c ofcourse
Yes, that's right.
Chai T. Rex
Now you just need to convert u to x.
ye
Oh, yeah.
thank you a lot 
Chai T. Rex
can someone help me understand and how to do this?
can you find the derivative of h(x)?
if x = -1 I could do -3/-3x^2
and find the derivative of -3/-3x^2
maybe.
-3 / (-6x) = h'(x)
which is 1/2x = h'(x)
or am I flat out wrong
no, thats not really how it works
if you plug in -1, you are basically differentiating h(-1) which is, technically speaking, a completely different function
basically, here you just treat f(x) as a variable
but the catch is that f(x) is dependent on x
Im pretty sure you use the chain rule
so as you are differentiating with respect to x, you also have to differentiate f(x)
which is f'(x)
wait sorry, need to rethink this
technically you're not wrong, thats also another way of saying it
anyway, mattnye, do you know how to differentiate a rational function?
I do not I believe
quotient rule?
so you do know product rule?
yes
wait,
if h(x) = f(x)/(-3x^2)
then,
(-3x^2)h(x) = f(x)
differentiate both sides, you only need to find it at -1
you already know h'(-1)
and you know h(-1) too
you can use the chain rule
So each letter is a digit?
do different letters necessarily stand for the same digit?
there is a short (ish) solution that involves modular arithmetic
F can be 1, 5 or 6
Interesting
if the answer to my clarifying question is yes, there is only one solution. if not, there are two.
okay i kind of lied about it involving modular arithmetic
let n = DEF, then n(n-1) must be divisible by 1000.
so either n or n-1 is a multiple of 125, and the other must then be a multiple of 8
nope
Nani?
different letter=different letter from another letter
if like yeah
a is 1 then 1x1
and b cant be 1
There are four solutions, one with unique digits.
@tawny lantern channel busy please move
four?!
poog
Yes.
so how?
can this solution be a guesswork?
Find all the fs that work.
guess the numbers that can fit?
hha yeah...
You then have the possibilities for fs. Then (10e + f)² - (10e + f) is a multiple of 100.
Find all e f pairs that work.
You then have the possibilities for efs. Then (100d + 10e + f)² - (100d + 10e + f) is a multiple of 1000.
Combine the ef pairs with all possibilities for d.
See which work.
alr
Then do def² for each to see what abcdef is.
You'll get four defs.
So, four abcdefs.
Yes, like f² - f is a multiple of 10, right?
yes
So, 0² - 0 = 0. That's a multiple of 10, so f can be 0.
1¹ - 1 = 0. That's a multiple of 10, so f can be 1.
2² - 2 = 2. That's not a multiple of 10, so f can't be 2.
And so on.
chai, how exactly did you conclude there are 4 solutions?
Well, there are four solutions for f.
ohhhh
And then it turns out each of them has a solution for ef.
i picked one and tested it
that isn't what you said at the start
And so on for def.
one of the 1s are 625
625 x 625?
think i got it
=390625?
DEF works perfectly
abc=390
||0,1,141376,390625||
def 625
No problem.
@oak chasm those first two are not six-digit numbers
yeah so it doesnt work right?
exactly my point, but chai seems to insist it does
It depends on whether you consider it to be or not.
those two violate the convention in cryptarithm problems that the leading digit of every number involved isn't zero
those are the grounds on which i am objecting
Ahh, OK.
How do I prove that 3 back to back natural number's average is not a whole number
Here is what I have come up with
But it is not a proof IMO
??
if you mean the average of a, a+1 and a+2, that's just a+1
which is a whole number always
did you mean the average of three consecutive perfect squares?
Yes my bad
okay, so your work is fine (i hope)
Look at my picyure thats what I mean
you can simplify (3a^2+6a+5)/3 into a^2 + 2a + 5/3
5/3 is not an integer while a^2 + 2a is
Aahh true thanks
How do I prove that a factorization of a polynomial is unique?
I've tried to prove by contradiction but can not find a way to solve with it
What do you mean by unique?
2x^2+14x+20
=2(x^2+7x+10)
=2(x+2)(x+5)
=(2x+4)(x+5)=(x+2)(2x+10)
Does the last two expressions act as the same thing in your argument?
I gave an example
ummm... I think no
I will consider 2(x+2)(x+5) as the final step
I see
I mean p(x)=c_1*(x+k_1)(x+k_2)...(x+k_n)=c_2(x+q_1)(x+q_2)...(x+q_n) iff q_i=k_i for all i and c_1=c_2
I seee
I don’t know much about proofs but I am trying to help
Does this statement say anything about if q_1 and q_2 for example swithced places?
Like k_1=q_2 and k_2=q_1
Yes, I think it's already well ordered
Does this help in some way?
you could represent 3 consecutive squares alo by (x-1)^2 +x^2 +(x+1)^2
it cancels things out faster
let me check
Whats the point of the C matrix?
it doesnt seem to be used at all?
Send somewhere else please this one’s occupied
ok
Guys cmon
I don't think so becuz q and k is not restrict to integer
Lol idk what factor theorem has to do with integers
All I know it means that roots tell us factors
I mean I don't have r(x) in my representation of p(x)
What I mean is that I don’t think the only if is appropriate as they can switch positions and they would still be equal
i see
Lol what’s r(x)
I hope I am helping in some way
remainder
Umm
What I mean is can you somehow get from the point that the roots of the polynomials don’t magically change so it would imply the same thing for the factors?
Idk I think a more advanced person could help I guess that’s all I can suggest
How about I order in a form that q_1<=q_2<=...q_n and so do k
Yeah I guess that’s good
ummm... if the case that p(x)=0 imply x=-k_i for some i, becuz p(x) also equal to c2(x+q1)(x+q2).... ,then there exist (q_n-k_i)=0 for some n
thus q_n=k_i
and since the order we just construct before, we can show that k_i =q_i for all i ?
Idk from where your q appears in this argument but I think this just became more advanced from me to comprehend
Where are the advanced people in this channel?!!!!!
I guess that is my answer and the case is closed
I think this channel is free to use now
Yaaay
yay
my physics teacher is so bad at teaching, can someone just tell me which formula to use for this question?
Who ping me 5 times?🤨
@quick echo The linear speed here is the tangential velocity and the formula that relates the centripetal acceleration to tangential velocity is a_c = v^2 / r, where v is our tangential velocity.
Since our tangential velocity at the start is v_i, lets name the corresponding centripetal acceleration a_ci = (v_i)^2 / r
The new tangential velocity is (v_i)/4, and so the new corresponding centripetal accelration is A_c = [(v_i)/4]^2 / r = (v_i)^2 / 16r
But we also know that a_ci = (v_i)^2 / r, so we plug that in our new acceleration, and we get A_c = a_ci / 16
So the new centripetal acceleration is 1/16th of the previous centripetal acceleration.
I did it for u so that u could understand and hopefully try any other questions like these urself.
its fine im generally good at math
nice
thnx btw
np
hello
i have a stupid question.....
i got a geometric sequence of (1\2)(5/6)^2n-2
i am just trying to get it down to (5/6)^2n so that i can a sum
when i break down that exponet, how is it supposed to look? im very bad at this honestly
is it (5/6)^-2 and (5/6)^2n?
Yes
okay, what do i do with the (5/6)^-2 then
do i multiply that by the (1/6)
because im trying to get the odd probabilities of this pmf
or would the exponet be positive here?
for the one thats being removed away
my teachers ones looks likes 7s
just letting you know lol
i just dont understand how the exponet that is being broken off is not negative
but positive there
if anyone could help me that would be great for some closure lmao
hi lads, im taking math lessons overseas in turkey and unfortunately nobody in my class is speaking turkish, if someone could kindly explain this bit to me would be very appericiated
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