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ye
ye
You should just read into factors of integers
ok
Hi
hi
can someone please help me to rearrange this equation
i want Cp0 to be the subject
and its not working out with me
This is horribly typed
what do you mean
What did you try?
Is that supposed to be $Cp^{0}$? Or $Cp_{0}$?
dldh06
oh
i did this but its not working out
So it's a subscript?
but i keep getting it wrong
You made Cp0 the subject
How would you do a limit question forexample
when x -> 0
for something like 2/x
what would it be
thank you
sorry for this really easy question
ohhh right mb, tyy
<@&268886789983436800> can i get screen share so i can stream math
Role added
need help im legit just confused
I have a question
Is that from IXL
Pain if it is
IXL is pain
ixl?? idk what that is this is on webwork
Oh cool
ixl is a math practise site
Like webwork you could say
ahh cool
Anyways I remember something like that question from kumon
Of course that was a while ago
IXL learning? Does it have English Science and Math sections? I think I may know what application your referring too
If not nvm
for y = 5, find the value of c given that the curves intersect
I want to know how to solve it too
i need some more explanation idk
well here's a graph with an arbitrary value of c
you want your function to be continuous, so you'd want to choose c such that they "intersect" (they dont really of course) at y=5 (or here x)
oh i see i see
F(4) is constant so its derivative wrt x is 0
h=f(g(x))
Mathematically
I figured that out after I asked haha, thank you however for the reply!
@alpine sable , @vale wigeon , and @alpine sable . In case this helps...you can count the answer to this combinatorially by counting the complement via the Principle of Inclusion and Exclusion and subtracting from the total. The total would be 4^3 since we're essentially finding the number of functions from {x_3, x_4, x_5} to {y_1, y_2, y_3, y_4}. Now we count the complement. So consider y_3 or y_4 isn't mapped to. Then we note that if y_4 isn't mapped to, we have 3^3 since that's the number of functions from {x_3, x_4, x_5} to {y_1, y_2, y_4}...similar can be said for y_3 not being mapped to. But then we realize we've overcounted the complement since it could've been that y_3 AND y_4 wasn't mapped to. When y_3 and y_4 isn't mapped to, we have 2^3 since that's the number of functions from {x_3, x_4, x_5} to {y_1, y_2}. Thus the answer is given by the following expression.
logician
that^ is the value of n
I am not sure what I did wrong here, I need to find the area of thay section
I got -60 but since it is above the X-axis, I thought it would be 60 but was wrong
<@&286206848099549185>
do you have the answer to this
your integral was not set up properly
notice that relative to the y-axis, x=y^2-5y+20 is under the line x=3y+8
and not the opposite
so the integrand should be 3y-8 - (y^2-5y+20)
also channel seems occupied, you should move (referring to fwa)
sorry!
np 👍
Would you be able to show this on paper? I am not accustomed to Y variable of the acis
the line stays above the parabola relative to the y axis
so your order of subtraction is off
hi i need help
hi i need sleep
in all seriousness tho, ask your question and explain what you've done to attempt to answer your question
If the weight of 12 sheets of thick paper is 40 grams, how many sheets of the same paper would weigh 2500 grams?
i havent done anything
okay
this is all about proportions
so how I'd solve this is via the following equation
solve for x
logician
Oh okay, so it is the same as the X-axis, just that I should rotate the graph?
Okay, I also have another question
I am starting to assume the total area is 0 since they are symmetrical and one is above the x axis and one is below
<@&286206848099549185>
They're asking for the shaded area, and not the integral (sadly)
I don't understand
Don't we find the area using the integral?
Integral means signed area, which is to say that anything below the x-axis is negative, potentially cancelling out anything above it
I think he tried getting the area and it returned incorrect
I did, yes
I multiplied the 2.837 by 2 since they are symmetrical
Since I am finding the shaded area and not the signed area, wouldn't my math be correct for the second attempt @gray gorge ?
CodeK
@long magnet do not spam questions channels.
The picture of the graph is misleading - the area will be very large. 2.837 is wrong. It's hard to see what you are doing, what techniques are you using for the integral?
Well, that was my second attempt. For my second attempt, I kept both functions separated and took the integral of both separately. In my first attempt, O combined the 2 functions when looking for intersections and integrated just one function and I got a very high number there
So you used u-sub or ibp?
pls help solve question 5.i
Yess!
transpose 3 and 2 on the other side
We will take both 3 and 2 and put it on the other side of the equals to sign and change the signs of 2 and 3 from division to multiplication.
yes
3 & 2 with 1 + 2y and 3 with y - 1
yes
How?
yes
wait are you telling that we are multiplying the whole equation with 6?
and why
yes
i got a solution can i show you
you are missing a ton of parentheses here.
and also something went horribly wrong with the multiplication itself.
in that y-1 portion i was about to tell
what exactly did you attempt to do there as your first step?
multiply both sides by 6?
pls wait a bit
...okay
then say whatever else you were going to say.
@whole sluice i'm waiting lol
thanks for waiting a "bit"
i don't know how long "a bit" is supposed to be
Kekw
and you didn't say anything about what you were doing exactly
were you redoing the problem from scratch? were you trying to continue from the work you presented? you said nothing about that, so i had no way of knowing.
What are u stuck on or confused by?
I do not know if this is correct
The question is to symbolize the statement using quantifiers, predicates, and logical connectives
<@&286206848099549185>
what method am I supposed to use for this
looks like the change of base formula might help.
can I not use partial fraction?
you don't have a polynomial at this moment, so no.
it is a polynomial tho
in the numerator, i mean.
yeah ex, e square x and e cube x
sure but it's in the base, so unless you simplify it into ax^n for natural n's, it's not a polynomial.
yeah so I can write dx / xlogex.loge square x. log e cube x right?
so it won't be in the base anymore
not sure what this means, try using log_a for the base a in plain text
basically what I'm saying is iwhatever is in numerator can be taken in the denominator other than dx, so that it can be converted into a polynomial without the bases
but yeah you can use $\log_b(a)=\frac{1}{\log_a(b)}$ into here
Al𝟛dium
yes, all i said it's that it wasn't a polynomial what you had at that moment, not that you couldn't simplify it into one
ah ok thanks!
now that it's a polynomial I can use partial fraction and do it yeahM
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@alpine sable thanks man how did I miss that lol
having trouble on approaching how to solve this problem
you are given 5 numbers on a consecutive range from 15 to 19
how would you choose them such that the sum of all choices you make are 100
find longest and shortest solution
you can make a choice on a number you already chose before
look, what you have is $\int\frac{1}{x\ln(ex)\ln(ex²)\ln(ex³)}\dd x$ and by using the log laws $\int\frac{1}{x(1+\ln(x))(1+2\ln(x))(1+3\ln(x))}\dd x$
@vital pine
Al𝟛dium
i'm sorry for invading
this channel is occupied, please read #❓how-to-get-help @deep scroll .
Uh ok
yeah i got that thanks!
do you know how to continue from here?
this is the solution I git
got*
thanks for your help! @alpine sable I was going nuts tryanna solve this since yesterday
The question is to symbolize it by using quantifiers, predicates, and logical connectives.
Can someone help?
yw.
what's the problem ? @glass hare
Symbolize the statement
the statement Some Triangles are Scalene
Im not sure if my answer is correct
I'd guess you need "in"
in?
like set membership, but that doesn't sound right
I don't know, do you have a similar example where you know the answer?
aha
no I think you got it right
unless you assume x is predicate it's the only option
hi uh can someone help please
its study for an exam and i don't know how to do it
like at all
Have you set up the differential equation?
but
Remember that acceleration is dv/dt
So the particle is fully described by:
but velocity is just v
dv/dt = k(4 - v^2)
Yes, I suppose both sides are a way to represent the acceleration
How much differential equations do you know? This is an example of one.
In that the derivative of v is equal to a function of v itself
ok
that kinda does make sense
but i still don't understand
the answers
say this
i know why they use half
cause you need v not 2v
I am not understanding it haha. wtf is x here? What does d(1/2 v^2)/dx get?
wait i kinda get it
ok ok
idk why tf x is there
which is v stupid
but anywaysssssss
they're using 1/2 because
when u differentiate v^2
it becomes 2v
so they half it
Right. So the left becomes v(dv/dx)
Oh kek. I forgor that v(dv/dx) = a
Where x is indeed displacement
So all is good, the left side is indeed a
And v^2 = 4 + Ae^(-2kx) does indeed fit the condition in the question
yeaaa i get thatttt
Sorry I'm not great with dms. Feel free to ping though
oohhhh
okkkk
das okkk
are you
any good
w vectors
by chance
i'm struggling with those too
Ye
i never understood vectors tbh
sooo
uhhh
yea
does vector L's tail at point L?
or is the arrow there
period.
Green represents vector b.
Red represents vector c.
It's ideal to generally think of all vectors as coming from the origin
You might then wonder why I drew grey as not coming from the origin
ohhh so the vector is classified by the point the arrow is at
but grey
is the resultant
vector
right?
Very nice you know where I'm going with this
Specifically, you get this equation:
Red + Grey = Green
Rearranging that, and putting labels:
Grey = b - c
Now, I want to go up to point C,
Then go only half-way to point B.
Which I can do with:
C + Grey/2
That gets me L. With me on that one?
Of course, I have a better label for grey:
L = c + Grey/2
L = c + (b - c)/2
L = (b + c)/2
So, it's neat to find that the midpoint of B and C is given by the average of b and c
hey guys i just finished my math exam and i have a lil question
Just generally handy to draw and label all of the arrows you'll need, all of then either start at the origin or at other vectors
Then write any loops you have as an eqaution
a rectangular wire of length and breadth 7 cm and 9 cm respectively is made into a square so what is the side of the square
i have written square root 63 because side of square is square rooted area is this correct?
What is the breadth of a wire? haha
yeah root 63 sounds right
yes but 2(l+b) = 2(9+7) = 16*2 = 32 and a square as 4 sides so 32/4 = 8. sooo are both right coz in what i wrote its root 63 but in the second one its root 64
Yes
oh yeah
is what i wrote correct
guys whats 1+1
2
10
Alright so Im doin this problem right? and the angle for c is clearly 45 degrees, but it doesnt show the degrees for B. Since it's a right angle I thought "hmm it's clearly 90 degrees plus 45 degrees (which equals 45) then 180 - 45 (which equals 135) and the answer I submitted was wrong. Why?
wait-
OHHHHH
Oh my gosh I'm stupid, I completely missed that
thanks for pointing that out
np
i need help
a
now this angle i don't understand, what is this
i just need to know the degrees on the angle for A I'll do the rest
90 degrees
look at the angle
its a kind of squarey instead of the normal curve when showing an angle
means its 90 degrees
soo
so: 180 - 90 - 34.. right?
both are right
its 56
hm, I must've did something wrong
180-90 = 90 ...... 90 - 30 = 60 ....... 60 - 4 = 56 ................basic math dude
u mean x
?
if im right the value of x is just 1
x^2 = 0+255 .............. x^2 = 255.................. x= square root of 255 = 15.9
hm so u transposed it?
yup
225, in which case it's +-15
oh-
yea that was my answer (with the big help of itsjustnai) with completing the square thingy
yup
when it's simple as x^2 = a constant you don't bring quadratic formula with a,b,c in
just take +- root 225
i see
OH WAIT
huh-
ROOT OF 225 is 15 . sorry i read the 225 as 255
its ok XDD
hm so technically my answer is just the same? x=15 and x=-15?
yea
cuz we had to answer the same thing but solve it byy completing the square
i see
do you know how to square root anyways just askin
yep
cool
u can
ok ty
go ahead
expanded (x+3)^2 is as its griz said (x+3)(x+3)
it will then look like
(x+3)(x+3) = 16
i see
there's an easier solution to expanding
@unique fjord
sorry
@unique fjord heres a hint distributive method
nah its fine
again, square of something is a constant, you take root of that, so x+3 = +- 4
what a smart guys vee
oh
o h
wait but isnt that completing square?
idk
umm @cinder mantle continue..
but like i cant even use the quadratic formula?
you can, a lot more work tho
u expand it so it becomes (x^2+6x+9)=16
with expanding u do
(a+b)(a+b)
it will look like
a*a + a * b + b * a + b * b
ultiamtely resulting in a^2 +2ab+b^2
we can apply this to (x+3) ^2 where a=x b=3
hence the result (x+6x+9)
@unique fjord does this make sense
uh-
i have an easier method -
(x-3)^2 = 16
lol
(x-3)(x-3) = 16
so we will use the distributive formula in another way
so
x(x-3) - 3(x-3) = 16
wait guys
nothing
so then we will just use the normal distributive formula
2x-3x - 3x+9 = 16
5 x - 3x +9 = 16
2x+9 = 16
2x = 16-9
2x = 7
x = 7/1
7/2
i think
same method, but you made a mistake, x^2 not 2x
wait- my dad is explaining it to me at the same time as you-
ahahahhahahah
that is actually a really good way of explaining it
Anyone free to help
what u got cuz
my question is in 3
my dad just multiplied x+3 with x+3 in a grade 1 style like
. x+3
. x+3
. -----
. 3x+9
x^2+3x
=x^2+6x+9
and then transposed the 16 to the other side-
i see
i like math but its just hard to memorize
its easy to understand, i just cant remember anything right after that
thats where ur wrong dont memorize!
moved the 16 to the other side would be better phrasing, transposed has an actual meaning
oooh
wait so how then
internalize?
the thing about math is u dont need to memorize u need to remember
like u gtta remember that + changes to - after tranposing
and vice versa
when you practice enough you naturally know how to do things
i agree with u
im lost
how does a score from b??
row i column j is 1 if i connects to j
B goes to A, so the B row and the A column get a 1 where they meet
oh true
Are u available rn?
ye
you really gotta find that with a scietific calc
I got one
I need working out
apparently its 3 root 2
yea i guess
yep
in college u get to use a scientific calc i think
when u say apparently, did you find out how to do it?
he got it from the internet therefore he has the ability to use apparently
No i mean does he still need help with figuring it out?
do you @woven shale
yeah
whithout that table how do u get root 3 over 2
?
do u not use the unit circle?
yea im pretty sure u gotta use the unit circle]
If it asks for exact values don't use approximations
i thinks its the unit circle
so first quad is theta=alpha where alpha is the related acute angle
2nd quad is alpha = 180˚-theta
3rd quad is alpha = 180˚+theta
4th quad is alpha = 360˚-therta
theta is the angle given in this case, 120
yep
and 120 falls in which quadrant?
2nd
yep
sin 60 degrees
k
yw
Consider a square with vertices at (1, 1), (-1, 1), (-1, -1) & (1, -1) Let S be the region consisting of all points inside the square which are nearer to the origin than to any edge Sketch the region S & find its area
How do i sketch this?
bruv
Let S be the region consisting of all points inside the square which are nearer to the origin than to any edge Sketch the region S & find its area
this part
Oh yeah, sorry I just woke up lol
Lmao np
<@&286206848099549185>
Occupied 
ill see thanks
this is using the cosine rule
what is the cosine rule?
soz i didnt mean to ping helpers
mybad
yep
a and be are the two sides either side of them which is 8 and 7
chuck that all in the formula u get ur c^2
Ok then root
correct
and answer
Ty once again
yw :)
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hey so here I don't understand how we multiplied cos(theta)sin(theta) with [cos(theta)/sin(theta). + sin(theta)/cos(theta)] to get cos^2(theta)+sin^2(theta)=1
is it because we multiple cos and sin both sides to give this?
no, they just rewritten cot(x) and tan(x) in terms of sin(x) and cos(x), thats all
in regards to the final answer
i understand the cot and tan rewritten
what i dont understand is the ones in the bracket of second part :/
which ones in the brackets?
cos(theta)/sin(theta) + sin(theta)/cos(theta)
then again
like i have said
they just rewrote cot(theta) and tan(theta) thats all
and then they expanded the thing
how did this give cos^2 theta + sin^2
by expanding the brackets
notice that cos(theta)/sin(theta) cancels out with the sin(theta) in cos(theta)sin(theta)
equivalently for sin(theta)/cos(theta)
ohh wait i see
but how does it square up if they both cancel out
*or expand to cos^2theta+sin^2theta=1
waler
similarly for the second term
FFFFF this makes a lot of sense, Thank you so much!!
this cant be factorised right? a(b+c)-d(b+c)
what info are you given?
Just that
no
Then you cant solve it
just that question and i'm pretty sure the information relating to that would just be in like a data table you can search up
Yeah, so search up the density and bulk modulus of each material
then plug into the formula
so what exactly is the formula?
$v=\sqrt{\frac{B}{\rho}}$
Mosh
for bulk B and density rho
is there like a formula sheet where i can get like all the formulas for a certain topic?
.
Like it is just all over the place, and some of them I have no idea without a formula sheet
Not google, but like a data sheet all
Lol
@glass lichen Wait how do you know the formulas of by heart?
Ask your prof about a formula sheet, or check the textbook
If there is a multivariable function which is not continuous at a point will its partial derivatives exist?
partial derivatives don't imply continuity, but continuity does imply partial derivatives
if m+n is even, then m and n have the same parity
even and odd
is the parity of the integer
yes
though m and n dont have to be the same number
i tried to substitute sint=u and then integrate why is that wrong?
in the correction they prefer i take into account the trigonometric rules
but yeah, m+n is even means either m and n are odd, or they are even. however if m and n are odd, mn is odd
so m and n need to be even
did you change the upper and lower bounds
And did you account for the absolute value bars?
i got the answer as 1 i maybe wrong though
wait mb
I havent done integration in school yet so please check my answer
its coming
,r
,rotate
Is that modulus?
abs value
Multiply divide by 2 then make 2sinx cosx to sin2x , them split integral in postitive and negative part
allahs goat this server is busy
oh
you dont
you change the bounds
bounds?
however you havent done a sub there, so nothing changes
they change the interval when they change the trig identities
do you agree with that statement?
@glass lichen
they skipped steps
damn that makes sense
but i am still not getting the same resuly
resuly
result
this is how i did it
you can't ditch the abs value bars
oookey damn
it may help to look at a graph of the function
still when i integrate sin ( ) i get minus cos. the abs bar makes it plus cos. cos 2pi - cos 0 is still 0
you can't really integrate over the absolute value like that
$\int |f(x)| \dd{x} \neq \big|\int f(x) \dd{x}\big|$
damn
ℝamonov
it may help to look at a graph of the function
and consider what's happening geometrically
that is a graph of y = |sin(2x)| from 0 to 2pi
what's ds
ds is length
the period is 2 times shorther
wdym
there are other channels
sin (2x) compared to sin x is has a shorter period
agree?
yeh.
do you have any issue accepting that the above graph is of what I said it is
May I ask why not do a u=sin t substitution?
you still need to deal with the abs val bars in one way or another
in the correction they are not prefering it but i tried it and got 0 as anwser and thats wrong
omg
i got it
because of the abs bar i to add when i normally should subtract
right?
very bad wording
can u attach where it is bad wording so i can rewrite
because of the abs bar i to add when i normally should subtract
the whole thing is bad and unclear
and it may also seem in one interpretation you are still misunderstanding
usually sin 2t looks like this
because of out abs bar it looks like your attachment
in my exercise they are asking me to determinate the area of the function, where the interval is t € (0,2pi)
im pretty stupid but why not break the intervals from 0 to pi to pi to 2pi
sorry
its all love brother
it looks like you're still fudging it
the worked solution is supposed to be a relatively clear way to solve it
you're making a crap ton of random arbitrary splitting and illegal sign adjustments
that i can't even begin to describe
ok damn
ok think i need to go back to basics but thanks for your help
don't try and integrate over absolute values like that
it doesn't end well
going back, do you have any issue accepting that my graph is of what I said it is
i dont have any issue that your graph represent (sin (2x))
are you familiar with the relation between the the definite integral and the signed area between a curve and the x-axis?
or what people refer to as the signed area under a curve
i am not familiar with signed area under the curve
what about just area under the curve
i am familiar with area under the curve
when calculating the area from the integral, stuff above the x-axis is counted as positive, under the x-axis is counted as negative
i 100% agree with that statement
e.g. if you were to integrate
y = -1 from x=0 to 1,
you'd get -1 which is the signed area
instead of 1 which would be the actual area
yes i agree
that's more or less the difference
anyway moving on
note that the period of |sin(2x)| is pi/2
as indicated from the graph above
i agree that the half period is from t €(0,pi/2)
are u telling the that from 0 to pi/2 its a whole period?
the period of sin(x) is 2pi
the period of sin(2x) is pi
the period of |sin(2x)| is pi/2
or should i forget the term
because as indicated by the graph i made,
i agree with that
the graphed function |sin(2x)| repeats every pi/2
yes
agree
so to calculate one of those regions you can integrate |sin(2x)| from x=0 to pi/2
since you're considering 0 < x < pi/2, then 0 < 2x < pi
the sin of 2x will be positive and the absolute value bars can be removed now
only then should you actually do the integration
thanks for your patience with me
Hey ho, don't need much help, just need to clarify a concept.
Usually functions like this start with a y in the beginning, but this time it's in the middle, do I still solve it the same way?
Hello. Yes, it represents the same relation between x and y, it's just been rearranged
Help: Find positive intergers a,b such that: (a+1)^2-4b and (a-1)^2-4(b-a+1) are square numbers.
Thank you!
@vital snow Use the formula for a straight line, y - y_1 = m(x - x_1) where (x_1,y_1) is a point on the line/a point the line goes through.
and m is the slope
then would i put it back into y=mx+b?
no
@shell widget
They tell you that the line you want is parallel to y=mx+c so that you can know what the slope of your line will be
the slope will be the same on the parallel line right?
@vital snow The slope of the line required(which passes through the point (a,b)) will be same as the slope of the line y=mx+c
And that slope is "m"
i don’t understand what point (a,b) is for
Plug it in the equation y - y_1 = m(x - x_1)
This is the equation for a line with slope m and goes through point (x_1, y_1)
so y-b=m(x-a)
Yes
and then isolate y?
ok
?
perpendicular line’s slope is -x/m
slope will be negative reciprocal of m
-1/m
and then same thing, plug the point and the slope in y - y_1 = m(x - x_1)
you forgot that (x_1, y_1) is (a,b)
y-b=(-1/m)(x-a)
If u want
Are rectangles inscribed in a right triangle usually solved using optimization
747 digits were used to number the pages of the book. how many pages were there in the book? can anyone help me with this?
How would I solve this particular YouTube problem if they didn’t ask for the largest rectangle area
Find the area of the largest rectangle that can be inscribed in a right triangle with legs of lengths 3 cm and 4 cm if two sides of the rectangle lie along the legs.
No the goal is to solve not the largest
so yes, you'd make a function that incorporates the dimensions of the triangle into the computation and then take the derivative
I have a similar hw question
it says it there
But I don’t want to post that one
if in your HW you are not looking for the largest, it isn't the same problem
if no size restriction is stated, anything goes
what ramonov said, which is the same as i told you in discussion
What I’m asking is how do I solve this question if they didn’t have a size restriction
just use geometry and trig
we can't say anything else if you don't show the actual problem
if no size restriction is stated, anything goes
cuz we don't know what you are given nor what you need
the best you'd get is an expression for area in terms of variables
"trig and geom" is the best we can tell you
which is more or less what i suspect they'd start with in the vedior before optimisation
are they copyrighted by your school or something?
No don’t want to get in trouble for cheating
homework is usually ok. tests are not
Yeah but my school is wack
you could make a drawing in which you indicate which quantities are known and which ones are sought after, without any numbers
just assign them letters
Alright I’ll do that
then people here can help you set up your equations
That’s actually a good idea
,rotate
apply properties of similar figures to express y in terms of x
Essentially:
16-y/x=16/10
why 16-y/x
The upper triangle length
ℝamonov
Yes I am
which is pretty much meaningless
Y
why did you think that gives a ratio of 16/10
and how are similar figure being applied
the blue segment and green segment aren't even sides in the same shape
instead you should simply consider
the red triangle will be similar to the largest triangle
Wait okay so proportion should be 16-y/y=10-x/x
overcomplicating it
why not just focus on the red triangle instead of wandering to the triangle in the top left for some strange reason
no
and also please use parentheses around your numerators and denominators to make them clearer
why not just focus on the red triangle instead of wandering to the triangle in the top left for some strange reason
yes, the ratio of the legs in the red triangle is y/x
what about the ratio of the legs in the largest triangle
yeh
Ok then what do I do next
express y in terms of x
well you have one side of the rectangle in terms of x
get the other side in terms of x
their product will be the area
division by 0
The triangle is equivalent to (y * 10) + {(x * y)/ 2} + {(16 - y) * 10)} = The Area of the triangle
You would be required to find equivalent sides on each end which will give you an expression of what the area of the triangle would be
did you find out fx and gx
What
what what?
the form ax+b / cx^2 + x + d doesnt have a horizontal asymptote unless c is equal to 0
@hybrid moon
that is, it is make sense that c=0, and that we have a form ax+ b / cx + d
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