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do you know what derivatives are yet
if not give this a skim
https://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/classes/calci/tangents_rates.aspx
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did you read this yet
should I learn calculus 2 and 3 first or linear algebra
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The following identities, known as the harmonic identities, are very useful in solving certain types of trig. equation.
Try and learn them. However, it is a good exercise to try and prove them.
They are all very similar in the method of proof and are based on the addition identities.
I would encourage you to look at how
but what is " R "here ?
tells you on the page
ya ya ty , my bad i overlooked
@worn fox is there any simpler way , like without using this indentity we can solve it ?
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Can someone explain me how the characteristic of a ring works?
Why is it useful?
I know that a ring A has char(A)=t means t is the smallest number such that 1+1+1+...+1 t times =0
But that means when I have something like t×a where a is an element from A it means that t×a=0?
Because it is a new concept for me
And it is confusing
Should I think about the characteristic of a ring like the order of 1 in the group (A,+)?
This is true so?
yes
And the characteristic of Z/nZ is just n right?
yes
well its just good to know what you are dealing with
rings with characteristic 2 and 3 can have wildly different properties
especially 2
Lets call char(A)=t and a an element from A. So that means a^t is 1?
no
Oh
Right
I understand
I need to get comfortable with the 0,1 notation
Thank you
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Oh my
Ow an arithmetic problem !
What's the latest maths chapter you have done so far ?
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Hcf and lcm
Ye
12 cakes cost £2.5
8 sausage rolls cost £1.2
We want more than 60 cakes and more than 60 sausage rolls
But we want to pay the same price
And the minimum amount as well
Here I wrote a concise version of the problem
What's the price of 24 cakes ?
Internet is acting up so uh i may not get ur messages (hope this mssg delivers)
It delivers
£5
Right, now I'll be asking in general
If I let k be a positive integer
Then what's the price of 12*k cakes ?
12 cskes cost 2.5 so 12k cakes will cost 2.5xk
Right
The exercise states that we want more than 60 cakes, so what would be the something you could do based of this ?
Im confused on how to use hcf and lcm here
So ill just forget bout them
Anyway so
Good thing, discovering where to use it is always a great way to approach a concept !
Um well 60 cakes cost 12.5
Um im getting 9
Can you show your work ?
Wait nvm 11.25
Can you show your work ?
It was 1.2 pounds, per sausage box
Not 1.5
12 cakes cost £2.5
8 sausage rolls cost £1.2
We want more than 60 cakes and more than 60 sausage rolls
But we want to pay the same price
And the minimum amount as well
I copypasted the concised version
Thanks, yup it was 9, I just wondered how you dealt with it
Wait
Can we still continue
If u want
Of course
oh
If you don't give up already of course
Nice, warrior
)-: thank you
There was something fishy about that
Not that it was wrong
But do you see what the 7.5 represents ?
It was the result of 60 (sausage rolls) by 8 (sausage rolls per box), so it represents a number of ?
Boxes

Though, 0.5 boxes is ...
Meh
If they are bought per box, it's because these sausage rolls can't be separated from their box
8, 16, 24, 32, 40, 48, 56, ... 64 !
64 is the integer which is after 60 and is a multiple of 8
Remember, we want to pay the same price
Here is a representation which could help you
You want to figure out when a multiple of 2.5 is the same than a multiple of 1.2, when you simplify the exercise
An other thing I'll indicate to you is
We are comparing decimals here, but you use the lcm function for two integers
So I suggest you to make the problem be between integers
The problem becomes, indeed, about calculating the lowest common multiple between two integers. What are these two integers ? That should be the question you would ask yourself
Since you compare prices between each other, then let's multiply the prices by 10 in order to be able to compare their multiple as integers
£2.5*10=£25 and £1.2*10=£12
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😭 ok so, 12 cakes in 1 box which costs 2.50 pounds and so 60 cakes will be in 12.5 boxes and 1 box costs 2,50 so 12.5 will cost 31.25 and now 8 sausage rolls in each pack which cost 1.20 and so for 60 rolls, there will be 7.5 packs and 7.5 x 1.20 = £9
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Hi, why are these graphs different if the bottom two equations should be equal to the top one?
My work:
(2x/3)^(3/2) is not the same as (2/3)(x^(3/2))
ah
one second
Lmao thank you @fallen verge
I should have kept the parenthesis
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i need help
here's my work
I’m stuck at the last line
Do I just distribute now?
Or is that my final answer
why dont you try multiplying everything in the parentheses by 2x^(1/3) first
and then calculating the derivative
its so much easier that way
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ayyyy i didn't know you were here too :D
Of course I am! I knew you were there at the first place u know
Just came to be that you were at a place I looked at and boom
ohhhh
its just 12...
isnt it
g'(x) = 12 ?
yepp
That means g(x) = 12x+cst
That's when you know simplifying g would have been so much easier 
Indeed if you were to use power rules, you would have got g(x) = 12x-8
Hey
At least you'll remember to look for simplification first!
And you are welcome
By the way
That's what kernel was explaining to you there
Basically we're trying to tell you to... Go smort smort about it 
Does that make sense?
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hey, why is it wrong to just mulitply the two matrices that are given
so why is (AB)^-1 not A^-1*B^-1
it doesnt work right
so would the best route to take be inversing the matrices A^-1 and B^-1 then mulitplying them then inversing the result
the opposite of "putting on your socks and shoes" is "taking off your shoes and socks"
oh wait
$(AB)\inv = B\inv A\inv$
hayley!
ohhh
okay great
wait why is this the case
is it similar to how when finding the solutions using matrix equation you do
you can prove it fairly easily
okay I guess Ill try it eventually
$ABx = c$
hayley!
mhmm
hayley!
ahh
but do each one individually
but then yeah
youd get like matrix C
and then it would be the inverse of C mulitplied by c
is that what youre getting at?
A inverse
(that's not really standard but would be understood)
yeah
so like it shows (AB)^-1 = B^-1A^-1
yep
okok greatness
amazing
thanks
whats the proof called
the actual legit proof for it
uh good question
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|x+4| is always non-negative; at the very smallest, it is 0
so how small can the left side be?
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0?
it's 6|x+4| + 8
|x+4| can be zero
so the left is at least 6 * 0 + 8 = 8
which is greater than 7
so what do i have to do
we've just found that the left side is always at least 8
regardless of what x is
so it's >7, regardless of what x is
wait i just realize after the > is -
i thought that means no solution
@maiden glen
I don't see a minus anywhere
i minus 8 to the right
so if you subtract 8 from both sides, you get 6|x+4| > -1
6 is positive, and |x+4| is zero or positive, so the left side is zero or positive, which is greater than -1
so the inequality holds, regardless of x
oh yeah its only if equal sign
dont i also divided both sides by 6
you can do that if you want
but the product of two positive numbers is positive
and the product of anything with zero is zero
so the left is zero, or positive
x+4>-1/6
i thought u drop it and make the right side also positive
you're trying to find for which x the inequality holds
|x+4| is >= 0 for all x
almost by definition
-1/6 is negative
so |x+4|, which is >= 0, is certainly greater than -1/6
for all x
so the original inequality holds for all x
so whats the inequality
what are you asking
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Hey I'm taking AP Pre-Calculus this year as a Junior in High School. I was wondering which text book I should get to self-study, cause it's an AP class I don't know if I should get an AP Pre Calculus book or just a Pre Calculus textbook for self-study
James Stewart, Mathematics for Calculus will be a good pick
He is also authored the famous calculus book
Ooh thank you
THATS EXPENSIVEE
WHAT THE HECKK
Do any of you know how to do geometry 😭
magbe get a used copy?
I'm curious what makes you think you need to self-study instead of just using the material (and book!) your school provides you?
I struggle to follow along with school
I have the notes and everything
But I would like to strengthen my knowledge before the exam
It's not that I'm self-studying
to be fair sometimes external resources teach better than schools
books are good if you think you can learn from them; there are also a billion videos available talking about all of the concepts you'll see, if that's your style. Either way, you probably want to do practice problems with solutions
@tardy stag Do you know what AP Pre-calc is?
textbooks are great, as they contains tons of excercise to try
i have opinions about AP pre-calc (that it's weird since colleges don't offer credit for it, and that's kind of the whole point of AP classes) but I don't know the material in it
Do you know where I can get one online
Yes, but I can’t disclose here
Right, it was either AP or traditional this year
So I picked AP
Can you send me in dms
maybe try amazon idk
did you find it in google search?
Yah
yes
Do you think it matters if I get an AP Pre calc book
Or just a pre calc book that you sent
Cause AP Pre Calc books are specifically for the exam
well, precalc is all about practice
Yes
But AP Pre calc
Is about understanding the concepts and putting it into words
I thought AP books would help with that
On the exam
In my opnion, this book is best on precalc so far
It’s written specifically so to excel in calculus other than the usual pre-requisite for calc
I suppose it will work for AP too
Stewart Calc for AP calculus works so does this i hope
Okk
I’m gonna go look for books at my local library
@barren portal I made a 68 on my first stat test
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I'm confused on how to set up the linear function, and which information is relevant and if there is any irrelevant information.
If there are 0 maintenance calls, what is the cost?
If there is 1 maintenance call, what is the cost?
No...
How so?
Even if there are 0 maintenance calls, the cost is not 0.
Yes
You write it as C(x) = ...
No need to introduce a new variable y
When they tell you to write it as a function C of input x
Revenue is what you get when you charge customers
I have R(x)=50x but what about the fact that the max amount of calls is 90 per month
is that irrelevant in this question
It's not
If you want to include that information
You can write something like
[R(x)=\begin{cases}50x &\text{if } 0 \le x \le 90 \ 0 &\text{otherwise}\end{cases}]
Watson
Watson
okay
Would the same apply for this question like this?
or is it not needed in this case
okay, sick
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How would I find the equation whose roots are three times those of:
$$x^2-14x+45=0$$
Lex1729
Do you know Vieta’s formulas?
No
You could solve this equation first
Okay so the roots are x=5, and x=9
do you know the roots coefficients relation?
Like x1 and x2 being roots of the equation x^2-14x+45 satisfy x1+x2=14 and x1x2=45
Those are Vieta's formulas
yes I know
But I have seen cases where people just don't know the name they know the formulas
Lex doesnt know the formulas, I am clarifying that those are the ones (:
Oh yeah
wait but shouldn't a + b = -14?
depends on what your variables represent
also ideally don't use a,b here as those are usually used to represent the coefficients and constant in general form
That's strange cause my calculator says that the roots are x = 5 and x = 9
Have you substituted back in to check your answers
mistaken you are
Yeah it should be x = 9 and x = 5
x^2-14x+45 can be factored as (x-5)(x-9). Here x=5 and x=5 satisfy x^2-14x+45=0
Yes, if the roots are -9 and -5 then to get the answers you multiply by negative one
the roots are the solutions, which are the answers
if you want to factorise by splitting
then many would be more comfortable finding the pair that multiply to c=45 and sum to b=-14
(note that in this route, these pair of values don't actually represent the roots)
In that case I apologise for the misunderstanding
Alright so what would I do now after getting the roots?
Your goal is to find the equation with roots three times that of the original one
So the new roots have to be 3(x_1) and 3(x_2), or 3*5 and 3*9, since you found them
What should I use?
Do you know how to find a quadratic with these roots?
alright so m + n = -14
and mn = 45
Oh I see since my solutions are x = 5 and x = 9
can't I just multiply both solutions by three then factorise
like this
(x-15)(x-27) = 0
yeah
Yes, that way happens to be easy in this case, but if you were to use vieta’s formulas, that would also work
Oh ok
You’ve solved it
And alternatively If I were to use Vietas formula how would that work?
Suppose that the roots are x_1 and x_2. Then, x_1 + x_2 = 14 and x_1 x_2 = 45. The required coefficients of the new equation can be found like this:
new roots are 3x_1 and 3x_2, then 3x_1 + 3x_2 and 3x_1 * 3x_2 are the new coefficients
hold on
why is it x_1 + x_2 = 14 and not x_1 + x_2 = -14?
x_1 and x_2 are the solutions
In this case, 5 and 9
It comes from how you multiply out (x - r)(x - s) = 0
sum of roots = -b
(for monic quadratic, or more generally -b/a)
Oh I see
So using Vieta's formula It would be like this:
m + n = 14
mn = 45
then multiplying both sides by 3 on each equation
3m + 3n = 42
(3n)(3m) = 405
yes
not quite
from this, you get x^2 - (r + s)x + rs = 0
so you have to subtract the sum of the roots
Oh so x^2 -42x + 405
x²-14x+45=0
Or, x²-9x-5x+45=0
Or, x(x-9)-5(x-9)=0
Or, (x-5) (x-9)=0
Or, x-5=0
Or, x=5 ...(i)
Or, x-9=0
Or, x=9 ...(ii)
Yes, he already found the roots
Thanks for helping out 👍
no problem
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ignore the crosses on 10
forgot to remove those
okay so i’m unsure on how to find the amplitude and wavelength, considering i don’t have frequency
also unsure as to how i find amplitude
Are you meant to measure the amplitude
you can calculate the wavelength from the information given
how do i do that?
notice that the wave repeats
yep
so you can measure the length of the wave over one period
Including units is helpful
in the table it’s left blank so i was going off that lol
It’s written at the top
How did you get this?
How did you get the period?
it says 0.6s of time
for the full thing
so half is 0.3 since there’s 2 waves
right?
Yes
You’re right
but
when i times that by 6, it doesn’t equal velocity, or at least what it shows
it gives 20
consider the units
it’s like with that question about the momentum of the ball you did
the units had to be converted
so it’s best to get used to writing the units always when doing physics
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I solved this question but quite tediously
i solved it by expressing the internal hexagon's area as a function of x
and then chain ruled d(area)/dt
as da/dx * dx/dt
which is just da/dx * 3
i was wondering if there are more convenient solutions than what i have done here
and paardon for bad formatting
is this a high school math question
yep
Observe that the area of the hexagon is at a minimum after 10 seconds
Because it is 3*10 = 30 cm along the perimeter of the hexagon
It is asking for the instantaneous rate of change of the area after 10 seconds
Which means it is exactly halfway along the edge
yep thats what i had done
and the hexagon is just between growing and shrinking
Instantaneous isn't mentioned 
therefore the rate of change is 0
i mean i can understand that logically
but i have to prove it mathematically if that makes sense
You can prove it mathematically by saying that it is at a minimum, and the derivative at a minimum is always 0
ah fair
i guess teachers probably wont care enough to make me prove that area is minimum when half way
but that is identical to the explanation
you could say the side length is least
or appeal to symmetry?
mhm yeah ig
well i just wanted to see if theres any other big brain ways to do it
thats all, thx for the help
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Here they used tree diagram to do so, can you help to figure out alternatively and also help me with the reasoning of it?
can you show the tree diagram?
there is a very slightly better method
basically make a diagram of all possible intermediate scores
Is the quantity 5 choose 3 useful?
dunno
i did it without
make a diagram of all possible intermediate scores during the playoff and count the number of ways to get to each
like this
alr
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why does this approach negative infinity?
The top can be factored as (x^2 - 1)(x + 1), which is negative near 0
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e^1+lnx
What is the question ?
Probably the first since no Reason to specify ^1
In that former case it at least simplifies a bit nicely
there's no question here
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What's the slope of a line that makes 45° with the x-axis?
they are giving you data for 3 slopes.
You need to find the points where in the curve given, the tangent has that slope
Yeah right
So when does the slope of a line tangent to the curve y=x^2-5x+6 equals 1 ?
what?
i dont understand
but how
I mean x coordinate is 3 but the point is (x,y) so writr it in that form
-3
Yep
on the first one they gave you slope data in the angle with horizontal
on the second one, with the implicit function of another line
on the third, with another line and the "perpendicular" condition.
having the slope, as you've done in (a), you can compute where it happens
how do i go about calcualting it
i dont undersatnd why i even differentiuate it
why cant i use the original equation
The derivative gives you the slope of the tangent at each point
how so?
if you have the slope of the tangent, you can calculate the point
it's the definition of derivative, the slope of the tangent to a curve
y = 2x - 5
how is the slope of the tangent at each point
is it not the slope of the tangent at A point?
this is where i am confused
becuase y = 2x-5 doesnt move
its a single line
okay, what's the value of the derivative for x=0?
y = -5
,w graph x^2-5x+6
does it look like the tangent at 0 has slope -5?
repeat at x=2.5. What's the value of the derivative?
you had it right before
y=2x-5, so for x=2.5, y=0
does it look like the tangent at 2.5 has no slope (is horizontal)?
so when i do this with the derivative equation
the tangent equation
y gives me the slope
the derivative gives you the slope of the tangent wherever you want
not hte actual value
but only the slope of the tangent, not the actual tangent
y'=0
now, when they say something along the lines "the tangent is parallel to THIS", it means it has the same slope
so you know what the result of the derivative has to be, and have to compute where it happens
ic
instead of you saying "i want the slope at x=3", you do "my slope is y'=78, what x gives me that?"
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Hi
If the question said for
4.A x^2 +3x -4
B.i) y=1/2 x^2 +3/2x +2
.
What would the transformation be?
y= 1/2 f(x)
^ Is what I think it is
do you mean $y=\frac{1}{2x^2}+\frac{3}{2x}+2$
calculus is fun
and the one below it is $y=\frac{1}{2f(x)}$
calculus is fun
?
The one bellow y = 1/2 f(x)
oh so $y=\frac{f}{2}$
calculus is fun
This
ok wrong
yea wrong
Would it be then f (x/2)
But that doesnt make sense in my head because the 4 goes to the 2
and there is no x with 2
So it has to be
? f(x)
$f(x)=x^2+3x-4 \implies \frac{f(x)}{2}=\frac{x^2}{2}+\frac{3x}{2}-2$
calculus is fun
what i just typed is this
this is another story
here did you by any chance mean $y=\frac{x^2}{2}+\frac{3x}{2}+2$
calculus is fun
yes it is
it was -4 you divided by a positive number so sign doesnt change
yes exactly
Yes my bad
now f(x/2) is just f(x) but with every x replaced by x/2
.
Another question if you dont mind
So for the 2f(x)
Would it just be
2 x^2 + 6x - 8
.
For the -f (x)
Would it just be
-x^2 - 3x + 4
.
Is it possible to do
2 x^2 + 6x - 4 With somekind of y= f(x)
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2f(x) - f(x) = f(x) =x^2+3x-4
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Thats smart thank you sry for ping
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nvm
Doesnt work
Ill try and figure it out
Idk
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Hello
So for the 2f(x)
Would it just be
2 x^2 + 6x - 8
.
For the -f (x)
Would it just be
-x^2 - 3x + 4
.
Is it possible to do
2 x^2 + 6x +4 With somekind of y= f(x)
you're attempt is correct, yes
but I don't understand what this part is asking? 
2 x^2 + 6x - 4 With somekind of y= f(x)
Is it possible to change the x values
Only and leaving the 4 alone
If that makes sense
well that would be a whole different function then
f(2x) will get the closest but that'd be 4x2+6x-4
If you dont mind how do
f(2x) work
put 2x in for every x :)
Im a bit stuck on functions tehe
$(\textcolor{red}{2x})^2+3\cdot\textcolor{red}{2x}+4$
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that make sense? :)
It would be for ? x^2 +4x +4
Oh yes makes sense

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What kind of rule of pattern did this use
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How do I find conditional probability of Y given X
I cannot find any references or formulas online to do it so im confused how to proceed
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when do we need to calculate two eigenvectors for a repeated eigenvalue and when not
example being this case:
where we only have one eigenvector
but some repeated eigenvalues have two eigenvectors
you just need to find all of them, whatever that amount might be
there can be at most n eigenvectors for an eigenvalue, where n is the n that appears in (x-lambda)^n, the biggest power of (x-lambda) that appears in the char poly
but by that account (lambda -5)^2 should have two eigenvectors but in the answer sheet theres only 1 eigenvector given namely (1,-2)
"can be at most"
and how do you know if there are more you need to calculate?
theres no way in general to figure out how many there might be other than to solve the system and see how many linearly independent solutions you get
would you happen to have any pro and contra examples just to get a feel for it
You only "know" you're gonna get at least 1 eigenvector, and AT most "n" linearly independent eigenvectors for a given eigenvalue of degree n
Here I already know that without calculating the eigenvectors, there's only gonna be 1
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alright wait ill give it more of a try to figure this out and then come back, because im still not sure how you "know"
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does this have no domain?
it can take negative inputs, but the output would then be imaginary, so if working purely in the reals, then it has no domain i guess
oh alright, thanks
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Hi can someone help me with this
let z = a+ib
yea
the rest of the work is just algebra
I dont know but i will try to make two eqatuions
One i will assign it to 0 (equation = 0)
And the second i will assign it to i
just write z/(z-i) in the form x+iy
and show that y = 0
I think in a "show" question you cant really start off with what you're trying to prove
okk
lol gimme a sec i did smth wroin ggotta redo
I got an answer from chatGPT
Here it is:
To show that z is either imaginary or 0 when z/(z - i) is real, we can start by writing out the expression for z/(z - i) and simplifying it:
Let z = a + ib, where a and b are real numbers.
Now, z - i = (a + ib) - i = a + (b - 1)i.
Now, let's calculate z/(z - i):
z/(z - i) = (a + ib) / (a + (b - 1)i)
To make this expression real, the imaginary part of the denominator (b - 1) must cancel out. This means b - 1 = 0, or b = 1.
If b = 1, then z = a + i. In this case, z is imaginary.
If b ≠ 1, then b - 1 ≠ 0, and z/(z - i) will have a non-zero imaginary part, so z is not imaginary.
Therefore, z is either imaginary (if b = 1) or 0 (if b ≠ 1 and a = 0).
Idk if it is true or not
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What it wrote here is completely wrong
This is one way to do it
it's an or question
Is imaginary
^^
Also 0 is technically imaginary
ooo yea
i forgot it said the other equation was real i thoughnt it was z
okay
thxxx
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is that 0 and 1 divided by n?
It says "n >= 0 and 1 divides n"
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i need to do the following binomial = 2x^2 + 2x - 12
basically i have to simplify them into binomials
i cant think of two things that multiply to get -24 but subtract to get 2
like how bro
6 - 4?
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has this problem been answered correctly?
what I don’t understand is that it seems like (from the way they took moments about A) that they have assumed that the line of action of the weight, and the ladder are in the same vertical plane
I think it makes sense that the ladder should be perpendicular to the edge but I don’t understand why it should touch the box at the midpoint of the edge
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Hello. That's because the weight goes across the center of mass. In this case, the box is assumed to be homogeneous, so it's center if mass is at its middle point
This is 2D dynamics, so you can assume that all forces are in the same plane of action unless otherwise is specified
You can think of it as a wide homogeneous ladder on the upper side of the box
oh right
Or also you can think that the ladder is exactly at the middle of the side
Anyway, at this level you should assume that I guess
I was imagining the ladder to have zero width, but yep it definitely makes sense that it has width
I'm not sure what you mean by this 🤔. The reaction force is what is perpendicular to the ladder



