#competition-math
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let u=(x-1)(x-6)=x^2-7x+6, eq above=>u(u+4)(u+6)=720 => u^3+10u^2+24u-720=0 => (u-6)(u^2+16u+120)=0
the quadratic has no real solution, u=6 => x^2-7x+6=6 => x^2-7x=0 => x=0, x=7
ergo 2 real soltuoins
or smth
idk what's a solution
Can somebody help with this problem:
Prove that for the same perimeter a right angled triangle with two same sides have the bigger area than other right angle triangles.
i cant give out the entire explination bc ur not allowed to fully answer questions BUT u can derive the steps from the final equasion:b = P(1 - sqrt(2)/2).
Thanks for idea
Hi
ok it's back

Hi 👋🏻
probably
what's a solved
huh
patrick li
hi
not me thats fs
Not me, but probably
Halloa
what's the best way to format partial solutions (mainly to save the trouble of the examiner having to figure out that it's a partial solution)
What did you know about online math olympiads, dm me
depends on the question although you want to place
casework, geometry diagrams, assumptions on short figures on the top right while everywhere else would be the bulk (idk)
Write Partial solution: at the beginning?
||198?||
is there a way to access aops books for free?
hmm no I don't think so...
👍
hey chat, soi'm going to this team math contest event tomorrow and i wanted to ask if anyone has any tips on how to prepare??
At less than a day, the most important thing is get enough sleep, etc.
which contest??
where i it held?Online mode or offline?
offline, in person
competing against other schools
As troposphere said and also work on teamwork identify individual strengths (geo, combo, etc) and make sure those ppl do those problems
cool problem rbo
is there a way to do it without getting your hands on some bash
hmm
like with multiples of 11
hey, i'd highly recommend using usamoguide.com to prepare! its designed entirely for competition math and has curriculum written by US national math olympiad medalists!
i personally like it
i mean pirating exists but its illegal
so yeah
i'll def check it out, thank you!!
wait i js realized
i've been kinda neglecting comp math for higher math this past week 
I meannnn I can’t blame you
Integrals so fun
I’ve been neglecting math in general tho cuz AP exams coming up 🫤
I've been doing the opposite
its comp season
i think the best possible scenario for you is if the examiner does not realize it is a partial solution
i just write some random shi at the end and try to format it as a full solution
Lol
complex numbers 
what
I leave it as an exercise for the reader
consider the "standard" integral representation of 1/n ig
ok
that means the answer will be
wait for 5 minutes
the answer is pi/3√3
am i right
please check
yoo
,w sum of \frac{1}{3n+1}-\frac{1}{3n+2} from n=1 to inf
brother i calculate thx to the help of Civil Service Pigeon it's pi/3√3
what is the that webpage you are using the showing me that calculation
wolfram alpha
thx let me check
k it's quite nice
but any for raw calculations
anyways thx for the help
i will try finding some question to solve
yoo tell a channel that give question like this
for any function that is differentiable over the interval I, there exist $J={ \frac{f(b)-f(a)}{b-a} | a,b \in I , a < b}$ such that $f'(I)-J$ has at most 2 elements(where f'(I) refers to the set of values of f'(x) for evey x $\in$ I)
Respectful_mathematician
that has 2 elements when I is closed... if it is open then I is essentially same as J...
Is this correct?... I am just wondering can every secant line slope over I captures every derivative over I...
If this is not the place for this specific question, please redirect me. thanks.
carry the team on your back
I'm pretty sure they're addable
true...
From the multi equation, we get: 6/u=2/t
So: u=3t
Now you substitue it into the equations
My idea was subtract 6 to u^2-ut-6=0 and t^2-ut+2=0
And try to factor
there are several aproaches for 1 problem
Okay
128
I got 8
Cuz I made it t^2=-2+ut and u^2=6+ut
And expanded (u-t)^2=u^2-ut+t^2
yeah thats correct
should expand to u^2-2ut+t^2
2(6+ut)-4ut+2(-2+ut)
answers 8 i think
It is 8
After simplifying its 2(4+4ut-4ut)
“4ut” cancels out
Into 2(4) which is 8
i got that
Good
8
Come private
Does AP mean arithmetic progression?
Yurt
@round crater I think I got it. Do you have the answer? I got || 3/2 ||
For some reason I’ve never seen geometric progression and arithmetic progression abbreviated as GP and AP lol. But it makes sense. Immediately realized what those were because of “common difference”
Good to know, I don’t need to write out long words anymore
It took me a while, but I finally wrote it out neatly
Heyyy
hmm
hmm
ig ill do some today
Hello 👋🏻
Whats upp
This is probably something you see on the easiest stage of math contests ngl considered “easy” in competitive math
Probably would see that in amc
Where did you get that problem?
😂
i cud give ya harder ones
just ask
im studying for IPMAT
I don't know about all that but what I do know is that atp I can only do cbse boards lvl maths
Maybe I could do better but I only got like 49%ile in jee math and even if I solved the questions that I couldn't do cuz of time limit ,I would still only get like 85ish %ile
Maybe if I study for that then I might be able to do that
But I won't do it if I don't need all that in engineering
add u^2-ut to t^2-ut, you get u^2-2ut+t^2 which is (u-t)^2
Yea
weird I wonder if this is where they took that one problem from
I think I lowk have seen that b4 lol
||3/2|| after a bit of weird typing
I got it wrong initially but eh
somehow got 1/2 1 1/2 but then realized I multiplied a 2 in the denominator weirdly and then it fixed itself
Which one is easier
there's another real solution to this
Anyone has ANMC pyq pls send
(3^x)^2=3^2x=9^x=(x^9)^2 and like that should be easy enough ig
wait
that should intersect at 2 points mm
Aren’t these questions meant to not be solvable since e is transcendental or whatever
Lambert w for the other root ig
literally solved it in my head
Yeah we aren't good like that
is it possible with accurate hitboxes
tbh idk that's y i sent it
what
he means passable
lowk don't remember where I found this
a1=1, a2=1/2, a3=2, a4=1/5, a5=5/4, a6= 8/7, a7=7/13, a8=13/6, a9=6/17, a10=17/11, a11=11/16, a12=16/5, a13=5/19, a14=19/14 hmmmmmm
alr I think I've been calculating wrongly for a bit but I think I see a way
hmmm
a6
7/4 it shoudl be 4/7
1 1/2 2 1/5 5/4 4/7 7/3 3/8 8/5 5/7 7/2 2/7 5/7 7/2 2/7...
so prolly 7/2 idk
huh weird the answer is ||13/46|| but like I swear isn't this how the thing goes
idk maybe I'm stupid
$a_4=\frac{1}{3}$, not $\frac{1}{5}$.
Civil Service Pigeon
Can you send the solutions
it's x=-6, not x=6, and that is a double root due to the symmetry of the equation.
There are two further roots between -10 and -9 and between -3 and -2, respectively.
I am enough pro to say these typa questions has 2 rational and two 2 non rational roots
Pretty easy tbh
I solved there are three solutions x= -6,-6+√10,-6-√10
One rational and two conjugate pairs since they are irrational

you can probably just guess them
This deals with the || stern-brocot sequence ||. You should look into the || binary representation of n || and assert a claim on a_n depending on || parity ||, via || strong induction ||, from which you can then compute a_2024
neither of the factors can be even
so x can't be odd here
and if any are negative, another also has to be negative because otherwise it wouldn't be in N (which 9 is)
x = -6 works here
idk why i was doing aime mocks at 11 pm 
is it ||72+-sqrt(26)||
Definitely not, that isn't even roughly in the right range.
Correct
you get -6,-6+√10,
Two irrational that has x^3-10=0
whats like the smart way to do this
pair them up and let u = x^2 + 12x?
Set y=(x+6)
(y+3)((y+1)(y-1)(y-3)
hm and then expand to get a quartic missing a degree 3 and 1 term?
ah that works nicely
shoot
i made a mistake with quadratic formula
wait i literally made a mistake with every single step in the quadratic formula
first, i thought 26*4=116, then i squared b instead of making it negative
then i thought 144-116=26
also sqrt(26)/2=sqrt(26)
Then it turns into perfect square
When it’s (y^2-9)(y^2-1)=9
y^4-10y^2+9=9
9 cancels out
y^4-10y^2=0
y(y^3-10)=0
oh no wonder there was a 2024=1101010100110 smth on the solution
how does one even recognize that
I literally just saw this on facebook
let u=x^2+12x+35, u(u-8)=9 => u=9, -1
9=x^2+12x+35, -1=x^2+12x+35 => x=-6, x=-6__+__sqrt(10)
hence (x+3)(x+5)(x+7)(x+9)-9=(x+6)^2(x+6+sqrt10)(x+6-sqrt10)=0
to which ones
I don't have soltuions for the minimum value of m and n that sort of thing cuz who would bother thinking about that
All except the ones you don’t have
I ain't doin all that the entire document is like 890+ pages long 😭
brb in like 5 minutes if I can manage to scour it for the problems again
note that my solutions may not be entirely right
b
majority of these are probably made up answers
I was also probably drunk making them
making the solutions* I didn't make the problems
hmm
Awesome!
hey guys what are tensors
uh simple idealogy is its 4D vectors
But they are more complex
You should check in a physics server or other math channels
Well clearly Tensors are objects that transform like a Tensor
TSTs are just brutal, Espicially when you think you solved something but get omitted so much points for missing to prove something
gl for results
No I received them
never thought youd rant here instead of mods tho
I could have gotten 11/21 and be in top6 
I got 6/21
Am going to PAMO
Pan African mo
oh
Yeah
can i ask which country
I have 2 more years
oh orz then
Algeria

I just hope I get a perfect score in PAMO
i need to cook tstst
U have high chances
Ur orz
Did I forget to mention ur VERY young
Like all of that and ur 13 is phenomenal
i don't actually
May I ask you what did you do ? Or was it just starting early
theres at least 6 people my age better than me
im asian
Oh rly ?
You have 5 more years so it’s ok no ?
idk man
Oh but they also have 5 more years
yes
Idk u have soooo much potential just grind
i dont rlly
like
it feels very demoralising
but i will heed my teacher's (china mo gold) advice
of not comparing to others
they don't
Man trust me you can do it, I remember getting into MO for the first time and seeing orz people in nationals yet I got 4th place
My age obviously
It was d4 max
and my geom is the only thing im good at
ah
Dude grind until ur eyes start to bleed
doubting yourself does not help you
Watch whiplash it’s very relatable
but i could be enjoying my life
For u
And every mo nerd
if i dont make IMO im dead
i will see it
ty
the #1 in my year is a/c/g/n 8/7/9/9
what am i to do
rest and take a break
Ur better no ?
im 6/5/9/7 at best
no im not
Am pretty sure ur problem solving skills are very good, youre easily d6 combi
hm this is making me start to wonder about something
Combi is just problem solving
i think i have to switch my focus
i need to stop doing geom
the time i would take to make my geom go from d9 to d10
is equivalent to making my combi go from d5 to d7
Yeah Thats reasonable ur d9, d9 is enough
i must do combi
I wonder what that d thing means
but i hate it
Trust me combi is very upgradable
math olympiad discord server ratinf
MODS difficulty rating
d9 ≈ 35 mohs
oh ok
ok i hope
dt I can solve even a singular problem from there
i need lock in
so all of them are beyond me ig
there are easy problems
give me an example
aiyo just come to
that isn't geometry proving logic number theory or combinatorics I'm weak in those 🥀
I love functional equations
NT functional equations are fun
gimme some
Find all functions f:N—>N such that
f(m) + f(n) | m+n
It’s a simple introductory NT Fe
||6sqrtpi/2sqrtpi||
is it possible with accurate hitboces
hitboees
hitboexes
ok vro
Whiplash is not supposed to be a motivational movie
Brochacho everyone has different feeling
it's meant as a cautionary tale iirc
Well theyre warning me of something and am falling for it
you can grind, just avoid unhealthy practices 🙏 🙏
is that actually properly written? seems like dx should not be in the root
yh its not
yaey another graph theory problem
want more? go to #discrete-math
hmm
Yo is there any way to see how many aime quals came from your state
huh
idt that's even possible
actually it is we have to find the integral with square root respect to x
It’s possible. The integrand can be simplified further
yeah it's 1
wait
oh yeah
nvm
no wait a minute
nvmthought it was another number
I mean I don't think it's even possible for the answer to be 3 mm my original ans was wrong
I've changed it now
Does anyone knows a good handout/ressource to learn :
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Geometry of numbers: Lattice points. Pick's Theorem. Minkowski's Theorem. Geometric interpretation of the Farey sequence and continued fractions. Geometric proofs of the two square and four square theorems.
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Finite fields: Characteristic. Frobenius map. Counting irreducible polynomials. Uniqueness Theorem for the field of p^n elements.
3.Orders of elements
what i should study if i want start compete in math?
Algebra, Geometry, number theory, combinatorics. The level of which depends on your level of competition.
math
the basics of algebra and geometry and number theory and combi is what you need
other than that are just optional
in geometry you just need to know angle chasing, i solved multiple IMO problems with just angle chasing
in algebra, you need to know some basics abt factoring, inequalities, functions and polynomials(even tho they're getting less trendy)
in number theory; you just need to know what primes are, whats divisbility, gcds, lcms and other stuff
in combi u need to know abt counting, and maybe the pigeon hole principal
for geometry, the first chapter of EGMO is awesome
for algebra, learn the topics independetly(idk any alg book)
for NT: first chapter of MONT
for combi : since there isnt that much theory to learn, you can learn it just by problem solving, if you really want to learn theory use "an exploration of olympiad combinatorics"
again , dont expect theory to solve all ur problems, mo is literally 90% problem solving and motivating ur solutions(unless ur regional competitions are multiple choice questions wich require speed, those require u to just do past papers of them(i hate them so much))
for more info u can join the math olympiad discord server

for inequalities just do muirheads
thats like the only reason they're not trendy
Btw do u know why polynomials no longer exist ?
no?
Theres some advanced shit called Lagrange interplotation, it’s a fricking machine it kills almost every problem
It’s very VERY bashy
i didnt learn taht yet 😔
thats the only reason why i didnt solve cmo p5
official solutions
were so
advanced
isn't that the one which finds the function of degree n which passes through a given set of points?
Yeah but I heard elsewhere you can use it in different ways
hmm might have to look into that
Ohhh Wair mb mb
It’s not Lagrange interplotation
It’s multipliers
They kill inequalities
Not polynomials
Wait wtf I though ur pfp was a cat 😭
oh this is just some fancy way to term 2 points can determine a line 3 points can determine a quadratic and so on
again we should stop giving everything names
I remembered searching how to do this in 8th grade I genuinely still remember it every now and then
cuz it also kills patterns
orz
whats ça
note for primes depending on ur country you might wanna memorize the years prime or fun facts about the year
what's the 2027th prime and you lowk just look at the organizers like that was a fair problem
why?
for the sake of my sanity I choose to be ignorant towards my own issues
why?
N>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>…
rising 10th, planning to take the AMC 10 ts year; to those who have taken the test or also quali'd for AIME, what were your study sessions like, and how much did you spend studying?
hoping to get some useful tips because im just grinding through the AOPS intro books and taking mock tests, but im having issues on my speed and test taking strategy 😔 always get nervous when i take certain tests and i waste time
NK>?
i forgot complex bashing existed for a full few minutes while doing a problem 
k=nk(k=p)
as a person who knows people who do that
15 hours a day
i did a bunch of aime mocks
that didnt work out very well
yes thanks
oh wow nevermind AMC doesn't look that hard, AIME is pretty hard tho
correction, AIME would need like 15 hours a day
so if school is 7 hours a day i just need to sleep 2 hours and spend 15 hours studying- /j ik im not qualing for aime next year
Ionknow bro other countries are a mystery to me
how unsurprising my country copied AIME's format
yeah doing a butt ton of practice tests just stops working after a certain point
they help if your competitions have oral rounds for NO REASON(I AM FORKING ENRAGED)
hmmm
oral?
that reminds me of
like
sharygin
geo 🤤
help pls is it B i don’t even know how i got to that i think i guessed
No, as per the solution packet that you can Google.
yes but ik i can google the answer and i read the solution but i still don’t get it which is why i askwd
what is this sneajer thing
oh icic ur not in US
<@&268886789983436800> another raid (search back for "sneajer" in the channel).
Ah, it was even the same person, just with a new display name.
Given integer n≥2, S is the set of the first 2n natural numbers. F is the family of subsets of S containing 2 elements. Prove that F can be partitioned into partitions of S.

Show $K_{2n}$ has 1-factorization.
This one is a known thing, ig, where you construct a $(2n-1)$-gon, having vertices $0, 1, \dots, 2n-2,$ and a special vertex at the center
LemmaLover
You connect the special vertex to vertex $0$ to get first factor
LemmaLover
Then generate the rest by rotation
"LemmaLover" lmfao
Hi, can someone help me understand the question ( without solving it)?
I don't understand how the answer is not just simply ∞
Like in this case, can't we just move the plane a little bit each time getting closer or further from the fourth vertix of the cube?
Wdym?
You would need to consider that a plane here is essentially a flat 2D surface that extends ‘indefinitely’ in 3D space
I think I'm just having a problem visualizing it
well think of some examples that you can pass a plane through a cube and have it 3 of the cubes vertices
this guy is going on a tangent 🥁
do tree diagram
why do these problems look like it come straight out of my math hw, like the format, the type of questions 
That’s fine. You can go on Desmos 3D, type in “max(|x|,|y|,|z|) = 1” which represents a cube of side length 2 units that is centred at the origin. Now a plane can be described as the following equation: ax+by+cz+d = 0 for any real a,b,c,d. Just to make sure that this plane actually intersects the cube, check that |a|+|b|+|c| ≥ |d| for your choice of a,b,c,d. Desmos 3D cannot capture the infinite 3D space, so you might need to zoom out in order to see the plane extending indefinitely
they are from cayley contest
interesting, I'm not that surprised tho they even handed us AIME problems as hw
bru wutt
we love counting/ probability problems, so what would be a better place to find counting problems other than competition
Also ig students are getting better so they have to level up the game
what grade r yall
true..
I'm 12th kek 
o then aime makes sense
hello im jackie chan the math teacher
hmmm birdli rejoined
is #1 ||224||?
<@&268886789983436800>
oop i got ||161|| smhow
why does it need to indicate area as positive
fake
the right angle one is pretty well shown, that the square of the hypotenuse is greater than that of the sum of the squares of the other two sides so x^2>10^2+17^2=389 so x__>__20 and with triangle inequality x<27 so you have the values
bro what is that combinatorics question
you can do the funny with the cube and find the plane PFM is in and then use fancy vector formulas to find the normal vector passing through the point G and then finding the distance fairly easily
oh wait no I misread
the cube part is hard mm
I'm pretty sure there's a formula for distance of a point to a plane iirc
brotato chips isn't it 1/2 chance
either even or odd 😱
oh wait
ohhhhhh
I'm stupid
gosh I hate combinatorics
2nd one is like casework
since they're independent the order doesn't matter so just do the probabilities that 2 people picked odd 2 people picked even 4 people picked even or 4 people picked odd
I don't know the formula for combinatorics or quite frankly anything related to probability, it's prolly some ||(5/9)^2(4/9)^2+(4/9)^4+(5/9)^4=400+256+625 /6561=like 1271 so 1+1+4+49=55 or smth||
maybe if it was even
I see what you did there
oh no the probability missing something
oh wait no it isn't
i would probably js do for each dice the probability depends on the parity of the previous sum
idk
i did some bs assumptions and it worked
i forgor
triangle inequality theorummmm
and pythagorean theorum i think
thats all u need
take a croos section
median of triangle
then midpoint of that median
then pythagorean theorum on the isoscles triangle
Most important thing ever
it is a cube
that
prolly works
imagine cross section of the cube thing on the plane with LKHG and it kinda is just a line and a point so easy enough ig
There is,1/PG^2 + 1/FG^2 + 1/MG^2=1/distance(G,PFM)^2 iirc 
hmmm
||200-100sqrt2=x~=69|| which is kinda super far
So civilised
shut up d9 farmer
??
combi is stupid
why are you telling me to shut up 🥀
agreed
because I suck
now solve the cube thing
the 3rd one here
muahahahahaha
Multiple choice = bs until you get smth
wait what u didnt solve it
Dude....
,w 200-100sqrt(2)
um
How did you even get 69 
let me see my answer
good job

but dont be too excited cuz this is grade ten math contest

ooks
the magic of 100*1.414 and me thinking hmmmm
I got an extra 1
they know more than me they prolly have a better solution than I would've
I can solve it it'd just take me a while and paper and it's not really gonna be instantaneous
what is the value of x
If $x \neq 0,$ then:
$$ x^{x-1} = 3 $$
So, $x < 3.$ That is something I can conclude.
Use Newton-Raphson atp.
$x_1 = 0.23697$
$x_2 = 2.31197$
Or just use a graph
LemmaLover
hmm
i jusr HATE those "olympiad" problems, its almost always lamber w function or some ln shit
hmmm
I got this b4 too
frel
it's a bit tricky to use the lambert w function here
because for like $x^{x}=ax,a\in\mathbb{R}\setminus(-\infty,0)$, you inevitably end up with $\ln({x}) e^{\ln({x-1})}=\ln({a})$
chudcel
Ty i tried it and it was helpful!
lmao lobster when chkn was alre addy 2 be eaten then raw lobster instead of chkn ! added ! gratz.
therefore 3 is 3 and 3 = 3 just not for me but I'll tell you three of climb a tree IIV just don't climb ivy even tho it's 3.
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up up and away !
Help is available
I saw
if I were to say he went to club fed would you know?
and that's why things are posted and not said, and I don't say things on here since ♬♪ ♬♪♫♩ ♪ ♫♩ you may never know. and I do not tell you, and we can't talk about it here... get it please be aware I am not that dolt.
2 3 1
ooos, I'm already not interested
does anyone know how i can build olympiad style reasoning in my brain bc whenever i see an olympiad / quant interview question or anything of the sort i get stuck and dont know where to start
The easiest thing one could do is: Breaking into Cases.
I think this is a strategy that works in a lot of beginner/intermediate problems, and is the easiest to learn and internalize for a beginner
Like, break it into some $n$ finite cases, and see what happens in each of them.
LemmaLover
A more powerful method is: Invariance and Extremal Principle.
Basically, either consider what does not change, or, consider, what is the minimum or the maximum (the extremes) of a configuration. This gives insights that simplify a problem tremendously.
For this, just read up on Chapter 1 and Chapter 3 of Arthur Engel Problem Solving Strategies.
I think they are great resources.
There is one thing that I'd want to tell you. You might think those who do well in Olympiads have a brain that thinks on levels that is outside your reach. While this may be true in some instances, it is not universally. With practice, most of the low-level stuff (SFFT, modular arithmetic, breaking into cases, invariance, coloring, pigeonhole, bijection, identities like Sophie Germain, inequalities like AM-GM, etc.) become automated, so their brain is free to think on higher lines, and reduce them into patterns they have already seen. With practice, these people probably have a LOT of patterns distilled in their mind. Even if they don't outright reveal it, it is just baked into muscles.
So, again, an overused word, but is appropriate here:** PRACTICE**
ahh i see thank you so much for this advice
i'll try doing maybe one problem every day
Do not force it. If it becomes unenjoyable, there's no point chasing it.
You should do problems if you feel like it.
The really important skill to cultivate here is patience.
is it fine if i spend more than like 2 hours on a single problem
It's perfectly fine.
I have spent much more than that on a single problem.
is art of problem solving a good place to get problems from
100%.
Just look at their contest archives
For olympiads
They got a comprehensive archives for years and years of most olympiads you'd be concerned with.
Coming with the expectation that you'd figure out the answer to a problem is something that might lead to hundreds of heartbreaks.
You should always try to make some progress, or at least eliminate some methods that do not work when dealing with a problem. if you can do that, you can always look back, and be happy that you did something
ahh i see thanks for the help
spam pattern recognition
you should be asking people for help if you can't get it in like 40 minutes 😭
I tap out quicker than 40 minutes I'm just gonna ask without thinking whenever
dont memorise
memorise = u wont do well
u need to actually understand
it pmo when people say there's no need to memorize things in math comp, ofc you do, remember as many known results, lemma and theorems as possible and also common/unique approaches and sub problems is such a big deal
Derive them on the exam would take ages even if you understand them clearly
if all u do is memorise then you wont do well
in olympiad and contest prep yes, you memorise but when you are just buildling reasoning, there is no reason to memorize anything
the only reason you need to memorize is cuz its timed
in reality you dont need to memorize anything
thats just the reality of all maths
no, you need to memorize thing to make a connection to new problems. If you have a known result already in your head, you can connect them to other difficult problems
sure it may "come" as natural after a long time practicing but a lot is genuinely memory and studying
and imo theres a differnece between active recall and straight up memorization those are two different things
you can't do that if you don't memorize them all
you probably referring to recall more than memorisation
in both general kinds of competitions, long-form and fast/oral, you need the memorization
memorisation is just like what u do when u cram right before a test and forget it after a few days
you can't recall what you don't memorize
what
yes you can
I think you're mistaking recollection with finding something familiar
lemme formulate my thoughts more but i usually refer to memorization as just what ppl do as cramming and thinking they can do well just memorizing a bunch of formulas
like ik ppl thinking they could do well in amc just by memorizing a book of formulas and theorems and they were sorely disappointed
memorisation literally takes root in the word memory which would imply it's long-term
both understanding and memorization are needed
they, in fact, CAN do well even if they only memorize the theorems, even if they can't derive them, they only need to apply them well enough
gimme the formula for ptolemy's theorem on cyclic quadrilaterals
who am i to argue against the goat terrence tao who doesnt memorise 😮💨
that reminds me what was that 1/3 things in the median of a triangle
whats the statement of the theorem
i dont know names anymore
💀
pov: <-- this person hasnt done any competition maths in 2 years
there's like two cyclic quadrilateral theorems
is is the relation between diagonals and sides
there's like only two* I'm sure your recall can remember the both of them's formulae
I can't derive half the formulas I use/would use
we let the people 670 years ago deal with that
and euler
other one is just opposite angles sum to 180 surely but thats easy to see
You have been taught that volume of the pyramid is 1/3 h Area right?? did you known how to derive them ?
When you were taught?
yes
we use integration and viewing
frfr
huh no I just cheatcode with calculus
no?
u dont need calculus
just use geometry
well i mean calculus is just geometry in some way
show me then
added bonus of being a larp I self taught myself extremely elementary calc in 8th because nikola tesla did the same thing
I was 12 and edgy
My friend did this and brought me along for the ride lmao
I mean the main named ones used in competition, that one doesn't count that has practical applications in most curriculums
I would suppose if we include the angle things, it'd be 4 theorems on cyclic quadrilaterals
wao, I didn't even know what calculus is in 8th grade
you should've spent more time being on facebook

I used to think people just filled up a mold with sand and individually count how many sand pieces long were the sides and height and derive formula from the relations lmao
I was still struggled with euclidean geo at the time
i mean thats definitely a way u could do it
just call it geo vro we know that 3 lines make a triangle
but also a lot of the formulas can be derived once you know some simpler stuff
diffgeo:
derive the formula for the area of a square-based pyramid now
without using calculus
should be easy enough
you haven't shown me how to prove it's true , yet
It's not physic mate
Can't just do experiment
euclid already did it
why should i
who am i to argue against euclid
to show that you can
so would you say the memory is recalling or memorizing
none
i just dont know
honestly, euclid geo sucks, idk why carbonite is so passionate about it
but you know the logic behind it don't you?
and n>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>cag
Carbonite stop enjoying d9 geometry /j
I would like to be good at geometry but I deadahh forget every triangle and circle related shi(every geo problem ever) every 5 seconds
tf is cag and n
💀
I'm not familiar with terms I've only ever seen once
Combo alg geo nt..
wlog assume square pyramid (because nautilus told me to)
but it works for all bases if u adjust the argument carefully
blah blah blah
qed
combinatoric is better in everyway
there
why is nt>alg alg>n
Geo > alg >>> Nt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> C
nuh uh
whoever says algebra isn't easy is high, whoever likes number theory is higher, geo is bad enough but manageable, combinatorics is just plain worse than geo
the only time I'd apply just using logic for a problem is combinatorics because IT IS JUST USING LOGIC AND USING LIKE 3 DIFF FORMULAS
lokey
Case bashing gives me horrors
IT'S TOO INTUITIVE
idk how to do square pyramid
need more machinery than my brain can handle
ik triangular tho
u ujst use geometry
well im high
the size of the square base increases by a certain ratio when you increase the height, an infinitesimally thin slice/cross section of the pyramid parallel to the base would have a volume of dh*(s)^2 so dV=s^2 dh now you express s in h and
wait
is that how it geos
I think it is but I'm probably wrong
well yea ik how to do with calculus
can u do it without calculus?
exercise: prove, or disprove
vectors are also calculus
yeah, that actually applies to any base
probably
not vectors needed
just trianlges
oh i just describe all of euclidean geometry
I would imagine you can imagine a cube can be cut into 6 equal square pyramids but that only covers 1 case of s=2h
all u need is trianlges
well, one could imagine an extension into a
nope nvm
can do it in one specific case
probably it's possible to imagine smaller of such cases but as of the moment I'm stupid
yeah it's how I remembered how we did it
hello does anyone wanna participate with me in the MPL? its a great math competition I am trying to make a team if you would like to participate message me
How can u factor x^pi=1
Wdym
Like can we use perfect of squares
Tangent
Yes
Tangent
Thanks
Ik x=1
Most of those e^i2k won't have i2k as their principal logarithm, though. So there's a threatening morass of pedantry about equations between multi-valued expressions.
hmmm
True except NT is the best
True
No
Wdym
yes
For example, it if you set x=e^4i, then what is x^pi?
According to the most general single-valued definition of exponentiation I'm aware of that applies here, that should be e^(Log(x)·pi).
However, Log(x) is not 4i, but rather (4-2pi)i, since the principal argument is the one between -pi and pi.
So x^pi in that case ends up being e^i(4pi-2pi²) = 0.63 - 0.78i, which is not 1.
Huh
The basic problem for your reasoning is that you cannot rely on (e^a)^b = e^(ab) when there are complex numbers involved.
troposphere still carrying
What if we limit k to a range
k∈{-1,0,1} I'd think
Yh
true
u get 🦧 🦧 🦧
🦧
true
tangent line and extended line hell
hmm
is a kettle without the cap at the top and the handle included homeomorphic to eyeglasses without lens
uhh i dont think so
you enjoy geometry u should like this too
ok
im sry for this but correction: the formula is 180(n-2) bcuz u need bedmas and order of operations or else it would turn into n-360 or unless ur doing (n^2-360)/n thingy
unfortunately a triangle does not have -357 interior angle
u mean the interior angle isnt -357 degrees right
cool... and yea teamsters... unlike how it's good in some situations . I wouldn't be good at competitive math it's healthy to tho to keep mind working as good as possible.
sorry whoever else don't like humor
I think the interior is in total 360 so one may be -357 then 358 then 359
What if we define it to be
Hey guys
How do you prepare for maths olympiad?
With a smile
what if hyperbolic geometry
I larp and appear cool asf to every1 in my province because we appeared in a van with our school's name
chop chop geometry man/woman/equivalent is it possible for a triangle to have -357 interior angle in hyperbolic geometry
Anything is possible if you believe.
you are not wrong
hey can anyone explain the gaussian intergral??
This ques is impossible
I do
This is Olympiad ques
67
lwk look like my 8th grade exam
do you know vector? this problem can be solved easily with vectors
Idk vector
hmmm
Pure geo ik
vectors and ratios in geometry
🫡
a hint would be: take advantage of area ratios and here're some constructions you might need
Dayum
Good approach
should have label the intersection
1/X = AC/AT = 67
I got an unreasonably large number
vro be making lines 🥀
I wanna do number 5 because number 5 is algebra and it doesn't suck
so obviously we can tell from the get go that
(m+10)(m+11)(2m+21)/6-(m-1)(m)(2m-1)/6=n^2
(2m^3+63m^2+(220+231+210)m+2310-(m^3-3m^2+m)=6n^2
66m^2+660m+2310=6n^2 => 11m^2+110m+385=n^2
11(m^2+10m+35)=n^2
11(m+3)(m+7)=n^2
so now ||m=15, n=22 => m+n=37||
no 6
||a>b, a=6 and a=5(assume b=a-1 since that maximizes b^3+ab) don't wor, a=4 leaves the only possible solution which then gives b=3 so now 16+27=43||
No 4. is just 81M+80=16N+540 leading to 81M=16N+460 which you then do fancy mod stuff and get ||N=275, M=81||
never doing geometry
$1+_{2}1=0$
chudcel
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derivative of x^(x^(x^(x)))
hmm
hmm lemme try
just use multiple logs
btw
theres only one log
and thats the natural log
all other logs are unnatural
let y=x^x^x^x, u=x^x^x, v=x^x
lny=(x^x^x)lnx
lnu=(x^x)lnx
lnv=xlnx
(dv/dx)/v=lnx+1=> dv/dx=(lnx+1)(x^x)
(du/dx)/u=(lnx+1)(x^x)lnx+(x^x)/x => du/dx=((lnx+1)(x^x)lnx+(x^x)/x)(x^x^x)
(dy/dx)/y=((lnx+1)(x^x)lnx+(x^x)/x)(x^x^x)(lnx)+x^x^x/x => dy/dx=(((lnx+1)(x^x)lnx+(x^x)/x)(x^x^x)(lnx)+x^x^x/x)(x^x^x^x)
is the general way to do it
you have the funny blackpenredpen option
wait no blackpenredpen did like 2^x^2^x
now find a recursive formula
essentialy find the derivative of $^n x$ where $^n x = x^{x^{\cdot^{\cdot^{x}}}}$ ($n$ times)
kate (online)
well I assume it's just (x^x^x^x^... n times)(x^x^x^x^... n-1 times/x+(
no I'm not writing that down
pi from i=1 to n (x^x^x... (n-i+1) times/)
nah I'm not doing all that
<@&268886789983436800>
what happened
I happened
wat a great thing to happen
x tetrated n times= xxx.... x times to equal x^x, and that amount of times to equal , yk the amount of products is 1 less than the tetration
so product rule wont simplify it enough
you need to make sure there is a derivative first
suppose it's for values of x >0
How can we solve x^x=3^(324)
would you say 2^2 = 4^1 ? Try using that idea
After a brainstorm
It’s 3^(4x81)
Then 3^4=81
Therefore x=81
Yep
Quick question would an 8th grade putnam style question count as competition math
Since well
-# its a putnam style question
putnam is a competition right?
Wdym
Just send it
The William Lowell Putnam Mathematical Competition is the premier North American undergraduate mathematics exam, held annually on the first Saturday of December. It consists of two three-hour sessions (12 problems total) challenging students' mathematical ingenuity, typically in calculus, algebra, and combinatorics. The competition is notoriously difficult, with a median score often at or near zero, yet it is highly esteemed
I myslef gave one of its test for fun and got 4 marks , even though I am a full on Olympiad student although I am only 17
The age is range usually lies between 17-22 ( u just shouldnt have any college degree )
i think the answer he was looking for is yes
lambert w function
give me enough time and I'll solve 1% of a putnam problem in NT or algebra give or take
send the q
some putnam questions are moderate but ive never done one at "8th grade level"
but tbf i flunkedd ts and got a 6/120 💀
100% will be x=81
is this an orz imo guy responding to my message?
I need help with how to solve an non homogeneous differential equation with constant or variable coefficients with the right hand side needing the use of a convolution method when solving it with the method of laplace transform (LAPLACE ONLY!!!!!) please im curious on how the problem looks when solved
This doesn't really belong here - I see you've posted in #odes-and-pdes, which is more fitted to your question 
(if you have a specific question, it would be helpful to also post it in there too!)
Is anyone going to mao nats this summer
Solve this one guys!
Isn’t that good in Putnam
Yes
But wait I need to do it and u check it
Insta
Is it mean do synthetic then set it as zero
I see
Idk
I would js plug in simplify and aolve
My idea was
Still do synthetic and plug it in and set (x+5)=0
So that’s the remainder is the ans
^
I don’t think that’s right
Cuz what I would do
Is plug x-5 into the equation you get in b
And one of the parts becomes (x-2)
Which gives you x=2
As a rral root
Yes

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