#competition-math

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severe eagle
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i only enjoy them when theyre d6+

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potds are fun, when you grind more youll improve

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gl with oly

neon summit
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let u=(x-1)(x-6)=x^2-7x+6, eq above=>u(u+4)(u+6)=720 => u^3+10u^2+24u-720=0 => (u-6)(u^2+16u+120)=0
the quadratic has no real solution, u=6 => x^2-7x+6=6 => x^2-7x=0 => x=0, x=7

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ergo 2 real soltuoins

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or smth

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idk what's a solution

wet otter
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İdk too

brisk dirge
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Can somebody help with this problem:
Prove that for the same perimeter a right angled triangle with two same sides have the bigger area than other right angle triangles.

latent mango
brisk dirge
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Thanks for idea

agile gazelle
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Hi

inland totem
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ok it's back

inland totem
olive haven
radiant abyss
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did anybody here mop ?

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in competition math ?

inland totem
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probably

neon summit
little wraith
inland totem
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hi

thorny tusk
viral sierra
viral sierra
trail sluice
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what's the best way to format partial solutions (mainly to save the trouble of the examiner having to figure out that it's a partial solution)

lament swan
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What did you know about online math olympiads, dm me

neon summit
near hill
neon summit
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I exist to be bored

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very fun problem

vernal axle
dense latch
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is there a way to access aops books for free?

frank hornet
neon summit
marsh sluice
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hey chat, soi'm going to this team math contest event tomorrow and i wanted to ask if anyone has any tips on how to prepare??

near hill
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At less than a day, the most important thing is get enough sleep, etc.

marsh sluice
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canadian team math contest

woeful sleet
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where i it held?Online mode or offline?

marsh sluice
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competing against other schools

tiny eagle
zinc ridge
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is there a way to do it without getting your hands on some bash

inland totem
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hmm

zinc ridge
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like with multiples of 11

warm rock
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i personally like it

zinc ridge
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so yeah

marsh sluice
inland totem
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wait i js realized

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i've been kinda neglecting comp math for higher math this past week blobcry

tiny eagle
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Integrals so fun

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I’ve been neglecting math in general tho cuz AP exams coming up 🫤

viral sierra
reef jay
thorny tusk
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i just write some random shi at the end and try to format it as a full solution

tired raptor
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guy i need help in this problem

ivory ember
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complex numbers KEK

tired raptor
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what

ivory ember
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you could also write each term as an integral

tired raptor
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ok

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thx

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but wait how

ivory ember
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I leave it as an exercise for the reader

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consider the "standard" integral representation of 1/n ig

tired raptor
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ok

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that means the answer will be

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wait for 5 minutes

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the answer is pi/3√3

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am i right

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please check

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yoo

ivory ember
gilded haloBOT
ivory ember
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sully image compression

tired raptor
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brother i calculate thx to the help of Civil Service Pigeon it's pi/3√3

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what is the that webpage you are using the showing me that calculation

tired raptor
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thx let me check

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k it's quite nice

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but any for raw calculations

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anyways thx for the help

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i will try finding some question to solve

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yoo tell a channel that give question like this

sonic grove
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for any function that is differentiable over the interval I, there exist $J={ \frac{f(b)-f(a)}{b-a} | a,b \in I , a < b}$ such that $f'(I)-J$ has at most 2 elements(where f'(I) refers to the set of values of f'(x) for evey x $\in$ I)

gilded haloBOT
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Respectful_mathematician

sonic grove
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that has 2 elements when I is closed... if it is open then I is essentially same as J...

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Is this correct?... I am just wondering can every secant line slope over I captures every derivative over I...

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If this is not the place for this specific question, please redirect me. thanks.

neon summit
tired raptor
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hey guys

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i have a doubt

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on what are tensors

spark scaffold
sharp dawn
# spark scaffold

From the multi equation, we get: 6/u=2/t
So: u=3t
Now you substitue it into the equations

spark scaffold
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And try to factor

white heart
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Should be 8

sharp dawn
spark scaffold
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Okay

steel bay
spark scaffold
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Cuz I made it t^2=-2+ut and u^2=6+ut

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And expanded (u-t)^2=u^2-ut+t^2

oak tartan
spark scaffold
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Yay

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Then it’s 2u^2-4ut+2t^2

oak tartan
spark scaffold
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2(6+ut)-4ut+2(-2+ut)

pine geyser
spark scaffold
spark scaffold
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“4ut” cancels out

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Into 2(4) which is 8

zinc ridge
spark scaffold
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Good

round crater
round crater
round crater
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ur cracked

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at math

dusty sundial
olive haven
round crater
olive haven
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@round crater I think I got it. Do you have the answer? I got || 3/2 ||

olive haven
# olive haven Does AP mean arithmetic progression?

For some reason I’ve never seen geometric progression and arithmetic progression abbreviated as GP and AP lol. But it makes sense. Immediately realized what those were because of “common difference”

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Good to know, I don’t need to write out long words anymore

olive haven
gilded drift
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Heyyy

inland totem
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hmm

inland totem
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ig ill do some today

olive haven
gilded drift
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Whats upp

fallen apex
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Probably would see that in amc

novel karma
round crater
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i cud give ya harder ones

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just ask

round crater
proper fable
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Maybe I could do better but I only got like 49%ile in jee math and even if I solved the questions that I couldn't do cuz of time limit ,I would still only get like 85ish %ile

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Maybe if I study for that then I might be able to do that

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But I won't do it if I don't need all that in engineering

neon summit
spark scaffold
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Yea

neon summit
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I think I lowk have seen that b4 lol

neon summit
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I got it wrong initially but eh

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somehow got 1/2 1 1/2 but then realized I multiplied a 2 in the denominator weirdly and then it fixed itself

spark scaffold
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Which one is easier

daring sparrow
hearty needle
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Anyone has ANMC pyq pls send

neon summit
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wait

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that should intersect at 2 points mm

restive anvil
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Aren’t these questions meant to not be solvable since e is transcendental or whatever

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Lambert w for the other root ig

fleet drift
heady summit
fleet drift
neon summit
fleet drift
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tbh idk that's y i sent it

radiant shoal
pallid dragon
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he means passable

neon summit
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lowk don't remember where I found this

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a1=1, a2=1/2, a3=2, a4=1/5, a5=5/4, a6= 8/7, a7=7/13, a8=13/6, a9=6/17, a10=17/11, a11=11/16, a12=16/5, a13=5/19, a14=19/14 hmmmmmm
alr I think I've been calculating wrongly for a bit but I think I see a way

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hmmm

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a6

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7/4 it shoudl be 4/7

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1 1/2 2 1/5 5/4 4/7 7/3 3/8 8/5 5/7 7/2 2/7 5/7 7/2 2/7...
so prolly 7/2 idk

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huh weird the answer is ||13/46|| but like I swear isn't this how the thing goes

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idk maybe I'm stupid

ivory ember
gilded haloBOT
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Civil Service Pigeon

neon summit
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oh yeah

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I'm blind

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1/3 3/2 2/3 3 hmmm

spark scaffold
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I wonder where is other 3 solutions

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I get x=6

novel karma
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Can you send the solutions

near hill
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it's x=-6, not x=6, and that is a double root due to the symmetry of the equation.

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There are two further roots between -10 and -9 and between -3 and -2, respectively.

sinful current
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I am enough pro to say these typa questions has 2 rational and two 2 non rational roots

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Pretty easy tbh

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I solved there are three solutions x= -6,-6+√10,-6-√10

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One rational and two conjugate pairs since they are irrational

mighty pine
scenic sun
# neon summit lowk don't remember where I found this

This deals with the || stern-brocot sequence ||. You should look into the || binary representation of n || and assert a claim on a_n depending on || parity ||, via || strong induction ||, from which you can then compute a_2024

mighty pine
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neither of the factors can be even

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so x can't be odd here

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and if any are negative, another also has to be negative because otherwise it wouldn't be in N (which 9 is)

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x = -6 works here

inland totem
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idk why i was doing aime mocks at 11 pm KEK

near hill
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Definitely not, that isn't even roughly in the right range.

spark scaffold
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you get -6,-6+√10,

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Two irrational that has x^3-10=0

restive anvil
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pair them up and let u = x^2 + 12x?

spark scaffold
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(y+3)((y+1)(y-1)(y-3)

restive anvil
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hm and then expand to get a quartic missing a degree 3 and 1 term?

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ah that works nicely

zinc ridge
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i made a mistake with quadratic formula

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wait i literally made a mistake with every single step in the quadratic formula

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first, i thought 26*4=116, then i squared b instead of making it negative

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then i thought 144-116=26

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also sqrt(26)/2=sqrt(26)

spark scaffold
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When it’s (y^2-9)(y^2-1)=9

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y^4-10y^2+9=9

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9 cancels out

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y^4-10y^2=0

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y(y^3-10)=0

neon summit
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how does one even recognize that

neon summit
neon summit
neon summit
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I don't have soltuions for the minimum value of m and n that sort of thing cuz who would bother thinking about that

novel karma
neon summit
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brb in like 5 minutes if I can manage to scour it for the problems again

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note that my solutions may not be entirely right

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b

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majority of these are probably made up answers

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I was also probably drunk making them

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making the solutions* I didn't make the problems

inland totem
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hmm

graceful vine
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Awesome!

tired raptor
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hey guys what are tensors

mental cove
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But they are more complex

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You should check in a physics server or other math channels

lost sapphire
tired raptor
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ohh

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but how can 4d object exsit

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i did see an video on quaderions by 3b1b

untold wing
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TSTs are just brutal, Espicially when you think you solved something but get omitted so much points for missing to prove something

untold wing
severe eagle
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never thought youd rant here instead of mods tho

severe eagle
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do you have next year?

untold wing
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I got 6/21

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Am going to PAMO

severe eagle
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your tst is 3 questions?

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pamo

untold wing
severe eagle
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oh

untold wing
severe eagle
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can i ask which country

untold wing
severe eagle
untold wing
severe eagle
untold wing
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I just hope I get a perfect score in PAMO

severe eagle
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i need to cook tstst

untold wing
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U have high chances

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Ur orz

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Did I forget to mention ur VERY young

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Like all of that and ur 13 is phenomenal

severe eagle
untold wing
severe eagle
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theres at least 6 people my age better than me

untold wing
severe eagle
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of course

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were a top 10 imo country

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i am very worried rn

untold wing
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You have 5 more years so it’s ok no ?

severe eagle
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idk man

untold wing
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Oh but they also have 5 more years

severe eagle
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yes

untold wing
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Idk u have soooo much potential just grind

severe eagle
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i dont rlly

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like

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it feels very demoralising

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but i will heed my teacher's (china mo gold) advice

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of not comparing to others

neon summit
untold wing
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My age obviously

severe eagle
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man

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you're orz

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theres at least 3 people better than me in geom my age

untold wing
severe eagle
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and my geom is the only thing im good at

severe eagle
untold wing
neon summit
untold wing
severe eagle
untold wing
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For u

severe eagle
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instead of grinding everyday

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i could ba hanging out

untold wing
severe eagle
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if i dont make IMO im dead

severe eagle
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ty

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the #1 in my year is a/c/g/n 8/7/9/9

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what am i to do

neon summit
untold wing
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Ur better no ?

severe eagle
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im 6/5/9/7 at best

severe eagle
severe eagle
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like

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im bad

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😭

untold wing
neon summit
severe eagle
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my combi is horrible

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like actually

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thanks for encouraging though

untold wing
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Combi is just problem solving

severe eagle
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yesterday

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😭

untold wing
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It was overrated

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Underrated*

severe eagle
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i think i have to switch my focus

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i need to stop doing geom

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the time i would take to make my geom go from d9 to d10

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is equivalent to making my combi go from d5 to d7

untold wing
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Yeah Thats reasonable ur d9, d9 is enough

severe eagle
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i must do combi

neon summit
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I wonder what that d thing means

severe eagle
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but i hate it

untold wing
severe eagle
untold wing
severe eagle
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d9 ≈ 35 mohs

neon summit
severe eagle
neon summit
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dt I can solve even a singular problem from there

severe eagle
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i need lock in

neon summit
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so all of them are beyond me ig

severe eagle
neon summit
severe eagle
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aiyo just come to

neon summit
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that isn't geometry proving logic number theory or combinatorics I'm weak in those 🥀

untold wing
severe eagle
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@neon summit

fair bronze
untold wing
fair bronze
untold wing
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Find all functions f:N—>N such that
f(m) + f(n) | m+n

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It’s a simple introductory NT Fe

fleet drift
neon summit
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is it possible with accurate hitboces

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hitboees

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hitboexes

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ok vro

sinful current
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Easy question mate , the ans.is The value of the integral is 3.

lost sapphire
untold wing
lost sapphire
untold wing
lost sapphire
unborn cairn
# fleet drift

is that actually properly written? seems like dx should not be in the root

inland totem
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yaey another graph theory problem

fallen apex
inland totem
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hmm

rough anvil
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Yo is there any way to see how many aime quals came from your state

neon summit
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idt that's even possible

neon summit
scenic sun
neon summit
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wait

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oh yeah

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nvm

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no wait a minute

neon summit
neon summit
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I've changed it now

winter lake
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Does anyone knows a good handout/ressource to learn :

  1. Geometry of numbers: Lattice points. Pick's Theorem. Minkowski's Theorem. Geometric interpretation of the Farey sequence and continued fractions. Geometric proofs of the two square and four square theorems.

  2. Finite fields: Characteristic. Frobenius map. Counting irreducible polynomials. Uniqueness Theorem for the field of p^n elements.

3.Orders of elements

inner swift
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what i should study if i want start compete in math?

lost sapphire
untold wing
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other than that are just optional

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in geometry you just need to know angle chasing, i solved multiple IMO problems with just angle chasing

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in algebra, you need to know some basics abt factoring, inequalities, functions and polynomials(even tho they're getting less trendy)

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in number theory; you just need to know what primes are, whats divisbility, gcds, lcms and other stuff

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in combi u need to know abt counting, and maybe the pigeon hole principal

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for geometry, the first chapter of EGMO is awesome
for algebra, learn the topics independetly(idk any alg book)
for NT: first chapter of MONT
for combi : since there isnt that much theory to learn, you can learn it just by problem solving, if you really want to learn theory use "an exploration of olympiad combinatorics"

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again , dont expect theory to solve all ur problems, mo is literally 90% problem solving and motivating ur solutions(unless ur regional competitions are multiple choice questions wich require speed, those require u to just do past papers of them(i hate them so much))

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for more info u can join the math olympiad discord server

inland totem
thorny tusk
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thats like the only reason they're not trendy

untold wing
thorny tusk
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no?

untold wing
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Theres some advanced shit called Lagrange interplotation, it’s a fricking machine it kills almost every problem

thorny tusk
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oh yea

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that

untold wing
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It’s very VERY bashy

thorny tusk
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i didnt learn taht yet 😔

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thats the only reason why i didnt solve cmo p5

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official solutions

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were so

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advanced

inland totem
untold wing
inland totem
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hmm might have to look into that

untold wing
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Ohhh Wair mb mb

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It’s not Lagrange interplotation

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It’s multipliers

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They kill inequalities

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Not polynomials

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Wait wtf I though ur pfp was a cat 😭

inland totem
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lagrange multipliers ok

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thankfully i know abt that

neon summit
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again we should stop giving everything names

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I remembered searching how to do this in 8th grade I genuinely still remember it every now and then

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cuz it also kills patterns

inland totem
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orz

thorny tusk
neon summit
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what's the 2027th prime and you lowk just look at the organizers like that was a fair problem

thorny tusk
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2025 was cool

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perfect square

neon summit
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2025 shouldn't exist

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bad number

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worst year of my life >:(

thorny tusk
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why?

neon summit
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for the sake of my sanity I choose to be ignorant towards my own issues

thorny tusk
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why?

fallen apex
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N>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>…

worn flax
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rising 10th, planning to take the AMC 10 ts year; to those who have taken the test or also quali'd for AIME, what were your study sessions like, and how much did you spend studying?

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hoping to get some useful tips because im just grinding through the AOPS intro books and taking mock tests, but im having issues on my speed and test taking strategy 😔 always get nervous when i take certain tests and i waste time

empty cairn
inland totem
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i forgot complex bashing existed for a full few minutes while doing a problem catscream

neon summit
neon summit
thorny tusk
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that didnt work out very well

inland totem
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haiya

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u did great on aime

thorny tusk
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yes thanks

neon summit
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correction, AIME would need like 15 hours a day

ashen hatch
neon summit
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how unsurprising my country copied AIME's format

inland totem
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yeah doing a butt ton of practice tests just stops working after a certain point

neon summit
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wow I'd hate to do these

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source 2001 aime 2

neon summit
inland totem
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hmmm

thorny tusk
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that reminds me of

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like

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sharygin

inland totem
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geo 🤤

little wraith
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help pls is it B i don’t even know how i got to that i think i guessed

ivory ember
little wraith
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yes but ik i can google the answer and i read the solution but i still don’t get it which is why i askwd

thorny tusk
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what is this sneajer thing

ashen hatch
near hill
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<@&268886789983436800> another raid (search back for "sneajer" in the channel).

acoustic jetty
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oh dear

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measures have been taken

near hill
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Ah, it was even the same person, just with a new display name.

fast atlas
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Given integer n≥2, S is the set of the first 2n natural numbers. F is the family of subsets of S containing 2 elements. Prove that F can be partitioned into partitions of S.

fallen apex
knotty yoke
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Show $K_{2n}$ has 1-factorization.
This one is a known thing, ig, where you construct a $(2n-1)$-gon, having vertices $0, 1, \dots, 2n-2,$ and a special vertex at the center

gilded haloBOT
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LemmaLover

knotty yoke
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You connect the special vertex to vertex $0$ to get first factor

gilded haloBOT
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LemmaLover

knotty yoke
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Then generate the rest by rotation

rugged solstice
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"LemmaLover" lmfao

orchid raptor
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Hi, can someone help me understand the question ( without solving it)?

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I don't understand how the answer is not just simply ∞

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Like in this case, can't we just move the plane a little bit each time getting closer or further from the fourth vertix of the cube?

scenic sun
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You would need to consider that a plane here is essentially a flat 2D surface that extends ‘indefinitely’ in 3D space

orchid raptor
fallen apex
lost sapphire
silver forge
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Ahem

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I have returneth

echo ocean
# silver forge

why do these problems look like it come straight out of my math hw, like the format, the type of questions opencry

scenic sun
# orchid raptor I think I'm just having a problem visualizing it

That’s fine. You can go on Desmos 3D, type in “max(|x|,|y|,|z|) = 1” which represents a cube of side length 2 units that is centred at the origin. Now a plane can be described as the following equation: ax+by+cz+d = 0 for any real a,b,c,d. Just to make sure that this plane actually intersects the cube, check that |a|+|b|+|c| ≥ |d| for your choice of a,b,c,d. Desmos 3D cannot capture the infinite 3D space, so you might need to zoom out in order to see the plane extending indefinitely

echo ocean
echo ocean
# silver forge bru wutt

catshrug we love counting/ probability problems, so what would be a better place to find counting problems other than competition

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Also ig students are getting better so they have to level up the game

echo ocean
silver forge
clever kernel
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hello im jackie chan the math teacher

inland totem
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hmmm birdli rejoined

radiant shoal
inland totem
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<@&268886789983436800>

zinc ridge
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oop i got ||161|| smhow

radiant shoal
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wait

neon summit
# silver forge

why does it need to indicate area as positive
fake
the right angle one is pretty well shown, that the square of the hypotenuse is greater than that of the sum of the squares of the other two sides so x^2>10^2+17^2=389 so x__>__20 and with triangle inequality x<27 so you have the values

bro what is that combinatorics question

you can do the funny with the cube and find the plane PFM is in and then use fancy vector formulas to find the normal vector passing through the point G and then finding the distance fairly easily

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oh wait no I misread

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the cube part is hard mm

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I'm pretty sure there's a formula for distance of a point to a plane iirc

neon summit
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oh wait

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ohhhhhh

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I'm stupid

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gosh I hate combinatorics

neon summit
# silver forge

2nd one is like casework
since they're independent the order doesn't matter so just do the probabilities that 2 people picked odd 2 people picked even 4 people picked even or 4 people picked odd

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I don't know the formula for combinatorics or quite frankly anything related to probability, it's prolly some ||(5/9)^2(4/9)^2+(4/9)^4+(5/9)^4=400+256+625 /6561=like 1271 so 1+1+4+49=55 or smth||

zinc ridge
neon summit
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I see what you did there

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oh no the probability missing something

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oh wait no it isn't

zinc ridge
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i would probably js do for each dice the probability depends on the parity of the previous sum

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idk

silver forge
silver forge
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triangle inequality theorummmm

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and pythagorean theorum i think

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thats all u need

zinc ridge
silver forge
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then midpoint of that median

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then pythagorean theorum on the isoscles triangle

fallen apex
neon summit
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prolly works

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imagine cross section of the cube thing on the plane with LKHG and it kinda is just a line and a point so easy enough ig

echo ocean
neon summit
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||200-100sqrt2=x~=69|| which is kinda super far

severe eagle
neon summit
severe eagle
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combi is stupid

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why are you telling me to shut up 🥀

neon summit
severe eagle
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smh

neon summit
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now solve the cube thing

neon summit
severe eagle
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im learning algo

silver forge
silver forge
silver forge
echo ocean
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,w 200-100sqrt(2)

silver forge
echo ocean
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How did you even get 69 sus

silver forge
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let me see my answer

silver forge
echo ocean
silver forge
echo ocean
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I don't lol

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I do these type of problems like 5 times/day

echo ocean
zinc ridge
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ooks

neon summit
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I got an extra 1

neon summit
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I can solve it it'd just take me a while and paper and it's not really gonna be instantaneous

fleet drift
amber finch
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,w x^x = 3x

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hm.

fleet drift
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what is the value of x

knotty yoke
# fleet drift

If $x \neq 0,$ then:
$$ x^{x-1} = 3 $$
So, $x < 3.$ That is something I can conclude.
Use Newton-Raphson atp.
$x_1 = 0.23697$
$x_2 = 2.31197$

Or just use a graph

gilded haloBOT
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LemmaLover

inland totem
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hmm

untold wing
# fleet drift

i jusr HATE those "olympiad" problems, its almost always lamber w function or some ln shit

silver forge
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hmmm

spark scaffold
mighty pine
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because for like $x^{x}=ax,a\in\mathbb{R}\setminus(-\infty,0)$, you inevitably end up with $\ln({x}) e^{\ln({x-1})}=\ln({a})$

gilded haloBOT
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chudcel

orchid raptor
quick juniper
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lmao lobster when chkn was alre addy 2 be eaten then raw lobster instead of chkn ! added ! gratz.

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therefore 3 is 3 and 3 = 3 just not for me but I'll tell you three of climb a tree IIV just don't climb ivy even tho it's 3.

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up up and away !

quick juniper
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I saw

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if I were to say he went to club fed would you know?

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and that's why things are posted and not said, and I don't say things on here since ♬♪ ♬♪♫♩ ♪ ♫♩ you may never know. and I do not tell you, and we can't talk about it here... get it please be aware I am not that dolt.

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2 3 1

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ooos, I'm already not interested

inner hazel
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does anyone know how i can build olympiad style reasoning in my brain bc whenever i see an olympiad / quant interview question or anything of the sort i get stuck and dont know where to start

knotty yoke
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Like, break it into some $n$ finite cases, and see what happens in each of them.

gilded haloBOT
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LemmaLover

knotty yoke
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A more powerful method is: Invariance and Extremal Principle.
Basically, either consider what does not change, or, consider, what is the minimum or the maximum (the extremes) of a configuration. This gives insights that simplify a problem tremendously.

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For this, just read up on Chapter 1 and Chapter 3 of Arthur Engel Problem Solving Strategies.

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I think they are great resources.

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There is one thing that I'd want to tell you. You might think those who do well in Olympiads have a brain that thinks on levels that is outside your reach. While this may be true in some instances, it is not universally. With practice, most of the low-level stuff (SFFT, modular arithmetic, breaking into cases, invariance, coloring, pigeonhole, bijection, identities like Sophie Germain, inequalities like AM-GM, etc.) become automated, so their brain is free to think on higher lines, and reduce them into patterns they have already seen. With practice, these people probably have a LOT of patterns distilled in their mind. Even if they don't outright reveal it, it is just baked into muscles.

So, again, an overused word, but is appropriate here:** PRACTICE**

inner hazel
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i'll try doing maybe one problem every day

knotty yoke
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You should do problems if you feel like it.

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The really important skill to cultivate here is patience.

inner hazel
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is it fine if i spend more than like 2 hours on a single problem

knotty yoke
inner hazel
knotty yoke
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For olympiads

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They got a comprehensive archives for years and years of most olympiads you'd be concerned with.

knotty yoke
# inner hazel is it fine if i spend more than like 2 hours on a single problem

Coming with the expectation that you'd figure out the answer to a problem is something that might lead to hundreds of heartbreaks.
You should always try to make some progress, or at least eliminate some methods that do not work when dealing with a problem. if you can do that, you can always look back, and be happy that you did something

neon summit
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I tap out quicker than 40 minutes I'm just gonna ask without thinking whenever

fallen apex
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memorise = u wont do well

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u need to actually understand

echo ocean
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it pmo when people say there's no need to memorize things in math comp, ofc you do, remember as many known results, lemma and theorems as possible and also common/unique approaches and sub problems is such a big deal

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Derive them on the exam would take ages even if you understand them clearly

fallen apex
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if all u do is memorise then you wont do well

echo ocean
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that's said, you need to do both

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Understand and memorize

fallen apex
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in olympiad and contest prep yes, you memorise but when you are just buildling reasoning, there is no reason to memorize anything

echo ocean
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And people say memorize is not needed

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really pmo

fallen apex
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the only reason you need to memorize is cuz its timed
in reality you dont need to memorize anything

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thats just the reality of all maths

neon summit
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you'd be surprised

echo ocean
neon summit
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sure it may "come" as natural after a long time practicing but a lot is genuinely memory and studying

fallen apex
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and imo theres a differnece between active recall and straight up memorization those are two different things

echo ocean
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you can't do that if you don't memorize them all

fallen apex
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you probably referring to recall more than memorisation

neon summit
fallen apex
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memorisation is just like what u do when u cram right before a test and forget it after a few days

neon summit
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what

fallen apex
neon summit
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I think you're mistaking recollection with finding something familiar

fallen apex
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lemme formulate my thoughts more but i usually refer to memorization as just what ppl do as cramming and thinking they can do well just memorizing a bunch of formulas

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like ik ppl thinking they could do well in amc just by memorizing a book of formulas and theorems and they were sorely disappointed

neon summit
neon summit
echo ocean
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they, in fact, CAN do well even if they only memorize the theorems, even if they can't derive them, they only need to apply them well enough

neon summit
fallen apex
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who am i to argue against the goat terrence tao who doesnt memorise 😮‍💨

neon summit
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that reminds me what was that 1/3 things in the median of a triangle

fallen apex
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i dont know names anymore

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💀

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pov: <-- this person hasnt done any competition maths in 2 years

neon summit
fallen apex
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is is the relation between diagonals and sides

neon summit
neon summit
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and euler

fallen apex
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other one is just opposite angles sum to 180 surely but thats easy to see

echo ocean
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You have been taught that volume of the pyramid is 1/3 h Area right?? did you known how to derive them ?

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When you were taught?

fallen apex
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yes

neon summit
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frfr

echo ocean
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sus huh, so you were taught integral huh

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In 8th grade, i see

neon summit
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huh no I just cheatcode with calculus

fallen apex
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no?

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u dont need calculus

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just use geometry

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well i mean calculus is just geometry in some way

echo ocean
neon summit
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I was 12 and edgy

tiny eagle
neon summit
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I would suppose if we include the angle things, it'd be 4 theorems on cyclic quadrilaterals

echo ocean
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sus wao, I didn't even know what calculus is in 8th grade

neon summit
fallen apex
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!

echo ocean
neon summit
echo ocean
fallen apex
neon summit
fallen apex
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but also a lot of the formulas can be derived once you know some simpler stuff

neon summit
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without using calculus

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should be easy enough

echo ocean
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It's not physic mate

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Can't just do experiment

fallen apex
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why should i

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who am i to argue against euclid

echo ocean
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sus to show that you can

fallen apex
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🤣

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idc about euclidean geo

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i do diff ge

neon summit
fallen apex
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i just dont know

echo ocean
neon summit
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but you know the logic behind it don't you?

fallen apex
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and n>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>cag

neon summit
fallen apex
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💀

neon summit
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I'm not familiar with terms I've only ever seen once

tiny eagle
neon summit
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right

fallen apex
echo ocean
fallen apex
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there

neon summit
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why is nt>alg alg>n

neon summit
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alg>nt>geo>combinatorics

tiny eagle
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Geo > alg >>> Nt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> C

echo ocean
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nuh uh

neon summit
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whoever says algebra isn't easy is high, whoever likes number theory is higher, geo is bad enough but manageable, combinatorics is just plain worse than geo

echo ocean
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you lwk don't have to memorize that much for combi

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compare to others

neon summit
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the only time I'd apply just using logic for a problem is combinatorics because IT IS JUST USING LOGIC AND USING LIKE 3 DIFF FORMULAS

fallen apex
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lokey

tiny eagle
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Case bashing gives me horrors

neon summit
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IT'S TOO INTUITIVE

fallen apex
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idk how to do square pyramid

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need more machinery than my brain can handle

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ik triangular tho

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u ujst use geometry

echo ocean
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so that's good

neon summit
# fallen apex idk how to do square pyramid

the size of the square base increases by a certain ratio when you increase the height, an infinitesimally thin slice/cross section of the pyramid parallel to the base would have a volume of dh*(s)^2 so dV=s^2 dh now you express s in h and

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wait

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is that how it geos

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I think it is but I'm probably wrong

fallen apex
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well yea ik how to do with calculus

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can u do it without calculus?
exercise: prove, or disprove

neon summit
echo ocean
fallen apex
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just trianlges

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oh i just describe all of euclidean geometry

neon summit
fallen apex
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all u need is trianlges

neon summit
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nope nvm

neon summit
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probably it's possible to imagine smaller of such cases but as of the moment I'm stupid

neon summit
fallen apex
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yea the goal is to not use machinery beyond precalculus ig

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or i guess trig idk

primal bridge
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hello does anyone wanna participate with me in the MPL? its a great math competition I am trying to make a team if you would like to participate message me

spark scaffold
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How can u factor x^pi=1

rugged solstice
spark scaffold
rugged solstice
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What

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Like factor $x^{\pi}=1$?

gilded haloBOT
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Tangent

spark scaffold
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Yes

rugged solstice
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Hmm

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$x^\pi=e^{i*2\pi k}\x=e^{i*2k}\iff k\in\Z$

gilded haloBOT
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Tangent

rugged solstice
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There you go

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@spark scaffold

spark scaffold
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Thanks

spark scaffold
rugged solstice
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...

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If you were asking I assumed you also wanted complex roots

near hill
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Most of those e^i2k won't have i2k as their principal logarithm, though. So there's a threatening morass of pedantry about equations between multi-valued expressions.

inland totem
rugged solstice
inland totem
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nt is fun

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but geo is best

rugged solstice
rugged solstice
silver forge
near hill
# rugged solstice Wdym

For example, it if you set x=e^4i, then what is x^pi?
According to the most general single-valued definition of exponentiation I'm aware of that applies here, that should be e^(Log(x)·pi).
However, Log(x) is not 4i, but rather (4-2pi)i, since the principal argument is the one between -pi and pi.
So x^pi in that case ends up being e^i(4pi-2pi²) = 0.63 - 0.78i, which is not 1.

rugged solstice
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Huh

near hill
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The basic problem for your reasoning is that you cannot rely on (e^a)^b = e^(ab) when there are complex numbers involved.

silver forge
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troposphere still carrying

rugged solstice
near hill
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Yeah, we'd need to do that.

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In fact it will only work for k in {-1,0,1}.

rugged solstice
rugged solstice
fallen apex
fallen apex
inland totem
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🦧

glad flame
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true

neon summit
inland totem
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hmm

neon summit
# inland totem hmm

is a kettle without the cap at the top and the handle included homeomorphic to eyeglasses without lens

inland totem
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uhh i dont think so

thick onyx
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hi

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i'm new

neon summit
inland totem
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ok

quick juniper
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n - 2 ( 180 )

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where n is the number of sides.

thin pumice
# quick juniper n - 2 ( 180 )

im sry for this but correction: the formula is 180(n-2) bcuz u need bedmas and order of operations or else it would turn into n-360 or unless ur doing (n^2-360)/n thingy

radiant shoal
zinc ridge
radiant shoal
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ye

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well

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both

quick juniper
quick juniper
fallen apex
obtuse aspen
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Hey guys
How do you prepare for maths olympiad?

rugged solstice
neon summit
neon summit
neon summit
severe eagle
neon summit
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but is it possible

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with accurate hitboxes

mental cove
tired raptor
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hey can anyone explain the gaussian intergral??

urban ingot
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I challenge every1 to solve ques 2.

urban ingot
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Of hour

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<@&286206848099549185>

urban ingot
urban ingot
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This is Olympiad ques

azure island
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67

echo ocean
echo ocean
echo ocean
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hmmm

urban ingot
azure island
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vectors and ratios in geometry

urban ingot
echo ocean
echo ocean
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should have label the intersection

urban ingot
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V clever approach

azure island
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1/X = AC/AT = 67

neon summit
neon summit
# urban ingot I challenge every1 to solve ques 2.

I wanna do number 5 because number 5 is algebra and it doesn't suck
so obviously we can tell from the get go that
(m+10)(m+11)(2m+21)/6-(m-1)(m)(2m-1)/6=n^2
(2m^3+63m^2+(220+231+210)m+2310-(m^3-3m^2+m)=6n^2
66m^2+660m+2310=6n^2 => 11m^2+110m+385=n^2
11(m^2+10m+35)=n^2
11(m+3)(m+7)=n^2
so now ||m=15, n=22 => m+n=37||

neon summit
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No 4. is just 81M+80=16N+540 leading to 81M=16N+460 which you then do fancy mod stuff and get ||N=275, M=81||

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never doing geometry

grand ember
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1+1=_

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(Hint: 11)

mighty pine
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$1+_{2}1=0$

gilded haloBOT
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chudcel

mighty pine
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those who know

fair bronze
fleet drift
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derivative of x^(x^(x^(x)))

inland totem
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hmm

inland totem
fallen apex
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btw

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theres only one log

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and thats the natural log

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all other logs are unnatural

neon summit
# fleet drift derivative of x^(x^(x^(x)))

let y=x^x^x^x, u=x^x^x, v=x^x
lny=(x^x^x)lnx
lnu=(x^x)lnx
lnv=xlnx
(dv/dx)/v=lnx+1=> dv/dx=(lnx+1)(x^x)
(du/dx)/u=(lnx+1)(x^x)lnx+(x^x)/x => du/dx=((lnx+1)(x^x)lnx+(x^x)/x)(x^x^x)
(dy/dx)/y=((lnx+1)(x^x)lnx+(x^x)/x)(x^x^x)(lnx)+x^x^x/x => dy/dx=(((lnx+1)(x^x)lnx+(x^x)/x)(x^x^x)(lnx)+x^x^x/x)(x^x^x^x)
is the general way to do it

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you have the funny blackpenredpen option

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wait no blackpenredpen did like 2^x^2^x

fallen apex
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now find a recursive formula

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essentialy find the derivative of $^n x$ where $^n x = x^{x^{\cdot^{\cdot^{x}}}}$ ($n$ times)

gilded haloBOT
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kate (online)

neon summit
fallen apex
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u can probably just use pduct notation

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product

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when i get home ill do it

neon summit
fallen apex
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ill do it later

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looks interesting enough that idm

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and im bored and tired

inland totem
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<@&268886789983436800>

thorny tusk
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what happened

neon summit
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I happened

thorny tusk
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wat a great thing to happen

dim garden
# gilded halo **kate (online)**

x tetrated n times= xxx.... x times to equal x^x, and that amount of times to equal , yk the amount of products is 1 less than the tetration

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so product rule wont simplify it enough

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you need to make sure there is a derivative first

neon summit
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suppose it's for values of x >0

spark scaffold
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How can we solve x^x=3^(324)

fallen apex
spark scaffold
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It’s 3^(4x81)

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Then 3^4=81

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Therefore x=81

fallen apex
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Yep

molten wedge
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Quick question would an 8th grade putnam style question count as competition math

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Since well
-# its a putnam style question

thorny tusk
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putnam is a competition right?

sinful current
# thorny tusk putnam is a competition right?

The William Lowell Putnam Mathematical Competition is the premier North American undergraduate mathematics exam, held annually on the first Saturday of December. It consists of two three-hour sessions (12 problems total) challenging students' mathematical ingenuity, typically in calculus, algebra, and combinatorics. The competition is notoriously difficult, with a median score often at or near zero, yet it is highly esteemed

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I myslef gave one of its test for fun and got 4 marks , even though I am a full on Olympiad student although I am only 17

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The age is range usually lies between 17-22 ( u just shouldnt have any college degree )

oak tartan
mighty pine
neon summit
blazing coral
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some putnam questions are moderate but ive never done one at "8th grade level"

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but tbf i flunkedd ts and got a 6/120 💀

spark scaffold
mighty pine
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yes

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i think it just returns 81 here

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because the argument is positive

thorny tusk
calm grove
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I need help with how to solve an non homogeneous differential equation with constant or variable coefficients with the right hand side needing the use of a convolution method when solving it with the method of laplace transform (LAPLACE ONLY!!!!!) please im curious on how the problem looks when solved

shy raptor
novel karma
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Is anyone going to mao nats this summer

knotty yoke
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Solve this one guys!

spark scaffold
sturdy knoll
sturdy knoll
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?

spark scaffold
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Yes

spark scaffold
sturdy knoll
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Uh sure

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Where this problem from

spark scaffold
spark scaffold
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If they say f(x+5)=0

sturdy knoll
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Obly that one?

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Okay

spark scaffold
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Is it mean do synthetic then set it as zero

sturdy knoll
spark scaffold
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Looks like right now

sturdy knoll
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I would js plug in simplify and aolve

spark scaffold
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Still do synthetic and plug it in and set (x+5)=0

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So that’s the remainder is the ans

spark scaffold
sturdy knoll
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I don’t think that’s right

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Cuz what I would do

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Is plug x-5 into the equation you get in b

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And one of the parts becomes (x-2)

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Which gives you x=2

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As a rral root

spark scaffold
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Yes

sturdy knoll
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No

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??

spark scaffold
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Bc it’s a horizontal shift of 5