#competition-math
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ye, the multiplication simplifies the fraction a tone, allowing for it to be raised to the 48th power
clever trick
ima keep that in mind for next time
all
you have to start off from the beginner level
but there is a comp every single week
meaning that as the weeks progress
you can climb up the levels
and while doing so you get a ranking
sounds fun 👍
how easy is beginner level
cuz i still haven't fully gone through proof-making and number theory and yada yada
oops mb your original message said already
well learn how to write proofs
I'm tryin
i need to learn number theory before i do that
(and combinatorics)
what?
no u dont
proofs are not restricted to number theory
i see your point (although a lot of proofs are about number theory and modular thingies)
but what i'm saying is that i'm not going to spend one hour/day doing proofs and then skipping across to number theory
i need to grind one subject until it becomes memory so i don't forget part of it while switching
i can prove simple things
like how the sum of two odd numbers is even
but not da harder stuf
and if i don't know a topic i can't prove something related to it either way
learn number theory by writing proofs then
or just learn everything by writing proofs now
i probably could do that 😅
but ima go through AoPS to get some basic knowledge first
i'll see where I can get with this strategy for a short while
gonna be publishing papers before i go to uni if i do that ig
why not pick up monts or something
is monts a book?
i get all of my resources/textbooks from deepseek so i wouldn't know if it was a book, paper, or website
hi, i am a fourth year comp sci student who has no competition math background, I wanted to get into it and here i am, i tried reading undergraduate level books about combinatorics, number theory and graph theory. I was able to read them and come up with solutions but it took me so much time because I have so much gaps in my math that i just spend most of the time rederiving results that are not relevant to my specific problem, i feel like I went straight to advanced stuff while i lack the basics, i have formal training in undergrad comp sci math but it doesnt help much because it just doesn't feel similar to problem oriented math,
now the question is, what do you guys recommend, should I like train highschool level olympiad so that I gain some maturity and the things i had to rethink about become trivial therefore i can focus on the given problems?
penguineatenbyme
I think maybe it's worth it to ask yourself why you want to do competition math
olympiad maths is a very specific flavour of maths that requires really little background knowledge but ask incredibly convoluted questions
if you're just interested in maths in general, there is no reason to restrict yourself to competition maths, which, imo, gives a rather skewed view of what higher maths is like
I think competition math
helps with reasoning
about problems
in any given setting
many times in my comp sci degree i encounter material that requires thinking where people I know who do competition math find to be trivial, and they basically appear to be smarter
especially in competitive programming
it helps visualize things, test hypothesis, identify invariants and doing problem reduction
well at least that's why i want to do it
I think it is just their familiarity with proof-based reasoning
It is nothing inherent to competition maths itself
I am not sure what "undergrad comp sci math" entails, but in a lot of comp sci programs they don't really teach students how to reason
This is more of problem solving strategies rather than specifically competition math
it can teach you to think more openly and be innovative/creative with questions
you don't get questions with obvious structures (you don't just apply the right formulas) so you have to 'think outside of the box'
so it's not specifically the topics, just the style of question
NO
n
intuition is best learnt by experience
aops is really good
anyone from india here?
Here
your server tag...
vol 1? I think i have it but idk if it's a good read
id say high school olympiad problems are not pushovers, probably doesn't hurt. some of the topics like inequalities are maybe not as relevant or important to what you're looking for, but there are lots of slick problems if you dig around
Hi
hello
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hi
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it is
along with vol 2
if u want in depth info abt something specific, i'd advise you to read something else tho
hi patric
hi
hi friend
damn thats good
i still dont know my score bru
do u do mc
it should've come out alr
i got mine in gmail
Check maa website
what's that?
mathcounts
they have ur scores?
Edvistas
Yeah
my school coach js give them after a month or sm
Yeah
i hope for 22
Why
oohhhh. no, the one time i was supposed to go to a mathcounts comp with my team i was chosen to go to nsb instead
cuz i got 20 last year
What grade?
i think i got a 22-23 hopefull
8
Yes good luck
mathcounts is tuff
Bro I got 22 and 23
my chapter comp is tmr
good luck 🤞
1 increase
unlucky bru😔
thx
but nsb had free ice cream to 11pm
my big back wanted that
tuff
lol
Not tuff
gl
One increase is rlly bad
what state
hi friends
i absolutely sold 25
i didn't think to solve it via recursion 😭
yo
you dont solve with recursion
you list out cases
there only a few and most are trivial
the 1st solu includes recursion
i forgor my solving process for a while now
i think so, tho
wsp
im new
what grade
6 but im in high school
huh what?
Nice one
wait r u supposed to be in 6th but in highschool?
best go to #diff-geo-diff-top to ask abt string theory
i think
my parents say im above avg
well obviously
i ain qualified for ts 💔 ✌️
all i can say is watch big bang theory
k
wait, if u don't mind can u gimme ur name?
if ur taking hs as a 6th grader that must be known at least a little
na im good
ok 👍
@stark warren i can help u on big bang
it was a joke bruu
its a show💔
and i remmebr em mentionjgn string theory or am
sm
i've never formally studied string theory specifically, but doesn't it have to do with like vibrating energy strings?
it has to do with the different detentions in the display of strings
and how quantum physics work
i have ZERO clue
well i know that, but that's basically it
i cant go over every deet that would take days
ye, like almost every higher math
not everyone is a child prodigy - people have diff interests
if u don't mind me asking, what maths have u studied before?
algabra but very very basic
but string theory requires topology and complex analy knowledge
why did the big bang happen
i love quantum physics
more quantum computing tho
K
just saying bro
hi patrick
Given acute triangle ABC, find the minimum of P=sinAsinBsinCtanAtanBtanC
This has a very simple solution using ||AM-GM ineq||
occurs when triangle is equilateral
can be proved via jenson, and taking partial derivatives
Yes, that's the equality case for most of those inequalities
but prolly a bit overkill
Indeed
A middle school student could solve this without much trouble
most middle schoolers don't know what am-gm is
i would know
i am one
Well that depends on your country's education system
olol
In my country, it's in the books they use at school, so all 9th graders would know it
(not too in depth, but they would have heard of it)
what’s am gm
arithemtic mean geometric mean inequality
(a1 X a2... X an)^1/n≤(a1+a2...+an)/n
hi
hey guys, im new here, idk exactly which channel i should ask this but i belive that this is the ideal place
at my uni there's a derivatives bee tournament, the derivatives are between a medium and difficult level, they are easy to solve with time, but you need to solve them in only about 2 minutes, searching on yt, i only found material for the mit integration bee and its strategies, could someone recommend some videos/books for competitive derivatives?
Hey gang
hello
hi
honestly i would just ask chatgpt generate some difficult questions and i kept solving them until i could do them confidently.. maybe the tournament at my school was easy but for me? it worked like a charm (you can send it a photo to make it say questions depending on your textbook style)
what is
Are you talking bout derivatives?
There are books both for theory and practice questions
What’s the best one
in gmail - they just emailed me like a day ago
physical mail? i don't know, sry
hi friends
what did u get
on amc or aime
both
aime
gj
yea it is
Hey people
This is FS from Bangladesh
I’m a grade-12 student and hopefully will be participating in the IYMC final rounds 2 days later
Anyone else who will participate in the same competition?
no idea what the iymc is
cemc gauss by waterloo
25 question but a score out of 140
A wide range of past CEMC contests and their solutions to familiarize yourself with the contest format, level of difficulty, and problem solving strategies.
whats a waterloo
It’s the name of a Canadian university, one of the world’s best ones
ohh
yea very interesting problems tbh
honestly it’s kinda easier than amc8
def not harder
yea amc8 is pretty easy
hi friends
hello
hi friend
hello child
hi other child
what are you up to
look at all these people interacting 🥹
doing chem hbu
LOLL
doing some pascal problems but i’m at my sisters bday party so i can really only do the first 20 cuz i have no paper
uh ur doing math at a party?
who doesn't
uh yes 🥹
ohh rip
LOL
fire 🔥
Depends on the party
hi friends
hi
fuh nah 🙏 😭
i deteste music
why 🙁
bro my guitar teacher is like: "you need to practice more"
but my mom is like
"do more math"
but its fun
OOO LOl
lol
hi friend
playing badminton is tuff
so many people in my school play badminton tho
the long jump
high jump i mean*
hmmm
i get those mixed up lol
hmmm

hmmm
hi hi
i’m not very artsy 😭
i’m top of the class in literally everything but below average in every art (music art and theatre)
to be fair it’s by like .30 below average but still
compared to my other high marks it’s sad
theatre i hate
hate with a passion
my drama class is quite literally playing games most of the time but when we actually act it’s horrible
i’m the opposite 😭
good one
thanks
OH
LOLLL
guys algebra or geometry
dont mention that disgusting word
-# geometry
-# 🤮
definitely algebra
geometry was a pain
then algebra II felt so much better
bro why everyone hating on geometry 😭
no one likes geometry
not really hating but when I get to proving them ASA ASS SSA 😭
oh that
i mean comp geometry
just all geometry
especially that euclidian geometry olympiad book
oh ye i hated that
only one abt geometry i disliked tho
lowkey what grade did y'all take geometry and algebra II?
geo 8th and alg 2 9
geometry i'm currently taking
alg 2 over summer
Niceee
so i can go to precalc as an 8th grader
how do you take classes over the summer
talk with ur counseler
geo 13/2 and alg 2 7
My school didn't offer geometry in 8th so I did both geometry and algebra II in 9th
o rip
agreed
Does classes over summer count towards gpa or nah?
im in 8th grade doing alg 1 how would that worj
work
i think u can earn credits
geometry is fun when in comps but school geometry sucks
take geo during summer
since in going into highschool next year
usually, ye
IKR SO BAD, i like failed the class
again, ask ur counseler
i'm not trained for dis
What program did you use? was it expensive?
ok
i’m in the us but i go to a french school so i don’t have these like american terms
it's not summer yet
i plan to go
i’m doing HL maths next year
but idk the cost
high level
oh alr
go ask student services, if ur school has that
yeah might have to do online courses but most of them tells me to pay the whole tuition (never got past that part) I wanted to do Linear Algebra or Differential equations before college
i advise u take linear alg with calc ii so u can go to diff eq and pass the class easier
also do u plan to take calc iii
my school only has calc AB and BC so I am planning to take both in junior year
nice
what grade r u currently in
im currently in it
Freshman
i see
freshy
man
LOLL
freshyman
...👍
hi
hi friend
did any of yall make mc states
can u do mathcounts when u want? or do u need to have a team?
im pretu sure u need
hmmm
but math counts kinda sucks so manky
what about math league?
I am the only in my state this year 😭
do y'all have any reconmended competitions?
no u dont need it
you can register as nsc
amc
i love waterloo comps
pascal and gauss
AIME
amc too but i find them repetitive
usajmo
if u live in cali u can do bmmt or bmt or bamo
imo ☠️
terry tao
alrighty!
stephen hawk tuah
oiler(euler)
IYMC but lwk mid
wait one of my friends is called that
LOLLLL
*discord, not irl
thanks friend
oilers theorem
hello everyone i have an inquiry on the qualifying of mathcon nationals
i am in 7th grade and got a 245/300 in the first online test
is this score enough for me to go to the nationals
and what is the cutoff for the qualifying of nationals
is this the one where the finals are held in chicago
yes
o lol
is there a server focused on math comps
i mean not that much
it was mid
it primarily depends on the other students scorings
Please don't advertise your server here @light urchin, I'm going to remove this now 
can someone please answer my question above
no idea tbh
guys what does this even mean (amc10b 2025)
this is the only one i’m stuck on
i don’t even get the question
like we have no info or i’m missing smth
this question is worded in a really shit way
um
like
there cant be a fraction of a cent
which is what the whole problem is centered around
like youre solving for the total price abb.ba such that the cost of each shirt is an actual valid price without fractional cents
HELP FR
yeah idk why they chose to write it like that
like that was unnecessary
also yes there is like 1000
can i have rhemmm
thank u 🖤
also im doing the 2025 problems did anyone else find #16 way too easy
i literally did it in my head
Ooo I remember solving that one
what was it
i know all the factorials from 1-10 so that made it easier to solve
also no calcs in amc10 im pretty sure so
yea lol
greetings
greetings friend
O
yuppy
wus this ?
a rubbish problem
a really easy one
yea LOL
hi
how tho
yeah
? wait
am i missing something
3! is 6
ahould it be 6x6
which is 36 not 18
o wait oops i mean 3 colors * secotrs = amount of ways
but then u add 6 because its impossible to have zero or exactly two opposite pairs with the same color given the constraints
i get the 0 part but how do you determine that there are 5 ways in which the colours are next to each other
(forgive me if i’m asking dumv quesyions i’m js reallu tired and it’s minda late)
lol nah u good
well u can think of it has there are 18 ways where only ONE color is diametrically opposite itself
and since there are 6 sectors, there are 6 ways where all colors or diametrically opposite themselves
and adding gives 18+6 = 24
its worded in a really rubbish way lol
hi friends
Uh 3! Is 3x2x1
it’s a formula
whenever you’re finding ways to do like a certain amount of something, like two (because it’s a pair) out of six in this case we are using this formula. n!/(n-r)! which basically means the total amount (6) over 6 minus the amount you’re finding (2). so we get 6!/4! which is 720/24 or 30. then we have to count the amount of ways there are two neighbroing colors because they said they can’t touch, which is six. so 30 possibilities minus 6 possibilities where they touch equals 24 (30-6)
i hope that makes sense
yep
also greetings
just woke up like 30min ago
same
it’s 930
guys what’s our opinion on this problem i think it’s wayyy too easy to be #21 in the final section (8 points for a correct answer) when i did it in my head in 30 seconds
holy easy
it’s literally one
That looks too easy
i feel it’s more common sense than math atp
it’s literally half of 60 (30 )is the area, 30/6 is 5 and 6-5 is one
and sometimes you get those 30 step impossible ones on #11 so you guess and move on
Answer A
pythagorean theorem
so the rope is being pulled down by the weight of the person standing on it, which obv stretches it to it's max length
establish a complex/coordinate system and use vectors
overkill, but yeah, that works
no need for complex
oh so you find the hypotenuses and add them?
i think i can do it
thank u
if there weren't the 3 meters height and 5 meters length how could it have been solved
whats even a coordinate system
havent seen this yet
daym il est français
so without the length and height info we should've used this system then ?
no way to do the problem without dimensions
just the 14 and 15
u said without length and height - so no info is given
no way to solve if the question is like that
just the 5 and 3
vectors would work best I think
can you show us how to do it
i think the pythagorean is the fastest
just add the lengths
no need for vectors
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hi
hi frend
hi
hi children
hi friend
hi child
heyooo
Hello?
No
hi friend
Yep
mc??
Mathcounts
ohh
im doing bmmt
wdym
nop
wha
kk
hi
hello my friend
french + swahili
ayyyy i speak french
i speak french and czech and uh idk if this counts but i take latin as well
ahhh bon
o
i spend the last 2 fucking hours putting together furniture
i'm so pissed
mvoign fornautire for what
it was like a whole 2 couches
and we had to move other things
throw stuff out, etc
to make house look better
MY PARENTS JUST BROUGHT LIKE 5 INDUSTRIAL SIZED BOXES INTO THE HOUSE
IDK WHY
LOL i thought u were moving
Hola, ¿qué tal? ¿Aquí solo hablan inglés o también español?Hello, how about it? Do they only speak English or Spanish here?o
english
Ok
butn mathcounts is the most important ms comp 😭
english clearly
mandarin and spanish
thats like the one comp you should do
uh
knowing swahili is tuff
french is bleh
i only know mandarin chinese outside of english
fr?
ye
why ):
just because
non non j’aime le français c magnifique
🥖
mb 🥹
JE SUIS DACCORD
np
amc8/10
amc8 is less important
amc10 you can take in middle school but thats technically not a ms comp
a lot of people take amc10 in middle school though
and it is a lot more importnat because you can qual for AIME/JMO
yes?
but thats literally not an ms comp
like you cant call it that??
like i took it in mdidle school too..
ts like saying the sat is the most important ms exam
you can take it in middle school but its not intended for ms
u literally can't take the sat in ms
yeah but it’s not an ms comp
at least u can take the amc 10 in ms
you can 😭
Target audience aint ms
wait what
it says it generally doesn't count toward college applications
so no point
but i also don't really trust the clanker
Mathcounts is THE middle school comp
Definitely what a mser should be looking forward to the most in terms of comps
i love aime
RIP
i got 3 on aime 🥲
better than 0
not bad
but they had free icecream
i want some 🙁
up to 11pm
it's okay
OHHH RIP i ALMOST di dth at
wya
u did good
hm?
where freeicreamc
qhwat
hi
hi
interesting
wait
yes (also gaijin spotted)
if 1<m<x, then m in base x is just m
if you solve this im giving you a cookie
glory the snail
yes
but its for any number in base x not js m
i practically do comp math for a living 😭
same
along with grinding wt
sounds like a peak life
thats like my lifes work gone down the drain in a minute
i mean i haven't been alive that long but still
hi friends
where my cookie
i'll give you some toast instead as a reward
alr
are u in the uk? if yes how do u recommend someone to train for the intermediate olympiads or bmo1
sadly, no
us
aww
true
how do you recommend i grt betyer besides prac problems
by buying books
and reading them
which other ones do you recommend
books by titu andreescu
mathematician
yo ts guy looks like the tuffest mathematician out there
are there any you recommend i start with
intro to addition
and subtraction
??
he is
ts not there
is the
uh
number theory
one
a good start
intro to... 1, 2, and 3
hi friends
this is if m | x-1 so like x-1 is prime so like k is a prime plus 1?
I feel like doing practice problems is most effective
Cus that's what I did
Btw did anyone go to HMMT? I went
NO idea what that is
<@&268886789983436800> um so im pretty sure this is a scam..
Ye
oh yay im not 1 day banned anymore
hi
Me too
Sorry about that 
Bro u got the audience integral right
its okay
∫∫ jumpscare
Nooo not double integral 😭
I need a learn integration techniques
what was the integral
Chebyshev polynomial
it’s well known
Fair but stil
Integral from 0 to 1 of cos(1000arccosx) dx
Almost nobody participated in it tho
Bro like at least 100 people submitted
Fr?
Ues
I didn’t see many
Alright my plane is about to take off
How many people raised their papers up
Alr have a good trip
My plane back was at 6 am
😭
Fahhhh
the server tag 💀
okay
Mann
Yea lmao
LOLL
hey children
hi child
hi
what are we up to
what type of math?
calculus
what comp r u practicing
also how r y’all making your integrals look nice
🐈🐈🐈
$\iint \iiint$
🐈🐈🐈
cuz like..
That’s fine
like on paper
i thought you were drawing on a clear white board lol
How does that look like a whiteboard lmao
i am not sure 😔
Hi not sure
like those office walls yk
like these
anyways i gotta wake up early for skiing tmrw
gn
LOLLLL
rip, cya
pov int floor tan x
what in calc
limits derivatives integrals differnetiaon, methods of integration, and a buncha other stuff
o u were prob asking WHAT in calc not whats in calc
mb
i made this
how to be sorz
im norz
you admit
no
if i took imo i wouldnt even get silver
and with exam stress id be happy for bronze
Lokey
Ony in shanghai
hi friend
yep well done
i reached a bit of a mind block trying to move up so i went back to the basics to kind of ground my self and get some stability
limits, derivatives, integrals, the easy things
yeah that makes sense
k-1 and its non-1 divisors are the only numbees u can test base k with
so k-1 has to be proime
andy went
lol ur frends with wowyok and scattered
tuff
mustve been hard
yes lol
was pretty hard
hi like any of you guys writing IMO'
whos writing?
yay
u owe me cookie too
is that not how u are supposed to draw integrals
Have any of you guys joined a math olympiad?
no
pwwweaasseeee 🥺
oh
i hit a mindblockfor
uh
trig sub
took me way too long to get it
wait till u see hyperbolic sub