competition-math

[warm rock]

yeah

[zinc tundra]

google cloud is creating agents soon

were doomed

but OpenAI didnt accquite windsurf

[warm rock]

it would be interesting if the tables turn such that creative jobs (humanities, acting etc) get payed more and are more valuable than technical job

[orchid linden]

rob miles AI safety has good videos on AI stuffs

[warm rock]

it may happen tho

[zinc tundra]

2027

[orchid linden]

thatd be funny

[zinc tundra]

heh

[orchid linden]

wouldnt be bad for me tho cause i do art

[sleek ravine]

nah a.i. is good at humanities as well

[warm rock]

(i wasnt talking about art)

photography is FRIED

art is partially cooked

[sleek ravine]

nearly enough for people to not know the difference

[torpid cairn]

the black pill here is that interacting with and experiencing human art isn't gonna be very distinguishable from AI art, and very few people will specifically seek human work

[sleek ravine]

definitely will be enough soon

[zinc tundra]

doctors?

i feel not as much

[warm rock]

i dont see ai doing too much for doctors but idk

[sleek ravine]

a.i. can diagnose better than u can

[warm rock]

robots definitely

but ai?

[zinc tundra]

in 100 years

[torpid cairn]

I mean the threat is AI robots right lmao at that point it's over for each and every one of us

I think it's a little unrealistic though, for now

[sleek ravine]

10*

[zinc tundra]

AI will prob help write reports/ assist but idk if people trust AI that much

[orchid linden]

wdym by ai robot?

[zinc tundra]

by the time we have AI diagnostics

[sleek ravine]

it already does

[zinc tundra]

no i meam like replacing certain desk jobs or wtv

[torpid cairn]

robots with AI equipped for movement & speech basically

[warm rock]

considering ai cant solve high school geometry problems we prolly have a few years

at the minimum

[zinc tundra]

it can

[torpid cairn]

this isn't true

geometry is a strong point for AI

[zinc tundra]

it can solve olympiad problems

[warm rock]

EVERY time i put a math problem in ai it gets it wrong

[sleek ravine]

there's better a.i. then free a.i.

[warm rock]

what ai yall be using😭

[zinc tundra]

money AI

[sleek ravine]

free, public a.i. is bad but they have better a.i. 💀

[torpid cairn]

yeah like the Google search ai sucks if that's what ur talking about

[zinc tundra]

ur prob using chatgpt free

[sleek ravine]

no like chat gpt and deepseek aint allat

[torpid cairn]

gpt free isn't that bad either

[zinc tundra]

u gotta like use AI that are designed for math

[warm rock]

gemini copilot and chatgpt (all free) always get my questions wrong

[severe eagle]

Welcome to mathcord @zinc tundra

[orchid linden]

nah the problem is AI becoming smarter than us and not having the same values/motives as us

[zinc tundra]

thanks carbonite

[sleek ravine]

it only haves what motives we give it

me when haves = has

[orchid linden]

Nuh uh
hard to tell

[zinc tundra]

just bro wait

[orchid linden]

It just has whatever motives needed to score well on training

[warm rock]

the idea that ai could gain consciousness is impossible

[orchid linden]

which we dont know about cause we dont know how AIs work

[sleek ravine]

bro source code exists

[warm rock]

that may sound naive but that would break so many foundations

[torpid cairn]

what's consciousness

[orchid linden]

Yeah but like if you have 1293i1902 weights you cant produce some meaning out of it

[zinc tundra]

r we deaduzz

[torpid cairn]

I'm being deadass don't skull react me

[warm rock]

yeah ik

[zinc tundra]

the idea of being alive or some

[warm rock]

i skulled bc u cant answer that

[torpid cairn]

fair

[zinc tundra]

idk im training for usabo i dont know the answer

am i cooked

[torpid cairn]

what's usabo

[warm rock]

bio olympiad

[torpid cairn]

oh cool

[wanton ridge]

sniped oof

[warm rock]

lmao

[zinc tundra]

lefty

[torpid cairn]

man I hate bio I could never

[warm rock]

yo

[wanton ridge]

I was about to write the whole name

[zinc tundra]

if u have the chance take amc 10 and 12 but 12 only for experience

who cares if u score like a 10

[warm rock]

if i score a 10 ill be ecstatic bro

i was gonna take 10a and 10b

[zinc tundra]

bro the first question is free

[zinc tundra]

take both amc 10 and maybe 1 amc 12

[warm rock]

ts is what u get for liking to kill a mocking bird

[torpid cairn]

37.5 for putting ur name on the paper and leaving the rest blank

[wanton ridge]

[torpid cairn]

deserved bro that book was ass

[warm rock]

wtf is this emohi

stop ew

[warm rock]

ur not allowed

u can only take 1 of each or 2 of the same

or js 1

[zinc tundra]

bro what state are you in

[wanton ridge]

I use it when I laugh at something that's not exactly positive

[zinc tundra]

a and b are two different weeks

[warm rock]

10a shares questions with 12a. so u cant take both bc ud know some of the answers

same with 10b and 12b

[zinc tundra]

OMG BRO WHY ARE THERE TWO PATHWAYS FOR ALG 2 wth is data science or wth

[warm rock]

NY but i believe that rule is nationwide

[zinc tundra]

oh

i took a and b

did my protor break all the rules

[warm rock]

u can take a and b

just not 2 a's or 2 b's

[torpid cairn]

do u guys have a favorite comp question of all time

I'm curious

[zinc tundra]

bro suqence now i now how to solve

dont mind my spelling

[torpid cairn]

what 😭

[warm rock]

imo 2011 q2 because i saw a yt vid on it and it got me into comp math

[torpid cairn]

ohhh is that the windmill

[warm rock]

yeah lol

[torpid cairn]

hell yeah I saw that one

[zinc tundra]

these dudes so invested into IMO

[warm rock]

did evan chen compete in that one?

[zinc tundra]

why do u know their names 😭

[warm rock]

thats diff

[torpid cairn]

idk who that is

[orchid linden]

😭

[warm rock]

bc evan chen is actually a goat

[orchid linden]

never tried an imo problem

[warm rock]

u right tho i am too invested

[orchid linden]

yeah evans well knwon

nuh uh no such thing as too invested

[wanton ridge]

agreed

[zinc tundra]

never seen imo problem

[warm rock]

not to be rude or anything

[orchid linden]

evan chen wrote egmo

[zinc tundra]

invest in ur alg 2 special case studies

[orchid linden]

good geo book apparently

[warm rock]

but is he gay or trans or neither

not tryna be like that

[wanton ridge]

try the infamous 1988 IMO #6

[warm rock]

im js curious

[wanton ridge]

prof Stankova has a nice solution on numberphile

[zinc tundra]

when yall starting AMC grind

[torpid cairn]

ive solved some imo problems from like 1950 when they were trivially easy

[torpid cairn]

I've been started

[warm rock]

lmao

same

not that locked in

but doing sum everyday

[zinc tundra]

bro i have a internship

[warm rock]

congrats

for what

[zinc tundra]

real estate AI

start up

from harvard

some bs

[warm rock]

tough

whats ur role

[torpid cairn]

is it infamous because it's easy or because it's hard

this looks easy with synthetic division but idk

[zinc tundra]

uh rn? open sourcing

[wanton ridge]

bc it's hard, literally only 11 ppl got perfect solutions

[warm rock]

nice

[zinc tundra]

coding soon tho 💔

[torpid cairn]

yeah no shot I'm trying that

[orchid linden]

lol

[warm rock]

why is AoPS so "good" that IMO kids all used it

is that js some correlation or does it have lots of benefit

[torpid cairn]

does that mean that they used the courses or just the website

[warm rock]

no idea but prob classes

[torpid cairn]

because the website is incredibly helpful I couldn't imagine life without it but I'm never buying a class

[warm rock]

agreed

alcumus is nice

[torpid cairn]

idk what that is

[warm rock]

fr?

it gives u practice problems by topic

[torpid cairn]

oh this is interesting

I've just been doing timed AMCs and AIMEs lol

I might use this

[zinc tundra]

bro this amc ima do with no AoPS

[warm rock]

i feel like time is gonna fry me

[zinc tundra]

buddy its gonna fry me

[warm rock]

please do i rlly wanna see if its possible

[zinc tundra]

dw gng i dont intend on buying random AoPS books

[warm rock]

i can only solve problems after spending 5+ min on them (even if theyre easy)

[torpid cairn]

I get it lowkey

[zinc tundra]

learn the techniques

[torpid cairn]

I'm so awful at arithmetic lmfao I have to write down 2 digit numbers to multiply them

[zinc tundra]

.

we are all

[warm rock]

i js wanna see if its possible bc AoPS is hella prestigious and affiliated with MAA

[zinc tundra]

propaganda

[warm rock]

i hate it so much when in solutions they skip a step and its some stupid calculation of 7952 factorial

(hyperbole but still)

[torpid cairn]

barely

[radiant jasper]

ho 9 - 2

[zinc tundra]

like 6-7

[wanton ridge]

I hate it even more when they skip a step and it's not trivial, and they also end up wrong

[torpid cairn]

I hate the AMC questions that make you factor factorials and then divide them

like not even AIME has problems that annoying

[warm rock]

at least bc of division theres a technique

[radiant jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/kanye-haircut-gif-13493655861151569035

[zinc tundra]

bro what type of problems are you doing 💀

[warm rock]

but yeah still uneccesary computations

[orchid linden]

ngl I kinda like those dividing out common factors is satisfying

[warm rock]

not to be that guy, but youll always have a calculator

[torpid cairn]

I've done every AMC 10 problem since 2000 they're all ingrained I'm my brain

[radiant jasper]

cap

[warm rock]

the computational part is excess

[zinc tundra]

r u deaduzz

[warm rock]

its already hard enough

[radiant jasper]

lies

[warm rock]

?

[torpid cairn]

no

[radiant jasper]

you wont

[torpid cairn]

I haven't done 20-25 for most of the sets

but I've done the rest

[warm rock]

okay but elaborate

[zinc tundra]

wdym u cant have a calc during amc

[radiant jasper]

I didn't have a calculator until 10th grade bro

and I couldent even use it during tests

https://tenor.com/view/kanye-haircut-gif-13493655861151569035

[warm rock]

im saying i think thats dumb bc it already takes creativity to solve problems so having to do computations at a basic level is uneccesary

[orchid linden]

im p sure leftys point is the problems with a ton of computation is unncessary cause irl youll have a calculator

[warm rock]

same energy as "i worked hard so u have to too"

[radiant jasper]

yeah

https://tenor.com/view/kanye-haircut-gif-13493655861151569035

[orchid linden]

i still do not own a TI-84 🥀

[radiant jasper]

yeah

[orchid linden]

i love ti 84

[warm rock]

idk calculator models my school uses an app called geogebra

its so op its wild

[radiant jasper]

yeah

[warm rock]

10x better than desmos

[zinc tundra]

not neccesarily, higher level maths require these basics ig

unless ur talking about like 182 times 323728

then yeah

but like

[torpid cairn]

a uni near me has math comps and for one section u need a calculator and I showed up with one that had 4 function and nothing else

one of the questions needed me to find a cbrt

[warm rock]

one of the solutions to a problem was in the millions and u had to solve my multiplication

[zinc tundra]

dont mess up and carry the 0

[warm rock]

still tedious af tho

obv possible

[zinc tundra]

bro

math is tedious

u not escaping this

[torpid cairn]

I feel like it's rare to see a number >10000 in AIME but they're everywhere in amc

[orchid linden]

fr

[warm rock]

im going based off aops books

[orchid linden]

Nah all AIME problems have answers less than 1000

[warm rock]

not sure ab the contests

[orchid linden]

and an integer

[torpid cairn]

yeah but I mean like in the solutions

[warm rock]

theyre all 3 digit integers

[zinc tundra]

amc problems have no solution

[orchid linden]

Oh thenyeah

[zinc tundra]

bro it pmo

[torpid cairn]

they can have leading 0s tbf

[orchid linden]

when you get 243/7 as an answer to an aime problem 🥀

[torpid cairn]

yk what I hate

[ornate blade]

What's p + q moment

[torpid cairn]

getting a suspicious amount of answers below 100

[zinc tundra]

when u need to solve 91 perumations and forget the key words 💔

[orchid linden]

my savior

[torpid cairn]

I hate combinatorics 😭😭😭

[warm rock]

yo thats my trigger word

chill

[torpid cairn]

mb

[zinc tundra]

and equals multiplu

[torpid cairn]

lmao

[warm rock]

combinat*rics is offensive

[zinc tundra]

or equals add

[torpid cairn]

what do y'all think ur getting on amc

[zinc tundra]

combinations order doesnt matter

tbh

8-

80

[orchid linden]

idrk

[warm rock]

unfortunately an 80 smth and no qual

[zinc tundra]

i have like 4 months to prep

[orchid linden]

i have to take the 12 😔

[torpid cairn]

nahhhh u guys got this

[warm rock]

i would even be happy for that tho

[torpid cairn]

isn't qual for 12 like 10 pts lower

[warm rock]

wait 49.5 is enough for aime right?

[orchid linden]

eah true

might be easier

[zinc tundra]

alot more ppl take 12 thp

[torpid cairn]

...~105

lmao

[warm rock]

(SAY YES)

[torpid cairn]

ohhh

[zinc tundra]

buddy what u get like 40 for ur name

[torpid cairn]

of course

yeah

[orchid linden]

of courseee

[zinc tundra]

this is high tier delulu

[torpid cairn]

I think 49.5 gets you automatic usamo entry

[warm rock]

how bad is the learning curve

like 37.5 - 70+ compared to 70-110+

[zinc tundra]

lets just say

like

you going from 6 figures of income to 7

[torpid cairn]

can't be that bad but idk because I don't recall when I was below 70

[warm rock]

flex

[torpid cairn]

sorry

[warm rock]

wild

[torpid cairn]

😭

[zinc tundra]

esp for you

[warm rock]

im js messing with u bro

inspiration

[zinc tundra]

bro doesnt know a lick of alg 2

[torpid cairn]

hell yeah

so we're all getting 150s?

[zinc tundra]

idk bout all that

i got other academic pressures to attend to

[torpid cairn]

so we're all qualifying?

so we're all getting >1.5?

[zinc tundra]

idk gng

maybe

140

on a bad day tbh

140 if i dont eat breakfast

[warm rock]

i know log2 of 8 = 3

[zinc tundra]

dawg thats like 1 plus 1

[torpid cairn]

right

[zinc tundra]

= 2

[warm rock]

LMAO

chilllll

[zinc tundra]

wdym chill

[torpid cairn]

I hate logs sm

[zinc tundra]

YOU need to learn this

[warm rock]

trust

[torpid cairn]

u don't really for amc10

[zinc tundra]

lefty are u taking any APs freshman year

[torpid cairn]

though I think other parts of alg2 are important

[warm rock]

ap csp (only 1 offered)

[zinc tundra]

you never know

[zinc tundra]

isnt that math related or some

[torpid cairn]

I do bro I've done so many problems 😭

[warm rock]

apparently its js vocab and light coding

[zinc tundra]

you never know 😏

[zinc tundra]

its a free 5

[torpid cairn]

next AMC is gonna be all logs

and trig functions

[warm rock]

istg

[zinc tundra]

next AMC is gonna be all alegbra one

[wanton ridge]

well u will

[torpid cairn]

true

[warm rock]

how tf do u even compute trigonometric ratios by hand

[orchid linden]

amc 12 has more log stuff

and complex nums

[zinc tundra]

memorization

[torpid cairn]

you generally don't need to besides the few u should have memorized

[warm rock]

yall giving me more reasons to self study alg 2

[warm rock]

such as?

[torpid cairn]

unit circle

[zinc tundra]

i fear ur too late

[orchid linden]

sin cos tan for 30 45 60

[torpid cairn]

yep

[zinc tundra]

know ur special triangles 🫢

[warm rock]

🫥

[torpid cairn]

yeah special triangles are critically important you probably won't solve a single problem with like

[zinc tundra]

AoPS not saving u that much

[torpid cairn]

a hexagon

if you don't know them

[warm rock]

well if not for AMC ill do it for precalc

[wanton ridge]

js go do precalc, it'll make up

[warm rock]

bc im assuming u need alg 2 for precalc

[wanton ridge]

well u do, but not really

[zinc tundra]

kinda

[torpid cairn]

I took alg 2 this year I didn't really learn anything besides trig

[zinc tundra]

alg 2 can be the basics

[warm rock]

i hate special triangles so much

[torpid cairn]

why 😭

[warm rock]

specifically 30-60-90 triangles

[zinc tundra]

bro what i learned every function, prob/stat, graphing, peice wise

[warm rock]

i dont wanna memorize those ugly side lengths

[zinc tundra]

its just square roots gng

theres far worse

[warm rock]

ugly

[torpid cairn]

see but so much of that is either intuitive or useless

[warm rock]

are any of yall in NY

[zinc tundra]

heh not for calc

im in NJ

[torpid cairn]

md

[zinc tundra]

close enough

[torpid cairn]

I don't believe this

this is propaganda

[zinc tundra]

deritives

[torpid cairn]

I've done very basic calc I know what it is

I just don't know the methods

[zinc tundra]

prolly the issue

but anyways

[torpid cairn]

like I think I learned chain rule and have since forgotten it

[torpid cairn]

wym 😭

[zinc tundra]

just trsut

learn them functions

even tho half arent on amc

[warm rock]

ok so basically what ive learned is i needa lock in hard to qual AIME and i also needa self study alg2 asap for both amc and precalc

[torpid cairn]

the only time I've seen something that even looks like a periodic function is number theory questions, and every single time the solution has nothing to do with periodic functions

[zinc tundra]

yeah you have now til november to practice and learn alg 2

[torpid cairn]

in fact if they taught synthetic division I wouldn't be complaining as much

[zinc tundra]

synthic is so easy bro

x -2

2 is the quotient

[torpid cairn]

I'm not even denying that

[zinc tundra]

BRO I HATE INTREGRAL NOTATION

[orchid linden]

integral?

[zinc tundra]

its 1st grade math with a twist

[torpid cairn]

I love integrals I kinda wanna learn calc just for integrals

[zinc tundra]

sorry im interwining bio lingo with math

[torpid cairn]

and integrals are useful too I've seen some problems where u can use them

[zinc tundra]

once in a blue moon

[torpid cairn]

chill bro ts took me like 30 minutes to learn

I felt like a dumbass

[torpid cairn]

better than anything from alg 2

[zinc tundra]

lock in bro

[zinc tundra]

u right kinda

[torpid cairn]

I'm locked in I just hate learning things

thank uuu

[zinc tundra]

bro what type of mentallity is this

are u taking amc 10 or 12

[torpid cairn]

I have a big ass list of theorems I need for AIME and I've gone thru like 2 of them

[torpid cairn]

10

[zinc tundra]

oh dang

ur incoming sophmore?

[torpid cairn]

yeah

didn't take freshman year

I'll be fine tho

[zinc tundra]

ur my comp

ye same i was focusing on sports

[torpid cairn]

are u also an incoming sophmore

[zinc tundra]

yea

[torpid cairn]

hell yeah

that means we're both getting 150s

trust the process

[zinc tundra]

im only doing amc/aime on the side

tho

im not as heavily invested as yall

[torpid cairn]

I'm also playing a sport but I like this more so this is my main thing

were u the one who said u have an internship or was that someone else

[zinc tundra]

that was me

😭

researching AI

but im mentored by some student at harvard

[torpid cairn]

sounds hard

u like it?

[zinc tundra]

eh decent

it exposes you to like a whole new level of academia tho

most people doing the program are like top of thier country

[torpid cairn]

yeah it sounds cool fs

did u have to pay tho

[zinc tundra]

yeah

but u get financial aid

if u need

[torpid cairn]

interesting

[zinc tundra]

its called HVTSP if ur intrested

[torpid cairn]

I'll check it out

[zinc tundra]

try doing some programs

[torpid cairn]

I'm tryna do at least something like that

by sr year

[zinc tundra]

what are your stats

[torpid cairn]

wym

[zinc tundra]

amc will prob look good

[torpid cairn]

I don't have much ngl lmao

[zinc tundra]

like what have u done so far in college merit wise

[zinc tundra]

ahh u should prob start biulding

[torpid cairn]

I'm not tryna get personal but I hate asking my mom to do things that cost money cuz she's always talking about money so idk what my options are

the goal is USAMO qual which I should get but idk what to supplement that with

cuz like everything I've looked into looks expensive

like I'll be good school wise I just don't think I'll look very distinguished

[zinc tundra]

oh

top programs are free

[torpid cairn]

what do u have rn how'd u get in to the Harvard thing

[zinc tundra]

and some programs from schools are designed for low income

[zinc tundra]

we had to do 3 rounds of interview couple essays

MITES

is a good on

uh RSI

theyre both MIT

based

u live on campus

its free

and uh looks great on ur app

but for you id say focus on qualifying USAMO

thatd be great

[torpid cairn]

I'll definitely try for things like that next summer but like I'm sure it's competitive and idk how id distinguish myself + I'll also probably have a job

[zinc tundra]

i feel you bro i could imagine ur struggles but lowkey its not impossible for u

[torpid cairn]

were not doing horrible btw I don't wanna make it seem like this is a sob story

[zinc tundra]

ye just shoot ur shot at it if not its fine, local is perfectly fine

[zinc tundra]

nah its okay bro

[torpid cairn]

do u think ur better at bio than math

[zinc tundra]

yes

i mean ig if I could be considered generatively smart

but I find myself more interested in bio

[torpid cairn]

that's fair

[zinc tundra]

and that tends to correlate into more effort etc

yeah

[torpid cairn]

yeah I've noticed that fs like I hate geometry and I feel like I also haven't gotten much better at it lol

I was looking at the astronomy Olympiad it looks pretty interesting

[zinc tundra]

science is usually intesting

[torpid cairn]

self studying would be a big challenge especially bc my school doesn't have any classes for it besides physics but I might go for it

[zinc tundra]

there’s tons of material

but I also bet the curve isn’t that bad

like my advice would be just risk it

[torpid cairn]

yeah I was looking at the numbers it was super surprising how many more people take math MOs than like physics and astro

[zinc tundra]

the worse thing that could happen is “first in my school history to take USA ASTRO Olympiad”

[torpid cairn]

like im pretty sure the physics entry has 10x fewer people than AMC?

[torpid cairn]

yepp lmao

[zinc tundra]

yes well for physics is harder

u need like ap physics 1 2 and e and m

that’s like 3 years worth of AP maters

[torpid cairn]

i looked at some of the problems i could do like problems 1 and 2 lmaoo

not even for the ony

oly

[zinc tundra]

oh💔🥀💔

[torpid cairn]

I mean the entrance

yeah 😭😭

[zinc tundra]

oh

[torpid cairn]

id need to lock in

[zinc tundra]

yeah

just try stuff maybe if your not committed rn

if ur committed than actually lock in

especially this year since last year of AMC 10

[torpid cairn]

yeah I'm not worried about AMC I know exactly how it's gonna go

I'm at a point where im basically guaranteed to qualify for AIME and then basically guaranteed to not get any further

so I could study for something else until I have a better chance at usamo

[zinc tundra]

hmmmm

I mean usamo is prob ur best shot

is there usamo semis

[torpid cairn]

no doubt

[zinc tundra]

or just finals

[torpid cairn]

wdym

[zinc tundra]

like a semi round after the open exam

or am I tweaking

OH

this ain’t like usabo

[torpid cairn]

yeah no it's 1 test and if u do well enough u go to MOP

[zinc tundra]

dang

[torpid cairn]

then IMO

[zinc tundra]

how many people qualify for the open exam after AINE

AIME

[torpid cairn]

250 for usajmo 250 for usamo

[warm rock]

242 kids go to JMO

yep

[zinc tundra]

💔💔

not bad

not good either

it’s fair

[warm rock]

the #1 issue with amo and jmo is that its extremely diff from AIME

[torpid cairn]

I think worst case scenario for me is I don't get an honorable mention

[torpid cairn]

yepp proof writing is terrible

[warm rock]

my end goal is to qual for either jmo or amo (idc which one) 2x in high school

idk if ima even qualify

so im not worried about proofs yet

[torpid cairn]

me neither lol but it's gonna hit like a truck when I have to start prepping

[warm rock]

atp u just enroll in OTIS if ur rich

surely

[torpid cairn]

like if I had to write proofs for aime, barring the problems that are just example/counterexample and easy combinatorics problems I don't think I could make one in a reasonable amount of time

[zinc tundra]

bro for usabo after you take the open exam (6k takers) only 10% make semis so like 600 and then bro only 20 make finals and then 4 make IBO team

[zinc tundra]

I’ve only done geometric proofs💔

[torpid cairn]

only 6k for the open??

[torpid cairn]

those are by far my worst 😭 especially because you need to draw a diagram man im like if I draw this wrong am I gonna lose points

[zinc tundra]

it’s a lot of learning to even cover all the material

[torpid cairn]

that's fair

[warm rock]

whats yalls fav school math subject?

[torpid cairn]

it'll probably be calculus by the time I take it

seems fun

[zinc tundra]

like AP bio is the basics so like for comparison alg 1 if you wanna do amc

[zinc tundra]

addition

[torpid cairn]

right but like for AMC if youre good at solving you don't need much more than alg 1

is it the same for bio would you say?

like how much is content and how much is problem solving

[zinc tundra]

nah gang it’s all concepts

[torpid cairn]

mann lmaoo

[zinc tundra]

0 problem solving

maybe like 0.5%

mostly application

of concepts and memorization

[torpid cairn]

yeah that sounds horrible quite honestly

[zinc tundra]

And like 2k pages of text book reading

it’s good tho it has prestige if u wanna go into med

[torpid cairn]

right but like I enjoy prepping for math comps I would hate prepping for that

[zinc tundra]

enjoy and prepping in the same sentence

good for you if you actually enjoy it tho

[warm rock]

lmao

[zinc tundra]

yall like studying?

[warm rock]

i enjoy it but then my competitive side only thinks ab how i suck

[torpid cairn]

only for math

[warm rock]

strongly depends

[zinc tundra]

yeah I can’t relate since math is like a side hobby

[warm rock]

if its some stupid tedious assignment (ELA ahem) then it sucks

if its smth like math or interesting like SS then i like it

[zinc tundra]

wdym ELA is not tedious

[torpid cairn]

ELA is pretty tedious

[zinc tundra]

how

[warm rock]

depends

i dont mean creative writin

[zinc tundra]

oh

[torpid cairn]

the way we're taught to write essays is so formulaic I don't think I learn anything when I do it

[zinc tundra]

oh dw high school is alot different

[torpid cairn]

bro we're in the same grade

[zinc tundra]

you start writing like scholars

that doesn’t mean we’re taking the same class

I took ap world

ap psych

freshman year

[torpid cairn]

as a freshman?

[zinc tundra]

yeah

[torpid cairn]

yeah we didn't have any offered

[zinc tundra]

my school is competitive tho

we send a lot to ivy and top 20s for a relative class size

[torpid cairn]

right

[zinc tundra]

maybe 15 students out of 450 go to T20

[torpid cairn]

yeah that's pretty good

[warm rock]

i dont wanna go to a comp school even if i could bc i wouldnt stand a chance when the colleges look at me relative to my classmates

my school had 1 cornell this year and 1 brown like 5 years ago

[zinc tundra]

oh dang

well I mean my clas we all push each other

[torpid cairn]

I think my school is pretty stupid which is probably a decent advantage right

at least like

[warm rock]

yeah

[torpid cairn]

relative to someone with the same abilities in a good class

same stats rather*

[warm rock]

i got middle school valedictorian so if i keep it up i can get it in hs too

and not to be egotistical , but honestly im doing more and have done more than my classmates

[zinc tundra]

insane correlation but sure

[zinc tundra]

that’s really good

[warm rock]

u right

[zinc tundra]

if u stand out in a mid school

then like maybe ur highschool will notice u

anyways

what’s yall dream school

since ur all decently ambitious

[warm rock]

idk bc i havent visited campuses

[torpid cairn]

me neither

[warm rock]

but im aiming from georgia tech - carnegie mellon

[torpid cairn]

I was thinking about nyu but like honestly idk if I could make it happen

[zinc tundra]

OMG apply for SAMS

[warm rock]

js so yk, i live in ny and nyu's campus is disgusting

[zinc tundra]

I gotchu will the elite ball knowledge

[warm rock]

it smells like 💩

[torpid cairn]

fr?

[warm rock]

what is that

[zinc tundra]

NYU is good but Columbia is trash

[torpid cairn]

my sister's bf goes there and I've heard good things about the school

[warm rock]

i mean NYU is NYU so by all means go for it

im js saying if u dont like the city

dont go

bc the campus is literally js NYC

[zinc tundra]

I live near 5/7 ivies 💔

[torpid cairn]

reasonable

I'll get used to it I'm sure

[zinc tundra]

or 4

[warm rock]

yeah u get used to it

[zinc tundra]

look it up but if u get in your chances at Carnegie Mellon goes into the green

it’s very hard I will warn you

you’ll probably need to do some Olympiad winning

[torpid cairn]

my most narcissistic college app opinion is that I think I'd probably be good In the interviews (I'm basing this off pretty much nothing)

[zinc tundra]

okay answer this Harvard interview question then

(I got asked this in mine)

[torpid cairn]

Collatz conjecture

go on

[zinc tundra]

think about a time you “hacked” something, how and why did you do it

[torpid cairn]

hmmm

I have an answer but I'm not sending it

lol

[zinc tundra]

💔

[torpid cairn]

how long did u take to answer

I'm curious like how long u can think

[zinc tundra]

3 minutes of talking

[torpid cairn]

before it's awkward

[warm rock]

ive seen this and idk wtf it means

also why are all these summer programs js bs DEI promotion

[zinc tundra]

its a ice breaker for the interview

[warm rock]

like if im poor and hawaiian do i always get in>

[warm rock]

ikik but like what if i dont code

[torpid cairn]

I think it's preferable if you don't answer with something about coding

they want u to be creative

[zinc tundra]

no bro like “hacked” equals like figure out something

[warm rock]

💀

[zinc tundra]

it shows personality problem solving critical thinking

[warm rock]

ohhhh

[zinc tundra]

if it takes you long to answer

red flag

btw

[torpid cairn]

right

[zinc tundra]

nah I’m kidding but it gives the interviewer an idea

[warm rock]

yeah

[torpid cairn]

I mean I'm sure that's true to an extent

[zinc tundra]

??they’re not

prestigious ones are merit based

like basically applying to college

yygs

hss

peeps

some like that

[warm rock]

yes but literally all of the summer programs ive seen are about dei. the harvard one literally has the top part of the page being a quote from a black woman saying she felt included since she was with other black women

ik its merit basedb

but still strange

[torpid cairn]

what programs are u looking at bro

[zinc tundra]

that’s what im saying bro

wth

you have to submit formal essays, SAT scores, awards, letters of rec, peer rec , ECs

[torpid cairn]

for summer programs?

[torpid cairn]

what if u haven't taken the sat

[warm rock]

1 example

[zinc tundra]

yes

[torpid cairn]

do u just submit psat

[zinc tundra]

no

I just said I didn’t take sat

[zinc tundra]

dawg

[torpid cairn]

fair

[zinc tundra]

it’s opened for everyone they’re just giving an advantage to those who in unfortunate situations

but they have a obligation to take qualified candidates

it’s not like ur poor and u get into this program

it has like a 3% accept rate

[warm rock]

100% agree

[torpid cairn]

the way they integrated that Carnegie quote is really funny ngl

[zinc tundra]

what did u get on paste

[warm rock]

im js saying things like race shouldnt even be taken into consideration

[zinc tundra]

psat

[torpid cairn]

1430

[warm rock]

damn

[torpid cairn]

got 1 wrong on english

[zinc tundra]

it is?

[zinc tundra]

this dude bro

[torpid cairn]

I was lowkey shocked

[zinc tundra]

actually a hard

[warm rock]

they say its not, but its an extremely common belief that it is

[torpid cairn]

bro my friend is so much smarter than me and she got a 1330

[warm rock]

1430 is rlly good

did u study

[torpid cairn]

no

[warm rock]

what is it out of

[zinc tundra]

well every college in the US doesn’t the same thing btw they have to meet certain diversity standards

[torpid cairn]

1440

[zinc tundra]

1520

[torpid cairn]

no I took the psat 8/9

[zinc tundra]

bro what psat did u take

ohhh

OHHH

dang

[torpid cairn]

u took the normal one?

what'd u get

[zinc tundra]

yes

1290

[warm rock]

when do u take psat 8/9

[zinc tundra]

💔

[warm rock]

if ever

[torpid cairn]

I took it freshman

this guy didn't apparently

[torpid cairn]

which subject was weaker

[warm rock]

my school only offers psat 10

[torpid cairn]

yeah I hadn't heard of the 8/9 before this year

[zinc tundra]

bro why did u take the 8th grade psat gang

[torpid cairn]

idk bro

[zinc tundra]

equal

[torpid cairn]

hmmm

is the psat equally hard as the SAT?

[warm rock]

did u guys have to take iReady in middle school>

[zinc tundra]

I took it at the start of freshman year and got 97th percentile

[torpid cairn]

fuck I ready bro 😭😭

[warm rock]

LMAO

i got 720 on ela

is that good

[torpid cairn]

I don't remember

lmao

did you test out?

[warm rock]

do u think it correlates with sat score

[zinc tundra]

no bro especially not psat 8/9 gang that thing was designed for like lower than alg 1 or alg 1

[torpid cairn]

yeah

[torpid cairn]

I know that lol

||I did get a higher percentile than you tho...||

[zinc tundra]

if u take sat and then take psat unfortunately you’ll be surprised

[warm rock]

alr dont argue over a psat score now

[zinc tundra]

I TOOK A HARDER TEST🤬💔🤬🥀🤬🤬💔🤬🤬🤬🤬

nah anyways

[warm rock]

but am i the only one that feels like the sat isnt that hard

ive never taken it

[zinc tundra]

even the smartest people aim for 1500

[warm rock]

but why tf are there so many tutoring businesses out there

[torpid cairn]

math isn't, English might be

[warm rock]

no way u needa pay money for an sat tutor

[zinc tundra]

Just self study

[warm rock]

heard that a bunch

[zinc tundra]

grammar is tough

[torpid cairn]

yeah it's really unintuitive at times

[zinc tundra]

who be actually learning grammar when grammarly exists

[torpid cairn]

on the psat we took there were like 10 questions on semicolons

[warm rock]

thats really interesting; its like ppl dont normally use them

[zinc tundra]

gang let’s just lock in on the AMC

[warm rock]

yeah

[zinc tundra]

I do; like this

[torpid cairn]

they're on the easier side for sure; however, they can one shot you if you don't know how to use them

[warm rock]

LMAO; i love them

[torpid cairn]

I love the semicolon followed by comma combo

[zinc tundra]

that is improper I think

[warm rock]

its necessary we study a lot; that way we qual for aime

[torpid cairn]

which

[warm rock]

idgaf ab how i use them rn

[zinc tundra]

yall know how to use em dashes

[torpid cairn]

vaguely

[warm rock]

im js typing anyway with semicolons;

[torpid cairn]

I assume those aren't tested?

[zinc tundra]

including types including different biometrics—sulfur idiom

[warm rock]

I came -- I saw -- I came

[zinc tundra]

is this tuff in America

🫩

[warm rock]

tuff

[torpid cairn]

it's like a colon for a single item right

kinda

[zinc tundra]

no

I used it wrong

[torpid cairn]

hmm

[zinc tundra]

bc I didn’t add commas or ands

but anyways

[torpid cairn]

if I say like

if I qualify for AIME -- which I probably will-- I don't think I'll do well

is this proper

[warm rock]

guys ngl

6th grade math is significantly harder than IMO problems

(i made ts up)

[torpid cairn]

ngl algebra 1 was a big jump

ik that isn't 6th grade but still

[orchid linden]

woah yall still here

[torpid cairn]

my class could not figure out factoring

[warm rock]

LMAO

i got an 83 first test

ended with 100 in the class and 100 on the final

i was so happy bc i got an 100 for like 13 tests in a row

[torpid cairn]

right

my teacher was like clinically insane bro

she had multiple rants about Amish people thru the year

[warm rock]

?!

wtf

my algebra teacher was rlly good

she doesnt know any higher math but still great teacher

[torpid cairn]

I'm actually curious if this helps

because I had this guy who had a masters in math teach me geo for half of this year and I thought he was a great teacher but the rest of my class didn't understand anything

[warm rock]

my 7th grade math teacher is a college professor on the side and has a phd in number theory

[torpid cairn]

that's sick actually

I just don't know why you'd want to teach 7th

[warm rock]

tbh since ur smart he prolly wasnt a good teacher. its not so much as the smart kids understanding as it is ab the normal ones

[warm rock]

LMAO

yeah but that guy is a workoholic. he said sometimes he works 12 hour days

[torpid cairn]

this is probably the case

wait how tf can you be a college professor on the side that just connected

[warm rock]

he literally does both ig

hence the 12 hr days he said he teaches college classes till 8pm sometiems

[torpid cairn]

I guess he only had evening lectures?

hmm right

[warm rock]

i might ask him for advice since hes cracked

but not sure if hed have anything to say

[torpid cairn]

are u tryna major in math

[warm rock]

prob

[torpid cairn]

same

do u have a favorite field

[warm rock]

im too new to have one

ive never done number theory

[torpid cairn]

that's fair I don't really get them either

I just know I like number theory and I hate geometry/topology

[warm rock]

but im heavily bias towards geometry since thats the class i skipped and i had fu doing it

but comp geo is annoying

[torpid cairn]

it's horrible honestly

4 me at least

[warm rock]

yeah

js angle chasing a ton

and coord bash

[torpid cairn]

the problem is like

I never know what to do

and even when I do know what to do the problems usually have so many steps that figuring it out + solving it takes so much longer than any other type of problem

at least with AMC there's so many similar ones you'll get better with time but with AIME I get stuck constantly

[warm rock]

my least favorite atm is comb*

[pallid tundra]

the difficulty of these contests has increased so sharply

[torpid cairn]

like I'll solve #10s/11s in AIME and be stuck on a geo #3

[warm rock]

yeah right

[torpid cairn]

has it?

[warm rock]

rlly shows why the cutoff was 94.5

[torpid cairn]

was it really

yikes

[pallid tundra]

I think the first notable spike was starting around 2017-18

[zinc tundra]

still yapping💔

[torpid cairn]

lmaoo

[pallid tundra]

right around then competitor counts also started plummeting

[warm rock]

was there a point where amc math was the same as school math

[torpid cairn]

no

not in the past 30 years at least

[pallid tundra]

maybe the very earliest years?

[warm rock]

alr

[torpid cairn]

it was harder before 2000 though

[pallid tundra]

but no there’s a good distance between the two

[torpid cairn]

because AHSME was basically the AMC 12

there was no AMC 10

[pallid tundra]

the first ever national MATHCOUNTS had code tracing questions in BASIC 💀

[torpid cairn]

what's code tracing

[zinc tundra]

math kangaroo was so easy bro

[pallid tundra]

“what does this code output?”

[zinc tundra]

it was free clout

[warm rock]

IMO is so ez

[torpid cairn]

why was that in the math comp lmao

[warm rock]

if only amc 10 was as easy as imo

[torpid cairn]

I've noticed that the answer is disproportionately C so you have like a 60% chance of being right if you just select it every time

[warm rock]

when in doubt pick C

always works

[torpid cairn]

deadass tho I thought that was a joke but I started keeping track and I don't think C ever appeared like <5 times in the first 20

(probably just confirmation bias)

[warm rock]

prob

[torpid cairn]

but I think it makes a little bit of sense because the answer choices are always ordered numerically and it usually isn't the least or greatest answe

I'm hopping off tho cyall and gl

[warm rock]

gn

[ornate blade]

Really? I swear I've seen some with square roots that aren't

It's still in a logical order

Like 48 sqrt2 before 60

Anyway gn to you

[warm rock]

i think hes talking ab the questions

that are like

1,2,3,4,5

where u cant guess and u have to solve to find an answer choice

and that 1 and 5 are usually not right

[torpid cairn]

yeah there are some exceptions
I think either:

-aops has them listed wrong
-knowing their relative values defeats the purpose of the problem
or
-maybe they did it differently in old comps

[zinc tundra]

so boycott AoPS

[orchid linden]

yo can someone help explain to me why my sol is wrong 😭
|| Basically in the binomial expansion of a^n + b^n, all terms that raise 2sqrt(2) to an odd power will be cancelled. At the same time, since we are only finding the units digit of R_n, we can ignore all terms with a factor of 10. This will be all terms except the first term, 3^{12345}, because in all other terms the 2sqrt(2) raised to an even power contributes a 2 and the binomial coefficient of (12345 choose n) contributes a 5. Thus, we have 1/2 (a^n + b^n) ≡ (1/2( 2 * 3^{12345})) = 3^{12345} (mod 10), which is 3 ||

[stark swallow]

-√3/3 = -0.577...
My answer should come in between -2 to +2 but it is coming -0.577 which lies in B, C D
What mistake I have done

[vernal axle]

That's because the binomial C(12345,2k) is not always divisible by 5. Say C(15,10)=3003.

[vernal axle]

I would do it differently. ||First, it's a 2-term recurrence with x^2-6x+1 as a characteristic polynomial , so R(n+1)=6R(n)-R(n-1), R(0)=1, R(1)=3. That is, R(n) mod 10 = 1,3,7,9,7,3,1,3,... Then we see that the period mod 10 is 6 (because R(6)=R(0)=1 and R(7)=R(1)=3). Thus, 12345 mod 6 = 3 and R(12345) mod 10=R(3)=9.||

[orchid linden]

whatttttttttt sob ok ty

oops

[orchid linden]

Ty
i read the sol and its the same as yours

[frigid pulsar]

prove this for all topological dimensions

[severe eagle]

Why we dying sia

We proposed q6

[high goblet]

wait where are you finding the live scoreboards?

wait nvm found a link

[severe eagle]

https://local.imo-official.org/MBoards/Scoreboard.aspx?page=3&dimX=5&dimY=6&time=10000

[high goblet]

btw all the UK scores are known already

in case ur curious

they're in the UK section of MODS

huh interesting seems like P6 was really hard this year

btw @severe eagle have u tried any of this year's IMO problems yet?

[severe eagle]

was it proposed by singapore

some people said so

[severe eagle]

i couldnt do q1 within 10 min as my teacher said to

[high goblet]

idk, i haven't really tried to find the sources yet

[severe eagle]

"imo q1 is trivial if you dont do it within 10 min you dont deserve it"

[high goblet]

i know no UK proposals made it on :(

[severe eagle]

i tried q2 for 1.5 hours

[severe eagle]

ah ok

didn't try anything else

[high goblet]

yeah i've heard this year's IMO seems easier than normal

fair

[severe eagle]

i didnt do

[high goblet]

yh i tried q4 and q5 yesterday cus i was extremely tired

[severe eagle]

despite being a geo main

i failed

[high goblet]

q4 took me like ~30mins, q5 like 1.5hrs

[severe eagle]

I didnt try day 2 yet btw

[high goblet]

oh well

[severe eagle]

idk what i was doing

at 9 pm

i send working lmao

[high goblet]

i briefly tried q1 for like 10mins except i didn't manage to solve it yet

[high goblet]

yeah i've also heard it's kinda easy but maybe we're skill issuing lol

[sweet pewter]

we're all skill issued

[severe eagle]

blyat

trust mods dont have logs trust

[high goblet]

ngl i did not read the geo at all cus i don't like geo

[severe eagle]

anyway this was my other working

i did smth else at first 30 min

but kinda useless

[sweet pewter]

mf is trying everything to get similar triangles

[severe eagle]

im so cooked

[severe eagle]

[high goblet]

do you know what singapore are expecting/hoping for?

[severe eagle]

all i need is FXN collinear but i dont have anything on X

its fine i got lots more time to make imo team

[severe eagle]

hmmmm not really

i know the personal goals of some members tho

[high goblet]

i'm expired, ur not yet!

[high goblet]

fair fair

[sweet pewter]

the time I have is negative

[severe eagle]

i have lots more time

[high goblet]

i think we're hoping for 3 golds 1 silver 2 bronze

[severe eagle]

grind geo time

yang yihan was last year #14

he wants a gold

gao zixiang is the god of barycentric

he wants think silver or gold

quite a few first timers

[high goblet]

i mean apparently q3 this year was very doable and there's no way gold boundary will be > 35

[severe eagle]

might not do very well

[severe eagle]

indeed

[high goblet]

i'll try day 1 like later today this evening

or we could groupsolve lol

[severe eagle]

wait actually