#competition-math
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It gets worse lol
Orz is child’s play compared to every thing else: admits, Xooks, iltg, 1434, etc
It’s pretty bad
Basically, an nth degree polynomial has its coefficients entirely determined by its values at n+1 distinct inputs
And there’s a relatively clean way to interpolate a polynomial which passes through those points which you can search up
sobad
_ook
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If p(x) = ax^2 + bx + c
You have h=a+b+c, j =4a+2b+c, i=9a+3b+c
A,b,c solely determined by h,i,j
Can someone solve 1^x=2 (answer is complex)
suppose you have two n -degree polynomials P and Q agreeing on n+1 points
then P-Q has n+1 roots but has degree max n. thus P-Q=0
what even are these things

the answer is idk
just take logs no?
ok
yea just take any non principled branch of $log_1(2)$
woomy
in general, for $z \neq 0$, we define that: $log_e(z) := ln|z| + iArg(z) + 2\pi in$ for any integer n, and any argument between -pi (not included) and pi (included) to find for $log_1(z)$ just use the fact that $log_a(b) = \frac{log_c(b)}{log_c(a)}$
woomy
@zinc venture
atleast this is the definition i found in a course about complex analysis but im sure there are other definitions
r u sure this is comp math
oh
mb i didnt see the channel
sorryyyy
actually i also wanted to ask if anyone knows if any math olympiad entrance exams of the 2023/2024 period have been released yet (with solutions but not necessarily),
wdym entrance exams
umm im not sure it works the same everywhere but in switzerland there is a 35 question logical exam (based more on intuition rather than math) that acts as an "entrance" exam for the SMO team, theres a cutoff in this first exam and those who make it go to SMO, and then there are more exams (i think 2 or 3) and after all of them only the 6 who remain go to IMO
there are a bunch of tst's on aops
you can prob find USA tst on there
ill go check! thanks :)
np
huh
P-Q is 0 at the points it agrees on. if a polynomial has more roots than its degree, its identically 0
GammaRadio
what's the base of the log, e?
Think it's base 10


well let's just say it's base b for now, then I'd substitute a=b^x and it becomes ceil(2x)=ceil(3x)
log(a) is less than 1 but greater than -1
i do not know how to proceed from here
10^-1<a<10
Totally not bs
yes but there are other restrictions that i cannot find
from Desmos the answer is $a \in (10^{-2/3}, 10^{-1/2}] \cup (10^{-1/3}, 10^{1/3}] \cup (10^{1/2}, 10^{2/3}]$
south
hope this gives you some insight
even though I still don't know how to approach it completely
the main thing is to prove that both ceils must be equal to -1, 1, 2
Im pretty sure the answer is a range though
Desmos can't draw all the solutions so they only draw a few
of course, this is a range
I'm not stupid, of course I plotted the left and the right as separate graphs
when I plotted the equality I knew that didn't look right
Oke
Holy shit guys
Planning my studies is difficult
Hi can I have some resources to self study comp math
i am currently preparing for the COMC
The whole point of my question was to see if someone would work it out to the people saying just take the log its not that simple as logc(2)/logc(1)=x because that would result in a division by zero the way you would (simplified) is you set c=e(use ln) the you turn one polar so it would be ln(2)/ln(e^2πi+2πm)(for m is a negative or positive natural number) then cancel the ln and e so you get ln(2)/2πi+2πm then you multiply the top and bottom by -i to get (so it looks better i set m to 0)x= i -ln(2)/2π then using the power log rule you rewrite it as x =i ln(0.5)/2π then if you plug that in you get x=-0.1103178i
I don't buy it. I say 1^x = 2 has no solutions. Similarly by analogy with a different problem I can manipulate S = 1-1+1-1+... = 1 - S so then S=1-S so 2S=1 and S=1/2. But just because I can do algebraic manipulation doesn't make the conclusion valid.
Fair but I like still try to get an answer to question like that and in this case (at least the way i did it) if you plug my answer in you do get 2 well very close to it its like 2.0000000002 but that could just be human error
in a way this sort of boils down to definitions, but I would say 1^i = 1, I'm guessing you'd argue that 1^i = e^{-2pi} or something?
or like is it somehow multivalued as 1^i = e^{-n2pi}
main reason is if 1^i = 1 then 1^{a+bi} = 1^a * (1^i)^b = 1 for all complex numbers for me
I would have to work out 1^i first but it doesn't all ways have to be 1
Every one was told in school that 1 to the power of anything is just 1 but that really only true for real numbers
most people I meet people do see imaginary number as real numbers and the doesn't help but i the imaginary unit was a missing piece of math it gives answer to question once thought impossible.
History has a funny way of repeating it's self people a long time saw negative numbers the same way saying there not "real" if you got a negative number as an answer you would just turn it positive like people would say the answer for x+x = x-1 was undefined but now we say x=-1 it took a long time for everyone to add negative s to the number line and to even use them in every day life and I think i is just the same it is recognized as the squareroot of negative one but still it not on the commonly used number instead casted aside to the complex planing and given the name imaginary
every mathematician since the like 19th century accepts and uses complex numbers
Yes but not every person does am not talking about mathematicians am talking about the average person they most of the the time may learn about it but still dont of them as real numbers
the average person probably doesnt know anything about math at all
Fair
and they dont need complex numbers anyway
they dont have the same daily applications that real numbers have
Yeah but there still cool and that what people thought about negative numbers to
how do you work it out?
You can use a Formula to raise a number to a imaginary power x^a+bi = x^a(cos(bln(x))+isin(bln(x))
And when you put your number in the natural log make them polar
If you want i could work it myself
Does this mean 1^{a+bi} = 1^a (cos(b ln(1)) + i sin(b ln(1))) = 1 * (cos(0) + i sin(0)) = 1
why do you take a in front of the parens
I'm just following the formula he gave
I assume he meant x^(a+bi) on the left if that's what you're referring to
Nah it does
Most ppl don’t even need real numbers
Just calculator for everything
But the technology obviously requires complex number s
How? Complex numbers can't be used anywhere in a real situation
There are no real life applications where you go like "ah that's a+ib"
It is used for creating many things
how can I get started in oly math from the groundup?
Practice questions
Whatever your Olympiad covers
how do I find those
The reals are still generally more useful to a layman than (non-real) complex numbers
It is useful!
I like using them to solve 2D geometry or physics problems where scaling or rotating can be involved in the solution, since it's a little less cumbersome than matrices to be able to freely divide and solve
Matrices and determinants lol
Country?
peru wbu
Heeyy, is anyone here who studies physics ?
it is not cool to talk about physics here
Physics is basically almost as bad as engineering in the eyes of a mathematician. Oh the rule breaking.
Physics and engineering are the bane on my existence
(I’m in physics, studying to be an engineer)
Yeah
but physics is just a branch of applied mathematics
Actually you are right. But this channel is mainly focused on math competitions so I think it is not cool to talk about physics here
Maths created physics... then to discard it?
Preposterous!!!!
Theirs a dedicated, in network physics server to go to
Physics discussion/questions belong there imo
Guys anyone has a solid book for math olympiads
PDFs
I’m looking for a source for number theory mainly
I’ve skimmed through this
Do you have one which is more problem based
For practice
Oh wow $55
That’s a lot
certainly it is, but a lot of people like this one, i am reading introduction to algebra and it is a pretty good book
aops is known for being really problem based, their mainly philosophy to learn is by learning through practicing a lot of problems. anyways, unfortunately i don't know any other number theory book
maybe you can check in #book-recommendations
( a shuttle number is a number that : the first digit is greater than the second. The second digit is less that the third digit. The third digit is greater than the fourty. The fourty digit is less than the fifty digit... )
How many 7-digit numbers formed by the digits 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 are shuttle numbers? For example, 4253617 is one of these numbers. But 5372146 is not (2 is greater than 1 and 1 is less than 4) and 2163457 is not either (4 is less than 5).
Idk if thinking of it like this is absolutely necessary, but this was my first intuition
upstroke -> increase in digit (ex. digit 3 is greater than digit 2)
downstroke -> decrease in digit (ex. digit 2 is less than digit 1)
Based on this, what numbers must be "at the bottom" (digits 2, 4, 6)? What about "at the top" (digits 1, 3, 5, 7)?
Further hint: ||Place 1. Can you place 2 in the top row?||
i think it's important to note that the numbers themselves don't really matter but only their relation to each other. So there are just as many 5-digit shuffle number with digits 1,3,4,5,7 as digits 1,2,3,4,5. You can get a nice recursion from this
This is why i said turn 1 polar so e^i2π so ln(1)= i2π that more like a bypass so it doesn't just equal 1 I guess you can that make to answer but technically there more if you do ln(1)=i(2π+2πm) for m is a positive or negative natural number to even more answer you see with complex number there infinite answer to problem like this and only one of them equals 1
bro was ignored
path finder 👅
part of the problem though is if you turn 1 into $e^{i 2\pi n}$ for some integer n, then now when you solve $1^x=2$ you have $x = \frac{\ln 2}{i 2\pi n}$ - but now your solution depends on which version of 1 you picked. To be explicit, for any integer m you can write $1=e^{i 2\pi m}$ and now raising to the power with one of your solutions $x$ which depends on $n$ gets us $1^x = (e^{i 2\pi m})^\frac{\ln 2}{i 2\pi m} = 2^{m/n}$ which means your solution requires you to represent 1 a special way and the solution a special way, because you get infinitely many wrong answers when they don't match up.
Mero
let me phrase it a bit backwards, let's say I tell you -i0.0022 is approximately a solution to 1^x=2 how do you check?
Modern olympiad number theory (MONT), search it up on aops
Also you can probably find pdfs of aops books online if cost is really an issue… ofc I do not endorse this
Try AoPs Number Theory Books
Modern Olimpiyad Number Theory is a good book
Me misremembering it as math Olympiad number theory is crazy
lol
could anyone answer this?
$z=1+i(2-\sqrt{3})$
physicular
i dont understand the question
its a special complex
you didn't ask a question
Yeah if you’re looking to solve for z, that answers gonna come out to be
$z = 1 + 2 \cdot i - \sqrt{3 \cdot i}$
Airhead
wdym solving for z, there is no equation and z is already given as that
I was joking cause it already says what z is
Therefore z has been “solved for”
What special about this? 
It's one of the two only points in the complex plane that makes an equilateral triangle with 2i and 2+2i.
That's ... um ... at least somewhat special? A little? If you squint?
Simple you solve 1^x=-i0.0022 then if you get the same answers as 1^x=2 then i0.0022 is one of the answers of1^x=2
But a problem that I do see with this is that if there a infinite number of answer. Graphing a log function that takes any number(but zero) will have infinite towers of dots on the negative side and since there is a rule of a function saying one input must have one output that would make the log function a multifunction(a function with more then one output for a given input)(when I say "log function" I mean $f(x)= \log_{10}(x)$ )
Coolkid7
I need help on a problem.
The set of ordered triples {A, B, C} is the solution for the alpha numeric AA+BB=CC Where A, B, and C are distinct natural numbers. How many distinct ordered triples are in the solution set?
a,b,c are supposed to be like digits? or a = 10 counts and AA = 1010 for that?
cuz for the latter there are infinitely many solutions i guess? as you can write the equation as
10 A + A + 10B + B = 10 C+ C
11A + 11B = 11C
A+B = C which obv has infinitely many solutions
to be fair, there is the restriction that A, B and C must have the same amount of digits
which is not terribly hard to fulfil and still allowed infinitely many solutions
The answer says 32 triples. AA+BB=CC is obviously not infinite bc CC has to be a 2 digit number...👍
My way of thinking: you can choose any combination of 11, 22, 33, 44, 55 for AA and BB and also you can have 11+77, 11+66, 11+88, 22+66, 22+77, 33+66 that satisfies CC.
therefore, i did, 5P2 (because they can be rearranged and still be distinct) to choose between 11, 22, 33, 44, 55 which is 20
and then there are 6 more possible combinations but multiple by 2 because AA and BB can be rearranged which gets 12
add the ways to get 20+12=32 triples
The book says its a Mathcounts question so does anybody know which year it is so i can read the official solution?
This probably is the official solution
Or something close to it
You didn’t say that it was a two digits number at first
You didn’t provide enough information when you were asking the question
I typed exactly what the question typed on the paper. Sometimes the wordings are tricky
i didnt make the questions. the people who make mc competetion questions do
the book answer is 32 triples
btw, alphanumeric means digits 0-9
no, alphanumeric means digits 0-9
Alphanumeric means it's in the alphabet or it's a digit
A, B, and C are presumably digits in the case of alphanumeric problems
well they should mention it but alright
Yeah unless otherwise specified they are typically one digit numbers
I haven't seen other problems where represent two digit numbers anyway
idk every exam that ive ever been to just said they are digits instead of alphanumeric but yea
alphanumeric kinda suggests using something other than base 10 anyways
True
hello everyone, Im attempting to enter the Math olympiad for the first time, does anyone have any reccomendations as to how to begin training?
||u=1/x is a root of cu^2+bu+a=0||
This is the most morally correct way to do it
this channel reminds me of why i quit comp math 
Generally because i’m too stupid 💀
- the teacher was messy and sketchy
This explains why it kinda looks like the quadratic formula but inverted
he would do things like change grades after they were due
weird stuff
he played favorites so he would determine if “you did good enough” for him to change it
yeah so at that point i just realized it’s ok to enjoy math, and be good at it without being in comp math
High school yeah.
I was invited to my highschool math team, joined it because it was prestigious then dropped out because the teacher was annoying.
Yeah everyone was shocked because nobody ever dropped out after getting invited
now i’m labeled in the math team discord server as “dropout”
🤓🤓
Watesiggma
Bro got invited
Orz
Joining the math team is mostly for fun since you get to attend more tournaments tbh
But it’s not helpful if ur tryna get good at comp math
Vs self studying
If ur just trying to make aime then review some amc questions
And try to get the first 15
But if there’s problems in the 10-15 range ur stuck on, then don’t be afraid of going into the 16-20 range since there’s sometimes a problem that’s way easier than it seems
For problems in the 1-10 range though, you should just do all of them
twas invite only
Still orz
Rbo Orz isn’t even that bad
But ok
It means ur good
But tbh that sounds like a bad idea for a math team to make it invite only
Just make a “varsity” team with serious ppl and a “JV” team with not so serious ppl or smth
#serious-discussion message is wild
yeah they’ve now made a separate school for it.. it’s private and really sketchy
i’m not risking my school career for comp math
oh and yeah the comp math counted as a class
so it’s not even really extracurricular
no way
💀 i mean if you need 4 digit numbers then yea you're gonna have to deal with computing
a number times 51 or 501:
exg: 51*64
=3264
line up half the number first and then the number same thing works for a number times 501
yes
the dude was also rich and had relations to the people who ran the competitions
soooooo
some conclusions can be drawn
(it was legit a cult)
they did
legit called “math 1”
-“math 4”
i have like
4 aops books
that i dont use
i should probably read them
got it for free because once again the teacher was rich and was good friends with the owner
richard smth
the team has won a lot
like hella titles
i think they have like 20 smth national titles so it’s working. It’s just sketchy
actually i can’t send that
i would b doxxing myself
it was a picture of the dude
who taught it
and it said the school
and if you reversed google searched it you could see the exact city i live in 💀
i think you could find it
anywhooo
moral of the story it’s sketchy
and don’t trust a rich dude with your school career
he plays favorites and does things like change people’s schedules to look better.fir example, if someone is taking one of his classes at an alg 2 level, he would put AP precalc there instead
which is just cheap. i wanna graduate and do well off of merit not because a rich dude payed people to let me in
i’d be more inclined to do it if it wasn’t actually a class i had to take in place of math classes
Aops books trash
All are free online
And they trash anyway
They're insanely overpriced too
Just use the pdf online if u really want trash books
Why do you think that?
Yes, but he cares so much about winning that he takes up normal math classes with comp math classes
yeah aops books are very overrated
why they are pretty good in my opinion
how do you find the number of odd multiples of a number?
It's general knowledge
There are either infinitely many or there are none
Be more specific
sorry let me restate: how do you find the number of odd multiples of a number in a given range?
Yo wtf
How come?
bro i wish
how do you get the pdf online
the pdf and the textbook are not the same
unless someone made pdfs of the textbooks illegally (which there are) but im not considering using
the harder stuff in the books is definitely not. I think the intermediate books are very good
Dyk mathluis
Mathcounts,a competition for middle schoolers
In USA
He is brain rotted (like me) so thats probably better for you
Less braineotted than me though
How did u improved your geometry? Im struggling with this issue
Oh🗿
Where r u from?
I see
What kinds of math competition happens there?
Ok
eu não sou brasileiro, mais que eu sei da examinação de ENEM
só 3% pode aprobar
oh you just say passar in Portuguese instead, that's such a cheat
other Brazilians have said there are more specialised exams for maths and science,
and that the main problem with the ENEM is just the reading and the fricking eye-strain
when you have to read a whole paragraph or more for each question, also like they test everything
muito obrigado
I don't actually know Portuguese, I'm just converting it from Spanish
woah, Icelandic?
wdym you don't really speak it
interesting
my real analysis prof is actually from Iceland
I can still remember what I said, he was quite touched
takk fyrir að kenna mér
I disagree. what books are better then? I think the AoPS books are great
At least the entire math team doesn't hate you lol
Overpriced, too slow, you can learn the same stuff and more by just doing mocks
Not only do many aops books fail to cover fundamentals, (ie. intro to number theory, etc.) it is also reported that they have much more added depth and rigor, and fail to teach students with no general understanding. They are overpriced and meant for the rich kids who already have a decent knowledge of the topic. If you are serious about improving at competition math, I would recommend non-stop grinding AMC 8/10/12 practice tests (depends on level) because no book can help you prepare for tests better than actual past tests/practice tests with all of the same types of problems. (I used that strat to get into AIME) Also, that doesn't mean just do one practice test and move on. It means often you will have to do hundreds before complete mastery. If you are still clinging to the idea of a textbook, there are infinitely many options to choose from. I can only say so much to change your mind from buying an aops textbook, and if you would like to, go for it. I can only share my opinion.
I wasn't even on
I dunno if I'm allowed to post links but never ever pay for those academic books
<@&268886789983436800> look up
yea no we don't link to piracy sites here
Damnnnnnn how many eboys u got
Lofi girl type shi
rude
i mean the website's actually good
and the classes are also pretty alright
and the books arent that expensive...
50 bucks for an ass book you tell me
No one talkin to you bruh
@fair bronze you better not type another fkin paragraph
blud its not that bad
like
literally whats a better one
well beast academt
I told you not to
I'm not reading that whole damn essay
Also I never argued with ur points I just made my own
We have conflicting viewpoints
If u look carefully
I didn't reply to any message
The point is that the content isn’t worth the cost. Sure, the content is alright but it’s not hard to glean the same information from elsewhere for less time and money
I told you before
It's general knowledge
Now just sit there and stop debating I'm too lazy
What grade are all of you in? Also, have you had any prior experience in olympiads? Just curious
(if you are in grade school at all)
Your point is valid, what do you recommend when you said about "elsewhere"
i just did mocks and was active on aops
I mean they're not bad but like AMC tests are better
You kind of already need to know the content to do AoPS books
i had volume 1 and volume 2 but i got bored of them quickly so i did mocks, by the time i had the motivation to do them i already learned all of the content in it
for computational thats enough
That is interesting, and about contents that you didn't know, where you used to search
if i was doing a problem that i didnt know how to do i would read the solution
then if there was some theorem used i didnt knwo i would research it
they have detailed solutions in the textbooks
and there was a discussion channel for the problems are well
gotcha
Why not?
You can read the solutions and learn
That’s how I learnt most of the theory for computational
well yeah
im talking about for amcs and stuff
~~i literally hear stuff like skibidi and sigma and orz 24/7😭 ~~
what is this
rbf is real
yeah ive recently been stressed about making sure i get into good universities when im older.
but a lot of people have told me it doesnt matter as much as some people make it out to be
what grade are you in?
10th
oh ok
yeah same, computational is mostly just drilling problems
"resting bitch face"
IDK i feel like its not enough of a diffrence. Going to MIT wont be the diffrence between me working at nasa or working at mcdonalds
ugh
now i feel even more preassure lol
i have a 4.8 weighted gpa if that helps
just something in me feels like i need national titles to get into a good uni
max is 4.0
max weighted is 5.0
which means you would be taking all aps (literally has to be all aps) and all a’s
sooo next to impossible
i’m considering going to a local college striaght out of highschool, building up my resume there, then applying to higher level colleges for grad school, since i’m pretty sure that makes it easier to get in
that’s good
yeah i need to chill
just relax and enjoy highschool
what would be some good classes to take in high school? just wondering
i am in us and will be starting freshman year next year
But i also feel like i might regret spending all my time and missing out on fun trying to get into these big universities
so either way there will be “regret”
philosophy is so cool
but it stresses me out
BRO I AM NOT MAKING IT TO HARVARD
😭😭😭
still too lazy
ima be ok with being mid
it’s been gone dw
i don’t have a head atp
like
that little thing in the back of your head that tells you when something is like rational
it’s gone
also that little voice that tells me not to do things
doesn’t exist
i’m dead ass
my adhd removed it
yesterday in the store i just said “YOOO LOOK AT HER GYATT”
i didn’t realize i said it out loud.
the girl turned around and look right at me
it was scary
So sigma
def don’t need that for Oxford
Understood. I’m sorry about that
the books are very cheap for what they are
Not cheap for it’s worth
If anyone here is interested in writing a Back-to-School math contest to prep for school + competitions, feel free to write this contest prepared by the Math Contest Repository: https://mathcontestrepository.pythonanywhere.com/contest/cw1
Discord: https://discord.gg/xv6ZEnVJaR
Is it free? And will it help me to prepare for exams like AMC and AIME??
and more importantly how hard will it be bcs i think theres a very varied skill level here
It is
Hey, what is this from, because it really helped me out
yeah it's free, and I'm sure it will help with those contests too
It's roughly AMC 12 difficulty
But the questions needs calculus but in the contest we dont need calculis
true
Are there any mock tests for AMC 12 that have similar difficulty to recent ones
UKSMC is very similar to AMC
ludoviajante
…
Given n distinct points in the plane there exist [ n(n-1) ] / 2 pairs of points. Find all positive integers n, with n ≥ 3, for which there exists a set of n points in the plane such that for each integer d in the set { 1, 2, ..., [ n(n-1) ] / 2 } there exists a pair of points with distance equal to d. Remember that for values of n with this property it is necessary to show an example and for values of n that do not have the property it is necessary to justify why the set of points does not exist.
Any ideas?
How many points do you need to qualify for aime in amc 10
And also what about amc 12?
150
Is more than enough
But probably 90
To 100
Is cutoff for both
Depends on test difficulty tho
Triangle inequality
So it’s based on rankings of ppl’s scores not a specific amount of points you need to reach?
Yes, around top 8%
Do we have any IMO medallists here?
There are definitely plenty in this server (I am not one of them)
I'm not one of them either
they have better things to do with their lives I can imagine
than be on this server
I know a few of them, if you need them.
(4,4,4),
(12,4,4),
(68,20,4),
(4,4,12),
(12,4,44),
(68,116,4),
(4,20,12),
(12,20,4),
(164,4,44).
(4,20,68),
(44,4,12),
(4,116,68),
(44,4,164),
these are solutions
but i cant prove it
$\frac{x^2}{1} + \frac{y^2}{1/2} + \frac{z^2}{1} \ge \frac{(x + y + z)^2}{2}$
south
thanks
I just threw an idea around, didn't do anything
it has some non-negligible chance of helping you, that's all
Titu's is lovely innit
Actually, I can say this gave me an idea.
cool
It can be shown that all numbers must be a multiple of 4.
Nah man, I was just curious
If anyone preparing for isi/cmi 2025 DM me @everyone
Yeah, I am having problems to prove that n cannot be greater than or equal to 5
only three days left to write it, and there are $40+ in prizes :)
hey guys
i finished all sections of AOPS alcumus
could i now pass the AMC 12 and qualify for AIME in 2 months?
is it likely
if you understand all of alcumus, then probably
however make sure to also look over past AMC tests
Vanellope von Schmugz
,w factor $27a^2d^2- 18abcd - b^2c^2 + 4ac^3 + 4b^3d$
Are you sure its factorisable
Bruh what
Vanellope von Schmugz
Thats factorisable only in a very specific case anyways
And adding terms sucks for factorisation
The simplest example i can think of is
1+a+b +ab & 2 +a+b+ab
i hate how i know that this is a cubics discriminant
but no, u cant really factor it
if u can, then the cubic is probably nice
I can factorise hard problems
Factorise my life 
Yea no my name says that
no this is the full cubic discriminant
im somewhat experienced in this
do u want me to send u my progresses
a strategy would be to "depress" the cubic by a transformation of coordinate system
what i mean is that, say u have f(x) = ax^3+bx^2+cx+d, u want to find k such that f(x+k) has no x^2's coefficient
when u do that, u will notice that the what-would-be b term will dissapear alot
guys how do i actually study and learn competition math
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practice and understand
pattern recognition
💀 one way is to take log_2 x as a, log_2 y as b, log_2 z as c and solve the linear equations
also why does it look like some amc pyq
$\frac{x}{yz} \frac{y}{xz} \frac{z}{xy} = 2^{1/2 + 1/3 + 1/4}$
south
now you know what 1/(xyz) is
so you know what xyz is
so you can do x/(yz) * xyz = x^2 and so on
y/(xz) * xyz = y^2
How many ways can you arrange the letters of word "MATH".
- 1
- 2
- 3
- 4
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Please help me out of this problem
Guys please
that is factorial of 4
none of these
No one of them should be
In the first digit you can put m, a, t or h, supposing you choose a. In the second digit you can't put a anymore because you have already used this letter, supposing you put m. In the third digit you can choose t or h, supposing you choose t. For the last digit you can only choose the h
Mann its a question, i can't believe
what do you mean
Does that make sense?
actually there is no correct alternative
he is just spamming/trolling, posted the question in many channels.
NO
oh
Way
that is bad mate
I only used this server for my maths
help43, help 21, here, help1 ,,,
Also i am not spammming
Bruh i used this server only na
No ones giving right answer thats why i asked
you posted te same question in many channels
I won't repeat that, my mistake, sorry
The right answer is 4 * 3 * 2 * 1 = 24
But that is not an alternative in your question
Okay thank you very much guys
.
thinking about it logically i think its 24 ways because if you take 1 letter, lets just say M, there are 6 other ways to configure the word when the combination starts with M. 6*4 is 24. Also I think I was looking at a problem like this a while ago, and the answer is n! where n is the quantity of objects that can be rearranged. so in this case there are 4 letters so 1x2x3x4=24
oh this was answered a long time ago💀
i would guess 4, but it doesn’t really matter if every option is wrong
8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 = 1000
add any number of + - * / ^ in lhs to make the equation true.
Any tips to get better at Competition Math and books (exclude AoPs)?
no wait, scratch that, Any tips to get better at problem solving?
are brackets allowed?
na
u could use a small dose of coolmath games
lol
888+88+8+8+8
Let me brute force 💀
888 + 88 + 8 + 8 + 8 = 1000
$\sum_{i=1}^{3}\frac{1}{i!} = \frac{0.1\overline{6}}{\log_{n}2}$```
Anyone try to solve this which is created by me
KingDanger
Solve for n
2^10
1024
DaFlameSlayer
chicken pizza
4! = 1x2x3x4 = 24
but why did you amke this bruh
Is scraping (just passing) the AIME floor for AMC 10A good? Am I cooked?
Depends on your goals
If your goals are making aime then grind some more
It also depends on how long ago you are scraping aime floor (20 years ago? Cooked. 10 years? Kinda cooked. Recent? 50/50)
And ofc if you bomb the actual test then ur cooked
Like if ur the type of guy to cook mocks and bomb the real test
tbh theres definetly time to make aime
especailly since it seems you have a decent foundation for amc
what about the guy who bombs mocks and cooks the real test
last year i got 6~7 on aime mocks and 10 on the real test
The AMC 8 - 10 provided by AoPs themselves is good book
Oars
Yeah in general I tend to do better on real tests too
Oh no
ah ok ty
hopefully i get to aime
yo @radiant jasper and @soft vigil, how old are yall??
ill grind ig
just curious since i wanna know if anyone is close to my age
angle bisector theorem states that the angle bisector splits the side AC in a ratio of AB:BC i believe
meanwhile combinatorics is some good pie
hi
1+1
3
window
thats what im going to do for the next 2 months until the contest
I love mcnugget
GUYS
how do i register for the AMC 12
my school doesnt offer it
do i like email another test site
but its on a wednesday
so i have school
how does that work
i just have so many questions
could someone maybe dm me and help me out?
thanks
lookg like a=(x,y,z) and b=(y,z,x) in the dot product a*b = |a||b| cos theta and it follows
lol
I thought of trying something like that or an AM-GM type thing but that seemed like more work having to expand it out when I saw the dot products staring me in the face
My mental calculation is good
good
easy with cauchy-schwarz
basically the same as the dot product solution tbh
(x^2 + y^2 + z)(y^2 + z^2 + x^2) >= (xy + yz + zx)^2 by cauchy
so (x^2 + y^2 + z^2)^2 >= (xy + yz + zx)^2
x^2 + y^2 + z^2 is positive so it just immediately follows
oh yeah its pretty interesting, im pretty sure it can be derived from just am-gm or the general cauchy-schwarz but i forgot
am-gm: LHS = (x^2+y^2)/2 + (y^2 + z^2)/2 + (z^2 + x^2)/2 >= sqrt(x^2y^2)/2 + sqrt(y^2z^2)/2 + sqrt(z^2x^2)/2 = RHS
yeah i saw it in an evan chen handout
they cover cauchy schwarz in intermediate algebra its good
x² - (p+q)x + pq = 0
D = (p+q)² - 4pq >= 0
p² + 2pq + q² - 4pq >= 0
p² + q² >= 2pq
Doesn't seem to generalize to cubics tho
can some one help
Before trying this beast out, i would like to guess
is it 0??
GUYS
how do i register for the AMC 12
my school doesnt offer it
do i like email another test site
but its on a wednesday
so i have school
how does that work
i just have so many questions
could someone maybe dm me and help me out?
thanks
hello i am having some issues with bijections, can someone help me out on a vc tmr or smthing

check the maa website it has some resources
I am a fearless person, but that thing..... it haunts me
nuhh
i think this is an attempt to generalize using polynomial discriminate and real nums, also does work as a solution to the problem you sent
i did
i dont get it
i just need someone to walk me through ti
if someone could dm the that woud be much appreciated
send a screenshot of what you see
There are 100 positive real numbers arranged around a circle. Each of these numbers is greater than the product of the first two numbers immediately following it clockwise. At most how many of these 100 numbers can be positive integers?
is there a typo? AFAIK all numbers being 1/2 works
Yeah but it wouldn't be 'at most'
infact it's the least amount possible for the condition
actually chat gpt sasys its zero but tbh idk the answer
Cuz each number would be larger than the next number clockwise
Never mind
I think we can do 49
But idk if can do any better
how
1, 1-c-c^2, 1, 1-c-2c^2, …, 1, 1-c-49c^2, 1-c, 1-c-c^2+c^3
For sufficiently small c > 0
Uh no
Wait
I think that works
I think it is true that at most 49 of the numbers are >= 1
Cuz if two consecutive numbers are >=1 then everything is >= 1
And then there is quite easily a contradiction
If there are 50 numbers >=1 in alternating order then still there is a contradiction
So answer should be 49
!nogpt
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I didn't use chatgpt i guessed
sorry i dont understand
why "If there are 50 numbers >=1 in alternating order then still there is a contradiction"
and why it is >= and not > cuz problem said greater than not greater than or equal to
Well let’s say the numbers are
a1, b1, a2, b2, …, a50, b50
and a1, a2, … are >= 1
Then by the condition we have b1 > b2 > … > b50 > b1
So that gives a contradiction
Well if a number is a positive integer then it must be >= 1
So >= is more useful here
thanks
oh yeah i’m stupid
How do I learn DIT and DDIT
Ask people you know that are familiar with it
(They might not respond)
Will watching lectures on tensors focused on General Relativity still be helpful if I need to learn deep learning?
or nah?
Hey. I was in trouble.
What happens to the value of the function that describes the ratio of the sine of a number to that number itself as the number gets closer and closer to zero?
You mean lim x->0 (sin(x) /x)??
It equals 1
Just read the markbcc or yau awards handout
How can I prove that?
https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/75130/how-to-prove-that-lim-limits-x-to0-frac-sin-xx-1
multiple proofs here
Is this some barycentric coordinate bashing typa stuff?
wolfram alpha says no solutions
You can write q^2 + 3p = 197p^2 + q as q/p = 1 + m/n. If you rewrite the equation as q^2 - q + 3p - 197p^2 = 0. If you know Quadratic formula it will be q = [1 ± sqrt(1 - 4(3p - 197p^2))] / 2.
After that I could not find a proper answer actually xd
I mean it seems like there is no maximum value for l+m+n
p=17, q=239 works
,w q^2+3p-197p^2-q, p=17, q=239
Rewrite it as $$197p^2=q(q-1)+3p$$
Civil Service Pigeon
Then, you can see that ||q(q-1) is a multiple of p||, and hence ||(q-1) is a multiple of p||
See what you can do from here
Ooh, I missed that
Shoulda seen it
oh
MTH
listen to courses maybe?
Guys i need a little help
I can solve the question of AMC 12
BUT i want to solve other ques paper from different countru
Country*
Can anyone suggest a olympiad which is has similar level or a little bit higher level of difficulty
Chinese that ends 12 hours ago
go for Aime first!
what number theory book should i take after aops intro to nt
Elementary Number Theory
2+2=5
True statement, but what if I told you 5=4!!!
therefore 4=2+2
and 2=4-2
which is 2
so 2=2
this is also a true statement
proving that 2+2=5!!!!
isn't this an ioqm question
nope
Yep
hello
analytical?
or just 2D geo
I have actually never read the whole book, I just went over it real quick: Try solving these problems and examples before looking at explanation and then compare your answer with the explanation would help
You can
Try taylor?
$sinx = x-x^3/3!+x^5/5!-x^7/7!+x^9/9!+Rn(x)$
Aestusy
and everything cancels except
x
so x/x
or L'Hospital cosx/1 and cos0=1
Or, squeeze theorm
simplify (log_28 216)(log_6 sqrt(7)) in simplest form without logarithms
egmo may be too difficult for amc 10
but if you can get through it its definitely a good resource
or geometry
hey can anyone help me solve this
How much easier are the first 14 or so questions on 2010-2017 AMC 12s vs more recent ones?
If I want to qualify for AIME would getting 96-100 ish on those earlier ones be a good indication
oh wait I should ask here
my question is comp math ig? its called study
in help forum
sin/n = 1 when n is small enough, proving it geometrically is beautiful
Yeah but going over it helps even if the book is at a higher level
yeah radians are the best!
yeah but if you’re not able to solve the problems you won’t get much out of it, i mean it’s probably still worth it to take a look
im having trouble solving it
:(((
On an amc practice test I got 2 questions wrong bc I forgot to distribute properly and thought 4/60 was 1/20 💀
y=mx+?
C
so what about it?
IDK functions are just fun to do
where can I find some good materials that approaches Calculus 1 and algebraic structures(rings, groups, polynomials, etc) for math olympiads?
for calc 1 you can read thomas calculus,its a great book
calculus is not required at all for any high school olympiads
are you talking about for something like Putnam which is at university?
yeah sounds like it
my math society that organizes this includes that
at uni?
high school
jesus christ
are you preparing for JEE
romanian math olympiad
if I couls find something in english, its just as good
these topics are definitely not on the IMO so that's overkill
I think have calc 1 for olympiad is fair enough
I just want to get some national olympiad medal
so i am fine with that
Tnx
@river iris
for fundamental algebra i recommend evan chens handout, just they first few chapters. gives a nice introduction to groups rings ideals fields etc
Better for looking at specific problem-solving strategies
Napkin
How do I make nationals in math counts I live in tx tho
I will make aime this year hopefully (I’m in 8th)
do uil instead
tmsca
:(((
i am doing both
i wouldve got 4th in math but i curved my e's
6th in sci(tie but percent accuracy)
Ur cooked
For Texas u need JMO or ur kinda cooked low key
b
Can someone list good formula's to know for optics and astrophysics rq
you probably already know
yeah
these are very important
and also remember both the planet and the sun move bc of gravity (earth also have a gravity). The sun is not completely stagnant but it moves ever so slightly
sed
Real Mathematics
yo im also in 8th
les go
im grinding to IMO currently
my goal is to get to IMO by 11th grade
is qualifying to AIME very hard?
No
Are the first 13 questions on recent AMC12s harder than earlier ones or is it just later ones that get harder
AMC gets progressively more difficult with each year. Each question usually gets more difficult when question number increases
Hey i wanted tips on proof writing
Specifically in combinatorics and inequalities
Can anyone help
Thank you very much.
recently (as in last year) it’s been getting more easier, especially the 10
but it could have just been by chance
yeah
there's a trick: $B = A - \left( \frac{1}{2^2} + \frac{1}{4^2} + \frac{1}{6^2} + \cdots \right)$
$= A - \frac{1}{2^2} \left( \frac{1}{1^2} + \frac{1}{2^2} + \frac{1}{3^2} + \cdots \right)$
south
can you send a enhanced solution please
which part didn't you get?
well, you just have B = A - 1/4 * A
no worries
competition maths is a bunch of tricks
I wouldn't be surprised if you got something that was awfully challenging for 10th grade
this question is quick if you know what to do
okey
oh so you want to lose 12 hours in total (I thought it was 24 hours but the question assumes there's no AM/PM)
so that is 12 * 4 = 48 days
which date?
ah so be careful, so from 1st of July to 31st of July you have 30 days
its 5 oct
should be 18th of Aug with this assumption
read everything I said again
and that 48 = 30 + 18 ofc
so try counting up to the end of the month so that you don't mess up
I only made it past the first round of my country's olympiad and not any further and I got questions significantly harder than this
this is for grade 8
it is still a fascinating achivement
but I will say this is a similar difficulty to the first half of questions in the American AMC10
ohh
for example
20 to 25 should be challenging and they definitely will be at your level
sounds like you just guessed
the uncomfortable truth is that maths takes effort and time
Yaa
and competition maths needs an entirely different set of tools
it's not like school maths at all
im the smartest in my class in maths but i want to go higher
that's admirable
and you don't have to force yourself to learn more, just do it cause you like learning new things
oh yeah
man India is just insane
glad you're doing well so far but 11th and especially 12th require a lot of effort for many people, cause there's a jump in difficulty
and you probably already know that adv is miles beyond the regular 12th syllabus for NCERT
Jee advance ez
Go for Olympiads if you want diff problems
Hong Kong
I've done a few AMCs but I graduated high school before 2023
Ohh
does anyone have gaokao math subjects in english?
ill trade this year's admission exam for the university of bucharest which was also interesting :3
what is heterolytic cleavage?
🤔
for the first question i got r = 6
am i correct?
damnnnn
i got 1-7 and q9
what'd u get for 7 and 8
open ai o1 going crazy
although it probably requires absolutely absurd amounts of computing power
98 for q7, 240 for q8 (the binary one?)
how did u get q9???
i got 98 for q7 and 128 for q8
i think i got q8 wrong
and some ppl are saying that the answer for q7 was apparently 86
i did this:
oh nice
lol
are u from india
i'm new here but
eat and sleep well! (also alot of people like eating chocolate right b4 idk why tho)
Seems like it
Sugar overload enhances the brain
I do it a lot
,w r+s+t+u+3v=8,r+s+t+3u+v=9,r+s+3t+u+v=7,r+3s+u+t+v=6,3r+s+t+u+v=5
you can check yourself!

