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Pls help me

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Idk how far I'm correct but if the lines are tangent to the sphere with center I, then shouldn't the perpendicular distances from I to the lines be equal ( equal to the radius )

muted eagle
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oh i forgot to forward the distances

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these are equal to R^2

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Help

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final steppe
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Can someone send me simple drawing of a graph edge being partitioned to form cycles

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Just a drawing, i dont need help with the proof.

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final steppe
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Can you partition it

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Into cycles

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About some arbitrary edge of ur choice

drifting hornet
final steppe
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You can just do that?

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I thought a partition always must have a straight cut

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Okay thanks

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drifting hornet
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i think that the cycles just cant share an edge

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im not sure though

final steppe
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Thanks alot

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lusty dirge
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heyo! i wrote my question in purple

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lusty dirge
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im confused why we didnt change the gap

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thing

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because we did change x overall :(

cinder creek
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As you wrote, for x-1, the domain of the function f(x-1) would be x > 4 and x <= 4. This also applies to the integral: x-1 requires 1 unit more than x, x requires 1 unit less than x-1, meaning the bounds 8 and 2 (for x-1) goes to 7 and 1 (for x).

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lusty dirge
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woa so there's 2 paths?

cinder creek
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1/1, 2/2, 3/3, etc. gives the same value.

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cinder creek
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More the opposite, when you change the gap, you also changes the bounds.

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tough burrow
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So I'm super unsure if I am even thinking in the right direction about this, I understand that a+b sqrt5 times the denominator should equal the numerator so I try factoring them but end up with something that looks nothing like it and I'm unsure if I even did it correctly?

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midnight pier
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Sorry lol

next vortex
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one of the terms in the numerator will contain a coefficient and a sqrt(5)

tough burrow
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yeah i already saw the answer on google, im more interested in understanding how to get there

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tough burrow
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also conjugate would basically be flipping the positives to negatives and the negatives to positives right?

next vortex
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no

storm perch
next vortex
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the conjugate of a + bsqrt(5) is a - bsqrt(5)

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multiplying both the denominator by its conjugate lets you take advantage of the difference of squares formula

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(a + b)(a - b) = a^2 - b^2

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this'll cut the denominator down to a single number (no square roots), which is why it's desirable to do this MenheraSalute4

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let me know if something is unclear MiniheraBow

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I have no problem going through this again c:

midnight pier
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system of equations and let’s go

next vortex
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you probably won't even need a system of equations here giggle

tough burrow
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if im understanding right then i would be turning the left side into this? i mightve misunderstood still though

next vortex
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it'll be 4 - 5 in the denominator

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not 4 + 5

tough burrow
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oh yeah duh

next vortex
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(a - b)(a + b) = a^2 - b^2 MenheraSalute1

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tough burrow
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honestly not sure, it should be 3sqrt(5) shouldnt it?

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or am i still missing something?

tough burrow
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okay lol, sorry my brain obviously isnt working at full capacity rn

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so then once i have this do i need to do anything else to it?

next vortex
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no worries, you're doing well aecatheart

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there you go!

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now simplify that c:

tough burrow
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when you say simplify it is this where i would wanna use long division for it or is there a different way im not thinking of?

next vortex
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I promise you we don't need to long divide giggle

tough burrow
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OHHHH its one

next vortex
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it's -1

tough burrow
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wait

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yeah

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omg

next vortex
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but even if it was 8712 or something, it wouldn't matter

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,, \frac{a + b}{c} = \frac{a}{c} + \frac{b}{c}

rocky lotusBOT
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higher!

next vortex
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because we can always do this!

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in our case, it just happens to be a very simple number c:

tough burrow
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so that would make this true then?

next vortex
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a couple of comments

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  1. you should simplify the numerator as much as possible before breaking the fraction apart MenheraSalute1
  2. it's -1, not 1 giggle
tough burrow
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ugh youre so right, i keep making simple little hiccups bc im overwhelmed which probably means i should take a break soon but this is what you mean then i think?

next vortex
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now just rewrite it a little and identify what a and b are :>

tough burrow
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ohhhh okay so them being over the negative one just makes them negative and since they are over one they dont need to be changed so thats how a=-7 and b=-3 then?

next vortex
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looks great! EB_EeveeExcited

tough burrow
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so in the future with problems like this i should just multiply the top and bottom by the conjugate of the denominator and then simplify to solve from there?

next vortex
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yeah

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it's almost always a good idea to use the conjugate in problems like this

tough burrow
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awesome!!! thank you so much, i really appreciate the hand

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off to rest my brain a lil

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next vortex
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get some rest c:

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and have a wonderful day/night nachoWaves

tough burrow
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you too!

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Can someone explain to me why the lamps flash? When unloading and unloading the capacitor? Does this have anything to do with the fact that lamps are not ideal R?

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and we are lazy to use translator

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Can someone explain to me why the lamps glow briefly?

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hi

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Yes

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I used Google translate

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Then pls translate it

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Hi I wanted help on the following question

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I know it's discrete probability. But idk if I should just use trial and error to find n from the binomial distribution.

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Hi, the task was: sketch the graph of the derivative function f′ of the given function f. The red sketch is from me, is my solution correct?

turbid summit
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reading comprehension moment

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okay

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so like f(½) to f(2) its increasing

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so f'(x)>0

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not <0 as you've depicted

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same for f(2) to f(4)

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if you want the precise value for f' just calculate the slope using the point formula

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alr i think i got it thank you ❤️

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Can I pls have some help

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wet tundra
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Im a bit confused

copper stump
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where?

wet tundra
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How do i find the movement

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What do u mean by movement

copper stump
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well, as the cats move away from the post, the center of mass is gonna shift

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and once the cats move sufficiently apart, they would have shifted that com such that it lies outside the 0.5m wide section that rests on the post

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and would make it unstable

wet tundra
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soo how do i calculate dis..

copper stump
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assume that the unstable situation occurs when the cats have moved some distance x

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write the center of mass equation

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solve for x

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im lost

daring depot
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can someone help me with factorization? i can't wrap my head around these 2 questions 💔

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hot tide
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what's the degree of f(f(x))?

daring depot
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oh ioops wrong place

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hot tide
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yes

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ive never done double functions before so i have no idea how to do this

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if you have that some function g has a double root r, then g(r) = 0 and g'(r) = 0

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have you done calculus

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derivatives to be specific

thick rampart
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no, im in 11th class

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our sir said this is done by quadratic equations and inequalities

hot tide
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yeah we can do that

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this is a really weird question, there are multiple correct answers

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hot tide
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i found two examples of f where the discriminants are different and they seem to satisfy all the conditions

thick rampart
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how did you do it?

hot tide
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first has discriminant 4, the other has discriminant 16

thick rampart
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oh you just graphed it

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huh

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maybe the question is wrong

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how would we do this by hand though

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answer key only says 4 @hot tide

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Can someone help pls.I did it this way but I'm not sure if it's correct. What point in the hour does the fluidity of the body collapse linearly according to the law S=t^3-16t^2+64t (S - in meters, t - in seconds) before zero?

safe fulcrum
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isn't that S''(t) = 0 instead

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I don't get what the fluidity of the body means at all

viral glade
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sorry not corectly write the question

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At what point in time is the velocity of a body moving rectilinearly according to the law
S=t^3−16t^2+64t (where
S is in meters and t is in seconds) equal to zero?

safe fulcrum
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yes then I can just check the quadratic since that's correct

(you wrote -16t instead of -16t^2 btw for S(t))

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(3t - 8)(t - 8) = 0, yep, all is good

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Ok thx for help

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can someone check if I did 8. b) correct?

my working out is in purple pen (sorry for the mess)

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why did it get mult by 1/3?

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urban kite
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isnt that only applicable for tan^-1 condition?

glass kelp
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Why

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i mean , i might be missing something

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urban kite
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ok so its applicable for arc tan and arc sec

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and cot and csc

glass kelp
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Note arcsin

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That u don’t need 1/a

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But u do for other cases

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urban kite
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yes its only sin and cos that are exluded from this case

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got it

glass kelp
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Ye u can prove the formula too

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By factoring out a

urban kite
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yeah

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anyways thanks just needed a brush out

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I need help with part b

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mental notch
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Have you started writing things down?

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In terms of a random variable?

tacit nest
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I dont know how to start

mental notch
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Okay, you can start by modelling the demand as given, say $X \sim \text{Poisson} (\lambda = 15)$

rocky lotusBOT
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jewels!

mental notch
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X is the number of newspapers needed on a particular day

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So if t is the number of copies needed you need to find t such that P[X = t] >= 0.99

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@tacit nest That make sense?

tacit nest
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i got the poisson lamda

mental notch
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X is the number of copies in demand, I think you get that part

tacit nest
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yes

mental notch
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I am introducing a variable t, which is the number of copies we need

tacit nest
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ok

mental notch
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So if we want to satisfy demand we need X = t

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My bad I shouldn't have used an inequality

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tacit nest
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i get the inequality

mental notch
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So we have P[X = t] >= 0.99

tacit nest
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at least means it must be greater than or equal to

mental notch
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Yeah

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That's what we're doing

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Also t is the minimum which is why there's an equality inside the P[]

tacit nest
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ok

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so how do we find t?

mental notch
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Do you know the pmf for the Poisson distribution?

tacit nest
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what does PMF stand for

mental notch
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probability mass function

tacit nest
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I use my calculator to find poisson, I got a CG50

mental notch
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Uh

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Is there an inverse poisson pmf on it

tacit nest
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I dont know

mental notch
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Well I guess you can just guess and keep tweaking your answer

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Chuck in a few numbers and see the smallest one such that the probability is over 0.99

tacit nest
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gimme me a sec

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I got 7

mental notch
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Hmm I expected it to be over 20

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Is that the inverse cdf or pmf

tacit nest
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is it 25?

mental notch
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,calc 1 - (15^24)e^(-15)/(24!)

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24 seems to be it

tacit nest
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but its less than 0.99

mental notch
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thats 23

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Result:

0.99170020589953
mental notch
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24 is above it

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oh does your calculator say 24 is below

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,w 1 - (15^24)e^(-15)/(24!)

mental notch
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

tacit nest
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what calculator do you have?

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ok

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In my school there was another method which i just found

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thank you for your help, I understand the concept of the question more

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signal loom
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dont tell me what to do or anything

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just a hint

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nothing more

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i wanna have fun with this problem cuz i have fckin failed for 2 hours now

tacit moon
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e^x=t

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wait no

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(e/2)^x=t

signal loom
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ok bet

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thanks

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stiff lily
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not an equation

tacit moon
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all my atemps i have done e^x

tacit moon
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cause there is 4^x in there too

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take 4^x common

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first term will have ((e/2)^x)^2

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t^2

signal loom
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oh ok

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# tacit moon cause there is 4^x in there too

BRO this question hurting my head, wdym its (e/2)^2 = t, may i know your thought proccess behind this what observation made you think this, cant u just break down the 4^x to 2^2x

wraith heart
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,tex .exp rules

rocky lotusBOT
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riemann

wraith heart
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power of power and 4 = 2^2

signal loom
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and lns

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tacit moon
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3e.e^2x-(e^4+9)(2e)^x+3e^2.2^(2x)=0

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take 2^2x common

signal loom
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the fist term doesnt have 2^x in common

tacit moon
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2^2x(3e.(e/2)^2x - (e^4+9)(e/2)^x+3e^2)=0

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2^2x can never be zero

tacit moon
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2^2x in first term

signal loom
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ohhhhhhhhhh

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ok thanks

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I did the first part, but I don’t see any connection with the second part

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I should understand it like: $x’=x_{n+1}$ and $x=xn$? Then what should be $f{n+1}$ and $f_n$? Also $f’$ and $f$?

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Aruseq

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oops

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@livid pier you know euler's method for numerically solving DEs right ?

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aPlatypus

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1st derivative is allowed to depend on time and the function itself, that's what the DE means in english

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and to get an approximate solution to that DE with euler's method, you need

  • an initial condition x(t0) = x0
  • a time step h
    and then we'll be computing approximations of x(t0+h), x(t0+2h), x(t0+3h), ...etc on time step after the other
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these approximations we call them x1, x2, x3, ...etc for each time step, one approx value of x

gritty sinew
# livid pier yup, I do

can you explain how we get from one time step to the next in euler's method then ? [just use your words or your notation first if you want, then I can translate to the notation used in your exercise]

livid pier
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Aruseq

gritty sinew
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last equality is wrong

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f(tn, yn) ain't just yn

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but yeah the rest is fine

gritty sinew
# livid pier

and in their notation f_n is just f(tn, yn) really

livid pier
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Aruseq

livid pier
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smth like that?

gritty sinew
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yeah well be careful you're mixing the x and ys, there's just xs here, should have paid more attention to that

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otherwise yes

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we aren't solving for two functions, there's only one function we're trying to find and we call it x

livid pier
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ye ye, I know it, I just wanted to introduce an auxiliary variable

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to be more clear

gritty sinew
livid pier
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I wrote it: y_1=x_0+h*f_0

gritty sinew
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that's the euler's method 1st approximated point ok

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why are you reusing it in the trapezoid rule computation tho ?

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they're two seperate methods

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one important thing about the trapezoid rule is that it's an implicit method

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$x_{n+1} = x_{n} + \frac{h}{2}(f_n + f_{n+1})$

rocky lotusBOT
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aPlatypus

gritty sinew
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the thing is f_n+1 also depends on x_n+1 in general

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so it's not as straightforward as just using the last point like you do in euler's methods

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you actually have to solve an equation to get x_n+1 out of this

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that's what they mean by finding an explicit formula for x_n+1

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it's not completely immediate what it is

livid pier
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I dont know if its that hard or I just cant get in intuitively, for what can't even do it 😭

gritty sinew
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there's a lot of moving parts that's all

livid pier
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yeah... I see

gritty sinew
rocky lotusBOT
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aPlatypus

livid pier
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yeah, at least I get this part xd

gritty sinew
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if you use f(t, x) = x+t [from the equation the question is about] what do you get for these two guys

livid pier
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Do you want me to just substitute?
\$f_n=x_n+t_n$
\$f_{n+1}=x_{n+1}+t_n+h$

rocky lotusBOT
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Aruseq

gritty sinew
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yes exactly

gritty sinew
livid pier
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$x_{n+1}=x_n+h/2*(x_{n+1}+x_n+2t_n+h)$

rocky lotusBOT
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Aruseq

gritty sinew
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yep exactly

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as I said earlier x(n+1) is on both sides of the equation

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that's what makes this method implicit [instead of explicit like euler's method]

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at least here the example is nice enough that you can solve easily for x(n+1) in terms of everything else

livid pier
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should I do it?

gritty sinew
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well that's what the question asks of you

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"find an explicit formula"

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how to compute x(n+1) in terms of the previous data

livid pier
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okaaay, I thought explicit means without x_n xd then euler wouldnt be explicit either

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so I get
\$x_{n+1}=\frac{2x_n+h(x_n+2t_n+h)}{2-h}$

rocky lotusBOT
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Aruseq

livid pier
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and that's all?

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prbbly not, I didnt even use x(t0)=x0

gritty sinew
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it's just the starting point really, it's not that important overall

gritty sinew
livid pier
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okay... so thats everything?

gritty sinew
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yeah

gritty sinew
# rocky lotus **Aruseq**

that's the formula you'd plug into your computer to get the next point from the previous one using the trapezoidal rule for that specific ODE given

livid pier
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ye ye, I get it

gritty sinew
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as wiki says

livid pier
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okay, I see it

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This is math question from a CSEC Past Paper (Caribbean Secondary/High School Math).
The answer is as in the picture. I would like to know and for someone to go through with me how do we arrive in that answer.
I understand the concept (or think i do) of y = mx + c
y being the y value, x being the x value, m is the gradient and c is the y intercept. (please correct me if im wrong). But i just dont quite understand how the answer is C. Help is very appreciated thank you.

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You add 7y to both sides

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Divide by 7

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And you got it

obtuse palm
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Hey! I still dont quite understand

paper verge
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you will try to make that equation look like y=mx+c basically

obtuse palm
paper verge
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you have 3x-7y-9=0

obtuse palm
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Yes

paper verge
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no plug ins, you will just change places of the numbers

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we need y value to be by itself right?

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so separating it and sending it to the other side you get 3x-9= 7y

obtuse palm
paper verge
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yes

obtuse palm
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from -7y it becomes positive since we change sides

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to a positive 7y

paper verge
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okk now we just need to get rid of the 7 in the front of y

paper verge
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obtuse palm
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is the 3 in the equation representing the m in mx + c?

paper verge
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the equation isnt there yet

paper verge
obtuse palm
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we need to take the 7 and place it on the other side. However im unsure where to put it. Its suppose to be dividing something correct?

paper verge
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lemme draw it real quick

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you divide it with 7 on both parts

obtuse palm
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ok i understand that part

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what are the steps we now need to take to get the gradient

paper verge
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the m is ur answer

obtuse palm
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how do we use it then?

paper verge
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what do u mean

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i mean use as in it fits the criteria for the formula

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obtuse palm
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I believe i understand

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Just let me piece it together

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ok, ive come up with the answer to it. So its asking for the gradient. Which is m. Using that since we put 7 on the left side it becomes what you see in the picture, therefore making it 3/7. Which is the answer for the gradient

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Is this correct?

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If they asked for the c which is the y intercept it would be 9/7?

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y = (3/7)x - 9/7

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y = mx + c

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m = 3/7, c = -9/7

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find the derivative of log(sin^2(x)) wrt sin(x)

midnight pier
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it was on an exam but none of the options could match my answer

green trail
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what did you get?

midnight pier
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1/sin^2(x) * 2sin(x)cos(x)

green trail
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how did you get that?

midnight pier
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chain rule

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and it was wrt sin(x)

green trail
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that lets with 2/sinx

midnight pier
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d(sin^2(x)) / d(sin(x))

river adder
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Ig here we might need sin^2 (x) = t

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Differentiate it

green trail
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sinx=t

river adder
green trail
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is the same

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but yours is longer

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i dont understand what you guys are hinting at

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what's the ques..?

green trail
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reading is understimated

midnight pier
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because i remember learning it this way

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and i want to know where i've gone wrong

polar oxide
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,, \frac{\dd}{\dd{sin^x}}\log(sin^2(x))

midnight pier
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wrt sin(x) and not x

midnight pier
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i just used chain rule

green trail
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[
\frac{d}{d(\sin x)}\log(\sin^2 x)
]

rocky lotusBOT
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Samuel

midnight pier
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and consodering that it was wrt sinx

midnight pier
green trail
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[
\log(\sin^2 x) = 2 \log(\sin x)
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Samuel

midnight pier
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i will be back in 10

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oh

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why was what i did wrong?

green trail
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who knows, whenever you show your work we can see

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igtg now

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Please reply ping

charred nacelle
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@midnight pier

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@midnight pier you there??

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yes

charred nacelle
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Ok so

midnight pier
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yes

charred nacelle
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Anyways

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How did you get that cosx to cancel with

midnight pier
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derivatrive of sin^2(x)

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oh that one

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thats derivation of sin(x) wrt x

charred nacelle
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check the derivative again

charred nacelle
midnight pier
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2sin(x) * cos(x)

charred nacelle
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exactly

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now look what you sent

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oh

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ohhhhh

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i got too carried away

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thank you so much

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Hello, is there anyone that can help me with quadratics, final is next week and I'm waiting for one neuron to like click and understand it. So please, anyone?

glass kelp
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Do u have like specific questions

quaint kelp
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yes, in standard form, ax^{2}+bx+c if I remember right, what does the "b" veriable do. (as I may or may not forgot).

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the 2 numbers that myltiply to c need to add up to b

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may you explain furthermore please?

silent fox
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yea

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so if u hhave

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x^2 + 7x + 10

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what numbers multiply to 10

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but add to 7

quaint kelp
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5 and 2

silent fox
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yea

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so that means 5 and 2 add up to the b variable

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(7)

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oh, ok thanks

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no prob

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i need help with arithmetic in general

drifting hornet
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any specific question?

midnight pier
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equations with congruence and diophantine equations

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how to solve them

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the exercice usually helps you with that

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they give you the necessary steps to make it easier for you to solve it

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but it depends in what type of equation

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Hi

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I have a question regarding a mathematical philosophical question: Am I allowed to ask about this? It is regarding mathematical models and their usage

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ask, at worst you get redirected

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whats the correct of order of operation when solving cosine law

r^2=650^2+550^2-2(650)(550)cos50?

stiff lily
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the same as any other equation

halcyon lintel
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im getting a different number though from what its suppoesd to be

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not sure if i wrote down my notes wrong or what

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show plz catthink

halcyon lintel
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650^2+550^2 = 725000

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then i do the second part...

stark wedge
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550^2 or 350^2?

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maybe you are typoing it?

halcyon lintel
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2(550)(650)cos50
= 247473.22

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725000-247473.22

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= 7002526.78

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is that right?

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,calc 650^2+550^2

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Result:

7.25e+5
glass kelp
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,w 2(550)(650)cos(50 deg)

stiff lily
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is that supposed to be 350 or 550

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halcyon lintel
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its 650 and 550

glass kelp
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is it 50 degrees

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or radians

halcyon lintel
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deg

glass kelp
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u sure ur calc is in deg?

halcyon lintel
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what answer are you getting?

glass kelp
halcyon lintel
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that's your final answre? that's even more off

glass kelp
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not my final

stark wedge
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725000-247473.22
= 7002526.78

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sus

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how are you subtracting two 6-digit numbers and getting 7 million and change

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did you do it by hand and screw it up

halcyon lintel
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2(550)(650)cos50
does this not equal to 459593.1409??

glass kelp
stark wedge
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hold on so like, are we having a master class in how to use a calculator or what

halcyon lintel
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725000-459593.1409

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=265406.8591??

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is that the answer?

stark wedge
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yes that's the value of your expression

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if this came from applying the law of cosines -- which it really looks like it did -- you'll want to take the square root of that in order to get back to the third side length.

halcyon lintel
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that's still not the answer that was given in class

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anyway...somebody is wrong

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thanks

stiff lily
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that'll be r^2

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you're not quite done

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assuming the end goal is to get r

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what's the expected answer?

halcyon lintel
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1,184,602

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then you square root it, so final answer should be 1,088

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did you copy down the question correctly?

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can you take a pic of the original

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Hi, i just joined this server, because i just finished my pre-calc class this year, i would like to start learning calculus for my own, does anyone have any recommendation of what i should learn or memorize as a beginner?

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okay, i currently have (Calculus by Larson Edward, the ninth edition), is that one okay?

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Hello, I am new to the server and I am at the end of grade 8, anything that I could do for high school like topics (I am doing physics on khan academy atp but any math topics would be helpful and suggestions).

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thanks, also just in case, do i have to memorize all the basic derivatives and integrals, and if that is the case witch ones are the most relevants?

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And as you do practice problems, you'll probably naturally memorize them

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thank you so much you two for the help, I'll just start with the textbook, to see how it goes. 👋

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where

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or any of the 5 available ones

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chatgpt can generate problems too

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good luck with calculus btw

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how do i do a?

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use the properties of the integral that you can split it up

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water beam

wet tundra
novel canyon
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bru

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did they not teach you this

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actually u dont even need to be taught this u can intuitively see for ur self why this is the case

wet tundra
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why

novel canyon
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look

wet tundra
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shud i just graph a random func in my calc

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to see

novel canyon
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this is the graph of x^2

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no

wet tundra
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yes

novel canyon
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no calculator

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just look

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what happens if you add the area from a to b

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then add the area from b to c

wet tundra
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idk it gets bigger

novel canyon
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..

wet tundra
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oh then it goes from a to c

novel canyon
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yes it is the same as the area from a to c

wet tundra
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what about psrt ii

novel canyon
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same property

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fundamental theorem of calculus would certainly help

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Can I get some help with a Janestreet Puzzle? It's just for fun so if somebody else needs help give them priority.

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The 11-by-11 grid above is divided into several regions. Place positive digits (1-9) into the cells. Every cell within a region must contain the same digit, and orthogonally adjacent cells in different regions must have different digits.

After doing this, place some tiles into the grid. Tiles are represented by blacking out a cell, and no two tiles are allowed to share a common edge. When a tile is placed on a cell, it displaces the value (digit) in that cell. That means the orthogonally adjacent cells, collectively, must be incremented by that displaced value. (For instance, in the example the rightmost tile displaces a 5. That displaced 5 results in increments of 1 for the cells below and to the left of the tile, and an increment of 3 for the cell above it.)

Digits may not be incremented any higher than 9. Incrementing digits may cause neighboring cells from different regions to contain the same value – this is fine. Some cells have been highlighted: these cells may not contain tiles and may not be altered by any of the increments.

And finally! Each row has been supplied with a clue. Every number formed by concatenating consecutive groups of un-tiled cells within a row must satisfy the clue given for the row. (As in the example.) Numbers must be at least two digits long and may not repeat in the grid.

The answer to this month’s puzzle is the sum of all the numbers formed in the completed grid. (As in the example.)

mild kernel
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they mention an example?

mortal sluice
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let me getthe picture

mild kernel
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well what have you tried

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they make it sound like you should be able to fill in all of the cells before placing tiles, but when you do this then the hints dont apply?

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that doesnt make any sense to me

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how are you supposed to know if youve placed them correctly or not without any other restriction

mortal sluice
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the approahc ive been taking is to place the tiles as you go

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and sometimes u just bump into contradictions

cloud coral
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Product 25/product 20 seems to be the restriction to look at first

mortal sluice
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like the (col, row) = (6, 6) could be a 1 or 5

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*must be

cloud coral
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Product 25, third square needs to be a tile

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Otherwise too large i guess?

mortal sluice
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hmm let me think i havent tried that yet

cloud coral
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And hence can only push the extra value up

mortal sluice
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wait y would that be the case?

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im not seeing it

cloud coral
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Obviously cannot have 1 digit numbers

mortal sluice
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right

cloud coral
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But 5 means "at least 5" or tile

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But 25 has no bigger factors <=9

mortal sluice
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wait sry im a bit slow rn bc ive been staring at this

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can u use the cell number?

cloud coral
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C6

mortal sluice
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so we're assuming the left region starts with 5s?

cloud coral
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If that region has 5s then this is a tile

mortal sluice
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mm okay

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checks out

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wait couldnt a6 be a tile meaning c6 isnt necessarily a tile

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woeful latch
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I can't think of a less brute force method to figure this out, anybody have any tips?

woeful latch
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Make an equation to be able to do this faster

wraith heart
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What is "this"

woeful latch
# wraith heart What is "this"

I'm trying to calculate what the new weeks total distance would be if a runner should be able to run the previous week's distance multiplied by 1.1 or 110%

wraith heart
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Oh

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,calc 1.1^5

rocky lotusBOT
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Result:

1.61051
woeful latch
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I can't think of a less brute force way other than to just do it manually

wraith heart
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The operation you're looking for is called exponentiation

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There are computer algorithms that calculate fast exponentiation

woeful latch
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Thanks for the help

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So, Just to be clear...I am not in a quiz rn, this is me studying. And I need help because I don't understand why the other base is equal to x but on the right it's 15-x...why is it just x and not 15-x???

clever sigil
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So is it because, x=part of 15, let's say 15=y+x? so y=15-x?

next vortex
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so the length of the second base has to be 15 - x so that we can get 15 when we add em together

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Please don't multipost; this makes it clear to helpers what progress was made on a question.

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silent fox
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Hi

vale dockBOT
silent fox
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How do i do this 🙏

gloomy harness
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Flatus

golden gate
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7. None of the above
silent fox
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i factorised the right

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idk how to do the 3 part

gloomy harness
golden gate
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!showyourwork

rocky lotusBOT
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Flatus

vale dockBOT
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Show your work, and if possible, explain where you are stuck.

gloomy harness
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that's the proof

silent fox
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ohh

gloomy harness
silent fox
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yes

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ill do it rq

gloomy harness
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alr bet

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if u still got a problem ping me

silent fox
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nvm i dont get it @gloomy harness

neon summit
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Astar777

silent fox
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.. .o

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i don get it

neon summit
rocky lotusBOT
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Astar777

neon summit
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$3 - \frac{(x+1)(x-2)}{(x+1)(x-1)}$

rocky lotusBOT
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Astar777

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neon summit
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he didnt get the previous hint

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this was the next step

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i didnt give more after that

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cunning ruin
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Hello

vale dockBOT
cunning ruin
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I want to find the continuity of the greatest integer function

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using mathematical arguments

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I have tabulated the graph, and observed that the graph breaks at integral variables

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I do not wish to proceed with the diagram

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There are two cases:

Case 1 is for interior points

Case 2 is for integral points

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I can complete case 2 with ease, but I'm facing troubles with case 1

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Please help

timber burrow
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What are those interior points?. Points other than integral points?

cunning ruin
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Right, they are those points.

timber burrow
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U know the graph right

cunning ruin
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I know the graph

timber burrow
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There is no discontinuity in the graph at interior points.

cunning ruin
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Can you prove it mathematically?

timber burrow
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Like not graphically

cunning ruin
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Right

timber burrow
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Do you know the condition for continuity. Lhl=rhl=f(x)

cunning ruin
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I know it. Continuity at a point

timber burrow
cunning ruin
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I need some help with the general expressions required to use it

timber burrow
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Where n is an integer

cunning ruin
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Right

timber burrow
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gif(a)=n

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Lim h tends to 0 gif(a-h)=n

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Since a-h is very close to a.(Only just smaller)

cunning ruin
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Right

timber burrow
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Similarly lim h tends to 0 gif(a+h)=n

timber burrow
cunning ruin
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What about the point just to the left of n+1

timber burrow
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a+1??

timber burrow
cunning ruin
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The function isn't continuous at that point, intuitively

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But there's no way to prove it using my basic mathematical knowledge

timber burrow
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Forget about a+1

cunning ruin
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No, the point just to the left of n+1

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It is an edge point

timber burrow
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We just proved function is continuous at a
Where a is an interior point

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You understood that part??

cunning ruin
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I made a typing error

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Edit: What about the point just to the left of n+1

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The function isn't continuous at that point, intuitively

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But there's no way to prove it using my basic mathematical knowledge

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It is an edge point

river adder
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cunning ruin
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The function is the greatest integer function, f(x)= [x]

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<@&286206848099549185>

river adder
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Obviously it will be n
Like for example if u put n= 3
So left of n+1 will be 3

cunning ruin
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No, the discussion is about the point that lies just to the left of 4

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The point which we can't locate

river adder
cunning ruin
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But, to the right the answer will be four

river adder
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Yes

cunning ruin
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So, the limit does not exist at this theoretical point

river adder
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It's greatest integer function so yeah

river adder
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See that u will understand

cunning ruin
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But books say there is only one kind of point of discontinuity

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For this function

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The integral points

river adder
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Yes

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All of them

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4 is too

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Tats why

cunning ruin
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But there is another kind: all points that lie just to the left of the integers

river adder
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For them there actual no. Or integer will be answer

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Like left of 4 and right of 3 all will get same answer 3

cunning ruin
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They are not the same kind of points

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Right

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Left of 4 makes the function discontinuous, as does 4 itself.

river adder
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Discontinuity at integers

cunning ruin
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Discontinuity at points to the left of integers

river adder
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Nah its discontinuity at integers

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See graph first

cunning ruin
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A graph is a slow and imprecise form of mathematics

river adder
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U will not get that without graph

stark wedge
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it's kind of silly to completely eschew graphs though

cunning ruin
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I have despised drawing since childhood

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Tbh

river adder
cunning ruin
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I know it

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It is a bunch of steps

river adder
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It's like leader (what's that called)

cunning ruin
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They start at integral points

stark wedge
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it's like a staircase is how i would describe it.

cunning ruin
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Would you say that the function is discontinuous at points just to the left of the integers

river adder
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No

cunning ruin
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I've taken a mild liking to drawing as an adult though

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why not?

viscid sedge
river adder
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It's at integers as i said earlier

cunning ruin
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@stark wedge what do you think?

viscid sedge
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continuous elsewhere

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just plot it

cunning ruin
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Of course it is integers

viscid sedge
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,w plot floor(x) from x = -10 to 10

stark wedge
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how far left?

cunning ruin
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The point that lies immediately to the left of the integer

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It is a theoretical point

cunning ruin
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@stark wedge

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I know that it is discontinuous at the integers

stark wedge
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what is this point "immediately to the left of" 0, for example?

cunning ruin
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But what about the points that lie immediately to the left of the integers

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I have assumed it exists

stark wedge
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tell me what this point is called -- i don't know of one.

cunning ruin
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I don't know what it is yet

stark wedge
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are you positing that there exists some number $u$ exists that $u < 0$ but there aren't any numbers between $u$ and $0$?

rocky lotusBOT
cunning ruin
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Right

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I want to assume that there exists such a u

stark wedge
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u/2 would like to know your location

cunning ruin
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I assume that the number is indivisible

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I am thinking of it to be like an indivisible subatomic particle

river adder
cunning ruin
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Let this number be the only number that cannot be divided further

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and every number lies at u distance from the neighbouring number

stark wedge
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this is no longer real numbers you're talking about

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there are no subatomic particles in the reals!

river adder
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I'm offended

stark wedge
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are you serious or joking @river adder

cunning ruin
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I am assuming that it cannot be divided by any number greater than 1

river adder
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Serious ig
Ok I'll take it as a joke

stark wedge
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cunning ruin
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If you keep on probing you will finally hit an indivisible quantity. I am not sure if the indivisible quantity will always stay the same...

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It is natural

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Why isn't there a branch of mathematics that makes this assumption?

stark wedge
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dude it's not even true in rational numbers

cunning ruin
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Mathematics is supposed to mirror the physical world

pine prairie
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no math is made up jargon for lunatics

cunning ruin
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I say that mathematics needs rethinking

pine prairie
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it just so happens to sometimes approximately describe the physical world

sharp whale
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something is happening? its time to investigate

cunning ruin
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But assuming that such a point exists, the function is discontinuous at two types of points

sharp whale
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hey do you want to hear something crazy

cunning ruin
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What are you going to talk about?

edgy meteor
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wtf is happening here

sharp whale
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@cunning ruin there are such things as sets that have no beginning nor end, but are bounded

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these are an unfortunate consequence of infinite sets

pine prairie
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there are even sets with no meaningful measure of length too

sharp whale
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for example, consider the set of proper fractions

pine prairie
river adder
sharp whale
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for any number you can name, you can divide it by 2 and get a smaller number