#geometry-and-trigonometry
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Right now I'm preparing for one, yeah
I have like 3 months left
Yes
Also that exercise got my kind of confused cuz back when I was doing geometry in my school we would solve such problems doing the exact same thing I did (without giving the approximate result but the actual number even if it wasn't rational)
lol i definetly had no chance at solving that
@snow crystal i thiiink i see the mistake?
if there is
kinda forgot trig rules but one sec
huh
but consider this for any right triangle. if a = 30 deg, then that would mean AD = 8 which is not true
wait I think I see the mistake
triangle DEF is not inscribed in any circle
So I cannot use law of sines like that
that makes sense now
also
so I get that tan alpha = 1/2
law of sine is kinda weird when not all of the sides are acute
you mean angles
angles yeah my bad
I mean in this case it doesn't make any difference
we love that 26.57 degree angle đ
ill try tio like approximate some the solution bc thas just what we do
i got 1.252 which is like same thing that the other guy got, GGGYeah
cool
would love to show you my solution if you like reading messy, sloppy, bad-pencil, cumbled-paper, incoherent, non-standard writing
I like challenges
you can post it here
yeah I did all the calculations and got ~ 1,25 as well
Too embarassing may I dm you
sure
thats nice of yall
how long did it took u get?
i realized earlier than u could straight up go to SSS law of sine case to ease the calculation a bit
what's there to learn trig wise after learning the core trig functions & how to use them to find sides / angles + law of sine / cosine?
I guess this is because of the property that sin(x)= sin(Ď-x) so you have to find if the angles are acute or not
sketching graphs of trig functions, solving trig equations and inequalities
(for example)
yeah, or maybe if u have a trig book, dig into those lessons
yea
hmmmm
I will look into that
trig book might be useful
only rly learning trig rn for game dev stuff
ooh interesting
wow I'd never think that would actually come inhandy in life
Joe casted a shadow extending 2 met-
is that a homework question?
LMAOO
Avg homework question stereotype where you have to find how close Joe is to the lämp and stuffs
Honestly I wish they could provide an example of how math is used irl
But yeah that's why universities exist probably
people use it to calculate the height of buildings by looking at the building's shadow
no one does that, but that's what its used for apparently
what game are u making?
not making any game rn at this time
but realised i need to scratch up on my math skills
this is why i struggled a lot in school
- they just sucked at teaching people that have any sort of different thought process
What do you expect, school is standardized, also has to differentiate student with grades, and it's very slow to change the legislation or something
i understand why it is the way it is
doesn't change the fact that it sets up a lot of students for failure
what grade are u in rn?
University freshman
I'm here because I'm mostly bored
oh lol
What are euclids postulates
That's something Google is good at answering.
is sin^2 x the same as (sin x)^2 or sin(x^2)?
sin^2 x = (sinx)^2
This question came up in my precalc course (not on a quiz or anything graded, but as a practice question), and im completely at a loss when it comes to solving it. can someone help?
the tan function gives u the ratio of opposite side and adjacent side. Now, it asks for the value of the ratio of secant function in the third quadrant. What do u know about the sides in the third quadrant?
A frame in the shape of an equilateral triangle encloses three circular discs of radius length 5 cm so that the discs touch each other. Find:
a. the perimeter of the smallest frame which can enclose the discs
b. the area enclosed between the discs.
I got the perimeter but I am completely lost on what to do for area
what does it mean by the smallest frame?
(for b) If the area asks for this area, then I think u can find the area of the equilateral triangle such that adding the area of those sectors with degree measure of 60 each, and that area x is equal to the area of the scaled-down triangle
u could refer to the radii as lengths of the triangle
thank youu
Would this be how you would solve it? Or did I make a mistake
i think i found the mistake, the theorem says that the sin formula can be used for triangle which belongs to circle but the one you did that for(4/sin(a)=8) is wrong bc its half of it
yeah I already found that yesterday
ooh then sorry i just saw it
isn't tho? i think its a simple question which requires trained eye to these kind of problems so you can pave your way and draw extra lines
ooh i love these questions, my favourite one is this
seems about right
ok thank you!
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if (sinx)^n = sin^n(x) then why isn't (sinx)^-n = sin^-n(x)
because (sinx)^-n = (1/sinx)^n
because if you raise a number to a negative power you get its reciprocal
hmm
but then technically (sinx)^-n = sin^-n(x) is correct too
you could just evaluate sinx first and then reciprocal
but sinx is a single term
you can't break it into pieces like that
wait , you mean this? $\sin^{-n}\left(x\right)$
iammax420
but sin^-n (x) means the same as 1/sin^n (x)
they may look different but it's exactly the same thing
someone said u can't write it like that
a friend
he asked teacher, teacher said it's some binomial stuff
idk
welp thanks
take arcsin for example
this is the inverse function to y = sin x
and arcsin is basically sin^-1 x
which is (sin x)^-1
hm yeah
wait how
that's 1/sinx
which is different than arcsin
yep
and 1/sinx isn't the same as arcsinx
oh wait lol
turns out 1/sin x=csc x
eeee
ok my bad apparently
so turns out sin^-1(x) is not equal to (sin x)^-1
interesting
ohhh wait that makes sense
so basically sinx=b/a
(sinx)^-1 = 1/sinx = a/b
which is csc x
same thing with other trig functions
yeah ik that
but what's the explanation behind this
ok I think I know now
sin^-1 x is the inverse of the result of sin x
whereas (sin x)^-1 is the inverse of sinx
u said opposite
(sinx)^-1 is inverse of result of sinx which is basically 1/sinx
that's all sorted out
what I'm asking is
why isn't (sinx)^-n = sin^-n(x) just like (sinx)^n = sin^n(x)
(sinx)² = sin²x but this doesn't work when u replace 2 with -2
why is that
what's the reason
hmm
actually the formula has a condition that says n must be a Natural Number. That's why (sin x)^n = sin^n(x) is only applicable for n = 1, 2, 3, 4.........
Hope it helped your doubt
Idk the exact reason of this rule. But (sinx)^-2 is just simply written (cosec x)^2 or cosec^2(x) and not sin^-2(x)
the reciprocal of sine function has a separate denotion "cosec". That's why we don't need to write sin^-2(x) separately
actually it has nothing to do with arcsin x or sin inverse. cosec and sin are inter-related but arcsin is not related like that
arcsin is the inverse of the sine function. The -1 on sin in arcsin or sin inverse denotes the inverse the function. For example f^-1(x) is the inverse of f(x) not reciprocal
ok but it is related to the question that they asked
because sin^-1 x = arcsin x
and that got him confused
haha the confusion is too common. I also had the same two years ago
tbf I haven't even studied this "inverse trig functions" thing so I shouldn't have said anything lol
also I'll ask my teacher about it
i see. inverse trig function is not that hard by the concept tho. Questions can be
good! if possible let me know too what he thinks about it
I will
nah not that
arcsin is fine
its inverse of sin
i want the reasoning behind this
but why
whats the reason that (sinx)² = sin²x is only valid for natural numbers
why cant u do the same with negative integers
i can't provide exact mathematical or logical answer to this question. you can take it like a tradition/manner/rule to write or denote like this
As I mentioned before
I will let you guys know as soon as I find out
okie
Funny thing is that there is plenty of "honorable people" or sum other graduates on this server that can easily answer this question but for whatever reason they won't
That would save us some time
Neither can I
where did u even hear that
this is the first time im hearing that
actually kinda makes sense cause of sin^-1(x)
if i had to guess i would say that its just a convention
damn not even desmos lets me try
If you want sin^a(x) in desmos try sqrt(sin(x))^2a. They are similar except for the fact desmos won't show an accurate graph.
Notation for sin makes no sense
I was just playing around with the notation but thank you nevertheless
I assumed so too
the notation is just weird
I always just read sin²x as (sin x)²
I don't encounter cases with the notation sin^a(x) other than sin²(x) often, so I never rly thought abt it
In the case of $\sin^{-1}(x)$ I just naturally assume arcsin
utopian_vision
There is no reason. This is a question of notation, not on the properties of the sine function. You can do this, and nobody is going to scold you, as long as it is clear from context what you mean. The problem with this method of notation is that sin^(-1)(x) is already used for something: arcsin, the inverse function. And, in general, f^(-1)(x) is usually used for the inverse function, while f(x)^(-1) is the reciprocal. But arcsin(x) is already an alternate notation, so you are free to use sin^(-1)(x) as notation for 1/sin(x) all you want, as long as it is clear to the reader that is the notation you are going with. But, at the end of the day, you can avoid all of this by simply using sin(x)^a. That is absolutely unambiguous. Yes, it means you have to use parentheses, because sin x^a is also ambiguous (it could be sin(x^a) or sin(x)^a), but it avoids all of these issues, nonetheless.
Who told you this, or where did you read that? How is that even a "formula"?
hmm
My maths teacher told me this 3 years ago that n must be a Natural number. But I read your explanation too. Your's is more clear. It's just a matter of convenience as long as the reader can understand what I am trying to convey
makes sense
they probably told that as a convention
cuz you dont usually do (sinx)^-n = sin^-n(x)
yeah, you are right. It's all just convention
or sin(x)^a
If we have 3 position vector points on the plane, we can find two displacement vectors. Then we find normal vector $\vec N$, and to find equation of plane $\vec N \cdot (\vec r - \vec r_1) =0$ is done. I have problem understanding why we have to find the normal vector to plane.
tbhaxor
If we have two vectors $\vec S_1$ and $\vec S_2$ we can consider them as basis vector and span the whole plane. Why do we need normal vector, this part is bugging me.
tbhaxor
What I think is that, its related to how the plane lies in the space. In 2D we describe line by two points specficially touching the x and y axis. Similarity here in 3D, when we have plane there are infinite ways of its orientianation which also changes with perpendicular vector (aka normal vector).
If this is wrong, please correct me
You do not have to find the normal vector. A parameterization works just fine. But it is a natural choice for a single equation form. The short answer is because the equation is defined by N dot R = 0. The presence of a dot product equaling zero should clue you in that there is some sort of orthogonality relationship at play.
The long answer is as follows: We desire that $\vec{N}\cdot \vec{r}=\vec{N}\cdot \vec{r}_1$. Thus, a particular solution for $\vec{r}$ is going to be $\vec{r}=\vec{r}_1$, and the rest can be obtained from a linear combination of vectors in the kernel of the linear transformation $\vfunc{f}{\bR^3}{\bR}{\vec{x}}{\vec{N}\cdot\vec{x}}$. That is, vectors orthogonal to $\vec{N}$. Since we defined $\vec{N}$ as being orthogonal to the $\vec{S}$ vectors, then this equation describes exactly the plane spanned by the $\vec{S}$ vectors, which passes through $\vec{r}_1$.
st.jamie.
can someone help me with these
- Then OP is congruent with PN.
Oh wait. It is asking for angles haha.
yea i think sso
Do you see that in 7, segment LM and segment MN, both are congruent and related and both have the M? So using that, then we can also say that the answer for 7 is then : angle LMN is congruent to angle NML.
ohhh
Do you see it?
I wouldn't say you are wrong, but I don't think they are asking for the angle (you are giving angles as answer). The are givving you the angles for you to give them the segments (the inverse of number 7)
Give them the segment of line that are congruent. The connecting point is P which I think you notice already.
oh so what should i give as an asnwer then?
What is the opposite segment of the angle PNO?
ONP?
ONP is an angle, not a segment (segment are described by 2 points, angles are described by 3 points)
What is the opposite segment of the angle PNO?
What is the opposite segment of the angle PON?
PON?
PNO?
PON is an angle. I am not askin for the angle but for the segment of line opposite to the angle PON.
ohhh
wait I don't understand
I'm very bad at this topic
the oppsite segement stuff
Ok, in the picture, if you see ccarefully, look at the angle MNL. What is the opposite segment of line of that angle?
The answer is LM
Or ML.
LM is a segment of line.
so this is PO?
ahhh
You have to be careful and be very strict with the definitions.
yea i see that now
so for 8 It's PO congeuent to segment OP?
No. But PO or OP is correct inthe first blank space if they are asking for line segments.
PO or OP is the segment opposite tot the first angle, What is the opposite segment of the angle PON?
oh
PN?
PO is congruent to PN
Yes, that should be fine but a cleaner answer (a little detail in the order) would be: OP is congruent to PN
ohhh okay
Thank you.
In 11 look at the sides how do you go from 16 to 12
what do you mean
I mean there not corresponding
you have 8:4
but you also have 16:12
the ratio is not the same
what does this mean to you?
the ratio's are unequal
so are the triangles similar?
no
there ya go
ohhh
so
for the answer
i just write the ratios aren't the same, therefore the triangles aren't similar
what about 12
what can you say about 12
one triangle is smaller than the other
what about the angles
they arent the same either
right angle?
nope
um wait lemmie check
vertical angles
vertical?
yeah
and also the ratios of corresponding sides are the same
10/24 = 15/36
which means ...
there similar
yep
np
Opposite
How would I solve for x and y without using trig like without SOHCAHTOA
pythag
Use 9^2 + b^2= 15^2 then use that information to solve bc
see what
might have done a more rigorous approach but, you can find the side of DC using pytha, then find length of DB using pytha again and subtract it to DB from DC. Then, find area of triangle DBA and subtract it from the area of triangle DAC. Finally, the area of triangle ABC is equal to (x*AC)/2
Woahhhhh
That actually makes sense, THANK YOU
np!
vertically opposite angles
u can find BC by use 2 similar triangles DBA and FBC. It's faster
thought of that as well, but how could we prove that they are similar?
AA
but wouldnt it require to do the sohcahtoa thing?
no
how come
it's too easy. You cann't prove it ??
yeah, that's right
oh right, lol my bad for not seeing it
yeah that's surely a better way
trig is hard
would cross product fall under geometry?
Perhaps but isn't that more of vectors
hm true
does anyone know where I can get a ti 84+ for the cheapest price possible or a ti inspire for the lowest price
how would i do these
Which one?
Use for the tasks 14 and 15 the intercept theorem đ
idk that
Hmm I see
For 13 you can use the pythagorean theorem
Do you know that?
$a^2+b^2=c^2$
gilgamesh5000
ye
Yes
You have the value for h đ it's 12
ohhh
You can only solve for xđ
$20^2 = 12^2 + x^2$ solve it
gilgamesh5000
how
$20^2 = 12^2 + x^2 \mid -12^2 \ 20^2 - 12^ 2 = x^2 \
400 - 144 = x^2$
gilgamesh5000
Now you can calculate
yea so 400-144=256
and the 256=x^2, so u square root 256 to remove the ^2 from the x
and you get 16
Yes
ahhh
x=16 is your final answer
yes
do i do the same with 14 and 15?
With intercept theorem
what's that
do you still need help?
it'd only work if they're right triangles right? tho not indicated that theyare
Someone please suggest me some good geometry problems.
look up AOPs problems
no i finally understood it lol
you can use thales theorem for part a
thalas..?
If three points A, B, and C lie on the circumference of a circle, whereby the line AC is the diameter of the circle, then the angle â ABC is a right angle (90°).
it can be done with Pythagoras theorem as well
Considering O as origin , can you figure out the angle BOC ?
BC = 3cm
Radius = 3cm
OB = 3cm
What triangle is this ?
a right angled.. according to part a
NOO its not right angled
idk whut it is
this is why i hate math
Ahh sorry I didn't specify properly, what triangle is BOC
but isnt the question asking for abc..?
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oh srry i didnt knw that
Yes but it's a step to reach the answer
ohh
no problem
it can be done using straight lines
this is so confusing đ
We need to figure out the coordinates of point C and in order to do that first we try to figure out that the triangle BOC is equilateral triangle (and argue that the x coordinate of C lies midway on x-axis) and then apply Pythagoras theorem to figure out the y-coordinate of point C
ohh
Although I'm not sure if there's a shorter (and easier) way to do this.
So can you figure out what (type of) triangle BOC is (given that BC = BO = OC = 3cm) ?
but the problem is we dont knw what type of triangle it is
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hmm it's a equilateral triangle since all sides are equal
how do uk all sides are equal tho..?
It's given BC = BO = OC = 3cm
theey only gave bc
Yes and the radius is 3cm which gives the length of other two sides (which are radii themselves)
OHH
So can you now figure out what's the x-coordinate of point C ?
is it 1.5?
Yes
so AB= 6 and bc = 3
we can use phytogoras theroem ..?
oh nvm we dont need to find AC
If c is not point a or b , then acb = 90
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15 minutes after posting your question.
What part do you not understand?
OH
c
Oh. Just convert m/s to km/h and calculate both of their distances, then find the distance between them.
Since they've been moving from 12:00 to 12:30, time elapsed is 1/2 hour.
If you've still got doubts, ping me.
okay
Have you got doubts?
how to convert into km/h ....i forgot..
,tex $\frac{xm}{1s}=\frac{\frac{x}{1000}km}{\frac{1}{3600}h}=3.6\cdot\frac{xkm}{1h}$
@sharp lodge
okayy
rageiplier
The angle between h and x is not said to be 90°
Gang what do l have to do here to find the diameter
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Oh, they spammed in multiple channels and then left.
a fun geometry problem I found online
solved it in 15 mins, actually easier than I expected. I bet yall could get it faster
are 1,6 and 0,6 the midpoints?
oo the shit's crazy af
goin to grab some papers
GH is of 1 unit
draw a line parallel to gh from b it will be of same length
consider the point where the line from b cuts GC E
wait whats the length of GC and HB
How much you wanna bet it's just 48
What do you know about the angles of a parallelogram
uh angle a + angle b = 180 degrees
Yes that's what you get from one, now you can solve for x
And then you can write the other one and solve for y
confused
which one?
I got 37.12594146315
GC length is 1,6 and BH length is 0,6
Bottema'a theorem, van Aubel's theorem and Napoleon's theorem, are all brilliant. If you have never seen them before, you will be amazed! I prove then all by working in the complex plan, as van Aubel did in 1878.
Adjacent Angles Of Parallelogram Is Always 180 Degrees
cant u just Google it
I Need help with this problem
this is what Iâve done so far
And btw thereâs no trig involved cuz the lesson is geometrical transformations like rotation translation dilation and stuff like that
I don't see how you can hope to end up with degrees without doing some trig along the way.
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First thing what number is larger ET or TF?
not quite, but can you show your sol?
Yesterday, I realized that I made a mistake on that problem
Quite early into it
but I'll redo it
ight gl!
i am
what do u know about similar figures' properties?
specifically, what is the relationship between fig 1's angles and sides to fig 2's?
all the angles are congruent
like all corresponding angles
how about the sides?
the corresponding sides are proportional
u can think of it like this, the figures are like the images u scale up or down in MS Word
yeah okay
so i make an equation
yeah
.
now u could set ratios that would make them in proportion
and frmo the given figure, u can have more than one approach, as long as they are in proportion
so like x=16, 38=19 right?
clearly, 38 is not 19 isnt it?
yea
right, so what ratios of corresponding sides do u think could u set in proportion?
meaning the value of their ratios would give the same answer/quotient
um idk
im lost
i.e what sides from the larger figure is comparable to the smaller figure?
x and 16?
38 and 19
yea
and when ratios are in proportion, it means that the two set of things that we compare are equal. Simply an equation of ratios
the answer is B
yea
yup, and could u explain how u were able to get it?
I guessed cuz the time was gonna end
ohh, lmao i didnt expect that
hahaha I was lucky
I'm gonna study my mistakes tho
but i'd suggest at least reading more about it on the internet or wherever u could, coz u seem to be confused on similar triangles
yeah that'd help surely
yea i don't understand them at all
i got all the similar triangle questions wrong
u can look up khan academy and browse videos all about similar triangles, they're free online
did u listen in class? or there was some trouble u encountered while it was being discussed
it's an online course
so there is no class
just work
oh
but the hw she gave us was so easy
and this assinment was sm diff than the hw's she gave
welp, might be a call to look into it deeper
yea i will
I struggled with these too lol
what should i do lmao theyre so hard
yeah
Did you learn theorems for it
a few but not enough for me to do this problem correctly
i'd know how to put the theorems down once i heard them but i dont know what to look for yk?
idk the first step
and i dont know theorems well enough to do it in reverse
yeah side angle side, you can tell if two triangles are congruent if they share a side, an angle, and another side. right?
Yes
I think you would use these so first say that Angle RYM and Angle TYN are vertical angles i guess
And Angle MYT and RYN are vertical too
I would start from that
ok let me write that down
Oh wait sry im wrong i think
yeah im trying to figure this out it doenst sound right lol
i need to prove that rym and ryn are congruent
yes
and then triangle rny and rmy share TWO SIDES because ry!
yes
lemme write this down un momento
wait i think thats it
Angle MYT plus Angle RYM would be 180 degrees right
Oh?
yeah i meant triangle
i think we had a way to prove from this
da fuq is an angle
which means
angle rym and ryn are congruent
and thats
two sides and an angle?
my=ny, ry, and rym/ryn
SAS?
Yeah i think how to solve this is right
Yay
Np!
and if bmi and kmt are congruent,
then thats
ok so ipk and tpb share ip and tp
tpb contains tp
and ipk contains ip
and theyre congruent
so thats a side
Wait Angle B and Angle K is
oh yeah cuz those are congruenbt
i can figure those out with google those arent the issue lol
Oh okok lol
We can't do ASS so we would need one more angle
so that we could do AAS
side pk and bt are congruent
right
couldnt it be sas? side 1: ip and tp, angle b and k and side pk and bt
Why pk and bt?
bmi and kmt are congruent
and ip and pt are
so adding the same length to the same lenght
wqait
i said the wrong thing
pk and bP
Yes that would be right, but i think that would be ASS
i dont get the difference lol? if you have two sides and an angle cant that just be sas? like what determines that
anyway
heres the next one
yo.
this is easy
wait
triangle must add up to 180
If the side is next to the side it would be ss if there is an angle next to the side it is sa
yes
ok lets do this easy one and go back to that
okkk
that should be fine
am i allowed to ask what grade u do geometry
yeah so normally it would be 10th or 11th at my school, but im in a faster and higher course so for me im taking it my freshman year, but for most else they take it 10th or 11th
wow
a lot of people will be doing algebra in freshman yeaer
while i did that this past year
so u in 9th?
yeah
ME TOO
YO
but im in algebra2 lol
yeah im taking that 10th lol
makes sense lmao
everyone in my grade is either algebra which i took last year or algebra 2 which i take next year
cuz im doing honors geometry freshman year
in the middle
wdym
cuz im the only one in algebra2 in my grade
YES
ohhh
thats nice
but i did algebra t/a eight grade, which means i go to geometry, not algebra two. so basicallty the seventh graders who were in my class this year are a year ahead of all of us
and two years ahead than the normal math people
yeah im rlly scared tho. only because of these damn proofs theyre so hard
IKR PROOFS ARE SO HARD
okkk
lol
xjk and xjk triangles and angles are congrent
lamo
jesus
wait
xjk
and
xjf
there
lmao
so J is the midpoint?
yay
let me see if i have more tho
okkkk
idt i have more proofs but i def got more work
okk
heres the thing my tutor
assigned me those proofs
and then gave me some other pdf but he never said what to do in it
What lol
lemme text him
okk
If I have a circle lying on a larger sphere say on the southern hemisphere and I know that the circle has circumference 10, how can I figure out the distance from the south pole to a point on the circle? From the circumference I can find that the radius of the circle is 5/pi, but I think I would also need something else to find the distance.
Hello
This is what I got, approximately: 36.53096278
I found the equations for the quater circles and integrated with respect to each of the functions and bounds
how bout u actually think and try before u say such statements
u can use 30,60,90 triangles to solve this problem by rotating the figure 90 degrees counter clockwise
which is what I partially did before u said what I was doing what hopeless
what r u laughing about
my solution
I'll use Google Translate to explain but I don't know if it will translate correctly
first I used marlen's theorem to find the other segment that also contains 2V3, such a theorem says that the sum of the squares of these segments generated by the opposite vertices are equal, in this case for example I said that V6 for the square plus 3V2 for the square was equal to 2V3 for the square plus x for the square such x that gave 2V3 as well, This theorem holds only for when we have a quadrilateral with all its internal angles worth 90 degrees, a rectangle
after that I noticed several congruences of triangles but the one that will serve me is the one that says that the EFT triangle is congruent to the EHT triangle, because it will tell me that those angles described will be worth 45 degrees each
congruence by SSS
I connected a segment of the vertex T next to the square doing 90 degrees
after that I noticed an isosceles triangle 90,45,45 and calculated its sides, I found that they were worth V3 and then in the other right triangle I used Pythagoras and found that the other side that was missing was 3, and this way we discovered a triangle 90,60,30 and solved the problem
seems pretty cool
yep! thats correct
Yeah, how did you approach it? Did you do what I did as well
My approach was this: Get the area of the segment of the quarter circle with radius=8 and subtract the area of segment of the quarter circle with radius=4 from it. Next, get the area of the segment of the quarter circle with radius=12, and subtract the area of the quarter circle with radius = 8 from it. Finally, add the 2 areas we've got, i.e 22.84 unit^2 + 13.69 unit^2. Hence, the shaded area = 36.53 unit^2.

im taking geometry in 7th grade, is that normal?
Yeah, it was a fun problem
do you know the sum of angles inside a triangle?
yes 180
ye
x is 90
yep
what are the others lol
this forms a triangle in of itself
you know x is 90
and you also know that another angle is 70
and that x + y + 70 = 180
so what would y be?
yes and yes
in my school thats not even possible
lol
my county allows u to go 2 years ahead in math after 6th grade and I am taking extra summer school to get another yr ahead
what country might that be lol
if ur wondering why im doing this, its because im indian this is very normal
this is america
then u must be a doctor or IT employee eh?
yeah no i get it im doing the entire honors geometry course right now before school even starts so i can stay ahead
nah nah im a hs
ok
good luck having headaces
yeah :/ this sucks ass im literally sitting here right now doing points of concurrency
very simple, I learnt this in kindergarden
aint no way
did u forget, im indian
damn im not that indian
I would have been slapped my parents and grandparents if I refused
and my great grandparents would have rised from the grave
jesus
Can someone explain this please
Cos of an angle is always equal to the adjascent side/hypotenuse..
Therefore cos 60°=Adjascent side to the angle 60°(1 unit)/Hypotenuse(2 units)
Which is equal to ½
P, Q, R and S lie on the circle O ( r ) and are the points of tangency of O 3 ( r 2 ), O 4 ( r 2 ), O 5 ( r 3 ) and O 6 ( r 3 ), as shown.
O 1 ( r 1 ) and O 2 ( r 1 ) are tangent to each other and are tangent to O 3 ( r 2 ), O 4 ( r2 ), O 5 ( r 3 ) and O 6 ( r 3 ), as shown.
Find r 1 as a function of l and L .
oh wow im doing geometry over the summer to get ahead too lol
i guess it is a pretty common idea
Hey so I know that you have the standard trig functions and then hyperbolic trig functions (represented by slapping an h to the end of normal trig functions). Are there any other trig functions that follow the naming convention of slightly modifying the spelling of the base trig ratios?
this question is the hardest question of this year's hong kong diploma of secondary education exam, involving coordinate geometry and trigonometry
the marking scheme is still classified and therefore hk students cannot get them
how will you answer this question if you were the students sitting in that exam?
math
Hereâs my first impressions:
(a) Straightforward, observe that Q is the midpoint of PR
(b) (i) Angle between two lines formula
(b) (ii) Straightforward
(b) (iii) Angle bisector theorem then find the incentre. Then, do shoelace formula.
Maybe thereâs a better way, but thatâs my first thoughts
Ok I just did it, turns out that O, Q, G, I, H are collinear
Heights are the same because Q is a midpoint, so 11/12 (compare horizontal distance)
I hate this class
it's my favourite class đ
could someone help me doe this
m<GME intercepts the big arc GE which is 164 + 62 = 226. Since m<GME is an inscribed angle, it means that it is half the angle it intercepts. 226 / 2 = 113
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Oops, sorry about that
HOW DO I DO 17 AND 20
@sleek inlet DO YOU STILL NEED HELP WITH THESE
AND WHY ARE YOU YELLING
IN ANY CASE, THE SOLID IN #17 IS A BOX WITH A PYRAMID STUCK ON TOP OF IT, WHILE THE ONE IN #20 IS A BOX FROM WHICH THE PYRAMID HAS BEEN CUT OUT!
IN THE SECOND CASE THE BASE OF THE PYRAMID IS A SQUARE, AND ITS APEX IS PRESUMED TO LIE ON THE BOTTOM FACE OF THE CUBE!
ive heard that the reason why you cant prove the pythagorean theorem with a lot of trigonometric stuff is because a lot of trigonometric formulas are based om the pythagorean identity (sin²x + cos²x = 1) which is based on the pythagorean theorem (-> cyclic proof)
but cant you avoid this by proving the pythagorean identity using eulers formula which you can prove with a derivative
or is the proof for the derivative of sin and cos also based on the pythagorean thworem which would make it cyclic again
?
like
sin²x + cos²x = (cosx +isinx)(cosx - isinx) = e^ix * e^-ix = 1
What if:
Define e^x using power series
Define sin and cos using e^ix
Then everything should be good
yeah this works. I did it a few years ago, it's interesting. you can define cos and sin as the real and imaginary parts of e^ix and prove that they describe trigonometry. weirdly, you can also define pi in terms of e as making Îą the first positive zero of cos. then you can prove that the radius of a circle is 4Îąr=2pi r which means Îą=pi/2. something like that I may have the exact details wrong
I actually started by defining $L(x) \defeq\int_0^x\frac{\dd t}{t}$, showing it's inverse $E(x)$ is exponential in nature, defining $e\defeq E(x)\implies E(x)=e^x$ and going from there.
nixxy nilpotent (raving lunatic)
etc. I did it because I thought it was weird that the Taylor series definitions for sin and cos would describe trigonometry, and i wanted to know why.
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How can this question have 2 answers
I found that x=30
But in the ms it's written 30 AND 210
So how come 210 is an answer???
This is the ms for the question
How is x=30 and x=210 ???
30° is a notable angle and you can see the 210° on a trigonometric circle
Btw, you also could have thought what angle that it sin divided by it cosine is equal to 1/sqrt3. You would find the exact same answer
Draw a line that tangent the 0°. The tangent of each angle will be where its extension touches. For example. Take the 210° and draw a straight line all the way to the right. Youâll see that it will pass right over the 30°, so its tangents are equal
because tangent has a period of pi, so it has the same value every 180 degrees
afaik tan of 210 and 30 degrees are equal?
30 degrees is the reference angle of 210 in the 3rd quadrant, right?
Basically you have tanx=tan(Ď/6) so x=kĎ+(Ď/6) with k being an integer but now you need to find k
It also gives you that x is between 0 and 360 or in other words 0 and 2Ď
With that in mind you have 0<=kĎ+(Ď/6)<=2Ď
If you keep going to solve for k you get -1/6<=k<=11/6
Now combining that with the fact that k is an integer the only options are k=0 and k=1 so you go to x=kĎ+(Ď/6) and replace k with 0 and 1 to find the 2 results
(ÎľĎx is tanx, ÎľĎθ is tan(any number) and θ is well, any number)
As a simpler answer you can say that tanx=tan(Ď/6) and keeping in mind that tanx=tan(x) or tanx(Ď+x)
The answer kinda depends on the material you've covered as well
yes, that's correct
Thx
Is there any derivation of the trig functions which doesn't require analysis to understand
i need help
Don't we all
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Hello all! I'm having trouble seeing why this construction works
Any help would be appreciated!
iâm confused on how to solve for the lowest part of the roof and idk if i did it right
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We know that the number of degrees of an n sided object is 180*(n-2)
But we also know that a circle has 360 degrees
And a circle has infinitely many sides
As n approaches infinity, [180(n-2)] approaches infinity, so how can a circle have 360 degrees?
Like this is a hectogon, a 100 sided object
It has 17640 degrees
isnt that a circle?
when we talk about 180(n-2), we are talking about the sum of the intern angles, that are formed by the vertices of a convex polygon. The 360° degrees in a circle corresponds to the central angle. they just have different natures
if you divide a circle in 4 identical parts, and take those lines you used to divide and put them all together, youâll be able to form a square
iâll try to illustrate
see those lines? the ones that forms 4 90° degree angles?
imagine theyâre 4 lines, not 2. theyâre all the exact same size. if you rearrange them, youâll have a perfect square
CD is an altitude, that's given
Since it's an altitude on a line, it cuts the 180 degrees in 2, so D (of triangle ADC) = D (of triangle BDC) = 180/2 = 90 degrees so DACD and ACBD are right triangles
We know that sinA=opposite/hypotenuse. The opposite of A is CD or in other words h while the hypotenuse of the triangle ADC is b so sinA=h/b
With the same logic for the triangle BDC sinB=h/a
Using that sinB=h/a you can get a(sinB)=h if you just multiply both sides by a and the same goes for sinA=h/b which, if multiplied by b gets b(sinA)=h
You have that both a(sinB) and b(sinA) are equal to h so a(sinB)=h=b(sinA) so a(sinB)=b(sinA)
For the last one you use what we just proven above [a(sinB)=b(sinA)] and you just devide both sides by a*b which gets
a(sinB)/ab=b(sinA)/ab
On the first part the a is simplified and on the second one b
so sinB/a=sinA/a