#geometry-and-trigonometry

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snow crystal
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But I will dm you

smoky jetty
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thats fine

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do u do olympiads?

snow crystal
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Right now I'm preparing for one, yeah

smoky jetty
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oohh

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national?

snow crystal
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I have like 3 months left

snow crystal
smoky jetty
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thats ncie

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try to join the math olympiad server linked in competition math channel

snow crystal
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Also that exercise got my kind of confused cuz back when I was doing geometry in my school we would solve such problems doing the exact same thing I did (without giving the approximate result but the actual number even if it wasn't rational)

pseudo viper
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lol i definetly had no chance at solving that

silk dove
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@snow crystal i thiiink i see the mistake?

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if there is

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kinda forgot trig rules but one sec

snow crystal
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huh

silk dove
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shouldn't this be tan(a) = 4/8?

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instead of sin?

snow crystal
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no, why

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I'm using law of sines

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for the triangle DEF

silk dove
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but consider this for any right triangle. if a = 30 deg, then that would mean AD = 8 which is not true

snow crystal
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wait I think I see the mistake

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triangle DEF is not inscribed in any circle

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So I cannot use law of sines like that

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that makes sense now

silk dove
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also

snow crystal
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so I get that tan alpha = 1/2

silk dove
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law of sine is kinda weird when not all of the sides are acute

snow crystal
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you mean angles

silk dove
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angles yeah my bad

snow crystal
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I mean in this case it doesn't make any difference

silk dove
snow crystal
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that hurts so bad

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and then you have to do all the calculations

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naaah 💀

silk dove
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ill try tio like approximate some the solution bc thas just what we do

silk dove
snow crystal
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cool

silk dove
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would love to show you my solution if you like reading messy, sloppy, bad-pencil, cumbled-paper, incoherent, non-standard writing

snow crystal
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I like challenges

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you can post it here

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yeah I did all the calculations and got ~ 1,25 as well

silk dove
snow crystal
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sure

smoky jetty
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thats nice of yall

smoky jetty
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i realized earlier than u could straight up go to SSS law of sine case to ease the calculation a bit

pseudo viper
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what's there to learn trig wise after learning the core trig functions & how to use them to find sides / angles + law of sine / cosine?

weary hound
snow crystal
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(for example)

smoky jetty
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yeah, or maybe if u have a trig book, dig into those lessons

pseudo viper
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trig book might be useful

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only rly learning trig rn for game dev stuff

smoky jetty
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ooh interesting

snow crystal
smoky jetty
tardy plover
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is that a homework question?

snow crystal
weary hound
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Avg homework question stereotype where you have to find how close Joe is to the lämp and stuffs

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Honestly I wish they could provide an example of how math is used irl

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But yeah that's why universities exist probably

tardy plover
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people use it to calculate the height of buildings by looking at the building's shadow

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no one does that, but that's what its used for apparently

vivid plinth
pseudo viper
pseudo viper
weary hound
pseudo viper
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i understand why it is the way it is
doesn't change the fact that it sets up a lot of students for failure

smoky jetty
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what grade are u in rn?

weary hound
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I'm here because I'm mostly bored

smoky jetty
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oh lol

cyan crow
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What are euclids postulates

grave pond
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That's something Google is good at answering.

fiery oriole
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is sin^2 x the same as (sin x)^2 or sin(x^2)?

snow crystal
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sin^2 x = (sinx)^2

velvet lark
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This question came up in my precalc course (not on a quiz or anything graded, but as a practice question), and im completely at a loss when it comes to solving it. can someone help?

smoky jetty
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the tan function gives u the ratio of opposite side and adjacent side. Now, it asks for the value of the ratio of secant function in the third quadrant. What do u know about the sides in the third quadrant?

topaz panther
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A frame in the shape of an equilateral triangle encloses three circular discs of radius length 5 cm so that the discs touch each other. Find:

a. the perimeter of the smallest frame which can enclose the discs
b. the area enclosed between the discs.

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I got the perimeter but I am completely lost on what to do for area

smoky jetty
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(for b) If the area asks for this area, then I think u can find the area of the equilateral triangle such that adding the area of those sectors with degree measure of 60 each, and that area x is equal to the area of the scaled-down triangle

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u could refer to the radii as lengths of the triangle

topaz panther
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thank youu

velvet lark
warm warren
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i think i found the mistake, the theorem says that the sin formula can be used for triangle which belongs to circle but the one you did that for(4/sin(a)=8) is wrong bc its half of it

snow crystal
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yeah I already found that yesterday

warm warren
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ooh then sorry i just saw it

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isn't tho? i think its a simple question which requires trained eye to these kind of problems so you can pave your way and draw extra lines

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ooh i love these questions, my favourite one is this

smoky jetty
velvet lark
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ok thank you!

sharp lodge
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<@&286206848099549185>

snow crystal
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what have you tried

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@sharp lodge

novel scaffold
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if (sinx)^n = sin^n(x) then why isn't (sinx)^-n = sin^-n(x)

snow crystal
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because (sinx)^-n = (1/sinx)^n

novel scaffold
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but why

snow crystal
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because if you raise a number to a negative power you get its reciprocal

novel scaffold
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hmm

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but then technically (sinx)^-n = sin^-n(x) is correct too

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you could just evaluate sinx first and then reciprocal

snow crystal
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you can't break it into pieces like that

novel scaffold
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what

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then isn't sin^n(x) pieces too?

snow crystal
somber coyoteBOT
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iammax420

novel scaffold
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yes

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why isn't (sinx)^-n equal to that

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just like (sinx)² = sin²x

snow crystal
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but sin^-n (x) means the same as 1/sin^n (x)

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they may look different but it's exactly the same thing

novel scaffold
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someone said u can't write it like that

snow crystal
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welp they were wrong

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who told you that

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a teacher?

novel scaffold
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a friend

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he asked teacher, teacher said it's some binomial stuff

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idk

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welp thanks

snow crystal
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take arcsin for example

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this is the inverse function to y = sin x

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and arcsin is basically sin^-1 x

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which is (sin x)^-1

novel scaffold
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hm yeah

novel scaffold
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that's 1/sinx

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which is different than arcsin

snow crystal
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yep

novel scaffold
snow crystal
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oh wait lol

novel scaffold
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so how is (sinx)^-1 = sin^-1x

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i mixed up things

snow crystal
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turns out 1/sin x=csc x

novel scaffold
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eeee

snow crystal
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ok my bad apparently

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so turns out sin^-1(x) is not equal to (sin x)^-1

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interesting

novel scaffold
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yes

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it's not

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and that's what i asked, why is it not

snow crystal
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ohhh wait that makes sense

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so basically sinx=b/a

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(sinx)^-1 = 1/sinx = a/b

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which is csc x

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same thing with other trig functions

novel scaffold
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yeah ik that

novel scaffold
snow crystal
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ok I think I know now

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sin^-1 x is the inverse of the result of sin x

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whereas (sin x)^-1 is the inverse of sinx

novel scaffold
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u said opposite

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(sinx)^-1 is inverse of result of sinx which is basically 1/sinx

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that's all sorted out

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what I'm asking is

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why isn't (sinx)^-n = sin^-n(x) just like (sinx)^n = sin^n(x)

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(sinx)² = sin²x but this doesn't work when u replace 2 with -2

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why is that

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what's the reason

snow crystal
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hmm

royal scarab
# novel scaffold what's the reason

actually the formula has a condition that says n must be a Natural Number. That's why (sin x)^n = sin^n(x) is only applicable for n = 1, 2, 3, 4.........

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Hope it helped your doubt

snow crystal
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but why is that

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where does that come from

royal scarab
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Idk the exact reason of this rule. But (sinx)^-2 is just simply written (cosec x)^2 or cosec^2(x) and not sin^-2(x)

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the reciprocal of sine function has a separate denotion "cosec". That's why we don't need to write sin^-2(x) separately

snow crystal
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that has to do something with arcsin x

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probably

royal scarab
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actually it has nothing to do with arcsin x or sin inverse. cosec and sin are inter-related but arcsin is not related like that

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arcsin is the inverse of the sine function. The -1 on sin in arcsin or sin inverse denotes the inverse the function. For example f^-1(x) is the inverse of f(x) not reciprocal

snow crystal
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ok but it is related to the question that they asked

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because sin^-1 x = arcsin x

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and that got him confused

royal scarab
snow crystal
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tbf I haven't even studied this "inverse trig functions" thing so I shouldn't have said anything lol

snow crystal
royal scarab
royal scarab
snow crystal
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I will

novel scaffold
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arcsin is fine

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its inverse of sin

novel scaffold
novel scaffold
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whats the reason that (sinx)² = sin²x is only valid for natural numbers

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why cant u do the same with negative integers

royal scarab
novel scaffold
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eeee

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im doing that already from 2 years

snow crystal
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I will let you guys know as soon as I find out

novel scaffold
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okie

snow crystal
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Funny thing is that there is plenty of "honorable people" or sum other graduates on this server that can easily answer this question but for whatever reason they won't

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That would save us some time

novel scaffold
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lel

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maybe no one saw it

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i cant find anything online either

snow crystal
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Neither can I

silk dove
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this is the first time im hearing that

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actually kinda makes sense cause of sin^-1(x)

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if i had to guess i would say that its just a convention

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damn not even desmos lets me try

wind coral
pseudo nebula
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Notation for sin makes no sense

silk dove
pseudo nebula
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the notation is just weird

vivid plinth
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I always just read sin²x as (sin x)²

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I don't encounter cases with the notation sin^a(x) other than sin²(x) often, so I never rly thought abt it

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In the case of $\sin^{-1}(x)$ I just naturally assume arcsin

somber coyoteBOT
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utopian_vision

south helm
# novel scaffold why isn't (sinx)^-n = sin^-n(x) just like (sinx)^n = sin^n(x)

There is no reason. This is a question of notation, not on the properties of the sine function. You can do this, and nobody is going to scold you, as long as it is clear from context what you mean. The problem with this method of notation is that sin^(-1)(x) is already used for something: arcsin, the inverse function. And, in general, f^(-1)(x) is usually used for the inverse function, while f(x)^(-1) is the reciprocal. But arcsin(x) is already an alternate notation, so you are free to use sin^(-1)(x) as notation for 1/sin(x) all you want, as long as it is clear to the reader that is the notation you are going with. But, at the end of the day, you can avoid all of this by simply using sin(x)^a. That is absolutely unambiguous. Yes, it means you have to use parentheses, because sin x^a is also ambiguous (it could be sin(x^a) or sin(x)^a), but it avoids all of these issues, nonetheless.

south helm
royal scarab
novel scaffold
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makes sense

novel scaffold
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cuz you dont usually do (sinx)^-n = sin^-n(x)

royal scarab
deft drum
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If we have 3 position vector points on the plane, we can find two displacement vectors. Then we find normal vector $\vec N$, and to find equation of plane $\vec N \cdot (\vec r - \vec r_1) =0$ is done. I have problem understanding why we have to find the normal vector to plane.

somber coyoteBOT
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tbhaxor

deft drum
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If we have two vectors $\vec S_1$ and $\vec S_2$ we can consider them as basis vector and span the whole plane. Why do we need normal vector, this part is bugging me.

somber coyoteBOT
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tbhaxor

deft drum
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What I think is that, its related to how the plane lies in the space. In 2D we describe line by two points specficially touching the x and y axis. Similarity here in 3D, when we have plane there are infinite ways of its orientianation which also changes with perpendicular vector (aka normal vector).

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If this is wrong, please correct me

south helm
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The long answer is as follows: We desire that $\vec{N}\cdot \vec{r}=\vec{N}\cdot \vec{r}_1$. Thus, a particular solution for $\vec{r}$ is going to be $\vec{r}=\vec{r}_1$, and the rest can be obtained from a linear combination of vectors in the kernel of the linear transformation $\vfunc{f}{\bR^3}{\bR}{\vec{x}}{\vec{N}\cdot\vec{x}}$. That is, vectors orthogonal to $\vec{N}$. Since we defined $\vec{N}$ as being orthogonal to the $\vec{S}$ vectors, then this equation describes exactly the plane spanned by the $\vec{S}$ vectors, which passes through $\vec{r}_1$.

somber coyoteBOT
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st.jamie.

upper karma
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can someone help me with these

grizzled breach
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Oh wait. It is asking for angles haha.

upper karma
grizzled breach
# upper karma yea i think sso

Do you see that in 7, segment LM and segment MN, both are congruent and related and both have the M? So using that, then we can also say that the answer for 7 is then : angle LMN is congruent to angle NML.

grizzled breach
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Do you see it?

upper karma
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wait so for 8 will it be like

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NPO is congruent to OPN?

grizzled breach
# upper karma NPO is congruent to OPN?

I wouldn't say you are wrong, but I don't think they are asking for the angle (you are giving angles as answer). The are givving you the angles for you to give them the segments (the inverse of number 7)

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Give them the segment of line that are congruent. The connecting point is P which I think you notice already.

upper karma
grizzled breach
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What is the opposite segment of the angle PNO?

grizzled breach
# upper karma ONP?

ONP is an angle, not a segment (segment are described by 2 points, angles are described by 3 points)

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What is the opposite segment of the angle PNO?

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What is the opposite segment of the angle PON?

grizzled breach
# upper karma PON?

PON is an angle. I am not askin for the angle but for the segment of line opposite to the angle PON.

upper karma
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wait I don't understand

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I'm very bad at this topic

grizzled breach
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What you dont understand?

upper karma
grizzled breach
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Ok, in the picture, if you see ccarefully, look at the angle MNL. What is the opposite segment of line of that angle?

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The answer is LM

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Or ML.

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LM is a segment of line.

upper karma
grizzled breach
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Yes.

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PO also has to letters only which makes it a segment of line.

upper karma
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ahhh

grizzled breach
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You have to be careful and be very strict with the definitions.

upper karma
grizzled breach
grizzled breach
upper karma
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oh

grizzled breach
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So the answer would be...

upper karma
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PO is congruent to PN

grizzled breach
snow crystal
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what can you say about the sides lenghts

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I'm talking about 11

upper karma
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um

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it's 16:12

shadow plover
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In 11 look at the sides how do you go from 16 to 12

upper karma
snow crystal
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you have 8:4

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but you also have 16:12

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the ratio is not the same

upper karma
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oh so

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what do i do

snow crystal
upper karma
snow crystal
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so are the triangles similar?

upper karma
snow crystal
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there ya go

upper karma
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ohhh

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so

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for the answer

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i just write the ratios aren't the same, therefore the triangles aren't similar

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what about 12

snow crystal
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what can you say about 12

upper karma
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one triangle is smaller than the other

snow crystal
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what about the angles

upper karma
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they arent the same either

snow crystal
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hmm you sure?

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there is one particular angle

upper karma
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right angle?

snow crystal
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nope

upper karma
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ummm

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which angle

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idk which one it is

snow crystal
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what do you call these angles in english?

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I actually don't know

upper karma
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um wait lemmie check

shadow plover
upper karma
snow crystal
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ok

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so they're vertical angles

upper karma
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yeah

snow crystal
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and also the ratios of corresponding sides are the same

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10/24 = 15/36

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which means ...

upper karma
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there similar

snow crystal
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yep

upper karma
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ohhh

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thanks

snow crystal
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np

gaunt lotus
night idol
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How would I solve for x and y without using trig like without SOHCAHTOA

silent plank
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pythag

wanton shell
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@gaunt orbit

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ye dheko

shadow plover
gaunt orbit
smoky jetty
night idol
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That actually makes sense, THANK YOU

smoky jetty
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np!

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hardy night
smoky jetty
silent plank
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AA

smoky jetty
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but wouldnt it require to do the sohcahtoa thing?

silent plank
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no

smoky jetty
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how come

silent plank
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AA is sufficient to justify similarity

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vert angles + right angles

hardy night
hardy night
smoky jetty
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yeah that's surely a better way

tardy swift
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trig is hard

pseudo viper
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would cross product fall under geometry?

weary hound
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Perhaps but isn't that more of vectors

pseudo viper
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hm true

west lintel
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does anyone know where I can get a ti 84+ for the cheapest price possible or a ti inspire for the lowest price

upper karma
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how would i do these

gilded hatch
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Use for the tasks 14 and 15 the intercept theorem 🙂

upper karma
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all e of them

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3*

gilded hatch
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Hmm I see

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For 13 you can use the pythagorean theorem

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Do you know that?

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$a^2+b^2=c^2$

somber coyoteBOT
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gilgamesh5000

upper karma
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but idk what to subsitie for a , b and c

gilded hatch
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Solve the first equation after that the second...

upper karma
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so i do 15^2=h^2+9^

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and then i solve the other

gilded hatch
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ye

upper karma
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okay

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give me a min

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for the first one

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h=12

gilded hatch
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Yes

upper karma
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for the 2nd one

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do i solve for h or x?

gilded hatch
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You have the value for h 😁 it's 12

upper karma
gilded hatch
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You can only solve for x😁

upper karma
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that makes more sense

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so that's the answer for 13?

gilded hatch
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$20^2 = 12^2 + x^2$ solve it

somber coyoteBOT
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gilgamesh5000

upper karma
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okay

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x=16

gilded hatch
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Nah

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Wrong

upper karma
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how

gilded hatch
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$20^2 = 12^2 + x^2 \mid -12^2 \ 20^2 - 12^ 2 = x^2 \
400 - 144 = x^2$

somber coyoteBOT
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gilgamesh5000

gilded hatch
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Now you can calculate

upper karma
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and the 256=x^2, so u square root 256 to remove the ^2 from the x

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and you get 16

gilded hatch
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Oh yes

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My bad😅

upper karma
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it's okay lol

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so that's my final answer right?

gilded hatch
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Yes

upper karma
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ahhh

gilded hatch
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x=16 is your final answer

upper karma
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yes

upper karma
gilded hatch
upper karma
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smoky jetty
lapis torrent
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Someone please suggest me some good geometry problems.

smoky jetty
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look up AOPs problems

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sharp lodge
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<@&286206848099549185>

last quiver
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you can use thales theorem for part a

sharp lodge
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thalas..?

languid pawn
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If three points A, B, and C lie on the circumference of a circle, whereby the line AC is the diameter of the circle, then the angle ∠ABC is a right angle (90°).

sharp lodge
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oh

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what abt part b?

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<@&286206848099549185>

magic otter
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take coordinates (rcosQ , rsinQ).

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Parametric coordinates , got it ? or i tell ?

sharp lodge
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i dont knw all that yet

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im in highschool..

last quiver
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it can be done with Pythagoras theorem as well

sharp lodge
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how

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we only knw one side

last quiver
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Considering O as origin , can you figure out the angle BOC ?

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BC = 3cm

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Radius = 3cm

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OB = 3cm

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What triangle is this ?

sharp lodge
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NOO its not right angled

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idk whut it is

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this is why i hate math

last quiver
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Ahh sorry I didn't specify properly, what triangle is BOC

sharp lodge
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but isnt the question asking for abc..?

cerulean robin
# sharp lodge <@&286206848099549185>

I know you are asking for help, but don't spam @ Helpers (sorry helpers discord automatically joined the mention).
Spam in this server is usually defined as more than once per 15 minutes, refer to #info - rules

last quiver
sharp lodge
cerulean robin
sharp lodge
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@last quiver i dont get u...

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why would we need boc for the asnwer?

magic otter
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it can be done using straight lines

sharp lodge
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this is so confusing 😭

last quiver
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We need to figure out the coordinates of point C and in order to do that first we try to figure out that the triangle BOC is equilateral triangle (and argue that the x coordinate of C lies midway on x-axis) and then apply Pythagoras theorem to figure out the y-coordinate of point C

last quiver
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Although I'm not sure if there's a shorter (and easier) way to do this.

last quiver
# sharp lodge ohh

So can you figure out what (type of) triangle BOC is (given that BC = BO = OC = 3cm) ?

sharp lodge
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but the problem is we dont knw what type of triangle it is

magic otter
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sending solution in 5 min . please wait .

last quiver
sharp lodge
last quiver
sharp lodge
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theey only gave bc

last quiver
sharp lodge
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OHH

last quiver
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So can you now figure out what's the x-coordinate of point C ?

sharp lodge
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is it 1.5?

last quiver
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Yes

sharp lodge
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so AB= 6 and bc = 3

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we can use phytogoras theroem ..?

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oh nvm we dont need to find AC

sharp lodge
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<@&286206848099549185>

lusty acorn
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sure

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1230 A and B are 2.5 km closer compared to midday

lapis torrent
cerulean robin
lapis torrent
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Bro the bot is cracked

runic crag
runic crag
sharp lodge
sharp lodge
runic crag
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Oh. Just convert m/s to km/h and calculate both of their distances, then find the distance between them.

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Since they've been moving from 12:00 to 12:30, time elapsed is 1/2 hour.

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If you've still got doubts, ping me.

sharp lodge
runic crag
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Have you got doubts?

sharp lodge
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how to convert into km/h ....i forgot..

runic crag
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,tex $\frac{xm}{1s}=\frac{\frac{x}{1000}km}{\frac{1}{3600}h}=3.6\cdot\frac{xkm}{1h}$

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@sharp lodge

sharp lodge
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okayy

somber coyoteBOT
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rageiplier

marsh pagoda
upper karma
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Gang what do l have to do here to find the diameter

silent plank
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<@&268886789983436800>

wind coral
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<@&268886789983436800>

grave pond
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Oh, they spammed in multiple channels and then left.

smoky jetty
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a fun geometry problem I found online

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solved it in 15 mins, actually easier than I expected. I bet yall could get it faster

smoky jetty
foggy parcel
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goin to grab some papers

carmine crag
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GH is of 1 unit

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draw a line parallel to gh from b it will be of same length

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consider the point where the line from b cuts GC E

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wait whats the length of GC and HB

flat kelp
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Wait what

floral shale
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How much you wanna bet it's just 48

foggy parcel
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nah basically that's the one lol

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@smoky jetty

rustic yew
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how do u do this?

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im so confused

fluid stream
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What do you know about the angles of a parallelogram

rustic yew
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umm opposite angles are congruent

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so angle a = angle c

fluid stream
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Ok

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Anything else?

rustic yew
fluid stream
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Ok good

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Now you have two equations and two variables

rustic yew
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ye

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so 100 + 13x = 180 right @fluid stream

fluid stream
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Yes that's what you get from one, now you can solve for x

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And then you can write the other one and solve for y

keen gorge
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confused

smoky jetty
timber cargo
upper karma
clear remnant
upper karma
sturdy dawn
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hi can anyone tell whats an peremittre triangle??

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plz pretty urgent

errant lake
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cant u just Google it

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I Need help with this problem

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this is what I’ve done so far

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And btw there’s no trig involved cuz the lesson is geometrical transformations like rotation translation dilation and stuff like that

grave pond
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I don't see how you can hope to end up with degrees without doing some trig along the way.

upper karma
spring oxide
smoky jetty
timber cargo
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Quite early into it

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but I'll redo it

smoky jetty
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ight gl!

upper karma
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how do i do this? Also option D is AAS

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is the answer B?

dull light
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no

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uh look at the side ratio

upper karma
dull light
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then why is it AA

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you only have one pair of equal angles

upper karma
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ahhh

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wait what is it then

dull light
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SAS

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two pairs of side ratios

upper karma
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okay that makes more sense

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how do i do this

smoky jetty
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what do u know about similar figures' properties?

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specifically, what is the relationship between fig 1's angles and sides to fig 2's?

upper karma
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like all corresponding angles

smoky jetty
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how about the sides?

upper karma
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uhhh

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yea idk

smoky jetty
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the corresponding sides are proportional

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u can think of it like this, the figures are like the images u scale up or down in MS Word

upper karma
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so i make an equation

smoky jetty
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yeah

upper karma
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ahh okay

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idk how to make the equation

smoky jetty
upper karma
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yea ik that

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OH WAIT

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wait nvm the equaton i made doesnt make sense

smoky jetty
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now u could set ratios that would make them in proportion

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and frmo the given figure, u can have more than one approach, as long as they are in proportion

upper karma
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so like x=16, 38=19 right?

smoky jetty
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clearly, 38 is not 19 isnt it?

upper karma
smoky jetty
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right, so what ratios of corresponding sides do u think could u set in proportion?

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meaning the value of their ratios would give the same answer/quotient

smoky jetty
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i.e what sides from the larger figure is comparable to the smaller figure?

upper karma
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x and 16?

smoky jetty
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there

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and what other sides are comparable

upper karma
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38 and 19

smoky jetty
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right

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and a way we could compare things is by setting a ratio

smoky jetty
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and when ratios are in proportion, it means that the two set of things that we compare are equal. Simply an equation of ratios

upper karma
smoky jetty
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ohh, lmao i didnt expect that

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I'm gonna study my mistakes tho

smoky jetty
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but i'd suggest at least reading more about it on the internet or wherever u could, coz u seem to be confused on similar triangles

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yeah that'd help surely

upper karma
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i got all the similar triangle questions wrong

smoky jetty
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u can look up khan academy and browse videos all about similar triangles, they're free online

smoky jetty
upper karma
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so there is no class

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just work

smoky jetty
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oh

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but the hw she gave us was so easy

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and this assinment was sm diff than the hw's she gave

smoky jetty
smoky jetty
upper karma
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option D is ASA

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i think the answer is C

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so it's c?

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and this is C

elfin osprey
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can anyone help me with a two column proof problem?

trail trellis
elfin osprey
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what should i do lmao theyre so hard

trail trellis
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I learned in a different language so I don't know but

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They're hard right lol

elfin osprey
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yeah

trail trellis
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Did you learn theorems for it

elfin osprey
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a few but not enough for me to do this problem correctly

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i'd know how to put the theorems down once i heard them but i dont know what to look for yk?

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idk the first step

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and i dont know theorems well enough to do it in reverse

trail trellis
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Ohh ok

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Do you know the SAS theorem thing

elfin osprey
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yeah side angle side, you can tell if two triangles are congruent if they share a side, an angle, and another side. right?

trail trellis
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Yes

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I think you would use these so first say that Angle RYM and Angle TYN are vertical angles i guess

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And Angle MYT and RYN are vertical too

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I would start from that

elfin osprey
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ok let me write that down

trail trellis
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Oh wait sry im wrong i think

elfin osprey
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yeah im trying to figure this out it doenst sound right lol

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i need to prove that rym and ryn are congruent

trail trellis
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yeah

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Huhhh you could prove that Triangle MYT and Triangle NYT are congruent

elfin osprey
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they share a side and two angles

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ASA

trail trellis
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yes

elfin osprey
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since theyre congruenbt

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we know that lines ny and my are congruent

trail trellis
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YES

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that would be one side

elfin osprey
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and then triangle rny and rmy share TWO SIDES because ry!

trail trellis
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yes

elfin osprey
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lemme write this down un momento

trail trellis
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one angle

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okay

elfin osprey
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wait i think thats it

trail trellis
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Angle MYT plus Angle RYM would be 180 degrees right

trail trellis
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rlly

elfin osprey
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i think thats all i needed to prove

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i need to prove rym and ryn are congruent

trail trellis
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Oh?

elfin osprey
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they share two sides

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oh wait i need to prove the angle

trail trellis
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But it says Triangle not angle

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yea

elfin osprey
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yeah i meant triangle

trail trellis
elfin osprey
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yeah it would be 180

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so we can FIND THE ANGLE

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ok so myt plus rym equals 180

peak siren
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da fuq is an angle

elfin osprey
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which means

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angle rym and ryn are congruent

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and thats

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two sides and an angle?

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my=ny, ry, and rym/ryn

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SAS?

trail trellis
elfin osprey
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we got it

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two column proof done

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tysm

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only 3 more! :))

trail trellis
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Yay

elfin osprey
trail trellis
trail trellis
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We already have one side done tho

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IP and TP

elfin osprey
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and if bmi and kmt are congruent,

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then thats

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ok so ipk and tpb share ip and tp

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tpb contains tp

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and ipk contains ip

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and theyre congruent

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so thats a side

trail trellis
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Wait Angle B and Angle K is

elfin osprey
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oh yeah cuz those are congruenbt

trail trellis
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Yeah !

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You would have to find the theorems tho lol

elfin osprey
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i can figure those out with google those arent the issue lol

trail trellis
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Oh okok lol

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We can't do ASS so we would need one more angle

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so that we could do AAS

elfin osprey
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side pk and bt are congruent

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right

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couldnt it be sas? side 1: ip and tp, angle b and k and side pk and bt

trail trellis
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Why pk and bt?

elfin osprey
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bmi and kmt are congruent

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and ip and pt are

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so adding the same length to the same lenght

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wqait

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i said the wrong thing

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pk and bP

trail trellis
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Yes that would be right, but i think that would be ASS

elfin osprey
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i dont get the difference lol? if you have two sides and an angle cant that just be sas? like what determines that

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anyway

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heres the next one

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yo.

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this is easy

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wait

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triangle must add up to 180

trail trellis
trail trellis
elfin osprey
trail trellis
elfin osprey
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if one side is 60

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then they all do

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because its isosceles

trail trellis
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oh yeah

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this one would might be tricky to find the theorems tho

elfin osprey
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that should be fine

trail trellis
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ok!

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this is geometry right

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btw

elfin osprey
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yeah

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geometry proofs

trail trellis
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am i allowed to ask what grade u do geometry

elfin osprey
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yeah so normally it would be 10th or 11th at my school, but im in a faster and higher course so for me im taking it my freshman year, but for most else they take it 10th or 11th

trail trellis
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wow

elfin osprey
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a lot of people will be doing algebra in freshman yeaer

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while i did that this past year

trail trellis
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so u in 9th?

elfin osprey
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yeah

trail trellis
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ME TOO

elfin osprey
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YO

trail trellis
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but im in algebra2 lol

elfin osprey
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yeah im taking that 10th lol

trail trellis
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lol

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everybody in my grade is in geometry or algebra1 lol

elfin osprey
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makes sense lmao

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everyone in my grade is either algebra which i took last year or algebra 2 which i take next year

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cuz im doing honors geometry freshman year

trail trellis
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lol

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ohhh

elfin osprey
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in the middle

trail trellis
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nicee

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im lonely tho lol

elfin osprey
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wdym

trail trellis
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cuz im the only one in algebra2 in my grade

elfin osprey
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the only one

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like its

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you and a teacher

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thats it

trail trellis
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and the older people

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but all boys

elfin osprey
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oh no thaat must suck

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in my school

trail trellis
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YES

elfin osprey
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the good seventh graders

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take algebra t/a with the older kids

trail trellis
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ohhh

elfin osprey
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and move onot honors geometry 8th

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and then

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algebra 2 ninth

trail trellis
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thats nice

elfin osprey
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but i did algebra t/a eight grade, which means i go to geometry, not algebra two. so basicallty the seventh graders who were in my class this year are a year ahead of all of us

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and two years ahead than the normal math people

trail trellis
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ohhhh

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good system

elfin osprey
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yeah im rlly scared tho. only because of these damn proofs theyre so hard

trail trellis
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IKR PROOFS ARE SO HARD

elfin osprey
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YEAH

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ok so theres only a few mroe quesitons i think

trail trellis
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okkk

elfin osprey
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wait this is easy too

trail trellis
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lol

elfin osprey
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it divides x into two equal segments

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and its equilateral

trail trellis
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yeah

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its difficult when u have to use the theorems tho haha

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Especially in tests

elfin osprey
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xjk and xjk triangles and angles are congrent

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lamo

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jesus

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wait

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xjk

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and

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xjf

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there

trail trellis
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lol

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Yes then KJ and JF is

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congrent

elfin osprey
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lmao

trail trellis
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so J is the midpoint?

elfin osprey
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yep

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all done

trail trellis
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yay

elfin osprey
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let me see if i have more tho

trail trellis
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okkkk

elfin osprey
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idt i have more proofs but i def got more work

trail trellis
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okk

elfin osprey
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heres the thing my tutor

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assigned me those proofs

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and then gave me some other pdf but he never said what to do in it

elfin osprey
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lemme text him

trail trellis
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okk

elfin osprey
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but also

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tysm for helping me so much

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like rlly

trail trellis
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Np!

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Any time

atomic osprey
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If I have a circle lying on a larger sphere say on the southern hemisphere and I know that the circle has circumference 10, how can I figure out the distance from the south pole to a point on the circle? From the circumference I can find that the radius of the circle is 5/pi, but I think I would also need something else to find the distance.

lilac cave
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Hello

timber cargo
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I found the equations for the quater circles and integrated with respect to each of the functions and bounds

errant lake
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u can use 30,60,90 triangles to solve this problem by rotating the figure 90 degrees counter clockwise

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which is what I partially did before u said what I was doing what hopeless

errant lake
upper glen
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my solution

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I'll use Google Translate to explain but I don't know if it will translate correctly

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first I used marlen's theorem to find the other segment that also contains 2V3, such a theorem says that the sum of the squares of these segments generated by the opposite vertices are equal, in this case for example I said that V6 for the square plus 3V2 for the square was equal to 2V3 for the square plus x for the square such x that gave 2V3 as well, This theorem holds only for when we have a quadrilateral with all its internal angles worth 90 degrees, a rectangle

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after that I noticed several congruences of triangles but the one that will serve me is the one that says that the EFT triangle is congruent to the EHT triangle, because it will tell me that those angles described will be worth 45 degrees each

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congruence by SSS

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I connected a segment of the vertex T next to the square doing 90 degrees

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after that I noticed an isosceles triangle 90,45,45 and calculated its sides, I found that they were worth V3 and then in the other right triangle I used Pythagoras and found that the other side that was missing was 3, and this way we discovered a triangle 90,60,30 and solved the problem

balmy dragon
smoky jetty
smoky jetty
indigo escarp
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He’ll

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Hello

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I need help pls

timber cargo
smoky jetty
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My approach was this: Get the area of the segment of the quarter circle with radius=8 and subtract the area of segment of the quarter circle with radius=4 from it. Next, get the area of the segment of the quarter circle with radius=12, and subtract the area of the quarter circle with radius = 8 from it. Finally, add the 2 areas we've got, i.e 22.84 unit^2 + 13.69 unit^2. Hence, the shaded area = 36.53 unit^2.

frozen ocean
rustic yew
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how do u do this?

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somebody halp

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is it 120?

rustic yew
hoary dove
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hi i need hel

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help

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like asap

onyx basin
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do you know the sum of angles inside a triangle?

hoary dove
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yes 180

onyx basin
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ye

hoary dove
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x is 90

onyx basin
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yep

hoary dove
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what are the others lol

onyx basin
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this forms a triangle in of itself

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you know x is 90

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and you also know that another angle is 70

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and that x + y + 70 = 180

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so what would y be?

hoary dove
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so why is 20

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and z is 20?

onyx basin
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yes and yes

hoary dove
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so y is 20

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pog thanks

elfin osprey
rustic yew
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my county allows u to go 2 years ahead in math after 6th grade and I am taking extra summer school to get another yr ahead

elfin osprey
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what country might that be lol

rustic yew
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if ur wondering why im doing this, its because im indian this is very normal

elfin osprey
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i was just abt to say

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i am too

rustic yew
rustic yew
elfin osprey
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yeah no i get it im doing the entire honors geometry course right now before school even starts so i can stay ahead

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nah nah im a hs

rustic yew
elfin osprey
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yeah :/ this sucks ass im literally sitting here right now doing points of concurrency

rustic yew
elfin osprey
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aint no way

rustic yew
elfin osprey
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damn im not that indian

rustic yew
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I would have been slapped my parents and grandparents if I refused

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and my great grandparents would have rised from the grave

elfin osprey
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jesus

tribal rover
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Can someone explain this please

upper karma
ember stratus
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P, Q, R and S lie on the circle O ( r ) and are the points of tangency of O 3 ( r 2 ), O 4 ( r 2 ), O 5 ( r 3 ) and O 6 ( r 3 ), as shown.
O 1 ( r 1 ) and O 2 ( r 1 ) are tangent to each other and are tangent to O 3 ( r 2 ), O 4 ( r2 ), O 5 ( r 3 ) and O 6 ( r 3 ), as shown.
Find r 1 as a function of l and L .

upper karma
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oh wow im doing geometry over the summer to get ahead too lol

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i guess it is a pretty common idea

median vapor
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Hey so I know that you have the standard trig functions and then hyperbolic trig functions (represented by slapping an h to the end of normal trig functions). Are there any other trig functions that follow the naming convention of slightly modifying the spelling of the base trig ratios?

upper karma
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this question is the hardest question of this year's hong kong diploma of secondary education exam, involving coordinate geometry and trigonometry

the marking scheme is still classified and therefore hk students cannot get them

how will you answer this question if you were the students sitting in that exam?

languid olive
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math

exotic yarrow
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Maybe there’s a better way, but that’s my first thoughts

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Ok I just did it, turns out that O, Q, G, I, H are collinear

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Heights are the same because Q is a midpoint, so 11/12 (compare horizontal distance)

upper karma
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I hate this class

frozen ocean
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it's my favourite class 💜

raw cobalt
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could someone help me doe this

upper karma
lime crownBOT
upper karma
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Oops, sorry about that

tame dove
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any one got

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a algebra 2 cheat sheet

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for a final

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aka 2nd semester

sleek inlet
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HOW DO I DO 17 AND 20

dark sparrow
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@sleek inlet DO YOU STILL NEED HELP WITH THESE

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AND WHY ARE YOU YELLING

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IN ANY CASE, THE SOLID IN #17 IS A BOX WITH A PYRAMID STUCK ON TOP OF IT, WHILE THE ONE IN #20 IS A BOX FROM WHICH THE PYRAMID HAS BEEN CUT OUT!

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IN THE SECOND CASE THE BASE OF THE PYRAMID IS A SQUARE, AND ITS APEX IS PRESUMED TO LIE ON THE BOTTOM FACE OF THE CUBE!

thin locust
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ive heard that the reason why you cant prove the pythagorean theorem with a lot of trigonometric stuff is because a lot of trigonometric formulas are based om the pythagorean identity (sin²x + cos²x = 1) which is based on the pythagorean theorem (-> cyclic proof)

but cant you avoid this by proving the pythagorean identity using eulers formula which you can prove with a derivative

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or is the proof for the derivative of sin and cos also based on the pythagorean thworem which would make it cyclic again

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?

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like
sin²x + cos²x = (cosx +isinx)(cosx - isinx) = e^ix * e^-ix = 1

nocturne remnant
#

What if:
Define e^x using power series
Define sin and cos using e^ix
Then everything should be good

heavy crow
# nocturne remnant What if: Define e^x using power series Define sin and cos using e^ix Then every...

yeah this works. I did it a few years ago, it's interesting. you can define cos and sin as the real and imaginary parts of e^ix and prove that they describe trigonometry. weirdly, you can also define pi in terms of e as making Îą the first positive zero of cos. then you can prove that the radius of a circle is 4Îąr=2pi r which means Îą=pi/2. something like that I may have the exact details wrong

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I actually started by defining $L(x) \defeq\int_0^x\frac{\dd t}{t}$, showing it's inverse $E(x)$ is exponential in nature, defining $e\defeq E(x)\implies E(x)=e^x$ and going from there.

somber coyoteBOT
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nixxy nilpotent (raving lunatic)

heavy crow
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etc. I did it because I thought it was weird that the Taylor series definitions for sin and cos would describe trigonometry, and i wanted to know why.

warped bone
frozen ocean
lime crownBOT
# warped bone

As a helper, please do not give out answers that could be copied as a homework solution. Have the student work through the problem themselves and guide them along the way.

violet kiln
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How can this question have 2 answers

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I found that x=30

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But in the ms it's written 30 AND 210

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So how come 210 is an answer???

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This is the ms for the question
How is x=30 and x=210 ???

lost marlin
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30° is a notable angle and you can see the 210° on a trigonometric circle

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Btw, you also could have thought what angle that it sin divided by it cosine is equal to 1/sqrt3. You would find the exact same answer

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Draw a line that tangent the 0°. The tangent of each angle will be where its extension touches. For example. Take the 210° and draw a straight line all the way to the right. You’ll see that it will pass right over the 30°, so its tangents are equal

snow crystal
smoky jetty
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30 degrees is the reference angle of 210 in the 3rd quadrant, right?

warm bramble
# violet kiln So how come 210 is an answer???

Basically you have tanx=tan(π/6) so x=kπ+(π/6) with k being an integer but now you need to find k
It also gives you that x is between 0 and 360 or in other words 0 and 2π
With that in mind you have 0<=kπ+(π/6)<=2π
If you keep going to solve for k you get -1/6<=k<=11/6
Now combining that with the fact that k is an integer the only options are k=0 and k=1 so you go to x=kπ+(π/6) and replace k with 0 and 1 to find the 2 results
(εφx is tanx, εφθ is tan(any number) and θ is well, any number)

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As a simpler answer you can say that tanx=tan(π/6) and keeping in mind that tanx=tan(x) or tanx(π+x)

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The answer kinda depends on the material you've covered as well

warped bone
upper karma
lost marlin
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yes, that's correct

upper karma
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Thx

whole venture
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Is there any derivation of the trig functions which doesn't require analysis to understand

prisma wolf
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i need help

whole venture
#

Don't we all

frozen ocean
lime crownBOT
prisma wolf
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Anybody got me time with this??

sacred aspen
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no

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poopy

sullen isle
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Hello all! I'm having trouble seeing why this construction works

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Any help would be appreciated!

polar current
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i’m confused on how to solve for the lowest part of the roof and idk if i did it right

somber coyoteBOT
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jahobinthehomeless

sweet linden
somber coyoteBOT
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jahobinthehomeless

untold crypt
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We know that the number of degrees of an n sided object is 180*(n-2)

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But we also know that a circle has 360 degrees

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And a circle has infinitely many sides

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As n approaches infinity, [180(n-2)] approaches infinity, so how can a circle have 360 degrees?

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Like this is a hectogon, a 100 sided object

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It has 17640 degrees

somber dome
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isnt that a circle?

lost marlin
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if you divide a circle in 4 identical parts, and take those lines you used to divide and put them all together, you’ll be able to form a square

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i’ll try to illustrate

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see those lines? the ones that forms 4 90° degree angles?

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imagine they’re 4 lines, not 2. they’re all the exact same size. if you rearrange them, you’ll have a perfect square

warm bramble
# prisma wolf

CD is an altitude, that's given
Since it's an altitude on a line, it cuts the 180 degrees in 2, so D (of triangle ADC) = D (of triangle BDC) = 180/2 = 90 degrees so DACD and ACBD are right triangles
We know that sinA=opposite/hypotenuse. The opposite of A is CD or in other words h while the hypotenuse of the triangle ADC is b so sinA=h/b
With the same logic for the triangle BDC sinB=h/a
Using that sinB=h/a you can get a(sinB)=h if you just multiply both sides by a and the same goes for sinA=h/b which, if multiplied by b gets b(sinA)=h
You have that both a(sinB) and b(sinA) are equal to h so a(sinB)=h=b(sinA) so a(sinB)=b(sinA)
For the last one you use what we just proven above [a(sinB)=b(sinA)] and you just devide both sides by a*b which gets
a(sinB)/ab=b(sinA)/ab
On the first part the a is simplified and on the second one b
so sinB/a=sinA/a