study-discussion

[shell glade]

it was a pediatric ward

[long hedge]

lang in sophomore?

are you doing a phd in mit now

or smth

[shell glade]

no, i’m at a community college

[long hedge]

smart guy

save the money

[shell glade]

also my hs grades were not good

[devout sun]

ic

glad the math helped you

[long hedge]

but what are you studying in community college ? i thought community college only went up till DE or real analysis at best forget grad algebra

[shell glade]

i’m just going through the vector calc sequence

remember tao’s advice

https://terrytao.wordpress.com/career-advice/learn-and-relearn-your-field/

[long hedge]

who is tao

[lapis sluice]

terence tao is a rather famous mathematician

[devout sun]

?

[long hedge]

would they be better than me at math, if you had to estimate

[devout sun]

bro has been living under a rock

or is trolling

[lapis sluice]

i don't know who you are

if i had to guess i would guess he is better than you

but i don't have to guess so i won't

[long hedge]

if i lived under a rock i think i would be crushed by its weight

[limpid hamlet]

Trolling? Impossible

How else could you go outside in the daylight and remain unstoned?

Alternatively, you have no problem being stoned all day

[long hedge]

i live in scandinavia so actually there is no daylight

[limpid hamlet]

that's clever

[long hedge]

it's not clever, it's too cold

[limpid hamlet]

would you prefer to be stoned?

[long hedge]

yes but not illegally so i'd have to go the netherlands or something

[heavy needle]

The most I've seen at community college is MVC and LA fr

[long hedge]

how can someone get a 2.5 year math degree with mvc and la

my country has one of the weakest math educations in europe and on avg after 2.5 years people have often seen complex, top, measure, abstract alg, diff geo and more

[heavy needle]

It's only 2 year, and the general education requirements fr

[long hedge]

o i thought it was 2.5

[heavy needle]

Calc 1, Calc 2, Calc 3, LA

Plus like, stats I think

[heavy needle]

4 semesters right there

3 at best

[long hedge]

bru

at end of 4 sems here we're taking advanced measure theory

[heavy needle]

Then don't forget you have to take 2 foreign languages and 2 gym classes

[long hedge]

thank the lord i ain't doing these gen eds

i'd be so behind in math

[main trail]

he's only on campus for 2 days a week, and packed on those days

[steep grove]

Sounds depressing

I hate British winters where it's only bright out 8am - 3pm

Do u have extra long summers then? Like 2am to 10pm daylight?

People here would kill for 60s and 70s

That's a grade A or B

He came to my school once

Very good teacher

[devout sun]

Weakest math ed in Europe better than strongest math ed in Canada

[scenic shuttle]

in uni? I get this a lot

[steep grove]

not even in uni

hs too

they've recently been making the papers easier tho 😭 so the boundaries are getting higher

in a level maths 2019, boundaries were like 56 for an A

now its like 74 for an A

[scenic shuttle]

lmao

ngl i was suffering to get these grades in hs 😭

[royal basin]

did anyone call me?

[long hedge]

lebanese tao fr

[long hedge]

We are just better

[viral osprey]

Well I guess nothing can really be done on that front unless you ask around at your uni for more resources or find them on your own (the latter you've kinda done already being here and stuff).

You're not going to just magically stop getting stuck on questions from time to time though. It happens to everybody.

A lot of the time you just sit fooling around with problems and ideas, doing calculations, looking through books and websites etc until you find something that helps you make progress or you give up.

Solving hard problems can take a lot of time and effort.

[main trail]

not allowed :(

These are assignment problems

so graded , and no help allowed

[green terrace]

The intention of those is that you attempt the problem at-least somewhat on your own, in most cases your uni isn't going to like...dismiss you because you asked for help on some particularly tricky algebra or analysis problem

They will dismiss you if you cheat in many cases, but asking for help and then acknowledging it isn't cheating

Especially if you ask a TA or a professor

[main trail]

Well the prof's instructions says so

This course has no TA

[main trail]

tbf though, I spent one month on a problem only to finally crack it( it was actually easy tbf), the feeling of joy is incomparable

@green terrace

well, wrong ref

one min

[viral osprey]

I mean, it depends on a lot of specifics.

Surely you are allowed to sit and think about problems.

[main trail]

.

[viral osprey]

Not sure what they expect you to do then.

[main trail]

Crack it ourselves I guess

[viral osprey]

If this is the case the instructor and/or the admin folks are the people you should talk to.

What I'm describing IS how you solve a problem.

You try some shit, if it works you're done. If not you review whatever resources and tools are available and try again.

[main trail]

I do that, yea

[viral osprey]

Yeah I figured you do.

[main trail]

I am getting better at this tbf

[viral osprey]

If it's not enough, then you need to reach out to other people. In this case if using other sources is not allowed, then you need to go thru your instructor.

It gets easier as time goes on.

[main trail]

a lot of times, the answer was in front me , I just didn't see it[ Was overcomplicating it]

[viral osprey]

Yeah, that's normal.

Fwiw, there's only so much they can really say/do.

Like, if you teach yourself some analysis shit like mvt, they can't force you to unlearn it.

Say you do this before the course starts

[main trail]

That does make sense, yes

[viral osprey]

Have you cheated by knowing the proof of mvt because you decided to learn it in advance? Absolutely not.

[main trail]

Yea, I get what you mean

[viral osprey]

Now, getting an assignment and immediately hopping online and googling all the answers is not gucci provided they explicitly disallow it (and even if they don't you shouldn't do this).

I really do think you should talk to your prof or somebody at your school regardless of how busy you think they are about this.

The intent behind these policies is probably to force you to actually take the time to struggle and learn the material. Probably not to just fail you.

[main trail]

I have. The issue is most students won't stop at discussing ideas.

[viral osprey]

I'm contacting your school as we speak. Prepare for the incoming expulsion.

[main trail]

They'll discuss the answer , is what he said.

[viral osprey]

(Jk)

[viral osprey]

What does he say about how you can get unstuck when you are stuck?

[main trail]

Well, he does give hints if you've shown a serious attempt to that question

[viral osprey]

The goal of your homework is surely not to show you problems you won't be able to solve lol.

Ah yeah, that's fair.

Well, then show a serious attempt and if you get stuck be annoying as fuck for those sweet hinty bois

[main trail]

I mean I am starting to appreciate it. And he has been doing this for 30 years , so he knows what he's doing I suppose.[ And that's just for teaching RA]

[viral osprey]

Yeah, he's not totally wrong about trying to force people to really try the problems.

Sitting around being stuck and confused is kind of a natural part of doing math in general.

[torn olive]

I pray every day that my students cheat like this (by learning the material)

[main trail]

That is true. IT's just a shock to the system

BUT, it does make discovering the solutions to a lot of problems so europhic

Not in the same way

the intellectual reward is so sweet

[long hedge]

Sweet and sour potato the dsa goat

Data structures and algorithm

R u

Bro needs to be a centrist

Nah wait centrists are both hated and the most liked

Arent people who identify as independent/moderate more likely to vote left

In recent election i think indeps were like 2x as likely to vote against trump

But ik exactly ur political views now

Ohhhh

Yea

I was talking about politics

Of course i do, thats who id vote for

Dw itll only happen if they disagree with the political takes

Why did u joke about that

I thought u were in ur 20s

Did u start uni early or smth?

You seem like you have always been here

Aint no way we are same year

I guess u preferred this to ee or cs server

U seem like a cs person

Dw regardless of what u do, ull be unemployed

We will all be

[red bough]

119 101 32 115 117 114 101 32 119 105 108 108 46

[rocky terrace]

of middle school

[red bough]

(we sure will)

[sour mirage]

Said we sure be at first

[red bough]

yea, that was an English mistake

[glacial raven]

anyone else using anki for scheduling review of problems

[long hedge]

not for problems but theory yea

[glacial raven]

interesting can you give an example of what you are doing

[long hedge]

say there's a theorem, i type down the connection on the front of the card, and then i try and recall theorem statement and then the proof

e.g if i have a theorem "in a pid ring, all submodules of free modules are free"
My card will be "What do we know about submodules of free modules in PID Rings?"
And the other side will just be statement and proof

[glacial raven]

ok that makes sense

is there a reason why you dont schedule problems?

that is a problem in some sense

[long hedge]

i mean i just do the problems straight away

[glacial raven]

do you only study things relevant to courses you are taking? Last time i setup anki i started going overboard

[long hedge]

here's what happens

you go overboard do a lot of extra stuff

get wrecked in the exam

you learn and start focusing on what's relevant

[glacial raven]

its amazing. read 3 pages from spivak a day and make anki cards and in a year you will have the whole book done

might be better to put aside n minutes every day

[neon parrot]

@scenic shuttle this is my main

Now mention this id in that channel

I'm unable to fine that channel

[scenic shuttle]

yeah u have the studying role

remove it

and yea idk u tbh

[neon parrot]

How

[neon parrot]

I know that you don't know me

[scenic shuttle]

do ,iamnot dying

or remove it in id:customize

[scenic shuttle]

yeah i dont

[neon parrot]

iamnot dying

[scenic shuttle]

dont forget the comma

[neon parrot]

,iamnot dying

[mossy shadow]

Removed the studying! role from you.

[scenic shuttle]

there u go

[safe harbor]

We are all dying

[neon parrot]

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Finally

[scenic shuttle]

u should see #serious-discussion now

[glacial raven]

albrt camus

[steep grove]

Me when I cheat on the exam by memorising the answers before the test

My teachers haven't caught me out yet

[glacial raven]

https://www.learningscientists.org/blog/2016/2/12-1

[steep grove]

basically what I do

works pretty well

[latent yoke]

Hey i need a suggestion, i did matrices and determinants a while ago
and i was just practicing questions of calculus , encountered a few questions where the propoerties of them would have been helpfull
realised i have forgoten some, like how to use properties

im not sure if i should restart with studying it from start
i did one mistake of not making my own notes of matrices that time ......

restarting would be kinda time consuming and i was trying to increase efficiency of my work due to time limitations

any input is helpfull! thanks in advance!!!

[long hedge]

What happens when bro doesnt use anki

[latent yoke]

(reffering to very basic properties and tricks )
(forgetting them also tells me i never familiarized myself with the same, so maybe i should spend time to relearn the same )

[stray notch]

What’s the best way to study pre algebra, algebra 1 and algebra 2

I’m in class 10 in Germany as of now I’d be willing to use anything if it’s good from youtube Videos to books to whatever really

I found this and I’m not sure if it’s considered good for auch a thing

But its extensive

https://youtu.be/VXzm8ReImG0?si=qyWs04eG5S-bMqfs

[scenic shuttle]

khan academy should be good source if u haven't heard about it

the video u sent seems a lot but i feel like its good

[long hedge]

Why did they name a site after genghis khan lmao

[scenic shuttle]

no idea

that was a thing back then?

[long hedge]

It was khan academy was used to teach future members of mongol tribe

Im a proud alumni

[scenic shuttle]

icic

i never knew khan academy until like early 2023 loll

[long hedge]

Khan academy single handedly taught me ap calc fr

[scenic shuttle]

fr

i used paul's notes for calc

[long hedge]

Bro the site has such a bad ui

If im unemployed aftr college ill create a better version for both calc and lin alg

[scenic shuttle]

i have created a math reference before

i just worked with someone

[long hedge]

Then ill make it free for everyone so everyone gets hooked

[long hedge]

Then when everyone is hooked, ill put it behind paymodel and put adds on it

Then i will retire

[long hedge]

Is it good

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-dog-suspicious-look-suspicious-doubt-dog-doubt-gif-23680990

[scenic shuttle]

ya but its incomplete lol

#serious-discussion message

[devout sun]

asian legacy

cant have 1/3 of them not knowing basic math

[outer rapids]

its just the last name of the founder lmao

[long hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/missedjoke-fyou-gif-18544232

[outer rapids]

cool

you sounded like you genuinely didnt know

[safe harbor]

[raw axle]

Does anybody have any tips for stay focused while studying math? When doing problems I feel like I’m locked in, but when I’m learning new material and not actively engaging my brain and solving a problem I just don’t focus very well or get distracted easily. Anybody else have this experience?

I guess what I’m trying to ask is how to maximize the effort I put into studying

Like if I do math for an hour maybe only 30-40 minutes of that hour was actually spent doing something useful/being 100% focused

[slim aurora]

try pomodoro

for me i think of it like a reward

focus for an hour get a 10 minute break

you can do different times thats just an example

[old juniper]

Hello, I started learning circuit theory/semiconductor engineering/signals and systems. Up to last semester, I could handle the formulas in the book. At some point I'm lost- circuit theory book explains the RL/RC circuit response, which my professor said through separation of variables. I had no idea, so as a last resort I memorized how to solve specific form of a differential equation.
I understand how calculus is critical to explain physical phenomena. Engineering Mathematics course wasn't available to my departments. Internet recommended me the book 'Advanced Engineering Mathematics' for self-study. I am frightened a little, because I feel it's a late start(3rd year, 2nd sem.). What can I do?

[outer rapids]

You don’t really need to know how the RLC characteristic is derived

Just accept that it is what it is and move on

That’s how engineering goes

[old juniper]

Such as, initially energy is stored in the inductor and the capacitoror- at some point the circuit is free of dependent sources, L and C make the current flow through R- the energy is dissipitated?

[outer rapids]

I’ll need more context to understand what you’re trying to say

[old juniper]

From Fundamentals of Electric circuits, source-free RLC circuit response chapter.

At some time t=0 the power source is disconnected from the circuit, and the problem is how to find the decaying response. The book explains the formula through calculus. How should I read this book?

[outer rapids]

Right, and so the thing to understand about RLC circuits under DC is that they always just decay exponentially to their steady state

And that’s all you need to know

What are you confused about?

[wispy zephyr]

have you taken an ODE class yet? usually you learn the methods used for solving second order linear differential equations like these there

[limpid hamlet]

imo learn the math from a math book

people do much worse not learning e.g. intro diffyq

or in other cases linear algemra

christ the physics majors here don't need to take a linear algebra class and so only get little bits from other classes and most are rather bad at it

[wispy zephyr]

that's very strange tbh

[limpid hamlet]

i know right!

[old juniper]

I have Howard Anton's Linear Algebra and Dennis G. Zill's Advanced Engineering Mathematics. Are these books good for self-study?

[limpid hamlet]

Some people like Axler I hear

though I have heard problems arising from not knowing what a determinant is

I originally learned linear algebra from the 0th chapter of a quantum mechanics book (Shankar's Principles of Quantum Mechanics)

[obsidian wigeon]

the latest edition of axler fixed determinants

[wispy zephyr]

axler is good but as like a second course after doing a more computational first one

because he won't teach you how to calculate anything

[limpid hamlet]

e.g. an above average student in a second level quantum mechanics class who only learned that inner products are like projection recently, due to me.

[obsidian wigeon]

yea he explicitly says in the intro, this is for a second course
and he means it haha

[limpid hamlet]

(taking notes in my head, so that I know what to recommend people)

What do you think is a good set of basic books for people? Like calculus, linear algebra, differential equations?

[obsidian wigeon]

FIS is a good math-oriented LA book that starts from the beginning and has a decent mix of computation and theory

would be my generic recommendation

[limpid hamlet]

yeah looking just at dami's recc list it looks like that would be what I'd recc poople.

[wispy zephyr]

for non-math types i think a good computation-focused book for la is anton. i've also seen people recommend strang but i personally don't like the writing style

[limpid hamlet]

and you know, one day i want to have a child, and there's a fair chance said child will care about math

[wispy zephyr]

as far as calc books go all the big ones have essentially the same structure. i recommend the early transcendentals versions (the 'normal' versions put transcendental functions super late for some reason). my personal leaning is toward thomas but that's probably because i used it

[old juniper]

Can you tell me more about the book?

[wispy zephyr]

like thomas' calculus?

[old juniper]

Can you tell me the early transcendal versions

what's the book name?

[wispy zephyr]

they are titled [book title]: Early Transcendentals generally

for example

these books both teach the same content, just in a different order

i personally think the order is better in the second one

[old juniper]

thank you

should I buy the newest edition?

Newer versions are by Pearson and others are Addison. Are there big differences?

[wispy zephyr]

the changes between editions aren't huge, so i wouldn't worry too much about which edition you get

if the prices are the same i would get newer though

[old juniper]

thank you so much

[obsidian wigeon]

that said, if you're buying a physical copy, they get way cheaper if you go back a few editions, and the content isn't noticeably different

[oblique iris]

e

[storm tide]

Huh. I had naively assumed it to mean "this is the first and easiest volume of a whole series on transcendental functions that's meant to follow the basic calculus book".

[rocky terrace]

@brittle falcon

trust

🗿

[brittle falcon]

🗿

[rocky terrace]

#❓how-to-get-help

read this

[storm tide]

Why is that here? I see no attempt from Icarus to post misplaced question.

[rocky terrace]

Oh he's a friend, I'm telling him to actually use the server for math help and I just posted the how to get help link so that he is informed on how to get help

[long hedge]

bro is bullying icarus

[safe harbor]

Nerd

[rocky terrace]

Jarvis list all the real world applications of model theory

[safe harbor]

I have a book on applications of model theory

I think it's like 50 years old

It references Shelah-Keisler as a new result

Anyway I don't think any new applications have been found

[long hedge]

So is it younger than you

[safe harbor]

...how old do you think I am?

[long hedge]

Do u want it in scientific notation

[safe harbor]

Bruh

How old are you? 12?

[long hedge]

young enough to be your grandchild

so at least 18

[safe harbor]

I'm 20

[scenic shuttle]

so young

[long hedge]

no way you are 1 year older than me

[steep grove]

Imagine being 50 with the name poopoopeepeepants

[quiet summit]

Imagine being 67
-# (ik it’s cringe)

[edgy sierra]

six seven

[quiet summit]

ok choco pi

[steep grove]

Not even a good song

[quiet summit]

wat song

nvm

[steep grove]

Thanking God for not making me a brainrot 67 kid

67 is such a bad meme

[rocky terrace]

69420 800815 🗣️ 🔥 🔥 🔥

[long hedge]

bro self reacted

[devout sun]

nG transformation

[obsidian wigeon]

"effecting"

the irony

[raven kindle]

"effecting" also happens to be a verb but not the correct one here

[obsidian wigeon]

indeed

[quick elk]

what did you expect from a teacher who makes posters to 6 7 brainrot kids

[warm saffron]

@coral sleet

[coral sleet]

to answer, I don't really have any methods for identifying tricks

I just do a ton of problems and hope for the best

I'm really not great at coming up with new approaches with exam pressure on me

[warm saffron]

so the solution is solve all previous sessions

got it

[raven kindle]

Slightly

[steep grove]

i would instafail

be glad i dont teach

yes

at that point, i wouldn't sleep

[steep grove]

i do that because i agree with what i say

[tropic void]

The best strategy is to lean into the memes

By doing them yourself they’ll get uncooler by association

[steep grove]

can we create mathematical chambers for anyone who says 67 as a meme

they get put in there and are forced to do a lot of mathematical problems

they'll only be let out once they solve the riemann hypothesis or another unsolved problem

[lapis sluice]

... how many problems?

[steep grove]

Infinitely many

To make them a mathematical genius

We could also hold a competition from time to time to have them annihilate each other and promise the survivor to be let out

[lapis sluice]

Hahahaha I was thinking of a certain prime number

[steep grove]

no

that's not good

you can go to the mathematical chamber

[lapis sluice]

its like grothendieck's prime

except its also a real prime

[steep grove]

23 * 3

[lapis sluice]

Yes

but a number in that vicinity

[steep grove]

those are the only factors

[lapis sluice]

close to it but not quite

one of these are prime

[steep grove]

ik because 3 and 23 are prime numbers

so u cant reduce them further

obviously 1 and 67 too

[lapis sluice]

BOIIIIIII

[steep grove]

no

67 is a number

it made sense in the mathematical context

stop being werid

[lapis sluice]

six sevennn

[steep grove]

67 is not funny

[modest osprey]

hey!

so..

I am a high-schooler, into AI, coding, and lots of stuff

I have a very good intuition and I think a good basis but I suck at anything methodical

I feel like I can longer study methodically like I used to do in the past.. probably because I am so theoretically-focused and a bit obsessive when I do that in general

and I need to fix that

how do I do it?

[scenic shuttle]

LOL

[grand berry]

hi guys i'd like to ask something to yall

im in college and i need to learn limits integrals and derivatives but idk where to start and where to learn them. there are multiple places and i found one and took some notes on derivatives but as soon as i switch the source i see that my notes are not related to the "derivatives" theyre talking abt 🥲

[modest osprey]

I get it since it's getting trendy now.. but I actually got into it.. also "into AI" doesn't necessarily mean "expert at AI" but without boasting I think I've good foundations and I've been coding for a decent time

[rocky terrace]

We have prismatic cohomology

Sweet and Sour Cohomology when?

[steep grove]

Try khanacademy

It's good and I'm not american

I'm glad my size could make you laugh

[limpid hamlet]

https://youtu.be/S0_qX4VJhMQ

that's most of calculus

next is defining ln(a) as area under the curve of 1/x from 1 to a, and then using the fact that squeeze transformations (expand one axis by a factor and shrink the other axis by the same factor) don't change the hyperbola y=1/x and also preserve areas. so area under curve from a to ab is the area under curve from 1 to b, so ln(ab) = 1 to ab is 1 to a + a to ab = 1 to a + 1 to b = ln(a) + ln(b)

[steep grove]

Hello

[steep grove]

No

[steep grove]

I'm someone planning to apply to university in this cycle (UK) to start a "BSc Mathematics and Computer Science" course later in 2026. I've already finished A levels so I'm in a gap year. What kind of stuff could I do to boost my personal statement to maximise my chances of securing a good place at a good university?

[steep grove]

by december btw

i gotta send in my application by december

my a levels are fine

i dont need to take admissions exams but even if i did them

would they even see it

im eligible for contextual offers

cuz of my postcode

no

A*AB

bro i was so close to another A

i was 3 marks off

no unis like

durham bristol etc.

im on contextual offers

so they ask for like A*AB AAB

without admissions exams

but i want to try get a scholarship too

with a banger ps

expensive and i dont see much point

i was thinking of supercurricular activities

why would i want 3A* after a resit

its just not the same

[deft cove]

any ways to help me improve my focus? i just get distracted so easily

[steep grove]

😭

if i resat, ik id get 3A*

and academics dont mean everything

passion is also important

so i want to portray that in my ps by doing supercurricular and stuff

ngl i was thinking of maybe doing step for fun

[sly badger]

hello guys, i have differential calculus this semester. I need good online video playlist. any suggestions would help a lot.

[rocky terrace]

Khan academy

and 3Blue1Brown

[lavish breach]

My problem:
Havent learned any proof based math and have no clue where to start + never used a math text book since 8th grade.

My current situation: learned calc 1 last year from the course video on freecodecamp (+practice problems and other videos when needed). Mostly the same for calc 2 rn but using khan academy instead. I’m only in algebra 2 in school (very ahead of my age in math and school refuses to really help me go farther) and don’t have amazing reading comprehension skills. I fear I’m a bit unprepared for rigorous math and I wanna take atleast volume one of apostols calculus after I learn calc 3 through some video resource. I want to learn how to better comprehend text book math and proof based math so I can’t fall on my face the second I go to apostol’s calculus.

Any tips for how I could ease myself into more text book math + proof based self study without getting extremely overwhelmed or bored and losing motivation?

Oh if I want to learn calc 3, linear alg, ODE, and Apostol’s calc vol 1, what’s a good order

[devout sun]

@lavish breach idk anything about apostol calculus, but often ppl do some sorta basic intro to proofs, eg elementary number theory is common to do. but its not necessary, since most analysis books will have the introductory material you need
imo, you should get used to the process of just reading a book, videos become more scarce for upper lvl math subjects
to do this, you'll have to sit and actively engage with the book, its usually not smth you can just casually read. there are things you'll have to write out on a separate piece of paper to understand, and you might want to take notes of the key details. often, you want to later think about strategies done in the book (for eg in some calculation or proof) and replicate them on your own. pace yourself, you might sometimes need an hour to go through 2-5 pages. a loose schedule based on section numbers might be helpful

i'd rec doing multivariable calculus with linear algebra, then ODE, that'll cover all the "calculus base" you need. then you can do proof based math, like proof based linear algebra and analysis, as well as abstract algebra if you want
abbott's analysis is a good book, jay cummings' real analysis book also looks good for beginners, they go through the necessary "beginner proofs" at the start and explain things well for a first course in proof based calculus

[lavish breach]

Tysm dude that’s actually so helpful.
The elementary number theory idea sounds like a really good idea so I’ll probably try that first. I think after all the math classes I listed I’ll probably wait for real pure maths till college. Trying to major in physics so I’ll probably switch to learning that for a bit since I don’t fully trust myself to learn pure maths. I’ve heard Apostol’s calculus is sorta in between real analysis and basic calculus so that why I mentioned that btw.

Genuinely screenshotting that message tho, thanks so much again

[glacial raven]

Guys i skip classes to study in my home, how should i proced now?

[devout sun]

ic, ok. im not sure about books that are a mix of calc and analysis, i think spivak's calculus might do this? might be wrong though. the thing is, if you've already done computational calculus, i think you can just do regular analysis from books like abbott

[glacial raven]

Yeah but, how i study?

Let me explain to you my situation

The exams in my country are questions where do you need to justify the answer, so, i cant find past papers where can i practice so i cant do active recall or these techniques that youtubers recommend

See?

Also i skip classes too

[lavish breach]

Yeah I’ve heard apostols calculus is similar to spivaks but a decent bit harder. Might be basically real analysis, which I will definitely be waiting to take for a while

Probably will just go straight to analysis I guess to not waste time but definitely waiting on that for a bit then

[royal basin]

why do you skip classes if you dont have a plan for home though

[glacial raven]

I just dont like them

It frustates me

[raven kindle]

Why are you taking them

[royal basin]

i see

what is this class about?

[glacial raven]

Math, physics and chemistry

[glacial raven]

College

[royal basin]

i mean what topic in math for example

so like what does the math class cover/go over

[raven kindle]

You still are taking the class even if you skip lectures, you have to do the assignments and exams right?

[steep grove]

Yk flash card apps like gizmo?

Try using them

It's basically the same thing as active recall

U make questions and give answers to them

It's just less efficient to make your own so that's why I don't use them

[limpid hamlet]

Used something with spaced repition. If that has that then hooray.

If I were you I would use Anki. I've never gotten into the habit of flashcards but the software is what I'm want for such a thing

It's free (as in freedom iirc)

the software is free. distributing on the app store costs the developer money, and thus is the probable cause of the cost

you can just try a computer

or, perhaps you can sideload it?

ah, anki web on a browser

[limpid hamlet]

my guess was apparently false?

Ah

“Why is the Android version free?”

The Android version is developed by a different group of people, who based it off the computer version I wrote. Because they have day jobs and can only work on it in their free time, AnkiMobile is better supported: no questions or bug reports go unanswered, the app is more polished, and most bugs get fixed quickly.

https://faqs.ankiweb.net/why-does-ankimobile-cost-more-than-a-typical-mobile-app.html#why-does-ankimobile-cost-more-than-a-typical-mobile-app

[timber blade]

Or they just know ios users are willing to pay for something android users wouldn't.

[limpid hamlet]

I have just establisted that "they" are not even the same group.

Like come on, read.

Unless you just mean, they would not have charged had they believed the users were similar

in which case, carry on

okay then, sorry for insulting you

[glacial raven]

Exams yes but assignments not now

[pseudo cedar]

(also releasing on ios can be more expensive than on android)

[limpid hamlet]

this was indeed a case where it was bad of me

I would like to say, because many people in fact literally just don't read

They weren't like that, though, and I mean this is such a stereotypical excuse

[rancid sinew]

what does undergraduate math mean?

do you study in a specific sphere in math at uni?

[wispy zephyr]

it's math which is advanced enough that it generally isn't taught in high school or below, but not so advanced as to be only taught in grad school

there is considerable overlap at the boundaries on both ends, of course

[dire lava]

guys i need help. my professor isnt the best at teaching and that can hinder my note taking. she basically just writes the problem on the board and follows up with steps, the process, etc. basically just having us copy what she is doing. she also goes a little fast is there a way i can capitalize off this im tryna lock in

[glacial raven]

Im so dumb man

I cant ubdrrstand anything

I should be dead

I cannot complete my classes

So i will never learn anything

Im so dumbbbbbb

[heady timber]

don’t say that bro

u can learn it just need to spend time to understand and practice

[heady timber]

but dont put urself down bro never

[glacial raven]

I dont even know how to practice

[heady timber]

idk what typa problems ur facing but generally just doing problems esp ones u find very difficult can help

the more u do it, even if u solve wrong, the better understanding u get

[glacial raven]

I cant even start doing it

I just wait for my exams to go wrong and have 0.0

And its all my fault

I can swe my future

Im gonns be a vagabond

[thick ermine]

to add to what cloud said, it's a very fuzzy term
all the advanced mathematics channels are accessible with the undergraduate mathematics role because literally any mathematics could show up as part of an undergraduate degree depending on the university

[swift acorn]

hey guys, I am trying to learn about counting, like permutation, combinatorics and so on... it's hard... very hard... how do I learn it? How do I know if I am getting better?

[rancid sinew]

Permutation is when order does matter and combination is when order does not matter

[swift acorn]

it was just examples of what might be in it

the real problem

is the problems

each case is a case

I miss possibilities

and even though I've been studying it for days

I still can't understand it

[swift acorn]

oh no, I know how to think of them, a combination is, grabbing a group of 5, and saying, how many subgroups of 2 we can do

a permutation

like that one with the A and so on, I know that two

I know that

I know theory

but it just gets though for each problem

(sorry to interrupt)

of a problem that I have a though time with?

sure

though this is not the help channel

just if any mods see this,

it's an example

"A group of 6 friends, in which 2 sisters do part in Margarida and Mariana, decided to go on a walk. After some time, the found 6 free chairs and decided to sit. The chairs are places in a row, and are fixed to the floor. In how many ways can the two friends occupy the chairs, guaranteeing that Mariana and Margarida stay seperated" -- now before you answer, let me show you my reasoning for solving the problem

There is a group of 6

That group of 6 can be subdivided into a group of 2, the sisters, and 4, the 4 other friendsz

So,

I thought

though not fully understanding the logic, the number of possibilities where they are together is $2! \times 4! = 672$ and then I thought: 6! is if there are no rules, so $6! - 2! \times 4!$, which is wrong

[mossy shadow]

ℕ∈ℝD ALERT: Gonçalo Gonçalves

[swift acorn]

That is it

you see the problem_

Yeah

I saw it on an example, it's maybe incorrect, but you see the problem

I hope right @long hedge

?

oh

that

well idk gone on ther but I did that at 7am

480

kkkkk

oh, that a good way to think of it, how do you develop that kind of understanding?

oh btw

I need to go

I have a family dinner, just answer that

I gotta go

I'm sorry, but I will probably only see it 30 min from now

just saying

that makes sense

I back

@long hedge

anyways

literally everyone on this community can solve counting questions

and quick too

how?!??

I sometimes take 3 days to get a right answer

oh

!nochatgpt

!nogpt

[wide crypt]

Please do not trust ChatGPT or similar AI tools for mathematical tasks, as they often generate output which "sounds correct" but has numerous factual or logical errors. Use of these AI tools to answer other people's help questions is strictly against server rules (see #rules).

[swift acorn]

ok

no

it is corect

why dont you use Walkfram Alpha or somethin like that then?

walfram alpha

I think that was the name

!bots

nop nada

welp tried

anyways, back to the original question, I can't have trial and error methods on the exam

so how do I develop this

ok fine let's drop that

I will keep that in mind thanks

[swift acorn]

wait, why 5 factorial, if BA occupies to places shouldn't it be 4 factorial

oh sorry, 6 chair, forget it

[devout sun]

Do shit ton of problems
For these, often when you have smth where there are many cases to consider (ie, there are many ways that the two can be separated) you do the indirect method bc it is easier to think about when they are together

[swift acorn]

the indirect method, or an indirect method

and wdym with recursively?

[devout sun]

The

[swift acorn]

how so?

[devout sun]

Bc you have a subset of events

And you just consider the opposite

And count the opposite

Subtract from the total

They can either be together or not together

[swift acorn]

ok

makese sense

yeahh?

(I'll give you time to write it out)

I like long stories anywho

[devout sun]

Aren't you taking probability rn 😭

Well you usually consider an events as sets I think, like the event of getting h heads from n flips

[swift acorn]

atcho time

[long hedge]

basically you have 6 seats
and you have the pair AB
Let's consider the case where A is on either edge
then there are 2 edges
and B can go 4 different places so we have
and then we have case where B is on the edge
A can go 3 different places since if it goes to an edge we have already counted it so we have
2*4*4!
2*\3*4!
Now remove those 2 edges (when considering A or B)
and look at the 2 new edges
A can go 2 different edges
and then B can go to 2 different places
Now consider last case where B is on an edge but A isn't
2 cases only (when B is on either edge)
so we have (2+6+8+4)*4! = 480

bro has homeworks in the big 25

https://tenor.com/view/chatgpt-jarvis-iron-man-unsure-gif-758258540099951503

[scenic shuttle]

i also have homework but i dont do my math homework

[long hedge]

just gpt it fr

[scenic shuttle]

no it sucks

[long hedge]

for math homework ?

what math you doing

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-dog-suspicious-look-suspicious-doubt-dog-doubt-gif-23680990

[scenic shuttle]

I dont even use it for math

[scenic shuttle]

im doing things like 1+1 is what

[long hedge]

ah primes

very advanced

respect

[scenic shuttle]

real 🤝

btw gpt cant help w digital systems stuff 💔

[long hedge]

good it means you won't be replaced

if you learn it

[scenic shuttle]

yep i know

also uh my prof is so bad

#「the-obsidian-twink-jesus」 message

[long hedge]

lmao

that is awful legit

and that point i just drop the class

if the class is very important i'd go on exchange and take it there

[scenic shuttle]

i cant change prof bc they only got him to teach this course

every week its getting worse

[long hedge]

do exchange at another uni

and take the course there

[scenic shuttle]

too much money

my goal is just pass the course tbh

[long hedge]

wait do they make you pay to do exchange at another uni

dam

well ig if you live with your parents then it'd be more expensive to go on exchange

[scenic shuttle]

[scenic shuttle]

that was a joke btw
the math course im taking this sem is basically precalc and next sem is calculus
then in 4th year they offer applied engineering mathematics, which I really don't know what kinda math is yet

[long hedge]

oh it was a joke ? mb i thought you were serious

[scenic shuttle]

LOL

[long hedge]

pre calc

https://tenor.com/view/zaunvi-caitvitwt-gif-1251875630135871970

[scenic shuttle]

ye

its so boring

[long hedge]

europe vs canada is so different ig

college wise

[scenic shuttle]

only bc i dont go to top school

[long hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/squint-eyes-really-gif-13700560966715616459

how is europe not a country ?

[scenic shuttle]

north america is also a country

[long hedge]

bro became trump

[scenic shuttle]

no

[long hedge]

sour's favourite politician

[scenic shuttle]

i dont plan becoming a politician

[long hedge]

i'm talking about you 😠

[long hedge]

bro doesn't like easy money without having to work

[scenic shuttle]

too much yapping tho

[long hedge]

I sentence you to yap for every minute you have spent designing your profile

[scenic shuttle]

bro is stalking me

[long hedge]

how did you know

[scenic shuttle]

read ur sentence

i had my previous banner over a month now and decide to change it with latest new song

[long hedge]

why did bro change from the iconic 'chipper potato'

because you are a cs major

ay 60% of my time here is spent getting help

i count it as working time

fr

[scenic shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-cat-huh-small-cat-huh-what-gif-2593177363967991691

[long hedge]

i mean it is true tho

[scenic shuttle]

change ur name to #1 java hater or something

dm @split oasis

[long hedge]

how did you change it before

[scenic shuttle]

since i still do boring math i wanna know how to get a 100 on a test

[long hedge]

typically you want to get all the answers correct

in which case you get 100%

[scenic shuttle]

true but i still make silly mistakes

its the calculations lol

[long hedge]

here is the trick

they often tell you to re read your answers at the end

right

[scenic shuttle]

ya

[long hedge]

don't do it at the end

instead do it with every 1 question as a gap

[scenic shuttle]

i could relearn my silly mistakes and do well on exam

[long hedge]

So say you complete question 1, then forget question 1 and do question 2 and 3 and then come back to question 1

[royal basin]

you can change it yourself

you want your name to change only in this server right?

[scenic shuttle]

i usually do this

[long hedge]

you need active role

[long hedge]

make sure you start with easiest questions first

[royal basin]

ohhh

me when i have the role so i dont notice that you need it to do this

[scenic shuttle]

do u know display name in dms? u can change ur nickname with this

[long hedge]

idk why mods are such prudes about changing username

depends

[scenic shuttle]

#❓how-to-get-help or any specific channel

[long hedge]

what kind of question is it ?

yea so if it's a fairly basic question occupy a channel in available help channels, if it's more complex take the subject specific channel

[royal basin]

why would that be the case though

oops i wasnt trying to do that, i apologize if it annoyed you

ohh i see

[scenic shuttle]

lets get back to stu(dying)

[drifting wasp]

Yup for sure

[main trail]

@drifting wasp , so what I was going to ask and say are a few things

do you know proof writing

[uneven thicket]

hello, am not sure if this is the right place to ask, but any tips on how can I improve my comprehension or understanding a part of math where there are mostly words than numbers? Im having a difficulty understanding texts in any books and I want to improve.

[tropic void]

try to convert into numbers as much as you can

[uneven thicket]

so ill just traslate it into numbers?

[tropic void]

mhm

[uneven thicket]

but how can I make like a formula or equation for a problem?

[tropic void]

e.g. finding concrete examples

[uneven thicket]

ohhh

[drifting wasp]

Yup (sorry for the late reply)

The thing with analysis proofs, unlike linear algebra, is that they don't flow directly from axioms.

They are ..... creative!

[main trail]

I am aware

Also know that analysis problems can and will take hours

[eager halo]

Linear algebra proofs don't always easily flow from axioms either.

But I endearingly remember writing up some insane analysis proofs I now have no idea how I thought of. Fun stuff.

(Insane not in an ego-stroking sense, but just in a damn how did I think of that sense)

Iirc this is such a proof

The thing I like about Analysis so far is that it tends to be fun to think about and there tends to be endless ways you can try attacking a problem; I find the visualisability of things to be awesome.

[main trail]

esp in infinite dims

[main trail]

Is having bad sems normal in one's UG degree

or does it just mean I;m doing somethign wrong

[rocky terrace]

Real!

How long of slavery is left for you?

[eager halo]

Exactly one year

[sour mirage]

Idk

I'm getting skill issued

In PDEs

🥀

Bad sem or bad gpa?
I think both are normal but you'll get cooked if you want to go to grad school in the latter case

[scenic shuttle]

having bad sems in undergrad is pretty normal. but it depends on what u mean by "doing something wrong" sometimes it's not that ur doing anything wrong. it could just be tough classes, bad profs, lack of support, or personal stuff getting in the way

like for me, im having issues with my digital systems class rn and I feel like the whole sem is going bad just bc of the prof 💔

[glacial raven]

How do i get better grades?

[storm tide]

In general? Understand the material better. Avoid pitfalls like training solution procedures instead of understanding why they work.

[long hedge]

live in a country with only pass or fail, then you can easily get the top grade

[green terrace]

!help

[wide crypt]

To ask for mathematics help on this server, please open your own help channel or help thread. See #❓how-to-get-help for instructions.

[main trail]

the only thing that will hold up my GPA is my CGPA from sem 1 and 2 🥀

[main trail]

I have 4 hard courses this sem 🥀

RA1,AA1, An advanced LA course ( harder than LA2) and a sociology course

[scenic shuttle]

damn how many courses in total?

[main trail]

5

the last one is non-measure probability

[dire lava]

how do i study effectively

[tacit glen]

daily reminder to use noggin

[long hedge]

noggin ?

[tacit glen]

,w noggin (english word)

[mossy shadow]

Results provided by WolframAlpha

Click here to refine your query online
Upgrade to WolframAlpha Pro!

Requested by _0mem

[scenic shuttle]

i see, u will do well 🙂

[scenic shuttle]

brain

[hollow sky]

are there unsolved math problems that are useless even if they are solved, like there are unsolved math problems that are useful if they are solved?

if so, I wanted to know it earlier, because I have had a question, thought about it for a long time, then asked myself "what on the earth is my question useful for...?" and lost motivation for learning math so many times.

I didn't noticed an idea like that until I tried to search open math problems by chance.

[long hedge]

Engineer calling goldbach useless

[storm tide]

Or Collatz.

[long hedge]

The tools we develop to solve goldbach could be very useful like flt

[storm tide]

But that goes for every simple unsolved problem.

[long hedge]

Cs major calling me useless

Bro has not seen entry level market

But dw i am also useless

We can be unemployed together

[storm tide]

I feel it is most fruitful to construe "useless" in the sense of would it be of use in itself to know just the "true/false" answer (imagine it together with a machine-checkable but completely unstructured and impenetrable proof).

[long hedge]

Thats what every cs major thought

EE seems safer than CS but then again you are a sophomore, in 2 years as things keep getting worse who knows whatll happen

Id Drop the double major tbh especially if ur short on money

[storm tide]

I would tend to consider the bare result pretty useless in the above sense. I don't know enough about the proof to judge whether it contains ideas or techniques that are separately useful.

[long hedge]

Dont think about it just do it

And thank me later fr

Bro does not care about his future💔

Crazy how much changed in 3 years

[storm tide]

At least as originally published, it was not a machine-checked proof, just a proof that depended on computer support for doing exhaustive searches in each of ~1000 special cases -- but the identification and classification of all those cases had still been done by hand.

For all I know there may exist a machine-checked formalization of the whole thing by now, but that wasn't how it started out.

No, that only comes with the activity roles. You can ask a moderator (directly or by a DM to ModMail) to have your name changed, though. As long as your desired name is not offensive, handling such requests is routine.

[quick elk]

Chipper, since you like Ocaml, just sell out to Jane Street after graduation

[glass gull]

I usually do pomodoros for my independent study tine.

Sometime the question is complicated and I would solve it eventually, not knowing if the sol is correct.

I dont bother checking sometime causs my mentality revolves around just getting reps in. We dont check answer in class for these home-practice set.

Am I being efficient ? Or should I always check answer??

[rigid stratus]

Realistically most unsolved problems are not particularly useful

Though tropo's collatz answer would probably be my go-to, because of how famous it is

[topaz mist]

hello

[steep grove]

Double majors cost you more money? Wtf

[steep grove]

Poincaré conjecture (probably)

Cuz it's topology aka. unemploymentology

Is proving the riemann hypothesis even useful?

We already use it a lot and it seems to be working fine

Will properly proving it do anything for us

[long hedge]

if he has to stay an extra year in uni obviously it cost more money

[steep grove]

How do double majors work

In my country, it's more like a 50/50 split in modules but u can bias one subject

[long hedge]

He needs to take extra year to complete courses

[steep grove]

So u could make it like 60/40 by choosing more math modules than CS for example

[steep grove]

Is it more like 75/75 in some other countries

[long hedge]

In my country it is 100/100

[steep grove]

Wtf

[long hedge]

makes sense imo

[steep grove]

How does that take ONE extra year

And not more

[long hedge]

Im in another country than potato

[steep grove]

Who needs two degrees

That's two degrees

[long hedge]

If you double major should be 2 degrees

if not then it should minor

[steep grove]

Here (UK) it's still one degree but it would be called smth like "Mathematics and Computer Science"

[long hedge]

ew UK

[steep grove]

But we don't do majors we specialise in one subject

Probably provides modules from other courses when needed

[long hedge]

sorry but i prefer talking about first world countries

[steep grove]

Aren't you in like poland

NPC ass country

[long hedge]

Um no

why would i be in poland

[long hedge]

safer than uk

[steep grove]

It says central European time so I just guessed

Nobody knows your country either way

[long hedge]

Central European time includes germany and allât

[steep grove]

Germany? Where that certain political party is from?

[long hedge]

everyone knows uk because everyone knows where the trash can is

[long hedge]

i dont live in germany

[steep grove]

UK is still safer than America anyway

So we can hate on the US together

[long hedge]

no

i will make fun of america with my other first world countries

not with uk

[steep grove]

I've never heard of a single school shooting in the UK

[long hedge]

yeah but u heard of stabbings

[steep grove]

Who gets stabbed that often

The media only covers the bad things

[long hedge]

[steep grove]

Nobody likes reading good stories

The UK is not even that bad compared to actual third world countries

People who say that haven't actually been to third worlds

[steep grove]

Who gaf about london

London is a shithole

[long hedge]

it's a huge percentage of uks populstion

[steep grove]

It is but idc

Stop being racist to UKians

[long hedge]

all uk is

[steep grove]

Why did bro start hating on the UK for no reason anyway 😭

[storm tide]

Could we get back on topic, please?

(Or back to silence until someone wants to talk about the channel topic).

[livid chasm]

've only now started actually studying math, around the 10-12th grade level. There's this thing where I can't really solve a quadratic equation just by using a given formula just because it doesn't feel like I really understand what I'm doing without understanding where it all comes from. This just takes me to diving deeper into the rabbit hole of wondering whether I can actually find ways to do it without the formulas. How would you proceed in my situation? Stick with the methods towards more difficult concepts or really trying to do it all from nothing to understand the details.

I feel like the second option seems more "authentic" to me, but not too productive

So I'm guessing I might be over obsessing with proving everything, but not sure if that is the optimal way to actually start studying all of this stuff

[frosty rock]

this is from person who doesn't have method for studying so take with grain of salt

the way i see it, most concepts that are explained actually do have easy way to understand why we are doing it that way, so i would suggest looking over proof, if it's easy enough then maybe spend time on that, otherwise maybe just memorize formulas (you'll get used to it the more you practice)

for example, let's take polynominal division: why when we read "P divided by x - 2 gives remainder of 3" we do x = 2? well that's because same way you can write n = ax + b for integers, you can write P(x) = (x-2)Q(x) + R(x) and when you do x = 2, you see that only R(x), the remainder, stays.
when you understand it this way, it's just hard to forget

so i would suggest looking over proof, if it's simple enough to ingest then i suggest it otherwise go with methods

[storm tide]

Definitely look up how the formula is derived (key words to search for in this case are "completing the square").
It's a good instinct to have, and it will save you much grief down the line if you make a habit of questioning where things come from. Many formulas (though perhaps not the quadratic formula in particular) are so much easier to remember when you know the reason for them that the effort spent on investigating them is richly worth it.

[livid chasm]

Yeah, I'm guessing that is my weak link currently. I can solve the equations, I've figured how the CTS thing works, the discriminant etc, but it is troubling because I just get told to "use this method" and I can't figure if that's something I could've stumbled upon myself

I think I'll just stick to the formulas for now because digging too deep into all that is just way above me with my current knowledge haha

Currently doing khanacademy courses, seems to be going pretty okay

[frosty rock]

i would suggest going through it atleast once even if you believe you don't have knowledge for it

exposure to derivations, even if you don't understand, will help and eventually you may get used to it the more exposure you have, our brains are pattern machines afterall, you will catch on something eventually

as for quadratic thing, there's actually nothing complicated in derivation, it's just adding terms in clever way such that you can write it in terms of square of something, then using two square difference, so i'm sure you can follow through it atleast once

some formulas relating to quadratic equations can also be derived directly by expanding $a(x-x_1)(x-x_2)$ then making comments about coefficients

[mossy shadow]

❄

[storm tide]

If you feel you understand an example of completing the square with actual numbers, I'd encourage you to try to convert that into an argument for the quadratic formula.
Take the concrete example, and for each actual number that appears in the explanation, write down an expression that explains how that number was calculated from the a, b, and c of the original ax²+bx+c=0 equation. At the end you ought to get an expression for the solution that is either the quadratic formula or something very close to it -- you might need to pull a factor of 2 in or out of the square root and so forth.

[shell wasp]

hi

here are my grades so far

does anyone have any advice for me

[haughty bay]

do you know what it is exactly that you’re struggling with?

[shell wasp]

well im obviously failing cause i dont know how to answer the questions on the test

this isnt even math related

im just asking for school advice

[haughty bay]

oh wait fr what subject

[shell wasp]

biology

im also struggling in all of my subjects

[haughty bay]

bio really all comes down to understanding

[shell wasp]

the good thing is

lowest exam score will get dropped

i have to take 4 but only 3 counts

[haughty bay]

that is a nice school system

[shell wasp]

for the class

not the entire school

its hard man

[haughty bay]

generally i’d just say review what you’re weakest in as in what questions you get wrong most, and really try understand the lessons you’re taking

[haughty bay]

yea i get that i was really bad in bio too but it really all comes down to the fundamental stuff

if you’re cooked in that then you’re cooked in everything afterwards lol

[shell wasp]

we are learning

hardy weinberg

phylegony statistics

and then we are learning these crazy visual graphs

that are super hard to read or comprehend

[haughty bay]

genetics

[shell wasp]

atleast for me it is

it sucks man

im trying but im just not doing well

:/

[haughty bay]

take a step back and learn it from the start, it’s better to start from scratch than continuing blindly right now (if you are able to)

[shell wasp]

i have never struggled acadeimcally before

until now

[haughty bay]

lol first academic burnout?

it happens dude don’t stress

[shell wasp]

no

its not a burnout

i wish canvas would show the median

but for some reason its not visible

[long hedge]

People be studying hard for jobs ai is going to do

[haughty bay]

it is a tragic, tragic sight

[long hedge]

We are kind of the cooked generation because the generation before us didnt compete with ai for entry lvl jobs nor had oversaturation, and the generation after us will have far better idea of what ai can and cant do

[scenic shuttle]

ai can’t do my job that i plan doing in future

[long hedge]

Being ados assistant ?

[scenic shuttle]

medical imaging

[haughty bay]

i have never thought about that.. why is our generation having it the most difficult

not that it differs for me i am unemployed and not in the process of getting a degree lol

[scenic shuttle]

think god im not studying bio yet

[scenic shuttle]

the only way getting good at biology is memorizing

[haughty bay]

worrying about biology will be the least of your concerns if you are entering medical imaging

[scenic shuttle]

sometimes if u can understand the topic, u will be fine too

[haughty bay]

i’ve heard radiology is brutal

[scenic shuttle]

im sure its some stuff that belongs to human body 🙂

i got biomedical science course next semester and then i have an anatomy course for next year

[haughty bay]

i have big respect to anyone in medicine related fields

[haughty bay]

i wish you luck!

[scenic shuttle]

im not studying medicine actually

it’s biomedical engineering

[haughty bay]

that is even more difficult

medicine and engineering in the same sentence

i would have counted for bio too, but i do think that falls under medicine

[scenic shuttle]

the only difficulty in biomed im finding is morning classes

and 4th floor just for labs

[haughty bay]

a whole workout just to go to classes

[scenic shuttle]

real

[lone tapir]

i have a keen interest in maths and i want to study it , but i dont understand a single thing from my college's teacher and then i go and look up for the topics on the internet and there i get lost and in search of finding where to study from i waste a lot of time and then i start procastinating . ive got finals coming up in 3 weeks and i havent studied anything .

[rocky terrace]

Now imagine 7th floor

[haughty bay]

washboard abs in no time

[worn dove]

Buildings should not have seven floors, tall box shaped buildings are ugly and I want to be able to see the sky without hurting my neck

[long hedge]

just be taller

[glacial raven]

Math study group Ottawa, Canada

Looking for mathematics students and enthusiasts local to ottawa to form a study group. Preferably university level mathematics. If anyone interested, let's discuss

[devout sun]

I like climbing stairs🗿

[royal basin]

i recommend living on the 16th floor of a building or something like that and never using the elevator in that case

[devout sun]

Wouldn't mind that except the problem with living on a higher floor is that if there's a fire you're probably cooked, literally

[long hedge]

If u lived on a higher floor id definitely start a fire

[long hedge]

Bro choose 16 instead of a prime number like 17

[royal basin]

i chose 16 literally because i live on the 16th floor

[royal basin]

if you learn how to cook well then you wont face this problem

[long hedge]

Well i know me and you are going to cook munkres fr

[scenic shuttle]

what kinda uni lvl math r u studying? if ur doing linear algebra i would join u 🙂

[glacial raven]

Well, I have done linear algebra i and ii

[scenic shuttle]

thats fair

what r u doing rn then

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-cat-huh-small-cat-huh-what-gif-2593177363967991691

[main trail]

I'm never going to get why people use AI for math

[heavy needle]

Using noggin is hard, there's no manual

[wispy zephyr]

does anyone actually read user manuals anyway

[main trail]

there's MSE

For people who don't want discord

[heavy needle]

Arch Linux enjoyers

[wispy zephyr]

i feel like the type of people to use genAI are probably very much not the target audience for SE-type sites

[storm tide]

If you don't understand how it works, but rely on the same cues you've always used to estimate whether people are worth listening to, and you’re perhaps a bit swayed by the term "AI" ...

[heavy needle]

Does SE even have a target audience anymore

More like "no good questions exchange" fr

[main trail]

I use it for questions I want an answer to that I've pondered a lot

( not to say I won't get good answers here)

[heavy needle]

Based

[main trail]

My 2nd most upvoted question was basically in essence trying to make sense of an "inner product" over an ordered field

[heavy needle]

Heh lmfao

[main trail]

( bad question I know, sorry)

[heavy needle]

Bad question? Why

[main trail]

It has no practical use.

[heavy needle]

Wrong

Why would it not

[main trail]

I assumed based on this

[heavy needle]

I was just thinking funny because of the scare quotes on inner product

Considering the brave things I've seen people do to their definitions of that term

[main trail]

I used quotes as it's not an inner product in the traditional sense

and you may lose the fact that the inner product maps back to the field of the VS

[heavy needle]

Inner product, as I've learned, is typically reserved for positive definite symmetric bilinear and hermitian sesquilinear forms on Real and Complex vectorspaces

[main trail]

yup, I've learnt a simpler defn, which lead to this question

[main trail]

but basicaly this I think

[heavy needle]

Of course I use it as generally as any nondegenerate symmetric bilinear form on a module

[main trail]

I don't follow

[heavy needle]

Like, no reason why the obvious map on F_2^n isn't an inner product except for your fears

[main trail]

You can't really make sense of an inner product on a finite field IMO

[heavy needle]

Sure you can, it's the same old thing

[main trail]

Because what's positive-definiteness then

[heavy needle]

I didn't say anything about definiteness actually

Definiteness is a condition dropped

[main trail]

then it is possible yea

in my course we call that a semi-inner product

[heavy needle]

But if you need it back, just think of definite as meaning no nonzero null vectors

That's what it means for the corresponding quadratic forms

[storm tide]

That was the impersonal "you", in case it wasn’t clear.

[heavy needle]

I've never heard this term

[main trail]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L-semi-inner_product

[heavy needle]

Gross

[main trail]

We didn't really deal with this much, just came up to remind us that CS doesn't need definiteness

[heavy needle]

Comp Sci?

Conjugate Symmetry?

[main trail]

cauchy schwarz

[heavy needle]

Ah

I can never remember CS, it's the one about the magnitude of the product and the product of the magnitudes or smth right?

[main trail]

$\abs{ \langle x,y \rangle} ≤ \norm{x} \norm{y}$

[mossy shadow]

wai

[heavy needle]

Does that even make sense outside of a euclidean closed field

You need roots and an ordering