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its gotta be c + something
their speeds are given
and it wants me to find the distance that johnathon walks once he overtakes anna
Alright
i konw that
know that
d = c + ...
because he has to surpass the distance of their gap before he reaches her
Well what's the definition of speed?
s = distance / time
That's Anna's distance
Yeah
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Alright Jonathan's distance = pt = ???
yes
Based on the fact that he has to walk the distance c and overtake anna
so then the total distance will be d = c + pt
But pt is Jonathan's distance
so its qt?
Yeah
Since Jonathan walks faster
Exactly
How
this is trippy
Oh ok
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Keep in mind
The time they took is the same for Anna and Jonathan
That's why it's pt = qt + c
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Can someone help me with this question and tell me where I messed up? ;( ig I do understand that the derivative of -cot2x should be cosec²2x/2 instead (right?) but idk how that'd help :( mb if I made a silly mistake im kinda new to integrating/differentiating with trig functions
The derivative of -cot(2x) is not 1/2 cosec(2x)^2 if that's what you wrote
nahh thats not what i did then
i asked my classmate she said thats my mistake but i was like 'that doesnt help either'
i used cosec²2x according to what i proved in part a ig
but its probably wrong
Well it does help, kinda
YEAH i mean obv the correct derivative would help but she said thats the derivative which is not the case according to what u said :p
I see two ways of doing this: change of variable in the integral, or figuring out the antiderivative of cosec²(2x)
I think I'm supposed to do the latter
So it's either the chain rule or the "inverse" of the chain rule
How does the first one work tho
If ur leading me toward u sub idk how to do that yet 😔
Is there a way to solve it without using it
Yes, the second method
then could u tell me where i messed up? ;(
Well, here of course
yeah ikk but idk how to correct it
im kinda ignoring the chain rule here ik
kinda dumb
Can you state the chain rule?
uhh if u have a composite function f(g(x)) then its derivative would be f'(g(x))*g'(x) right
😭
Yes
Exactly
and then u divide two on both sides
BROO 😭
i knew it was smth small
ok i have my answer now
u dont know how happy this makes me tho
this was a fun question
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My Q is it possible to divide and multiply by 2pi*root(1+n^2)
but n must be tending to 0 right
here even 2pi(root (1+n^2)) must be as the new "n" too.. if u get what im saying
It's pretty obvious this is indeterminate
This limit isn't over the reals
It's not
Oh, I should learn to read
can u ans my q
can u also pls
no but i cant divide it by 2pi*root(1+n^2) right?
about this yes, dividing by 2pi sqrt(1 + n^2) won't be useful as you can't use sin(x) / x limit
im just asking not in terms of q
but
lim 2pi(1+n^2)---> 0 must be there right
well that doesn't go to 0
for sin(2pi(1+n^2))/2pi(1+n^2)
right
so im right? that u cant use that here?
I only remember a trick of adding and subtracting n inside sine
he subracts -2pin here.
This does not have a limit …
...?
Look at it. Whatever is inside the sine goes to infinity
this has
a limit
ans is pi.
??
It has a limit, it's sequence not a real function
,, \sin(2\pi n+2\pi(\sqrt{1+n^2}-n))=\sin(2\pi(\sqrt{1+n^2}-n))=\sin(\f{2\pi}{\sqrt{1+n^2}+n})
again 2npi/root(1+n^2) + n must be used as limit right
u r smart
but he divides by the 2pi/root(1+n^2) + n
my doubt is how can u do that as lim 2pi/root(1+n^2) + n --->0 must be there but its n--> inf
@dawn dagger @tender dew
Since this goes to 0 we have that sin(x) ~ x
works but
he divdes here..
and says 1.
which cannot be done right?
Look at the argument inside the sine in the numerator, you have $$\frac{2\pi}{\sqrt{1+n^2} + n}.$$ This obviously goes to zero, agreed?
Peter
Is your issue that he is dividing by 0 or what?
||what a cute problem btw||
@vernal field since n -> infty, that term goes to zero right?
i get it its approx x
that sin theta approx theta for very small theta
but
according to soln i sent
he divides and multiplies by the theta and says its one.
Oh wait..
you say Theta/theta = 1.. so..
ok damn @tender dew @dawn dagger smart as heck
Me when algebra
one doubt tho
here lim n---> inf sintheta/theta (theta smth in terms of n ) it ISNT one right?
It is
in the image you sent, I believe this n (underlined red) shouldn't be there
Yeah you are right
Else it would go to 0 actually
instead of pi
@vernal field
bro howwww
it shd be theta-->0 right
then only it can become one
yes, and theta DOES go to zero
where
$\theta = \frac{2\pi}{\sqrt{1+n^2} + n}$
Peter
im telling not for small theta
i understand this
not for small theta case
like sin(pi/2) for eg
atp just do a sub xd
$\lim_{\theta \to 0} \frac{\sin \theta}{\theta} = 1$
i got thatcleared
Peter
Yes. This is right.
Now say theta = x^2 +1
x isnt small.
now:
Lim x--> infinity (sin theta)/theta
it isnt 1 right
correct, but why do you keep insisting theta doesn't go to zero, when in our cases it does?
i understood prev case, i provided a new case to get clarity.
if theta=x^2+1 then x goes to x²->-1 not infinity
aha, yes then you are correct
i think they meant to ask what happens to sin(x^2 + 1)/(x^2 + 1) when x -> infinity,
oh
anyways, if the original problem is resolved, we can close the channel
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it doesnt go 1 right
no
thx
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,, \abs{\f{\sin(x^2+1)}{x^2+1}} \le \f{1}{x^2+1} \ra 0
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ok in doppler effect:
example ambulance moves past a cyclist then th cyclist is moveing after the ambulace the formula is gonna be
its not gonna matter the ambulance is faster then the cyclist right
since the cyclist is still moving toward the ambulace
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,,y''(x)+9y(x)=0, y(0)=0, y(\pi)=1
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i have problem, how do i find the constants on this one?
i have this:
,,y(x)=c_1cos3x+c_2sin3x
MichaelRafto
MichaelRafto
,,1=-c_1
MichaelRafto
The conditions can't hold at the same time I think
these are correct though, right? this is what i get
Yeah looks like a trick question; original?
for roots $\pm3i$
MichaelRafto
yes
it is from an exercise paper
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are you absolutely sure that it said y(0) = 0 and y(pi) = 1?
aight aight
any sol to this is guaranteed pi/3 periodic and so guaranteed not to satisfy these conditions both at once
can you translate the greek
i can only understand problemata without translation 
and ig the first word says "Characterize"?
ahhhhh yes my bad
wait does this literally only ask you to classify these problems into initial value problems vs. boundary value problems
"Classify the problems as problems with initial values and problems with boundary values"
yes my bad
yeah youre not even asked to solve anything 
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is this a horizontal compression of √x ?
same qu stion with this
i think we use the word "compression" only if the absolute value of the number is < 1
or perhaps <= 1
here sqrt(3) > 1
i didnt understand 😢
"compression" as far as I know, implies you're multiplying by a number c such that -1 <= c <= 1
and if c < -1 or c > 1 I would not call it a compression
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given integers a,b,c satisfying a² + b² = c² prove that abc is even
a)consider various parity cases
b) argue by contradiction
in the first part
obviously if even one of a,b,c is even, the product is even
but then i need to prove that all 3 arent odd
so considering them like (2n+1) and then proving stuff
is that what is meant by considering different parity cases
abc is even onl if one of a,b,c is even
look mod 4
so what you want to show is that its impossible for a,b,c to be odd and a^2 + b^2 = c^2
mhm i get that
but i just wanted to know what they mean by looking at different parity cases
What's wrong on looking mod 4?
unnecessary
simple enough for a one liner
unless you have a proof in one word or sth like that, it cant get much better
the entire proof can be in mod 2 also
oh yh lol
isnt that kind of what u did?
you considered even-odd-odd, odd-odd-odd...
so when im doing it by contradiction tho, its basically the same thing what im doing right
not much of a difference in the main step
I'd say so
same
if you want to avoid unnecessary algebra with that 2n+1 thingy, consider modulo instead
mhm yes got you
though the algebra will work too
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Brushing up on integration. What is the approach to integrating the first term? I know that the other two terms come out to be 4pi and is said to be the volume element, however my book does not discuss the derivation.
i.e. just the integral
$$c_i c_j \int \left(-6\alpha_j + 4\alpha_j^2 r^2 \right) e^{-(\alpha_i + \alpha_j)r^2} ; \dd \vec{r},$$
where $c_i, c_j, \alpha_i,$ and $\alpha_j$ are constants?
haseeb
Yes
dr in exponent 
hmm ok
wait, you said the other terms come out to 4pi. are there bounds on the integral?
i guess im getting confused as to how $\dd \vec{r}$ is supposed to be applied?
Hamp
well, if it is an integral $\dd\vec{r}$, then it's probably a path integral/line integral over some path $C$
haseeb
does the original q have something like "over the unit circle" or "over the triangle connecting the points..."
I dont know if its just the two terms that come out to 4pi but the system is sphereically symmetric. so in the end it comes out be $4 \pi * \int{g(x)} \dd r$
Hamp
where g(x) is our integrand?
The original problem stems from generating this matrix T where $T_{ij}=\int{\phi_i \nabla^2 \phi_j} \dd \vec{r}$
Hamp
g(x)
Hamp
ah ok, but they drop the $\dd\vec{r}$ and replace it with just $\dd r$
haseeb
I had analytical solutions, but I dont know if they were given correctly. T_ij should be a symmetric matrix and my python was giving me an unsymmetric matrix. so i thought it best to derive the analytical
i think because you have that symmetrical $1s^2$ orbital, the values of $\theta$ and $\phi$ "dont matter" in the spherical coords, so you can just reduce this problem to single-variable
haseeb
dont quote me on the physics of it, though
then integrateing wrt r. any tricks needed for the first and 3rd terms?
or is it more or less just straightforward?
$T_{ij} = c_i c_j \int{4 \alpha_j^2 r^2 e^{-(\alpha_1+\alpha_j)r^2} - 6\alpha_j e^{-(\alpha_1+\alpha_j)r^2} + 2/r^2 e^{-\alpha_i r^2} (\frac{\cos{\theta}}{\sin{\theta}^3})} \dd r$
Hamp
looks like IBP + u sub could work for the first two terms (i combined them by factoring the exponential)
you do end up with erf(x) which is
, but from 0 to infinity you should get a nice closed form
no idea for the last term ill be honest, this just seems like a tough integral, probably why they derived it
They all come out to be beautiful curves, but getting there seems to be the trick
if you just wanna check it's symmetric, see if you can show that T_ij = T_ji
truly very nice curves
yeah i checked it via calculator and there doesnt seem to be any amazing trick
assuming real entries*
gotcha. i appriciate it. Ill get those solved out and close this. with an analytical solution they should be. with the given equation they are all over the place which is why im on the adventure. I had originally solved numerically but that has FP errors.
As you can see thats very unsymmetric haha
truly! yeah i think algebraically checking symmetry of your entries should be enough
but i do wonder if the entries are real or complex with just the real part 🤔
because the latter would not be symmetric without the imaginary part
You can close this whenever. I appriciate the help. In theory we allow for psi/phi to be imaginary. technically phi_i is the complex conjugate. but we live in the real world so all functions are real
That is how it has been explained to me
ah ok well that makes life easier
generally the helpee can do .close when they're done, so we dont accidentally cut you off :)
you can do .close
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I need to factoirse and simplify this into -1/B
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im at -17/(17x)^1/2(17(x+h)^1/2((17x)^1/2+(17(x+h)^1/2)
i dont know how to simplify the denominator
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Can u write it down on a paper
At first, add the fractions on numerator, and get a common denominnator and then multiplying both numerator and denominator(of inimtial numerator) with the conjugate of numerator and then u will notice that "h" cancels out. And u get soonething like -1/B ,like u wanted
The common denominator should be sqrt(17x(x+h))
$\frac{\sqrt(x) -\sqrt(x+h)}{
\sqrt(17x(x+h))h}$
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This is what u get b4 multiply with conjugate
The denominator should be this
Sqrt 17 is present jn both fractions, so it's common u dont meed to take it twicw
wait let me think
this through
why is it 17 and not 17x square
wait nvm i see
it
thx a lot
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Can someone help me with this problem? Had to redraw cause i drew all over it
the height is f(2)
width = 5-2. so area is height * width
What would be 6?
area
No it's not
,calc 2^3 - 2 + 7
Result:
13
your height looks incorrect
ok im confused
The height is f(2), not 2
f(2) = 2 plugged into f(x)
oh but why
Because every point on the curve of a function is (x, f(x))
also still dont understands
like i get it but i dont
Result:
39
i see
yes 13 is the correct height
area is 39 then
To draw the curve of a function f, you take all possible x-coordinates and place a point at the corresponding y-coordinate. If the x-coordinate is x, then the y-coordinate is f(x). In your picture, there is a specific point on the curve at x=2, so the y-coordinate is f(2) = 13; that's the height of the rectangle
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I need some help with
- Math 9
- Foundations: Pre Calc 10
- WAM 10
These are the classes I need to graduate and I'd like to pass to get a degree in the future and to set me up for success, can anyone help??
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I tried
you don't seem to have a single message in that channel
that is probably not the best place to ask, considering most people treat that as a general chat
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The overall run time complexity should be O(log (m+n)).``` how does one approach this while keeping the expected time complexity in mind?
Like median of the combined array after merging?
I believe that's a slight overapproximation
What you end up actually getting is O(log(min(m,n)))
Is that a hint
there is no hint given on this one
This is a small hint for what to do
Well what is an algorithm in which log shows up in the time complexity
how is this the same as O(log (m+n))?
It isn't, it's less
i mean there are many
it visits n elements but twice? not 2n; i do not know how to formulate the answer
Okay no
but like, when we use nested loops (both from 0 to < n)
The time complexity of an algorithm is a function that describes how the running time grows with respect to the size of the input n
worst case?
Ehhh not exactly, it's not a CS exclusive term
If a function is O(n²) then it means that
There exists a k such that the function is always smaller than kn²
this is new information
we were always taught this
I'm surprised considering you're taking a DSA course
not in uni
Not even a passing mention of what big O actually is, is weird
Well anyway now you know
So do you see how O(n) is still O(n²)
yeah
And in particular, how O(log(min(m,n))) is still O(log(m+n))
okay, sure, but how did you reach that conclusion?
How did I reach the conclusion that it would be the time complexity I said?
I've done this problem in a course last year lol
yeah
So I remember it from then
fair enough
Anyway back to where we were
What's the first algorithm you think of when you see logarithmic time
Another hint is that you have sorted arrays
also, does this still not mean it is the worst case?
binary search
You can do worst case analysis and give your answer in different ways
Big O is just notation
Good
right
Now is there any way you can think of to use binary search here?
We don't wanna merge and sort, that's too much time
Go ahead
but it is probably incorrect
give me a minute to think of how i am going to write it down
Sure take your time
[1, 2, 3, 4], [15, 26, 37, 48, 59]
so array 1 has 4 elements and array 2 has 5 elements
what we could derive from here is that the median would lie in the bigger array, but, this would not work when both of them contain even number of elements
but what we could conclude is that
That need not be true in general
oh, right
Cuz it never said the arrays are sorted wrt each other
The arrays are only sorted within themselves
is the first step i should be thinking of related to m and n?
What I said earlier about time complexity should be a hint
Also yes, sorry forgot to answer that
this reads to me as, "think of binary search on the smaller array", but i do not get why
binary search only because you said yes
You are correct
right
It's in some sense a simultaneous binary search
eh
God I can't fucking read my own notes, my handwriting was so bad
notes on? this question?
i see
well, back
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If i remember correctly
The median is the average of middle 2 elements if the size is even
Right?
And the value is the middle element if the size is odd?
Depends on what the question asked, maximum time complexity should be O(m+n)?
The crucial thing here is to find the value of the middle indices
Probably not
right
O(log (m+n))
Are you required to find the median of the merged arrays?
Oh wait im wrong
Do you have to merge the arrays and then find the median of that?
would not that result in greater time complexity
But is that the result you are looking for?
sure
I based off this to think
So still
You still wants 2 seperate arrays
And 2 variables i and j
Wait i think that's not O(log(m+n))
i do not want you to tell me what to do directly
that does not help in learning at all
Yeah
I see
But for log complexities, binary search would be the way to go
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Don't tell me this is from leetcode lol
it is
I think you started to use leetcode everyday lol
and how is that relevant here?
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where did the OH go this drawing isnt making sense to me
Do you know what polymerization is?
is joining small monemers to from polymers
Do you know that the condensation of two molecules results in a loss of a molecule of water?
yes
Then that's the answer to your question 😅
These two "pieces" form the H2O molecule that vanishes
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If $G$ is a finite element, and $a \in G$ . Then $o(a) \mid o(G)$
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Consider $H=\langle a \rangle$. Then as $o(H)|o(G)$. and $m=o(H)$, we have $o(a) \mid o(G)$
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G is a finite what?
Yes
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I have no clue how to solve this
I tried taking the sum 4-100 / 97 but that's obviously wrong
first you need to find the number of elements in S
then for each possible value of d (which seems to be between 4 and 98 inclusive) you need to find the number of quintuples that contain that value as their d
I kind of get it
Like d will have 4 for only one quintuple
And 5 for 2
But I can't seem to grasp how to calculate that for higher values?
first you need to find the number of elements in S
did you do this and if so how
Is it 100C5?
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With the a, b, c, d, and e being limited by 20 the number of elements in the set is ~10000
i couldn't do 50 with python unfortunately @manic bison
Yeah it has a lot
It's alr
40 is 4688296 elements
i don't know how to help get the actual number using maths
i'm terrible at combinatorics
It's 100C5 most probably
I'll just ask my teacher later
a can't be 0 and e can't be 100, so the elements to choose from are only 1 to 99
It's not quite 100C5
100C5 is 75m
Do you still want help or is that it
Ok, how many tuples have d=4?
1
No
d = 4 is only once
d has to be greater than 3 others
Are (1,2,3,4,5) and (1,2,3,4,6) the same tuple?
ohhhhhhh
so it'll have 96?
last element of the element
95 mb
94?
No
If we ignore e and only consider 4-tuples (a,b,c,d), how many have d=5?
94 times 4C3?
93 times 5C3
Yeah, can you make a weighted sum?
Yes, that's the number of tuples weighted by d
Yes
Tysm
So what would the sum look like
Summation of something
Can you show the code?
i got 586537416
size = 100
proto_set = [(a, b, c, d, e) for a in range(1, size - 4) for b in range(2, size - 3) for c in range(3, size - 2) for d in range(4, size - 1) for e in range(5, size) if a < b and b < c and c < d and d < e]
print(proto_set.__sizeof__())
__sizeof__() is the size in bytes, just do len(proto_set)
Your answer is about 8 times 99C5 probably because integers are 8 bytes
What are we doing here, the pin doesn't explain anything
nvm i'm stupet
There has to be some sort of trick to do this no
Is ok 
Lemme put some thought into this
And read through the channel
Run the code for a day?
it's not that slow
There's only 71 523 144 tuples, modern computers can do that
i got 99C5 now
What I'm trying to think is, there's only 1 time 99 can occur there
it's correct
@manic bison did you get the solution?
Yeah I got the summation
I'm too tired to finish the solution rn but I'm sure I can solve it now
Ty
Okay
Ah cool
it's crunching now
Have fun
I'll just write the answer down I guess, it's not really a spoiler now
and due to lack of physical RAM i had to change my approach
Random guess, is it like 66.6 or smth
not that far off
66, yes
well
$\frac{1}{\binom{99}{5}} \sum_{d=4}^{98} \binom{d-1}{3} \cdot (99-d) \cdot d$
Nel
...
,w 1/binomial(99,5) * sum_{d=4}^{98} binomial(d-1,3) * (99-d) * d
Unless I made a mistake somewhere
i summed over all d
added them all together
and then i divided by number of elements of S
that is correct right?
Yeah
,w 1/binomial(9,5) * sum_{d=4}^{8} binomial(d-1,3) * (9-d) * d
Is it just 2n/3 in general
i get 8.33333
,w 1/binomial(n,5) * sum_{d=4}^{n-1} binomial(d-1,3) * (n-d) * d

Let's try 7 manually:
(1,2,3,4,5)
(1,2,3,4,6)
(1,2,3,5,6)
(1,2,4,5,6)
(1,3,4,5,6)
(2,3,4,5,6)
6 total, sum of d is 4*2+5*4
,calc (42+54)/6
Result:
4.6666666666667
,calc 2(6+1)/3
Result:
4.6666666666667
Yeah I think I'm correct
hurdur
Oh lmao
Now I'm sure there's a way to simplify this to the 200/3 that WA gives
$\frac{5!(99-5)!}{99!} \sum_{d=4}^{98} \frac{(d-1)!}{3!(d-1-3)!} \cdot (99-d) \cdot d$
Nel
$\frac{5! \cdot 94!}{99!} \sum_{d=0}^{94} \frac{(d+3)!}{3! \cdot d!} \cdot (99-d-4)(d+4)$
Nel
Something like that?
it looks like a sum identity
$\frac{5! \cdot 94!}{99!} \cdot \frac16 \sum_{d=0}^{94} -d^5 + 105 d^4 - 605 d^3 + 1095 d^2 - 594 d$
Nel
me neither
Like each sum has a formula now, but damn the numbers are not fun
i'd rather just use the computer
lol
but then again we can just use the computer to compute the binomials
ok it's done
66,6666666
Oh you were running the code all along
ye to double check i did it correctly
Alright well there isn't much more to it
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So $\sigma X$ simply becomes $\sigma F$
wai
no,
if what you say is true then P(Y <= t) is somehow larger then 1 if sigma is large enough
why not, probability at each point is just multiplied by \sigma , right
what if sigma is very large? then the right side is larger then 1
wai
\sigma cannot be any value now, can it
it can
it can be
now this is correct, is it not
no it is not
still incorrect
okay, then I've understood PMFs and random variables incorrectly
geometrically, what do you expect should happen to the CDF if you increase sigma?
It should widen?
$Y \leq t \iff \sigma X \leq t - \mu \iff X \leq \frac{t - \mu}{\sigma}$
ExpertSqueeSQUEE
yea
the fudge is this bro
whereas you're multiplying F by sigma, which would stretch it vertically
and grow shorter
ooooo
it can't grow shorter, it still has to span (0,1) on the y axis
what is p(i)?
probability of when x=i
ok so what you said is trivially true
so P(X) = P(t-µ/σ)
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(re-post; reason: did not get an answer before) can someone please check where have i gone wrong? this is apparently incorrect but i cannot figure out why
Are you trying to take negation of B6?
Cuz I don't think the negation of P implies Q is not P implies Q
¬(P => Q) = P ∧ ¬Q
which line?
The first
Ofc I'm assuming that you actually wanna write out the negation of B6
Although my sleep meds have started kicking in, so please excuse me if I'm being dumb
(and also if I disappear suddenly, please assumed I crashed out)
B6 is of the form P => Q
So ¬B6 will be of the RHS form
no, it is inside one whole pair of brackets
my formatting is trash
is okay
good night
i wonder if this whole thing can be written neatly with latex
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calculus early transcendental functions 5th robert pdf
say what?
we dont need polar thingy
we can just, use sandwich
i will sandwich you
and use that
e^(u+2). u^2 + v^2 >= u^2 + v^2
Btw you are missing a factor of 9 in the numerator.
WDYM?
what i said
btw what do you do if e^z < 1
i thought e^x > 0
ok, what's your point?
if e^z < 1 then you would scale down y^2
oh, is no guarantee that e^x > 1
yes im stupid
but i think you can still use squeeze theorem locally meaning you can consider a small neighborhood around the origin, so that the inequality holds
If we consider u^2+y^2 =< 1 then e^(u+2) > 1 because the worst u can be is -1
So if you use what I just said, you can then apply polar coordinates and show it goes to 0 easily
it's funny
you just said this
so the min(e^(u+2)) on the disk would be e^(-1+2)=e^1=e>0
how the tables turned
what?
how is u = -1 the minimum of e^(u+2)
you just said e^x is strictly increasing
so is e^(u+2)
and on the disk with radius 1 around the origin, you have u in [-1,1]
so logically, the smallest value (which is u=-1) gives you the minimum e which is positive
so it can only become more positive
,w Plot[Exp[u+2], {u, -1, 1}]
because <= is implication duh
anyways, can you help me accomplish this?
are you planning on using polar coordinates either way?
no (well after the squeeze)
duh i just told you
then you kinda lost it
we lose generality and the limit can approach anything at that point
wdym generality
idk if I am explaining myself correctly
nobody cares what happens with the limit if you are in x=100 and y=-1000
continuity is a local property
funny stuff can happen, as long as we find a safe neighborhood around the origin, we are good
the problem is dat
well i suggested a disk, and it seems to work
how do you know x^2 + y^2 <= 1
you just have to continue and finish the proof, in order to see
because you wanted e^(u+2) >= 1 not e^(u+2) < 1
Only then your upper bound works!
so you think when u+2>=0 which is the case for u>=-2
so even a disk with radius 2 would work
this aspect of proof writing that a limit approaches 0 I dont get it, you are considering specific cases when the disk is radius between 1 and 2
what?
what am I supposed to write?
maybe you ought to understand before you write? ig
you are saying I can still use my upper bound, but only when x^2 + y^2 <= 1
otherwise the inequality falls apart
crazy stuff can happen but we don't care, we can go as close to 0 (or in better terms find a safe neighborhood)
how did you found that x^2 + y^2 <= 1 makes the inequality e^x . y^2 + x^2 >= y^2 + x^2 work?
lets begin from there
dude
and here again
yea
but, I got lost after dat
then you pick a nice neighborhood where u>=-2 for example a disk with radius 1 around the origin satisfies that
u^2+w^2 =< 1
the upper bound is independent of w so a disk is just a simple pick (for a region of interest)
by disk, wdym exactly? like sort of a circle but instead of = r you got that =< r
yea the interior is included
💿
literally a disk
when it comes to limits we only care what happens close enough to the limit
how do you know a disk with radius 1 works
.
..
disks and balls in general are just "nice"
you could also use a square or cubes or whatever (not an expert in extensions)
the upper bound depends on w, because there is a w^2 + u^2 in the denominator
the upper bound only depends on e^(u+2)
the limit depends on w that yes
but for bounding, it all comes down to the factor of e^(u+2)
it all starts with e^(u+2) * w^2 >= w^2
yes
that must be necessarily true, so we make sure e^(u+2)>=1
are there any disks that make the inequality false
well you derived u >= -2
pick any disk with greater radius and you got points for which the inequality fails
but dude, if u -> 0, then e^(u+2) is never between 0 and 1
dude that's the point
but you didnt justify that part
if, you assumed it to be trivially true
"by observation" or what you wrote
radius of a disk cant be negative, correct?
then just pick disk with radius 1
ok sure
then, the upper bound works
yes
what I dont understand is what do we do with u = -2
that's the minimum that e^(u+2) can go without the inequality getting broken
depends on what you choose
choosing a disk with radius 1, then yes
doesn't ever happen
let u < -2 , now pick a disk with radius 1, then the upper bound fails
?
if u<-2 and you pick a disk with radius 1, then u^2+w^2=<u^2+w^2*e^(u+2) is vacuously true (it's meaningless)
you can never have u<-2 and u^2+w^2=<1 at the same time
