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azure bolt
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im not sure how to start

past jay
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Alright

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Can you identify what's given and what the question wants you to find?

azure bolt
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its gotta be c + something

azure bolt
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and it wants me to find the distance that johnathon walks once he overtakes anna

past jay
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Alright

azure bolt
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i konw that

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know that

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d = c + ...

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because he has to surpass the distance of their gap before he reaches her

past jay
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Well what's the definition of speed?

azure bolt
past jay
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Alright

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Rearrange to find distance

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You get distance = speed x time

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Right?

azure bolt
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yeah

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so then d = qt

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where q is annas speed

past jay
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That's Anna's distance

azure bolt
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oh

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so then its pt

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for johnathons distance

sick jay
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Hi

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Hello

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Need help

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Lmao

azure bolt
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yes

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bro read up

past jay
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Yeah

past jay
pearl hull
past jay
azure bolt
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yes

past jay
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Based on the fact that he has to walk the distance c and overtake anna

azure bolt
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so then the total distance will be d = c + pt

past jay
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But pt is Jonathan's distance

azure bolt
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so its qt?

past jay
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Yeah

azure bolt
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wait is it

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pt = c + qt

past jay
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Since Jonathan walks faster

past jay
sick jay
azure bolt
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this is trippy

sick jay
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Oh ok

past jay
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sick jay
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!claim

pearl hull
past jay
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There are plenty so don't worry

azure bolt
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he made 2 channels

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ok thanks vulcan

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past jay
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The time they took is the same for Anna and Jonathan

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That's why it's pt = qt + c

azure bolt
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thanks

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primal owl
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Can someone help me with this question and tell me where I messed up? ;( ig I do understand that the derivative of -cot2x should be cosec²2x/2 instead (right?) but idk how that'd help :( mb if I made a silly mistake im kinda new to integrating/differentiating with trig functions

shell wigeon
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The derivative of -cot(2x) is not 1/2 cosec(2x)^2 if that's what you wrote

primal owl
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i asked my classmate she said thats my mistake but i was like 'that doesnt help either'

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i used cosec²2x according to what i proved in part a ig

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but its probably wrong

shell wigeon
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Well it does help, kinda

primal owl
shell wigeon
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I see two ways of doing this: change of variable in the integral, or figuring out the antiderivative of cosec²(2x)

primal owl
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I think I'm supposed to do the latter

shell wigeon
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So it's either the chain rule or the "inverse" of the chain rule

primal owl
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How does the first one work tho

primal owl
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Is there a way to solve it without using it

shell wigeon
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Yes, the second method

primal owl
shell wigeon
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Well, here of course

primal owl
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im kinda ignoring the chain rule here ik

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kinda dumb

shell wigeon
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Can you state the chain rule?

primal owl
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uhh if u have a composite function f(g(x)) then its derivative would be f'(g(x))*g'(x) right

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😭

shell wigeon
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Yes

primal owl
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Ok yay

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So it should be

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OH

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I GET IT

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I GET ITTT

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2cosec²2x

shell wigeon
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Exactly

primal owl
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and then u divide two on both sides

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BROO 😭

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i knew it was smth small

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ok i have my answer now

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u dont know how happy this makes me tho

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this was a fun question

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vernal field
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My Q is it possible to divide and multiply by 2pi*root(1+n^2)

vernal field
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here even 2pi(root (1+n^2)) must be as the new "n" too.. if u get what im saying

shell wigeon
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It's pretty obvious this is indeterminate

dawn dagger
tender dew
shell wigeon
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Oh, I should learn to read

vernal field
vernal field
dawn dagger
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I don't know the answer

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Only to know there is some trick to this task

vernal field
tender dew
vernal field
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but

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lim 2pi(1+n^2)---> 0 must be there right

tender dew
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well that doesn't go to 0

vernal field
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for sin(2pi(1+n^2))/2pi(1+n^2)

vernal field
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so u cant do it here right

tender dew
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right

vernal field
dawn dagger
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I only remember a trick of adding and subtracting n inside sine

vernal field
brisk iris
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This does not have a limit …

vernal field
brisk iris
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Look at it. Whatever is inside the sine goes to infinity

vernal field
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a limit

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ans is pi.

brisk iris
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??

dawn dagger
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It has a limit, it's sequence not a real function

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,, \sin(2\pi n+2\pi(\sqrt{1+n^2}-n))=\sin(2\pi(\sqrt{1+n^2}-n))=\sin(\f{2\pi}{\sqrt{1+n^2}+n})

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vernal field
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again 2npi/root(1+n^2) + n must be used as limit right

vernal field
vernal field
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but he divides by the 2pi/root(1+n^2) + n
my doubt is how can u do that as lim 2pi/root(1+n^2) + n --->0 must be there but its n--> inf

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@dawn dagger @tender dew

dawn dagger
vernal field
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he divdes here..

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and says 1.

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which cannot be done right?

tender dew
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Look at the argument inside the sine in the numerator, you have $$\frac{2\pi}{\sqrt{1+n^2} + n}.$$ This obviously goes to zero, agreed?

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dawn dagger
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Is your issue that he is dividing by 0 or what?

tender dew
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||what a cute problem btw||

tender dew
vernal field
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that sin theta approx theta for very small theta

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but

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according to soln i sent

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he divides and multiplies by the theta and says its one.

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Oh wait..

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you say Theta/theta = 1.. so..

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ok damn @tender dew @dawn dagger smart as heck

dawn dagger
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Me when algebra

vernal field
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here lim n---> inf sintheta/theta (theta smth in terms of n ) it ISNT one right?

dawn dagger
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It is

tender dew
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in the image you sent, I believe this n (underlined red) shouldn't be there

dawn dagger
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Else it would go to 0 actually

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instead of pi

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@vernal field

vernal field
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it shd be theta-->0 right

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then only it can become one

dawn dagger
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xsin(x)/x² would go still to 1

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because sin(x)~x

tender dew
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where

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$\theta = \frac{2\pi}{\sqrt{1+n^2} + n}$

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vernal field
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im telling not for small theta

vernal field
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not for small theta case

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like sin(pi/2) for eg

tender dew
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I think you are mixing up things

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we have

vernal field
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i got this cleared man

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sin theta approx theta here so 1 comes..

dawn dagger
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atp just do a sub xd

tender dew
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$\lim_{\theta \to 0} \frac{\sin \theta}{\theta} = 1$

vernal field
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i got thatcleared

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vernal field
# grand pond **Peter**

Yes. This is right.
Now say theta = x^2 +1
x isnt small.
now:
Lim x--> infinity (sin theta)/theta

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it isnt 1 right

tender dew
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correct, but why do you keep insisting theta doesn't go to zero, when in our cases it does?

vernal field
dawn dagger
tender dew
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aha, yes then you are correct

dawn dagger
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wait

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it goes to i

tender dew
dawn dagger
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oh

tender dew
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anyways, if the original problem is resolved, we can close the channel

dawn dagger
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ig

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@vernal field

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dawn dagger
vernal field
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dawn dagger
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,, \abs{\f{\sin(x^2+1)}{x^2+1}} \le \f{1}{x^2+1} \ra 0

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inner marsh
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ok in doppler effect:
example ambulance moves past a cyclist then th cyclist is moveing after the ambulace the formula is gonna be

inner marsh
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its not gonna matter the ambulance is faster then the cyclist right

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since the cyclist is still moving toward the ambulace

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inner marsh
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stark tartan
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,,y''(x)+9y(x)=0, y(0)=0, y(\pi)=1

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MichaelRafto

stark tartan
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i have problem, how do i find the constants on this one?

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i have this:

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,,y(x)=c_1cos3x+c_2sin3x

grand pondBOT
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MichaelRafto

stark tartan
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and with the conditions i get:

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,,0=c_1

grand pondBOT
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MichaelRafto

stark tartan
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,,1=-c_1

grand pondBOT
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MichaelRafto

dawn dagger
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The conditions can't hold at the same time I think

stark tartan
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these are correct though, right? this is what i get

shell wigeon
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Yeah looks like a trick question; original?

stark tartan
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for roots $\pm3i$

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MichaelRafto

dawn dagger
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yes

stark tartan
lyric charm
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!original

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lyric charm
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are you absolutely sure that it said y(0) = 0 and y(pi) = 1?

stark tartan
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aight aight

lyric charm
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any sol to this is guaranteed pi/3 periodic and so guaranteed not to satisfy these conditions both at once

stark tartan
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here goes:

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2iii)

lyric charm
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can you translate the greek

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i can only understand problemata without translation KEK

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and ig the first word says "Characterize"?

stark tartan
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ahhhhh yes my bad

lyric charm
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wait does this literally only ask you to classify these problems into initial value problems vs. boundary value problems

stark tartan
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"Classify the problems as problems with initial values and problems with boundary values"

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yes my bad

lyric charm
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yeah youre not even asked to solve anything opencry

stark tartan
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yeah mb imma close now xD

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thorny delta
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is this a horizontal compression of √x ?

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thorny delta
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same qu stion with this

steel crest
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or perhaps <= 1

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here sqrt(3) > 1

steel crest
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"compression" as far as I know, implies you're multiplying by a number c such that -1 <= c <= 1

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and if c < -1 or c > 1 I would not call it a compression

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okk ty

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grave kernel
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given integers a,b,c satisfying a² + b² = c² prove that abc is even
a)consider various parity cases
b) argue by contradiction

in the first part
obviously if even one of a,b,c is even, the product is even
but then i need to prove that all 3 arent odd
so considering them like (2n+1) and then proving stuff
is that what is meant by considering different parity cases

spiral rock
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abc is even onl if one of a,b,c is even

eternal pawn
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look mod 4

spiral rock
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so what you want to show is that its impossible for a,b,c to be odd and a^2 + b^2 = c^2

grave kernel
dreamy lichen
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What's wrong on looking mod 4?

spiral rock
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unnecessary

dreamy lichen
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unless you have a proof in one word or sth like that, it cant get much better

spiral rock
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the entire proof can be in mod 2 also

eternal pawn
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oh yh lol

dreamy lichen
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fair enough

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though its literally 1 + 1 != 1 in both cases

dreamy lichen
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you considered even-odd-odd, odd-odd-odd...

grave kernel
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so when im doing it by contradiction tho, its basically the same thing what im doing right

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not much of a difference in the main step

dreamy lichen
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I'd say so

eternal pawn
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same

dreamy lichen
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if you want to avoid unnecessary algebra with that 2n+1 thingy, consider modulo instead

grave kernel
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mhm yes got you

dreamy lichen
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though the algebra will work too

grave kernel
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right right

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thank yall so much

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trim current
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Brushing up on integration. What is the approach to integrating the first term? I know that the other two terms come out to be 4pi and is said to be the volume element, however my book does not discuss the derivation.

civic lynx
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i.e. just the integral
$$c_i c_j \int \left(-6\alpha_j + 4\alpha_j^2 r^2 \right) e^{-(\alpha_i + \alpha_j)r^2} ; \dd \vec{r},$$
where $c_i, c_j, \alpha_i,$ and $\alpha_j$ are constants?

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haseeb

trim current
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Yes

civic lynx
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dr in exponent KEK

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hmm ok

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wait, you said the other terms come out to 4pi. are there bounds on the integral?

trim current
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i guess im getting confused as to how $\dd \vec{r}$ is supposed to be applied?

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civic lynx
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well, if it is an integral $\dd\vec{r}$, then it's probably a path integral/line integral over some path $C$

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haseeb

civic lynx
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does the original q have something like "over the unit circle" or "over the triangle connecting the points..."

trim current
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I dont know if its just the two terms that come out to 4pi but the system is sphereically symmetric. so in the end it comes out be $4 \pi * \int{g(x)} \dd r$

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civic lynx
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where g(x) is our integrand?

trim current
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The original problem stems from generating this matrix T where $T_{ij}=\int{\phi_i \nabla^2 \phi_j} \dd \vec{r}$

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trim current
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$\phi_{\omega} = c_{\omega}*e^{-\alpha_{\omega}*r^2}$

trim current
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civic lynx
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ah ok, but they drop the $\dd\vec{r}$ and replace it with just $\dd r$

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haseeb

trim current
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I had analytical solutions, but I dont know if they were given correctly. T_ij should be a symmetric matrix and my python was giving me an unsymmetric matrix. so i thought it best to derive the analytical

civic lynx
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i think because you have that symmetrical $1s^2$ orbital, the values of $\theta$ and $\phi$ "dont matter" in the spherical coords, so you can just reduce this problem to single-variable

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haseeb

civic lynx
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dont quote me on the physics of it, though

trim current
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then integrateing wrt r. any tricks needed for the first and 3rd terms?

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or is it more or less just straightforward?

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$T_{ij} = c_i c_j \int{4 \alpha_j^2 r^2 e^{-(\alpha_1+\alpha_j)r^2} - 6\alpha_j e^{-(\alpha_1+\alpha_j)r^2} + 2/r^2 e^{-\alpha_i r^2} (\frac{\cos{\theta}}{\sin{\theta}^3})} \dd r$

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civic lynx
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looks like IBP + u sub could work for the first two terms (i combined them by factoring the exponential)

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you do end up with erf(x) which is sully, but from 0 to infinity you should get a nice closed form

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no idea for the last term ill be honest, this just seems like a tough integral, probably why they derived it

trim current
civic lynx
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truly very nice curves mathgtmheart yeah i checked it via calculator and there doesnt seem to be any amazing trick

trim current
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gotcha. i appriciate it. Ill get those solved out and close this. with an analytical solution they should be. with the given equation they are all over the place which is why im on the adventure. I had originally solved numerically but that has FP errors.

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As you can see thats very unsymmetric haha

civic lynx
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truly! yeah i think algebraically checking symmetry of your entries should be enough

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but i do wonder if the entries are real or complex with just the real part 🤔

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because the latter would not be symmetric without the imaginary part

trim current
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You can close this whenever. I appriciate the help. In theory we allow for psi/phi to be imaginary. technically phi_i is the complex conjugate. but we live in the real world so all functions are real

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That is how it has been explained to me

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ah ok well that makes life easier

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generally the helpee can do .close when they're done, so we dont accidentally cut you off :)

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oblique smelt
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I need to factoirse and simplify this into -1/B

surreal moon
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!status

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surreal moon
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!show

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oblique smelt
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im at -17/(17x)^1/2(17(x+h)^1/2((17x)^1/2+(17(x+h)^1/2)

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i dont know how to simplify the denominator

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zenith snow
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At first, add the fractions on numerator, and get a common denominnator and then multiplying both numerator and denominator(of inimtial numerator) with the conjugate of numerator and then u will notice that "h" cancels out. And u get soonething like -1/B ,like u wanted

oblique smelt
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@zenith snow

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There s still the 17 left

zenith snow
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The common denominator should be sqrt(17x(x+h))

oblique smelt
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give me a sec

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It gives me this

zenith snow
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$\frac{\sqrt(x) -\sqrt(x+h)}{
\sqrt(17x(x+h))h}$

grand pondBOT
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Victimizer

zenith snow
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This is what u get b4 multiply with conjugate

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The denominator should be this

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Sqrt 17 is present jn both fractions, so it's common u dont meed to take it twicw

oblique smelt
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wait let me think

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this through

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why is it 17 and not 17x square

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wait nvm i see

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it

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thx a lot

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opal hollow
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Can someone help me with this problem? Had to redraw cause i drew all over it

opal hollow
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I do know that we can use the intersection

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But i kinda dont know how

fallow scarab
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width = 5-2. so area is height * width

opal hollow
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oh

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bruh

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itcant be 6 tho

shell wigeon
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What would be 6?

opal hollow
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area

shell wigeon
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No it's not

fallow scarab
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,calc 2^3 - 2 + 7

grand pondBOT
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Result:

13
fallow scarab
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your height looks incorrect

opal hollow
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ok im confused

shell wigeon
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The height is f(2), not 2

fallow scarab
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f(2) = 2 plugged into f(x)

opal hollow
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oh but why

shell wigeon
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Because every point on the curve of a function is (x, f(x))

fallow scarab
opal hollow
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hm

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im have 3 *13

opal hollow
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like i get it but i dont

fallow scarab
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,calc 3 * 13

grand pondBOT
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Result:

39
opal hollow
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i doesnt

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this is a new asnwer

fallow scarab
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i see

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opal hollow
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area is 39 then

shell wigeon
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To draw the curve of a function f, you take all possible x-coordinates and place a point at the corresponding y-coordinate. If the x-coordinate is x, then the y-coordinate is f(x). In your picture, there is a specific point on the curve at x=2, so the y-coordinate is f(2) = 13; that's the height of the rectangle

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ohhh

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I tried

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I tried in the discussion 1

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The overall run time complexity should be O(log (m+n)).``` how does one approach this while keeping the expected time complexity in mind?
bold peak
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Like median of the combined array after merging?

proud abyss
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yeah

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i do not exactly get how we get (or calculate?) O(log (m+n)) too

bold peak
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I believe that's a slight overapproximation

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What you end up actually getting is O(log(min(m,n)))

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Is that a hint

proud abyss
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there is no hint given on this one

bold peak
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I remember doing this exact problem for a course I took last year

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No mo

bold peak
proud abyss
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well

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right

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so from what i already know

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actually never mind

bold peak
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Well what is an algorithm in which log shows up in the time complexity

proud abyss
bold peak
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It isn't, it's less

proud abyss
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i mean there are many

bold peak
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Wait just one moment

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You realize that O(n) is also O(n²) right

proud abyss
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no?

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how so?

bold peak
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Well

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What does it mean for a function to have O(n²) time complexity

proud abyss
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it visits n elements but twice? not 2n; i do not know how to formulate the answer

bold peak
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Okay no

proud abyss
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but like, when we use nested loops (both from 0 to < n)

bold peak
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You have a very very preliminary understanding of time complexity

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And that's fine

proud abyss
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no wait

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i know this one

bold peak
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Take your time

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Maybe recall the definition

proud abyss
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The time complexity of an algorithm is a function that describes how the running time grows with respect to the size of the input n

bold peak
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That's what time complexity is yeah

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What does big O notation mean

proud abyss
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worst case?

bold peak
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Ehhh not exactly, it's not a CS exclusive term

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If a function is O(n²) then it means that

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There exists a k such that the function is always smaller than kn²

proud abyss
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this is new information

proud abyss
bold peak
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I'm surprised considering you're taking a DSA course

proud abyss
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not in uni

bold peak
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Not even a passing mention of what big O actually is, is weird

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Well anyway now you know

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So do you see how O(n) is still O(n²)

proud abyss
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yeah

bold peak
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And in particular, how O(log(min(m,n))) is still O(log(m+n))

proud abyss
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okay, sure, but how did you reach that conclusion?

bold peak
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How did I reach the conclusion that it would be the time complexity I said?

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I've done this problem in a course last year lol

proud abyss
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yeah

bold peak
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So I remember it from then

proud abyss
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fair enough

bold peak
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Anyway back to where we were

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What's the first algorithm you think of when you see logarithmic time

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Another hint is that you have sorted arrays

proud abyss
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binary search

bold peak
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Big O is just notation

bold peak
proud abyss
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right

bold peak
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Now is there any way you can think of to use binary search here?

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We don't wanna merge and sort, that's too much time

proud abyss
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well

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i have an approach

bold peak
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Go ahead

proud abyss
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but it is probably incorrect

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give me a minute to think of how i am going to write it down

bold peak
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Sure take your time

proud abyss
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[1, 2, 3, 4], [15, 26, 37, 48, 59]

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so array 1 has 4 elements and array 2 has 5 elements

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what we could derive from here is that the median would lie in the bigger array, but, this would not work when both of them contain even number of elements

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but what we could conclude is that

bold peak
proud abyss
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oh, right

bold peak
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Cuz it never said the arrays are sorted wrt each other

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The arrays are only sorted within themselves

proud abyss
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is the first step i should be thinking of related to m and n?

bold peak
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What I said earlier about time complexity should be a hint

bold peak
proud abyss
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binary search only because you said yes

proud abyss
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right

bold peak
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It's in some sense a simultaneous binary search

proud abyss
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eh

bold peak
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God I can't fucking read my own notes, my handwriting was so bad

proud abyss
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notes on? this question?

bold peak
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Yes

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Well not notes, the solution I wrote a year ago

proud abyss
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i see

bold peak
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The key idea is to sort of

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Place the two arrays on top of each other

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And cut

proud abyss
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i do not follow

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also, i will be back

bold peak
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I might be gone when you're back

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But see ya

proud abyss
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well, back

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lusty python
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The median is the average of middle 2 elements if the size is even

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Right?

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And the value is the middle element if the size is odd?

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Depends on what the question asked, maximum time complexity should be O(m+n)?

lusty python
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Probably not

proud abyss
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right

lusty python
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Are you required to find the median of the merged arrays?

lusty python
lusty python
proud abyss
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would not that result in greater time complexity

lusty python
proud abyss
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sure

lusty python
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Im thinking of two pointer algorithm

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Don't know if it works

lusty python
lusty python
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You still wants 2 seperate arrays

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And 2 variables i and j

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Wait i think that's not O(log(m+n))

proud abyss
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i do not want you to tell me what to do directly

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that does not help in learning at all

lusty python
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But for log complexities, binary search would be the way to go

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i think i will take a break and close this for now

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it is

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where did the OH go this drawing isnt making sense to me

sudden yacht
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Do you know what polymerization is?

night gyro
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is joining small monemers to from polymers

sudden yacht
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Do you know that the condensation of two molecules results in a loss of a molecule of water?

night gyro
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yes

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Then that's the answer to your question 😅

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If $G$ is a finite element, and $a \in G$ . Then $o(a) \mid o(G)$
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Consider $H=\langle a \rangle$. Then as $o(H)|o(G)$. and $m=o(H)$, we have $o(a) \mid o(G)$

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!original

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I had a brain fart while typing it

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Finite group

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I have no clue how to solve this

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manic bison
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I tried taking the sum 4-100 / 97 but that's obviously wrong

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first you need to find the number of elements in S

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then for each possible value of d (which seems to be between 4 and 98 inclusive) you need to find the number of quintuples that contain that value as their d

manic bison
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Like d will have 4 for only one quintuple

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And 5 for 2

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But I can't seem to grasp how to calculate that for higher values?

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first you need to find the number of elements in S
did you do this and if so how

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Is it 100C5?

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vague seal
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With the a, b, c, d, and e being limited by 20 the number of elements in the set is ~10000

vague seal
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i couldn't do 50 with python unfortunately @manic bison

vague seal
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40 is 4688296 elements

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i don't know how to help get the actual number using maths

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i'm terrible at combinatorics

manic bison
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I'll just ask my teacher later

shell wigeon
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a can't be 0 and e can't be 100, so the elements to choose from are only 1 to 99

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It's not quite 100C5

manic bison
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Oh yeah my bad

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99C5 then

vague seal
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100C5 is 75m

shell wigeon
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Do you still want help or is that it

manic bison
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So yeah

shell wigeon
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Ok, how many tuples have d=4?

manic bison
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1

shell wigeon
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No

vague seal
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d = 4 is only once

manic bison
shell wigeon
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Are (1,2,3,4,5) and (1,2,3,4,6) the same tuple?

manic bison
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ohhhhhhh

vague seal
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wait ofcourse

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only the last element has that property

manic bison
vague seal
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last element of the element

shell wigeon
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5 to 99 for e

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No it's not 96

manic bison
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95 mb

shell wigeon
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Yes

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How many tuples have d=5?

manic bison
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94?

shell wigeon
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No

manic bison
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Or could be more

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Because a, b, c can have other values

shell wigeon
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If we ignore e and only consider 4-tuples (a,b,c,d), how many have d=5?

manic bison
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94 times 4C3?

shell wigeon
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Ok yes

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How about d=6

manic bison
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93 times 5C3

shell wigeon
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Yeah, can you make a weighted sum?

manic bison
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Oh wait yeah

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For d=6 it'll be 6x93x5C3 i think

shell wigeon
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Yes, that's the number of tuples weighted by d

manic bison
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Oh wait yeah I got it now

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We can take the sum and divide by total

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Total elements

shell wigeon
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Yes

manic bison
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Tysm

shell wigeon
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So what would the sum look like

vague seal
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i don't get 99C5 when i do it using python

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for all elements of S

manic bison
shell wigeon
vague seal
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i got 586537416

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size = 100
proto_set = [(a, b, c, d, e) for a in range(1, size - 4) for b in range(2, size - 3) for c in range(3, size - 2) for d in range(4, size - 1) for e in range(5, size) if a < b and b < c and c < d and d < e]
print(proto_set.__sizeof__())
shell wigeon
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__sizeof__() is the size in bytes, just do len(proto_set)

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Your answer is about 8 times 99C5 probably because integers are 8 bytes

bold peak
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What are we doing here, the pin doesn't explain anything

shell wigeon
vague seal
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nvm i'm stupet

bold peak
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There has to be some sort of trick to do this no

shell wigeon
bold peak
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Lemme put some thought into this

vague seal
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i was just gonna sum up all d's and divide by number of elements

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and see

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lol

bold peak
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And read through the channel

bold peak
vague seal
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it's not that slow

shell wigeon
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There's only 71 523 144 tuples, modern computers can do that

vague seal
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i got 99C5 now

bold peak
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What I'm trying to think is, there's only 1 time 99 can occur there

vague seal
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it's correct

bold peak
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Only 2 times for 98

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Wait no nvm

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I'm stupid

shell wigeon
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@manic bison did you get the solution?

manic bison
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I'm too tired to finish the solution rn but I'm sure I can solve it now

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Ty

shell wigeon
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Okay

bold peak
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Ah cool

vague seal
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it's crunching now

bold peak
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Have fun

vague seal
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the value of D

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i did it terribly the first attempt

shell wigeon
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I'll just write the answer down I guess, it's not really a spoiler now

vague seal
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and due to lack of physical RAM i had to change my approach

bold peak
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Random guess, is it like 66.6 or smth

vague seal
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not that far off

shell wigeon
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66, yes

vague seal
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well

shell wigeon
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$\frac{1}{\binom{99}{5}} \sum_{d=4}^{98} \binom{d-1}{3} \cdot (99-d) \cdot d$

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bold peak
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...

vague seal
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really?

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i got 83.33333333

bold peak
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I was making a devil's number joke

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Fuck me

shell wigeon
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,w 1/binomial(99,5) * sum_{d=4}^{98} binomial(d-1,3) * (99-d) * d

shell wigeon
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Unless I made a mistake somewhere

vague seal
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i summed over all d

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added them all together

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and then i divided by number of elements of S

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that is correct right?

shell wigeon
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Yeah

vague seal
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can you calculate for 10

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instead of 100

shell wigeon
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,w 1/binomial(9,5) * sum_{d=4}^{8} binomial(d-1,3) * (9-d) * d

bold peak
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Is it just 2n/3 in general

vague seal
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i get 8.33333

bold peak
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,w 1/binomial(n,5) * sum_{d=4}^{n-1} binomial(d-1,3) * (n-d) * d

bold peak
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It is apparently

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Wow

shell wigeon
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Let's try 7 manually:
(1,2,3,4,5)
(1,2,3,4,6)
(1,2,3,5,6)
(1,2,4,5,6)
(1,3,4,5,6)
(2,3,4,5,6)

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6 total, sum of d is 4*2+5*4

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,calc (42+54)/6

grand pondBOT
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Result:

4.6666666666667
shell wigeon
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,calc 2(6+1)/3

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Result:

4.6666666666667
vague seal
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i know what happened

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i did elem[4]

shell wigeon
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Yeah I think I'm correct

vague seal
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hurdur

shell wigeon
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Oh lmao

shell wigeon
vague seal
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100%

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using factorials probably

shell wigeon
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$\frac{5!(99-5)!}{99!} \sum_{d=4}^{98} \frac{(d-1)!}{3!(d-1-3)!} \cdot (99-d) \cdot d$

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$\frac{5! \cdot 94!}{99!} \sum_{d=0}^{94} \frac{(d+3)!}{3! \cdot d!} \cdot (99-d-4)(d+4)$

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shell wigeon
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Something like that?

vague seal
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it looks like a sum identity

shell wigeon
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$\frac{5! \cdot 94!}{99!} \cdot \frac16 \sum_{d=0}^{94} -d^5 + 105 d^4 - 605 d^3 + 1095 d^2 - 594 d$

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shell wigeon
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I guess you can do that

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I probably don't know enough tricks

vague seal
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me neither

shell wigeon
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Like each sum has a formula now, but damn the numbers are not fun

vague seal
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i'd rather just use the computer

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lol

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but then again we can just use the computer to compute the binomials

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ok it's done

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66,6666666

shell wigeon
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Oh you were running the code all along

vague seal
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ye to double check i did it correctly

shell wigeon
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Alright well there isn't much more to it

vague seal
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kreutzer got it anyways

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twilit field
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So $\sigma X$ simply becomes $\sigma F$

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spiral rock
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no,

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if what you say is true then P(Y <= t) is somehow larger then 1 if sigma is large enough

twilit field
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why not, probability at each point is just multiplied by \sigma , right

spiral rock
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no

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the value of the random variable is multiplied by sigma

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not the same

twilit field
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yes

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and $P(X=i) = \sigma p(i)$

spiral rock
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what if sigma is very large? then the right side is larger then 1

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twilit field
tender dew
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it can

spiral rock
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it can be

twilit field
tender dew
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no it is not

spiral rock
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still incorrect

twilit field
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okay, then I've understood PMFs and random variables incorrectly

nova yoke
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geometrically, what do you expect should happen to the CDF if you increase sigma?

spiral rock
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$Y \leq t \iff \sigma X \leq t - \mu \iff X \leq \frac{t - \mu}{\sigma}$

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ExpertSqueeSQUEE

nova yoke
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yea

quiet verge
nova yoke
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whereas you're multiplying F by sigma, which would stretch it vertically

twilit field
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and grow shorter

quiet verge
nova yoke
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it can't grow shorter, it still has to span (0,1) on the y axis

twilit field
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yeaa

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but $P(X=i)=p(i), right

spiral rock
twilit field
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probability of when x=i

spiral rock
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ok so what you said is trivially true

twilit field
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oh, I see my mistake

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I thought X was P(X) 😭

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(re-post; reason: did not get an answer before) can someone please check where have i gone wrong? this is apparently incorrect but i cannot figure out why

bold peak
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Are you trying to take negation of B6?

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Cuz I don't think the negation of P implies Q is not P implies Q

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¬(P => Q) = P ∧ ¬Q

proud abyss
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which line?

bold peak
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The first

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Ofc I'm assuming that you actually wanna write out the negation of B6

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Although my sleep meds have started kicking in, so please excuse me if I'm being dumb

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(and also if I disappear suddenly, please assumed I crashed out)

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proud abyss
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my formatting is trash

bold peak
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Oh I'm being dumb then got it

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Gonna blame the sleeping meds for that one opencry

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is okay

bold peak
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Anyway yea I'll leave this to someone else, imma sleep

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Good night, and good luck!

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good night

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i wonder if this whole thing can be written neatly with latex

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tidal turret
midnight plankBOT
tidal turret
rapid violet
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calculus early transcendental functions 5th robert pdf

tidal turret
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we dont need polar thingy

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we can just, use sandwich

dawn dagger
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i will sandwich you

tidal turret
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and use that
e^(u+2). u^2 + v^2 >= u^2 + v^2

visual panther
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Btw you are missing a factor of 9 in the numerator.

dawn dagger
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That's actually dumb btw

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just made it worse

grand pondBOT
dawn dagger
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The numerator can never become 0 in fact

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so you could squeeze that expression too

tidal turret
tidal turret
dawn dagger
dawn dagger
tidal turret
dawn dagger
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ok, what's your point?

tidal turret
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I mean its strictly increasing

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the range of f(x) = e^x, do you know it?

dawn dagger
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if e^z < 1 then you would scale down y^2

tidal turret
tidal turret
dawn dagger
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but i think you can still use squeeze theorem locally meaning you can consider a small neighborhood around the origin, so that the inequality holds

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If we consider u^2+y^2 =< 1 then e^(u+2) > 1 because the worst u can be is -1

tidal turret
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but

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how?

dawn dagger
# tidal turret

So if you use what I just said, you can then apply polar coordinates and show it goes to 0 easily

dawn dagger
dawn dagger
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so the min(e^(u+2)) on the disk would be e^(-1+2)=e^1=e>0

dawn dagger
tidal turret
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how is u = -1 the minimum of e^(u+2)

dawn dagger
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you just said e^x is strictly increasing

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so is e^(u+2)

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and on the disk with radius 1 around the origin, you have u in [-1,1]

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so logically, the smallest value (which is u=-1) gives you the minimum e which is positive

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so it can only become more positive

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,w Plot[Exp[u+2], {u, -1, 1}]

tidal turret
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<=

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why you use =<

dawn dagger
tidal turret
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are you planning on using polar coordinates either way?

dawn dagger
dawn dagger
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then you kinda lost it

tidal turret
dawn dagger
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wdym generality

tidal turret
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idk if I am explaining myself correctly

dawn dagger
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nobody cares what happens with the limit if you are in x=100 and y=-1000

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continuity is a local property

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funny stuff can happen, as long as we find a safe neighborhood around the origin, we are good

tidal turret
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the problem is dat

dawn dagger
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well i suggested a disk, and it seems to work

tidal turret
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how do you know x^2 + y^2 <= 1

dawn dagger
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you just have to continue and finish the proof, in order to see

dawn dagger
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Only then your upper bound works!

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so you think when u+2>=0 which is the case for u>=-2

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so even a disk with radius 2 would work

tidal turret
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this aspect of proof writing that a limit approaches 0 I dont get it, you are considering specific cases when the disk is radius between 1 and 2

dawn dagger
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what?

tidal turret
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what am I supposed to write?

dawn dagger
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maybe you ought to understand before you write? ig

tidal turret
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you are saying I can still use my upper bound, but only when x^2 + y^2 <= 1

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otherwise the inequality falls apart

dawn dagger
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crazy stuff can happen but we don't care, we can go as close to 0 (or in better terms find a safe neighborhood)

dawn dagger
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what's the problem with that?

tidal turret
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how did you found that x^2 + y^2 <= 1 makes the inequality e^x . y^2 + x^2 >= y^2 + x^2 work?

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lets begin from there

dawn dagger
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dude

dawn dagger
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read from there

dawn dagger
tidal turret
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I see

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e^(u+2) >=1 <=> u+2 >= ln(1) <
=> u >= -2

dawn dagger
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yea

tidal turret
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but, I got lost after dat

dawn dagger
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then you pick a nice neighborhood where u>=-2 for example a disk with radius 1 around the origin satisfies that

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u^2+w^2 =< 1

dawn dagger
# tidal turret

the upper bound is independent of w so a disk is just a simple pick (for a region of interest)

tidal turret
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by disk, wdym exactly? like sort of a circle but instead of = r you got that =< r

dawn dagger
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yea the interior is included

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💿

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literally a disk

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when it comes to limits we only care what happens close enough to the limit

tidal turret
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how do you know a disk with radius 1 works

dawn dagger
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disks and balls in general are just "nice"

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you could also use a square or cubes or whatever (not an expert in extensions)

tidal turret
# dawn dagger ..

the upper bound depends on w, because there is a w^2 + u^2 in the denominator

dawn dagger
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the upper bound only depends on e^(u+2)

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the limit depends on w that yes

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but for bounding, it all comes down to the factor of e^(u+2)

dawn dagger
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it all starts with e^(u+2) * w^2 >= w^2

tidal turret
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yes

dawn dagger
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the rest are equivalences

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or derivations

dawn dagger
tidal turret
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are there any disks that make the inequality false

dawn dagger
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well you derived u >= -2

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pick any disk with greater radius and you got points for which the inequality fails

tidal turret
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but dude, if u -> 0, then e^(u+2) is never between 0 and 1

dawn dagger
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dude that's the point

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but you didnt justify that part

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if, you assumed it to be trivially true

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"by observation" or what you wrote

tidal turret
dawn dagger
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yes

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you literally have a sum of squares

tidal turret
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then just pick disk with radius 1

dawn dagger
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ok sure

tidal turret
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then, the upper bound works

dawn dagger
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yes

tidal turret
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what I dont understand is what do we do with u = -2

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that's the minimum that e^(u+2) can go without the inequality getting broken

dawn dagger
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then you have equality

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u^2+w^2=u^2+w^2*e^0

tidal turret
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yes

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we are never using it

dawn dagger
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depends on what you choose

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choosing a disk with radius 1, then yes

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doesn't ever happen

tidal turret
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let u < -2 , now pick a disk with radius 1, then the upper bound fails

dawn dagger
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bro it doesn't even make sense

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the disk has never values of u, smaller than -2

tidal turret
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true

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is centered at origin

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lowest value of u is 0

dawn dagger
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?

dawn dagger
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you can never have u<-2 and u^2+w^2=<1 at the same time