| Big Suggestion | Config Creator Mode

[graceful lichen]

Features :
• Whitelisting for specific cofl accounts

• A dashboard to look at the people who flip with it

• A webhook for bug reports (Or weekly profit statistics of the users)

• From the website releases. (Just like a button that says, "whitelist release" or something) which will automatically import the newly released config of the "Creator" (This can be turned off for the users)

• And some of the features in the image
(user count, filter by etc)

[cedar plank]

That’s probally too much effort for akwav

But I like the idea

[graceful lichen]

That's why I said (Big suggestion) But it might be possible

[wet quarry]

Even just whitelisting would be massive

[graceful lichen]

True, but definitely worth it.

[cedar plank]

Isnt akwav against paid configs

[graceful lichen]

Can also just be a config for friends, not paid

[wet quarry]

It brings cofl more money

[kind knot]

if @autumn yacht is okay with it, I probably won't mind help make it

[cedar plank]

U need to ask ragult since he is in charge of like website ui and shit

[kind knot]

yea ik, but first akwav needs to be onboard

since it’ll need backend work

[cedar plank]

Yeah true

[autumn yacht]

So, the most important part is being able to invite people to your config (the creator adding people to it)
If the user then accepts that invite you can see their stats and they get updated config?

[versed ingot]

hey ekwav can you fix the problem with the baited items

theres like 5 people listing 30 fake flips

in one refresh

and its quite annoyig

[dense adder]

^ 😭

[versed ingot]

its very annoying

[graceful lichen]

That and being able to update send the update without it being a file but rather through the website.

[cedar plank]

Make sure to make it people can’t export the config so people can’t leak it or smthing

[elder anvil]

What if someone owns multiple configs

[graceful lichen]

This is a example but it would be cool if they could select a config out of like a list

[elder anvil]

Yeah

So like a whitelisted cloud config or something like that?

[graceful lichen]

Exactly

[graceful lichen]

Example
Page name = joined configs
Then have stuff like "what config would you like to use?"
Then you can select out of the configs your whitelisted in
Or make your own (Joined config/Group)

[chrome abyss]

Fire idea

[cedar plank]

15 upvotes in 20 mins 🔥🔥

[dense adder]

Hypothetically if someone were to be running multiple accounts, how would that work? Would the config owner have to add these extra accounts?

[wet quarry]

Yes

[autumn yacht]

what to fix about that, do /cofl set modtempBlacklistSpam true

[graceful lichen]

Basically yea

[autumn yacht]

I would just make it sync when starting the connection

[graceful lichen]

and if your "selling" a config you will just have to sell a "whitelist slot" I guess

[cedar plank]

They can lie

[wet quarry]

What about free configs

well ig you can still have the file upload option

although

ig you can't export whitelisted configs then

Are you able to edit them?

[cedar plank]

That’s means you can’t change config in mobile 😭😭

[graceful lichen]

Mhhh

[wet quarry]

Wdym

[cedar plank]

If ur using baf

I sometime change through configs

On my phone

[autumn yacht]

settings are tied to an google account id - like your minecraft accounts are

[wet quarry]

People have multiple cofl accounts though

[graceful lichen]

I guess that would be possible, and as I said with the "bug report" you can change your "edited" config to not auto update

[cedar plank]

Guess you have to buy 1 per cofl acc

[graceful lichen]

What if they are joinable with a code?
So either whitelist or via a code

[wet quarry]

or you could have a file option still exist and not allow exporting whitelisted configs

[dense adder]

That's my current situation. I have 4 accounts with prem+

[graceful lichen]

Honestly, That sounds exactly how it should lol

[autumn yacht]

do they?
why?

[wet quarry]

If you have multiple accounts

[dense adder]

To flip on multiple accounts at the same time

[wet quarry]

and want to flip on them at the same time

[dense adder]

^

[cedar plank]

Your downbad for coins if u flip on multiple accs at once

[dense adder]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/918144158714179604.webp?size=48&name=shrug&quality=lossless

[graceful lichen]

Summarized

• Being able to whitelist cofl accounts for a joined/group config
• Being able to join a joined/group config with a code
• As @elder anvil said a "cloud config" updater (preferably with a button) Which will give people a message if they want to update, or they can turn on that it always auto updates and not show a message
  (or it can be disabled to not show the message and not update if someone has a few edits to the current version which they don't want to have been overwritten)
• Bug Report (Being the changes that happened with "The new update for the config"

? What if someone owns multiple configs
idea

Then have stuff like "what config would you like to use?"
Then you can select out of the configs your whitelisted in
Or make your own (Joined config/Group)```

*For the "Creator"*
- A dashboard like the image this image
- Being able to set a webhook for like their server or just information about statistics etc
- Being able to whitelist people or create a code for the config for people to join

*^^^ This is basically the current idea. Tell me if there are any flaws or something*

[elder anvil]

what about if something similar to github have a changelog with all the configs and it shows what was changed in case someone doesn't want to add in their updates to the old version of a config

[graceful lichen]

The bug report that I mentioned in other words is like the changelog yea

[elder anvil]

ah

didn't quite understand that

[coral kelp]

Would the user be allowed to change things in the config and see what is in the config after it's imported?

[graceful lichen]

3rd sentence

[graceful lichen]

.

[coral kelp]

Alright good, otherwise it could be used maliciously

Though an auto updater would add that concern

[wet quarry]

Ok there could be a notifcation saying "Hey, the config you own has been updated. Would you like to update?" Then a button for yes, no, and one to see the changes

[elder anvil]

auto update setting (can be toggeld)

[floral vault]

Good

[mental cosmos]

What about not being able to see settings to copy the config? If you make it so they cant see the settings how would they know the config is good or bad just by rep?

if they can see settings they can just chose the same settings when making a config no?

[graceful lichen]

You can still see the filters and edit them, just not export.
Also if something has good rep, it will most likely be good otherwise why tf would anyone rep?

[mental cosmos]

True but if you can see the filters they can just copy the filters to another config no?

[autumn yacht]

You can also see all of the skycofl code and didn't copy it, or did you?

[mental cosmos]

But cofl needs api? We cant access it no?

[autumn yacht]

What API?

[mental cosmos]

We cant access the servers if u dont buy it no? Im dumb not api

I meant servers

[autumn yacht]

You can access the Hypixel API basically as much as I can

[mental cosmos]

not api yeah just the cofl servers

is it not @autumn yacht ?

if i can access it sure ill copy it :3

[autumn yacht]

Actually where would you copy it to, you can only see your current config

[mental cosmos]

Oh yeah true

[graceful lichen]

I guess you have to get access to edit it. I will think of a solution on how to solve this when im home.

[frail summit]

Im for it but maybe you don't need the usernames, that feels more of a privacy concern imo

[graceful lichen]

Cofl account. It’s email not username

[elder anvil]

You whitelist ign then it whitelists the email associated with the ign

[autumn yacht]

^ as with sending CoflCoins

[graceful lichen]

mhhh

Chatgpt cooked
That is true, but what if we add a like (Specify what the users can see) setting, to see the exact filters per item, or a few but not all or whatever. Which you can get from the creator. And also, who would want to add (for me) 1100 filters? That would quite literally take them a day

To keep it not 100% revealed but (mostly) revealed

[cedar plank]

Realistically who is gonna actually do that

[mental cosmos]

Idk but someone will ppl have some patience to not pay 7$ for a config

[autumn yacht]

and then they do it all again when you update it?

[mental cosmos]

probably not

[silver gull]

config selling is just a bad concept

[floral vault]

Good idea, with some flaws to work out imo

[cedar plank]

And this suggestion will make it a good concept

[autumn yacht]

this suggestion is for syncing settings, if you sell something you are a business and register for sales tax, you don't want to register for sales tax, trust me

[cedar plank]

Actually you don’t have to pay tax for stuff you make under 13k I think

[autumn yacht]

sales tax depends on the country your customer is from

for all of eu, uk, israel, uae, some provinces in canada, mexico, turkey and sourth korea you need to register right away

[cedar plank]

Well that’s fine since if u sell a config with cofl coins you have to deal with it

And ur an expert

[autumn yacht]

if you mean me with you I have to disapoint you, you are the seller I am at most an intermediate

I thought it through to provide a way to sell configs and figured out that its not gonna be worth it to go throught the legal hoops

[cedar plank]

What if u sell a config for irl money on PayPal 🤔 do you have to pay sales tax on it

[autumn yacht]

in the listed countries strictly speaking yes, if you do it only once or twice probably nobody will care but you would have to

we accidentally sold CoflCoins to turkey for example and ended up refunding all of them because it would be more expensive to register there

and we are selling a service, a config is usually not a service, unless you keep updating it maybe, that means you are taxed differently

... in some countries

but this sounds like you would get yourself into trouble if I add that suggestion

[floral vault]

It would just be a sync helper, not like a full fledged business

It just makes what’s already happening slightly easier

[autumn yacht]

making something illegal easier isn't exactly what I am looking for

[floral vault]

It’s not that illegal

[autumn yacht]

otherwise I would actively block you from doing it

[graceful lichen]

A work around for that would be to just pay cofl with the money and cofl gives the creators cofl coins

That way it isn't illegal and both parties would still profit from it

Customer (real money) -> Config buy page (real money) -> pays cofl with real money -> cofl gives creator cofl coins

[autumn yacht]

somewhat, but again thats not software as a service and falls under different tax and accounting rules

[graceful lichen]

So is there maybe a work around with (most) if not all different tax and accounting rules?

[graceful lichen]

And I guess you can also put it under cofl coins as your basically buying someone cofl coins. But yk I don't wanna do anything too illegal

so if thats impossible it's alright

[elder anvil]

too

[graceful lichen]

Oh and btw, This whole thing doesn't have to fall under on website payment it can also just be whitelist with username etc and just joinable configs

[autumn yacht]

well, I know a way to add products, there is a 1€ fee on that tho

[graceful lichen]

Honestly

that 1 euro fee is nothing compared to how cool this would be lol

[cedar plank]

I don’t think a 5% tax differential would make a difference lol

[elder anvil]

idk if this was said but it'd be cool if (if this happened ofc) config creators could have a free version which would be like an older version of the config that people can use too

like have a paid/free section to the cfg

[coral kelp]

Why not let someone else handle that? Like idk set up a Patreon account

[elder anvil]

there's already a way people handle it it'd just be a ton easier if it could be on the website

[floral vault]

Really cool idea, but if it’s illegal idk

[graceful lichen]

Äkwav — Yesterday at 10:58 PM
well, I know a way to add products, there is a 1€ fee on that tho

It might be possible (and it will) to keep this legal

[autumn yacht]

That's quite some effort to clear the legal questions of effectively reselling configs

[floral vault]

Would there be demand for me to build a separate website for this

Like a more intermediary system

[autumn yacht]

Please elaborate

You can in theory and probably in practice make a Google login and change user settings

[graceful lichen]

Also, this doesn’t necessarily have to be for selling. If whitelisting and code joining is all that is “Legally” possible then I guess that’s The Route this suggestion would have to take.

[floral vault]

If made a separate website for the distribution and upload of configs, whether that is using a Google token and changing people’s settings through the API or just making it easier for people to “sell” them, would people actually use it

[warm thistle]

indeed

[autumn yacht]

Who wants CoflCoins vs real money for configs?

[graceful lichen]

@autumn yacht Would you still be interested in doing this?

[graceful lichen]

Summarized

As creator
• Being able to whitelist cofl accounts/being able to sell/give this config on a page/marketplace on the cofl site (for cofl coins).
• Being able to join a group config with a code.
• A cloud updater so that you don't have to constantly update if the config receives an update. (Idea by @graceful lichen and @elder anvil )
This can be turned off by users with a button if they don't want it to automatically update
• A changelog like GitHub (Idea by @elder anvil )
• Also an idea of giving people the ability to update for users, like moderators/co-owners

As users
• Have a UI to show what groups/paid/free configs they are in/own and being able to select it to set as active config.
• Make group configs/paid configs unable to be exported for leak reasons.
• Having to ability to edit the filters (And falling back on the cloud updater, being able to be turned off and having a changelog so they can manually update the filters if they wished too.)
• Having a notification saying something like "Hey, this config you own has been updated to this version" (Idea by @wet quarry )

My questions about stuff
• To make it legal, could they be buyable with cofl coins? Or would this also make it illegal and would it need to be under a tax/fee
• How easy is it to access the cofl api and see the config? As Akwav mentioned "anyone can", Or could there be like a way to hide almost the whole config and only show the filter which it went through?
• Would this be a realistic thing to do, or is it far fetched?

[warm thistle]

pay ragult money 😁

and akwav

[graceful lichen]

mhhh

wouldn't they make a shit ton of money with this though?

[warm thistle]

they don't endorse config selling and it wasn't an original idea(config selling) from what I know

[graceful lichen]

The market for configs is pretty big

[warm thistle]

so I doubt they'd willingly make this

[warm thistle]

how?

oh ig from cofl coin sales

[graceful lichen]

yea

and icy alone has over 200 sales from his config alone

[warm thistle]

🤷‍♂️

I wouldn't be the one making this so not my decision

[graceful lichen]

These are the sales in my 1.2k member server

[warm thistle]

but from my view ppl will buy configs regardless of the format so this would just make it easier for users and creators

[graceful lichen]

And I know cofl is alot bigger then my server and
more people = more money

[graceful lichen]

true, but cofl will make money from it. Currently they don't

[warm thistle]

they do?

a lot of ppl buy with cofl coins

[graceful lichen]

If someone buys cofl coins ye

but I know that around 4/5th of all icy users paid with paypal directly

If you promote it on the website for cofl coins as price it would skyrocket the cofl coin prices (compared to direct paypal payments)

[autumn yacht]

Not this week

[frigid cradle]

i very much doubt that

[wet quarry]

No

[warm thistle]

lol

[keen gale]

also dead chat but new idea for this is to like not update in real time but make like a "publish" button or whatever so u dont give out ur config during updating to not like make ppl lose money

[wet quarry]

That’s kinda the point

[keen gale]

o c

[eternal sluice]

This is a fire idea

Being able to share configs through the website rather than an export import and external sharing type this is also a good idea

But it seems the rest of this is all geared towards paid config with the excuse that it could also be used between friends

Config leak prevention and monitoring config user's activities?

Pushing automated updates and also being able to invite and remove ppl from it

It seems like your just asking for cofl to build config sellers a sellers portal.

[warm thistle]

i agree

[void echo]

Brother It would do the exact opposite

Let's say right now it's a 90% - 10% mix between fiat and coins

That's enough of a separation that those coins are actually used by the seller

If all sales switched to cofl coins, I doubt majority of the coins are gonna be used

And so those sellers with a crazy excess of cofl coins will start selling them for cheaper

All in all, coin prices will tank. Tho cofl themselves won't feel it badly at all since the coins moving under value have already been paid for so it's essentially indirect sales to the customers anyways.

But it definitely won't help them

Right now there's ppl buying for configs and buying for use. Later there will be ppl practically only buying for configs. And a lot of ppl may not buy for use from cofl at all and wait for stock from the config sellers.

This issue can be fixed if cofl removed the ability to transfer coins beyond the sale but then why would config sellers sell for coins in the first place.

[elder anvil]

why would they sell for cheaper

[void echo]

Bcz what would they do with them

[graceful lichen]

I dont think you know how easy it is to spend cofl coins

[elder anvil]

you can spend 33600 in one day

[graceful lichen]

If I were to run 3 accounts for 1 months with prem+ I would be down 1800 x 4 x 3 = 21600

[elder anvil]

and it would run out in 24 horus

also pre api

[graceful lichen]

That also

[autumn yacht]

basically only around to have a way to spend lots of coins 🙃

[void echo]

That's like 126 euros a day

In cofl coins

[elder anvil]

yes

its quite easy to spend cofl coins

[void echo]

I'm sorry if I doubt y'all are that invested but maybe I'm wrong

[void echo]

It would be safe to assume these sellers would rather have the large majority of this in cash

[void echo]

Also I'm pretty sure you already sell or atleast facilitate the sale of cofl coins off platform on your server

[graceful lichen]

I do yea, though a lot of people just buy from the website as it is more convenient for them

[graceful lichen]

We gotta cheese the laws to use stripe or paypal or crypto or something

[void echo]

I would say even that wouldn't work, it would have to be a way to directly redeem them for money since wouldnt they rather have , but then once again what's the point.

[void echo]

That wasn't my point, it was that because your already selling them at a slight discount, it's clear that you would rather have cash than the coins

[autumn yacht]

Would need to profit 10k from that feature just to pay the legal fees, not gonna happen

[void echo]

Yeah exactly

Not worth it at all imo to have cofl coin sales for configs

In the end you guys will most probably end up losing money after a slight increased influx in cash

[willow glen]

do legal issues affect spending cofl coins or just buying them?

[elder anvil]

i think it would more affect cofl itself than the coins

because there's fees for retail businesses and in this case he would have to pay more fees then he currently is rn

i think

[void echo]

I don't think so cuz sales are gonna be with technically "in game" currency

[graceful lichen]

Still, the thing is I don't see how instead of indirect selling through discord which allows us to sell with paypal/crypto would be better then using cofl coins. Because every sale made with cofl coins, Coflnet will also profits from it.

[willow glen]

why would cofl coins be considered in game purchases?

[elder anvil]

there isn't infinite cofl coins so people will always have to buy them through the only place that sells them (the cofl website)

[coral kelp]

Maybe this is already possible but still an idea. I'm not that huge on programming so if I use some term wrong just lmk and I'll change it; Could you make so that an API call is sent to cofl with some unique identifier code and parse with that API call a config. Just so you can change your config on a single button click. This would let someone independent create feature leaving outside cofl responsibility but opening the possibility?

[wet quarry]

I don't think API is correct

but I'm dumb

[coral kelp]

I think you get the gist. Magic code goes to cofl server, config updates

[wet quarry]

yea

That'd be websocket pretty sure

[willow glen]

is the issue the legal side of purchasing or setting up the actual creator mode?

[cedar plank]

just make it so u can only buy the configs with cofl coins

[willow glen]

i thought that would be the plan from the start?

[elder anvil]

what about if each cfg had like a UUID and people can just whitelist people?

[graceful lichen]

.

[elder anvil]

yuh but without paying on the website if that works

[void echo]

What I meant was, I don't see it helping cofl either

[graceful lichen]

I guess your seeing wrong because it does.

[void echo]

Idk it's just my perspective, I find it doing the opposite for the coins and just not being worth while, but I could be wrong

Unless cofl finds a way for the config sellers to spend their coins that's worth more then cashing them out via cofls customers. It won't be helping them imo

[graceful lichen]

.

@void echo why are so so “ against” this idea?

[void echo]

It's not that it's anything better, but the fact that the coins will be resold, the profit will be very minimal in reality compared to what your advertising

[void echo]

I just wanted to make that clear

I'm not directly against the idea, there's certain elements that I like

But it seems less like an improvement for cofl and more for paid config sellers.

[void echo]

Basically just agreeing with this, and countering the 1 argument of how sales in cofl coins will make them money

[autumn yacht]

Any suggestions on what CoflCoins could be spent on?

[graceful lichen]

Custom stuff (like emoji’s or titles) on cofl chat

[autumn yacht]

How about archivement emblems like Skyblock got them?

[warm thistle]

yes

and make one for staff

[coral kelp]

100k cofl coins, increase everyones delay by 4 seconds excluding yourself

[floral vault]

Lmao

[autumn yacht]

Thought about that, would scale with active users, burn half of the coins and give everyone 2x hourly coins needed to repurchase or something like that.
But at that point I don't think anybody would ever use it

[elder anvil]

cofl cosmetics :o

[autumn yacht]

Making the coflMod put fancy emblems next to your name on your auctions 👀?

[elder anvil]

and in chat 👀?

[warm thistle]

would be nice

[autumn yacht]

Can't edit Hypixel chat but coflchat yeah

[elder anvil]

yeah

[warm thistle]

yes

[elder anvil]

but cant you like replace the name and use a place holder or smth

[autumn yacht]

Hypixel chat?

[elder anvil]

yeah

[autumn yacht]

By patching Minecraft probably but that's error prone and I don't know how to

[elder anvil]

fair enough

[wet quarry]

If I figure out how to and make it I get a free one

[silver gull]

I think you need to use asm/mixins if you want to edit it everywhere

but there should be plenty of mods to get examples from

[floral vault]

Mixins suck to work with

[coral kelp]

Roulette table

https://tenor.com/view/xqc-gambling-gamble-gambler-gambling-addiction-gif-25801242

[coral kelp]

House edge, cofl coins going out of the cofl economy

[autumn yacht]

I don't want to do gambling. Also our payment providers forbid it so we would lose all payments

[coral kelp]

It was more of a joke, gambling has so many rules, unless you get a license in Curaçao or something

[elder anvil]

i still think the config creator pannel is good but the payments and ect can be done elsewere outside of cofl aswell if that makes things easier and with less fees

[jagged pagoda]

but if he made this wouldnt it just be easier for like normal people to make their own configs

[cedar plank]

Why would it make it easier

[jagged pagoda]

oh shit mb i didnt see that the access was only supposed to be given to "creators" and not normal users

[cedar plank]

It isn’t limited to creators only, it just helps sharing configs and selling them

[elder anvil]

and making sure the private ones don't get leaked either

[willow glen]

its not gonna make "making configs" easier

its to share them online

[jagged pagoda]

oh i see

[willow glen]

yes

so u could purchase them online

type shit

[jagged pagoda]

yeah i get it now

[calm python]

How do you edit the website like that

[graceful lichen]

photoshop. its pretty basic

[calm python]

I dont have Photoshop im im poor

[wet quarry]

there are free programs too

[calm python]

Ik but not as Good

[jagged pagoda]

Rock canva 😎 (I'm broke too)

[willow glen]

pirate photoshop

[graceful lichen]

#📝dev-log message

[autumn yacht]

Next is autoupdate checking.
How many people actually want to co-edit configs?

[graceful lichen]

mhhh

as in like their own edits or just co-editing for release?
Own edits = a whole lot of people
co editing for release = very little people

[bright musk]

Me for example I take configs and edit them

[bright musk]

can u also add sth that preserves made urself if u buy a config

for example i have a config

and i make like a few changes to it

and in the next update i want them to stay

instead of dissapearing

[autumn yacht]

how do you differentiate from what you have made to what was changed in the update?

[bright musk]

like something that wasnt in the last config

imported

like if i import a config and i change sth its not in the config to import

[autumn yacht]

what if one of the entries was removed?

[bright musk]

well u could do a changelog when a new version comes out u look what got changed

by looking at both configs

[autumn yacht]

so list all the differences-potentially hundrets- and have an option to accept them one by one?

[bright musk]

no, only the onces that werent changed between 2 config versions

[autumn yacht]

you want to have a list of the non-changed things?

[bright musk]

ye if i wanna keep them

[autumn yacht]

if they didn't change they are by definition kept

[frail summit]

Give a short list of a few things updated and have a button that could allow you to show the full list if you want to see that

Or even just have said button copy to your clipboard so you can paste it in notepad or something similar, maybe open a browser

[willow glen]

this sounds like a very fun task !

[kind knot]

maybe add a setting to preserve something on update?

like a tick box

[autumn yacht]

on each filter?

[graceful lichen]

On each edit that you made. And for the next update, save the previous ticked boxes so it's easier to update with an edited version

[graceful lichen]

Boop ˶ᵔ ᵕ ᵔ˶

[bright musk]

#📝dev-log message

still love this

[autumn yacht]

whats the most important part about this suggestion for you?

[graceful lichen]

Statistics such as

• Amount of current users flipping with the config loaded
• All flips shown with config (with like “amount of specific item shown”)

Example

• Yeti sword x5
• Hyperion x2
• Enderman (legendary) x4
• Griffin (legendary) x3

-# This would make testing configs for “bad” flips SO much better.

• From website gift user (This isn’t necessary but preferably added)

Even one of these features would be HUGE

[autumn yacht]

do people regularly switch between configs?

[south ocean]

Issue created

Issue created at https://github.com/Coflnet/SkyModCommands/issues/236

[graceful lichen]

A lot of people use different configs for daytime and nighttime

[autumn yacht]

you know that you can test your config against all active auctions with /cofl replayactive right?

[graceful lichen]

I didn’t 😭

When did that get added??

[autumn yacht]

about 2 years ago #📝dev-log message

two weeks before you joined seemingly

[graceful lichen]

Oh 😭

[autumn yacht]

oh wait, I guess it may not be what you want, its meant for user finder flips

it doesn't run profit calculations

[graceful lichen]

Ah

[autumn yacht]

Would you prefer all matching flips being able to be tested (last few thousand) or for them to be sent to a discord webhook? @graceful lichen

[graceful lichen]

Yeah, matching the filter to the last few thousand flips send is indeed good yeah

[south ocean]

Issue created

Issue created at https://github.com/Coflnet/skymodcommands/issues/237