heavily nerf delay on pre api aka super premium

[cobalt cipher]

i pay 5 bucks for hour i no want delay

[rough ocean]

and then you will beat everyone else that is paying 5 an hour

[cobalt cipher]

its a page flipper its supposed to be faster?

u get like 2 seconds of delay per flip

its rly dumb

[rough ocean]

well there’s a reason you get that much delay ofc

[cobalt cipher]

then whats the point of buying?

[rough ocean]

and if you are buying that fast, other users won’t stand a chance

[cobalt cipher]

if i can get 1-2 flips in the hour why would i even buy it

1 flip = 1 second of delay

[rough ocean]

well maybe don’t buy that fast then

[cobalt cipher]

1 second of delay takes like half an hour to go away

[rough ocean]

or click manually

[cobalt cipher]

then no flips regardless :/

[rough ocean]

it’s pretty viable when you are using pre api

[cobalt cipher]

k then what happens if its like a 100k gs

[rough ocean]

bazaarflipper gets stuff with 150 ping manually

[cobalt cipher]

hold on let me manually click the flip everyones macroing for

great idea thanks

[rough ocean]

except no one else has the flip

other than the other pre api users

[cobalt cipher]

yes and right now there are 4 people on pre api

[rough ocean]

if they’re macroing they’ll get delayed just like you

[cobalt cipher]

no?

most of it is beds

if u buy 1 nugget

ur screwed

[rough ocean]

yes

if you’re clicking manually and they are macroing, they’ll get delayed, you won’t

you can then win the next nuggets

[cobalt cipher]

not on beds???

have u used pre api yet

[rough ocean]

maybe only macro on beds then lol idk

yes I have

I was the only user on pre api for most of my hour

I was the first one to buy

delay didn’t make a difference

[cobalt cipher]

no shit

if ur the only one on the hour

ofc nothings gonna happen

but alot of the time that wont happen so

[rough ocean]

maybe set your min profit for nuggets higher

[cobalt cipher]

?????

u cant set profits for nuggets

[rough ocean]

yes you can

use filters

anyway my point is that heavily nerfing delay will just let you get everything over legit users using pre api

or even just higher ping macroers

[cobalt cipher]

name 3 legit users that get flips on cofl with more than 100k profit

also higher ping r just buying vps now cus its like 5 bucks

[fiery mountain]

are you okay with round robin then?

[cobalt cipher]

if it removes delay yeah id be fine with that

does the round robin include beds

or is beds a free for all zone?

[fiery mountain]

yes

[cobalt cipher]

how long would the round robin be and would it garuntee someone the flip

[fiery mountain]

yes it would guarantee the flip, currently I want to delay it up to five seconds after a bed expires - and forward it to another user if it doesn't match your filter

[cobalt cipher]

im assuming everyone has the same chance of getting an rr based on whos on the hour, so how i assume it would work is that
person A and person B would have a 50% chance of it being their garunteed flip, if its person A's flip, but it doesnt match their filter, it would be person B's flip.

how would that work for like extremely high profit flips though

like things that are 100%+ profit?

like legendary flips

[fiery mountain]

yes

[fiery mountain]

the same, flips are split and matched against your filter

if they match it goes through, if not it gets sent to the other active users

[cobalt cipher]

so its basically a battle of rng?

[fiery mountain]

if nobody wants it it falls through to prem+ user

[fiery mountain]

its not rng, I mean currently it is as a temp solution but it won't be rng

[cobalt cipher]

i dont understand then how a chance of garunteed flip wouldnt be a battle of rng

[fiery mountain]

the flips get split by count not by rng

[cobalt cipher]

like how tfm does it?

[fiery mountain]

everyone gets the same amount of flips, but yes you can argue that one can get a higher profit one

[fiery mountain]

I don't know how tfm splits the flips

[cobalt cipher]

it does the same thing but doesnt account for blocked items

if theres 3 items and 3 people person a b and c get 1

but if person A has their rr blocked it wont show up

[fiery mountain]

okay, then its currently like on tfm but I want to improve that

[rough ocean]

bazaarflipper, fuvu , some other pre api person

[cobalt cipher]

who is this other pre api user

[rough ocean]

Idk there must be someone

also PhuriKukri

he has like over 800m in cofl profit

without pre api

[lavish lava]

I have prem only and get many flips

Its just skill issue

[cobalt cipher]

how much profit tho

[lavish lava]

My ah is full and i have like 2 backpacks worth of shit

[cobalt cipher]

no whats ur profit

[lavish lava]

I literally got 200k spirit sceptre today manual

[lavish lava]

Idk

Stuff not sold

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i can turn my settings to 500k profit and get alot

[lavish lava]

2m min profit

20%

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i hav 4m min profit

[lavish lava]

Cool

[cobalt cipher]

which is a decent difference

u see more stuff

[lavish lava]

💀

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pre api gave me 5 seconds of delay

and idk if its gone away yet

[lavish lava]

Dont use pre api

Easy

And dont macro

[cobalt cipher]

without pre api i get a second

eh

there r barely anyone whos legit

[lavish lava]

Me

[cobalt cipher]

i said barely?

when was the 200k spirit sceptre btw

[fiery mountain]

@foggy sierra is also happily flipping with premium

[lavish lava]

Idk look at my bids

My ign is sirboros

[cobalt cipher]

i used pre api to screenshare to jack cus he wanted to see what it looked like

im probably mainly gonna be using like prem+

cus pre api is ok but not worth atm

[lavish lava]

Maybe because its not even released at all?

[cobalt cipher]

it is released

u can use it right now

[lavish lava]

But beta

[cobalt cipher]

its $5 an hour

[lavish lava]

Ikr

[cobalt cipher]

beta doesnt mean not released

skyblock is in beta

[fiery mountain]

The cofl mod is in alpha

[cobalt cipher]

yea

[fiery mountain]

It's past the proof of concept and being developed

[lavish lava]

Anyways

[cobalt cipher]

to legit cofl users gg for being legit but i doubt u will be legit for long

[lavish lava]

What

[cobalt cipher]

also @rough ocean ur telling me bazzar flipper put a thousand dollars into tfm and isnt using gui

[lavish lava]

I dont need to

Pay $100 to be able to earn coin

[foggy sierra]

😄

[cobalt cipher]

or just dont be a loser and dont irl trade for flipping

[lavish lava]

Wdym

[cobalt cipher]

u can flip with cofl with 1m

i tried it

[lavish lava]

I started literally with 5m

3b nw in 1 month

[cobalt cipher]

?

what did u pay $100 for then

[lavish lava]

What??

I said that i dont need to pay $100 to earn coin (aka macro flip)

[cobalt cipher]

or just

don’t pay money

autobuys arent hard to make

[lavish lava]

ik

[cobalt cipher]

idk how to code myself im not saying its super duper easy

if u like

learn js u can do it

or just anything

my friends make my autobuy for me

[lavish lava]

I mean macro is good if u irl

But im not thinking abt that now

[cobalt cipher]

i dont irl i just like coins

[lavish lava]

good

[cobalt cipher]

Why rr on beds ):

[fiery mountain]

fairness

[cobalt cipher]

Beds already give every player an equal opportunity to win flips though

That’s why there are no rrs for beds on tfm for example

[fiery mountain]

you have a huge advantage on a bed with low ping

[fiery mountain]

I am pretty sure its the same reason on tfm as its on normal cofl

[cobalt cipher]

What reason is that?

[fiery mountain]

its hard to enforce and disadvantages the users using the service

[cobalt cipher]

Well there used to be rrs on beds but then Thomas removed it

And doesn’t making it completely impossible for preapi people to win bed flips also discourage ppl from using?

Unless they r lucky obviously

[rough ocean]

maybe he used the tfm gui when he had it idk

I was coding stuff for him and he didn’t want an autobuy or even a remapper

[cobalt cipher]

yeah tfm gui is still a macro

[mint shuttle]

Okay so here's why I didn't change it (in my opinion there is no room for improvement here).

Let's say I have some certain items blocked. If you don't send them to me on my RR, how do you address this?

1 - It doesn't affect me anymore.

• This could mean that I'm only getting 40% of flips whereas the other person is getting 60%, as they don't have it filtered.
• To me (as the user), this is actually worse than, if not the same as, you sending it to me first and the other person later, as you are still taking "rrs" and "luck" away from me, for using a filter & trying to make decent profit from Cofl.
• To the other person, they are now rewarded for having an opposite blacklist to me. If there are 3 people on, we could exploit this to give ourselves a higher than 33% chance to get most items, disadvantaging the 3rd user.
• Also, if this is true, I could completely disable my filter to receive all RRs that the other's filter blacklists, and also 50% that he doesn't blacklist. This encourages me to use another mod to filter afterwards, as now I'm getting way more flips than the other user is, just because I "don't like" him getting profit, or I simply "don't like" the other user.

2 - It keeps it 50/50 (ie if there are 4 flips and 2 are blocked from me, I should be more likely to get the next 2).

• This is better to me as a user, but then this is very exploitable. Why wouldn't I just blacklist all flips under 10m, that way any flip over is practically guaranteed to be my RR?
• Also encourages macroing as you're much more likely to get a high-profit flip in a longer space of time, so I might as well macro for the hour.

As you can see, neither solution is a good solution. The only way that's "fair" to all users is to actually send the RR to the person "randomly" picked for it, regardless of their filter, as this is fair true random, not exploitable by any method, as you'll still get the same flips.

[cobalt cipher]

@fiery mountain may i ask why exactly would delay matter in the rr system? why have it at all?

i believe you said a 5 second difference and advantage

[cobalt cipher]

mk a few problems with this
1: removing blacklist on cofl is probably the best way to lose money in skyblock
2: if rr becomes free for all it removes the point of rr if it gets lost if someone has it blocked
3: if im paying 5 bucks for one mod for an hour and 3 bucks for another mod for an hour thats like 8 bucks for an hour, and because its basically gambling, gambling theory says i will keep going because my brain thinks ill have a good chance for flip
4: i doubt a 5 second advantage encouraged macroing but ok
6: sure u can take the risk and only go for 10m+ profit flips, but then what happens if u see nothing the whole hour and nothing is ur rr
7: if u randomly send rrs there a chance person A gets every flip to themselves while person B has nothing even with no filter

[fiery mountain]

Not all flips are found before the API update, the delay is kept for those

[mint shuttle]

1. Yes that's why I said "external mod blacklist" - no one has done this because it's not useful but with the new rr system it's "worth it"

2. Not lost, look how TFM did it sir

3. ok? you still have good chance

4. afk macroing sir

5/6. you really think there will be 0 10m profit flips an hour?

7. nope, again, look at how tfm did it, it's random per item but not overall

[cobalt cipher]

o

[cobalt cipher]

1: cofl misprices items sometimes and things can be manipulated so idk why it would be worth it
2: akwav is trying to make less luck
3: u might have a good chance, but what is the point of spending 8 dollars on average per hour on flipping mods
4: pre api lasts for an hour and even with max delay cofl only shows beds at 3 seconds left and pre api caps it at 0.7 so y macro it
5: yeah ive seen it happen alot
7: ur system splits the items, based on someones blacklist but doesnt give somebody else the rr if the person who has the rr had it blacklisted

[mint shuttle]

1. I addressed this in the original post
2. What? It's still luck regardless of how you do it, this is just about the "don't show to users who have it blacklisted"
3. That's not the question here lmao but yes
4. I said afk macro so that you can just get high-profit flips (like people do on cofl already) without dealing with delay - people need to earn only like 60m to profit from the hour
5. how many pre-api hours have you bought?
   (6/7). no, it doesn't. it's independent of blacklist so it can't be exploited sir

[grizzled nest]

I also bought pre api this morning, it sucked.