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glacial laurelBOT Dec 13, 2024, 1:07 AM

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@green musk

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vagrant mortar Dec 13, 2024, 1:09 AM

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It will be easier to help if you ask a specific question. Do you have any code written?

ornate nymph Dec 13, 2024, 1:09 AM

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What have you learnt so far, and what is expected from the assignment (use classes, no external libraries, etc.)?

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 1:10 AM

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vagrant mortar It will be easier to help if you ask a specific question. Do you have any code ...

i did but its on the school pc

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and i cant get it

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and im off for friday, sat, sun

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and i dont wanna waste 3 days not starting

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 1:11 AM

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ornate nymph What have you learnt so far, and what is expected from the assignment (use class...

im expedcted to do it however i want but i was given a guide which says to use functions

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and import json

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for example

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def load_athlete

vagrant mortar Dec 13, 2024, 1:11 AM

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what is this? Are you doing their homework?

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 1:11 AM

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wtf how ?

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 1:11 AM

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vagrant mortar what is this? Are you doing their homework?

i aint complaigning

ornate nymph Dec 13, 2024, 1:12 AM

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vagrant mortar what is this? Are you doing their homework?

reeks of chatgpt too.

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 1:12 AM

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how tf did u do that so quick?

vagrant mortar Dec 13, 2024, 1:12 AM

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green musk i aint complaigning

I am. we don't do that here.

ornate nymph Dec 13, 2024, 1:12 AM

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DO NOT use ChatGPT too.

vagrant mortar Dec 13, 2024, 1:12 AM

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@stray dust don't do people's homework.

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 1:12 AM

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vagrant mortar I am. we don't do that here.

but I aing complaigning bro

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i mean i can edit it and stuff

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add stuff

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i havent given the whole breif

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we can count it as help

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thanks @stray dust

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 1:13 AM

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vagrant mortar <@1120112642795769917> don't do people's homework.

insignia ignore this

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insigna a life saver

stray dust Dec 13, 2024, 1:14 AM

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@vagrant mortar I apologize

ornate nymph Dec 13, 2024, 1:14 AM

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If you want the easy way out, fine, you can have your easy way out. Just don't come crawling back crying because you flunked your test

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 1:14 AM

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i aint got a test

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so i wont be crawling back pal!

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plus im only doing this so i can focus on other stuff

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i wanna learn python in my own time solo

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im running out of time

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i have 4 modules all due in 2 weeks

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yes ill lose out on skill but i can easily gain it with that one 3hr full pythono course on yt

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 1:15 AM

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stray dust <@424559318617161740> I apologize

apopology gladly accepted

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insigan u used chat gpt?

stray dust Dec 13, 2024, 1:16 AM

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You do User Inputs, add Weight Category, the User selects a package, then have the script summarize the users profile.

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 1:17 AM

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alright ill try one sec

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 1:20 AM

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stray dust You do User Inputs, add Weight Category, the User selects a package, then have t...

so did u use chat gpt?

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woulda prefered someone do it for me ngl

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nedbat just had to be the fun police

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gotta use these functions

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and import json

stray dust Dec 13, 2024, 1:36 AM

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Store each athlete as a dictionary. And write a helper function that takes an athlete’s weight and returns their category. Do a calculate_fees () function.

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 1:37 AM

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stray dust Store each athlete as a dictionary. And write a helper function that takes an at...

can u check dms

chilly grail Dec 13, 2024, 1:42 AM

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green musk woulda prefered someone do it for me ngl

The primary goal of this server is to serve as a locus of instruction and learning. While examples may be learned from, a completed assignment removes an incentive to understand. Ultimately, it's more efficient to teach people how to do a thing than to be the workforce for everyone who comes wanting their homework done for them, which does fall into the realm of an academic integrity violation.

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!rule 8

glacial laurelBOT Dec 13, 2024, 1:42 AM

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Rules

8. Do not help with ongoing exams. When helping with homework, help people learn how to do the assignment without doing it for them.

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 1:42 AM

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chilly grail The primary goal of this server is to serve as a locus of instruction and learni...

did u also read the part where i said i have 4 modules due in 2 weeks

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 1:42 AM

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chilly grail !rule 8

ah ok

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!rule 34

glacial laurelBOT Dec 13, 2024, 1:42 AM

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:x: Invalid rule indices: 34

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 1:42 AM

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fair enough

chilly grail Dec 13, 2024, 1:43 AM

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We're not that racy, here.

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 1:43 AM

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racy?

chilly grail Dec 13, 2024, 1:43 AM

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Licentious.

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 1:43 AM

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licentious?

chilly grail Dec 13, 2024, 1:43 AM

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Sexy.

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 1:43 AM

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oh ok thanks

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coulda said that

stray dust Dec 13, 2024, 1:43 AM

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lol

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 1:44 AM

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imagine telling ur partner u wanna get licentious in the bed room

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goofy

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but its nice u posses so much knowledge

stray dust Dec 13, 2024, 1:44 AM

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😂

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 1:44 AM

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insignia check my dms i sent more information on my assignment spec

stray dust Dec 13, 2024, 1:45 AM

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When I started it sucked. You’ll pick it up pretty quick

chilly grail Dec 13, 2024, 1:45 AM

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Assistance via DMs is discouraged.

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 1:45 AM

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i mean hes the only one helping me makes sense to just dm

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dont worry opal mist i wont be breaking section 3, rule 8 of the 32nd commandment

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imagine reading the rules crazy

chilly grail Dec 13, 2024, 1:46 AM

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It cuts out other people from contributing to the discussion here, here being where you've asked for assistance.

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 1:46 AM

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oh right true

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thanks opal mist youve been plently of help i wish you a totally nice day!!

stray dust Dec 13, 2024, 1:47 AM

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I’m happy to help you with pointers but I’m not giving you the code. I didn’t realize the rules right away.

chilly grail Dec 13, 2024, 1:48 AM

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Teach a man to fish and all that.

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 1:49 AM

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id rather have someone else fish for me

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 1:49 AM

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stray dust I’m happy to help you with pointers but I’m not giving you the code. I didn’t re...

that makes sense insigna im glad uve helped!

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oh dear god please send someone that violates rule 8 and does my assignment for me amen

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and make them licentious looking

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amen

chilly grail Dec 13, 2024, 1:52 AM

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Not quite how that word works. Again, we aren't about doing people's homework for them.

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Where are you at with it, currently?

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 1:53 AM

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chilly grail Where are you at with it, currently?

currently at the asking chat gpt to do it for me then editing it myself phase!

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listen i guarantee u when u walk into ur next surgery appointment the doctors will pull up chat gpt

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in 20 years "chat gpt make me dinner2

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"chat gpt do the dishes"

chilly grail Dec 13, 2024, 1:55 AM

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I can tell you that asking ChatGPT without an understanding of how to use it correctly and without sufficient Python knowledge, you're going to spend more time chasing your own tail and wasting time. I see it a lot, here. You say you're on a deadline, well, you're only going to be eating needlessly into your remaining time.

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 1:55 AM

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the code looks good so far!

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chat gpt knows it all

chilly grail Dec 13, 2024, 1:55 AM

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Then why are you here at all?

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 1:55 AM

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name something chat gpt dont know

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 1:56 AM

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chilly grail Then why are you here at all?

to find a licentious partner that will violate rule 8 for me

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human supreamcy thats why

chilly grail Dec 13, 2024, 1:57 AM

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green musk name something chat gpt dont know

How to finish your homework for you.

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 1:57 AM

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chilly grail How to finish your homework for you.

if i tell it how to do it, it can

chilly grail Dec 13, 2024, 1:58 AM

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Then, what's going to happen is, you'll go around in circles with it, maybe you'll get lucky with it, you probably won't. Then you'll come back here at the final hour in a panic asking people if they could please help you, which is an unfair imposition on those you're asking help from.

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Because then everyone has to race to get over the finish line for you.

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The fact you're asking for help here is evidence that whatever you're doing with it isn't working.

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 2:00 AM

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chilly grail The fact you're asking for help here is evidence that whatever you're doing with...

i asked for help before using chat gpt

chilly grail Dec 13, 2024, 2:00 AM

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Sometimes it gets things right.

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 2:00 AM

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most of the time

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have u seen chat gpt 5

chilly grail Dec 13, 2024, 2:01 AM

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Often it's a tangle of non sequitur garbage.

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 2:01 AM

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its got like so many more gpus

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 2:01 AM

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chilly grail Often it's a tangle of non sequitur garbage.

define non sequitur

chilly grail Dec 13, 2024, 2:01 AM

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Latin. It does not follow.

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Thing a doesn't logically flow into thing b.

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 2:01 AM

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right my bad i should learn the language of the ancient empires now?

chilly grail Dec 13, 2024, 2:02 AM

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Usually used in the context of conversation.

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I'm offering to attempt to render assistance in the now. That offer expires shortly.

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I won't do your homework for you.

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I won't debug ChatGPT code for you.

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I am willing to help you learn the components of a solution such that you can put it together, yourself.

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Do you wish for my help as outlined at this time?

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 2:05 AM

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chilly grail Do you wish for my help as outlined at this time?

i shall consent to your help at the current outlined time

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go on

chilly grail Dec 13, 2024, 2:05 AM

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So be it.

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May I see the rubric, please?

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At your convenience.

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@green musk If I'm going to help you, some functional level of responsiveness would be appreciated.

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 2:11 AM

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chilly grail May I see the rubric, please?

rubric?

chilly grail Dec 13, 2024, 2:11 AM

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The problem as given to you.

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 2:11 AM

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chilly grail <@584362030891401234> If I'm going to help you, some functional level of respons...

hiyaaaa

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whats rubric

chilly grail Dec 13, 2024, 2:12 AM

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A document outlining the problem to be solved and the instructions you are to follow.

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 2:13 AM

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so

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its

chilly grail Dec 13, 2024, 2:13 AM

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Nevermind, I'm actually using that word incorrectly.

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I am fallible.

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 2:13 AM

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fallible?

chilly grail Dec 13, 2024, 2:13 AM

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Capable of error.

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 2:13 AM

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whatever floats yer boat mate

chilly grail Dec 13, 2024, 2:13 AM

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Water, usually.

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Okay, that's your description of the problem. How was the problem presented to you?

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 2:15 AM

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chilly grail Okay, that's your description of the problem. How was the problem presented to y...

just like that

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i live in turkmenistan so the teachers here just gave that

chilly grail Dec 13, 2024, 2:15 AM

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Very well.

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 2:16 AM

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TURKMENISTANNNNN

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sorry i get very patriotic

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where are u from

chilly grail Dec 13, 2024, 2:18 AM

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I'm currently reading and attempting to understand what you've written.

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 2:18 AM

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now u know how i feel

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when u speak a language thats 2000 years old

chilly grail Dec 13, 2024, 2:19 AM

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Okay, so you've described some of the weight categories and pricing in terms of sessions per week.

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 2:20 AM

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ill haver to import json and use functions

chilly grail Dec 13, 2024, 2:20 AM

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There feels like there's more to it.

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 2:20 AM

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thats about it

chilly grail Dec 13, 2024, 2:20 AM

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Okay. What can you tell me about what a function is?

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Also, when you get a moment, more information about what you're expected to do would be good.

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 2:22 AM

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chilly grail Okay. What can you tell me about what a function is?

its like def then function

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 2:22 AM

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chilly grail Also, when you get a moment, more information about what you're expected to do w...

okie dokie opal mist no worries

chilly grail Dec 13, 2024, 2:24 AM

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green musk its like def then function

Yes, but I'm asking about the concept of what a function is. What it does. Why and when we might use them. What a parameter is, what a return is.

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I'm attempting to gauge your understanding so I know what gaps I have to fill in.

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Or I can start at the very beginning and go from there.

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But I don't want to do the grand introduction to everything if I don't feel like I need to, nor if I don't feel you're going to pay enough attention such that it would be worthwhile.

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I'm here for people who want to learn.

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If that's not you, say so now.

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 2:27 AM

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i would pay attention i really do want to learn!!!

chilly grail Dec 13, 2024, 2:27 AM

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Good.

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 2:28 AM

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no i wish to gain the knowledge that you will deomnstrate to me lets go sensei!!

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lets start from the beginning

chilly grail Dec 13, 2024, 2:28 AM

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Very well.

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Python belongs to a class of programming languages which follow the Object Oriented Programming paradigm.

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The idea of OOP in Python is that every "thing" you interact with in Python is somehow an object.

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An object is a datastructure that lives in memory.

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It is a structure of data with attached functionality for interacting with that data safely.

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Imagine a lift.

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Let's say that the lift and the different exits are the datastructure, and the people are the data.

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The lift buttons are the functionality for interacting with the object such that the state of the object, the lift, changes.

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 2:30 AM

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ah so i can go to different floors

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and access diferent data?

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opal mist where are u from?

chilly grail Dec 13, 2024, 2:31 AM

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So, that's probably a poor analogy, but the idea is that you have a thing, and ways of interacting with that thing in prescribed ways.

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 2:31 AM

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we dont have lifts in my country we simply use the stairs

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but i get what u mean

chilly grail Dec 13, 2024, 2:31 AM

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and that every object is of a type

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 2:31 AM

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sadly we have a dictator and hes not allowing any lifts rn

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but i can picture it perfectky

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oh i wish i was in america

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opal mist wherte are u from

chilly grail Dec 13, 2024, 2:32 AM

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The class from which that object was created. The class is like a template, or factory, for creating objects of its type.

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 2:32 AM

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my dream is to ride a lift now that i think about it

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say opal mist which nation are u from

chilly grail Dec 13, 2024, 2:32 AM

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I can see you've lost interest.

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 2:32 AM

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chilly grail The class from which that object was created. The class is like a template, or f...

i understand thanks for ur amazing explanation

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i have not

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i have simply stated turkmenistan has no lifts

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may i ask wherre ur form

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out of curiousity

chilly grail Dec 13, 2024, 2:33 AM

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I believe we're done here.

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 2:33 AM

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but we were doing so well

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ok i will only stay on topic for this disucssion

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how does that sound

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i dont wanna lose such an amazing teacher

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i really felt like i was in a lift

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and the humans are data

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and the buttons are functions

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i was just asking out of curiosioty where ur from

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since all corners of the world are connected by python

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no matter what

chilly grail Dec 13, 2024, 2:36 AM

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The class governs the kind of data that can exist in the objects created from it and what functionality is attached to those objects.

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For example. In Python, we have the class str.

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 2:36 AM

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ohhh and int and float

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right?

chilly grail Dec 13, 2024, 2:36 AM

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It governs the creation of and behaviour of objects of type str, strings.

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Strings being objects which represent text data.

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 2:36 AM

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yeah yeah only within that data type

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oh i am so interested right now

chilly grail Dec 13, 2024, 2:37 AM

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Attached to strings is functionality for interacting with those strings.

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 2:37 AM

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i have gained further interest

chilly grail Dec 13, 2024, 2:37 AM

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For example.

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!e py print('HeLlO wOrLd'.upper()) print('HeLlO wOrLd'.lower()) print('HeLlO wOrLd'.title())

glacial laurelBOT Dec 13, 2024, 2:38 AM

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chilly grail !e ```py print('HeLlO wOrLd'.upper()) print('HeLlO wOrLd'.lower()) print('HeLlO ...

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | HELLO WORLD
002 | hello world
003 | Hello World

chilly grail Dec 13, 2024, 2:38 AM

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"Hey, 'Hello, world.' string, give me an uppercased version of yourself."

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"Hey, 'Hello, world.' string, give me an lowercased version of yourself."

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"Give me a titlecased version of yourself." Etc.

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str.upper, str.lower and str.title are some of the methods attached to strings.

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We call them methods.

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Because they're attached to the objects.

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Designed to interact with them.

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As opposed to being a standalone function which isn't attached in the same way.

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 2:39 AM

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ohhh so it does it like in capital letters and changed fonts right?

chilly grail Dec 13, 2024, 2:40 AM

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Potentially.

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When we talk about functions, and methods, too, which are like functions, they can be thought of as objects which represent a collection of code that can be called upon to be run when required.

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!e ```py
def func():
print('Hello, world.')

func()
func()
func()```

glacial laurelBOT Dec 13, 2024, 2:41 AM

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chilly grail !e ```py def func(): print('Hello, world.') func() func() func()```

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | Hello, world.
002 | Hello, world.
003 | Hello, world.

chilly grail Dec 13, 2024, 2:41 AM

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This function's purpose is simply to print Hello, World. when called.

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Functions also have a kind of inbox and an outbox.

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!e ```py
def func(parameter):
print(parameter)

func('Hello, world.')
func('Goodbye.')```

glacial laurelBOT Dec 13, 2024, 2:42 AM

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chilly grail !e ```py def func(parameter): print(parameter) func('Hello, world.') func('...

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | Hello, world.
002 | Goodbye.

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 2:42 AM

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ohhh

chilly grail Dec 13, 2024, 2:42 AM

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Here, I have provided arguments in the calls.

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 2:42 AM

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but how is the func hello world and goodbye?

chilly grail Dec 13, 2024, 2:42 AM

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The arguments being the two string objects.

green musk Dec 13, 2024, 2:42 AM

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it only says parameter

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its only printing parameter

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not fun

chilly grail Dec 13, 2024, 2:43 AM

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!print-return

glacial laurelBOT Dec 13, 2024, 2:43 AM

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Print and return

Here's a handy animation demonstrating how print and return differ in behavior.

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