#🔒 Please help

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flint kettle
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im kinda stuck right now ive been using chat gpt to learn but people say not to and im from c sharp and that language was very hard for me to learn so i gave up on it im not good at reading docs much less goolging problems but when i google its like i never find a soultion to my problem what can i do i really dont want to give up programing :c

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icy ocean
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You just need to stop using tools that do the hard work for you if you want to learn the hard work. Properly utilizing docs and knowing how to search effectively are skills that take time to learn, but they pay off big in the long term.

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Just slowly refine your search queries over time as you learn what keywords to use, what phrasing to use, and what sites are worth your time.

flint kettle
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by tools do you mean chatgpt all ive been doing is using it as something that can generate projects or help me expand my code for the sake of learning

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sometimes when i read the docs im having a hard time understand what there saying ;c

eager tiger
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Do you have a specific example of such a doc? Maybe we can make things more clear. Which may help others docs also be more clear.

icy ocean
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If you get it to problem solve for you, you won't learn to problem solve, for example.

flint kettle
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so dont rely on chatgpt?

uncut sigil
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people were fine learning without AI before chatgpt. 🙂

icy ocean
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For actual code writing? I'd say no. Not until you can write code easily on your own.

flint kettle
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sorry im just dumb :c

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what made you choose the language python?

icy ocean
eager tiger
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Rely? No. Maybe see if it provides a useful explaination of something, but bear in mind that it lies. It's an aggregate of "stuff it has seen on the web", and produces things which look like that stuff.

eager tiger
icy ocean
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And a ton of patience.

flint kettle
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So use chatgpt as a tool but still look at docs?

pallid pagoda
zinc tartan
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No, chatgpt often makes mistakes

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Learn from classes or from the beginning, then read docs and practise for different projects

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Helps alot, ai is usually never the way unless you're struggling really badly with something and nobody can give you the solution

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Stack overflow over ai

flint kettle
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shouild i use chatgpt as a tool to spit out projects and learn the sytanx/

icy ocean
# flint kettle So use chatgpt as a tool but still look at docs?

I would limit use as much as possible. It will not do you favors in the beginning. Like in said earlier, whatever work you offload onto it is work that you were robbed the opportunity to learn from. Especially is the beginning, the failure and learning from failure is important.

pallid pagoda
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there's a billion better ways to learn

icy ocean
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I dislike learning from resources like YouTube, and even those are preferable. At least then you have a person stating things publicly that can be held accountable. There's no double check when ChatGPT tells you nonsense in private.

eager tiger
# zinc tartan Stack overflow over ai

Because at least people are writing the answers and the high rated answers are often helpful. But they can sometimes still be wrong.

Make sure you understand an answer.

flint kettle
pallid pagoda
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learning by doing is many times more effective than learning by reading
make your own projects, and review them too, improve them, rather than just reading chatgpt's code

flint kettle
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should i ask chagpt to create projects for me tat i can pull apart and google stuff

pallid pagoda
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As a rule of thumb just never ask chatgpt to create projects for you

flint kettle
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okay :c

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what should i do then to learn python im a beginner

pallid pagoda
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Making your own will just about always be a better learning experience

pallid pagoda
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pallid pagoda
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also corey schafer on youtube if videos are more your style

flint kettle
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ok

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tyyy

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