#🔒 help masta
fervent dawn
would you like to learn python?
thats more than enough
do you like reading books or watching course (practice is need for both)
nah its about practice
ember mauve
If you're predisposed into thinking coding isn't for you, you're just being hard on yourself
Anyone can learn to code, especially the basics
ember mauve
ChatGPT is only going to make it worse
fervent dawn
personally i started coding with https://py4e.com
ember mauve
*no real coder actually use it*
It's great as a resource for people who already know how to sift through its nonsense
but beginners take everything it says at face value
fervent dawn
It's great as a resource for people who already know how to sift through its non...
it only gives me non sense
ember mauve
It's been an incredible resource for me, especially to write boilerplate code a lot quicker than I could
fervent dawn
It's been an incredible resource for me, especially to write boilerplate code a ...
i do use it for docs and for identifiers name 🙈
ember mauve
What basics would you say you've learned already?
fervent dawn
what all topics are in ur practical
ember mauve
i do use it for docs and for identifiers name 🙈
It's been good for UI templates. "Build me a UI that can parse json data and display it in a tree widget". I could write that too, but it would take me a lot longer.
fervent dawn
interesting
ember mauve
but I know enough about UI that I can spot its mistakes and fix them. But it writes it in 30 seconds instead of the 20-30 minutes that would have taken me
Anyways back to @covert basin
You know the terms, but do you know how to actually implement them in code?
fervent dawn
so what is a variable? (share what you know)
yes, variable is the name you give to the container that stores values
fervent dawn
You know the terms, but do you know how to actually implement them in code?
i really dont know how i would progress from here on teaching python to him
datatypes?
ember mauve
I would open a new python file, and type out the chat gpt code yourself instead of copy and paste
as you write each line, think about what it does
Then, do it again, but without looking at the chat gpt code
see if you understand the concepts well enough to put them to use on your own without having to copy
Do it for practice
"Understanding for loops" is not plagiarism
Programming isn't about the exact steps required to complete a task
it's about understanding the tools and putting them together in a way to achieve your goals
if you give 10 programmers the same task, you'll get 10 different approaches
Focus on understanding the tools
fervent dawn
more like painting
ember mauve
and the patterns
fervent dawn
one week is enough to get basics of python
ember mauve
Yes, repeat this until you can do it without looking at the gpt code
"Don't practice until you get it right. Practice until you can't get it wrong"
This quote has stuck with me since I started python
6+ years now
I'm self taught
I went to school for animation
ember mauve
I still went to college, just not for coding
I was lucky enough to already have a job when I decided to learn python
fervent dawn
high school graduate, thinking of getting some degree in other stuffs like business related or similar so i could get structured syllabus in there
*online degree
fervent dawn
I was lucky enough to already have a job when I decided to learn python
oh
okay not bad
ember mauve
yeah, generally "just coding" isn't enough
you need another skill/expertise to pair it with
Coding is easy. Having ideas for what to code is hard.
fervent dawn
well said
@covert basin so you can learn python from here
https://automatetheboringstuff.com/ (book)
https://py4e.com (course very good, from basics of computer to a good level python)
make sure you practice, and i can gurantee you will ace ur tests
copper pagoda
Just to add in a bit here
W3Schools is an amazing site to use in your programming learning journey
It mostly contains info about built-in functions and simple concepts, but out of all beginner-level learning resources I have found, it has the best explanations
Many example code uses too - and you can run the code directly in their site + modify it any way you want
fervent dawn
https://www.w3schools.com/python/
this site is not suggested here
bad examples, lack of indepth explanation etc..
its on top of the search result because of good SEO (search engine optimiation)
this is good
cant blame him, i also thought it was good, until i realized i am not learning anything 🤡
copper pagoda
All information does not need to be in one source
fervent dawn
as i said cant blame him, i also used to do same
copper pagoda
It provides simple explanations, with examples. It's a good site
Plenty of other sites too, it's completely up to you what to choose. That's just one of my recommendations
sage grailBOT
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