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rain mist
!user
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mild light
ok
frigid thicket
i have to sand it as file or i have to pay to be able to sand it as masseg? thats crz
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frigid thicket
i mad x o game i now its not the best way to do it but it work
1 | 2 | 3
4 | 5 | 6
6 | 7 | 8
it work like thes i hope you can undrstand it
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frigid thicket
hmmm
i think its good
fine for me
its ez to undrstand and clear
will i know its long and trash but its working yeah
stuck bluff
!voice
coarse hearthBOT
raven garnet
@main garden how can I lift the suppression
stone ginkgo
<@1279133033290662070> are you eating? π π₯€
I was.. I was just asking others, if they are fine with that
true wind
That wasn't nice.
stone ginkgo
That wasn't nice.
What?
stone ginkgo
That wasn't nice.
I mean if I ask its acceptable or not, and ppl dont accept, I would defienetly either shut my microphone, or leave the vc on the temporary basis
true wind
Its' okay with me, but still touch some grass.
stone ginkgo
That wasn't nice.
I respect others, bro
true wind
And I respect your apology, not all people are nice to apologize (or apologise).
stone ginkgo
And I respect your apology, not all people are nice to apologize (or apologise).
Bro, I didnt apologize, I just explained stuff.. No need to judge, bro
gleaming vale
Oh hi circuit board
It's been a while
Sounds like old commercial
Like when there's no colored tv
true wind
Classic, I must add.
gleaming vale
Open settings
Find video and audio
Then click "test audio"
stone ginkgo
Classic, I must add.
Add what?
gleaming vale
Look my dms
We've met before
Talking about OOP
You talk that it's like baking
Yum super healthy
candid oasis
main garden
<@702587538849923122> how can I lift the suppression
?
stone ginkgo
I just say, if Opal would come to data-science session of discord, does he have anything to add
See u guys
stuck bluff
@uncut totem π
uncut totem
glad turtle
@uncut totem sometimes itβs best to give up. iβm noticing it myself.
stuck bluff
@lucid furnace π
lucid furnace
hi
how are u everyone
Hey guys can u please guide me
Data science is better or Data Analysis
@stuck bluff
@marsh lodge
@stuck bluff
@marsh lodge
@stuck bluff
which one i choose in your opinion??
@marsh lodge
marsh lodge
2D
lucid furnace
do you have complete control on C-shark and Unnity
can u guide me am fresher in my feild
i have to choose feild of Code World
@marsh lodge
Am fresher in Information Technology
@marsh lodge
DM please @marsh lodge
marsh lodge
I'm afraid I won't really be of use to you
mild light
yes ?
delicate wren
very grokful conversation
glad turtle
@delicate wren was the guy putting everything moonfrog said in grok and then just reading off the answer
delicate wren
<@264054779888533515> was the guy putting everything moonfrog said in grok and t...
no, Grok takes time to think
glad turtle
no, Grok takes time to think
maybe he had the most expensive paid plan..
vestal roost
I am new
stuck bluff
@boreal dune π
delicate wren
my only criteria for sharing/making a joke is whether it's funny to me
seems to work so far
umbral rose
!stream 317279909112446976
coarse hearthBOT
β @stuck bluff can now stream until <t:1754185586:f>.
delicate wren
@bitter cobalt similar in insanity to homeopathy
the history is so funny
how it got "invented":
the original author had quinine allergy
which has similar effects to malaria
which is treated by quinine
this is such a giant scam, it's everywhere
tonic
tonic is water+sugar+quinine
those side effects are very rare
so that "invention" is so random
entire industry got birthed by such a dumb coincidence
going back to the topic of books, https://zguide.zeromq.org/
half-guide half-rant
delicate wren
going back to the topic of books, https://zguide.zeromq.org/
afaik this does not get updated
burning of the Library of Alexandria is nowadays mostly considered to be a myth
yeah, also that
there is more than one library, there is more than one fire
it's more of a disrepair and negligence thing in the Europe overall at the time
just a long time of people not caring as much about science
and else
@noble flower Poland
delicate wren
afaik this does not get updated
since it's more of a book than a real tutorial/guide
@noble flower there is no discrete first human
just gradually evolved into
too blurry to specify the start
@pulsar lotus both
@noble flower there are multiple "Adams" and multiple "Eves" (in a sense of a common ancestor to all modern humans)
@sinful panther monetisation and open-source aren't mutually exclusive
(and I don't mean donations)
elder wraith
In the middle of the woods
sly pond
kitchen isn't gonna mop itself.
noble flower
@pulsar lotus
dry geyser
colors = ["Red","Burgendy","orange"]
for color in colors:
screen.fill(color)
colors = (Red,Burgendy,orange)
^^^
NameError: name 'Red' is not defined
pulsar lotus
colors = (Red,Burgendy,orange)
^^^
NameError: name 'Red' is not de...
like this:
screen.fill((255,0,0)) # (255,0,0) is Red
proper ridge
!e
a = (1, 2)
a += 3
print(a)
:x: Your 3.13 eval job has completed with return code 1.
001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 | File [35m"/home/main.py"[0m, line [35m2[0m, in [35m<module>[0m
003 | a += 3
004 | [1;35mTypeError[0m: [35mcan only concatenate tuple (not "int") to tuple[0m
!e
a = (1,2)
a += (3,)
print(a)
:white_check_mark: Your 3.13 eval job has completed with return code 0.
(1, 2, 3)
!e
a = (1, 2)
print(a[0])
:white_check_mark: Your 3.13 eval job has completed with return code 0.
1
!e
b = a = (1,2)
a += (3,)
print(a, b)
!e
a = set(["a","b","c"])
print(a)
print(a[0])
:white_check_mark: Your 3.13 eval job has completed with return code 0.
(1, 2, 3) (1, 2)
!e
a = {1, 2}
print(a[0])
:x: Your 3.13 eval job has completed with return code 1.
001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 | File [35m"/home/main.py"[0m, line [35m2[0m, in [35m<module>[0m
003 | print([31ma[0m[1;31m[0][0m)
004 | [31m~[0m[1;31m^^^[0m
005 | [1;35mTypeError[0m: [35m'set' object is not subscriptable[0m
:x: Your 3.13 eval job has completed with return code 1.
001 | {'a', 'b', 'c'}
002 | Traceback (most recent call last):
003 | File [35m"/home/main.py"[0m, line [35m3[0m, in [35m<module>[0m
004 | print([31ma[0m[1;31m[0][0m)
005 | [31m~[0m[1;31m^^^[0m
006 | [1;35mTypeError[0m: [35m'set' object is not subscriptable[0m
!e
d = {1, 2}
print(next(iter(d)))
:white_check_mark: Your 3.13 eval job has completed with return code 0.
1
which just gives some value not necessarily first
pulsar lotus
But its next in order?
delicate wren
!e
print(next(iter({"1", "2"})))
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2
It's random from what I recall. Can't count on it to maintain order.
proper ridge
So if you ever care about order in your datastructure, don't use sets.
delicate wren
dict is insertion-ordered
proper ridge
It's very good for cases where you don't care about order.
delicate wren
set is hash ordered first, insertion ordered second
noble flower
test_subject[0]='mohamad'
proper ridge
`dict` is insertion-ordered
dict has keys though, it doesn't need to be ordered.
pulsar lotus
I have no usecase for sets. I don't think I've used sets in anything... yet
delicate wren
dict has keys though, it doesn't need to be ordered.
it is ordered, just not by less/greater
noble flower
test_subject[0]='mohamad'
is this wrong
delicate wren
tuples are immutable
proper ridge
I have no usecase for sets. I don't think I've used sets in anything... yet
You have a set of labels, and you want to check if an input is in that set, otherwise raise an error.
delicate wren
!e
wrong = (1, 2, 3)
wrong[0] = 4
:x: Your 3.13 eval job has completed with return code 1.
001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 | File [35m"/home/main.py"[0m, line [35m2[0m, in [35m<module>[0m
003 | [31mwrong[0m[1;31m[0][0m = 4
004 | [31m~~~~~[0m[1;31m^^^[0m
005 | [1;35mTypeError[0m: [35m'tuple' object does not support item assignment[0m
π₯
pulsar lotus
!e
tests = {"john", "joe"}
tests[0]={"bob",}
print(tests)
test_subject1=('aya',10,15)
coarse hearthBOT
!e
```py
tests = {"john", "joe"}
tests[0]={"bob",}
print(tests)
```
:x: Your 3.13 eval job has completed with return code 1.
001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 | File [35m"/home/main.py"[0m, line [35m2[0m, in [35m<module>[0m
003 | [31mtests[0m[1;31m[0][0m={"bob",}
004 | [31m~~~~~[0m[1;31m^^^[0m
005 | [1;35mTypeError[0m: [35m'set' object does not support item assignment[0m
test_subject1
vs
test_subject[1]
delicate wren
tuples are primarily for heterogeneous items
@noble flower tuples are generally not meant for sequences, instead they're used to group values together in "rows"/"records"
things like tuple[str, int]
rather than tuple[something, ...]
elder wraith
And if my requirements get worse, learn SQLite
delicate wren
<@1145811320621510738> `tuple`s are generally not meant for *sequences*, instead...
(tuples do happen to be sequences, but that's more so that you can handle those heterogeneous things generically)
C#, Rust, C++ and some other languages very strictly do not treat tuples as sequences
"software development: our marathons are shorter than sprints"
@noble flower that page probably has the range specified
noble flower
<@1145811320621510738> that page probably has the range specified
ok thanks and sorry again
dry geyser
grass = (18, 182, 18)
delicate wren
upper limit
dry geyser
returns a ptoblem
screen.fill(grass_green)
^^^^^^^^^^^
NameError: name 'grass_green' is not defined
no
delicate wren
Clash Royale and Happy Farm are kind of the same game genre
dry geyser
its for a game
delicate wren
@noble flower they save way more than they pay out
dry geyser
got it to work
runic fulcrum
0
delicate wren
compared to the US, where Tucker is from, public transport in Russia exists, even in relatively remote places
so it's not just Moscow
stuck bluff
@glad venture π
delicate wren
I work nearly full remote, and some of my coworkers are full remote
you can also use AI for disposable code when you don't entirely understand the project or don't want to be bothered yet
prototypes or whatever
stuck bluff
@nova hill π
delicate wren
don't depend on AI-generated code
it must stay at the outer layers of dependency chain
=> learn patterns which allow you to keep it there
delicate wren
=> learn patterns which allow you to keep it there
sounds like a course idea
B2BSaaSathons
judged by the amount of compute wasted on parsing JSON
SOAP everywhere
yes
my only interaction with SOAP was UPnP
some parts of it are
running HTTP on top of UDP
the what
running HTTP on top of UDP using multicast
oh, wait, no, it's worse
I guess within local network they just assume UDP isn't as limited by packet size
stuck bluff
@grim wagon π
grim wagon
<@1354089012444270636> π
π«‘
delicate wren
@mild flume let the fish have some fun
dry geyser
player.draw(screen,ocean_blue)
~~~~~~~~~~~^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
TypeError: Player.draw() takes 2 positional arguments but 3 were given
pulsar lotus
player.draw(screen,ocean_blue)
~~~~~~~~~~~^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
TypeError: Pla...
you probably need to add self as the first argument in your Player class
delicate wren
@stuck bluff China helps both sides
Chinese soldiers there are by the same logic as Indian or Serbian soldiers
stuck bluff
@dusky wren π
stuck bluff
@lament wharf π
delicate wren
code first
right wing tech bro slogan?
stuck bluff
@ruby socket π
gloomy glen
i want to learn problem solving with python language, but i basically use c++, so converted to python is best option?
hollow blade
coarse hearthBOT
delicate wren
I recently went through a couple of months of believing Flask changed for the better
(it didn't)
"does HTTP run on top of TCP or UDP?"
π₯
@crystal aurora I do expect you to name one more thing in addition to UDP/TCP
@odd cliff it's actually the correct answer
odd cliff
agreed Alisa good mention
delicate wren
asyncio with the amount of stuff inside it covers so much
AbstractEventLoop is a giant interface
delicate wren
"does HTTP run on top of TCP or UDP?"
HTTP/1.1
(just to exclude QUIC from that question)
HTTP/1.1 actually doesn't change the answer (it's both)
thanks to UPnP being a weirdo protocol
they use HTTP over UDP
transaction isolation
I see transactions running into each others hourly, so this is far from unrealistic scenario
tulip palm
OMG this is very interesting, I'm learning a lot of concepts that IDK
tulip palm
Where can I find this kind of questions?
delicate wren
pseudoaccess
delicate wren
<@313797258200219648> I do expect you to name one more thing in addition to UDP/...
(TIPC)
lucid furnace
hi
lament wharf
<@1096004074094198875> π
What?
stuck bluff
What?
You'll have joined voice chat without voice privileges. I like to wave to such people in the text channels, because of the way they're set up here people often miss them. That way you can take part in any voice chats without having to speak.
lament wharf
Yeah I know
pulsar lotus
@delicate canyon
delicate canyon
hm
could this be bcz of a different browser?
me neither
for me it works so im confused
yeah
yeah
ye
π
yeah right
i will add the icon change too
alr
so how is it from the older one
yeah i didnt
dont do it
yea i didnt do media stuff yet
pulsar lotus
delicate canyon
media queries i mean
did u do media queries
i mean how did u handle the screen sizes?
pulsar lotus
delicate canyon
no idk about the libraries expect tailwind
yeah i know
i just.. didnt put them
pulsar lotus
delicate canyon
i was too lazy
i mean
i hate writing media query stuff i am not lazy tbh
but fine i will do it
just learn yeah
i'll do it with tailwind i gues
alr uh
I am
i hate doing responsiveness :/
ok
i will fix it
so uh
after this back to python ye?
k
i have
i mean well yeah
im shy
yeah hold on 1 minute i be back
back
so uh i've got ear phones and yk the built in microphone in them it works fine
i uh i have never talked in english in my life before
ok just
dont laugh okay it might be terrible
bruh say ok π
delicate canyon
@pulsar lotus linkedin
wintry magnet
delicate canyon
@pulsar lotus mb the power went out
pulsar lotus
no worries
delicate canyon
can u link the social media app u use
pulsar lotus
nedbat is on it
delicate canyon
uh ok
pulsar lotus
He signs up via hachyderm.io
I signed up via fosstodon (but they stopped the sign up for now)
Both of these are powered by Mastodon
delicate canyon
alr
late jasper
Hello everyone
dim tide
Hi
tough yacht
hey all
coarse hearthBOT
vital sun
anyone doing any project?
wooden dome
@glad turtle Hello?
glad turtle
glad turtle
<@264657660190654464> Hello?
hey hey
glad turtle
@slow scroll confirmation that your laptop can go all the way up to 64GB RAM
glad turtle
Could you check my laptop config?
what do you wish to do for it?
slow scroll
<@1035126380561694741> [confirmation that your laptop](https://www.dell.com/comm...
dayum i will be buying those ram sticks for sure, thank you for the help
glad turtle
Model : m3500QC
the memory for this model is "on board", some say soldered.
it's not meant to be upgraded. it can be but requires special equipment.
when you buy your next laptop, always check if it's DDR4 SODIMM and there is a maximum so you can know it's upgradable.
in the case of your model, the service manual doesn't mention the RAM, the user manual doesn't mention it either, meaning it's not meant to be upgraded.
btw, there's multiple M3500QC models, so your complete model name is required if you want to check.
references:
[1] https://www.asus.com/in/supportonly/m3500qc/helpdesk_service_guide/
[2] google search: site:notebookcheck.net inurl:m3500QC
wooden dome
the memory for this model is "on board", some say soldered.
it's not meant to be...
Vivobook_ASUSLaptop M3500QC_M3500QC
This is what I got from systeminfo
glad turtle
This is what I got from systeminfo
try hwinfo as well
glad turtle
I'm on windows
i use the portable version https://www.hwinfo.com/download/
glad turtle
Is this linux command?
on linux you have inxi, lshw, cpu-g, and many other ones
wooden dome
wooden dome
@glad turtle
wooden dome
on linux you have `inxi`, `lshw`, `cpu-g`, and many other ones
Interesting..
stuck bluff
@blissful walrus π
delicate wren
@pseudo solar just a clarification: here, problem means challenge not issue
it's something to be solved, not something to be fixed
thin lintel
@pseudo solar and @glad turtle if you guys are in need of help with code/helping with code, please go to Code/Help channel TOGETHER. This way we can continue our convo and don't need to channel hop,
delicate wren
π/Help
glad turtle
<@1342921665541177486> and <@264657660190654464> if you guys are in need of help...
i'm good, i won't disturb you any further, please carry on your conversation
wooden dome
Come on share some meme
delicate wren
Come on share some meme
arxiv 2504.00073
coarse hearthBOT
wooden dome
arxiv 2504.00073
??
delicate wren
arxiv 2504.00073
peak 1april arxiv
https://arxiv.org/pdf/2504.00073
the extrapolated graph is so funny
sullen crater
buoyant forge
What's happening in the server
delicate wren
Gensokyo
buoyant forge
What's happening in the server
The vc I mean
subtle mauve
Hello
stuck bluff
@subtle mauve π
stuck bluff
delicate wren
so many emojis
subtle mauve
so many emojis
tbh I made it using AI
never make a readme file
no I'm talking about the read me file
delicate wren
so many emojis
delicate wren
this looks more like an emoji for pinning tasks
subtle mauve
this looks more like an emoji for pinning tasks
blame GPT 4
I'll send a video of me using it
subtle mauve
delicate wren
https://docs.astral.sh/ruff/
it will catch and fix formatting inconsistencies, to make code easier to read
subtle mauve
I highly recommend installing this for development
what exactly does it do
subtle mauve
it will catch and fix formatting inconsistencies, to make code easier to read
does it work for linux nvim?
subtle mauve
it's a CLI tool, and likely has neovim integration
thank you so much
stuck bluff
@elder elk π
delicate wren
actually I don't have 3 spaces
subtle mauve
I have to line it up with the second word
stuck bluff
@clever isle π
delicate wren
the only place where I have 3 space indent I use tabs instead
subtle mauve
to look perfect
delicate wren
it's just formatted to look like 3 spaces
delicate wren
the only place where I have 3 space indent I use tabs instead
(there is no Python involved there)
subtle mauve
it's just formatted to look like 3 spaces
I have to press space and delete cause it automatically jumps ahead
delicate wren
the only place where I have 3 space indent I use tabs instead
that joke goes so far that even if you looked at it via GitHub web, it'd still be 3-space-wide
subtle mauve
I'm proud of it, but my mother's reaction wasn't let's say
delicate wren
Tabs are 8 characters, and thus indentations are also 8 characters. There are heretic movements that try to make indentations 4 (or even 2!) characters deep, and that is akin to trying to define the value of PI to be 3.
-- Linus
subtle mauve
the best
delicate wren
btw, you don't need \ here I think
https://github.com/Unholyblue/TheUnholyStash/blob/fffb7fdcb721e30812f35f9a71e647c5bfa12957/.local/bin/todo#L134
coarse hearthBOT
.local/bin/todo line 134
print(f'Removed \"{removed["description"]}\".')```
halcyon dagger
> Tabs are 8 characters, and thus indentations are also 8 characters. There are ...
4 spaces being indentation/equivelant to one tab is better than 8 or 2, 2 is too short, 8 is too long
subtle mauve
`.local/bin/todo` line 134
```todo
print(f'Removed \"{removed["description"]}\"....
what's wrong with this line?
delicate wren
what's wrong with this line?
you have ' as outer quotes, which already means you can use " directly without \
subtle mauve
oooh I see it
delicate wren
4 spaces being indentation/equivelant to one tab is better than 8 or 2, 2 is too...
it should be long, that's the point of that quote
don't indent so deep that 8 is too wide
subtle mauve
someone on reddit said it was made by AI which let's say I wasn't to happy to hear
delicate wren
Rationale: The whole idea behind indentation is to clearly define where a block of control starts and ends. Especially when youβve been looking at your screen for 20 straight hours, youβll find it a lot easier to see how the indentation works if you have large indentations.
halcyon dagger
I need space for text not white space
subtle mauve
never sharing anything on reddit again lol
delicate wren
someone on reddit said it was made by AI which let's say I wasn't to happy to he...
solution: don't use Reddit
subtle mauve
solution: don't use Reddit
fr
I was trying to get advice
but to be honest that guy was 1 out of 6 people who actually gave me solid advice
delicate wren
4 spaces being indentation/equivelant to one tab is better than 8 or 2, 2 is too...
The answer to that is that if you need more than 3 levels of indentation, youβre screwed anyway, and should fix your program.
subtle mauve
> The answer to that is that if you need more than 3 levels of indentation, youβ...
what π
delicate wren
Torvalds has some quite strong opinions
(do remember that this quote is about C not Python though)
halcyon dagger
> The answer to that is that if you need more than 3 levels of indentation, youβ...
I have a function, match statement and extra shitshow going on in my +3 levels of indent
halcyon dagger
Dont judge me
delicate wren
I have a function, match statement and extra shitshow going on in my +3 levels o...
yeah, this already gives 4 at least
class:
def:
match:
case:
...
my next project is gonna be more about what I wanna do
halcyon dagger
yeah, this already gives 4 at least
```py
class:
def:
match:
...
Yes exactly so 3 or more indent levels aint that bad
delicate wren
class:
def:
while:
try:
match:
case:
...
halcyon dagger
```py
class:
def:
while:
try:
match:
...
Now this is my style of spaghetti
subtle mauve
@stuck bluffI'm saying compared to other people (Microsoft, Apple..Etc)
delicate wren
Yes exactly so 3 or more indent levels aint that bad
actually depends quite a lot on the style
delicate wren
like if you go quite far into functional style, you may reduce the depth a bit
except for definitions of decorators
subtle mauve
like if you go quite far into functional style, you may reduce the depth a bit
do you think my coding is good?
or average
delicate wren
you really need to get it formatted first
and, the guideline that I always repeat: don't use os module
the only thing you need from there is environment variables
os.environ
subtle mauve
what about the os.path ?
coarse hearthBOT
Added in version 3.4.
Source code: Lib/pathlib/
This module offers classes representing filesystem paths with semantics appropriate for different operating systems. Path classes are divided between pure paths, which provide purely computational operations without I/O, and concrete paths, which inherit from pure paths but also provide I/O operations.
...
delicate wren
^ this is the proper way
subtle mauve
you really need to get it formatted first
I don't get this tho
delicate wren
AI doesn't recommend good libraries it seems
nor do many tutorials
delicate wren
I don't get this tho
inconsistent indentation
, missing spaces around operators and keywords (return specifically)
subtle mauve
please show me
coarse hearthBOT
.local/bin/todo lines 28 to 31
if not tasks:
new_id = 1
else:
new_id = tasks[-1]["id"] + 1```so it just comes down to practice to know which is good?
delicate wren
```py
class:
def:
while:
try:
match:
...
(how it's expected to be broken down)
class:
def:
while:
(method call)
def:
try:
(function call)
def:
match:
case:
...
now I'm feeling uncomfortable
that is so not satisfying to look at
subtle mauve
for whatever you use, including `os`, read the documentation
alright, will do
delicate wren
it has this note
subtle mauve
although I found argparse to be quite confusing
delicate wren
similar note in urandom
subtle mauve
similar note in `urandom`
interesting, it gives better alternatives
delicate wren
and another
delicate wren
I have a function, match statement and extra shitshow going on in my +3 levels o...
C does allow some things with indentation that Python doesn't (from same style doc)
switch (suffix) {
case 'G':
case 'g':
mem <<= 30;
break;
case 'M':
case 'm':
mem <<= 20;
break;
case 'K':
case 'k':
mem <<= 10;
fallthrough;
default:
break;
}
Why all of them left all the sudden?
clever isle
<@1387479447325904936> π
how do i fix rounding errors in my code
subtle mauve
is that chris
umbral rose
Yeah
subtle mauve
how are you doing
been a while
I'm doing good too
you probably don't recognize me, this is an alt, my main was Mr.z
pallid scarab
Whats up
pallid scarab
Anyone who knows game dev
subtle mauve
I just started game dev with Unreal and C++
wrong server
go to PirateSoftware's server
he'll explain everything on Mspaint
It was a joke
Flew over your head
oh true
"I ran out of mana" -Youknowwho
it was funny
some people do, but he also shouldn't act like he knows what he's talking about
and when people give him constructive criticism, he bashes out
you know Coding jesus?
subtle mauve
yo btw I made my first full on project
pallid scarab
Nah I never spam
sullen heath
yo btw I made my first full on project
niceee
pallid scarab
Guys I learned scikit learn should I keep improving that or start learning Tensorflow
delicate wren
Guys I learned scikit learn should I keep improving that or start learning Tenso...
those are related so you can learn them side by side
subtle mauve
but I loved it
pallid scarab
it was a CLI to-do list
I made that one also as first big project but with GUI
subtle mauve
on my own, but I asked AI to explain the syntax
I used Json
nothing too complicated
sullen heath
Guys I learned scikit learn should I keep improving that or start learning Tenso...
scikit is great for learning the fundamentals! I loved it for learning stuff like linear regression/random forest! to be fair, from here, if you wanna do ML/AI, look into both PyTorch and Tensorflow. They each have their pros and cons
delicate wren
after working with sqlx I don't want any other way to interact with RDBMSes
subtle mauve
Json was easy to use, loved it
delicate wren
way too convenient with near 0 abstraction
subtle mauve
csv on the other hand
delicate wren
JSON-to-Rust-to-CSV and back is quite easy
subtle mauve
Chris what's your main job if you don't mind me asking?
delicate wren
very easy to just offload all the logic to serde there
subtle mauve
JSON-to-Rust-to-CSV and back is quite easy
you can't turn it directly?
delicate wren
probably you can do something similar in Python too
delicate wren
you can't turn it directly?
nested fields don't map nicely, you do need some extra amount of logic
subtle mauve
why Rust
delicate wren
serde
subtle mauve
I am a professional rust hater
pallid scarab
Hello Milien
sullen heath
hello milien
subtle mauve
play what?
delicate wren
@thin lintel I will start the game soon then
subtle mauve
<@425552190283972608> I will start the game soon then
which game?
pallid scarab
Which game are you guys playing
delicate wren
I am a professional rust hater
remember: professional hater is less credible than just hater
subtle mauve
remember: professional hater is less credible than just hater
damn
delicate wren
as in "paid to dislike something" doesn't really sound that nice
subtle mauve
as in "paid to dislike something" doesn't really sound that nice
you're correct!
I am a no-fund hater
thin lintel
Civic 6
delicate wren
https://docs.rs/serde
especially with derive
@umbral rose as in was the save ever loaded?
subtle mauve
<@373121697957543946> as in was the save ever loaded?
did someone say my name
delicate wren
no
delicate wren
https://docs.rs/serde
#[derive(Deserialize, Serialize)]
struct Name {
#[serde(rename(serialize = "given name"))]
given: String,
#[serde(rename(serialize = "family name"))]
family: String,
}
#[derive(Deserialize, Serialize)]
struct Handle {
handle: String,
}
#[derive(Deserialize)]
struct Person {
name: Name,
#[serde(flatten)]
handle: Handle,
}
fn main() -> anyhow::Result<()> {
let Person { name, handle } = from_value(json!({
"name": {"given": "Alisa", "family": "Feistel"},
"handle": "parrrate",
}))?;
let row = (name, handle);
Writer::from_writer(std::io::stdout()).serialize(row)?;
// given name,family name,handle
// Alisa,Feistel,parrrate
Ok(())
}
being able to do stuff like this mostly through declarative logic is quite great
- inline JSON in a statically typed language
hmm
I think I can simplify it a bit
subtle mauve
```rust
#[derive(Deserialize, Serialize)]
struct Name {
#[serde(rename(seria...
is this rust
delicate wren
yes
delicate wren
```rust
#[derive(Deserialize, Serialize)]
struct Name {
#[serde(rename(seria...
slightly simpler now that I don't do any buffer manipulations
so it just prints directly
subtle mauve
ahh interesting
delicate wren
and, if you just take something from stdin and print it onto stdout it becomes just this
fn main() -> anyhow::Result<()> {
let Person { name, handle } = from_reader(std::io::stdin())?;
let row = (name, handle);
Writer::from_writer(std::io::stdout()).serialize(row)?;
Ok(())
}
(use statements and other declarations omitted)
delicate wren
```rust
#[derive(Deserialize, Serialize)]
struct Name {
#[serde(rename(seria...
so most of the logic is in the types rather than some imperative code
untested, but this is approximately what needs to be done to process an entire array rather than a single value
fn main() -> anyhow::Result<()> {
let rows = from_reader::<Vec<_>>(std::io::stdin())?
.into_iter()
.map(|Person { name, handle }| (name, handle));
let mut w = Writer::from_writer(std::io::stdout());
for row in rows {
w.serialize(row)?;
}
Ok(())
}
(or the same thing written slightly differently)
fn main() -> anyhow::Result<()> {
let mut w = Writer::from_writer(std::io::stdout());
let rows = from_reader::<Vec<_>>(std::io::stdin())?
.into_iter()
.map(|Person { name, handle }| (name, handle))
.try_for_each(|row| w.serialize(row))?;
Ok(())
}
hello
stuck bluff
@pallid scarab π
pallid scarab
Hello opal
pallid scarab
(or the same thing written slightly differently)
```rust
fn main() -> anyhow::Re...
What is this
delicate wren
examples of converting from JSON to CSV with Rust
delicate wren
```rust
#[derive(Deserialize, Serialize)]
struct Name {
#[serde(rename(seria...
types are defined in this message
stuck bluff
@ashen dew π
pallid scarab
types are defined in this message
Is rust easier than C++
pallid scarab
Generally
delicate wren
it's easier to do things correctly in Rust
it's easier to do things incorrectly in C++
pallid scarab
it's easier to do things correctly in Rust
it's easier to do things incorrectly ...
Do you know C++
delicate wren
I know enough of C++ to see how irresponsible it is to use that language
pallid scarab
You seem to have very bad relation with C++
I am new to C++ though
Learning with DSA
stuck bluff
@dense trench π
pallid scarab
<@951046146745327708> π
Opal man you can talk you know
dense trench
<@951046146745327708> π
hello
pallid scarab
<@951046146745327708> π
Just talk random than it's feeling boring
delicate wren
imo C is best for learning the basics of data structures
whereas Rust is more suited for higher level stuff
pallid scarab
<@951046146745327708> π
You seem too serious to talk man
dense trench
@stuck bluff Can I ask your opinion on a thing ?
delicate wren
whereas Rust is more suited for higher level stuff
iterators and things alike
dense trench
Do you think as the browser wars reignite in this ai era will we ever see browser kinda consuming the user space in the OS ?
delicate wren
C++ got iterators, slices and ranges completely completely wrong
delicate wren
Do you think as the browser wars reignite in this ai era will we ever see browse...
chromebook
dense trench
chromebook
yes a good example
delicate wren
much of modern Windows runs on browser-like stuff
wasn't the start menu react or whatever now
dense trench
much of modern Windows runs on browser-like stuff
the start menu is a react app true
even spacex dashboard
on the dragon capsule
pallid scarab
Hello milen
delicate wren
half crest
Is rust easier than C++
yes and no
its easier in the sense of better errors, better abstractions, etc etc
but stuff like the borrowe checker take a little bit to get used to
delicate wren
but stuff like the borrowe checker take a little bit to get used to
C++ has lifetimes too and they're way more confusing
and instead of the compiler you have to rely on your understanding of the standard
edgy chasm
@fair heron just put this in the same place i put mine: https://github.com/Spelis/Spelis/blob/main/.github/workflows/snake.yml
thats the snake thingy
might need some tweaking idk
<img src="https://raw.githubusercontent.com/osyra42/osyra42/output/snake.svg" alt="Snake animation" />
@fair heron
stuck bluff
@crimson wharf π
neat mountain
@fair heron the link to the image seems broken... could u check? it returns a 404
lone crypt
wassup
:/
yeah my name isnt really that easy to say
i cant stream so i cant show the current progress of my game
neat mountain
@last hedge Wait, am I just seeing things, or does your profile picture really lip-sync when you speak?
edgy chasm
<@380987045008506880> Wait, am I just seeing things, or does your profile pictur...
it doesn't lip-sync
just activates an animation when hes talking
neat mountain
@edgy chasm i see π
lone crypt
break does stop a while loop (while True), right?
edgy chasm
yes.
edgy chasm
show the code?
lone crypt
im thinking cause of the function
neat mountain
im thinking cause of the function
are u sure it reaches the if answer lower branch? Can you do a print so we can see? Just before the 1st if
lone crypt
wait i think i found the solution
last hedge
im thinking cause of the function
you are comparing awnser.lower() against a string with uppercase letters btw
lone crypt
wait
neat mountain
Also i think you prolly wanted to write "answer" @lone crypt
lone crypt
OH MY GOD I JUST HAD TO PUT A FUNCTION AFTER THE WHILE LOOP
I AM SO STUPID
-# i mean i stopped working on this before i knew about slightly complex stuff like breaks
grave abyss
gaunt bolt
beta move
@edgy chasm You know the reason why everyone learns java over rust is because most companies built their apps or solution with java
i can speak btw
edgy chasm
<@710856373675491381> You know the reason why everyone learns java over rust is ...
you know why java is slow
cause it has a massive virtual machine running
gaunt bolt
@edgy chasm what made you learn rust btw was it your first programming language or waht
edgy chasm
and takes tons of memory
edgy chasm
<@710856373675491381> what made you learn rust btw was it your first programming...
just heard it was good
gaunt bolt
and takes tons of memory
that is true
but it is very popular
just like why linux is better than windows in so many ways but windows has more users
You have been active for fewer than 9 ten-minute blocks. what does this mean
edgy chasm
You have been active for fewer than 9 ten-minute blocks
gaunt bolt
90 mins then
clear kindle
ππΏ
night wren
Hello
gusty pendant
mild light
Yeah I agree
wooden dome
Are we talking about game?
glad turtle
@proper ridge
class Solution:
def addStrings(self, num1: str, num2: str) -> str:
a=list(reversed(num1))
b=list(reversed(num2))
if len(a) < len(b):
a,b=b,a
a+=[0]
a[:]=list(map(int,a))
b[:]=list(map(int,b))
carry=0
print(a,b)
for i in range(len(a)):
ai=a[i]
bi=b[i] if i<len(b) else 0
a[i]=ai+bi+carry
if a[i]>=10:
a[i]-=10
carry=1
else:
carry=0
if a[-1] == 0:
a.pop()
return "".join(map(str,list(reversed(a))))
a=Solution()
print(a.addStrings("456","77"))
#print(a.addStrings("11","123"))
feral path
hey guys could you help me with something i cant talk because im server muted
glad turtle
hey guys could you help me with something i cant talk because im server muted
!voice
coarse hearthBOT
glad turtle
!voice
proper ridge
vowels_found = []
positions = []
vowels = ['a', 'e', 'i', 'o', 'u']
s = [char for char in s]
for i, char in enumerate(s):
if char in vowels:
vowels_found.append(char)
positions.append(i)
vowels_found.reverse()
for i, j in enumerate(positions):
s[j] = vowels_found[i]
s = ''.join(map(str, s))
vowels_found = []
positions = []
vowels = ['a', 'e', 'i', 'o', 'u']
s = [char for char in s]
for i, char in enumerate(s):
if char in vowels:
vowels_found.append(char)
positions.append(i)
for i, j in enumerate(positions):
s[j] = vowels_found[-(i + 1)]
s = ''.join(map(str, s))
@real dune π
fossil dust
!voice
coarse hearthBOT
tame leaf
Wudder buddle
umbral hemlock
make sense for me @tame leaf
lana is ukrainian your native language because you have 0 accent
i thought you were like from the us
i'm not from the us
sly anchor
Heello
umbral hemlock
hello
lost pollen
Hi
lost pollen
was it because of me?
umbral hemlock
@stuck bluff do you know shodan is on sale at 5$
oh okey i see
i see
If you find yourself grouping data and the functions that work on that data, a class is often the right tool
@lost pollen
stuck bluff
@wheat verge π
wheat verge
hi
im making a code to open a headles window then go to kahoot to put a random pin then check if the pin works or not then close it
i have been testing a good amount
is there somwhere i can show u my code(sry i just joined the server a min ago)
stuck bluff
This doesn't sound like something I can help with. #βο½how-to-get-help
wheat verge
oh ok no wories sry boput that
vital maple
hiπ
lyric crane
hi
wooden dome
@buoyant crater If it is dedicated it is definitely Heating and Power Supply issue!
buoyant crater
Very possible
@glad turtle It has liquid metal from factory and the fans have been dusted within the month.
I do believe it is genuinely failing and there isnt much i can really do about that.
glad turtle
<@264657660190654464> It has liquid metal from factory and the fans have been du...
interesting, what laptop model please? with cpu and gpu name please
buoyant crater
interesting, what laptop model please? with cpu and gpu name please
One second
Asus ROG Zephyus GA402RJ
Ryzen 9 6900hs
RX 6700s
wooden dome
Okay try this :
buoyant crater
Yes?
wooden dome
Did you try to update the driver?
wooden dome
Hmm
buoyant crater
Im usually decent at troubleshooting and figuring out what is wrong, but this one has me stumped.
glad turtle
@buoyant crater here's where you find details about your laptop.
in that link it says it shouldn't go higher than 54 C (129 F).
buoyant crater
(case temp)
For the chassis
Not the CPU and GPU
They stay around 75-85C under high load
glad turtle
@buoyant crater I mean you'd have to check RPM fan speed, also temperatures, to make sure they're within reasonable limits.
maybe your fan/cooler is broken..
I had a mini pc with a broken cooler and it was running hot and making noise, until I replaced it. I was able to identify it was broken because its RPM was lower than the other same model mini pcs.
buoyant crater
Under extreme load they will spike to 90-95C
glad turtle
Under extreme load they will spike to 90-95C
That's very hot for sure.
Have you considered a Cooling Pad?
buoyant crater
Under extreme load they will spike to 90-95C
This is still extremly normal for these models of laptops
glad turtle
I have one
Does it make a difference?
buoyant crater
Has "helped"
lowered temps from 96c to 85c
still crashes
tJMax: 95Β°C
For this cpu
glad turtle
still crashes
Looked at Windows Event Viewer? typically it gives you info on why it crashed or what has crashed
buoyant crater
Looked at Windows Event Viewer? typically it gives you info on why it crashed or...
error 6008: Unexpected shutdown occured
Nothing else
glad turtle
error 6008: Unexpected shutdown occured
And prior to that, were there any errors?
glad turtle
error 6008: Unexpected shutdown occured
Can you get it to crash reliably? Are crashes linked to high temperature?
buoyant crater
Crashes are linked to heavy load as opposed to temperature
Could be either one though
wooden dome
In your laptop GPU and CPU both have metal cooling.
So I guess fan must be having some trouble and putty or pad on vram must be in bad shape
make sure to check it out
buoyant crater
I will
wooden dome
Other way is to find log
buoyant crater
The only reason i dont think that liquid metal has spilled is that the laptop would have been fully dead by now if it was shorting.
glad turtle
The only reason i dont think that liquid metal has spilled is that the laptop wo...
did you take out the heatsink so you can look at the liquid metal?
buoyant crater
2000$ laptop is not on my list of devices i want to disassemble
Im ok opening the cover and dusting/cleaning
but digging deep is something i am not comfortable with
Its not that im not good at it
I am
wooden dome
2000$ laptop is not on my list of devices i want to disassemble
In that case, hire a technician
buoyant crater
Its just i dont like doing this
wooden dome
error log can give you insist about problem
check the error logs
buoyant crater
error 6008: Unexpected shutdown occured
this
Asus/ROG is known to have not good QC (Quality Control)
wooden dome
does blue screen appear before crash
buoyant crater
does blue screen appear before crash
Never
wooden dome
Okay so it rules our bsod
buoyant crater
Just black screen fans turn off
Whole laptop just hard off
Like holding the power button
wooden dome
And you are certain it is not a driver conflict?
wooden dome
100% sure hardware issue
buoyant crater
99.9%
wooden dome
You should contact a computer technician
glad turtle
buoyant crater
<@1143951099007606825> for your BGP learning/study:
https://blog.ipspace.net/tag...
Thank you
glad turtle
@buoyant crater For your laptop crashing/shutting down, you need to monitor it probably via HWinfo that writes metrics into a file.
So when it crashes, you can do a bit of statistical analysis to see if you can correlate it with high load or high temperature, and how
high of a temperature it really is.
buoyant crater
<@1143951099007606825> For your laptop crashing/shutting down, you need to monit...
I did do that but I got distracted and never read the file, thanks for reminding me, I have a file from when it crashed.
glad turtle
I did do that but I got distracted and never read the file, thanks for reminding...
Yeah if you can get like 3-4 crashes, then you can throw those files into Excel and start looking at the numbers, maybe make some charts.
You may find that it crashes at high temperatures only in which case you found out what's happening.
If it crashes for low-temp.. then it's something else.
wooden dome
@glad turtle I would like to say something to you
It was nice knowing you
You always help fellow member
I really appreciate you..
scenic harness
Which side of the Inshove landing side terf war are you guys on
glad turtle
<@264657660190654464> `api_key` in the URL looks very off
i'm still learning it
delicate wren
cookies are still the way
my screen just locked
not my doing
@crystal aurora we can hear
I think the only language I actually forgot how to use is Pascal
the language that I have the most opportunity to forget next is Lua
but it was way too recent (4~9 years ago)
most of my non-trivial learning of Lua was 7~9 years ago
yes
delicate wren
most of my non-trivial learning of Lua was 7~9 years ago
(fundamentals of what _ENV even is)
delicate wren
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCezIgC97PvUuR4_gbFUs5g
@quick tide if you want a quick answer
!resources
coarse hearthBOT
delicate wren
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCezIgC97PvUuR4_gbFUs5g
there are always more radical options
glad turtle
I think if I co-author a book titled "Python Exercises" or "Python Challenges", I can become a rich man.
delicate wren
"How to Make Money with Python Exercises"
glad turtle
"How to Make Money with Python Exercises"
Buy my book, but hurry up to catch the 80% discount.
delicate wren
there are always more radical options
he's funny but finding any video that's appropriate to post is quite a challenge
@crystal aurora "gave up everything for trading, then found out there is more to give up"
glad turtle
in Abu Dhabi is there tax on trading?
delicate wren
the expected return, factoring in the tax people, is somewhere around 0Β±(creative accounting)
@crystal aurora well, what else you expected from such name
lmao
@fossil dust consider learning to communicate in the human society, useful skill
glad turtle
@fossil dust please..
delicate wren
<@1159220320222334997> consider learning to communicate in the human society, us...
this is for your education
fossil dust
this is for *your* education
why dont you talk about your criminal 500K job offer?
glad turtle
@fossil dust please chill
delicate wren
why dont you talk about your criminal 500K job offer?
if you think in Russia this is some sort of secret or private thing, go learn
I can very readily publish the details
as I've done multiple times
Ο
delicate wren
I can very readily publish the details
okay so, public warning for any other Rust programmer:
if you're getting contacted because someone found your codeforces account and you wants to work on some exciting Tor-related project,
don't
or, to a broader audience, telegram isn't a place for job offers
delicate wren
why dont you talk about your criminal 500K job offer?
and, fun fact, you got the number right, just for the wrong currency and wrong duration
these people, while they pay quite a lot for an "entry" level, don't pay enough
not worth the risk, ever
oh, and it might sound funny or weird, but there was one other reason why I rejected:
no open source
which is, while a dumb business decision, is understandable within their circumstances
also these fools upgraded to Gitea 1.23, very unfortunate for them
as in they can't upgrade to Forgejo
delicate wren
okay so, public warning for any other Rust programmer:
if you're getting contact...
oh, and if you're a sketchy employer:
probably check before starting your offer with "I found your contact through codeforces"
vale tinsel
Hi @crystal aurora
delicate wren
TIL Telegram updates embeds of earlier messages
I do dislike that I didn't use '\N{plus-minus sign}' in a message
I think I grew even more pedantic about typesetting since then
!e
print('\N{plus-minus sign}')
:white_check_mark: Your 3.13 eval job has completed with return code 0.
Β±
to my surprise, they tried to make up some story for where the money is coming from
@crystal aurora general assumption is that something is known that others don't
i.e. this is kind of unanswerable
misty sinew
Hi π
glad turtle
taxonomy ontology..
delicate wren
@crystal aurora the main point there: there isn't a necessity for edge/advantage over others
misty sinew
Am I at wrong place?
glad turtle
Am I at wrong place?
wrong for what?
delicate wren
Am I at wrong place?
it is in some remote sense Python-related
misty sinew
wrong for what?
IDK, I can't comprehend most of the discussion.
delicate wren
also these fools upgraded to Gitea 1.23, very unfortunate for them
[translation]
ah, understood, it [TL note: Forgejo] isn't needed, I think, everything is working for us already, not planning to migrate
@crystal aurora I'm not violent enough to call this "the most punchable sentence" but this I did consider insta-blocking in response to this
delicate wren
IDK, I can't comprehend most of the discussion.
"don't worry, they neither"
misty sinew
it *is* in some remote sense Python-related
Good to know, I'm at right place!
glad turtle
IDK, I can't comprehend most of the discussion.
it's about trading. what do you want to talk about?
misty sinew
it's about trading. what do you want to talk about?
Python
misty sinew
okay alright. what about Python do you want to talk about?
I got no clue about python
I'd like to know about it and learn
delicate wren
dumb suggestion, but I recommend this anyway: https://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/index.html
it is up-to-date
glad turtle
dumb suggestion, but I recommend this anyway: https://docs.python.org/3/tutorial...
@misty sinew have you read the tutorial ? ^^
delicate wren
@vale tinsel or they want to GPT it
glad turtle
I'd like to know about it and learn
or you want to vibe-learn Python?
misty sinew
<@456226577798135808> have you read the tutorial ? ^^
No I have not!
delicate wren
@crystal aurora audio cut out?
@vale tinsel it's fine on your end, Maro seems to have connectivity/audio issues
misty sinew
or you want to vibe-learn Python?
wat is vibe-learn?
misty sinew
dumb suggestion, but I recommend this anyway: https://docs.python.org/3/tutorial...
I appreciate it!
delicate wren
@crystal aurora now works again
glad turtle
No I have not!
is it possible to learn Python by not reading anything about it?
misty sinew
is it possible to learn Python by not reading anything about it?
Idk
glad turtle
No I have not!
can you teach me how to learn Python without reading any books or writing any programs?
it'd be so much faster than what I'm doing now
misty sinew
can you teach me how to learn Python without reading any books or writing any pr...
How could I teach you?
I have no clue about python!
glad turtle
How could I teach you?
I have no clue about python!
well, it looks like you're learning Python without reading anything about it.
teach me how to do that.
misty sinew
well, it looks like you're learning Python without reading anything about it.
te...
I'm learning about it, haven't understood it yet!
vale tinsel
<@969393422504968192> or they want to GPT it
Don't understand
delicate wren
Don't understand
you were talking about people entitled to learning a language in only a month
(the context for that reply)
vale tinsel
you were talking about people entitled to learning a language in only a month
Ohhh lol yeah
misty sinew
I got to know about Python from CS50
glad turtle
I got to know about Python from CS50
did you like CS50?
misty sinew
did you like CS50?
I hate it, most of it is yapping!
glad turtle
I hate it, most of it is yapping!
really? wow.. ok
glad turtle
has no meaning to me
let me show you an image
misty sinew
@vale tinsel Python is mixture of English + Maths.
This is my understanding about it
misty sinew
let me show you an image
hm...
delicate wren
okay I'm back with a sudden enlightenment
@crystal aurora I already forgot, but was it you or ikβ asking about whether it's possible to learn something just by watching (rather than doing)
misty sinew
what do you think about this image?
Confusing but I suppose chain starts from bottom right corner ball
glad turtle
has no meaning to me
What about this image? Does it have meaning?
misty sinew
What about this image? Does it have meaning?
No clue
delicate wren
the response would be the question about where I learned C++ move semantics from
misty sinew
Does it make you curious what it means?
yes
delicate wren
or, like, anything sane related to C++
@fossil dust when borrowing open-source code for reference, I highly recommend leaving a link to the original in a comment or somewhere else
(first for yourself, so you can find it again quicker, and secondly because license)
having code be source-linked simplifies debugging later a lot
fossil dust
<@1159220320222334997> when borrowing open-source code for reference, I highly r...
yeah Im trying to understand how to best use it
thanks for telling
delicate wren
((most people won't care that much about the license, but both GPL fanatics and Oracle exist))
if it relates to AWS, might be useful to ask AWS
https://aws.amazon.com/q/developer/
misty sinew
@glad turtle Could you explain the meaning of the image?
glad turtle
<@264657660190654464> Could you explain the meaning of the image?
That's for you to find out. they say "An image says a thousand words".
misty sinew
That's for you to find out. they say "An image says a thousand words".
This is the best guess I have : different outcome from same input
delicate wren
as you might expect, there is no clarification on whether those are real or benchmark
@fossil dust if you go with VSCode,
for linting and formatting: https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=charliermarsh.ruff
for working with pyproject.toml: https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=tamasfe.even-better-toml
and for READMEs, docs, whatever: https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=DavidAnson.vscode-markdownlint
mentioning these because they're still not always the default
misty sinew
I have some doubts about voice call
delicate wren
linting is very often missing
misty sinew
may I ask?
glad turtle
may I ask?
why not?
misty sinew
How come I can't talk?
delicate wren
formatting is often done with black+isort, but those are sometimes problematic
!voice
coarse hearthBOT
fossil dust
<@1159220320222334997> if you go with VSCode,
for linting and formatting: <https...
thanks a I will check them out
misty sinew
π₯
delicate wren
Even Better TOML seems to be more of a Rust thing, I haven't seen it recommended in Python spaces enough
and Markdownlint is often overlooked because Prettier formats Markdown too
Java 17 app starting a Java 8 container
delicate wren
and Markdownlint is often overlooked because Prettier formats Markdown too
formats badly
markdownlint will get angry at you if you use prettier against .md files
@vale tinsel I don't remember whether we had told you that before, but please leave the system Python alone
you really shouldn't tie yourself to it
misty sinew
I wish I could connect to the discussion in Voice Chat 1.
delicate wren
either have something (not the system) that manages Python interpreters for you, or do it yourself if you want so
@glad turtle what are you meaning by type inference?
I might've missed the context
glad turtle
<@264657660190654464> what are you meaning by type inference?
I'm not sure, possibly some not-yet-mature type hinting.
I'm just trying to use his terminology.
delicate wren
I've deployed Python 3.8 FastAPI+Pydantic apps after 3.8 was dead, so it does work
the answer is almost always only uv or docker, if you have even a slightest hint of such issues
uv also pins dependencies
which is more important
@vale tinsel are you doing pip freeze?
delicate wren
`uv` also pins dependencies
when your server host dies, you need to restore the exact same dependencies as before to guarantee it works as it used to
which requirements.txt on its own doesn't give
delicate wren
Did you guys made commerical software in python?
gradually rewriting whatever we had into Rust wherever possible
misty sinew
gradually rewriting whatever we had into Rust wherever possible
Rust?
delicate wren
FastAPI remains as an option for something live-reloadable, but not really a priority any more for most projects
misty sinew
Wat da hel is rust?
delicate wren
https://docs.rs/axum
FastAPI and axum can be viewed as a pair of similar things
delicate wren
C++, but done correctly
OCaml: Mozilla Edition