voice-chat-text-1

[delicate wren]

both are developer network

MDN is Mozilla

MSDN is Microsoft

MSDN for Windows, C# and MSVC

@sly pond imagine Reddit but only coding

that's what you can get from registering at StackOverflow

arguing with people 🚀

you can also be wrong on purpose when answering your own questions

[sly pond]

That's the best way

[delicate wren]

probably should use separate accounts

[sly pond]

Absolutely

[spare trellis]

I do things in reverse. I did the informal study of Python when it was fun while pursuing a career as a financial advisor - that didn't work out, so I got my MBA. Then I got a job programming, so I got 10 years experience as a programmer and did an MS in CS (still trying to finish it up).

[delicate wren]

I don't want to do a programming degree

[spare trellis]

then don't

I have FOMO

[delicate wren]

either Mathematics or Ecology

[rustic iris]

i feel like you don't need it if you already understand code and how it works

[spare trellis]

also I like the idea that if having a degree ever comes up I can check the box.

[rustic iris]

that's fair!

[umbral rose]

!stream 344164464062496768

[coarse hearth]

✅ @untold fern can now stream until <t:1752021199:f>.

[glad turtle]

@spare trellis the 155h cpu laptop you recommended is on my shortlist.

i'm still torn on whether to get a snapdragon plus laptop.
CTRL+F for "noise level" to see how silent it is
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Asus-VivoBook-S-15-OLED-Snapdragon-8-core-laptop-review-An-almost-silent-everyday-companion-with-the-Snapdragon-X-Plus.885871.0.html

[delicate wren]

or something sociology-related but that's kind of suboptimal to study here

relatives also suggest me to do a biology degree

[fossil halo]

@untold fern what are you looking to do?

Like do you want to be a data scientist?

You just want to learn?

[spare trellis]

I wouldn't say I recommended a laptop, I just showed you what I got, how I found it, and how you might do similarly

[delicate wren]

how many hours on battery?

mostly unrelated: have you seen the dual-screen ASUS laptop?

[glad turtle]

9h they say. it is compelling, but still reading reviews.

[delicate wren]

I have ASUS with Ryzen, it's 10~22h

[glad turtle]

exact model please?

[delicate wren]

one of zenbooks

time to search

ZenBook 14 UM3402

something like that

CPU is relatively performant

until the last upgrade, my PC was less powerful than it

[glad turtle]

how's the noise on this UM3402 ?

[delicate wren]

@umbral rose for comparison: afaik I technically don't have a strict clear NDA, instead it's kind of a "do not be a totally dumb about it" clause
(just not sharing competitively differentiating information)

[delicate wren]

existent when under stress, normally not too loud

but, yeah, it's not designed to be silent

my large intel server is quieter when under 100% load

(effectively a PC)

[delicate wren]

(quiet case + some extremely good fan)

[glad turtle]

that's the thing with these laptops. they barely do anything and still get hot, it's incredible.

[umbral rose]

https://webscraper.io/test-sites

[delicate wren]

we did some data processing in school but we didn't web scrape

downloading government data instead

which had errors in it

so we also implemented programmatic cleaning of it

[umbral rose]

https://www.scrapethissite.com

[delicate wren]

aaaaa

💥

time to go

[umbral rose]

Have a good sleep!

[spare trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/so-hot-summer-hot-as-fuck-fan-aircon-gif-7294951

My computers all my life...

[true valley]

https://www.ultrabookreview.com/6520-fanless-ultrabooks/

[fossil halo]

Im trying to install a new linux distro

Does anyone have any recommendations with configs

[spare trellis]

you can see mine: https://github.com/aaronchall/config

[fossil halo]

Can you share your desktop?

I wanna get an idea of the layout

[spare trellis]

I'm eating, will be done in a few minutes lol

[fossil halo]

Ive used popOS and ran kali on a vm

I like the more minimal look that came with xfce on kali

If ur eating ill brb too, imma shower rq. Ill be back in 10ish

[spare trellis]

sounds good

[fossil halo]

I am here

Nice

Do you have an app menu?

High level is cool

And an overview of the conf repo/how nix files work would be cool

so console.nex, gui.nix, x1.nix, and programming.nix mainly have the different packages you want to download and install right

i have a question

x1 and nat are 2 different hosts?

[spare trellis]

x1.nix and x1 is for my laptop, nat.nix is my wife's laptop (idea)

[fossil halo]

if they're both system configs i get lost

its not like theyre two users right

[spare trellis]

x1 is my hostname, idea is her hostname

[fossil halo]

can a laptop have 2 hostnames?

whats the difference between a user and hostname

[spare trellis]

hostname is the name of the computer, which can have multiple users

so idea has nat and aaron

[fossil halo]

so does that mean the computer has two names? x1 and idea

[spare trellis]

nope, these are configs for two different computers, x1 is my laptop, idea is her laptop

I only have an account on her laptop to provide support (which under linux is not very often for her - but right now we're still getting set up.)

I haven't pushed her laptop config to my repo yet

[fossil halo]

so when nixos reads the flake file, it reads nixosConfigurations.x1 first, and since it can only have one it ignores nat's?

would you just comment out x1's configurations when you want to setup her laptop?

[spare trellis]

no, I'll be running it on her system so it will use her's by default.

[fossil halo]

because it matches the hostname when u run it on there?

[spare trellis]

yes. you shouldn't have to comment out stuff to make code work properly in different environments

[fossil halo]

im still trying to wrap my head around the system know which config to choose

its not like it has a hostname before the os is configured right

[spare trellis]

Default is nixos on this distribution

you should pick a name that uniquely identifies the computer to you

https://nixos.org/

[fossil halo]

nope, ill check out the docs

thanks!

im gonna head out

[spare trellis]

Good luck.

[rough leaf]

Hi, i new to python, anyone got any tip's? I have been reading the Python docs

am*

yes

YES

[spark iron]

use the ROADMAP

[pulsar canyon]

Hey everyone!

I'm excited to share that I'm about to start the Agentic AI Roadmap by Codebasics. I only know the basics of Python, so this will be a learning experience for me from the ground up. If anyone is interested in learning together, sharing progress, and supporting each other along the way, I warmly welcome you to join me on this journey!

If you'd like to be my companion, just reply to this message. Let's build and grow together! 🚀

Looking forward to connecting with fellow learners!

[high scarab]

!tempvoicemute 930360330230595624 "2 weeks" Spamming messages to up your message count is not the way to get voice verified. You can still join voice channels without being verified; you just have to get some legitimate server activity in order to get verified.

[coarse hearth]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied voice mute to @gritty plaza until <t:1753359447:f> (14 days).

[pale pivot]

https://www.linkedin.com/in/gpekhimenko/

[frail laurel]

sorry, my mic has issue

Hi @spare trellis

nice to meet you

i can not speak atm

what the issue?

[rough leaf]

What's good!

[stuck bluff]

@frigid blaze @uneven roost 👋

!voice

[coarse hearth]

Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

[stuck bluff]

I hope I got the right Seb.

[spare trellis]

🤷‍♂️

[gritty wharf]

Is anyone here learning AI and machine learning

[true charm]

hello

[round ermine]

he

[fast goblet]

Hey guys

[delicate wren]

interrogating people on small irrelevant questions a bit too much

[delicate wren]

"bad" is subjective

and contextually it wasn't about bad/good

[shut vine]

hello

[warm citrus]

Hello

Hows you dud

im getting start to learn python im work current with data analitcs

i was read somthings about automate things with python like chat bot and anythings

[stuck bluff]

@fair fox You're welcome to pop down with us.

[gray creek]

Waves in here?

[mighty dome]

hi i want help in docking process in aws and

in

render

i use yt dl

mo

no

its mine

own

see

[fair bobcat]

hey what are u working on

[round ermine]

halp

[blazing hazel]

hii

@stuck bluff

i cant speak hehe

due to the voice verification thing

[zinc rain]

same brother

[blazing hazel]

Yaa after some time u can

[zinc rain]

Yeah waiting for that time to come , till then i am overoptimizing for problems i dont have yet with my py script 😛

[blazing hazel]

Haha

[delicate wren]

I haven't heard enough positive about civ7 to consider buying it

@wary fable thanks for retranslating the loudness

I don't think I can buy civ anyway

@umbral rose feel free to annihilate that fascist thing out of the server 🚀

no one is against it

cannot civ6

[delicate wren]

I bought it

[delicate wren]

@fallen delta are you calling in from a school?

with your classmates?

[fallen delta]

Sort of

You could call it that way

Although it really isn't that

[delicate wren]

also kind of funny how you called people of foreign countries "migrants" even though it has nothing to do with anyone migrating anywhere

limited lexicon is amusing to witness

@thin lintel Russian kids seem to be gone if you wish to come back

[delicate wren]

(this was said in Russian, calling people here migrants)

[elder wraith]

What? Migrants is anyone who moves from one country to another. If I moved to Denmark, I’d be migrant.

[delicate wren]

that's why I said "of" not "from"

[delicate wren]

that user called Clari and Milien migrants because they're not Russian

that was such a wtf moment

it just illustrates how people where I live are so xenophobic they forget the word "иностранцы" (people of other countries) exist and default to using "мигранты" (migrants)

because, just like in the US, news are constantly about "migrants did this, migrants did that"

also, yes, I did forget kids don't have school during this time, it's likely summer camp or whatever instead

[thin lintel]

What else did they say about us?

[delicate wren]

nothing else; just kids forgetting how to use words of their own language

the state of post-2021 Union State education is horrifying

(tautology intended)

[delicate wren]

🏓

[dusky cloud]

here?

okay

I can't do it

Because I joined recently

Yeah, I can imagine why they do it

I don't write slow, is just that english is not my native lengauge

lenguage

Is spanish

hehe

I'm from Argentina

and you?

Is Milei

I don't like him

I'm not sure if he is doing it well, I mean

He uses decrees and rejects what legislators offer.

And some times it is necessary and important

[granite imp]

i don't even have a microphone

[dusky cloud]

I don't know

I'm actually a child xd

I have 16 years old

[granite imp]

how old are you?

[dusky cloud]

Yes, lucky me haha

[granite imp]

28?

[dusky cloud]

I'm actually making a trading bot

I have problems with the backtesting

scalping and

you are talkinb about the manipulation?

Trust me I have it under control. I inform myself about what I'm doing. I'm just learning about the risks.

So you are new at python?

[granite imp]

when did you start learning Facu?

[dusky cloud]

Oh I understand

[dusky cloud]

Like with 13 years old I started

[lone crypt]

https://www.practicepython.org/

[dusky cloud]

Interesting

I practice doing proyects

And I never end them because I get overwhelmed/frustrated

With what did you get a bug?

[granite imp]

that's crazy

you learn in your part time?

[dusky cloud]

You said to many thinks very fast, I almost understood "ssh" and a little more

xd

[lone crypt]

import random

a = random.randint(1, 9)

def is_number(guess):
    try:
        int(guess)
        return True
    except ValueError:
        return False

guesses = 0

while True:
    while True:
        guess = input("Guess a number between 1 and 9 or exit: ").lower()
        if guess == "exit":
            break
        if is_number(guess) == False:
            print("Please type a number or 'exit'")
        if is_number(guess) == True:
            break

    guess = int(guess)

    if guess == a:
        print(f"You guessed the number correctly! The number was {a}.")
        guesses = guesses + 1
        if guesses == 1:
            print(f"You got it in {str(guesses)} guess.")
            print("Play again!\n")
            guesses == 0
        else:
            print(f"You got it in {str(guesses)} guesses.")
            print("Play again!\n")
            guesses == 0
    elif guess > a:
        print(f"Your guess {guess} is too high.")
        print("Try again!\n")
        guesses = guesses + 1
    elif guess < a:
        print(f"Your guess {guess} is too low.")
        print("Try again!\n")
        guesses = guesses + 1
    else:
        print("Error")
        break

    ```

[dusky cloud]

Yeah, I learn at the vacations

The think that is wrong is that you didn't use a conditional (if) in the

"is_guess" function

So you are not going to know if that is the guess

[granite imp]

if the person types exit does the program stop or restart?

[dusky cloud]

Okay, I definitely rushed to give you a solution very quickly...

[granite imp]

@dusky cloud where did you learn python from?

[dusky cloud]

That was only to convert it to int, now I see 😅

[dusky cloud]

I've learned from youtube actually

With "Dalto"

That's the name of the youtuber

You can reuse code

[granite imp]

how much time did it take you to be really good with it

[dusky cloud]

and you don't need to convert it to str when you use f"{variable}"

it converts it anyway

[granite imp]

you're spanish?

[dusky cloud]

also, every time you say: "play again!" you are trying to asign 0 to "guesses" incorrectly if I'm not wrong

[dusky cloud]

Yes, I'm from Argentina

[dusky cloud]

You do guesses == 0 and I think is guesses = 0

oh okay

[lone crypt]

import random

a = random.randint(1, 9)

def is_number(guess):
    try:
        int(guess)
        return True
    except ValueError:
        return False

guesses = 0

while True:
    while True:
        guess = input("Guess a number between 1 and 9 or exit: ").lower()
        if guess == "exit":
            break
        if is_number(guess) == False:
            print("Please type a number or 'exit'")
        if is_number(guess) == True:
            break

    guess = int(guess)

    if guess == a:
        print(f"You guessed the number correctly! The number was {a}.")
        guesses = guesses + 1
        if guesses == 1:
            print(f"You got it in {guesses} guess.")
            print("Play again!\n")
            guesses = 0
        else:
            print(f"You got it in {guesses} guesses.")
            print("Play again!\n")
            guesses = 0
    elif guess > a:
        print(f"Your guess {guess} is too high.")
        print("Try again!\n")
        guesses = guesses + 1
    elif guess < a:
        print(f"Your guess {guess} is too low.")
        print("Try again!\n")
        guesses = guesses + 1
    else:
        print("Error")
        break

[granite imp]

can you explain this part i don't undrestand it

def is_number(guess):
try:
int(guess)
return True
except ValueError:
return False

[dusky cloud]

what is wrong with the exit?

[dusky cloud]

He did a function just to do the same that "int" does, but he is also handeling the exception if someone writes something that is not a number

Is printing something on the console if that happens. That's the only difference between using the function and using int()

[granite imp]

how do you do to write the program this way

i mean on discord

[dusky cloud]

with ``

that

[lone crypt]

3 x `

use backticks, but you use three

in line

[granite imp]

print('Hello , world!')

[dusky cloud]

great!

[granite imp]

ok thx

i'm not

[dusky cloud]

mindfule dev, I've entered today at the server

[umbral rose]

!stream 223839302914801664 40M

[coarse hearth]

✅ @lone crypt can now stream until <t:1752712407:f>.

[dusky cloud]

Can you give me permission to talk? please

with the mic

why you got all red bro?

[umbral rose]

Sorry, everyone has to go through the voice gate. Just keep chatting with us here and you'll get access soon enough.

[dusky cloud]

okay but in two days

Chris, do you know python right?

[umbral rose]

Yeah.

[dusky cloud]

Because I need help with my code and is a little bit more complicated

I'm using the backtesting library

And, the plot() it has with it, is really ugly

yeah a trading bot

So, I want to use javascript with a library of trading view

To see it on my own web interface

The thing is: I don't know how to get the indicators name

yeah that's it

I know, that's not the hard part

[granite imp]

you can combine languages?

[dusky cloud]

Kind of

You save information in files

and then, you take it with the other script that is using another lenguage

The attribute of the class "backtest" named _indicators is a list with anothers lists

Each element is a list of each indicator

Yup

But it don't have the name of the indicator

And I want it

Yes

sure, but, to match it I have to do it manually

And that's not how it would be propertly

[sullen heath]

hey chris

coding up rn

[granite imp]

how much time does it take to be really good at python approximately

[dusky cloud]

my message is too long, I can't paste the code

Sorry, are you talking to me?

oh okay

[umbral rose]

!paste

[coarse hearth]

Pasting large amounts of code

If your code is too long to fit in a codeblock in Discord, you can paste your code here:
https://paste.pythondiscord.com/

After pasting your code, save it by clicking the Paste! button in the bottom left, or by pressing CTRL + S. After doing that, you will be navigated to the new paste's page. Copy the URL and post it here so others can see it.

[granite imp]

do you work chris?

[dusky cloud]

!paste

!paste https://paste.pythondiscord.com/IKIA

[coarse hearth]

Pasting large amounts of code

If your code is too long to fit in a codeblock in Discord, you can paste your code here:
https://paste.pythondiscord.com/

After pasting your code, save it by clicking the Paste! button in the bottom left, or by pressing CTRL + S. After doing that, you will be navigated to the new paste's page. Copy the URL and post it here so others can see it.

[sullen heath]

aughh

I'm tryna make my program work

but I think documentation is out of date 💀

btw I can't hear anything lol

[dusky cloud]

The think is: I have to do a class of a strategy that inherits the "Strategy" class

In that class I can define every indicator

Even, I can name each, with the optional parameter name=

I did it, but is still hard to get them

And is not practic, to "guess" the order of each indicator to identify it and assign it a name.

I don't know if I explain myself well

I'll be back soon

I'm back

I didn't get the question

You want to know the response of the console?

PS E:\carpetas_windows\Programacion\bot_again\interface> & C:/Users/Admin/AppData/Local/Programs/Python/Python313/python.exe e:/carpetas_windows/Programacion/bot_again/a.py
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "e:\carpetas_windows\Programacion\bot_again\a.py", line 114, in <module>
export_lightweight_chart_data(stats)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~^^^^^^^
File "e:\carpetas_windows\Programacion\bot_again\a.py", line 82, in export_lightweight_chart_data
for name, series in strategy._indicators.items():
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
AttributeError: 'list' object has no attribute 'items'
PS E:\carpetas_windows\Programacion\bot_again\interface>

Chris

😦

[umbral rose]

I was trying to help. Could you hear me?

!e

data = {
    "indicators": ["apl", "btc", "ffc"],
    "prices": [[1, 3, 6, 2, 1], [7, 4, 2, 4, 1], [9, 3, 4, 5, 3]]
}

for i, indicator in enumerate(data["indicators"]):
    print(f"{indicator}: {data["prices"][i]}")

[coarse hearth]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.13 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | apl: [1, 3, 6, 2, 1]
002 | btc: [7, 4, 2, 4, 1]
003 | ffc: [9, 3, 4, 5, 3]

[harsh flint]

Python: sympy.isprime(n) or use gmpy2.is_prime(n)

@lone crypt

AKS Primality Test (2002)
Deterministic Miller-Rabin
@lone crypt

[high oriole]

he

[stuck bluff]

@misty sinew I'm down here in the other vc.

[misty sinew]

Whyyyy u move bro

Ohhh u team blue?

Ohh

Yeah- uh

I wish I could talk

I hate typing to talk to u

I wanna use my voice

[dry geyser]

How are you Opalmist

[misty sinew]

Ohhh

So I just won’t ever be able to talk

Dang

Is like that

😭

My name is stuoid

Ion use this server much-

BRO WHY R U COMPLIMENTING MY HORRIBLE NAME

Yes exactly

I understand but like

I mean it might make u look fat

My brain been broke

So ur saying you do t like those languages with the glottal stop thing

Yk what I’m talking about?

That pause in words? In other languages

YES!

Like when u get shocked you say A- then cuts off

Matches me

🖤

Can u say bottle of water

DANG IT

BRO

Really??

[stuck bluff]

@misty sinew #media-processing message

@misty sinew 👋

!rule 5 @misty sinew

[coarse hearth]

Rules

5. Do not provide or request help on projects that may violate terms of service, or that may be deemed inappropriate, malicious, or illegal.

[sacred shuttle]

' Mindful Dev (Chris) ' ,,, HEY bro nice to meet you bro . what's UP 🤗

[umbral rose]

Hey! Nice to meet you too! Not too much, you?

[high oriole]

he guys

[dusky ore]

Greetings fellas

[tender sand]

!clean until #voice-chat-text-1 message

[sour gust]

isnt that in australia?

nvm its near kenya

[round ermine]

yeah same problam

i think

[warm citrus]

LOL IM SO HAPPY STUDING PYTHON YAY

GOD SAVE THE PYTHON

lá ele

[fleet flicker]

-_-

[round ermine]

he

[warm citrus]

Hey

Some projects to do today?

😄

[round ermine]

noting realy

i dont know why i stoped coding

i dont fell it

[zinc rain]

hey

@glass sable

[livid orbit]

@zinc rain

[zinc rain]

Hey @livid orbit

Hey @misty sinew whats up

I am coding my first django app

[rotund valve]

hey

[zinc rain]

Hello @sick iron

Whats cooking

[sick iron]

yo, hello

[rotund valve]

hey ?

[sick iron]

I am a newcomer

[zinc rain]

hey

[rotund valve]

why i am not allow to speak or share screen in the VC

[zinc rain]

Me too , i mean been a week but still new

[zinc rain]

server rules , u have to wait for 3 days and 50 msgs

Better this way

[rotund valve]

i got you

[sick iron]

just checking python servers to find some code-buddies xdd

[rotund valve]

is it like i have to stay in VC for 3 days?

[sick iron]

thats cool bro

[zinc rain]

sure u can add me if u wanna

[rotund valve]

or from the day i join the server

[sick iron]

from the day

I guess

[zinc rain]

check server rules for detailed documentation 😉

[rotund valve]

i see

[zinc rain]

@terse sapphire whats cooking bruv

[rotund valve]

@terse sapphirehey

[sick iron]

we are not able to talk

hello

yep, muted conversation

cuz of rules

[zinc rain]

yeah , we all pretty new

[rotund valve]

what you up to?

[sick iron]

so, we are just chatting

ahhagagahah

ye, thats weird

[rotund valve]

either I

[sick iron]

admins

I guess xd

mods, I mean

[zinc rain]

we are basically using Assembly level language when u can use GOlang

[sick iron]

ahahahahah

[rotund valve]

I am from Jordan

hehehehehe

[zinc rain]

what did u predict from using "bruv" @terse sapphire

[sick iron]

Moscow bro

[rotund valve]

where you from admin @terse sapphire

[sick iron]

nice

[zinc rain]

i am from city called London

[rotund valve]

London, moscow, turkey and jordan

[sick iron]

really?

u know russian?

wtf

I cant type

now I can ahaghagah

[rotund valve]

هاي

i type arabic

see

[sick iron]

ye

[rotund valve]

unmute meeeee

[sick iron]

thats cool

[rotund valve]

yeah

i complete 3 days in this server

[zinc rain]

You know when i was a kid i wanted to visit mascow , but now i think it was all propoganda ? But still i wanna visit remote lads in russia where there are only 10 old school wooden houses and lots of babushkas , Something so mesmering abt far stretched lands

[rotund valve]

they must verify me

[sick iron]

lots of babushkas xdd

[zinc rain]

dont forget 50 msgs

[sick iron]

I want to move on from here, anyway

[zinc rain]

Yup

[sick iron]

nahhh

we have! xdd

[rotund valve]

am i allow to make spam?

1

2

3

4

5

hehe

[misty sinew]

6

7

8

[zinc rain]

dont spam

[misty sinew]

9

[zinc rain]

stop or you might get banned

and i dont want u all

AOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[sick iron]

Mcdonalds is still present in Moscow, but under different name

[zinc rain]

damn i am screaming my lungs out

[sick iron]

"Tasty and thats all" - something like that

[sick iron]

xdd

[zinc rain]

@terse sapphire

welcome

[sick iron]

thats old pic

[zinc rain]

to russia

[sick iron]

thats mcdonalds nowdays

yeee

ahhagghaha

ye, exactly

ye, thats it

I am here from my birth

I just learnt eng

:((

Ye, bro, good luck to u

breaking bad, what are u typing

[zinc rain]

@calm osprey ur name reminded me of 2b2t minecraft server

[zinc rain]

nothing a buncha thoughts

[calm osprey]

It's 2d from vrc

[sick iron]

u just was typing for so long, ahahah

[sick iron]

I played there, btw

[zinc rain]

yeah , today i am trying to SMASHHHHHH my keyboard

hey @worthy owl

[sick iron]

cuz of rules

[zinc rain]

@worthy owl we are waiting for our priviledge

@misty sinew what lang u use now ?

RIPP my ears offf pls

and burn my memory

[sick iron]

why

[zinc rain]

JS my arch nemesis

[sick iron]

ahahahha

Btw, I just solved spiral matrix

literally if/else hell

[zinc rain]

@worthy owl @misty sinew According to what i think about python is :

1. Its slower
2. It uses interpreter not compiler which have disadvantages
3. If you start development of an APP in Py there are sooo many packages you will get confused which to use actually , unlike js you choose react / vue / node express or in PHP choose laravel etc
4. Python is only populor bcas AI ML was developed in it (mostly) and in some cases it pays more than PHP / C
   I have more arguments but by then it will turn into a book and i might get an PHD

TLDR ; Python sucks but its ok as long as we can make app work and companies pay for it :p

[worthy owl]

yeah

[worthy owl]

fr..

[sick iron]

How long have you been programming?

[zinc rain]

8years

[sick iron]

oh sheeesh

[zinc rain]

Yup , i feel i was born in 1980s

[sick iron]

hahahahah

really a lot

[misty sinew]

Javascript, python, typescript

[zinc rain]

how much u coded for

[sick iron]

6

months

xdddddddddddddddd

[zinc rain]

Hey no i am not py expert, but i can solve any problem or expain anything to a level

@worthy owl

[sick iron]

python is my singular language

[zinc rain]

Learn it , its very useful

[sick iron]

ye, I know, I am kinda addicted to it already

[zinc rain]

make a wifu pillow and sleep with it so you can be the greatest

[sick iron]

AHAAHAHAHAH

[high scarab]

!tempvoicemute 418836917870919680 "2 weeks" Spamming messages to up your message count is not the way to get voice verified. You can still join voice channels without being verified; you just have to get some legitimate server activity in order to get verified.

[coarse hearth]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied voice mute to @rotund valve until <t:1754322048:f> (14 days).

[delicate wren]

hi Brad

[zinc rain]

@worthy owl , If you are good with basics of python , there is nothing special in AI ML , there are levels to AI/ML for e.g. DEEEEP LEARNING (where you need to not only know python but ml concepts as well like , what is neuron , what are weigts , what are different ml algos) , A level lower than that might be just a Dev who is using PRE-BUILT model to take output and use it

[high scarab]

hello

[sick iron]

hi

[zinc rain]

lovely

[sick iron]

btw, I was in India

two times

[worthy owl]

ok Gotit.. that what i was seeking for

[sick iron]

in "Goa" state

[zinc rain]

Glad to be helpful 🤟

[worthy owl]

how was it?

like experience

[worthy owl]

u from?

[sick iron]

amazing environment, beautiful views

but I had an allergy to the sunscreen

and 4 days I was just laying down in my hotel

[worthy owl]

ahn.. goa is a gud place to visit with too many baddies to hit on 😂

nd views too

[sick iron]

that happened on the second time

[worthy owl]

ohhk..

1st time was where?

[sick iron]

mb I will go there again, some day. Anyway, it was a really cool experience

[sick iron]

still in Goa, I was 2 times there xd

[worthy owl]

Shish.. two times in one state.. had a gf there or like something u loved there?

[sick iron]

nahhhh, just loved this place xdd

it was 3-4 years ago

Its a really peaceful place, not so popular for tourists from Russia, so I found there salvation from my stressful life, for some time, ahahah

[worthy owl]

ahn.. ok glaad u loved it.. if u liked goa like.. u can visit like in west side of India...

in "seven sisters of india"

[sick iron]

for sure, some day I will return and visit other places

[worthy owl]

so ur from Russia right?

[sick iron]

yee

I live in Moscow

[worthy owl]

ahn... moscow.. uff wht a wonderful place for real.. wanna visit some day..

(saw some reels of that place)thats it

[sick iron]

ye, its really beautiful place to visit, but when u live here constantly u can be overwhelmed by all of that, ahah

sometimes u just get tired of ur city

[worthy owl]

😮‍💨

[sick iron]

like, this isnt about Moscow, i meann.. I think its common for most people

to be bored with ur city

and to have aspirations to move on

somewhere else

[worthy owl]

ahn... especially for us coders who like 24x7 stays in room with rarely any social life

[sick iron]

AHHAAHAH, exactly

sometimes I feel isolated, ye, all these people outside walking around, chilling

and u are 24/7 solving problems with ur soft

but I am not complaining, I love this

[worthy owl]

yeah...we have to

[sick iron]

and are u python-developer?

[worthy owl]

Yes

[sick iron]

are u backend/AI?

data-scientist?

[worthy owl]

backend... Flask and Django

[sick iron]

oh nice, I am learning FastAPI right now, for backend too

[delicate wren]

for a couple months I thought Flask stopped being bad

then realised I was mistaken in believing it properly adopted ASGI

it didn't

[zinc rain]

Hey if u know django and flask and afastapi , i wanna ask u which one do u relaly prefer

[delicate wren]

so Quart still exists

[worthy owl]

Know basics of it like pandas and numpy and matplot

[sick iron]

thats cool

[delicate wren]

you're still choosing?

[zinc rain]

WHich one do u prefer FASTAPI / DANGO or Flask

[zinc rain]

No i choose

[delicate wren]

FastAPI for stateless, aiohttp for stateful

[zinc rain]

I CHOSE DJANGO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! its a chaos in here but still i will have to cry and code

[sick iron]

And what kind of project are u building?

[delicate wren]

meanwhile, in case of Rust, axum or tide for both

tide when I'm feeling extra contrarian

[zinc rain]

Making a an app for ML for antropy anomaly detection

[sick iron]

interesting

[worthy owl]

For basic sites, will go with flask like ecom, blog.. For complicated sites that have analytics.. and many other functionalities, will go with django for sure.. because it has compilation of all the packages. No need of import and more secured compared to flassk

[zinc rain]

@delicate wren did you check Masonite ? The python framework , ithink its wayy better than django

[delicate wren]

I'm not really doing much Python recently

I found out that with Rust there is just a way smaller surface area to most frameworks

[worthy owl]

Where did u learnt ml from?

[zinc rain]

sadly i agree , but sadly Django is a mess , more ugly than ugliest spaghetti noodles

[delicate wren]

I can just go and learn the entirety of axum and axum-extra in, like, a day

[zinc rain]

ok its my time to put some music in my ears

[worthy owl]

For real brother

[worthy owl]

which...? taylor swift😂

[zinc rain]

I love boom bap , Kill s out of ur code kinda vibes

some times romantic and lofi

[delicate wren]

meanwhile me listening to StP when coding

[sick iron]

mostly - I listen phonk while I am coding

xd

[delicate wren]

actually I just listen to whatever

StP just happen to release an album recently

3 days ago

[worthy owl]

lana del rey....uff songs.. are calming

anyone here listens her songs?

[sick iron]

no, I didnt know about her

mostly I am into phonk, metal, screaming-rap or rock

[worthy owl]

U r a phonk lover u wont like them... (though i too listen phonk during workout)

[sick iron]

ye, for workouts its top-notch

[delicate wren]

speaking of metal, the album I mentioned
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4MT_YH5r3E

[sick iron]

wtf, its blocked, even tho I am using vpn

weird

[worthy owl]

sad vro

[sick iron]

oh shit

I found it

ye, thats hard

[livid orbit]

Hey

[sick iron]

mb even too hard for me, ahahah

[livid orbit]

I wanted to ask smth

[zinc rain]

yeah whats up

shoot at me

[worthy owl]

🔫

[sick iron]

or alternative rock, sometimes

[livid orbit]

💥🔫

[livid orbit]

Can I dm u rq?

[livid orbit]

Can I dm?

[zinc rain]

https://tenor.com/view/feeling-nothing-feeling-empty-bored-kid-stroty-of-my-life-gif-17013742

[livid orbit]

Rq

[zinc rain]

sure

[worthy owl]

@zinc rain hey.. if i got struck in ml at some point then i ill dm u.. so dont mind huh

[delicate wren]

the technique Alex uses in the second track is kind of new for him, at least judging by publicly released stuff

(the mid/high white-noise-ish sounding)

[sick iron]

u talk about this album?

[delicate wren]

yes

[sick iron]

hmm

[delicate wren]

I think the first time was in the self-cover of Demolisher a few months prior

[thin lintel]

Best https://youtu.be/mIodjhm5KOk?si=gv_lFfNokPZJ8YGJ

[worthy owl]

Sapphire by ed sheeran.. any one?

[sick iron]

whats that

[worthy owl]

ed's new song.. is fantastic with collab

[delicate wren]

M-x ed

[tight cipher]

?

[delicate wren]

ed

[sick iron]

checked it ye,

[delicate wren]

a more passive aggressive version of vi(m)

[thin lintel]

https://youtu.be/xf_4uvymwRw?si=FJYhLcb2PfzjZ0Ym

[sick iron]

the bee

nice xd

my favourite banger for coding:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DV7J9kwAtOQ

[delicate wren]

the cover in question
https://youtu.be/GNxQr6N7pjc?t=53

[worthy owl]

@delicate wren @sick iron can you share ur playlists.. i m short of them.. actually I get bored of music too soon..
(IF U DONT MIND)

[sick iron]

sure bro

[sick iron]

freddie dredd is another beast

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AOmAa96Fb4

[delicate wren]

found it in the list

[worthy owl]

yeah..

[sick iron]

do u listen him?

[sick iron]

ye, corpse is a beast

[delicate wren]

just for the context of how random it is

[sick iron]

Meladze? AHHAHAHAHAAH

WTF

where are u from?

Russia?

[delicate wren]

approximately

[sick iron]

I got it

[worthy owl]

yeah.. started listening just a min before

it is.. really gud

[sick iron]

my playlists kinda random too, but still, mostly there are violent/depressive/melancholic songs

not violent, agressive, I mean

or eminem

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEf34tG_beU&list=RDtEf34tG_beU&start_radio=1

[delicate wren]

another funny random sequence of artists

[worthy owl]

by guys.. taking a leave

[sick iron]

see ya bro

[zinc rain]

Meanwhile me vibing on this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWaymcVmJ-A&pp=ygUIbWFjYXJlbmE%3D

[delicate wren]

there is some occasional presence of memes in there

[sick iron]

ahagahga

macarena is classic

[zinc rain]

Yeah , it always make me leave coding and dance

[sick iron]

xd

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ann_XMs-gfc&list=RDAnn_XMs-gfc&start_radio=1

pretty random too, even some old stuff, like white town

[zinc rain]

@sick iron ig u must have gone 50 msgs by now :p

[sick iron]

u mean, I can talk?

nah, I need to wait 3 days

[delicate wren]

also requires 72 hours in the server

[sick iron]

:((

[delicate wren]

I should get back to practising vocals at some point

@sullen flicker 👋

[sick iron]

hello akitoo

[rotund valve]

hii

@sullen flicker

yes

it is

[delicate wren]

I have, like, a considerably wide range

[rotund valve]

i prefer it over kitty

[zinc rain]

ohh nvm , i hope 3 days later i will be same sane person

[rotund valve]

it was my previous terminal

[sick iron]

xdd

[rotund valve]

i am a MacBook user

[delicate wren]

||6|| octaves on record

[rotund valve]

do you use Arch

that is so cool

[delicate wren]

Win10/Ubuntu20.04/Ubuntu22.04/Ubuntu24.04/openSUSE Tumbleweed/microOS/Alpine
things I normally have to deal with

[rotund valve]

it is still Unix based system so i consider my self as cool too

[delicate wren]

also Debian I forgot which version

[rotund valve]

i am currently learning numpy and pandas

[delicate wren]

macOS is more Unix than Linux

in both senses of that comparison

[rotund valve]

yeah

[sick iron]

I installed windows on my Macbook

I am monster

[rotund valve]

i have old macbook

[delicate wren]

BSD and illumos are probably the closest to Unix currently

[rotund valve]

i am thinking of installing a linux distro

but i am not sure

[sick iron]

kali

[delicate wren]

old => non-ARM presumably

[rotund valve]

it's a M1

[sick iron]

for fun

[delicate wren]

so not old

asahi linux then

[rotund valve]

not interested

[delicate wren]

you basically have one option

can Arch even run on an M1?

[rotund valve]

yeah

[delicate wren]

the default Linux option for Apple M* platforms
https://asahilinux.org/

[rotund valve]

this is the most suitable distro for my old macbook

i am not sure honstly

[sick iron]

noooo, I know about that meme bro xd

[delicate wren]

it's been only 5 years

[sick iron]

but I didnt play osu

[delicate wren]

sounds like a boeing plane name

[sick iron]

ahjhaghagahah

[rotund valve]

i am not verified

[sick iron]

me too

[rotund valve]

where you from akitoo

[sick iron]

evil moderators

[rotund valve]

indian

[sick iron]

Im just joking xdd

ahhahaha

[opaque sky]

good hbu>

?

[delicate wren]

Julia

[opaque sky]

Julia

lol

[sick iron]

Im just procrastinating here, to be honest

just chatting

[opaque sky]

it's a name

and a pl

yes

what's the topic today?

or js random chatting?

[sick iron]

random

[delicate wren]

at least 60% of VC has some sort of ties to Russian language

[sick iron]

ye

[opaque sky]

I ain't tho

but yea

maybe

[rotund valve]

call me yaxi

the cool yaxi

[delicate wren]

(yeah, that's why I chose to say "Russian language" not "Russia")

[opaque sky]

understandable

[delicate wren]

@oblique orchid equivalent to a specific case of B-Tree iirc

I really prefer AVL over R-B

I've never implemented R-B

but

[sick iron]

slav gang

[delicate wren]

I've implemented B-Trees several times

[rotund valve]

hii

how to get verify so quick?

[delicate wren]

https://docs.rs/sodiumoxide/latest/sodiumoxide/crypto/sealedbox/curve25519blake2bxsalsa20poly1305/index.html

[opaque sky]

yap 50 msgs

easy

[delicate wren]

5 didn't fit

[sullen flicker]

https://discord.com/channels/267624335836053506/764802555427029012

[delicate wren]

fixed (in a creative way)

!pypi batgrl

[coarse hearth]

batgrl v0.48.3

badass terminal graphics library

Released on <t:1751169272:D>.

[delicate wren]

^ this is great

[sick iron]

😦

[delicate wren]

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/salt-die/batgrl/main/preview_images/application.gif

[opaque sky]

wait for more several days

[delicate wren]

salt-die is the author

[sick iron]

I can read, ye

ahahah

[delicate wren]

he has more examples in the repo

[opaque sky]

ig it was 10 days at least

[sick iron]

rly?

[opaque sky]

didn't mean it this way lol

yup

[sick iron]

I understand, I am just chilling broo

no offense

[delicate wren]

https://github.com/salt-die/batgrl/tree/main/examples/advanced/minesweeper

[opaque sky]

alr np

[sullen flicker]

https://youtu.be/o_uZ6Ln3tBE

[sick iron]

wat is that

[delicate wren]

the only thing I did with ASCII rendering was kind of the hello world of it (bad apple)

eh

batgrl is a library

[opaque sky]

EXACTLY

oh man

[delicate wren]

most of what you see salt-die make, others can use

the whole point there is reusability

you can actually just go and build """useful""" stuff on top of it

[sick iron]

I ll be back in 30 mins, see ya guys

[delicate wren]

how else are you going to render anything when your OS is Emacs

Zig is a better introduction to C

than C

Zig can compile C

void * char * for everything is sometimes not the right way

@oblique orchid explicitly pass in to every function working with memory

it's a resource and an argument, not a global thing

yes

@sullen flicker it might end up being just a library

async

not a language feature

the demo Andrew showed there was not that good

unfortunately

if you manage to write code in C/C++/Zig/Rust which operates at different speeds, something went wrong

the RoR project got delayed for indefinite amount

probably until the next weekend

[zinc rain]

Happens

[delicate wren]

the [FILTERED] right after logs showing the same details in plain text is funny

[vital elbow]

yo

@delicate wren

i got a question

[delicate wren]

what is the question?

[vital elbow]

u good with RTC?

@delicate wren

like b audi and rtc

?

[delicate wren]

just ask the question

[vital elbow]

fine yk discord nodes?

for stereo

[delicate wren]

send the link

[keen plaza]

If anyone knows how to band their Instagram account then please tell me

[alpine galleon]

Hello everyone maddyy here
I want to develop a QR based web application for college project
I know Python basics like print (" hello word")

What can I do

Suggest some ideas

If possible

?

[stuck bluff]

@bleak forge 👋

[bleak forge]

Hi

Why can't I speak?

[stuck bluff]

!voice

[coarse hearth]

Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

[cobalt olive]

@plucky moss

can u help me?

check pm

im new user i cant share and talk

[unborn mason]

I’m a new user I can’t talk pls
Help

[dull trench]

What do to need?

[sick iron]

wait

for the verification

[left glen]

How to get permission to speak

Can you do me a favour

Actually i made a discord server for my college mates can you give me feedback on how to improve

Ok nevermind

Are you doing job or in college

What your age

Ok cool

I am 18 just a beginner

You like pair programming

You are active on discord

Where are you from

I am moving soon there may be

Russia for education

Yaaa india

Russia is very friendly to Indian

You do bodybuilding

Which sport

Any sport

120 kg without steroid end of bulk in 2 weeks

Yaa

Bulk

80 kg is perfect

Thats an ideal wait

Can you say again i didnot heat

Hear*

okk

I am 192cm

I actually looking for someone online to pair programming

[round barn]

shit man this is dumb wish I could talk wanna do a groupchat

oh

just moved here

@sick iron

ye i heard you

[left glen]

It actually cool just like buddies . It feel just like someone is just hardwork like you it push you to do so

[round barn]

wb this?

imma head out i want to speak

i said we could move to a gc

ye

chill cow you down?

[left glen]

Actually i am also new on discord donot know much

Nevermind bro

[round barn]

we'll add you and then we can speak

serbian

здрасвуите

[left glen]

How much time you think it take to learn russian

I am think learn writing and reading before coming to russia

Nem has send you a req on the chat accept that and join

[stuck bluff]

!voice

[coarse hearth]

Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

[delicate wren]

cats are taking over the thing I'm working on

too many cats

need to introduce a no-cats header

[jaunty cedar]

@proper ridge hello, may i ask you some question

i dont have permission to chat there TT

ah my bad

[proper ridge]

#voice-chat-text-0

There.

May I ask what your question is by the way?

[dull parcel]

hello

um cause we dont have permission yet

yep

[ornate sand]

hey

[wanton ore]

haha I know its silly

do we really have to wait 3 days 😦

@ornate sand

[ornate sand]

what's up?

[dull parcel]

oh no ive already done 3 days

you still have to do the minute block things

ima do the same rules in my servers

i might do like maybe 3 10's tho

[ornate sand]

I like cats but any pet is good for me, you just have to understand him/her

oh you too

0:18

it's sad that I can't talk yet but I understand this rule though

[delicate wren]

ugh

RTC broke

RTC unbroke

I've just remembered we were discussing turtles some time ago

and I mentioned that one turtle gif

https://tenor.com/view/alligator-turtle-wild-hungry-gif-12352362

turns out these are predators

they lure fish using a structure inside their mouth that, by its look and movement, resembles a worm

[delicate wren]

and then that happens to the fish

though maybe not exactly these ones but some adjacent species

Its natural diet consists primarily of fish and fish carcasses, mollusks, carrion, and amphibians, but it is also known to eat snakes, snails, worms and other invertebrates, crayfish, insects, water birds, aquatic plants, other turtles and sometimes even small alligators.

In general, it will eat almost anything it can catch

alligator turtle

known for eating turtles and alligators

@stuck bluff I'm not sure if the voice is still functioning

seems to work

yes, works

I'll go see what live coding people are doing

[glad turtle]

rtc clock?

[delicate wren]

ras syndrome

[midnight spindle]

hello everybody

[tropic sorrel]

hey everyone

[sour crystal]

Hello / أهلا

[sour crystal]

أهلا / hello

[fiery vault]

yo

[wanton ore]

Magey are you a admin or mod

[frigid thicket]

he

[coarse hearth]

:x: Your 3.13 eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 |   File "/home/main.py", line 1, in <module>
003 |     print(he)
004 |           ^^
005 | NameError: name 'he' is not defined. Did you mean: 'hex'?

[frigid thicket]

he

[rain mist]

!user

[coarse hearth]

You are not allowed to use that command here. Please use the #bot-commands channel instead.

[buoyant meteor]

why am i playing out sounds from my soundboard while coding

just whyyyyyyy

[shell mural]

@glad turtle You are Alone ? 🙂

[glad turtle]

that's what she said

[shell mural]

what did she say?

[glad turtle]

You are Alone?

[shell mural]

I dont understand

?

[glad turtle]

it's just a way of highlighting the loneliness

[shell mural]

Ah ok I understand