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[stuck bluff]

@random gyro 👋

[random gyro]

sup opalmist

[delicate wren]

@zenith fable container? docker?

I didn't hear it well enough

sandbox?

containers (docker-like) must me in the backend

the frontend must have no access to it directly

you can't realistically run docker in the browser

TDD has no relation to what you've just described actually

no no no no no

noooooooooooooooo

forget TDD, it's unrelated

[delicate wren]

Docker requires namespaces and cgroups

which aren't a thing in the browser context

you still need something to run server-side

[zenith fable]

webcontianers

https://webcontainers.io/

[deep island]

can yall tell me one thingy

how to make my local host ip of my server public ???

[delicate wren]

there are three options of what something, which looks like this, does:

1. run stuff in the backend (presumably not this case)
2. sandboxing
3. WASM

real containers are only implemented in something like illumos

everything else is kind of not really a container

just an imitation thereof

[stuck bluff]

@frail dagger 👋

[delicate wren]

@zenith fable Chris (Mindful) was taking a course where he was making that

[zenith fable]

yes

i remember

[delicate wren]

what docker does is commonly referred to as containers, even though it's not really that

[zenith fable]

what i need a safe enviornment to execute code

[delicate wren]

there is also a tech adjacent to WASM which is WASI

WASM/WASI are somewhat runnable both in the frontend and the backend

it also gives you ability to run languages other than JS

I'm currently working on a project that runs threaded Rust code in the browser

[zenith fable]

js role is just to spin up the container

[delicate wren]

yeah, if you just use JS for orchestration, you can use WASM as the runtime for isolated code

it seems to be the sanest option

[zenith fable]

okay i will look into it

[delicate wren]

had to use threading because of SQLite

which is funny given how SQLite is not threadsafe

threading is involved because the wrapper (sqlx) is asynchronous

so it has to start a thread backing that asynchrony

[zenith fable]

may be a que involved to keep track

[delicate wren]

it only took something like 4~6 hours to setup

but it was not a "following a tutorial" activity

[stuck bluff]

@fierce walrus 👋

[zenith fable]

okay my exposure to threading is quiet limitted .. I have used threadpool exec

[delicate wren]

WASM is single-threaded by default

like JS

[zenith fable]

WASM is new to me

[delicate wren]

if you choose Emscripten, you will end up having to read through a lot of APIs and source code

including generated source code

@umbral rose codecrafters

iirc

or whatever that is called

that was a very long way of saying no

@umbral rose no unshare?

@umbral rose @zenith fable what is this
https://github.com/codetainerapp/codetainer

v8 not v6

[delicate wren]

🚀

[delicate wren]

ah, nvm

it's non-interesting

just runs stuff on the server seems like

@umbral rose contai-nerd

@umbral rose have you heard Rob Pike pronounce gofmt?

[zenith fable]

Thank you guys

[delicate wren]

gofoomt

[zenith fable]

it was v6 when i picked up js

thanks for correcting me

[delicate wren]

... it's always been V8

[zenith fable]

ohh then i am wrong again

my bad

[delicate wren]

(it's not a version, it's a name)

Ryan Dahl

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztspvPYybIY

[zenith fable]

Thanks.. I was always a bad student 🙂

and once again .. tysm for the informations / brainstorming that you guys did to help me

[delicate wren]

absolutely useless achievement: reaching ratio limit

(official ubuntu torrent)

[delicate wren]

things UI authors don't expect

[quasi widget]

https://store.epicgames.com/p/tiny-tinas-wonderlands

[misty sinew]

Hello

I desperately need to share my thing ;(

[coarse hearth]

Click here to see this code in our pastebin.

[fleet garden]

hi 👋

[delicate wren]

physics chaos

[misty sinew]

Inverse kinematics without inverse kinematics

No it does not use neural nets

Forward kinematics and gradient descent

Here is my old version which had oscillations

[onyx ocean]

According to my assessment, the pinacle question in physics is whether to quantize gravity or continuise the standard model.

[misty sinew]

You can look at my script?

I'm not gonna do LaTex in discord

[fleet garden]

what are we doing ?

or discussing?

[misty sinew]

It is solving inverse kinematics problems

[onyx ocean]

@misty sinew are you trying to simulate a robot arm kinematics?

[delicate wren]

.latex

why not

[misty sinew]

The issue with inverse kinematics is it does not usually have support for variable physics constraints

Run the script?

Wtf are you on about? I did just say what it does...

Here's it with end effector weights? Prev version with oscillations.

I think the solution already exists in papers

But I am unsure

My goal was to have inverse kinematic solutions without inverse kinematics or neural nets as common solutions do, I did this via gradient descent. I'm not gonna explain to you the code, it is right there.

I learned what I needed to to implement what I thought of?

That's not what I'm asking

Idgaf if you extend it or not

Not my problem

[fleet garden]

damn

[misty sinew]

I'm literally not asking for anything

[onyx ocean]

@misty sinew 1. Augment your IK solver with dynamics equations
Instead of solving purely geometric IK, incorporate the equations of motion:

def dynamics_aware_ik(target_position, current_state, payload_mass):
    # Traditional IK for initial guess
    joint_angles = geometric_ik(target_position)
    
    # Iterate to refine with dynamics
    for iteration in range(max_iterations):
        # Calculate required torques
        torques = inverse_dynamics(joint_angles, velocities, accelerations, payload_mass)
        
        # Check if torques are within limits
        if not check_torque_limits(torques):
            # Adjust trajectory to reduce torques
            joint_angles = modify_trajectory(joint_angles, torques)
    
    return joint_angles

[misty sinew]

I'm sharing

[delicate wren]

@quasi widget @umbral rose I have no fucking clue why you two are so aggresive, wtf

[misty sinew]

I'm just sharing my solution lmao

I can extend it

I'm not asking any questions

You ask questions

Because you can't understand it?

No

I have code that generates those line :^)

[fleet garden]

i think i am missing the plot

[misty sinew]

I can animate it also

[onyx ocean]

The pseudocode I posted

?

[misty sinew]

Reachability charts with previous solution + end effector weights

Idk how these work out with new solution

The "organisms" now predict the consequences of their actions to stop oscillations

[onyx ocean]

Why is the dark blue arm intersecting the brown arm on that "Animated Arm Paths" plane?

[misty sinew]

Because physics is simple here

[delicate wren]

look like they're just not interacting

[misty sinew]

Zero grav and no constraints, I am taking a break

[delicate wren]

like three separate examples shown overlayed on each other

just to demonstrate with different initial conditions

[onyx ocean]

If you want good results, physics has to be as complicated as reality

[misty sinew]

._.

No?

[onyx ocean]

"no constraints" orly?

[misty sinew]

Tell that to engineers?

[delicate wren]

@onyx ocean now you too?

[onyx ocean]

I am not agressive!

[misty sinew]

That's what neural nets are for anyways.

[delicate wren]

well at least you're not verbal in that sense yet

[onyx ocean]

Do you believe my ideas are agressive? Or something I wrote?

[misty sinew]

This requires we allow the arms to perfectly predict physics

I limited my scope to a minimalist proof of concept, if you wish to extend it you can

[onyx ocean]

Perfection is unatainable. Nobody uses all the digits of pi

[misty sinew]

I provided my code

[onyx ocean]

@misty sinew what is the link to your code?

[misty sinew]

Yeah it isn't

?

Problem?

How so?

[onyx ocean]

I entered the conversation when you were getting interrogated. I looked for your code but didn't see it. Perhaps I failed to scroll up enough?

(I had been on the channel but outside AFK running a 15 minute errand)

[quasi widget]

got you

@onyx ocean there it is

[misty sinew]

You can try a different gradient descent

I did, didn't work

Maybe in python idk

[delicate wren]

no performance claims until measured

[misty sinew]

^

[onyx ocean]

@misty sinew the arm has mass

[delicate wren]

good

[misty sinew]

Profile?

[delicate wren]

correct approach

[misty sinew]

I didn't ask for you to lmao

I just sharing ;)

[onyx ocean]

Have you considered the analytical Jacobian instead of numerical differentiation?

[misty sinew]

That would be inverse kinematics

[onyx ocean]

Yes, have you used sympy?

[delicate wren]

I've successfully escaped the church of "best practices"

[misty sinew]

Please see my previous constraints on myself

The goal of the project

[onyx ocean]

?

[misty sinew]

No inverse kinematics calculations

Only forward kinematic

So we can apply physics in real time accurately

[onyx ocean]

That is like asking a soapbox derby racer to not test their different designs, just build without testing.

[misty sinew]

My brain is fried rn btw I am not talking formally at all

[misty sinew]

Not really

[onyx ocean]

If you want your physics to be accurate, you need forward mass (and inertia and torque), non-intersection, friction, etc.

[misty sinew]

I first need to not be constrained to inverse kinematics...

[onyx ocean]

None of those are going to be inverse unless you compare your predictions to reality and adjust to correct.

(Like back-propegating DNN weights)

[misty sinew]

I want forward shiz

This is more of how an actual organism would do it I presume

[onyx ocean]

You aren't going to get good forward anything with no mass and self-intersection

[misty sinew]

You can add those and test

I did earlier, worked alr

[onyx ocean]

Yes. It's hard to say which are most important. There is no royal road to geometry

[misty sinew]

As for the oscillations I tried noise canceling after the fact

Didn't work lmao

So it seems prediction is needed

[misty sinew]

Here's wind + motor noise with the prev model lol

It is arthritic and being pelted with wind

[onyx ocean]

@misty sinew mass mass mass

[misty sinew]

Yes, you can see this:

[onyx ocean]

@smoky cedar what are you working on?

[misty sinew]

With old model

[smoky cedar]

finaly

[smoky cedar]

so i just downloaded python

[misty sinew]

And you can add them if you'd like...

[onyx ocean]

@bob now you have two problems!

[smoky cedar]

from chat gpt i need a bot for appoinment slots

availability

[misty sinew]

I'd love to see it extended to have mass / collision constraints if you'd like, but unfortunately I cannot predict my future self's solutions to those problems

[delicate wren]

"ChatGPT, generate problems"

[misty sinew]

I really don't understand you people lmao

[onyx ocean]

@bob what calendar do you use?

[smoky cedar]

what\

[misty sinew]

You act like I show up here with perfected crap when I just want to share

[smoky cedar]

man how i can speak here

[misty sinew]

Screw off, legitimately

[onyx ocean]

Do you want a new calendar system or to use an existing one, @bob?

@misty sinew I thought you were asking for help; my apologies

[smoky cedar]

i can explain like

[misty sinew]

My feelings are not hurt, your brain is severely damaged

[smoky cedar]

if i can speak my english is not good

ok

[misty sinew]

@quasi widget that you talking

[onyx ocean]

@misty sinew I'm sorry. Again, I left before you were speaking and got back after you had been for some time.

[smoky cedar]

ok so i need bot for appoinment slots like i need a notification when they are avaible

[onyx ocean]

@smoky cedar yes so on top of an existing system like Outlook or Google Calendar, or self-contained?

[misty sinew]

Cause I'm blocking individuals unable to just look at 150 lines of code to save me trouble explaining complicated things

Alr he's blocked lol, cause of clear gaslighting now

[delicate wren]

@quasi widget you're acting like Maroloccio

[misty sinew]

You can easily look back at messages to see what happened

[delicate wren]

(not as a judgement statement, just observation)

[misty sinew]

I shared something, you wanted me to explain it to you

I said no

[smoky cedar]

@onyx ocean I want a Python script using Selenium that helps me check for Italy student visa appointment slots on the BLS Pakistan website. The script should open the website, let me manually log in and solve the captcha, and then keep refreshing the appointment page every minute. If any slots become available, it should immediately send me an email notification. This way, I won’t miss the appointment openings because they get filled very fast. I already have Python installed — I just need help with creating and running this script.

[misty sinew]

You went on to "criticize" code you don't understand

[onyx ocean]

@misty sinew I have to run another 10-15 minute errand. Please DM me or message me here to let me know what you think I should have done instead.

[onyx ocean]

That's a pretty cool application!

[misty sinew]

I already said it uses forward kinematics + gradient descent

Is that not accurate?

[smoky cedar]

do you know how to do it

[misty sinew]

Ok so screw off, you didn't try to improve it, and didn't see results of implementing what you suggest

[onyx ocean]

@smoky cedar do you have Selenium running? If so can you get it through stuff (including captchas if any) to the data you want?

[misty sinew]

Because half of it breaks things

[smoky cedar]

no idk how to like if i can share my screen

[misty sinew]

Or really doesn't matter unless you wanna optimzie a proof of concept like an imbecil

Pre-mature optimization to the max

[onyx ocean]

@misty sinew please forgive me for assuming you were already doing IK.

[misty sinew]

If I want it to be fast I reimplement it in rust

[misty sinew]

It does what I said

[onyx ocean]

omg I just doxxed my timezone

[misty sinew]

It approaches solutions to ik problems

It doesn't do ik calculations

[onyx ocean]

You need to start small with Selenium running a Google Search or something, and then move on from there

[misty sinew]

Which you suggested I did

Which is aside from the point

[onyx ocean]

Can't we all just get along?

[misty sinew]

I could? And tried to?

[smoky cedar]

can i call you

[onyx ocean]

Water under bridge

[misty sinew]

But yet you targeted my intelligence so you could be condescending?

[onyx ocean]

Actually I have to run a 10-15 minute errand. Stick around?

[misty sinew]

For zero reason? And do it incorrectly?

[smoky cedar]

well you you are freee plz let me know i will be here waiting for you

[misty sinew]

I did? I said exactly what it does.

I'm not gonna explain what gradient descent and forward kinematics are.

I'm not your maths tutor

Lmao

Then why do I need to explain?

No, so I can get people to use it?

[wooden dome]

10 minute mute would be good for kastien

[onyx ocean]

validating forward kinematics is full-on IK. ... BRB 10-15

[misty sinew]

These things are difficult to do, I hope to help people. I'm not sure what other grounding you need?

Wtf?

Arm 4 is impossible, that's the point

[wooden dome]

No need to seek validation

[misty sinew]

You couldn't have arm 4 reach with any configuration

Because it isn't long enough

[glad turtle]

@misty sinew
The only thing I will recommend(didn’t follow the entire debate).
When you want to show something complicated, make sure the audience has done similar things or is engaged with the topic before presenting it.

Smaller focused audiences work better for complex topics.

[misty sinew]

I want to make a 1-D "universe"

My idea is a 64 / 32 bit string "reality"

And a "God function"

(Automata)

[wooden dome]

Simulation?

[misty sinew]

I am trying to fit as many observations we see in reality in it.

[wooden dome]

Not possible, you can't do alone.

[misty sinew]

My basic assumption is that there is no infinitely small difference between two things

[delicate wren]

-- Java Enterprise Manager

[misty sinew]

Two positions in space

That you can at most move, per frame, one space over ( one bit )

[delicate wren]

@umbral rose proof of (not by) induction is a funny part of set theory

(the proof of why induction works)

[misty sinew]

I'm much more philosophical and visual than pure maths. I love maths but I'm far more interested in the thinking behind it

Then I usually go to maths

[wooden dome]

BTW what do you mean by 1-D?

[misty sinew]

One dimensional

[wooden dome]

How?

1-D is line

[glad turtle]

The real line

[delicate wren]

Lineland

[misty sinew]

So, basically we have 64 bits in a line, and it is cyclical as well (moving from 63 - 0 is the loop) and matter is 1, void is 0

[wooden dome]

Hmm

[misty sinew]

A "God function" can iterate on the "reality" both forward and backward

[delicate wren]

deterministic world?

[misty sinew]

So the reality must store enough info to be reversible

[delicate wren]

you can cheat and just store the history

Photoshop universe

persistent data structures are fun

[misty sinew]

Well yeah but that's not the idea...

The reality is entirely on the bit string

[delicate wren]

(actually, not that's unrelated; it's reverse of deterministic in this case)

[delicate wren]

that function would a bijection, presumably?

at least within the set of reachable states

[misty sinew]

Not exactly yet...

[vale knoll]

hi everyone how can i use python to auto detected this error?

on the screen

[delicate wren]

what is that a screenshot of?

the larger context

[vale knoll]

what you mean?

[delicate wren]

what do you need that detection for?

[misty sinew]

I have many ideas for how it could work, but a bit is a "God particle"

[delicate wren]

and how are you going to act on it?

[vale knoll]

either you help or you dont

[misty sinew]

So the smallest form of matter

[vale knoll]

i will not explain myself to you

what i use it for is my problem not yours and no i am not gonna use it for something bad

[delicate wren]

"not gonna use it for something bad, trust me bro"

[onyx ocean]

@smoky cedar back; what platform have you been trying to run Selenium on?

[misty sinew]

Yes

No state can be lost

So essentially we cannot have a one move to another neighboring one

[vale knoll]

cry lil bro i just want something to detect a image on my screen fkign restarted

[misty sinew]

And hence lose matter or energy

[glad turtle]

clip the region of interest and ocr it. boom, problem solved.

[wooden dome]

Get out!

[umbral rose]

please be respectful of other users

[delicate wren]

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx5H7SghvrD5Rxzw06Z6lOEfySl4nA6o6X

[vale knoll]

ocr it?

[delicate wren]

another opportunity to share this clip

[glad turtle]

google ocr for more information

[vale knoll]

how old are you?

[vale knoll]

the image will be on my windows not in the web or so

[glad turtle]

that’s besides the point

[delicate wren]

first, I'm not a bro lmao

[misty sinew]

We should be able to get a set of reachable states by running the god function forward / back until it repeats yes

Which, if the previous assumptions were true in reality it would imply a cyclical time

[wooden dome]

Could you stop your troll?

Get some help!

[umbral rose]

@wooden dome please don't add fuel to the fire

[misty sinew]

Which is honestly what I believe personally

[glad turtle]

i’m hopeful he’ll come to his senses

[wooden dome]

Hmm but he is being rude in chat without any reason

[umbral rose]

Ok, and I'll deal with that.

[vale knoll]

deal with what? i literaly just asked for help

[misty sinew]

The thing is, at a small enough scope, all phenomena in reality can be seen as cycles interrupting other cycles

[vale knoll]

and this ..... started playing smart

on a guy who need help

[misty sinew]

Like orbits of planets

[glad turtle]

you received very relevant help. see above

[umbral rose]

You were being quite rude to other users who were asking pretty simple questions

[vale knoll]

yes thank you for being a normal human being

[misty sinew]

So I suppose the question is: what is the largest cycle?

[vale knoll]

me? where

[glad turtle]

let it go..

[umbral rose]

here

[umbral rose]

here

[umbral rose]

here

[vale knoll]

who started first?

[umbral rose]

You

[vale knoll]

ye i am telling him to not waste my time with these stupid question

he is not the fib

but fine

[delicate wren]

who?

[umbral rose]

I don't think trying to get context is stupid

!rule 5

[coarse hearth]

Rules

5. Do not provide or request help on projects that may violate terms of service, or that may be deemed inappropriate, malicious, or illegal.

[umbral rose]

We ask because we don't help with things that break TOS

@vale knoll

[vale knoll]

hmmm i broke your tos? i just asked how i can regonize images on my screen didnt i?

[misty sinew]

... ig I will leave with my ideas, anyways not too great of an experience here.

[wooden dome]

Okay could you please stop?

[umbral rose]

Anyone's TOS. Not ours

[delicate wren]

that error message is almost certainly a 429

HTTP 429 literally gives you the time until when you need to wait

and the solution is waiting until that time

[wooden dome]

No one is forcing you to answer any question, learn to ignore.

[delicate wren]

as for how you get that header, yeah, that we can't help with

[wooden dome]

I'm sorry to hear that but you got a good concept

[misty sinew]

Anyways @quasi widget ik this is passed now, but please refrain from assuming other people know less just because they don't want to explain what should be obvious to people whom they'd want to interact with. I didn't answer many questions because I was tired of explaining to people who didn't know. Either way the interaction was immediately hostile and condescending by saying "all you show us is graphs"

[delicate wren]

which is a convenient leadup to me mentioning that I'm currently working on something that has to calculate that time (server-side) and I have no idea how

[misty sinew]

That is just not true, but I will leave it since you obviously have emotional regulation issues

I am not pressed

"Keep my name out your mouth"

Sure bud

[glad turtle]

@misty sinew let it go

[wooden dome]

I'm sorry to hear that. Please try to take things whether a word or a person with a pinch of salt and kindness.

[misty sinew]

I'm just giving advice if you wish to have more success in the future

As it seems this happens often with you

And I did not ask for help

You have a track record of this happening

[glad turtle]

your account was made today. how long of a track record could you be aware of?

[misty sinew]

Right before coming here lol

[wooden dome]

Damn

[misty sinew]

He seems to have issues when people don't agree with his advice

Because he is obviously infallible :^)

[glad turtle]

you need to drop it

[misty sinew]

Anyways here's my art

[delicate wren]

like I need to somehow estimate the current load I guess?

or just leave out the header and assume the error bubbles up to where the user sees it

[misty sinew]

Yes

Toribash

A game which is inspiring me to create my own "inverse kinematics" version

Where you specify a pose and the player moves to that position

Instead of specifying the motor inputs

Yeah

But I need "real time" physics constraints

Well yeah I'm not there yet lol

But this is a big step forward

Cause I previously tried physics + inverse kinematics

And it didn't work out well

This model I presented easily integrates into a physics engine of any kind

You basically pose it about a manifold

Yeah but these manifolds matter

So we can restrict possible movement

( this may be inaccurate, earlier model )

Basically we won't let a player do what isn't physically possible

Yeah that's where the player comes in

They are our "AI model"

Just like in regular toribash

We could possibly enforce energy constraints too per turn

But idk if that'd be fun

We know how much energy is in the system because we are minimizing it via gradient descent with the automatic part

You can see the energy read out there per arm

Here is torque per joint per arm in that same simulation

I don't think we limit torque there except for limiting it by what doesn't cause oscillations basically

I adjusted it a little bit to have it do 100 steps instead of how ever much from before... basically just heightening the lower limit on torque before it gave up

We could automate that as well I presume

For more performance

[umbral rose]

Nice

[misty sinew]

Here is an old graph

We can see, as the end effector mass exceeds an amount we have a point where physics breaks down

And we can anomalously reach the end effector target again lol

So, it is best to limit the weight within that working range and re-map it to an irl weight scale

Based on how much we want our arms to be able to lift

Here is something a bit more complicated

Idk if I will try to explain that

[umbral rose]

It's all over my head. I'm not really into physics simulation.

lol

[misty sinew]

It's ok, it requires much reading for me to build a working memory myself lol

My long term memory is not so good, neither is my explicit memory

[umbral rose]

Yeah. It's fun to become a pseudo-expert when jumping full into a project

[misty sinew]

Oh no I just am literally limited mainly by my neurodivergence, or helped by it depending on context

Adhd + Autism

Higher implicit memory

[umbral rose]

Fair enough

[misty sinew]

So... I can work at the boundary of the specifics very well, and usually do

Hence why I like philosophizing more than rigorous maths

The philosophy usually leads me to the rigorous maths

I am also good at learning things through repetition

Like guitar

Oh, and idk if anyone cares here but here is drawings

[umbral rose]

That's a cool werewolf

[misty sinew]

Another problem I solved

Or... came up with an alternative solution to

[umbral rose]

What was the problem?

[misty sinew]

( not rigorous yet )

[misty sinew]

https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/BF02189307.pdf

Here is a paper of an existing solution

I believe my solution is faster, but not proven yet

Best I can tell you is that I have not encountered a test case where it failed

I can try explaining my solution if you'd like

Well idk if I can now... I could provide my very badly made code

[umbral rose]

pass/fail is a very different metric than time complexity. What time complexity is your algorithm?

[misty sinew]

Ahh lemme try to remember

I need to look back at logs

[glad turtle]

alphazero is great for board games. idk that it’s able to do anything else

[coarse hearth]

Click here to see this code in our pastebin.

[misty sinew]

Here is the script I believe

I don't have time to do things on mobile lol

Here is big solutions

So...

Smaller solutions

I obviously use python as a sketching language

Fast iterative dev

Yeah ik

( I mean't to excuse my bad code lmao )

:D

[delicate wren]

me when O(N**3) in prod

[misty sinew]

O(2^n)

The forsaken

[misty sinew]

Basic assumption is that there are like 3 most basic solutions between vertical and horizontal strips

[delicate wren]

no way there's already that many videos in that arch linux series

[misty sinew]

One of those is unsolved

[onyx ocean]

@smoky cedar https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vLVS_v5y_w

[misty sinew]

First one

[smoky cedar]

thank you i will watch it

[misty sinew]

First I call an inverse funnel, second is funnel

These are pretty simplified cases

For an inverse funnel or funnel scenario

If we can detect and correct those we can presumably solve the problem ;)

Given horizontal strips over our problem binary matrix

[onyx ocean]

"I just want to grill"

[umbral rose]

I need propane!!

[misty sinew]

Basic usage of this would be in a voxel engine to losslessly optimize polygons :D

[quasi widget]

peach and apple wood all the way

[umbral rose]

Nice. Seems useful! When is the voxel engine coming?

[misty sinew]

I can, given near worst case, cut your polygon usage in half :D

[misty sinew]

When I understand how to use this with an oct tree ;(

Or I can just say screw it

And use a 3d binary matrix

That is easy

[misty sinew]

Also, it would be most useful on static regions of voxels

So, given we have a minecraft clone, I'd use this on unreachable regions

Lazily

Alongside culling...

[onyx ocean]

Do sausage patties have casing? (Or just too much salt to make up for the lack of barrier?)

[misty sinew]

But on average it cuts away like 70 to 80% of polygons

Not as much as triangle partition

But better than triangle dissection

( minimal )

[hearty heath]

https://tenor.com/view/pet-cow-hug-cuddle-gif-11964259

[onyx ocean]

Chickens have an insane evolutionary path. The males wake up at 4am to announce their position in a half mile radius

[misty sinew]

Anyone here use python like I do? As a sketching thing?

[hearty heath]

https://tenor.com/view/polish-cow-cow-dancing-dance-dancing-cow-gif-17755923561418927898

[onyx ocean]

"Red Junglefowl"

[misty sinew]

I go python > typescript > rust

When solving something

[delicate wren]

me when I prototype with Rust

[misty sinew]

Not efficient...

Like sketching in marble

[onyx ocean]

Cows are far more high maintenance than chickens

[delicate wren]

only compile times are the issue

Rust is so much more productive for me

especially for rearranging data stuff

serde is way too good

[misty sinew]

Idk, I'd still try using python for prototyping just due to shear time reduction

[delicate wren]

axum too, for web

[misty sinew]

For iterative dev

[onyx ocean]

If you can't do husbandry, killing rabbits' predators is a good strategy, and why wolves are so hated in folk tales

[misty sinew]

If you're doing BIUF it works ig

[delicate wren]

I write Rust faster than Python

[misty sinew]

( big ideas up front )

Idk python just has more utility

[delicate wren]

less code needed

the language facilities in Rust outweigh the compile time issues

extension methods are an extremely valuable productivity tool

[misty sinew]

Rust is still pretty premature with utilities but it's better than it was

I need to visualize stuff to see patterns

[delicate wren]

for data science/plotting stuff, sure, Python will be quicker to write

I just don't do that stuff

[misty sinew]

Idk I approach most problems like a collection of data science problems

[onyx ocean]

Using rust for anything other than system tools seems like using kubernetes when you have less than 100 users

[misty sinew]

Yeah naw web dev is different

[delicate wren]

eh, not at all

[misty sinew]

Why write html?

Just use a framework :^)

Or chatgpt at this point lmao

Web dev is more design imo

[delicate wren]

I need to check how big the current biggest HTML file I maintain is

[misty sinew]

Just go to a illustration software to prototype

[delicate wren]

... did I really not put <html></html> in there

[misty sinew]

Do flow charts

[delicate wren]

seems like yes

[misty sinew]

I fundamentally dislike electron's entire existence

[umbral rose]

https://v2.tauri.app/start/

[misty sinew]

Electron is for CEOs

[misty sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/vince-mc-mahon-looking-around-wwe-raw-wrestling-gif-12700736

[delicate wren]

compiling SQLite for WASM has definitely taken a few weeks off my life (even if it took 4 hours)

(in the context of sqlx)

[misty sinew]

I tried doing things from scratch one time with desktop apps

Idk rust has some ok frameworks

[misty sinew]

Java is the old stuff

[onyx ocean]

"A minimal Kivy app's APK file size is typically around 7MB, with the Kivy library and dependencies adding around 20MB. Kivy apps can be larger, with some reaching 35MB."

[misty sinew]

God save you if you want to make a desktop app in windows with C

[delicate wren]

sure, this is okay to deliver over the network

[misty sinew]

Idk I want to make standalone apps sometime

The TOR network exists

[delicate wren]

the 🧅

[misty sinew]

Ah yes let's build an internet

[umbral rose]

https://tenor.com/view/it-crowd-this-jen-is-the-internet-internet-the-internet-jen-gif-20291163

[onyx ocean]

That's an excellent idea! Replacing the Internet will solve several problems. You are a genius!

[misty sinew]

The blockchain or something idfk

[delicate wren]

@quasi widget funny times

when it was praising users way too much

way way way too much

the letter O

[misty sinew]

EleutherAI

Ftw

[onyx ocean]

Claude 4 Opus stopped looking for evidence of my mistress in my github repos, but the joke's on it because I'm not married

[misty sinew]

No

OpenAI is not the first mover

Or the first to move

The first mover was the dude who made the perceptron in the 70s or smth

There are two kinds of people who exist

Survivors and thrivers

Stand with survivors

[umbral rose]

It's considered a first mover for ai chatbots

[frosty plaza]

ss didnt work i didnt get a permission key

[onyx ocean]

Yeah, but OpenAI when they launched ChatGPT-3.0 was hilarious. They had whitepapers saying we should never allow models to have access to the internet published the same day they had press releases saying their tool use with Zapier integrations can be used for any network I/O

[misty sinew]

"Thrivers" are an illusion, they feed off others usually

[umbral rose]

!stream 745015733238497330

[coarse hearth]

✅ @frosty plaza can now stream until <t:1748628477:f>.

[onyx ocean]

Google and Microsoft are firmly in the black overall; not sure about Anthropic, Perplexity, etc.

[misty sinew]

The numbers don't matter if the economy collapses

[onyx ocean]

Amazon is due to come out with a big announcement sometime soon

[misty sinew]

Liquid capital is less valuable than power

[onyx ocean]

I bet Amazon eschews Meta for DeepSeek

[misty sinew]

Personally I use chatgpt as a work horse, it asks me more questions than I do it, without me disclosing personal info

And if my ideas are in any way stolen it is not a loss

I want them to be stolen

[delicate wren]

ugh such a giant thing by now

[onyx ocean]

LeCunn pushed Meta away from the improvements everyone else is realizing, but that doesn't mean they can't leapfrog the pack three or six months down the road

[misty sinew]

( which is ofc impossible )

It provides me leads to human created resources to read

Ideally I do not inform my decisions on anything I do not read which has been created by my fellow man

[quasi widget]

https://tiktokenizer.vercel.app/

[misty sinew]

And I do aimless research to make the difference

In local library, surface web, onion network

I think building ideas on principals is a good idea

Ideally the principals of those who were successful in what you want to be successful in

[quasi widget]

https://platform.openai.com/tokenizer

[delicate wren]

aliasing
you shouldn't say such scary words when there are multiple Rust devs in the VC

[hearty heath]

Hello 👀

Did someone say my name?

Hey 👋

Cya Chris

Scruffies and neats!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neats_and_scruffies

[spare trellis]

Write an RL lib and call it "Aurel"

[hearty heath]

👀

I remember

[spare trellis]

When you get lots of technical debt you'll be resting on your aurels

[hearty heath]

Back in a bit 👋

[hearty heath]

Are PhDs like building boats? Always 2 years from completion

Or is there a set timetable

Ah ok

Oh so smooth sailing from here on out

[spare trellis]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissus_(mythology)

[delicate wren]

@tulip grail Pull Request

[delicate wren]

@true valley

in case of GitLab, PR stands for Merge Request

lmao

@proper ridge solution: delete repository

[delicate wren]

@runic plinth @spare trellis or, better, illumos Zones

[pearl epoch]

Looking for a guy who knows programming, more specifically Python, in DM please, urgently

[pearl epoch]

It's just that I need an expert to help me program my script that works with YOLO

[delicate wren]

@dense stag for SaaS, yes, it won't be static

there are these options

• running a server
  • containerised
  • in a VM
• running server functions (Lambda, etc.)

server functions are somewhat weird

and they lock you in with a specific cloud provider

@blazing prawn I've dealt with both

ASP.NET is such a backwards way to do anything

[delicate wren]

assuming arbitrary-ish code

I suggest you first just get any server running correctly locally

https://github.com/nextauthjs/next-auth-example

this has a Dockerfile

so you can deploy it as a container

never put AI near security

Next.js is "fullstack" (in web sense)

backend+frontend

[delicate wren]

I'm trying to deploy that on Vercel currently

@ashen willow "VB.NET so that they learn early that programming is suffering"

Python is a good first choice imo

learn Python and C in parallel if you can

if you want to learn based on how influential the language is, then ALGOL68

no one else here probably even knows what ALGOL68 is

there is a funny part of the talk by Venkat Subramaniam about teaching Java to beginners

"you don't have to know that yet" being the most common phrase there

[coarse hearth]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied timeout to @deep island until <t:1748796880:f> (10 minutes) (reason: duplicates spam - sent 4 duplicate messages).

The <@&831776746206265384> have been alerted for review.

[tender sand]

https://campus.nottingham.ac.uk/psc/csprd_pub/EMPLOYEE/HRMS/c/UN_PROG_AND_MOD_EXTRACT.UN_PLN_EXTRT_FL_CP.GBL?PAGE=UN_CRS_EXT4_FPG&CAMPUS=U&TYPE=Module&YEAR=2024&TITLE=Compilers&MODULE=COMP3012&CRSEID=014447&LINKA=&LINKB=&LINKC=USC-CS

https://people.cs.nott.ac.uk/pszgmh/

https://www.youtube.com/@haskellhutt

https://github.com/bashforgo/G52AFP

[sinful panther]

hiya

[delicate wren]

@random minnow legendary IDE

and legends is where it should say and never get out

@autumn raft imagine being taught anything other than Pascal

[autumn raft]

I didnt learn anyting in college anyway

[delicate wren]

enterprust

truly "the way of the future"

tbf it would've been, like, 5x more lines in Python

[spare trellis]

If monads are so great then why does nobody use them in Python?

[delicate wren]

!d typing.Awaitable

[coarse hearth]

typing.Awaitable

class typing.Awaitable(Generic[T_co])```
Deprecated alias to [`collections.abc.Awaitable`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/collections.abc.html#collections.abc.Awaitable).

Added in version 3.5.2.

Deprecated since version 3.9: [`collections.abc.Awaitable`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/collections.abc.html#collections.abc.Awaitable) now supports subscripting (`[]`). See [**PEP 585**](https://peps.python.org/pep-0585/) and [Generic Alias Type](https://docs.python.org/3/library/stdtypes.html#types-genericalias).

[delicate wren]

monadic enough

colourful monad

[spare trellis]

maybe...

https://tenor.com/view/glootie-app-software-do-you-want-to-develop-an-app-gif-17182284

[delicate wren]

I'm rearranging another giant file

(line count)

moving methods from one trait to another

only 204 methods total

[spare trellis]

omg that's a lot

I wonder what Mr. Clean Code would say

[delicate wren]

judging by the examples from the Clean Code book, this is too few methods

time to add another trait

[spare trellis]

According to AI, Clean Code philosophy indicates there should be fewer methods: https://chatgpt.com/share/683cc33c-83c4-800e-8964-c6360d738566

[delicate wren]

The Book vs the AI

no, Clean Code, as stated by the book, is absolutely not about fewer methods

[spare trellis]

I know, but its reasoning is pretty convincing from my recollections on the book.

[delicate wren]

the book is quite bad

and the examples are even worse

[spare trellis]

that's also true

and yet here we discuss it like a canon gospel

[delicate wren]

I wonder what is the largest method/function I currently have

iirc it was just over 1000 lines

but they're all quite flat

and traits too

[delicate wren]

just a giant match statement

1.5K

(not including the argument list)

I could codegen it instead

but that's a task for later

because it's not immediately worth the time

and long term benefits aren't clear either

[delicate wren]

I still believe it should've just been solved with AWK

split

awk or split

ed I mentioned for another reason

it was in response to "vim takes X minutes to load" comment

if you want full parallel SIMD, go Fortran

re-implement split with SIMD

like simdjson

if it compiles in Rust and works correctly, you can then translate it to Python or whatever else

reference implementation, in a way, rather than prototyping

brb, focusing on code

[tight hedge]

my voice is supressed give me sec

[versed trail]

oki

[stuck bluff]

@cunning wraith 👋

[cunning wraith]

Hello!

[stuck bluff]

!voice 🙂

[coarse hearth]

Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

[cunning wraith]

I got a question, is 4.3GB/s (cached read) good on a SATA HDD?

[cunning wraith]

I verified, I just don't wanna unmute rn

[delicate wren]

cached means you're not actually reading anything

SATA cannot go above 6gbit/s, and, assuming it's 4.3gbyte/s in your case, that's probably an OS cache not disk cache

[delicate wren]

actively escaping from C++

I'm going to attempt eating 100% chocolate

I think I have one project in PyCharm with custom background configured

idk why

PyCharm allows both global and per-project

VSCode probably allows per-workspace if at all

[delicate wren]

(not the first time)

as you've probably guessed, it's not sweet at all

I'll try buying 90% next time

[delicate wren]

this is just one very small piece not the whole bar

I don't really like sweet things that much

80% was quite good

the bitter things I eat/drink are normally way too sweet

what if spectators whistle

during the race

also my VPN died I think

idk what is happening

I think the internet is getting blocked

hmmm

no, something off with the PC specifically

[delicate wren]

last time similar things happened it was that

okay I'm back

[thin lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/screaming-help-why-alone-send-help-gif-9252778

[misty sinew]

hi

wassup

[sonic minnow]

hello

[fleet garden]

hi millien

oh

hi @lethal nacelle

[lethal nacelle]

Hello

[fleet garden]

hi @ivory rampart

hi

[ivory rampart]

hey how are you

[fleet garden]

hi @copper void

[fleet garden]

i am fine thank u wbu

[copper void]

Ji

Hi*

[fleet garden]

what are u working on?

[ivory rampart]

currently on vue

[fleet garden]

nice

could u repeat sry?

yeh i can hear u

yes i am not speaking 😆

ru indian?

han bhai

https://discord.gg/k26ArWTn

[ivory rampart]

1 minute

[primal salmon]

hey

[stuck bluff]

@old anchor 👋

[old anchor]

Sup

One day I’ll be able to voice 😮‍💨

Is there a way to know how many msg I have sent ?

Anyone have experience with smart contract

On polygon or eth ?

@stuck bluff any experience with telegram bot building ?

What do you think I’m gonna use it for 😄

[pulsar anchor]

given its telegram, either selling drugs or worse

[stuck bluff]

I would take care to not confuse plausibility with certainty.

#media-processing message

[pulsar anchor]

maybe uiua can be good for something similar

it does support animations

code

output

this is weird

how does it parse that

more animated uiua

three lines of code

⍥◡+9 .1

fibonacci numbers

[1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34]

this is what it outputs

[proper ridge]

I painstakingly filtered out the non-changed ones.

It needs a fork though.

[pulsar anchor]

not as terse as apl seems like

colourful code

[stuck bluff]

@gray fern 👋

[gray fern]

Hello

[umbral rose]

!stream 1319370380078743584

[coarse hearth]

✅ @sinful panther can now stream until <t:1749138630:f>.

[sinful panther]

ty

[umbral rose]

https://doc.qt.io/qt-6/stylesheet-reference.html

!stream 410222142202839044

[coarse hearth]

✅ @winged gale can now stream until <t:1749139723:f>.

[shy tendon]

why is steam popping up?

[severe tree]

@umbral rose do you wanna se my language ? named sushi ??

[sly pond]

Vista was crap

that's why people hated it

[umbral rose]

brb

[sly pond]

Media Center was first introduced to Windows in 2002 on Windows XP Media Center Edition (MCE). It was included in Home Premium and Ultimate editions of Windows Vista, as well as all editions of Windows 7 except Starter and Home Basic. It was also available on Windows 8 Pro and Windows 8.1 Pro as a paid add-on. It was discontinued as of Windows 10 and the operating system also removes all of Windows Media Center during an upgrade from previous versions of Windows, although it can reportedly be unofficially reinstalled using a series of Command Prompt commands.[1][2][better source needed]

not sure I believe all of that

it came standard on 7

vista needed a hgiher version

[elder wraith]

Vista was not too bad if you actually used decent enough hardware, problem was underpowered hardware OEM shipped with Vista

[sly pond]

and it died with 10

Becuase

it's a basic OS for the home...

not a media center...

How is that dumb?

[pulsar anchor]

wasnt vista larger than 7 when installed

[sly pond]

It was included in Home Premium and Ultimate editions of Windows Vista

this is what I wanted to show you

Windows Media Center (WMC) is a discontinued digital video recorder and media player created by Microsoft.

Ooh, the other channel is free

do we go back

Microsoft does a great job of not telling users about features

so features go unused

Why not just netflix.com?

I've never bought individual stocks

I've got kids over 8

most Americans don't have the luxury of just buying random stocks they think will do good

You know, food on the table

mortgage, etc

lol

Sure, before 2008 Americans were all doing great

bahahahaha

https://tenor.com/bPCzj.gif

The 08 crisis might be the first time you noticed how shit things can be

My ass grew up poor before the 08 crisis

poors have been around for longer than 2008

[pulsar anchor]

@winged gale you can just directly depend on git repo

instead of pypi package

thats what i do usually for python

its even slightly compatible with -e flag iirc

it needs some specific format

i dont remember how it looks

uv add git+https://...

if you use uv

ah

@winged gale then just pip install -e path/to/dep

its "editable"

(you might have to run that again if transitive dependencies change)

[pulsar anchor]

from an activated venv

if you only update python code, then changing python code in the dependency will change it in the dependent code

because its kind of just a symlink

it should, yes, thats what -e does

i also like to use multi-project workspaces

with a single venv and lockfile

so that everythings synced

uv is quite easy to work with

it uses pip inside

moreso alternative to poetry

poetry is another project management thing

https://python-poetry.org/

uv also updates pyproject.toml

so that all dependencies and python version requirements are there

ive given up on conda forever

im not coming back to that

miniconda

@winged gale what are you building it with? something like make?

seems to be cython

which allegedly used to support -j

[versed finch]

I am struggling with python

[winged gale]

well you could ask in VC?

[pulsar anchor]

i used to have ci run for >30 minutes

on

each

commit

[versed finch]

I don't have permission

I'm new

[winged gale]

darn

[sinful panther]

pluh

[versed finch]

darn is right

[sinful panther]

https://tenor.com/view/pluh-seal-pluh-gif-4135069786139446405

[winged gale]

you could do ask in the help channel

[sinful panther]

whats the problem?

[sinful panther]

you can join vc just you wont be able to talk

[versed finch]

I tried typing on the vc text and still nothing

eish....I'll see

Thanks for replying

[pulsar anchor]

@winged gale tbf, in that particular situation we all know that you or rabbit wouldnt be the ones to get moderated

[hearty heath]

Hey 👋

What was that sorry?

Oh, yeah one second

!stream 1319370380078743584

[coarse hearth]

✅ @sinful panther can now stream until <t:1749143692:f>.

[hearty heath]

Are you Scottish? 😄

[pulsar anchor]

product

[hearty heath]

Yeah, product

[pulsar anchor]

!np.product

oi

[hearty heath]

Hmm, thought we had Numpy docs

!d numpy.prod

[coarse hearth]

numpy.prod

numpy.prod(a, axis=None, dtype=None, out=None, keepdims=<no value>, initial=<no value>, where=<no value>)```
Return the product of array elements over a given axis.

[pulsar anchor]

!e

print("\N{greek capital letter pi}")

[coarse hearth]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.13 eval job has completed with return code 0.

Π

[pulsar anchor]

that symbol

[hearty heath]

Whatchu working on? 👀

[pulsar anchor]

!e

print("\N{greek capital letter sigma}")

[coarse hearth]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.13 eval job has completed with return code 0.

Σ

[pulsar anchor]

sum

[pulsar anchor]

prod

[hearty heath]

Wha- I didn't know this was a thing

[pulsar anchor]

.wa short 33 in to cm

[ocean orbit]

Wolfram Alpha

83.82 cm (centimeters)

[pulsar anchor]

!e

import numpy as np
print(np.prod((1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10)))

[coarse hearth]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.13 eval job has completed with return code 0.

3628800

[pulsar anchor]

6 weeks in seconds

cython

pyxthon

[hearty heath]

.pyx is the file extension for Cython

[pulsar anchor]

!d extending

[coarse hearth]

extending

Similar names: numpy.extending, attr.extending, pandas.extending

[pulsar anchor]

!extending

wherrrrr

https://docs.python.org/3/extending/index.html

!extensions

idk if we have command

[hearty heath]

It's a variant of Python that gets compiled to C, although I've yet to really explore it

[sinful panther]

ty

[pulsar anchor]

most of python is c not c++

#define is very c

[hearty heath]

@winged gale Is there a like "optimise for text" option in the Discord streaming settings?

[pulsar anchor]

in c++ youd be using templates instead

[hearty heath]

It's more the compression

[pulsar anchor]

💥

[hearty heath]

Oh, do you have video perms?

!stream 410222142202839044

[coarse hearth]

✅ @winged gale can now stream until <t:1749144490:f>.

[hearty heath]

No border is more the fashion at the moment. Like, flat design.

[pulsar anchor]

too tired to work

gaming time

[hearty heath]

Ah, I was once really good at CSS

I did web design long before I got into programming

[pulsar anchor]

im as good at css as i need to be

[pulsar anchor]

nvm, not really wanting to play right now

[hearty heath]

Things to check:

• Are you saving the file?
• Is it the right file?
• Is the relevant line of code being run? (try adding a print statement)
• Is the change you made actually visible? (try changing something obvious like setting the background to #ff0000)

[pulsar anchor]

the only game im going to play requires attention, and its not the time for that right now

(even though its just reading)

[hearty heath]

@sinful panther

Oh

[pulsar anchor]

can you show the code again?

@sinful panther have you tried using a different colour

[hearty heath]

Try setting the border-color property (to red or something).

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Were the values in border: in the wrong order or something?

Idk if that makes a difference 😄

But I guess so

What's an advanced array?

Oh, sorry 😄

What're you trying to do currently @winged gale ?

@winged gale Oh this should be simple, but I need to think about it for a second haha

So essentially you're trying to shuffle each row of a 2d array? @winged gale

@winged gale Right, gimme a sec to think, and try it out in python.

[sinful panther]

why is the other widgets i set the background color for not getting that new background color?

[hearty heath]

Ok, one option is to use np.take_along_axis(arr, indices, axis=1) @winged gale

Alright

@severe tree you've got background noise coming through

I'm not sure exactly how efficient this method is @winged gale