voice-chat-text-1

[delicate wren]

thanks to Microsoft's involvement

[lime flicker]

@proper ridge do you know you can close tabs 😂😂😂

[delicate wren]

unlike windows
#voice-chat-text-1 message

those are not allowed to be closed

[lime flicker]

wtf :\

[delicate wren]

it would be worse if it was a single window with the same amount of tabs

migration to firefox is still in progress

[lime flicker]

good to know

@proper ridge what are you working on ?

[delicate wren]

pickle might work; depends on the type

pickle is the way model weights are loaded by many AI libraries

only load trusted data, because pickle allows arbitrary code execution

at least it's not Yandex Browser

[stuck bluff]

@deep niche @stray imp 👋

[deep niche]

hello

howdy?

[stray imp]

Hello @stuck bluff , how are you doing?

[stuck bluff]

@shrewd tide 👋

[delicate wren]

very terrible user experience despite all the AI features they're marketing

[stuck bluff]

@sudden fern 👋

[lime flicker]

Have you used Arc ?

[delicate wren]

just another chrome

[lime flicker]

i agree

[delicate wren]

hmm

reminds of mongo requiring AVX to start

"someone somewhere forgot if exists"

wouldn't be surprised if they use AVX for BSON/JSON parsing thus leading to relatively poor performance on pre-AVX CPUs~~ (which would look bad on benchmarks)~~

[stuck bluff]

@small zenith 👋

@agile elbow 👋

[agile elbow]

man i hate the voice verification

@proper ridge what are you programming?

[delicate wren]

Self means exactly the same type

for [[1]], __getitem__ does not return Self

what you seem to have meant there was returning a type that implements the same protocol

hmm

or not, that one might be correct

ig Collection itself is fine

(I might've confused it with what recursive one does)

seems correct

[stuck bluff]

@wise hazel 👋

[delicate wren]

these two behave differently for list and ndarray

it can't check generics, yes

[wise hazel]

hey

[delicate wren]

otherwise it'd be very complex

you can only reasonably check that statically (using mypy and others)

[delicate wren]

list only supports int for __mul__

because it repeats the list

!e

print([1] * 2)
print([1] + [1])
print([1] * [1])

[coarse hearth]

:x: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 | [1, 1]
002 | [1, 1]
003 | Traceback (most recent call last):
004 |   File "/home/main.py", line 3, in <module>
005 |     print([1] * [1])
006 |           ~~~~^~~~~
007 | TypeError: can't multiply sequence by non-int of type 'list'

[delicate wren]

!e

print([1] @ [1])

[coarse hearth]

:x: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 |   File "/home/main.py", line 1, in <module>
003 |     print([1] @ [1])
004 |           ~~~~^~~~~
005 | TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for @: 'list' and 'list'

[delicate wren]

!d operator.matmul

[coarse hearth]

operator.matmul

operator.matmul(a, b)``````py

operator.__matmul__(a, b)```
Return `a @ b`.

Added in version 3.5.

[delicate wren]

added because of numpy

it's part of Python

@ binary operator

it's not used anywhere in Python itself afaik

the only type you can reasonably use there is probably tf.Tensor

@thin lintel some amounts of background noise

[thin lintel]

Sorry, I'm in train

[delicate wren]

list and others are only useful for inputs, I'd expect

[delicate wren]

.

[rotund bough]

python supports operator overloading so just implement the functionality

[proper ridge]

For the Collection class I have you mean?

[bleak flare]

Hi

[delicate wren]

I'm back
(was outside signing papers)

@proper ridge https://docs.python.org/3/reference/datamodel.html#specialnames

for __method__s

somewhere in the nested sections it lists operator overloading

3.3.8. Emulating numeric types

[turbid gull]

Hi, everybody!

Have a good day, everyone!

[delicate wren]

also clarifies that constructors aren't entirely a thing inherent to class

and rather just what type.__call__ does

[turbid gull]

I can't talk on voice chat because I didn't pass verification

I try to do it

[delicate wren]

two more messages approximately

[turbid gull]

ohhh

[proper ridge]

!e

help(list)

[delicate wren]

yeah, probably should base functionality on usecase

[coarse hearth]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | Help on class list in module builtins:
002 | 
003 | class list(object)
004 |  |  list(iterable=(), /)
005 |  |
006 |  |  Built-in mutable sequence.
007 |  |
008 |  |  If no argument is given, the constructor creates a new empty list.
009 |  |  The argument must be an iterable if specified.
010 |  |
... (truncated - too many lines)

Full output: https://paste.pythondiscord.com/6CL6YLGO3FGQFLGBHTCR2OFL4I

[turbid gull]

help(list)

[delicate wren]

and, yes, help does work there

[turbid gull]

!e

[coarse hearth]

Missing required argument

code

[delicate wren]

but it's not interactive

(not scrollable)

!d list

[coarse hearth]

list

class list([iterable])```
Lists may be constructed in several ways:

• Using a pair of square brackets to denote the empty list: `[]`

• Using square brackets, separating items with commas: `[a]`, `[a, b, c]`

• Using a list comprehension: `[x for x in iterable]`

• Using the type constructor: `list()` or `list(iterable)`...

Similar names: pdbcommand.list, term.list

[turbid gull]

!e print('Hello World')

[coarse hearth]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

Hello World

[delicate wren]

there is often a set of operators expected from a certain concept (e.g. a number)

[turbid gull]

!e help(list)

[coarse hearth]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | Help on class list in module builtins:
002 | 
003 | class list(object)
004 |  |  list(iterable=(), /)
005 |  |
006 |  |  Built-in mutable sequence.
007 |  |
008 |  |  If no argument is given, the constructor creates a new empty list.
009 |  |  The argument must be an iterable if specified.
010 |  |
... (truncated - too many lines)

Full output: https://paste.pythondiscord.com/MS2ZCRFEWXN4Z4G6T4YBBECIHI

[delicate wren]

in Rust, there is a common pattern of having a IntoSomething interface (IntoIterator, IntoFuture) to allow for conversion into something compatible on "user-facing" methods/functions

class IntoCollection(Protocol[T]):
    def into_collection(self) -> Collection[T]: ...

^ not entirely valid in case of Python

ndarray has a fixed-ish set of what can convert to it

so maybe just re-export that

@proper ridge usually grouped by what they do

__gt__/__lt__/__le__/__ge__ should be together, for example

!e

print({1, 2, 3} - {2})

[coarse hearth]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

{1, 3}

[delicate wren]

!e

print({1, 2, 3} ^ {1, 2, 4})

[coarse hearth]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

{3, 4}

[delicate wren]

!e

print({1, 2, 3} & {1, 2, 4})

[coarse hearth]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

{1, 2}

[delicate wren]

symmetric difference

[delicate wren]

@proper ridge CustomClass() != object() should be supported

cross-type equality checks are normal for Python

check the type, then compare the result if types are the same

otherwise return NotImplemented

[proper ridge]

Brb

[delicate wren]

raise TypeError equivalent for equality check is return NotImplemented

and generally for operators that is the case

!e

print([].__mul__([]))

[coarse hearth]

:x: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 |   File "/home/main.py", line 1, in <module>
003 |     print([].__mul__([]))
004 |           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
005 | TypeError: 'list' object cannot be interpreted as an integer

[delicate wren]

hmm

(not in that case though)

I'm trying to remember when it does that

!e

import numpy as np
a = np.array([[1, 2, 3]])
b = np.array([[1], [2], [4]])
print(np.matmul(a, b))
print(np.matmul(b, a))

[coarse hearth]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | [[17]]
002 | [[ 1  2  3]
003 |  [ 2  4  6]
004 |  [ 4  8 12]]

[delicate wren]

!e

import numpy as np
a = np.array([[1, 2, 3]])
b = np.array([[1], [2], [4]])
print(np.dot(a, b))
print(np.dot(b, a))

[coarse hearth]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | [[17]]
002 | [[ 1  2  3]
003 |  [ 2  4  6]
004 |  [ 4  8 12]]

[delicate wren]

wait is dot just an alias

ig same for 1d/2d

[delicate wren]

(it's not)

[delicate wren]

that border is giant though

@thin lintel Baltic states are having the same issue because Kaliningrad

[thin lintel]

oh yeah

Estonia is building a wall

[delicate wren]

... one of rare cases when I'm not referring to it as Koenigsberg

[thin lintel]

1340km long border

[stuck bluff]

https://api.deepai.org/job-view-file/416d43e7-847c-41fa-8a14-3ddd62aaded8/outputs/output.jpg?art-image=true Cancoon.

@raw wren

@loud imp 👋

[raw wren]

cancoon

[delicate wren]

"just bring your own veterinarian"

[stuck bluff]

"If you can't make your own, store bought is fine."

@gusty ether 👋

@torn goblet 👋

[torn goblet]

I have a ollama GPU instance if anybody need.

[gusty ether]

I can't type on voice chat and unmute my mic, it says no permission

[stuck bluff]

@dim basin 👋

[stuck bluff]

#voice-verification

[torn goblet]

The voice verification systyem is pretty bad.

[hearty heath]

It's a bit annoying, but it drastically cut down on hit-and-run trolling in the VC

Hey 👋

[dim basin]

i may have asked this question before but do you know anything do to with custom tkinter? i'm trying to create a gui for a program i've made in python and need some help setting up a combo box

[torn goblet]

combo box?

[stuck bluff]

Not my area, sorry. Try asking in #user-interfaces or see #❓｜how-to-get-help.

[torn goblet]

Html?

[stuck bluff]

Also, I'm liable to be asleep shortly.

[proper ridge]

When you define __eq__, do you need to define __ne__ as well?

Seems quite redundant.

[delicate wren]

!e

class C:
    def __eq__(self, other): return True

print(C() != C())

[coarse hearth]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

False

[delicate wren]

!e

class C:
    def __eq__(self, other): return False

print(C() != C())

[coarse hearth]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

True

[hearty heath]

By default __ne__ delegates to __eq__, but you may want to implemented if you want to implement richer behaviour (e.g. when you use comparison operators on numpy arrays, they return arrays not booleans).

[delicate wren]

!e

class C:
    def __eq__(self, other): return NotImplemented

print(C() != C())

[coarse hearth]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

True

[proper ridge]

I see.

[delicate wren]

I don't know what __ne__ would be there

hmm

the result is surprisingly adequate

NotImplemented

(I did expect that but was not sure)

[proper ridge]

I guess it's not == unless explicitly defined otherwise?

Feels verryyy weird to me right now.

[delicate wren]

not == and NotImplemeted is kept as is

!d functools.total_ordering

[coarse hearth]

functools.total\_ordering

@functools.total_ordering```
Given a class defining one or more rich comparison ordering methods, this class decorator supplies the rest. This simplifies the effort involved in specifying all of the possible rich comparison operations:

The class must define one of `__lt__()`, `__le__()`, `__gt__()`, or `__ge__()`. In addition, the class should supply an `__eq__()` method.

For example:

[proper ridge]

Then why is __ne__ even included?

[delicate wren]

^ if you want to fill comparison methods

[delicate wren]

see what numpy does

[proper ridge]

Hehe

One moment...

[delicate wren]

!e

import numpy as np
not np.ones(5)

[coarse hearth]

:x: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 |   File "/home/main.py", line 2, in <module>
003 |     not np.ones(5)
004 | ValueError: The truth value of an array with more than one element is ambiguous. Use a.any() or a.all()

[proper ridge]

I do consider a.all and a.any for __eq__ already.

[delicate wren]

!e

import numpy as np
print(np.ones(5) == np.ones(5))
print(np.ones(5) != np.ones(5))

[coarse hearth]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | [ True  True  True  True  True]
002 | [False False False False False]

[delicate wren]

result of == is unnotable, so != needs be derived

[stuck bluff]

@plain moss 👋

[delicate wren]

iirc Rust allows custom != too

but clippy considers it a warning

(maybe rustc too)

Rust itself seems to override it only for slices and arrays

[proper ridge]

I'm still searching in numpy's src, few more moments...

[delicate wren]

.

numpy can't override not so it has to prevent it

[hearty heath]

!eval Example of where __eq__ and __ne__ might return something other than booleans. ```py
from dataclasses import dataclass

class Expr:
def eq(self, other):
return Eq(self, other)

def __ne__(self, other):
    return Ne(self, other)

def __add__(self, other):
    return Add(self, other)

def eval(self):
    raise NotImplementedError()

@dataclass(eq=False)
class Binop(Expr):
lhs: Expr
rhs: Expr

class Eq(Binop):
def eval(self):
return self.lhs.eval() == self.rhs.eval()

class Ne(Binop):
def eval(self):
return self.lhs.eval() != self.rhs.eval()

class Add(Binop):
def eval(self):
return self.lhs.eval() + self.rhs.eval()

@dataclass(eq=False)
class Num(Expr):
value: float

def eval(self):
    return self.value

x = Num(2)
y = Num(3)
expr = x + y == y + x
print(expr)
print(expr.eval())

[coarse hearth]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | Eq(lhs=Add(lhs=Num(value=2), rhs=Num(value=3)), rhs=Add(lhs=Num(value=3), rhs=Num(value=2)))
002 | True

[proper ridge]

It has __ne__ (through its parent class _ArrayOrScalarCommon).

[proper ridge]

I see.

[delicate wren]

5.5 years dead

[proper ridge]

This is useful for when I implement my QNum primitive, but I still don't quite understand how it would work for like when you have a class and try to just define it for that class.

[delicate wren]

> it will literally solve all issues
no humans => no issues

[proper ridge]

Even mathematics itself is not complete enough to solve all issues.

[delicate wren]

there are reasons why you need separated thinking, and more than one perspective

[proper ridge]

Exactly.

[delicate wren]

hive mind is sure road to death of society, so this is how it will solve all issues

[elder wraith]

It's just techbro optimism that is insane to me

[proper ridge]

Or we can pull a "Girl with all the gifts" type of thing.

[delicate wren]

it's not even optimism, it's plain delusion

[proper ridge]

This is why I always recommend talking about coding, can't hype sth without showing it actually working.

[elder wraith]

normal people call it delusion, techbros call it the future

[proper ridge]

They literally talk about anything besides SE, let alone python. I honestly have made a game out of it hehe.

[elder wraith]

SE/Python is pretty boring

[proper ridge]

That's the point of the server though.

[elder wraith]

It's like talking about Math, it's a solved problem

[proper ridge]

No Rabbit, not to that degree.

[elder wraith]

sure but talking about solved problems is generally boring

[proper ridge]

And since when is math considered objectively solved?

[elder wraith]

except at insane high end, it's solved 1+1 = 2 and 2+2 = 4

[proper ridge]

I literally have 5 questions from the top of my head that I haven't seen a single publication or reference that solves it.

[elder wraith]

3x+1?

[delicate wren]

unsolved problems are too niche
and communicating solved problems is more important (and, yes, boring)

[proper ridge]

Do you really see our questions as that trivial?

[elder wraith]

Do you want honesty?

[proper ridge]

Yes.

[elder wraith]

Yes, most programming problems people bring in voice is newbie solved issues. Most people here are writing CRUD apps. Here is FastAPI, learn classes and a database. Enjoy

[proper ridge]

Besides the newbies learning how to code?

[delicate wren]

even mathematicians themselves call that one a waste of time lol

[proper ridge]

Ask the ones who are actually working in the industry. Do you think Anokhi's work for instance is trivial?

[elder wraith]

Anokhi work is not trivial

[delicate wren]

if your company is solving an unsolved problem, good idea could be to shut up and monetise it

[proper ridge]

Since when is calculus a waste of time?

[elder wraith]

but Anokhi can't really talk about his work either because it's work

[proper ridge]

Rarely people are that smart to solve sth without collaborating with others.

[elder wraith]

we have some interesting fraud problems at work, I can't talk about it period.

[proper ridge]

.

[delicate wren]

it's not calculus

[delicate wren]

[elder wraith]

When people bring programming calculus level problems into VC, sometimes people do help out, it's pretty darn rare it happens.

[proper ridge]

3x + 1, that's a simple 1st degree variable equation. That's what we learned back in elementary school as calculus.

[elder wraith]

most of time it's "My Python install is borked"

[delicate wren]

3x + 1 is number theory not calculus

[elder wraith]

And sure, your quantum computing stuff is interesting to some, I just find it boring because I tend want to mess with practical stuff and Quantum computers are not out of the lab

[proper ridge]

That's literally why I do it.

It's useless at the moment. That's why it's an unsolved problem.

[elder wraith]

Sure but others may not find it interesting if they are trying to get venv running

[proper ridge]

They leave as fast as they come.

[proper ridge]

Number theory for us was different subsets of numerical values, natural, float, etc. As well their underlying properties. When they introduced variables and functions it was in calculus.

[delicate wren]

integers -- number theory
floats -- calculus

[proper ridge]

Floats are real numbers. We had them under number theory.

[delicate wren]

(at least that's how most of the world views it)

[proper ridge]

I honestly never got that impression during my school days. Even when I was competing at olympiad level, we always referred to the type of numbers as number theory, and variables and functions as calculus.

[proper ridge]

I recall the IGCSE system also using it like us, maybe I remember falsely.

I remember this from like 2nd or 3rd grade.

[delicate wren]

natural numbers, not whole numbers, because "whole numbers" is ambiguous

"natural numbers" is ambiguous too, but not as much

[proper ridge]

I even remember when I came to KL, I had this friend who was in 8th grade or so and was like I don't get x, what the fuck is x, and she had just been exposed to variables in calculus.

[delicate wren]

calculus is where many people start learning what functions are, yes

[dim basin]

anyone here ever used Ctk?

[delicate wren]

instead of set theory where it really comes from

[proper ridge]

So, we had number theory in elementary to introduce arithmetics and different number classes, and then it would branch out into calculus, linear algebra, probability and statistics, discrete mathematics, and geometry (I don't think I missed any? I'm just looking at the books I had from back in the day).

Calculus had the variables and functions, basically the base framework. LA was mostly vectors, matrices, and their properties (though we did have systems of linear equations where you would have variables). Probability and statistics felt like applied calculus because you would analyze functions to generate some insight. Discrete mathematics was a bit weird, it was mostly combinatorics like the pigeon hole problem, and geometry was geometry.

That's how it was for us. When I came to KL we were still in the same system, but I did get a chance to check out the IGCSE A and O level stuff, and it seemed almost identical, but this is from more than 4 years ago, and in a different language, so maybe I misspeak.

I'm googling it, if feels like I'm remembering correctly, but please do correct me if I'm wrong.

I'll get the books out, one sec...

[delicate wren]

all I'm able to find related to number theory specifies it's about integers within the first couple of sentences

[dim basin]

.

[delicate wren]

and calculus is described as differentiation and integration

... which doesn't work on integers

[delicate wren]

and, yes, that is indeed a very limited description

[proper ridge]

We had those in calculus too. So I got my books out. I only have from after 9th grade with me.

9th grade chapters:
1, 2) Number theory
3) Geometry
4) Powers
5) Algebraic expressions (first mention of variables, i.e., x)
6) coordinates
7) Algebraic expression 2 (I don't know the translation)
8) Volume

[delicate wren]

pygame+pybox2d

[tame leaf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zNpKXf52DE&t=23s

[delicate wren]

box2d has a JS version of it

(that is what codebullet uses)

[proper ridge]

10th almost just an expansion. 11th where we got calculus is where it more formally introduces functions and variables and expands more on those.

Again, this was my experience with my system and IGCSE if I recall correctly. I didn't check the US version with AP courses (could never get access to those back in the day).

[delicate wren]

I only remember the maths education for 8~11th grade, since that was basically re-learn of everything

[proper ridge]

For us 8-11th was like proper math, before that is like just building preliminaries for preliminaries.

So, for special schools, you would apply most during 8-11th.

We had 12th being the last year so kids would just prepare for konkoor.

I got a wave of nostalgia reading those books, thanks AF.

Really really loved those books. They're honestly also more advanced than most stuff I read these days (comparing to OCW stuff especially).

[proper ridge]

Did you guys also have the branch out option between math-physics, biology, and then humanities?

We had these three branches.

I was math-phy, so we had all the math and phy books (with additional chapters teehee). Biology kids had a lighter math and phy but instead had biology book. Humanities course was basically for drop outs.

Perfume is for ladies if I'm not mistaken.

Men wear cologne.

Sharper smell usually.

Dead people usually don't smell pleasent, yes.

Sounds like sth Tina Belcher would write.

[delicate wren]

found the program; tried to translate
https://gist.github.com/afeistel/68bdee328d5d2c348e1eff6fd801a6d8

[delicate wren]

that's decided before starting education where I was

[proper ridge]

HEHEHEHE

[delicate wren]

people get into that school from other schools

[proper ridge]

Gotcha.

[delicate wren]

it's only recently that some level of branching was intoduced for math students

[proper ridge]

I loved math, but some other kids had their parents choose for them.

[proper ridge]

It's needed. Otherwise, they're trying to produce one size fit all product.

[delicate wren]

^ this excludes geometry and algebra

mostly

those two were separate subjects

(from the rest of the mathematics)

[proper ridge]

Were they separate books?

Or all the chapters in a single book for each year?

[delicate wren]

one book for geometry
one book for algebra
zero books for everything else

[proper ridge]

Gotcha.

[delicate wren]

books we only used for exercises

[proper ridge]

Ohh like tutorial books?

[delicate wren]

no, just big lists of exercises

[proper ridge]

Yeah, we had those too. You would read from one book, and do tutorials in another.

Oh I see.

[delicate wren]

Demidovich-style

[proper ridge]

My favorite books that I read throughout the year (advanced level of the curriculum, helped me stay sharp) were lecture + tutorial + MCQ and repeat.

Like each chapter had around 300 or so MCQs.

God I wish it was digital, I would have so grinded it for achievements.

Achievement Unlocked "BookWorm"

[delicate wren]

we normally didn't have multiple-choice questions

[proper ridge]

Ohh we had TONS of MCQs.

Mainly because of Konkoor.

[delicate wren]

I only remember the ones on the final state exam

[proper ridge]

It's basically the final boss like in MK: Armageddon.

[delicate wren]

for algebra and geometry questions were almost always one of three sorts:
prove this
is this correct (prove)
calculate that (and show how)

[proper ridge]

So, in our system you have three categories of exams:

1. Standard exams (these were the ones you do for your degree, part of the standard curriculum. They were long answer questions, short answer questions, and MCQs)
2. Competition exams (Almost entirely MCQs, very time intensive. I did have some of these be in multiple stages, and you would for instance have like 100 MCQs in 90 minutes, and then have the second stage be the long answer questions. MCQs would teach kids about time management and being efficient)
3. Final exam (Konkoor, which is basically the ultimate exam consisting of everything from your entire education. Also completely MCQ)

[proper ridge]

So these were under standard exams, as your long answer questions. We had these mostly for geometry if I recall correctly. And of course in LA.

Calculate that was in both MCQ and long answer format.

[delicate wren]

(not exams)

just for weekly tests

[proper ridge]

Yeah we had those too. These were subsets of standard exams for each chapter.

You would then have them in the final exam at the end of the academic year.

For standard we had weekly tests, and then two final exams (one in the middle of the year, the other at the end).

[delicate wren]

there is one dumb statistics problem in the final maths exam in Russia which always takes a whole page to prove (and it's in almost all variants we had)

[proper ridge]

Although weekly tests depended on the lecturer too.

[proper ridge]

HEHEHE

Same. We had those too. God you'd feel insane if you would lose marks for a simple calculation mistake.

Like put 12 instead of 16.

[delicate wren]

I was confident enough to leave after only half the assigned time had passed (2 hours out of 3h55m)

[proper ridge]

I got low marks once in my life because I used to do alot of the calculations in my head (now my answers were correct, but my lecturer minused marks to teach me a lesson. I did make lots of small careless calculation mistakes here and there too.)

I would solve a three hour exam in 10 minutes, but I would sit until the very end reviewing the exam over and over and over and over.

[proper ridge]

God no, I would OCD-like review the exam 100 times.

If I was confident, I would start adding extra stuff to my questions out of boredom.

[delicate wren]

I had way worse things to worry about at that time lol

I checked the whole thing once

and just to avoid extra stress left it as is

which resulted in an imperfect 100/100

[proper ridge]

I mean, me too (family stuff mostly, home was hell) and I was very fat back then so studying was my favorite thing, and grades were my way of proving to myself I understood it properly.

[delicate wren]

and, yes, 100/100 can be imperfect because of conversion mechanism

[delicate wren]

30/32, 31/32 and 32/32 all coalesce into 100/100

[proper ridge]

I don't get it. It's full mark, no?

[proper ridge]

Ohh.

[delicate wren]

primary score gets converted non-linearly

[proper ridge]

Gotcha.

Did it eat away at you?

[delicate wren]

someone, who I tried helping, getting <70 was more worrying

[proper ridge]

I see.

I was super sensitive about grades, like our scales were on 20/20 scale. Once I got 19.75/20 (meaning a single, small mistake costing 0.25). I felt such shame that I wanted to just die. Don't know why I cared so much.

[delicate wren]

!e

print(f'{19.75/20:%}')

[coarse hearth]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

98.750000%

[proper ridge]

It did push me to work harder though, until my love for the curriculum became big enough to outweigh my stress and I worked as hard if not harder but with less stress.

[proper ridge]

I didn't know this command, nice!

[proper ridge]

I can imagine myself crying about this back then. Like if I knew it was not 100/100, I would have probably cried my eyes out in private somewhere hehe.

Like why? You got your grade, why would you care? It took a while to understand grades are just grades, stuff you need to graduate.

[delicate wren]

@proper ridge first two are just 3 without 1x

yes, audible (just came back)

@proper ridge [[1, 2, 3]] instead of [1, 2, 3]

[1,2,3] is ambiguous

for me seeing it as [[1],[2],[3]] feels more natural

!e

import numpy as np
a = np.array([[1,3,5]])
print(a @ a)

[coarse hearth]

:x: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 |   File "/home/main.py", line 3, in <module>
003 |     print(a @ a)
004 |           ~~^~~
005 | ValueError: matmul: Input operand 1 has a mismatch in its core dimension 0, with gufunc signature (n?,k),(k,m?)->(n?,m?) (size 1 is different from 3)

[delicate wren]

!e

import numpy as np
a = np.array([[1,3,5]])
print(np.dot(a, a))

[coarse hearth]

:x: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 |   File "/home/main.py", line 3, in <module>
003 |     print(np.dot(a, a))
004 |           ^^^^^^^^^^^^
005 | ValueError: shapes (1,3) and (1,3) not aligned: 3 (dim 1) != 1 (dim 0)

[delicate wren]

it's too smart

@proper ridge maybe also first check that there's exactly 2 dimensions on both

otherwise ambiguous

many matrices is the example

that's where you'll need 3

and only three, since you can always reshape everything else to one one dimension

many operators

no

not sequential

parallel

[leaden moth]

I don't know why I'm here and my English is weak (: But can you evaluate this project that I did (I'm new to Python))

import turtle

def draw_sun():
turtle.color("yellow")
turtle.begin_fill()
for _ in range(36):
turtle.forward(100)
turtle.right(170)
turtle.end_fill()

def draw_moon():
turtle.color("black")
turtle.begin_fill()
turtle.circle(50)
turtle.end_fill()

def main():
choice = input("Enter 'day' or 'night': ")

turtle.speed(6)  
if choice == "day":
    draw_sun()
elif choice == "night":
    draw_moon()
else:
    print("error")

turtle.done()

if name == "main":
main()

[delicate wren]

C_i = A_i * B_i

[delicate wren]

!code

[coarse hearth]

Formatting code on Discord

Here's how to format Python code on Discord:

```py
print('Hello world!')
```

These are backticks, not quotes. Check this out if you can't find the backtick key.

For long code samples, you can use our pastebin.

[delicate wren]

you have two lists of operators
you make a third one out of those

[delicate wren]

(with syntax highlighting)
https://paste.pythondiscord.com/HOJQ

[peak needle]

i speak arabic so i can translate if you want

[proper ridge]

print("Hello Ali!")

[peak needle]

.

[leaden moth]

ok

[peak needle]

عايز تقوله ايه؟

[delicate wren]

[A_0, A_1, ..., A_i, ..., A_n]
[B_0, B_1, ..., B_i, ..., B_n]
[C_0, C_1, ..., C_i, ..., C_n]

[leaden moth]

بس بعتت اول مشروع الي بالبايثون بمكتبة السلحفاة قلت خليهم يقيموه -- اعطيني تقييمك لو عاوز تشوفه

[leaden moth]

.

[delicate wren]

yes

[peak needle]

Alisa

he wantes you to rate his project

afk

[delicate wren]

code seems clean enough

one thing I'd generally suggest when taking string input that you test for exact match would be to remove trailing/leading whitespace

!e

s = " day "
print(s == "day")

[coarse hearth]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

False

[delicate wren]

!e

s = " day ".strip()
print(s == "day")

[coarse hearth]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

True

[delicate wren]

@proper ridge this would more often come up with many vectors rather than many operators

shape (1, VECTOR_SIZE, VECTOR_COUNT) when plugging into matmul

(optionally reordered)

operators depend on physical arrangement of stuff, right?
so many operators might come up when we're evaluating and comparing different arrangements or whatever

like many different quantum computers

rather than many different inputs

no

[delicate wren]

1 because matmul still needs to be pointed at two dimensions to treat as matrix ones

yes, three dimensional

not more

(VECTOR_SIZE, VECTOR_SIZE, OPERATOR_COUNT)

when we multiply
(VECTOR_SIZE, VECTOR_COUNT)
by
(VECTOR_SIZE, VECTOR_SIZE, OPERATOR_COUNT)
there will be
(VECTOR_SIZE, VECTOR_COUNT, OPERATOR_COUNT) (another place where 3 dims appear)
as output

vectors input
operators
vectors output

10 operators
25 vectors
250 results

https://app.diagrams.net/

[ornate cobalt]

https://excalidraw.com/

[delicate wren]

it just didn't embed because the site is always broken in one way or another

[delicate wren]

open-source mostly

https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=hediet.vscode-drawio

rare

@ornate cobalt @proper ridge three skews makes a rotation

I will not teach how because I don't know how

https://youtu.be/1LCEiVDHJmc

[serene quail]

.

Any1 know how to instal Python on pc system

[delicate wren]

what OS?

[serene quail]

Like I got installed But activate

Windows

[delicate wren]

there was something earlier with draw.io
#voice-chat-text-0 message

[serene quail]

11

[delicate wren]

activate as in?

did you check "add to path" during installation?

[serene quail]

Python installer

Idk path

[delicate wren]

how are you trying to run it?

[serene quail]

It say Its not Turned on

[fast path]

any chance I can get granted permission to speak on the voice chat?

[serene quail]

In path

[delicate wren]

where does it say that?

[fast path]

I need to speak to @ornate cobalt

[delicate wren]

!voice

[coarse hearth]

Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

[serene quail]

How do I do that path

[twin bobcat]

what's up

[delicate wren]

re-run the installer
check "add to path"
click customize installation
next
install

Vue?

[twin bobcat]

view

[serene quail]

How much more I need to talk so I Can talk in Ff

[delicate wren]

I don't remember any problems specific to Vue

[serene quail]

Vc

[ornate cobalt]

#voice-verification

[twin bobcat]

50 undeleted messages

[ornate cobalt]

It should tell you

[twin bobcat]

and 3 days in the server

pretty much it

[delicate wren]

!user in #bot-commands to see how many messages bot sees you've sent

[serene quail]

Month already

3 more

[twin bobcat]

womp womp

[serene quail]

1

Finaly

[twin bobcat]

ngl

Sometimes I feel like an imposter

[ornate cobalt]

https://www.php.net/manual/en/function.exec.php

[delicate wren]

ways to call Python from PHP that I'd expect to be possible:
subprocess
network
direct function call -- difficult

second one is preferred generally

why:
starting Python interpreter frequently is inefficient

Python startup times are terrible

that's why using some sort of API to connect them is suggested

normal Vue on its own has no way of communicating to Python because it's a front-end framework

in modern Vue installation, you're often be dealing with Nuxt or something similar that allows back-end functionality too

[rotund bough]

fetch

[delicate wren]

for fetch to work you need proxying to back-end

at some point in the stack

(as in static Vue won't be enough)

[fast path]

tihs is perfect! Thanks a lot once again

[twin bobcat]

[delicate wren]

in LiveShare's model, there's only one copy of the file

your local version of the project, if existent, does not synchronise to remote when you connect to remote

(local version as in a file not what you see in the UI)

for synchronising process on a project across computers, you can use a VCS (for example, Git)

[upper garnet]

hi, i am new

[delicate wren]

it thinks of a local view of the file as just a temporary (optionally altered or outdated) representation

[upper garnet]

i can't make the import functionality work

with my own files

i am not american i am french

[delicate wren]

there's quite many non-Americans in the VC

(so that assumption was a bit off)

@ornate cobalt you can use std::sync::mpsc::Sender for reports if you want to have it shared at a performance cost

@serene quail it stands for distributed denial of service

denial of service: something doesn't work (usually because of high load)
distributed: many sources of attack

[upper garnet]

can any of you help 😭

[delicate wren]

what's the project structure?

[proper ridge]

What's the issue?

[delicate wren]

you're importing your own modules, right?

[upper garnet]

i am completely new so i am not sure what you mean by project structure but it's in the same folder

different files in the same folder

[upper garnet]

yes

[delicate wren]

so

/folder
  module_1.py
  module_2.py

and module_2.py has

import module_1

something like this, right?

[upper garnet]

exactly

[delicate wren]

imports don't work as in there's an error?

what's the error if any?

[upper garnet]

import "something" could not be resolved

[delicate wren]

is the file named exactly something.py?

[upper garnet]

yes altho

[delicate wren]

how are you running the script?

[upper garnet]

i am working with .ipynb

why ? because my friedn who was supposed to introduce me to dev told me to

[delicate wren]

you're trying to import .ipynb from another .ipynb?

[upper garnet]

early on

yes

[delicate wren]

that won't work, afaik

you need a regular .py

[upper garnet]

so i'll just have to copy pasta everything

[delicate wren]

@proud coral typing speed is generally not the bottleneck
its effects, though not zero, are negligible

most time is spent reading

> ChatGPT
> concise
not at all, in my experience

you need to ask it to be

@wraith portal with enough experience you'll often end up in situations when you don't need to google for hours

navigating docs will take over

[buoyant dagger]

Afaik the bot counts the messages continuously?

[delicate wren]

I think it just uses search

not sure, but that's very likely

!source user

[coarse hearth]

Command: user

Returns info about a user.

Source Code

Go to GitHub

bot/exts/info/information.py:243

[delicate wren]

nowadays I use StackOverflow way more rarely than years earlier

[ornate cobalt]

same sadly

[buoyant dagger]

I don't think there is a search function for bots?

[delicate wren]

as for AI assistance -- I don't do that at all, not worth it

[proper ridge]

AF, what do you think?

pseudocode:
Define type of a and b:
    if both are bras or both are kets:
        raise ValueError("Cannot multiply two kets or bras together.")

    elif one is a bra and the other is a ket:
        if the dimensions don't match:
            raise ValueError(f"The dimensions don't match. {a.shape} and {b.shape}")
        return a @ b

    elif a is an operator:
        if b is a bra:
            raise ValueError("Cannot multiply A<psi|. The dimensions don't match.")
        elif b is a ket:
            if dimensions don't match:
                raise ValueError(f"The dimensions don't match. {a.shape} and {b.shape}")
            return np.dot(a, b)
        elif b is an operator:
            if dimensions don't match:
                raise ValueError(f"The dimensions don't match. {a.shape} and {b.shape}")
            return a @ b

    elif b is an operator:
        if a is a ket:
            raise ValueError("Cannot multiply |psi>A. The dimensions don't match.")
        elif a is a bra:
            if dimensions don't match:
                raise ValueError(f"The dimensions don't match. {a.shape} and {b.shape}")
            return np.dot(a, b)

    else:
        raise ValueError("Unknown error has occurred.")

[delicate wren]

yeah, I looked up, and, yes, it seems to have a separate service for that

you can see that in source

[delicate wren]

here

[dawn pond]

Sorry we don't have any experience with bras 🙃🙃 . JK

[proper ridge]

bras are basically row vectors.

Kets are column vectors.

[delicate wren]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bra–ket_notation

[proper ridge]

It's the braket notation introduced by Dirac to simplify the shape.

[delicate wren]

@serene quail what do you mean by minecraft script?

[proper ridge]

Makes your life a lot easier.

[dawn pond]

Really??☠️☠️

[proper ridge]

JS I think? Like MineFlayer?

[proper ridge]

Alisa sent the wiki on it. Have a look.

[dawn pond]

My bad I have dark humor

[delicate wren]

"c" got lost somewhere in the process

[proper ridge]

Hehehe.

[delicate wren]

!d tkinter.ttk

[coarse hearth]

tkinter.ttk

Source code: Lib/tkinter/ttk.py

The tkinter.ttk module provides access to the Tk themed widget set, introduced in Tk 8.5. It provides additional benefits including anti-aliased font rendering under X11 and window transparency (requiring a composition window manager on X11).

The basic idea for tkinter.ttk is to separate, to the extent possible, the code implementing a widget’s behavior from the code implementing its appearance.

[proper ridge]

Dirac probably just bended it into -.

[delicate wren]

tkinter is somewhat limited in its functionality

[proper ridge]

Gotta love Dirac. Made such an awesome representation for vectors and matrices in quantum mechanics, and even went ahead and fixed Feynman's problem with path integrals. Absolute legend.

[delicate wren]

@serene quail are you following one of these two guides for adding entities?
https://forge.gemwire.uk/wiki/Making_Entities
https://fabricmc.net/wiki/tutorial:entity

no the topic of minecraft,
in new versions of OpenComputers, the default OS comes with micropython pre-installed

since the computers there are now just RISC-V emulators rather than Lua runtimes

https://github.com/fnuecke/sedna

@obtuse valve why are you dealing with pointers in Rust?

or did you mean references?

[obtuse valve]

*&

[obtuse valve]

THIS

[delicate wren]

in most cases:
*&x is x
&*x is x

[obtuse valve]

* dereference

& borrow??

*

[delicate wren]

normally you only need * to extract a value out of Box or to extract a Copy value out of &T

[obtuse valve]

this does not involve a box does it

but * still manages to turn &x into x

[delicate wren]

let x: i32  = 2;
let y: &i32 = &x;
let z: i32  = *y;

for T: Copy, * on &T will give you T

it's basically just a way to clone the value

[obtuse valve]

what if i make z mut lol

can i?

or will rust bitch

let's check using playground

[delicate wren]

let mut x: i32  = 2;
let y: &mut i32 = &mut x;
let z: i32  = *y;

y points to x
z has the same value as x but is at a different place

modifying y will modify x but won't modify z

[rotund bough]

makes sense

z is not a ref

[delicate wren]

or to modify a value behind &mut T

*y = 3;

fn main() {
    let mut x: i32  = 2;
    let y: &mut i32 = &mut x;
    let z: i32  = *y;
    *y = 3;
    println!("{x} {z}");
}

3 2

[obtuse valve]

but isnt the value of z directly taking the raw value of y? so if you modify x and save it to y, surely z will also follow suit?

this sucks man

[rotund bough]

z got assigned by copy and then said too late..

[delicate wren]

z has been moved out of the reference

however
if you instantly take the *y by ref again, it's not moved

fn main() {
    let mut x: i32  = 2;
    let y: &mut i32 = &mut x;
    *&mut*y = 4;
    println!("{x}");
}

4

[obtuse valve]

so when you do *y, you are effectively assigning new memory in order to dump y's value and assigning to z so when y gets changed, z no longer is updated because it has its own "version" of y, which is "outdated"?

[delicate wren]

yes

[obtuse valve]

OMG

HMM

[delicate wren]

z is new memory disjoint from x and y

[rotund bough]

if you change y before assignment then z will have new value

[obtuse valve]

& allows for other variables to access the memory location of the referenced variable (and effectively allows the value of the referenced variable to be accessed)
whereas * just fucking unpacks the value of the accessed variable and dumps it into new memory?

ik * is also used for unpacking right?

is it still true in py?

[rotund bough]

i read * as "value at"

[delicate wren]

not in Rust

in Rust you need ..

iirc

https://pyo3.rs/main/class#defining-a-new-class

[obtuse valve]

struct foo {
}

becomes

{"foo":}

after serde

[delicate wren]

and the whole section on enums
https://pyo3.rs/main/class#pyclass-enums

[rotund bough]

python has enums?

[delicate wren]

!d enum

[coarse hearth]

enum

Added in version 3.4.

Source code: Lib/enum.py...

[obtuse valve]

yeah sure

[delicate wren]

though I think it's not what PyO3 maps it to

[obtuse valve]

yeah im rambling a bit

ok so

what happened i was at a cs taster yesterday

and then the teacher asked us to devise a solution to a contrived problem

and it involved data handling

and then i just assumed that i was using a decently equiped library eg numpy

and i just wrote code that used method calls

but bitch actually wanted me to impl those logic instead of using methods

smfh

and said "stick to something simple"

bitch

[delicate wren]

first performance done
lyrics done

album when

[obtuse valve]

lol

i have the autotune ready

[rotund bough]

send

[obtuse valve]

yuh

yuh

[rotund bough]

translation: doesn't know numpy

[delicate wren]

I was referring to what Crow and ACE said

[rotund bough]

maybe i joined late

[proper ridge]

!paste

https://paste.pythondiscord.com/SUJA

a = np.array([1, 2, 3])
b = np.array([[1],
              [2],
              [3]])
c = np.eye(3)
d = np.array([[0, 0, 1],
              [0, 1, 0],
              [1, 0, 0]])
e = np.array([[1, 2, 3],
              [4, 5, 6],
              [7, 8, 9]])

[delicate wren]

!e

import numpy as np
print(np.array(123).ndim)

[coarse hearth]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

0

[obtuse valve]

guess whos back

dinner was great

[elder wraith]

Shady

[obtuse valve]

lol next time i see my cs teacher i will produce a rap again

and then i'll ask chadgpt to do somethin

i will RAP

[obtuse valve]

that was literally her only argument

lol

[delicate wren]

!d statistics

[coarse hearth]

statistics

Added in version 3.4.

Source code: Lib/statistics.py

This module provides functions for calculating mathematical statistics of numeric (Real-valued) data.

The module is not intended to be a competitor to third-party libraries such as NumPy, SciPy, or proprietary full-featured statistics packages aimed at professional statisticians such as Minitab, SAS and Matlab. It is aimed at the level of graphing and scientific calculators.

[obtuse valve]

okok so for the summer task she told us to make a python programme/website/a writeup on some cringey topics eg ai

what should i do

the actual first impressions

[delicate wren]

what topics other than AI are there

[obtuse valve]

holdup lemme pull up the docs

istg half the class is gonna do some "AI" eg imagenet with pytorch, llms with pytorch etc and using some chatgpt4 api and calling a "python programme"

HOLDUP

[obtuse valve]

EXACTLY

THEY DONT EVEN FUCKING UNDERSTAND THE TECH AND JUMPING THE TECH BANDWAGON

[delicate wren]

wrapping API -- that's what most AI companies do anyway

[obtuse valve]

they can git clone

I FUCKING HATE THEM

[delicate wren]

but can they git clone --recurse-submodules

[obtuse valve]

but they're not 🤦‍♂️

[obtuse valve]

you are really assuming their intelligence (ik this is probs meant to be funny)

[delicate wren]

use AI to show how mediocre AI is

[obtuse valve]

yeah imma use chatgpt to write AI slander

[delicate wren]

2. is quite useful

[obtuse valve]

MAKE A FUCKING RAYTRACER IS PYTHON 🤓

i was seriously considering 2.

but i need hw

[delicate wren]

@proper ridge I'll DM the link to the latest one if you have enough bandwidth to download 128.5MB video

[obtuse valve]

my dad offered me a raspberry pi but idk what impressive task i can do

[elder wraith]

host a website

[delicate wren]

ROS/ROS 2 is quite interesting

[rotund bough]

send to me

[obtuse valve]

eg

robot.forward(10)
robot.left_turn(90)
robot.detonate_nuke()

[delicate wren]

you can try and fix their installation script

[obtuse valve]

stupid

[obtuse valve]

that's the most i can do with some low effort shit

rust simulator????

[sterile orchid]

raytracing in python is just minecraft shaders

ez stuff

[obtuse valve]

imma make cargo lmao

(impossible)

[sterile orchid]

oh coffee time

[obtuse valve]

scratch programming lmao

unless i make a PID

partial integral deririvative

autopilot obstacle avoidance system

then that will be full tryhard

[delicate wren]

browser isn't happy about playing it

[obtuse valve]

or edge inference/compute using ||jetson nano and more "edge asic xPUs"||

for ai i am writing an autograd lib

like currently but the code is broken

[obtuse valve]

this shows understanding but i will have to improve it much more in order to look impressive

feel free to shit on my code /j https://github.com/andreaslam/TensorOps

||disclaimer: only 1/2 examples works||

[teal warren]

this is not appropriate for our server

[delicate wren]

the server is connected to almost a gigabit internet, so idk what goes wrong

[obtuse valve]

quantum simulator wot

[dusty zealot]

what is this guy on

[obtuse valve]

import random
num = random.uniform(0,1)
print(num)

lol

[sterile orchid]

oh yes

you can do that

ace is very correct

practice means do something you know you will have fun doing

what i did was a celestial spere with computer vision

[delicate wren]

!e

import numpy as np
x = np.random.normal(size=5)
r = (x ** 2).sum() ** .5
print(x[:3] / r)

[coarse hearth]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

[ 0.72312847 -0.45571975 -0.30248167]

[delicate wren]

hmm

[sterile orchid]

fun stuff

[obtuse valve]

i might as well just submit my existing a0 code lol

python + rust

overkill lol

[sterile orchid]

^^^

python+flutter

fun times

[delicate wren]

python+python

[sterile orchid]

^^^

even funner

[obtuse valve]

pypy

[delicate wren]

@proper ridge as an aside: do you know what this does?

[obtuse valve]

idk wdym

like what can i do with robot os without a robot smfh

[delicate wren]

it needs to be two elements smaller than the original

that's a very advanced concept called distance

!e

import numpy as np
x = np.random.normal(size=5)
r = (x ** 2).sum() ** .5
print(x[:-2] / r)

[coarse hearth]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

[-0.16864996  0.47857762 -0.36460653]

[delicate wren]

a bit more clear with -2

[delicate wren]

@proper ridge size=3 is easiest to analyse

try generating the result for size=3 many times

then look at the distribution

size=(3, samples)

.sum(axis=0)

!e

import numpy as np
x = np.random.normal(size=(3, 10))
r = (x ** 2).sum(axis=0) ** .5
print(x[:-2] / r)

[coarse hearth]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | [[-0.2111328   0.45509363 -0.44989202  0.12070381  0.84373616  0.35359651
002 |   -0.87185307  0.31055352 -0.21751166  0.02702108]]

[delicate wren]

this is just the original but repeated many times

result will have a somewhat unexpected distribution

x = np.random.normal(size=(3, 1000))
r = (x ** 2).sum(axis=0) ** .5
y = x[0] / r
y.sort()
plt.plot(np.arange(len(y)), y)

I've used it somewhere in there, yes

at the very end

[delicate wren]

I think this should be visual enough

!e

import numpy as np
import matplotlib.pyplot as plt
x = np.random.normal(size=(3, 1000))
r = (x ** 2).sum(axis=0) ** .5
y = x[0] / r
y.sort()
plt.plot(np.arange(len(y)), y)
plt.save('out.png')

[coarse hearth]

:x: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 |   File "/home/main.py", line 8, in <module>
003 |     plt.save('out.png')
004 |     ^^^^^^^^
005 | AttributeError: module 'matplotlib.pyplot' has no attribute 'save'. Did you mean: 'imsave'?

[delicate wren]

I don't remember if it can

!e

import numpy as np
import matplotlib.pyplot as plt
x = np.random.normal(size=(3, 1000))
r = (x ** 2).sum(axis=0) ** .5
y = x[0] / r
y.sort()
plt.plot(np.arange(len(y)), y)
plt.imsave('out.png')

[coarse hearth]

:x: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 |   File "/home/main.py", line 8, in <module>
003 |     plt.imsave('out.png')
004 | TypeError: imsave() missing 1 required positional argument: 'arr'

[proper ridge]

It definitely can save files.

[delicate wren]

!e

import numpy as np
import matplotlib.pyplot as plt
x = np.random.normal(size=(3, 1000))
r = (x ** 2).sum(axis=0) ** .5
y = x[0] / r
y.sort()
plt.plot(np.arange(len(y)), y)
plt.savefig('out.png')

[coarse hearth]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

[delicate wren]

🎉

least impressive plot

!e

import numpy as np
import matplotlib.pyplot as plt
x = np.random.normal(size=(4, 1000))
r = (x ** 2).sum(axis=0) ** .5
y = x[:2] / r
plt.scatter(*y)
plt.savefig('out.png')

[coarse hearth]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

[delicate wren]

it's constant density

[delicate wren]

this is easy-ish to understand

projecting a sphere onto a line

[delicate wren]

whereas this involves a four dimensional sphere to work

[obtuse valve]

???

sounds like .reshape()

dude i barely know complex numbers dude, im supposed to start learning them when my further maths course starts

you forgot that im really bad at mafs

[outer oriole]

So the wires are the data and the matrices are the code?

[merry sinew]

can somebody help me with a project real quick it only takes 10 minutes I need to ask if I did something wrong

[outer oriole]

Maybe try #help ?

[merry sinew]

look at dms

[delicate wren]

#❓｜how-to-get-help

[obtuse valve]

okok should i start debugging my autograd lib

i can streammmmmmm

yeah i would fix my autograd lib and call it a day i guess

[outer oriole]

... everything starts with a failing test...

FWIW, @proper ridge is laying down some solid wisdom.

[obtuse valve]

how can supporting open source earn money?

from donations?

[proper ridge]

Yeah, and also grants.

[obtuse valve]

iirc i know some projects are sponsored by companies

interesting

[proper ridge]

Yeah but the whole point of open source is to be independent. You don't wanna be under a company.

[obtuse valve]

i have 0 wisdom to give lol

eager to receive though

[proper ridge]

Everyone has wisdom. Just share your experiences.

[obtuse valve]

heheheheheh i suck at accounting lol

i took an accounting class for like a term 2 years ago

credit side never equalled debit side

tax deductible?

and exemptions??

mark to market accounting?

shitter

how to commit fraud 101 /j

[delicate wren]

in how Oxide operate, open source value doesn't come from donations; it comes from what it gives them as a business: publicity, more job candidates, contributions from external developers

[obtuse valve]

is it this project https://oxide.computer/

[delicate wren]

and all that for the company that doesn't use Microsoft/Oracle style of monetisation

[proper ridge]

Yet another package doing QMP wrong, smh:
https://github.com/SaashaJoshi/piQture

[obtuse valve]

probably some person using chadgpt for it:

[proper ridge]

Have fun performing image processing on 10 by 10 pixel images hehehe.

[obtuse valve]

(for a school project lol)

/j

[proper ridge]

No, it's just copying what's been out there for nearly 10 years now.

[obtuse valve]

that's even worse, git cloning

[delicate wren]

"you don't have to license the bios if you don't use a bios"

[proper ridge]

HEHEHE

[obtuse valve]

issue: rewrite your shit so that it's correct

[delicate wren]

AMD

[proper ridge]

It's correct, just very very very expensive.

[obtuse valve]

issue: fix skill issue lmao

[proper ridge]

This is the cycle QML guys make:

1. Do QML
2. See QML suck ass
3. Cry about it
4. Think of bottlenecks
5. Choose to work on changing QML as a whole, or giving up and moving to another thing

[obtuse valve]

this would be a solution to your cycle /s

[proper ridge]

It's not a skill issue, it's just a hard problem. Issue is people try to fix components when the whole framework is just flawed. It's like trying to replace parts without thinking of the machine as a whole.

[obtuse valve]

interesting

so moral of the story: vertically integrate everything so that you set the standards?

lol

alternately outsource the production of code etc but buy the rights for them for cheap? eg hire programmers in areas with cheap labour costs

but apple was technically aimed towards a different niche

the "pros"

yeah, i though apple was always luxury/status/lifestyle brand

[delicate wren]

quality control nightmare + subcontractors will push for higher budget instead of optimising the process

[obtuse valve]

oooooooof

||chatgpt||

completely forgot about that lol, my capitalist side took over /j

lol im typing this from m1 air lol

but i thought we were initially talking about companies @outer oriole

like we were talking initially about google being vertically integrated

and the advantages of it

[sly pond]

So whyare we talking about M chips?

[crystal aurora]

Engine. Pistons.

[sly pond]

that's such a small part of APple

[obtuse valve]

dude calm down

[sly pond]

vertical intergration works best when you have boatloads of cash

does not work for small businesses becasue it's not viable to exclusively serve yourself

[delicate wren]

buying apple products because of the processor is reasonable, and that's the success of it

[sly pond]

As a developer, I hate the M chips

when the OS only runs on their chips, which you cannot buy, you cannot hackintosh

[obtuse valve]

youre muted

nvm

[sly pond]

that's how they are killing the hackintosh

[obtuse valve]

i can hear you

say something

all good

shit my airpods are gonna die soon

they're a lifestyle company

luxury

conspicious consumption

it's like a badge of exclusivity

pcmr moment:

so public companies are bad????

google = big bad boi???

lemao dont be evil

closedai:

i mean openai

[outer oriole]

I think maybe Ford

[obtuse valve]

idk why tf my left airpods drain so fucking quickly

i use both

smfh

[sly pond]

What's the title of this book?

[elder wraith]

https://www.amazon.com/Innovators-Dilemma-Revolutionary-Change-Business/dp/0062060244

[sly pond]

Question about Kodak

[outer oriole]

Yes, when Andy Grove moved to RAM chips people thought he was the crazy

[sly pond]

did oyu say they didn't make digital cameras?

[obtuse valve]

exerpt from zero to one by peter thiel, that's what i thought about products

[elder wraith]

Kodak had invented digital camera, had some patents on it but didn't do anything with it because film

[delicate wren]

> peter thiel
well that makes it a never-read book for me

[elder wraith]

It's worth reading even if you don't implement it

[obtuse valve]

lol

[sly pond]

https://web.archive.org/web/20061206024326/http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/06_48/b4011421.htm

[outer oriole]

https://itrevolution.com/product/demings-journey-to-profound-knowledge/

In hell, the only vendor is IBM Global Services

[delicate wren]

"developers developers developers"
oh wait not that quote

[obtuse valve]

shit

you were faster than me

i was typing that shit

i heard ballmer

my brain:

[elder wraith]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundar_Pichai

[obtuse valve]

wait is it for his "developers" presentation???

or was it another one

[elder wraith]

https://ludic.mataroa.blog/blog/i-will-fucking-piledrive-you-if-you-mention-ai-again/

[obtuse valve]

r/trueoffmychest /j

[obtuse valve]

iirc theprimagen made a vid on this

i watched it this afternoon

I WATCHED IT IT WAS W TAKE

it was so fun

[delicate wren]

the only time I use copilot is on someone else's IDE when they need help/quick demo/whatever

[delicate wren]

(copilot not Copilot; I have no idea what exactly they have enabled)

[obtuse valve]

numpy lmao

once again

[delicate wren]

@sly pond
AI-based tagging?

in a way

[obtuse valve]

@delicate wren yk the stuff i said earlier today lol

moral of the story: use numpy

[delicate wren]

as for grouping:
some would call K-means AI too

[elder wraith]

It's like everyone who use Copilot says "Write Fizzbuzz" and it works great

then they give it some leetcode, it goes great

[obtuse valve]

lol

[elder wraith]

then they are like "Write this crazy CRUD app" and 💥

[delicate wren]

new leetcode problem releases:
it has no clue what to do

[obtuse valve]

is this how ultron is built lol

[delicate wren]

fancy search solutions + copy paste in case of leetcode

[obtuse valve]

startup cost:

• chadgpt subscription cost

[elder wraith]

grifters are just trying to put money from PE in their pocket

[delicate wren]

ibm acquired hashicorp

terraform

[elder wraith]

and Red Hat

[delicate wren]

and Vagrant
(idk what else hashicorp did)

[lofty merlin]

yaay

[outer oriole]

Hashi also did Packer (a handy image/package building tool) and Nomad (a much lighter alternative to k8s ) based on Consul.

[proper ridge]

https://residentevil.fandom.com/wiki/Licker_(Anderson)

[kind sky]

oh alr

[hoary citrus]

@proper ridge hi

Yes

[sly pond]

Whoa, someone's writing Python?

madness

[hoary citrus]

What are you working in?

[hoary citrus]

@proper ridge Why you have so many tabs open?

isn't this make your computer/laptop slow

[thin lintel]

@misty sinew nooooo 😭

[sterile wind]

Truue

yippee

Happy birthday, CheeseburgerFreedomLand!

https://tenor.com/view/but-heres-the-shocker-cat-gif-26697062

I'm jumping head first back into python with only gdscript experience and vague memories of python in high school to guide me.

[obtuse valve]

@thin lintel my airpods got charged

turns out i think the left slot got dirty

popcat1!!!!!

[proper ridge]

He's rapping at this point.

I asked him to slow down a bit.

[obtuse valve]

this video started my programming career

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FvSLA-Kvvs

[obtuse valve]

youre one step closer to getting the rap album

[proper ridge]

I speak a bit fast too, but if you want everyone to comprehend what you're expressing, it's best to slow down a bit.

I'm ok.

And no, not an 'merican either. Was just working late.

He's from somewhere on earth, why care which patch of earth?

[obtuse valve]

yeah i know

well use ctrl f to fix it

do you like rust/!??!?!?!?!

yayyyayazyay

[proper ridge]

Welcome Opal dear.

Gonna head out for dinner. Cya guys later.

[obtuse valve]

HAHAHAHAHHAHA

RUST

i program in fortnite!!!1!!

is the earth flat!>!!.!>?!/!11!

!lol!

[coarse hearth]

Sending images in embeds using discord.py

Thanks to discord.py, sending local files as embed images is simple. You have to create an instance of discord.File class:

# When you know the file exact path, you can pass it.
file = discord.File("/this/is/path/to/my/file.png", filename="file.png")

# When you have the file-like object, then you can pass this instead path.
with open("/this/is/path/to/my/file.png", "rb") as f:
    file = discord.File(f)

When using the file-like object, you have to open it in rb ('read binary') mode. Also, in this case, passing filename to it is not necessary.
Please note that filename must not contain underscores. This is a Discord limitation.

discord.Embed instances have a set_image method which can be used to set an attachment as an image:

embed = discord.Embed()
# Set other fields
embed.set_image(url="attachment://file.png")  # Filename here must be exactly same as attachment filename.

After this, you can send an embed with an attachment to Discord:

await channel.send(file=file, embed=embed)

This example uses discord.TextChannel for sending, but any instance of discord.abc.Messageable can be used for sending.

[obtuse valve]

wtf

!

[sly pond]

!lol

[obtuse valve]

lol!

[sly pond]

!lol!

[obtuse valve]

!lol!

[elfin breach]

!gg!

[obtuse valve]

wtf

i summoned the demons

colonise the schedule lol

!lol!

ohshit

i de-summoned the thingy

no home?

:(

no web

🕸️

dude

guess what

my first lang was js

im a traumatised soul /j

embrace the inner chaos

today's vibe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLexgOxsZu0

[stuck bluff]

@soft turtle @shy jasper 👋

[soft turtle]

oh hi! I was just leaving

[stuck bluff]

I noticed.

Don't let me detain you.

[soft turtle]

aight you're good

[obtuse valve]

THIS IS SO GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[obtuse valve]

THIS ONE

@thin lintel

[obtuse valve]

picture

[raven orbit]

ours has a yellow lid

[obtuse valve]

yeah ive seen this verision before

i take 4 a levels

and i plan to take crest award + epq

[obtuse valve]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qR4jvErGitg

[stuck bluff]

@woven vine 👋

[woven vine]

Hiii

I need help

[stuck bluff]

What's up?

[woven vine]

One minute…

[stuck bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/ppf-lol-omg-gif-21502676

[woven vine]

I don't write English very well and I can't speak on the call because of the verification

[stuck bluff]

#voice-verification