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[thin night]

ok miser mac donald

just need unmute

[proper ridge]

Do you have a coding question?

[thin night]

@proper ridgenot today bro

[delicate wren]

for the next two weeks, you can use text instead of voice for communication

[thin night]

@proper ridgewhere rus phyton community?

[mild flume]

Rust Python community?

[thin night]

AHhahaha. russian

[mild flume]

Ah that makes more sense. I don't know, actually. There must be, but I haven't had anyone mention one before

[thin night]

@mild flume
maybe you should create a Russian chat?

[proper ridge]

Why russian?

[mild flume]

We stick with English since we can really only moderate languages we know. And since most commands/functions/etc. are in English for programming, that ended up being the most reasonable option

[delicate wren]

learn English, it's useful for programming in general

[mild flume]

But if you do find a Russian Python server, please let me know! I like finding other resources I can potentially recommend to people

[delicate wren]

there is some community that can be found thorugh Discoverable Servers but it's sketchy

[mild flume]

Fair

[delicate wren]

with scam messages all over it

[mild flume]

Lame

[wintry sparrow]

How is All?

[mild flume]

Hanging in there. You?

@zenith wedge When you were mentioning wanting breakfast stuff, this came to mind: https://youtu.be/EHIHl8Rw6W8?si=YKzDl024RDYj0QNO

The Python Software Foundation

Not for profit

Actually is there a difference between not for profits and non-profits?

Or are those just two phrases for the same thing

Yep, Excel is going to have native (well relatively native) Python useage

It's.... odd

[obtuse mauve]

How to use django in python

[mild flume]

We do

We have some CPython core devs

[delicate wren]

https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/5.0/intro/tutorial01/

[mild flume]

Some are just here as individuals, we do have a few on staff

We are not run by the PSF

We're a separate entity

We have worked with them and hosted some launch parties and a code sprint

[wintry sparrow]

Scotch,Spliff & Ice

[obtuse mauve]

Is Mysql Mandatory for Web application making in python

[mild flume]

But we are not officially a part of the PSF

[wintry sparrow]

Good to hear mate, hope you well

[delicate wren]

I was also able to find some terrible Python-related Telegram channel
(the author is funny though)

[mild flume]

Not sure

[mild flume]

Terrible as in just poor quality?

[mild flume]

No, not at all

[delicate wren]

terrible as in his joke taste

[proper ridge]

I wanted to see if we were part of PSF.

Was thinking of proposing sth.

[wintry sparrow]

Scotch,Spliff&Ice

Hit the city, hit the dice

Don't forget the slice...

[proper ridge]

Could we do...a python course with some of PSF being guest speakers?

[mild flume]

@zenith wedge I used to

But I use a trackball now

[obtuse mauve]

If we use django in python , as a framework, can we use HTML and Javascript Front end in VS.Code to do coding furtheras a static page...

[mild flume]

You don't have your move your hand to move the cursor

https://www.logitech.com/en-us/products/mice/mx-ergo-wireless-trackball-mouse.html

That's the one I use

You just use your thumb to move it

[delicate wren]

you'll be dealing with HTML anyway

[mild flume]

Trackballs have been around for ages

[delicate wren]

Django does not prevent usage of JS on the frontend, although composing front-end frameworks with Django's templating is non-trivial

[mild flume]

Not only that, you don't have to have it on your desk

You can have it just sitting in your lap or wherever

[delicate wren]

often if you're building a complex enough front-end application Django will end up just handling API stuff

[obtuse mauve]

@delicate wren Python is a backend, But Html and Javascript is front end, im confused...

[mild flume]

Javascript also has engines to act as a backend

Most common one being Node.js

Front end for web is made of 3 pieces: HTML, CSS, and JavaScript

[delicate wren]

mostly

[mild flume]

HTML tells the browser what to put on screen, CSS tells it how to make it look, JS handles interaction and other stuff

@zenith wedge Your mom?

It's weird setting up a Dell machine

We've had only HP for ages

[delicate wren]

Django on its own does not provide any front-end interactivity as far as I know

[proper ridge]

Could the server become a part of this list?
https://www.python.org/psf/fiscal-sponsorees/

They're all communities dedicated to python.

[delicate wren]

there are some packages that help integrating HTMX into Django

at least allegedly

[mild flume]

We're already listed as a recognized community on their site

https://www.python.org/community/

3rd column, last row

[wintry sparrow]

Scotch,Spliff&Ice

Hit the city, hit the dice

Don't forget the slice...

Large extra small,

Can't do it in public, can't do it at all

Enough to Stumbling

Weak be crumbling

Aren't no stunting

Tryk den Kobling

Vi OG...

[mild flume]

@pseudo raven I guess I count as not normal, then

[proper ridge]

Ohh I see.

I was thinking of hosting some courses, hackathons, etc. to engage more with the community.

[mild flume]

@pseudo raven Tell that to light sleepers

[proper ridge]

Like what IBM does. They host events here and there as short courses with guest speakers, teach some stuff through code, and that's it. They've been getting their community through these.

And that's one company with one package. We'd be representing python itself, and could host events like those as domain-specific use-cases.

[mild flume]

We do Code Jams and Game Jams

[proper ridge]

Regularly?

I've never seen it?

[mild flume]

https://www.pythondiscord.com/events/

[proper ridge]

Ohh very nice.

[delicate wren]

@pseudo raven also that's why many cars now have fake engine sounds to make them louder

[mild flume]

@pseudo raven I've never heard that phrase before

[wintry sparrow]

"IF you put something on internet, it's there forever

No it's not there forever

It's there as long the computer you put it on, is turned on

If Facebook/Meta turn off their PC, it's not there anymore

So you rely on somebody else...

It's all about DNS>..

[mild flume]

That's great

[mild flume]

Better to assume that it will be there forever. Helps encourage people to not put stupid stuff or potentially dangerous stuff out there

By dangerous I mean things that would help people track or blackmail them

[wintry sparrow]

For sure

Or i don't know

Because you make people stupid

But i can understand the perspective

[mild flume]

How does that make people stupid?

That encourages people to think twice before posting things

If anything that's making them slightly wiser or at least better informed of the dangers

[wintry sparrow]

If minority is smart, then majority must be stupid, but you don't have to make people stupid

Unaware, misguided then

because it's incorrect

[mild flume]

Factually? Yes. Practically? No

You tell someone that "no, that's not actually the case", a lot of people will go "oh, then I don't have to worry"

That's counter productive if you're still trying to get them to be smarter about their online presence

[wintry sparrow]

Isn't unawareness the issue to begin with?

[mild flume]

True

But it's missing the forest for the trees

The big picture is make people be careful

[delicate wren]

yes I do

[wintry sparrow]

I can see it, i don't know

Just wanted to say it 😄

[mild flume]

Oh for sure

[delicate wren]

as for Python I've only used the built-in thing

!d unittest

[coarse hearth]

unittest

Source code: Lib/unittest/__init__.py

(If you are already familiar with the basic concepts of testing, you might want to skip to the list of assert methods.)

The unittest unit testing framework was originally inspired by JUnit and has a similar flavor as major unit testing frameworks in other languages. It supports test automation, sharing of setup and shutdown code for tests, aggregation of tests into collections, and independence of the tests from the reporting framework.

To achieve this, unittest supports some important concepts in an object-oriented way:

Similar names: pytest.unittest

[delicate wren]

it's okay

[proper ridge]

!paste

[delicate wren]

but often not enough

what was the preferred one

pytest?

[mild flume]

pytest is crazy common, too

Yep

[proper ridge]

https://paste.pythondiscord.com/ATRA

I use pytest.

[delicate wren]

test_init is wrong

[proper ridge]

Yeah, I've been trying to see how to properly test initialization.

[delicate wren]

generally you should be testing behaviours/scenarios/usecases not methods

state what you assert in the test name

(if possible)

[mild flume]

Expect test names to be long and descriptive

[delicate wren]

if you want to test __init__, check invariants (if any)

[proper ridge]

I mean we define how the object behaves by testing if the methods that manipulate it are working properly.

[delicate wren]

if your __init__ just assigns data, there isn't really anything to test

[proper ridge]

So, I just want it to see if it raises an error when creating an instance.

[delicate wren]

if __init__ does conversion and/or validation, test those specific things not initialisation in general

[proper ridge]

It shouldn't raise an error.

[proper ridge]

Yeah I'm testing those individually.

[mild flume]

Then you're covered

[delicate wren]

it can

test when it does

and when it doesn't

[proper ridge]

Could you kindly have a look at how I've written the testers? Is it terrible or does it have some chance of redemption hehe.

[proper ridge]

Yeah been adding fail cases into my testers.

[delicate wren]

what you're testing there isn't "can initialise an object"
what you're testing there is "can initialise an object given non-numpy list"

[mild flume]

I need to get a small dock for these laptops that I can use to plug in ethernet

[delicate wren]

so you're testing the conversion

[mild flume]

Drives me bonkers that laptops don't have that port anymore

[delicate wren]

which can (and will) at times fail

[mild flume]

And the wifi connection here is so friggin' bad where I'm at

[proper ridge]

Which tester are you referring to?

[mild flume]

I'm the furthest away from our access point in the office as i could be

And I'd rather not have to tether my phone

[delicate wren]

example: give it the wrong type

Data("abc") is expected to raise an exception

no assertions after .pad()?
https://paste.pythondiscord.com/ATRA#2L88-L111

[mild flume]

Wait does pytest do type checking?

I wouldn't think so

[delicate wren]

I'd hope not

[proper ridge]

No.

Unless you add errors like I am manually doing.

[mild flume]

Fair

[proper ridge]

A bit of a defensive coding which Mr. Nedbat said not to do, but I think this one is justified?

Still a bit hard to distinguish fool-proof vs defensive.

[delicate wren]

sounds like check_padding should be called there

[mild flume]

Remember "Python is a language for conscenting adults". There's only so much protecting you can do/should need to do for the users of your library. If they aren't reading your docs and handling the types properly, that's partly on them

Over checking can affect performance

[delicate wren]

neither of Datas, that .pad() was called on, have any assertions afterwards

missing assert matrix.padded seems like

wait

oh

[mild flume]

assert deez_nutz

[delicate wren]

yeah, just call it again

after second

yeah, assert that it doesn't break it

@proper ridge
does .pad() on padded keep the data as is?

then make a copy of data

and compare afterwards

for exact equality

coverage isn't good enough metric

tests still need to make sense

while you're doing that you might also define .__eq__ and .copy for Data if not defined yet

[mild flume]

This laptop dropping WIFI is going to get reeeaaaally old reeeeaaallly fast

[delicate wren]

it's okay but it's not the only thing that tests should be aiming for

# how to split these -- that's a separate question
assert Data([1, 2, 3]) == Data([1, 2, 3])
assert Data([1, 2, 3]) != Data([1, 2, 4])

original = Data([1, 2, 3])
assert original.copy() == Data([1, 2, 3])
assert original == Data([1, 2, 3])

depends

[low jetty]

whats the point of vector calcs?

[proper ridge]

AI/ML, data representation, Quantum Computing

[low jetty]

class Vector {
    // Constructor method to initialize the vector components
    constructor(x, y) {
        this.x = x;
        this.y = y;
    }

    // Method to add another vector to the current vector
    add(v) {
        return new Vector(this.x + v.x, this.y + v.y);
    }

    // Method to subtract another vector from the current vector
    subtract(v) {
        return new Vector(this.x - v.x, this.y - v.y);
    }

    // Method to multiply the vector by a scalar value
    multiply(scalar) {
        return new Vector(this.x * scalar, this.y * scalar);
    }

    // Method to calculate the dot product with another vector
    dot(v) {
        return this.x * v.x + this.y * v.y;
    }

    // Method to calculate the magnitude (length) of the vector
    magnitude() {
        return Math.sqrt(this.x * this.x + this.y * this.y);
    }

    // Method to normalize the vector (make its magnitude 1)
    normalize() {
        const mag = this.magnitude(); // Get the magnitude of the vector
        return new Vector(this.x / mag, this.y / mag); // Divide each component by the magnitude
    }
}```
like why did i make this class to do my math for me, i feel like its extra work

[proper ridge]

It's good practice.

[delicate wren]

def test_copy_leaves_original_intact():
    original = Data([1, 2, 3])
    original.copy().normalise()
    assert original == Data([1, 2, 3])

[low jetty]

and i barely end up using it for its intended purpose

[delicate wren]

thing

I bought one because my laptop has very little in terms of ports too

only a single USB Type-A

[low jetty]

thats why i have a tower, i have like 6 usba 3 ports and then a pcie card which gives me 4 more

[ornate knot]

guys

[low jetty]

yes?

[delicate wren]

on the new computer I have 9 Type-A ports, of which I use 0

[ornate knot]

any clue on how to setup poetry + django ?

[delicate wren]

I'd expect it to be not that different from other poetry projects

is there a specific issue?

[low jetty]

i use vr, and vr takes up 8 ports which only leaves 2 usbA ports for my computer(sad moment) but luckily i have two usb-c ports for other things

[ornate knot]

basically the structure. Im trying to follow the Django Tutorial. Using its CLI it will set up a structure for you, but then if you try to follow with poetry the structure starts to mess up quickly

[delicate wren]

there is some random blog post which explains just that
https://builtwithdjango.com/blog/basic-django-setup
I haven't checked it for myself, but that's something I'd probably use for guidance

they do poetry stuff first, and only then run django-admin startproject via poetry

[ornate knot]

okay it seems promising, ty Alisa!

[delicate wren]

@proper ridge class is more common

with test-class-per-code-class, since ideally classes should be usable (and therefore testable) in isolation

which isn't always the case

[low jetty]

@delicate wren look i got it to work

[delicate wren]

sometimes there may be a test scope that involves multiple classes, modules, etc.

[delicate wren]

with the difference being poetry run django-admin.py startproject project_name . (. there says to start in an existing directory, if I understand correctly)

does pytest allow inline tests? (inline with the rest of the code)

from what I remember seeing with both Python and C# testing, they have tests as some outside module/package

[ornate knot]

@delicate wren Do u use Poetry in your daily basis by any mean?

[delicate wren]

no

I've stopped working on Python projects as seriously around the time setup.py officially died, iirc

or not "died" just got labelled as non-preferred

direct use of setup.py and distutils are deprecated though

whereas in 2020~2021 distutils was okay-ish for doing C dependency compilation afair

https://packaging.python.org/en/latest/discussions/setup-py-deprecated/

where embed

(the title of the page has a question mark at the end, which is not reflected in the URL)

the latest Python project, that I work on and which is considerably serious, does not involve me using poetry or whatever else because there aren't really any pypi dependencies to manage there

with this being the only mention of versions on Python's side

[build-system]
requires = ["maturin>=1.0,<2.0"]
build-backend = "maturin"

poetry seems useful for poetry.lock

but now there are other project/dependency management tools that have lock files too

pipenv does, pdm does

rye too

I don't remember which others exist

[ornate knot]

django_tutorial/
├── db.sqlite3
├── django_tutorial
│   ├── __init__.py
│   ├── __pycache__
│   │   ├── __init__.cpython-312.pyc
│   │   ├── settings.cpython-312.pyc
│   │   ├── urls.cpython-312.pyc
│   │   └── wsgi.cpython-312.pyc
│   ├── asgi.py
│   ├── settings.py
│   ├── urls.py
│   └── wsgi.py
├── manage.py
├── poetry.lock
└── pyproject.toml

does this structure look okay?

[delicate wren]

yes (if it runs)

[ornate knot]

it does, im willing to change the most inner django_tutorial folder into src/

that should keep working and should look nice and clean right?

[delicate wren]

depends

for importable packages, there still needs to be a directory named the same as the package because of how Python imports work

but here it should be okay

since you're not making the package for external consumption

[ornate knot]

hum I see, then, maybe this should be better

[delicate wren]

manage.py and pyproject.toml might be mentioning the directory by name

.gitignore is missing (if you plan on using Git, Python almost always needs a .gitignore because of __pycache__)

[ornate knot]

im trying to figure this out

[delicate wren]

wait that one wasn't official

hmm

there is Python gitignore file somewhere

https://github.com/github/gitignore/blob/main/Python.gitignore

idk if Django officially provides one for project templates

https://github.com/github/gitignore/blob/main/Python.gitignore#L58-L62

[coarse hearth]

Python.gitignore lines 58 to 62

# Django stuff:
*.log
local_settings.py
db.sqlite3
db.sqlite3-journal```

[delicate wren]

ig the generic Python one is fine since it includes Django-related parts

[ornate knot]

├── pyproject.toml
└── src
    ├── manage.py
    └── mysite
        ├── __init__.py
        ├── asgi.py
        ├── settings.py
        ├── urls.py
        └── wsgi.py```

this looks nice and clean right?

[delicate wren]

should work

[ornate knot]

do I get this gitignore?

[delicate wren]

IDEs sometimes need to be pointed-to src directory for recognising imports

[delicate wren]

it covers most of Python usecases

[ornate knot]

well it should be okay for now

thanks for the guidance Alisa

[delicate wren]

@proper ridge where is call to isinstance?

@proper ridge did you reload the import?

hmm

error messages take source from file not in-memory buffer, iirc

can you restart the kernel?

@proper ridge you can't check is something is an instance of, for example, list[int], only list

!e

isinstance([], list[int])

[coarse hearth]

:x: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 |   File "/home/main.py", line 1, in <module>
003 |     isinstance([], list[int])
004 | TypeError: isinstance() argument 2 cannot be a parameterized generic

[delicate wren]

you have a []d thing inside the union

in that type alias

how is it defined, again?

you need to do isinstance(thing, Collection)

[proper ridge]

from __future__ import annotations

__all__ = ["Collection"]

from typing import (Iterator, overload, Protocol, TypeVar,
                    TypeAlias, Self, runtime_checkable)


T = TypeVar("T")

@runtime_checkable
class Collection(Protocol[T]):
  def __len__(self) -> int:
    ...
  def __iter__(self) -> Iterator[T]:
    ...
  @overload
  def __getitem__(self, idx: int) -> T:
    ...
  @overload
  def __getitem__(self, idx: slice) -> Self:
    ...
  @overload
  def __setitem__(self, idx: int, value: T) -> None:
    ...
  @overload
  def __setitem__(self, idx: slice, value: Self) -> None:
    ...
  def __add__(self, other: Self) -> Self:
    ...
  def __mul__(self, other: int) -> Self:
    ...


# `NestedCollection` is a type alias that represents a collection of elements
# of type T or a collection of collections of elements of type T.
NestedCollection: TypeAlias = Collection[T] | Collection["NestedCollection[T]"]

[delicate wren]

!e

isinstance([], list | set)

[coarse hearth]

:warning: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

[No output]

[delicate wren]

hmm

surprising

!e

print(isinstance([], list | set))

[coarse hearth]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

True

[delicate wren]

(I didn't know unions are supported)

[delicate wren]

NestedCollection[Something] also isn't entirely from how I understand how Python works

[proper ridge]

!e

print(isinstance("a"), int | float)
print(isinstance("a"), int | float | str)

[coarse hearth]

:x: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 |   File "/home/main.py", line 1, in <module>
003 |     print(isinstance("a"), int | float)
004 |           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
005 | TypeError: isinstance expected 2 arguments, got 1

[delicate wren]

-> Self on __getitem__ is wrong

it needs to return Collection[T] not Self

!e

from __future__ import annotations
__all__ = ["Collection"]
from typing import Iterator, overload, Protocol, TypeVar, TypeAlias, Self, runtime_checkable
T = TypeVar("T")
@runtime_checkable
class Collection(Protocol[T]):
  def __len__(self) -> int: ...
  def __iter__(self) -> Iterator[T]: ...
  @overload
  def __getitem__(self, idx: int) -> T: ...
  @overload
  def __getitem__(self, idx: slice) -> Self: ...
  @overload
  def __setitem__(self, idx: int, value: T) -> None: ...
  @overload
  def __setitem__(self, idx: slice, value: Self) -> None: ...
  def __add__(self, other: Self) -> Self: ...
  def __mul__(self, other: int) -> Self: ...
NestedCollection: TypeAlias = Collection[T] | Collection["NestedCollection[T]"]
print(NestedCollection)
print(NestedCollection[int])

[coarse hearth]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | typing.Union[__main__.Collection[~T], __main__.Collection[ForwardRef('NestedCollection[T]')]]
002 | typing.Union[__main__.Collection[int], __main__.Collection[ForwardRef('NestedCollection[T]')]]

[delicate wren]

^ another reason why it's wrong

!e

from __future__ import annotations
__all__ = ["Collection"]
from typing import Iterator, overload, Protocol, TypeVar, TypeAlias, Self, runtime_checkable
T = TypeVar("T")
@runtime_checkable
class Collection(Protocol[T]):
  def __len__(self) -> int: ...
  def __iter__(self) -> Iterator[T]: ...
  @overload
  def __getitem__(self, idx: int) -> T: ...
  @overload
  def __getitem__(self, idx: slice) -> Self: ...
  @overload
  def __setitem__(self, idx: int, value: T) -> None: ...
  @overload
  def __setitem__(self, idx: slice, value: Self) -> None: ...
  def __add__(self, other: Self) -> Self: ...
  def __mul__(self, other: int) -> Self: ...
type NestedCollection[U] = Collection[U] | Collection[NestedCollection[U]]
print(NestedCollection)
print(NestedCollection[int])

[coarse hearth]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | NestedCollection
002 | NestedCollection[int]

[delicate wren]

^ only 3.12

it will fail

[ornate knot]

well, ce you guys, take care!

[delicate wren]

type alias syntax was added in 3.12

[delicate wren]

thought it might work

time to test

!e

from __future__ import annotations
__all__ = ["Collection"]
from typing import Iterator, overload, Protocol, TypeVar, TypeAlias, Self, runtime_checkable
T = TypeVar("T")
@runtime_checkable
class Collection(Protocol[T]):
  def __len__(self) -> int: ...
  def __iter__(self) -> Iterator[T]: ...
  @overload
  def __getitem__(self, idx: int) -> T: ...
  @overload
  def __getitem__(self, idx: slice) -> Self: ...
  @overload
  def __setitem__(self, idx: int, value: T) -> None: ...
  @overload
  def __setitem__(self, idx: slice, value: Self) -> None: ...
  def __add__(self, other: Self) -> Self: ...
  def __mul__(self, other: int) -> Self: ...
NestedCollection: TypeAlias = Collection[T] | Collection[list[T]] # changed to list as an experiment
print(NestedCollection)
print(NestedCollection[int])

[coarse hearth]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | typing.Union[__main__.Collection[~T], __main__.Collection[list[~T]]]
002 | typing.Union[__main__.Collection[int], __main__.Collection[list[int]]]

[delicate wren]

hmm

so it does propagate

Python turns out to be smarter than expected

!d typing.TypeAlias

[coarse hearth]

typing.TypeAlias

typing.TypeAlias```
Special annotation for explicitly declaring a [type alias](https://docs.python.org/3/library/typing.html#type-aliases).

For example:

```py
from typing import TypeAlias

Factors: TypeAlias = list[int]
```  `TypeAlias` is particularly useful on older Python versions for annotating aliases that make use of forward references, as it can be hard for type checkers to distinguish these from normal variable assignments:

[delicate wren]

ig it takes all the TypeVars from types it has mentioned inside

!e

from __future__ import annotations
from typing import TypeVar, TypeAlias
T = TypeVar("T")
U = TypeVar("U")
Test: TypeAlias = tuple[T, U] | tuple[U, T]
print(Test)
print(Test[int, str])
print(Test[int])

[coarse hearth]

:x: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 | tuple[~T, ~U] | tuple[~U, ~T]
002 | tuple[int, str] | tuple[str, int]
003 | Traceback (most recent call last):
004 |   File "/home/main.py", line 8, in <module>
005 |     print(Test[int])
006 |           ~~~~^^^^^
007 | TypeError: Too few arguments for tuple[~T, ~U] | tuple[~U, ~T]; actual 1, expected 2

[delicate wren]

how does it pick the order

!e

from __future__ import annotations
from typing import TypeVar, TypeAlias
U = TypeVar("U")
T = TypeVar("T")
Test: TypeAlias = tuple[T, U] | tuple[U, T]
print(Test)
print(Test[int, str])
print(Test[int])

[coarse hearth]

:x: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 | tuple[~T, ~U] | tuple[~U, ~T]
002 | tuple[int, str] | tuple[str, int]
003 | Traceback (most recent call last):
004 |   File "/home/main.py", line 8, in <module>
005 |     print(Test[int])
006 |           ~~~~^^^^^
007 | TypeError: Too few arguments for tuple[~T, ~U] | tuple[~U, ~T]; actual 1, expected 2

[delicate wren]

order is entirely inferred from inside of the alias

!e

from __future__ import annotations
from typing import TypeVar, TypeAlias
T = TypeVar("T")
U = TypeVar("U")
Test: TypeAlias = tuple[U, T] | tuple[T, U]
print(Test)
print(Test[int, str])
print(Test[int])

[coarse hearth]

:x: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 | tuple[~U, ~T] | tuple[~T, ~U]
002 | tuple[int, str] | tuple[str, int]
003 | Traceback (most recent call last):
004 |   File "/home/main.py", line 8, in <module>
005 |     print(Test[int])
006 |           ~~~~^^^^^
007 | TypeError: Too few arguments for tuple[~U, ~T] | tuple[~T, ~U]; actual 1, expected 2

[delicate wren]

hmm

order is still the same

!e

from __future__ import annotations
from typing import TypeVar, TypeAlias
T = TypeVar("T")
A = TypeVar("A")
Test: TypeAlias = tuple[T, A] | tuple[A, T]
print(Test)
print(Test[int, str])
print(Test[int])

[coarse hearth]

:x: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 | tuple[~T, ~A] | tuple[~A, ~T]
002 | tuple[int, str] | tuple[str, int]
003 | Traceback (most recent call last):
004 |   File "/home/main.py", line 8, in <module>
005 |     print(Test[int])
006 |           ~~~~^^^^^
007 | TypeError: Too few arguments for tuple[~T, ~A] | tuple[~A, ~T]; actual 1, expected 2

[proper ridge]

!e

from __future__ import annotations
from typing import TypeVar, TypeAlias
T = TypeVar("T")
A = TypeVar("A")
Test: TypeAlias = tuple[T, A] | tuple[A, T]
print(Test)
print(Test[int, str])
print(Test[str, int])

[coarse hearth]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | tuple[~T, ~A] | tuple[~A, ~T]
002 | tuple[int, str] | tuple[str, int]
003 | tuple[str, int] | tuple[int, str]

[delicate wren]

I have the third print for a different thing

[delicate wren]

so this one actually answers how it works

it just fills in in the order that the thing on the right has them

order does matter

!e

from __future__ import annotations
from typing import TypeVar, TypeAlias
A = TypeVar("A")
B = TypeVar("B")
C = TypeVar("C")
Test: TypeAlias = tuple[B, C] | A
print(Test[A, B, C])

[coarse hearth]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

typing.Union[tuple[~A, ~B], ~C]

[delicate wren]

so type alias there can't have types partially filled in

[proper ridge]

yep.

[delicate wren]

!e

from typing import *
A = TypeVar("A")
type Partial[B] = A | B
print(Partial)
print(Partial[int])
print(Partial[int, str])

[coarse hearth]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | Partial
002 | Partial[int]
003 | Partial[int, str]

[delicate wren]

!e

from typing import *
A = TypeVar("A")
type Partial[B] = A | B
print(Partial)
print(Partial[int])
print(Partial[int, str, bool])

[coarse hearth]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | Partial
002 | Partial[int]
003 | Partial[int, str, bool]

[delicate wren]

this doesn't sound right

!e

type Partial[T] = int
print(Partial)
print(Partial[int])
print(Partial[int, str, bool])

[coarse hearth]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | Partial
002 | Partial[int]
003 | Partial[int, str, bool]

[delicate wren]

this is not right at all

!e

type Partial[T] = bool
print(isinstance(0, Partial[int]))

[coarse hearth]

:x: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 |   File "/home/main.py", line 2, in <module>
003 |     print(isinstance(0, Partial[int]))
004 |           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
005 | TypeError: isinstance() argument 2 cannot be a parameterized generic

[delicate wren]

!e

type Partial[T] = bool
print(isinstance(0, Partial))

[coarse hearth]

:x: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 |   File "/home/main.py", line 2, in <module>
003 |     print(isinstance(0, Partial))
004 |           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
005 | TypeError: isinstance() arg 2 must be a type, a tuple of types, or a union

[delicate wren]

okay so it's just not a type

and Python has no clue what type aliases actually resovle to

I need an actual language server to test this

Pyright/Pylance

[hearty heath]

Hey

Just joined

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[delicate wren]

@proper ridge type statement defines T

[hearty heath]

type statements are just for type aliases

[delicate wren]

they are quite different

[hearty heath]

You can give an alias type parameters, but any type parameters on the RHS have the be on the LHS

[delicate wren]

for LSPs they might be same, but for the language they're different

I broke Pylance I think

this type alias makes no sense but Pylance doesn't catch it

it just goes "this is not generic"

this is perfectly fine:

[hearty heath]

It's a recursive type alias

Like imagine you needed to create a type alias for "things that can be converted to JSON" ```py
type JSONable = bool | None | int | float | str | list[JSONable] | dict[str, JSONable]

[delicate wren]

passes strict type checking

[hearty heath]

Oh right

[delicate wren]

afaik Rust will not allow this

type to test

[hearty heath]

I'm actually not sure I understand the semantics of this

But yeah you can add whatever type parameters you want on the left hand side. This was syntax added in 3.12 I think?

[delicate wren]

only allows stuff like [[[[]]], [[[], []]]]

I think

hmm

[hearty heath]

@proper ridge Are you familiar with the new syntax for adding type parameters to functions and classes? E.g. ```py
def foo[T](xs: list[T]) -> T:
return xs[0]

Right, I'll find the relevant docs...

[low jetty]

https://open.spotify.com/track/6lR6VBmCIm7gZwE4msLdb9?si=c4a4c0f417e94d9b

[hearty heath]

It's a way of constraining the relationship between the different types of the function signature.

[delicate wren]

this is basically list[list[list[...]]]

that includes [[], [[]]]

[hearty heath]

Oh. That's just syntax that was added in python 3.12

[delicate wren]

T = TypeVar("T")

def foo(xs: list[T]) -> T:
    return xs[0]

same one

[hearty heath]

https://docs.python.org/3/whatsnew/3.12.html#whatsnew312-pep695

[delicate wren]

[T] on function is just a different way to define TypeVar

[hearty heath]

It's equivalent (roughly) to what AF wrote

[delicate wren]

it should be equivalent type-wise because T is invariant

[hearty heath]

It's a bit of syntactic sugar mostly.

[delicate wren]

more correct:

T = TypeVar("T", infer_variance=True)

def foo(xs: list[T]) -> T:
    return xs[0]

[hearty heath]

This is a longer document about it: https://peps.python.org/pep-0695/

With rational etc.

[delicate wren]

!e

def foo[T](xs: list[T]) -> T:
    print(T)

foo([])

[coarse hearth]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

T

[delicate wren]

!e

def foo[T](xs: list[T]):
    print(T)

foo([])

[coarse hearth]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

T

[delicate wren]

hmm

there is ~T for TypeVars

doesn't print the same for new generics

[hearty heath]

Covariant, invariant, and contravariant have a technical meaning when talking about type parameters @proper ridge

There's a nice explaination in one of the PEPs

Or I could explain it if you like? 😄

[delicate wren]

~~```py
def covariant[T](x: T): ...
def contravariantT -> T: ...
def invariant[T](x: T) -> T: ...
def whatT: ...

there is a term for the fourth one but I don't remember it

[hearty heath]

Actually, this might be a good explaination: https://realpython.com/python-type-checking/#covariant-contravariant-and-invariant

[delicate wren]

this might be wrong

I forgot

yeah, what I wrote doesn't really make sense

[hearty heath]

Essentially, a generic type G[T] is covariant with respect to its type parameter T if: A being a subtype of B implies thatG[A] is a subtype of G[B].

[delicate wren]

this is closer to reality

def contravariant[T](x: T): ...
def covariant[T]() -> T: ...
def invariant[T](x: T) -> T: ...
def what[T](): ...

if those are methods on SomeType[T]

(self omitted)

Sequence[T] is covariant over T

MutableSequence[T] is invariant over T

[hearty heath]

So like, in python, bool is a subtype of int, so the type tuple[bool, ...] is a subtype of tuple[int, ...], because tuple is covariant. I.e. you can pass the former wherever the latter is expected.

[delicate wren]

Callable[[T], None] is contravariant over T

Sequence[bool] is Sequence[int]

Callable[[int], None] is Callable[[bool], None]

yes, contravariance flips subtyping

or, merged together:
Callable[[int], bool] is Callable[[bool], int]

exclusively owned list is covariant

[hearty heath]

list is not covariant because it's mutable. You can't in general pass a list[A] where a list[B] is expected, even if A is a subtype of B, because you can mutate list[B] in ways that you wouldn't be able to do to list[A] (i.e. you can append a B to a list of B but not to a list of A)

[delicate wren]

which Python can't guaranteee

[hearty heath]

Yeah I think that's what you just said/read actually 😄

Not quite

Contravariant means if A is a subtype of B, then G[B] is a subtype of G[A].

This I think is only mostly the case when dealing with higher order functions.

[delicate wren]

class Contravariant[T]:
    def push(self, item: T): ...

x: Contravariant[int] = ...
x.push(1)
x.push(True)
y: Contravariant[bool] = x
y.push(True)

[hearty heath]

Like, imagine a function expects be be given another function that operates on Bs As. You could instead pass it a function that operates on As Bs.

[delicate wren]

unlike Python, in Rust Vec<T> and &Vec<T> are covariant over T but, like Python, &mut Vec<T> is invariant over T

[hearty heath]

Sorry, wait, I think I've got that mixed up

Let me make an example instead.

[delicate wren]

class Contravariant[T]:
    def push(self, item: T): ...

def test_int(contra: Contravariant[int]):
    x.push(1)

def test_bool(contra: Contravariant[bool]):
    x.push(True)

x: Contravariant[int] = ...
test_int(x)
test_bool(x)

you can .push bools because they're ints

if it can accept int, it can accept bool

therefore all things that accept ints can accept bools

whereas something that only accepts bools can't accept ints

all bools are ints in Python

[hearty heath]

def silly_function(
    fn: Callable[[bool], Any],
    x: bool,
) -> Any:
    return fn[x]

def negate(x: bool) -> bool:
    return not x

def addone(x: int) -> int:
    return x + 1

silly_function(negate, true)
silly_function(addone, true) 

[delicate wren]

2 can't be interpreted as bool

[delicate wren]

this is the issue

[hearty heath]

Callable is contravariant w.r.t. the types of the arguments (I think).

[delicate wren]

yes

[hearty heath]

I.e. it's ok to pass a Callable[[int], Any] where a Callable[[bool], Any] is expected.

Because whatever you can do with the latter you can do with the former.

It's contravariant.

Imagine I'm a function

The contract I have with the caller of the function is that they will pass a function fn that I can apply to bools

If they pass me a function I can apply to ints, I'm fine with that, because bools are ints

Nah, because say, as the function, I try to do fn(123).

I couldn't do that if fn is Callable[[bool], Any]

Because 123 is not a bool

[delicate wren]

does new generic syntax allow specifying variance? (I think I remember seeing it somewhere)

[hearty heath]

I don't think so, I think it's inferred

[delicate wren]

it does have bounds and constraint syntax

https://peps.python.org/pep-0695/#explicit-variance

(answer is no)

[hearty heath]

If I'm a function, and I'm being passed a function, all I care about is "what can I do with this function?". I don't mind if the function I was given accepts a broader range of arguments than I intend to give it. @proper ridge

[delicate wren]

useful table
https://peps.python.org/pep-0695/#summary

[hearty heath]

If that makes sense 😄

[delicate wren]

a bit incorrect about Rust: it does have variance and it is inferred

[hearty heath]

Because Callable[[int], Any] can be used wherever Callable[[bool], Any] can be used. The former accepts the same set of argument values as the latter (and more!)

[rotund bough]

why is so much programming related to toilet jargon? passing args, streams, flushing, code smell ..

[hearty heath]

I mean it can be passed whatever argument the latter can be.

So if I asked for a Callable[[bool], Any] and instead I'm given a Callable[[int], Any], I don't mind. I got more than I bargained for.

Sorry, I tend to understand better by giving personalities to things 😄

[hearty heath]

In git, the front end is called porcelain and the backend is called plumbing. Which maybe is some kind of statement about the quality of the code passing through that system.

Oh yeah

Erm yeah so contravariant means: A < B implies G[B] < G[A], where < means "is a subtype of".

Covariant means: A < B implies G[A] < G[B]

And invariant means nothing is guaranteed.

The mutability is the weird part. Like when I learned that list is invariant it surprised me, but it makes sense if you think about it and look at a few examples.

[rotund bough]

i'm going to start using that in my work... "all analysis based on data in this report is invariant"

[hearty heath]

@worn canopy Can't really hear you

Sounds like a bad microphone connection

Ah

👍

Gotta go 👋 Back in a bit

[low jetty]

is this a decent download sped?

[delicate wren]

yes, anything >100mbps is relatively good network-wise; and around 200~600 mbps is where it starts hitting CPU and HDD limits, from what I've seen

[mild flume]

I'll try to be back on later. Got a whole crap ton of things dropped on me

[misty sinew]

it kinda

sucks that I need

to wait 3d and send

50 msgs to be abe

to talk on vc

44 msgs to go ig

[rotund bough]

sup

ur employer said this mf goin on vacay let's get all of the year's work from him today

you'll play only one

hell divers

workaholic

[mild flume]

@misty sinew Yo

[rotund bough]

use wired conn like a real IT person

every IT guy knows wired > wifi

your fault for buying featureless laptops

[hearty heath]

Heyy

Working late again?

Ah right nice

Yeah, trying to force yourself to sleep never works 😄

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Ah yes, brick 🧱

Errm, I've spoken like once here I think

I'm a bit microphone shy 😄

plome?

Ohh

Right yeah

Like a self-describing word

But I can't remember the word for that

Oh I was thinking "autological"

Nominative determinism

[winged steppe]

Anyone used streamlit before

[sly pond]

I too love words

I don't have one

[rotund bough]

urban dictionary

[sly pond]

I don't put my faith in one source

love me some etymology, wherever it may be from

[winged steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-cat-dance-cat-cat-meme-chinese-cat-gif-12629347036627000898

[hearty heath]

Word of the day on Wiktionary is "bisexual lighting"

[winged steppe]

trace this

[rotund bough]

i use https://www.etymonline.com/

pretty sure lighting doesn't have a sexual orientation attr

[hearty heath]

Yeah 😄

I'm sure this is not a word

but ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sly pond]

It's similar to "mexican lighting" from breaking bad

[chilly rock]

[sly pond]

but for bisexual purposes

Showered in golden light

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_hour_(photography)

[hearty heath]

Very nice

[sly pond]

A beautiful effect, not dreary, IMO

Yea, birthdays stop mattering after a while

the first few decades are fun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvPyhEB0p_Y

I just listen to this song

Boo @ the failed embed

it was blocked by the uploader for reasons

so I removed it

play it

[hearty heath]

Yeah

[sly pond]

It doesn't

so no point in all that space

gotta go there to watch

[hearty heath]

Mhm

[sly pond]

Then you installed a Russian keyboard, right?

gotta protect against the malware

[hearty heath]

Oh yeah, I think capitalisation differs between languages

[sly pond]

https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/05/try-this-one-weird-trick-russian-hackers-hate/

[hearty heath]

I know in Italian they would say 'inglese' not 'Inglese' for example

[sly pond]

https://blog.miguelgrinberg.com/post/the-flask-mega-tutorial-part-i-hello-world

https://www.djangoproject.com/start/

https://fastapi.tiangolo.com/tutorial/first-steps/

@hoary tide ^^^

[hearty heath]

Many words that are capitalized in English are not capitalized in Italian. These include: the days of the week, the months of the year, proper adjectives, a few proper nouns, and titles such as Mr., Mrs., and Miss.

[sly pond]

Happy Holidays!

[chilly rock]

umm....

so I can help with that a little...

and yes its pytorch

let me go find the website... it hugging something...

[hearty heath]

Terminator 2 is good

I haven't seen 1

[hoary tide]

Ty

[hearty heath]

He plays a robot though

[hoary tide]

ya its the best one

[hearty heath]

Nah, James Cameron

[hoary tide]

Yall just forget about the dark knight

[chilly rock]

What is S-mode?

There is a lightweight version!?

I want that on my phone lol

for reading emails.

^only for reading emails specifically

[hearty heath]

Nice

I generally can't start on work until there's some urgency

[misty sinew]

same

[hearty heath]

It is friday

Ah yeah

[rotund bough]

it's friday + 1

[mild flume]

friday++

[hearty heath]

Sounds similar to the post office scandal here

[misty sinew]

sleep tight peep's

[hearty heath]

Cya 👋

[rotund bough]

++friday is faster

[hearty heath]

Lovely singing hemlock 😄

Apparently he's doing better with undecided voters after the debate 🤷‍♂️

No I mean Biden is doing better sorry

[rotund bough]

let's make a bot to influence the elections

[hearty heath]

Oh ok so a different news source says the opposite lol

Yeah

[rotund bough]

what is polling

via sampling?

just take a biased sample

produce false prediction.. influence outcome

[sly pond]

did someone say rappa?

[chilly rock]

They do... but its unsupported. Youc an request it for testing purpose for windows

[mild flume]

Neat, I legit wasn't aware

[sly pond]

https://www.cpf.navy.mil/Newsroom/News/Article/3784611/netherlands-us-naval-forces-conduct-south-china-sea-operations/

https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml

[hearty heath]

Alright let's not do personal attacks

Yeah, let's move on

[chilly rock]

I think there are many awesome resources of lists out there... but generally with AI it really depends on what your application. What hugging face is a example list of AI models that easier to search than GitHub. Developed and maintained by AI researchers so they can have heated AI discussions. Lets talk about popular AI to understand why why this is a useful link:
https://huggingface.co/
Rambling explanation about AIs (part 1 of 2):

1. Pytorch is best because its a broad for complex AI that are based on video and unstructured data. True AI and mostly under this umbrella because pytorch supports non-python AI models.
2. Google's Tensorflow and Google's Vertix-AI: Tensorflow 2 is generally for text mining and text unstructured data, photo image recognition models, and very unclean structured datasets. The problem with tensorflow is most of the awesome stuff was in tensorflow 1. With tensorflow 2, they added BERT, but stripped out most of the controls for trying to "understand your AI" (Don't get me on Google Rant). Now Vertix-AI is Google quick platform to beat Chat-GPT and is """Tensorflow version 3 devOps IDE"""
3. Chat-GPT and Microsoft's AI: Let's not kid ourselves--Microsoft owns Chat-GPT. Chat-GPT trained on all of Microsoft's data. Azure ML Studio and Azure's pythonsdk are that """devOps IDE""" of Microsoft AI called Co-pilot.
4. Facebook's AI: Facebook's prophet has the best for forecasting of any AI model (with only the R-package called modeltime beating it on tests of predicting bitcoin prices). Facebook has an new AI similar to CHAT-GPT called LLaMa2.

Rambling explantion about AIs (part 2 of 2): Overwhelmed? Good. Those are just the popular AIs that for all the same problems sets. On ResearchGate... there are over 1000+ organizations with at least 5 AI models all actively doing AI . (THE POINT) .... AI has a huge problem ... Across any industry not only are the packages not standardized anymore both the IDE developing platform is not standard.

Huggingface (like paper's with code) is the solution to that problem. Its a way of sharing the models and standardizing results. So its great as a starting point for AI applications.

[hoary tide]

I would like to work a small ChatGdt Ai by using python

[chilly rock]

to do?

[hoary tide]

Ya and my uncle planing for it but he told me u need a good tool for that lol

[chilly rock]

If its making an AI to talk with there is a better website... than ChatGPT.... the fanfition discords kind of went crazy with ChatGPT.

[hoary tide]

I can make an app for it

Lol

[chilly rock]

where do youi the Gamer US presidents came from lol... fanfiction. Alot of fanfiction writers.

[hoary tide]

Hm?

wydm xd

[chilly rock]

Google US presdient play gatch games.

[chilly rock]

https://character.ai/chat/7Nlj1NdBqpt4zMC5nq-aHr9MTe9kIwJEt0EtRPWfYvM dont' ask it python question its not accurate.

[hoary tide]

[chilly rock]

yep now if you look on fanfiction . net for Guido van Rossum you will find there are tons of fanfics where he is like the Bill Gates cameo appearance.

[chilly rock]

so seriously find out what you uncle wants to do with AI.

[chilly rock]

cute dog!

[chilly rock]

in the mean time here: https://huggingface.co/spaces?sort=trending&search=chatgpt

[hearty heath]

@mild flume Have a nice weekend dude 👋

[sly pond]

https://medlineplus.gov/druginfo/meds/a607054.html

[hoary tide]

What is space

[woven pulsar]

water is a drug

try to live without it

[sterile orchid]

weed

awe weed

no thank you

weed isnt for me

[woven pulsar]

Grenade is a non-food thing that can effect your brain :3

[sterile orchid]

the federation is cool

[hoary tide]

I like how ur flag it doesn't exist

[sterile orchid]

heat

pressure

[woven pulsar]

you can view it through the mobile ui

[sterile orchid]

area where it takes place

ect

ect

[woven pulsar]

the default desktop client doesn't allow it

[hoary tide]

Nope i cant even see it

[woven pulsar]

or something

[hoary tide]

xd

[woven pulsar]

Are you using the discord mobile app?

[sterile orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/jojos-bizarre-adventure-anime-windy-stare-looking-gif-17841830

[woven pulsar]

https://64.media.tumblr.com/69302dce3b4517a47fbea7643f50cf12/e5cbf22e08ad32d0-46/s75x75_c1/f71a33eecb03d0ea24bd898be605dbd02249888f.gif

[bold mesa]

more python less debate plz

[sterile orchid]

But what about where did Walter white go

Python fun

Using R is better

Time to make heat map

Of a csv data set

https://tenor.com/view/nicki-minaj-anaconda-music-video-gif-3581274

[sly pond]

https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/indonesia-woman-python-snake-belly-dead-2550866-2024-06-09

[sterile orchid]

Sorry thats anaconda

[sterile orchid]

Cute dog

Whats their name?

@sly pond

[sterile orchid]

Awe

Big feet means they will be giant

[sterile orchid]

Are you still fostering

[hoary tide]

Dogo

[sterile orchid]

My sister has that camera

Great camera

[sterile orchid]

Holy thats giant

[sly pond]

https://jolsonweddings.com/education/canon-magic-drainpipe-lens

[sterile orchid]

Hobby or profession
?

[sly pond]

hobby

[sterile orchid]

Thats cool

[slow terrace]

millennial
a person born between the early 1980s and the late 1990s; a member of Generation Y.

[sterile orchid]

very few people here

making websites and ui ux

@sly pond do you android studio

or xcode

@sly pond when did you start?

how big was your portfolio @sly pond

before starting

very true

data science for resumes 🤔 @sly pond

lol

i just want 60k ngl

awe

[woven pulsar]

I just want a zillion billion dollars😭

blease give

[sterile orchid]

lol i just want apartment

and a cat min

just something i could say i could die happy

id like to build a datacenter in the midle of nowhere be a better person give all my money away

die with nothing

sounds nice

have money but eh

fair

just a work from home

a nice view

and coffee is the dream

work on data

even grunt work id be happy

awe so cissp

what you do

just apartment food and cat

[fallen spade]

hi could anynoe help me with a keysystem im trying to get to work?

[sterile orchid]

key system whats that

[fallen spade]

simply said a system where i generate and store keys

[sterile orchid]

is that scrum?

oooooh

i know that

[fallen spade]

i just got 2 issues

https://pastebin.com/5RAngdVC

[sterile orchid]

me toi

[fallen spade]

id appreciaye any help :>

ah shi i forgot the rest

[sterile orchid]

@sly pond thats the dream

[fallen spade]

the poblem witht the genkey func is that whenever a key is generated the epxiry is already set which is wrong. the expiry should be set when redeemed becaus it would just take the generated date and use that to expire wihtout being redeemed

[sterile orchid]

view and coffee

[fallen spade]

im sorry its kind of a complex system

[sterile orchid]

oh

rip

[hearty heath]

So how does the scoring work in olympic breakdancing? 😄

[fallen spade]

{
    "test-aEZnWpDsh5CsDATNE9Ya-R0HMfc2kotvDc0Y86KE6": {
        "days": 1,
        "generated_date": "2024-06-29 03:00:33",
        "expiry": "2024-06-30 03:00:33",
        "used": false
    }
}```

the issue here is that i gen a key today and the expiry is already set

[sterile orchid]

oh this is like the steam key thing

so do you want an experation time

[fallen spade]

what it really is like i make keys for my customers to redeem to be able to use my bot

i store them

with necessary info

[sterile orchid]

how for how long?

[fallen spade]

not for a set period of time

its for any time

for example i run /genkey 1 1 which would give me 1 key for 1 day expiration. the issue now is that "expiry": "2024-06-30 03:00:33", is already set since i today gened a key but that causes an issue since the key should only expire after being redeemed

udnerstand 😭

[sterile orchid]

oh so you want a validation between the account and the key

[hearty heath]

https://olympics.com/en/news/breaking-breakdancing-rules-format-moves

[fallen spade]

kinda

lemme upload my complete file

might make things more clear

[sterile orchid]

send me the screen shotty

thats actually epic

breakdancing in the omlypics

that show is funny @sly pond

[sly pond]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3J6urFp8YZ0

[fallen spade]

https://pastebin.com/pyJeH0Jh

thats it

[sterile orchid]

i enjoy their gay humor

it is

its a great way to express yourself

LMAO this is my first time seeing this

[fallen spade]

issue is.
i make key with the expiration of 1 day but when i generate it the expiration is set alerady. thats wrong becuase the key should only expire after being redeemed

[sly pond]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FP1HHmQ1i4I

[sterile orchid]

@sly pond you sound a lot like steven west from the podcast philosophize this

https://open.spotify.com/episode/6o52CZWlHdDMmArp1Zb3FN?si=849f15824f1e4707

@sly pond

okay almost

but i think he sounds like steven west

then again steven is a bit older

i will listen to his podcast now

bye everyone have a nice afternoon

perhaps night

lol

[sly pond]

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0264395/

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093894/

[misty sinew]

Oh shid

I came in here to listen to something to snooze

Keep talking about programming

Stop drinking before you get cirrhosis

Boi what

Rehab time

You sound like you use collab

Ok let’s revisit this convo when ur 19

Just don’t get shitfaced

You’ll be alright

LMao

You do the crime you do the time

[sly pond]

1 sec

wife just got home

[woven pulsar]

"there are women and children down there, they're all unarmed"
"Gotcha, proceed eliminating them" this is gold😭

[sly pond]

love it

[obtuse mauve]

I want to make some projects for Web development trough django in python.
So, I will use VS. Code . Again, Someone please give me the idea of installing Django fisrt in the VS.Code terminal , then virtual machine, then MS-SQL (If Needed). And any project name-For Example.

[polar oxide]

hi

[ornate knot]

Let's see. Firts, get Poetry using pipx.
Create your folder.

poetry init```
Do not install any dependencie.

```py
poetry add Django

poetry run django-admin startproject my_site 

Now you should have something like:
├── my_site
│   ├── manage.py
│   └── my_site
│   ├── init.py
│   ├── asgi.py
│   ├── settings.py
│   ├── urls.py
│   └── wsgi.py
├── poetry.lock
└── pyproject.toml

The outer "my_site" folder, you can rename it like you want, in my case its "src", and the inner my_site its the actual name of your project.

[wintry sparrow]

I'm a SixthGen Italian and i dry my ass in the sink

My name is Jack Jaconelli, and i drink F Scotch

[undone hearth]

hi hows all

[fluid cedar]

helo

[deep niche]

backend haven ?

[celest tide]

helo

what you do in life heiwa

nope

i can send you my code if you want

[ornate knot]

/// py

[celest tide]

mm nope actually

yeah

[ornate knot]

` //

py

[celest tide]

/// py like this

[ornate knot]

def try_func():
  return

[celest tide]

yeah ``` from pyresparser import ResumeParser

def extract_skills_with_pyresparser(file_path):
data = ResumeParser(file_path).get_extracted_data()
return data.get('skills', [])

Example usage

file_path = './resume/CV.pdf'
skills = extract_skills_with_pyresparser(file_path)
print(skills)``` py

[ornate knot]

 from pyresparser import ResumeParser

def extract_skills_with_pyresparser(file_path):
    data = ResumeParser(file_path).get_extracted_data()
    return data.get('skills', [])

# Example usage
file_path = './resume/CV.pdf'
skills = extract_skills_with_pyresparser(file_path)
print(skills)

[celest tide]

windows

in window

windiws

[ornate knot]

https://realpython.com/python-pathlib/

[celest tide]

did you see the error ?

i don't even have config.vfg that's the problem

cfg

i did not understand you im sorry

yeah

and how could i use them

yeah

if i return the data you mean ?

same error

do i have to create a config.cfg or what

i don't know what should be in the file actually

[ornate knot]

https://omkarpathak.in/pyresparser/cli/

[celest tide]

it is still something wrong with config.cfg

hwat

what

yeah

[ornate knot]

spaCy

python -m spacy download en_core_web_sm

nltk

python -m nltk.downloader words
python -m nltk.downloader stopwords

[celest tide]

yeah

no worries

it's like i used spacy in my other project but i had to specify every pattern for name and email and the skills
i wanted to use pyresparser becuase this liabrary extract them automatically without me specifying what should i extract or specify the patterns

okay i donwloaded them and then i try to execute or there is something i should a dd in the code

[ornate knot]

from pyresparser import ResumeParser
data = ResumeParser('/path/to/resume/file').get_extracted_data()

[celest tide]

okay wait

mm i gues i have to create a new file called cofig.cfg

i had the same error

okay

[devout ether]

yo @obtuse valve

[obtuse valve]

yo

[low jetty]

@devout fern #voice-verification

[devout fern]

I've been ehere less than 3 days

so i cant

@low jetty

oh well

[low jetty]

oooh

[devout fern]

Yep

[hearty heath]

Hello

[hearty heath]

I think it has like a chocolate lining to stop it going soggy? 🤔

Hey @proper ridge do you still need help with that Docker thing?

@proper ridge Could you link to the Github issue?

[proper ridge]

https://github.com/NVIDIA/cuda-quantum/issues/1616

[hearty heath]

Because it's from an Islamic country?

[hearty heath]

Sorry, I'm not sure I understand.

Right 🤔

https://nvidia.github.io/cuda-quantum/latest/using/install/local_installation.html#docker

[stuck bluff]

Rice puddongs are ace.

...puddings.

[hoary citrus]

gulab is rose

@proper ridge

[stuck bluff]

Rosewater?

[hoary citrus]

yes

[stuck bluff]

Rose essence?

Rose rose rose your boat.

[proper ridge]

Gently down till steams.

!pypi qoin

[coarse hearth]

qoin v1.0.7

Quantum Random Number Generator.

Released on <t:1713438701:D>.

[stuck bluff]

@viscid shore Sorry for the wrong ping.

@proper ridge I'm right here.

You said you were looking for the legend.

DO IT TO JULIA!

@tall hound @craggy jetty @misty sinew @main drift 👋

@spice scroll 👋

@polar heron 👋

[stuck bluff]

@split epoch 👋

[undone hearth]

hi

it is ok

[stuck bluff]

@leaden otter 👋

https://tenor.com/view/bbc-bird-silly-daytime-nighttime-gif-7197397

[proper ridge]

@leaden otter Can you hear me?

[leaden otter]

hi

finally

[proper ridge]

!paste

[coarse hearth]

Pasting large amounts of code

If your code is too long to fit in a codeblock in Discord, you can paste your code here:
https://paste.pythondiscord.com/

After pasting your code, save it by clicking the Paste! button in the bottom left, or by pressing CTRL + S. After doing that, you will be navigated to the new paste's page. Copy the URL and post it here so others can see it.

[leaden otter]

it wont run

import datetime

def get_next_day(year, month, day):
input_date = datetime.date(year, month, day)
next_day = input_date + datetime.timedelta(days=1)
return next_day

def main():
print("Enter the date:")
year = int(input("Year: "))
month = int(input("Month: "))
day = int(input("Day: "))

try:
    next_day = get_next_day(year, month, day)
    print(f"The next day is: {next_day}")
except ValueError as e:
    print(f"Error: {e}. Please enter a valid date.")

if name == "main":
main()

yes it seems correct

but when i run this file terminal says there is error

[proper ridge]

import datetime

def get_next_day(year, month, day):
    input_date = datetime.date(year, month, day)
    next_day = input_date + datetime.timedelta(days=1)
    return next_day

def __main__():
    print("Enter the date:")
    year = int(input("Year: "))
    month = int(input("Month: "))
    day = int(input("Day: "))

    try:
        next_day = get_next_day(year, month, day)
        print(f"The next day is: {next_day}")
    except ValueError as e:
        print(f"Error: {e}. Please enter a valid date.")

if __name__ == "__main__":
    __main__()

You need to add __ to main.

[leaden otter]

ok it worked

but what was the problem in my code

AttributeError: module 'datetime' has no attribute 'date'

now i have this error

[stuck bluff]

!d datetime.datetime.date

[coarse hearth]

datetime.datetime.date

datetime.date()```
Return [`date`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/datetime.html#datetime.date) object with same year, month and day.

[stuck bluff]

!e py import datetime print(datetime.datetime.date)

[coarse hearth]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

<method 'date' of 'datetime.datetime' objects>

[stuck bluff]

!e py from datetime import datetime print(datetime.date)

[leaden otter]

yes

[coarse hearth]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

<method 'date' of 'datetime.datetime' objects>

[leaden otter]

ok i'll try

i think i missed something

can you do it again

[stuck bluff]

!e ```py
def main():
print('Hello, world.')

if name == 'main':
main()```

[coarse hearth]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

Hello, world.

[leaden otter]

no there is a run python file button

[proper ridge]

Open terminal.

[leaden otter]

ok

[proper ridge]

type python filename.py

filename being your file's name

[leaden otter]

[Errno 2] No such file or directory

[proper ridge]

Where is your file?

[leaden otter]

my files name is datetime

on desktop

[proper ridge]

You haven't opened your folder here.

Right click on your file and send me the path of it.

[leaden otter]

C:\Users\alium\Desktop\Ödev\datetime.py

[proper ridge]

In your terminal type python C:\Users\alium\DesktopÖdev\datetime.py

!zen

[coarse hearth]

The Zen of Python, by Tim Peters

Beautiful is better than ugly.
Explicit is better than implicit.
Simple is better than complex.
Complex is better than complicated.
Flat is better than nested.
Sparse is better than dense.
Readability counts.
Special cases aren't special enough to break the rules.
Although practicality beats purity.
Errors should never pass silently.
Unless explicitly silenced.
In the face of ambiguity, refuse the temptation to guess.
There should be one-- and preferably only one --obvious way to do it.
Although that way may not be obvious at first unless you're Dutch.
Now is better than never.
Although never is often better than right now.
If the implementation is hard to explain, it's a bad idea.
If the implementation is easy to explain, it may be a good idea.
Namespaces are one honking great idea -- let's do more of those!

[leaden otter]

ok i runned it

but still i get attribute error

[proper ridge]

Send me the error please.

[stuck bluff]

@vagrant hill 👋

[leaden otter]

Traceback (most recent call last):
File "C:\Users\alium\Desktop\Ödev\datetime.py", line 21, in <module>
main()
File "C:\Users\alium\Desktop\Ödev\datetime.py", line 15, in main
next_day = get_next_day(year, month, day)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
File "C:\Users\alium\Desktop\Ödev\datetime.py", line 4, in get_next_day
input_date = datetime.date(year, month, day)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
AttributeError: module 'datetime' has no attribute 'date

[stuck bluff]

#voice-chat-text-1 message

!e py import datetime datetime.date

[coarse hearth]

:warning: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

[No output]

[leaden otter]

3,12,4

3,12

i wish i could share screen

[proper ridge]

Type this in your terminal.

py -3 --version

[leaden otter]

Python 3.12.4

[proper ridge]

python

Just type python.

[stuck bluff]

@sharp thunder 👋

[leaden otter]

Python 3.12.4 (tags/v3.12.4:8e8a4ba, Jun 6 2024, 19:30:16) [MSC v.1940 64 bit (AMD64)] on win32

[proper ridge]

import daytime as daytime

[sharp thunder]

I can't open my microphone

[leaden otter]

SyntaxError: invalid syntax

i named it datetime.py

to what

[proper ridge]

You need to complete the voice verification.

#voice-verification

[leaden otter]

yes

but still invalid syntax

i changed the name

sakd

.py

random clciks on keyboard

[proper ridge]

python C:\Users\alium\DesktopÖdev\sakd.py

[leaden otter]

ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'daytime'

it is datetime

[proper ridge]

Change it to datetime.

[leaden otter]

import datetime

def get_next_day(year, month, day):
input_date = datetime.date(year, month, day)
next_day = input_date + datetime.timedelta(days=1)
return next_day

def main():
print("Enter the date:")
year = int(input("Year: "))
month = int(input("Month: "))
day = int(input("Day: "))

try:
    next_day = get_next_day(year, month, day)
    print(f"The next day is: {next_day}")
except ValueError as e:
    print(f"Error: {e}. Please enter a valid date.")

if name == "main":
main()

yes

yes

u are my saviour

thanks

it worked

but can you explain what was the problem to talk like a 5 year old

nok

nope

can you explain to me like im a 5 year old

im new to this

oh

i get it

thanks for everything

have a good day

[proper ridge]

My pleasure

[sharp thunder]

yeah looks like I have to spam messages 50X

[proper ridge]

NO NO NO.

You'll get muted for 2 weeks or so.

Please don't spam.

[delicate wren]

, as the channel suggests

[sharp thunder]

haha Im kidding

[obtuse valve]

today imma code up a caching system for my mcts code

[stuck bluff]

@cinder orbit 👋

@round berry 👋

[proper ridge]

rizzle diesel

[stuck bluff]

@misty sinew 👋

[proper ridge]

gobblestone

[delicate wren]

did you make the original class?

[proper ridge]

class Service:
    def __init__(self,
                 api: str,
                 device: str="CPU") -> None:
        if api != "api":
            raise ValueError("API invalid.")
        self.api = api
        self.device = device

    def run(self, circuit: str) -> dict:
        return {"result": circuit}

[delicate wren]

have a shared interface that both original and mock implement

you can even formalise it

there's more than one method to do mocking for tests

are you using the thing that the library provides?

[proper ridge]

Yeah, I'm using unittest.mock.

[delicate wren]

(I don't like those because they're not type-correct, and so in more strict languages they don't work)

I prefer not having objects be so complex that the only way is to monkeypatch/mock them

[ornate knot]

kay guys, gotta got

[misty sinew]

Byeee

[delicate wren]

one of type-strict ways to do this is:

class Interface(abc.ABC):
    @abc.abstractmethod
    def example(self): ...

class Implementation(Interface):
    def example(self): ...

class MockImplementation(Interface):
    def example(self): ...

depends on how complex the behaviour is

if I understand correctly, unittest.mock does allow choosing outputs depending on inputs

!e

from unittest.mock import Mock
mock = Mock(side_effect=KeyError('unknown input'))
values = {'a': 1, 'b': 2, 'c': 3}
mock.side_effect = values.__getitem__
print(mock('b'))
print(mock('c'))
print(mock('a'))

[coarse hearth]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | 2
002 | 3
003 | 1

[delicate wren]

iirc duckduckgo itself doesn't have a search engine

it pulls results from two other ones

so it acts like a search engine

not anymore