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misty sinew
mild flume
They're different animals entirely
delicate wren
as in just Python code API
it's a model that can be loaded with transformers package
misty sinew
They're different animals entirely
emu/ostrich different or like, totatlly totally different
mild flume
Emu ostrich
misty sinew
aight
mild flume
Llamas are bigger typically
delicate wren
from REAMDE.md:
import transformers
import torch
model_id = "meta-llama/Meta-Llama-3-8B-Instruct"
pipeline = transformers.pipeline(
"text-generation",
model="meta-llama/Meta-Llama-3-8B-Instruct",
model_kwargs={"torch_dtype": torch.bfloat16},
device="cuda",
)
Daww, looks like he's warm coat
delicate wren
iirc pipeline is a callable thing that represents whatever AI stuff the model is doing
misty sinew
looks like he spits chewin' tobacco instead of saliva
mortal stone
mild flume
@mortal stone Can you mute if you're doing that?
It's coming right through your mic
Thank you
delicate wren
wait what
why is llama.meta.com not entirely banned in Russia
it is stuck loading but it's not blocked
(I'm trying to open their docs)
mild flume
Both
delicate wren
from `REAMDE.md`:
```py
import transformers
import torch
model_id = "meta-llama...
this means you can just interact in any way with the model and integrated it directly into the app you're writing
misty sinew
Hemlock are you into conlangs?
delicate wren
I don't know how to apply pipeline from that code sample (I only have experience with stable diffusion's pipeline)
you can just call help on the value I'd expect
help(pipeline) or help(pipeline.__call__)
mild flume
Hemlock are you into conlangs?
Not familiar with the term
What is?
Oh like intentionally created languages like Esperanto?
Yes
It was built to be an international trade language
But it never quite took off
delicate wren
last time I've read anything Esperanto-related was because of Forgejo
misty sinew
Heard about Tsevhu? Koilang
mild flume
I haven't, no
misty sinew
It's a pretty esoteric one, Koilang is the script, and is written by drawing koifish
position of the ripples, the orientation / direction of the koi, etc.
I think I'm going to try and write a translator that goes from English -> drawings of koi with the same meaning
terse sierra
can you animate the koi swimming ? @misty sinew
misty sinew
๐คทโโ๏ธ let's get to the point of drawing the koi first haha
but making it swim would also temporarily change the grammatical aspects of it, e.g. the placement of the tail
misty sinew
yeah its so cool
mild flume
Back later
terse sierra
theres a fella who uses pygame , he can make the background look like paper and the animation look like water colors or charcoal , the koi stuff would blend nice with it @misty sinew
misty sinew
theres a fella who uses pygame , he can make the background look like paper and ...
oh yeah that sounds super cool! I might try and add backgrounds and stuff via. just stable-difussion at first, but I'd definitely want to migrate to something non-ai based
terse sierra
im not artsy , but i can see some applications to all this
misty sinew
I mean the application is limited as the language / writing system is like, super esoteric and has practically no users at all
but it'd definitely be fun, also a nice venture into natural language processing and such
mortal stone
terse sierra
well , learning a new way of thinking prompts creativity
terse sierra
talking is over rated , add it to the list ...
mmm , archery on horseback , Mongols did lots of that ....
terse sierra
did you examine , kinamatic gaits of horses , hey hey its a strut @thin lintel
Dr Pol , likes horseys
terse sierra
does that mean , trotter ?
terse sierra
very good
I have a first year genetics book on horses somewhere , maybe i shold actually read it one day
thin lintel
The Icelandic is a "five-gaited" breed, known for its sure-footedness and ability to cross rough terrain. As well as the typical gaits of walk, trot, and canter/gallop, the breed is noted for its ability to perform two additional gaits. Although most horse experts consider the canter and gallop to be separate gaits, on the basis of a small variation in the footfall pattern,[13] Icelandic breed registries consider the canter and gallop one gait, hence the term "five-gaited".
The first additional gait is a four-beat lateral ambling gait known as the tรถlt.
terse sierra
2 baby bunnys ,running back and forth in back yard , wow
thin lintel
thin lintel
terse sierra
if i figure the IP nonsense , maybe one day - it does a have a server thing , dont know how to use it
wraith portal
terse sierra
shiny horsey
thin lintel
terse sierra
izzz kitty praying ?
terse sierra
pray for kitty nibbles - if cute index high enough ?
thin lintel
he is playing with a toy
terse sierra
need some boxes to play hide and seek in , kittys seems to love it so
thin lintel
i have those
terse sierra
very importnt
acoustic depot
I have a question, do you guys know a Necro?
@wraith portal and @sterile orchid
he had a squidward profile picture
he just deleted his account and I am trying to reconect
No he taught me all I know about python and I want to keep in touch
Alright thank you I hope you guys have a great rest of your day
lethal wadi
good model? 1.58% RMSE
acoustic depot
Alright thank you guys for trying to help me and teaching me this, I hope you guys have a great rest of your day
@wraith portal @sterile orchid
wraith portal
๐
lethal wadi
dw about it, it's a little too stalker-ish
wraith portal
cya
dapper arch
why do i keep seeing this error when trying to run my python server No suitable Python runtime found
Pass --list (-0) to see all detected environments on your machine
or set environment variable PYLAUNCHER_ALLOW_INSTALL to use winget
or open the Microsoft Store to the requested version.
stuck bluff
@misty sinew ๐
violet knot
@worn canopy @stuck bluff Hello
worn canopy
<@974331958651928588> <@317279909112446976> Hello
hello
buoyant dagger
@mild flume Oh btw this is from inside of my pc
mild flume
<@98195144192331776> Oh btw this is from inside of my pc
Such beautiful cable management
Love it
Wait what're the dual heat sinks above the GPU?
Are those both on the CPU?
terse sierra
theres no cat hair in your computer , what gives @buoyant dagger
thin lintel
terse sierra
catzz on the job , doing what catzzz do
buoyant dagger
Wait what're the dual heat sinks above the GPU?
Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE
terse sierra
Im not up to date on , computer innards , improved heatsinks , bla bla
@buoyant dagger
buoyant dagger
Such beautiful cable management
Thanks. I actually paid a professional to build it for me ๐
terse sierra
if your going to run a computer 24 hrs , did you consider power consumption profiles @buoyant dagger
there used to doing it ( building ) and do it faster
looks like a little jet engine ~~~~~~~~~~whoooosh
mild flume
Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE
That's cool. I'd never seen a dual fan setup like that. It's interesting, because you're blowing additional hot air onto the second heatsink
buoyant dagger
there used to doing it ( building ) and do it faster
It's not about the speed. I just prefer having someone build it for me. I'm not planning to build a new pc for the next few years so for me it's worth
mild flume
But I guess that doesn't matter too much, it's supposed to just blow away the radiant heat
terse sierra
wooof !!!!
buoyant dagger
That's cool. I'd never seen a dual fan setup like that. It's interesting, beca...
Honestly I don't know exactly how it works. They recommended this one and said it's more than enough for my cpu. And based on the stress tests we did yesterday, it's doing a pretty good job
terse sierra
wondering about a old mackintosh computer heatsink - upside down pyramid onto cpu , no fans - wonder if it actually works
mild flume
Honestly I don't know exactly how it works. They recommended this one and said i...
Oh yeah I don't doubt it works great
Just hadn't seen that design
terse sierra
collection of fan sounds from - assortted stuff on table
the newest ubuntu image doesnt work on my old raspi3B+ , had to use old archived image - so ... its good to archive , have external data storage
Midnight OIl - beds are burning
elder wraith
terse sierra
tatoos have meaning , whatzz up with 47 ?
elder wraith
terse sierra
farmers shoot gophers , because horses break their legs in holes
white hull
<@1255557583872458802> Sup
hi
white hull
<@1255557583872458802> Sup
can you help me
mild flume
What's up?
white hull
pip dosen't work
mild flume
Do py -m pip install pygame
mild flume
dafuq? Do py -0
white hull
terse sierra
its the PATH thingy during python install
white hull
its the PATH thingy during python install
ok wait i'll enable it
mild flume
No no no
You don't need to do the path
How did you install Python?
If you got it from anywhere other than https://www.python.org/ then you need to instead get it from here
And actually, instead of pygame, you'll want to use the community edition
After you install Python from their website, you'll then want to do py -m pip install pygame-ce
terse sierra
I had same issue , PIP didnt work , I didnt use the default PATH setting on install , I try to use most suggested install setups to avoid this ... lesson learned
mild flume
I had same issue , PIP didnt work , I didnt use the default PATH setting on inst...
Add to PATH is unchecked by default
terse sierra
yes the , pygame-ce , is the prefered most updated pygame , from what I read
white hull
After you install Python from their website, you'll then want to do `py -m pip i...
ok thank you bro
mild flume
If it still pitches a fit don't hesitate to ask for more help! Oh, you'll need to close and reopen your cmd after you do the install
Otherwise it won't necessarily know that you installed the new one
white hull
ok
mild flume
mild flume
With the reflection in the glass, it's like the ghost of IT professionals past
terse sierra
when the cats away the mice will play @mild flume
tall grass in back yard , hides baby bunnys ....
mild flume
Damn it. I accidentally dropped a pen that was uncapped onto my pants and now I have a little pen mark
This is just my day today
rotund bough
could be worse... i once broke my zip at work
hearty heath
Hey ๐
mild flume
@halcyon spruce Yo
hearty heath
Did you hear that the US ran an anti-vaccination campaign in Southeast Asia during the pandemic?
rotund bough
which country?
hearty heath
which country?
Primarily the Philippines
Hard to believe really, and pretty shameful.
mild flume
Not that hard to believe, unfortunately
delicate wren
@ornate cobalt dtrace
cargo-flamegraph + dtrace specifically
what
dtrace is officially supported by Windows
inside WSL you should also be able to use perf
--privileged if you're doing it inside Docker
dtrace isn't easier on Linux
mild flume
delicate wren
you can also make your own tools
integrate and provide timing as part of the language you're making
just like how rustc/cargo do it
delicate wren
@mild flume yes, cells instead of lines are gross, agreed
ask mustafa about that jupyter testing flow again
proper ridge
<@98195144192331776> yes, cells instead of lines are gross, agreed
You don't like Jupyter notebook?
delicate wren
it's a throwaway solution, it's not supposed to take long to write them
the hard part is how to structure it in a good display-wise manner if you're presenting it to others, not in code implementation
if you spend much time to useful code, probably better to put it in a reusable module early on
proper ridge
it's a throwaway solution, it's not supposed to take long to write them
I didn't say long to write them. I said long to run them.
delicate wren
ah
delicate wren
yeah, then happens
proper ridge
It'll take days to run for certain instances.
delicate wren
but I wouldn't rely on Jupyter for those cases
proper ridge
That's what notebook is for though. When you literally just have a single file and want to quickly run it and and see the plots together.
delicate wren
yes
proper ridge
Plus, notebooks are great for demonstration and adding latex to your results.
proper ridge
I never said using notebook as a package.
proper ridge
the hard part is how to structure it in a good display-wise manner if you're pre...
I add it for all of my packages for demonstration. It allows me to add additional blocks of text to explain stuff, add images, etc.
delicate wren
I never said using notebook as a package.
"the realisation that there do exist people who don't think this way is terrifying"
proper ridge
"the realisation that there do exist people who don't think this way is terrifyi...
How the hell would you make a package as a notebook?
You need directories, proper management of modules, how would your users even install and import modules?
I've personally never seen someone use a single notebook to make an entire package.
delicate wren
How the hell would you make a package as a notebook?
you can run ipynbs from python itself and/or via CLI
with enough notebook manipulation you can then pull data out of it
delicate wren
I've personally never seen someone use a single notebook to make an entire packa...
there are people on this server who have seen Jupyter notebooks ran as part of automated testing
proper ridge
you can run ipynbs from python itself and/or via CLI
with enough notebook manipu...
Bruh. Like parse specific cells out?
mild flume
@elfin breach Sometimes performance really doesn't matter
proper ridge
there are people on this server who have seen Jupyter notebooks ran as part of a...
...
hearty heath
A cool thing about JITs is they can collect statistics at runtime and use them to decide which parts of the code to compile/optimise.
mild flume
Depending on what it is
proper ridge
Like no yaml, no tester modules, nothing?
mild flume
Not every program or thing you create NEEDS to be peak peak performance
You're doing a basic CRUD app? Probably doesn't matter
delicate wren
Like no yaml, no tester modules, nothing?
the fact that jupyter appears at any point during automation is already bad enough, even if there is more reasonable stuff around it
proper ridge
Not every program or thing you create NEEDS to be peak peak performance
ROT is if it bottlenecks and can be optimized significantly.
mild flume
ROT is if it bottlenecks and can be optimized significantly.
Sure, but you find those optimizations when it comes up
proper ridge
the fact that jupyter appears at any point during automation is already bad enou...
I only use notebooks are demonstration of code. Like import your package, run some stuff, add some explanation, finished.
delicate wren
I should move Jupyter to another server, now that I have a more performant one
mild flume
Sometimes over optimization before it's done ends up wasting time and can also sometimes cause you to miss the forest for the trees, as it were. You focus too much on optimization on one part that never needed it, but end up either bottlenecking something else or missing that something else needed more tending loving care
warm pelican
This is great
proper ridge
Sometimes over optimization before it's done ends up wasting time and can also s...
Ahh, the biggest mistake an engineer can make is optimizing sth that shouldn't exist in the first place.
proper ridge
Optimization is to improve efficiency, not for pedagocial purposes.
mild flume
If your project never finishes, then there's no point to all the additional optimization
Find it after it's created
Do benchmarks after
proper ridge
You can learn sure, but don't mistake over-optimizing sth that doesn't need optimization or shouldn't even exist.
mild flume
Keep basic stuff in mind, sure
But nitpicking right off the bat will only make you take significantly more time
@fair heart 1, 2, 5
SHIT
delicate wren
@ornate cobalt
for measuring the performance of my stream combinator library I used this which is as dumb as just having a global flag which you turn on and off
https://github.com/parrrate/ruchei/blob/main/internal/ruchei-sample/src/lib.rs
^ just as an example of how performance tools can be very simple and you can make your own
mild flume
1, 2, 4, shit
Great minds
delicate wren
how small is small project
fair heart
<@97347867923976192> 1, 2, 5
it's a lagwagon problem
delicate wren
the more people/projects depend on it, the earlier you should worry about optimisation
imo
mild flume
Ehhhh
misty sinew
the more people/projects depend on it, the earlier you should worry about optimi...
yeah kinda what he said as well
mild flume
FastAPI is better now days
proper ridge
how small is small project
Depends on the organization scale I guess? Like IBM's "small" package qiskit is over 100k lines of code and spans over multiple packages. My "medium" sized package is around 10K lines of code and serves as a single package.
mild flume
Correct
@misty sinew Or even necessarily use that function as much as you might think
hearty heath
Back in a bit
proper ridge
@vocal knot Cut until you can't cut anymore without losing core functionality.
No need to optimize sth that shouldn't exist.
mild flume
Wrong root
proper ridge
Ohh my bad.
delicate wren
chroot
proper ridge
He'll see it.
mild flume
Well played
delicate wren
<@559903350024568833>
for measuring the performance of my stream combinator libr...
this project is at around 5KLoC now; and it's already getting into the "not small" package territory
mild flume
Das Root
proper ridge
this project is at around 5KLoC now; and it's already getting into the "not smal...
Ummm, are you the only one working on it?
mild flume
@fair heart Ubuntu Server?
proper ridge
I mean, 5k is still small even for one person AF.
misty sinew
this project is at around 5KLoC now; and it's already getting into the "not smal...
if it's not SLoC then 5k is small imo as well
vocal knot
:)
delicate wren
misty sinew
even 5k sloc isn't like, huge, i guess. But I'm a C dev so I can't even imagine what can be done with 5k sloc of python hahaha
proper ridge
I personally have this scale:
<5K - Tiny module
5-15K - Small module (package)
15K-50K - Medium-sized module (package)
50K< - Enterprise package
proper ridge
Yeah it's a small module package imo.
delicate wren
this I'd consider small:
https://github.com/oxalica/async-ffi/blob/master/src/lib.rs
proper ridge
this I'd consider small:
<https://github.com/oxalica/async-ffi/blob/master/src/l...
How many Locs?
coarse hearthBOT
delicate wren
I personally have this scale:
<5K - Tiny module
5-15K - Small module (package)
...
depends a lot on the language also
proper ridge
These are basically glorified modules. Just a simple script that you make into a package with testers and stuff.
proper ridge
depends a lot on the language also
Yeah, my scale is based on Python for instance.
High-level languages.
delicate wren
Rust is high-level too
proper ridge
Is it more explicit (lower level) than python?
delicate wren
average granularity is more in case of Rust
proper ridge
I see.
delicate wren
Is it more explicit (lower level) than python?
depends
proper ridge
I'm not familiar with RUST so can't really extrapolate to RUST for my scale.
mild flume
@elfin breach Functioning and usable program is more important
CRUD apps in most cases don't need to be super super super fast
So it having some slower places, eh
proper ridge
CRUD apps in most cases don't need to be super super super fast
"Use moderate effort where moderate effort suffices".
misty sinew
You guys are being way to specific lol, this question is answerable at a much higher level. if you can get X performance increase, is that worth the compromise of Y that it would take? e.g. does 5 ms faster runtime have a greater impact on the value of your tool, profitability or whatever, than adding that new rss feed or whatever
mild flume
But if the developer's time is better used elsewhere, then meh
proper ridge
You guys are being way to specific lol, this question is answerable at a much hi...
Optimization is analyzed on a case by case basis.
misty sinew
yeah, but the question originated as "when do i know how much i need to optimize"
proper ridge
You can't just say optimize or not just by a high level overview.
delicate wren
this project is at around 5KLoC now; and it's already getting into the "not smal...
it's also going into "not small" territory because it's actually no longer a single package;
it's four
mild flume
Written in assembly
Roller Coaster Tycoon vibes
proper ridge
yeah, but the question originated as "when do i know how much i need to optimize...
It depends on the domain, scale of the software, and resource constraints.
misty sinew
exactly, which is why the only answer available for a question of that abstraction level, is what i said
raven orbit
@elfin breach https://xkcd.com/1205/
misty sinew
no better answer can be given without more information about the specific problem
mild flume
@elfin breach Does it affect the end user, does the end user actually care about that 3 seconds, etc
proper ridge
exactly, which is why the only answer available for a question of that abstracti...
When no proper details are presented, then the consultation is worthless.
@elfin breach See what Hemlock has said.
mild flume
Will the optimization affect or improve the bottom line of the company
misty sinew
not quite, being told to do a cost-benefit analysis of outcome vs opportunity cost of gaining the outcome is still valuable advice
delicate wren
"since I've skipped hearing most of the conversation, I'll just say Django for simple stuff is bad DX"
elfin breach
<@636950962245730324> Does it affect the end user, does the end user actually ca...
If the user doesn't see any feedback in 3 or more seconds then he starts to think there is a server problem, so yeah.
mild flume
Will the optimization affect or improve the bottom line of the company
By this I mean, is the cost of paying the developers to optimize it going to be outweighed by the profit from the additional speed
If so, then worth
If not, then not
mild flume
If the user doesn't see any feedback in 3 or more seconds then he starts to thin...
Sure, then in that case, it's worth it. You've had users complain, they feel that they'll get more profit or benefit from the speed increase, go for it. But that cost benefit analysis needs to be done on case by case
delicate wren
this project I consider to be too big, and worth splitting in more parts already
proper ridge
~~does the profit match the drapes~~
Hehehe
proper ridge
You eating cookies?
delicate wren
as for Python projects, I have one that's "only" 3000 lines
if you look at the amount of state it has to deal with it's giant, and it has been evolving for >4 years
proper ridge
as for Python projects, I have one that's "only" 3000 lines
if you look at the a...
Amount of state?
jagged hawk
yo wsg
jagged hawk
sup hem
proper ridge
it's not stateless and not isolated
I don't know what amount of state means. Not questioning it hehe.
delicate wren
it has to be this way
otherwise it'd be, like, 100K lines if you tried to abstract it away
fair heart
i'm very sad i missed lagwagon day @mild flume
mild flume
Fixes > Features > Optimizations (at least to me)
But I'm a hobbyist, so I don't know what is proper
proper ridge
But I'm a hobbyist, so I don't know what is proper
Gasp
delicate wren
I don't know what amount of state means. Not questioning it hehe.
complexity of mutable data
proper ridge
Surviving. You?
Hang on, I'm respawning in a few seconds.
jagged hawk
Surviving. You?
had enough of mints and windows bs so decided to just wipe everything and get opensuse
been great
proper ridge
complexity of mutable data
Could you give me an example please?
jagged hawk
although linuxs encryption system was really annoying for some reason
proper ridge
as for Python projects, I have one that's "only" 3000 lines
if you look at the a...
Is this open-source by the way? I'd love to have a peek.
mild flume
Back later
delicate wren
Could you give me an example please?
as a simpler example, than what I have there, poll bot using reactions on messages to track results;
you need to deal with, at least, following stateful things:
- reactions on message
- pending add_reaction/remove_reaction events
- pending removal of extra reactions
and all that assumes you aren't even bothering to store anything in the database
proper ridge
as a simpler example, than what I have there, poll bot using reactions on messag...
Ohh, so the number of variables and processes you need to account for for your primitive to function properly?
delicate wren
and external state
proper ridge
I see.
delicate wren
1000 users per day isn't enough to move off Flask in some cases even
Flask is bad but it does scale, thanks to WSGI
1000 users at once is where it melts down
proper ridge
1000 users *at once* is where it melts down
Farming users, 'merica.
Imagine 1000 guys just making fake accounts perpetually until they fry the competitor servers HEHEHE.
bitter monolith
can someone help me find someone capable of helping me with a project
jagged hawk
Imagine 1000 guys just making fake accounts perpetually until they fry the compe...
you realize how much that happens?
bitter monolith
i know what i need done but i dont know what section i can find someone
delicate wren
can someone help me find someone capable of helping me with a project
what do you mean by "capable"
jagged hawk
literally ddos
proper ridge
you realize how much that happens?
Really? Was kidding. I was even expecting someone grilling me and saying that's nothing.
delicate wren
1000 users *at once* is where it melts down
Flask is bad for concurrency because of it being WSGI-only
jagged hawk
i mean concurrency doesnt matter if your coding skills suck
write go cuncurrency aint gonna do better than java
unless you actually know what your doing
delicate wren
i mean concurrency doesnt matter if your coding skills suck
good programming skills can't make Flask concurrent
elfin breach
just go read this
I will.
delicate wren
bad skills + Quart is better than good skills + Flask if you need to handle many requests at once
Flask just doesn't work architecturally at that point
jagged hawk
Really? Was kidding. I was even expecting someone grilling me and saying that's ...
ive had stupid websites hit millions of hits in a single day, ive even had friends have vps with ~2 million (ive seen proof) requests, so 0.1% of those most likely botted requests even trying to make fake accounts wont be weird
now at a larger scale you'd have way more than that
look at how 4chan used to destroy websites with their ddos
jagged hawk
`bad skills + Quart` is better than `good skills + Flask` if you need to handle ...
yeah but flask is a weird thing for concurrency aswell
jagged hawk
I will.
https://roadmap.sh/software-architect also have this
delicate wren
servers may be virtual which also means a non-1-to-1 correlation with computers
jagged hawk
mate doesnt matter how much you want to optimize
someone is gonna beat you to it
its a never ending loop
so stop waisting so much time on such a useless thing
that whole 5 words 25 letters thing proved that anyways
delicate wren
@elfin breach is this 2 minute figure from a real existing project?
(some real projects do suffers from this, so might be)
if your page takes >1minute to load, it's terrible UX and totally worth optimising
if you can't make it faster, make it a background process
then send an email to the user that the thing is done (or show it in the UI)
immediate solution might even make total compute usage higher
5 minutes to load a page is often worse than 1 seconds to load the page and 6 minutes to wait for the result to show up
warn the user that it takes a long time, and only then start fixing it
if it takes 5 minutes to generate a response, reducing it by 2 minutes is not the main concern
sterile orchid
wait so this is still in beta?
proper ridge
wait so this is still in beta?
Haven't started the code, so not even alpha.
sterile orchid
so just an idea
proper ridge
Yep.
sterile orchid
get to writing and drawing out the code first LOL
cant optimize if you have nothing
proper ridge
get to writing and drawing out the code first LOL
That's what we said.
I'm gonna put Imaginary Optimization Engineer in my resume hehehe.
sterile orchid
i might do that
proper ridge
@elfin breach - Don't optimize (or over-optimize) sth that should not exist in the first place.
- Define explicit bottlenecks. Come up with solutions. Evaluate cost vs benefit. Make a decision.
sterile orchid
its like having non existent convex optimization
LMAO
cant bottleneck if you have nothing to bottleneck
delicate wren
when page load takes 5 minutes, it's catastrophic misengineering not just a bottleneck
it's not "slow", it's a failure
warm pelican
for (let b = 0; b < bottlenecks; b++) {
// handle bottlenecks here
}
many browsers will even tell the server "no, it's too long"
rotund bough
just remove the setTimeout
sterile orchid
so within systems engineering you cant start off without anything
you have to work on 1 thing after another
proper ridge
just remove the setTimeout
There's a reason we Time out though.
warm pelican
the universe according to non bibical scientist believe so
proper ridge
kasstelle, may I ask what's TLauncher?
sterile orchid
oh minecraft with more resources
also its bootlegged because i cant access my old emails
i wanted to see if 128gb of ram did anything for the game
optimize as much as possible
thats life
lol work on the important things first
proper ridge
i wanted to see if 128gb of ram did anything for the game
Damn, send a 32 gb RAM to your brother here.
sterile orchid
then work on the smaller things
warm pelican
i feel like we can use a tape recorder at this point
sterile orchid
Damn, send a 32 gb RAM to your brother here.
turns out i use 64gb casually
sterile orchid
ill send you 8
proper ridge
ill send you 8
Thank yoou.
warm pelican
8 tape recorders :) jk jk i know its ram
sterile orchid
basically he is a scrum lead
proper ridge
PLEASEE.
sterile orchid
so i can do more ai work
delicate wren
I ordered another 64GB of RAM because why not
proper ridge
I ordered another 64GB of RAM because why not
Nicee.
sterile orchid
its really slow
proper ridge
Everyone's getting RAM but me HEHEHE
proper ridge
imagine a 2080
Gotcha.
proper ridge
Have you considered a RTX 3090?
delicate wren
my only Nvidia GPU is 1050 Ti
proper ridge
I have a 3060, works pretty good.
sterile orchid
i will someday get an rtx 3090 as long as i can use multiple for ai research someday
proper ridge
my only Nvidia GPU is 1050 Ti
I remember you said only two out of three have GPUs. What's the other?
delicate wren
RX 590 for the PC
proper ridge
i will someday get an rtx 3090 as long as i can use multiple for ai research som...
Ohh, if you're clustering them then ignore my suggestion.
proper ridge
and work finishing my own LLM
Nice!
sterile orchid
all about clustering
proper ridge
You should talk to Osyra. He's also really busy with his LLM Vanity.
sterile orchid
lmao i told you about cluster cluster always cluster
proper ridge
He's always eager to talk shop with other LLM developers.
sterile orchid
true he uses gpt
delicate wren
I remember seeing a motherboard which was marketed as capable of quad SLI;
guess how many GPU slots it had
proper ridge
true he uses gpt
He uses Nous-Hermes 13B I think.
sterile orchid
become the scrum master
delicate wren
I remember seeing a motherboard which was marketed as capable of quad SLI;
guess...
three
sterile orchid
ah thats not bad lol
proper ridge
i want my own gpt called
Like make it from scratch scratch?
sterile orchid
^^^
proper ridge
Nice. How low did you go?
rotund bough
proper ridge
so about 1 tb of data gathered
Don't you need much much more?
proper ridge
https://tenor.com/view/scrum-gif-4767323
I got my SCRUM board from this show. It's perfect.
sterile orchid
now with the information it has now probably 50tb lol
proper ridge
well gpt was made off of 50gb
GPT 3.5?
proper ridge
Interesting. I recall it being much larger in their arxiv publication.
sterile orchid
just wikipedia stackexange data and they paid for redit and twitters data now
that data costs 50k just to use lol
for 1 year
oh yeah i have the arxiv data set
proper ridge
just wikipedia stackexange data and they paid for redit and twitters data now
I mean if you make yours open-source you should be able to use those too, no?
delicate wren
@raven orbit in GitHub it's just projects (I don't think GitHub has stuff named just Workspaces)
sterile orchid
hes teaching him how to scrum ๐ฎ
proper ridge
I think if you make it open-source you can use all publicly available data.
delicate wren
<@473859714162360320> in GitHub it's just projects (I don't think GitHub has stu...
((might've misheard))
sterile orchid
scrum masters are amazing to have on a team
i hope so but its a really really long grind
proper ridge
<@473859714162360320> in GitHub it's just projects (I don't think GitHub has stu...
I have a vague recall of workspaces, but you're probably right.
sterile orchid
sprints are fun
proper ridge
i hope so but its a really really long grind
I'd be down to help you with from time to time.
delicate wren
GitHub has codespaces and some new copilot workspaces
sterile orchid
makes writing code and code production fun
๐ฎ
that sounds like a plan anyways brb
i need to go to a job interview
proper ridge
GitHub has codespaces and some new copilot workspaces
Riiight, I completely forgot to play around with copilot's settings.
Did they make copilot X available?
Lemme check...
delicate wren
I don't use copilot and neither do I really use GitHub Codespaces/the other Codespaces
proper ridge
I don't use copilot and neither do I really use GitHub Codespaces/the other Code...
May I ask why you don't use GitHub?
delicate wren
I use GitHub itself
proper ridge
I don't use copilot and neither do I really use GitHub Codespaces/the other Code...
Copilot's really nice for the grunt work.
proper ridge
I use GitHub itself
Ohh, same.
delicate wren
I use GitHub itself
just not the paid infrastructure it has
proper ridge
Yeah same. Copilot is free though, isn't it?
I don't pay for it.
I think it's free for students?
proper ridge
I remember there was another one besides GitHub.
delicate wren
Gitpod
proper ridge
I found this.
https://itsfoss.com/github-alternatives/
proper ridge
God I hate networking.
delicate wren
* all IPv4 interfaces
proper ridge
Hisssss
delicate wren
127.0.0.0/8 is loopback
raven orbit
delicate wren
127.0.0.1 is convention for what localhost is
127.0.0.53 is convention for local DNS server, iirc
raven orbit
<@473859714162360320> in GitHub it's just projects (I don't think GitHub has stu...
sorry was mixed up with codespaces
delicate wren
\* all IPv4 interfaces
for IPv6:
0.0.0.0 -> ::
127.0.0.1 -> ::1
raven orbit
you're right, was thinking of projects
delicate wren
sorry was mixed up with codespaces
I'm not entirely sure they themselves understand what is what
raven orbit
~~I'm not entirely sure they themselves understand what is what~~
shhh
delicate wren
static IPv4 prices got lower where I live
IPv6 isn't as tightly packed as IPv4
afaik it's designed to be more sparse not only by just having more addresses but also by parts of the address actually meaning something not just random numbers whichever are available
I never did a networking course but I have to deal with networking regularly
I should shill TIPC more
tulip grail
hearty heath
We don't really have GPA in the UK
Erm, your degree classification yeah
Transferring university isn't common really in the UK either
There is some kind of standard course credit system though, can't remember what it's called ๐ค
delicate wren
@tulip grail as a random networking question: are you aware of TIPC?
delicate wren
so that leaves the total number of people I know, who are aware of TIPC, at zero (excluding myself)
like it seems to be quite a powerful tech built into Linux
yet I don't see it used anywhere
@tulip grail the amount of references online to that mission in late March was a bit too much
sterile orchid
i am back
ahhh are you messing with hex files
changing speed?
oh it looks really realistic
i might have to get an rtx for my personal pc
the real life pictures and scanning of textures holy
i cant even imagine how much time that took
do they still have the terminal map
?
and the cabin in the woods @proper ridge
delicate wren
@ornate cobalt another library that might be useful for measuring time:
https://docs.rs/tracing-timing
it's a bit hard to get working properly sometimes but still useful
and writing your own tracing subscribers for measurement isn't that hard
delicate wren
Cow<str>
it's either &str or String
if you need cheap clone, there is also Arc<str>
or just String if you don't worry about that
you can make a custom type that is Arc<str> and a range
also
why not have &str for buffer, again?
hmm
wher is buffer coming from?
(as in why change buffer)
hmm
the way I'd do it:
buffer as &'a str
literals as Cow<'a, str> (if you escape anything, it's a String, otherwise &'a str)
buffer is just source code in this case
reason why you can't have &str into a mutable String:
reallocation
String is a contiguous sequence of bytes
for simplicity you can just use String everywhere
misty sinew
`String` is a contiguous sequence of bytes
null terminated as well.
delicate wren
null terminated as well.
not in Rust
delicate wren
Rust has CString for C-like strings
misty sinew
i was trying to learn it but than just stopped
delicate wren
and, by the way, even in C++ you aren't guaranteed to have 0 at the end
misty sinew
arnt CStrings just Null Terminated by deafult
misty sinew
and, by the way, even in C++ you aren't guaranteed to have 0 at the end
when i code in C++ i dont use any strings so this is never an error lol
i've used them like
twice
rust is scary
misty sinew
what are you trying to do
i am
yeesh. ive never worked with lexats before
hmm.
you could try taking the bytes in that buffer and creating a seperate mutable buffer for those bytes
i dont know what
rust has for liek
strcpy
delicate wren
.clone()
misty sinew
or `String::from(&other_string[start..end])`
this sounds like
what i was trying to think of
dont take my advice tho lol im sure alisa is much more experianced than me
delicate wren
struct StringLiteral<'a> {
original: &'a str,
parsed: Cow<'a, str>,
}
// as an example
#[non_exhaustive]
struct ParsingState<'a> {
source: &'a str,
string_literals: Vec<StringLiteral<'a>>,
}
just pray the people coding in your language are not reading your lexers code ๐
delicate wren
just pray the people coding in your language are not reading your lexers code ๐
just like this #voice-chat-text-0 message
misty sinew
lol
my code is
horrible lmfao
im just glad people that use my programs dont care about the source
it doesent even matter how poorly optimized your code is
the compiler will just optimize it for you
delicate wren
sterile orchid
lex and yacc?
delicate wren
there was also some example of a string holding basically anything inside
misty sinew
there was also some example of a string holding basically anything inside
a string should technically be able to hold any value.
as long as its
not wide
than you might have some errors
misty sinew
@ornate cobalt are you planning on implimenting wide strings?
its a string where each character occupies 2 Bytes rather than 1.
delicate wren
there was also some example of a string holding basically anything inside
like
#[non_exhaustive]
enum Magic<'a> {
Borrowed(&'a str),
Static(&'static str),
String(String),
Arc(Arc<str>),
Box(Box<str>),
BoxDyn(Box<dyn 'a + AsRef<str>>),
ArcDyn(Arc<dyn 'a + AsRef<str>>),
StringSlice(String, usize, usize), // other variation of slices omitted for sanity
}
like chinese symbols contain more data than a regular letter. So to solve this the wstring was invented. where every 1 character is 2 Bytes.
delicate wren
rust's String and str only allow UTF-8
misty sinew
oh
delicate wren
for arbitrary bytes there is Vec<u8>/[u8]
misty sinew
but what if he wants his lang to support anything else
sterile orchid
can you code it in lex and assembly next
misty sinew
oh so now we have to hop better on vectors
sterile orchid
or small talk
delicate wren
for what the OS thinks of an acceptable string type, there is OsString/OsStr
misty sinew
i dont think hes making an assembler quite yet lol
sterile orchid
misty sinew
the instructions are smaller but the actualy program will be longer
math register?
you move it to that register
celest tide
hello guys im trynna include machine learning in ly resume parser project is there anyone that could tell me how to even start
misty sinew
the push assembly operation moves the data onto the stack according to its current stack frame
so like
push rax would be pushing the data stored in the 64-bit register rax to the stack according to its current stack frame rsp
am assembly sweat
delicate wren
it reallocates when it goes over the capacity
misty sinew
you can use heap allocation : )
misty sinew
yeah i dont either lmfao
sterile orchid
hmmm
misty sinew
write you own heap allocator in rust !
delicate wren
or just Arc<str>/String everywhere
misty sinew
i despise vectors
sterile orchid
fuck learning android studio id rather backend
delicate wren
like if the thing potentially needs to outlive the source file and be shared, Arc<str> is the way
sterile orchid
^^^^^^
misty sinew
prolabaly
sterile orchid
for a period
misty sinew
i dont even know what that means ๐ญ
delicate wren
another option for the buffer:
make it immutable after you're done lexing and move it into an Arc<str>
and store stuff as indices until you're done
sterile orchid
give it a try
misty sinew
is load even a valid x86 - 64instruction
sterile orchid
thats smart
delicate wren
another option for the buffer:
make it immutable *after* you're done lexing and ...
@ornate cobalt if you really want to engineer it with as few allocations as possible
sterile orchid
it allows your brain to focus on what you are doing
makes you conscious
im not a rust coder
^^^^
it looks nice and clean
misty sinew
does rust have a winapi wrapper yet
delicate wren
yes
misty sinew
im just a java python dweeb
iโm a C++, C, asm dweeb
delicate wren
Microsoft are very active at integrating Rust in Windows
sterile orchid
c++ holy shrimp you are a genius in my eyes
misty sinew
Microsoft are very active at integrating Rust in Windows
finally
misty sinew
c++ holy shrimp you are a genius in my eyes
C++ is GREAT
it looks very dumb of course
but
delicate wren
"Rust is very simple...
... if you already know C, C++, Python and Haskell"
sterile orchid
@misty sinew https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S1fISh-pag
misty sinew
itโs relatively similar to C
delicate wren
most of Rust is just C+Haskell
sterile orchid
write in c
as the deadline fast approaches write in c
okay i will look at the stream
idk about the self.advanced
hmmmmm
misty sinew
"Rust is very simple...
... if you already know C, C++, Python and Haskell"
FALSE
delicate wren
C ABI still remains as the main thing for calling functions from other languages and/or static/dynamic libraries
misty sinew
rust is too hard bro
delicate wren
within the same amount of time I was able to learn more Rust than Haskell
sterile orchid
rust looks fun
misty sinew
i think that there syntax for adding a return type on a function is dumb
sterile orchid
idk about this code though
misty sinew
fn function() ->
delicate wren
i think that there syntax for adding a return type on a function is dumb
return type syntax is same as in Python
sterile orchid
like a basic compiler shouldnt be over 200 lines but that might be a rust thing idk
delicate wren
def example() -> int:
return 123
๐คท
misty sinew
i donโt know python either lol
delicate wren
now remember how TypeScript does that
sterile orchid
lol
misty sinew
the first language iโve ever learned was C
delicate wren
function example(): number {
return 123;
}
than C++
sterile orchid
@misty sinew i feel like you could read python easier than rust
misty sinew
than a tiny bit of python
rotund bough
templates
sterile orchid
but its all the same concept
delicate wren
```ts
function example(): number {
return 123;
}
```
: for return types is cursed, even though consistent
misty sinew
ok iโm writing in Malboldge for the rest of my life
sterile orchid
wtf is that
rotund bough
have fun maintaining that
delicate wren
but its all the same concept
speaking of concepts
I still haven't worked with C++20
misty sinew
wtf is that
some esoteric language that looks horrid
it looks like this
haisjebeii)/93!:88$:28/&);39.&;&/9.โ7/72!489hejwhd
delicate wren
work needs C++17 or, at times, C++14 and lower
sterile orchid
oh jeeze so
delicate wren
haisjebeii)/93!:88$:28/&);39.&;&/9.โ7/72!489hejwhd
hello world?
rotund bough
auto is op is cxx20
misty sinew
hello world?
no, thatโs just what the language looks like
sterile orchid
basically slamming head on keyboard hoping it works
misty sinew
basically slamming head on keyboard hoping it works
yes
sterile orchid
LMAO
delicate wren
(=<`#9]~6ZY327Uv4-QsqpMn&+Ij"'E%e{Ab~w=_:]Kw%o44Uqp0/Q?xNvL:`H%c#DD2^WV>gY;dts76qKJImZkj
this is what Malbolge's Hello World looks like
sterile orchid
that looks like when you write cryptography in ftk imager
misty sinew
yep
sterile orchid
i would never
misty sinew
easier to read than rust tbh
delicate wren
```
(=<`#9]~6ZY327Uv4-QsqpMn&+Ij"'E%e{Ab~w=_:]Kw%o44Uqp0/Q?xNvL:`H%c#DD2^WV>gY;d...
languages is so chaotic it's impossible for humans to write it by hand
that code is generated
misty sinew
I would take assembly over rust
sterile orchid
comment checking 
rust is good for hackers so i feel like at some point id be forced to learn it
delicate wren
hats off to whoever put "structured" in there
misty sinew
beaunfuck is beautiful
delicate wren
it is structured
misty sinew
โฆโฆ..>โฆ.>โฆ>โฆ>.>.>.>.>.,<,>.>.<.<.>,
sterile orchid
very much so
delicate wren
program cheating at rock-paper-scissors (it just responds with winning r/p/s to input r/p/s)
https://copy.sh/brainfuck/?c=LApbCj4rKysrKysrWzwtLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tPi1dPApbCi0tClsKPisrKysrKytbPCsrKysrKysrKysrKysrKys-LV08KwouCj4tPApbLV0KXQo-CisKWwo-KysrKysrK1s8KysrKysrKysrKysrKysrKz4tXTwtCi4KWy1dCl0KPAo-LTwKWy1dCl0KPgorClsKPisrKysrKytbPCsrKysrKysrKysrKysrKys-LV08KysKLgpbLV0KXQo8CiwKXQo$
misty sinew
@delicate wren put in n and it returns m lol
sterile orchid
lol im going to learn how to make a kotlin compiler
for android stuidio
ill be back
delicate wren
<@264054779888533515> put in n and it returns m lol
undocumented features
misty sinew
yep
bfundocumentedinternals
ooh it can encrypt strings
xnt rldkk khjd snd nhk
that translates back to you smell like toe oil
delicate wren
pqrs
delicate wren
I have no idea what that program does anymore
misty sinew
it preforms
delicate wren
,[>+++++++[<---------------->-]<[--[>+++++++[<++++++++++++++++>-]<+.>-<[-]]>+[>+
++++++[<++++++++++++++++>-]<-.[-]]-<[-]]>+[>+++++++[<++++++++++++++++>-]<++.[-]]
<,]
a subtraction operation
misty sinew
false
wait
it does
some
weird subtraction algorithm
if you enter 2 you get 1
it goes back
1 letter
or one bit in this case
so like
if you enter
b
it returns a
delicate wren
all unknown characters are treated as comments
Brainfuck ignores all characters except the eight commands
+-<>[],.so no special syntax for comments is needed
delicate wren
probably
-1
if q then -1
if o then +4
delicate wren
probably
-1
if q then -1
if o then +4
prs
oqr
opr
spr
misty sinew
it offsets it
ornate cobalt
if p => s
else c - 1
misty sinew
it probably has a list of all the characters
and if the input = r
we offset it by whatever would make the solution
and than print the value at that byte
idk brainfuck is weird
enter the number 4 on it
do it
you get 3
it offsets by 1 byte
- 1 bit
i forgot
its bits
ASCII
delicate wren
first subtracts ord('p') from input
misty sinew
chat we are smart
we should make brainfuck a proper language
we need to make an input output lib for it
delicate wren
, for I
. for O
delicate wren
[-] sets the currently pointed-to byte to zero
misty sinew
XOR XOR XOR XOR XOR XOR XOR XOR XOR XOR XOR
@ornate cobalt is there like proper syntax
like can i code in it yet
make it print my name pls
incredibly quick IO operations
nice
make it print my name 35,619x please
why does it measure in days lol
misty sinew
we need a time wrapper for bf
ok im ahead out
shoot me a dm if you need help with assembly, C, or C++
delicate wren
idk if it's because of CPU usage or something else but sound seems to break from time to time
time to compare to what vlang promises
V Lang says this
or used to
before they decided it's probably better to be honest and not overhype
delicate wren
V Lang says this
(this is 2019 blog referencing their site)
from the time when they had docs for generics and no compiler support for them
apparently yes, they were not separated enough from everything else
(but I haven't seen myself)
they banned the author of the blog from everywhere they could
their community moderators generally don't understand the difference between trolling and criticism (whether valid or invalid)
delicate wren
V Lang says this
I don't know how much of this is true
but the fact that I see people in the community labelling valid-ish criticism as, quote, "propaganda" makes me never want to be part of that community
@ornate cobalt Zig can
it will inline
as for V -- no idea
macros would be inlined, I'd expect
just how Zig does, iirc
delicate wren
their community moderators generally don't understand the difference between tro...
new member: python sucks
community/moderators: yeah we know/and?/okay
new member: rust sucks
community/moderators: what can we improve?
new member: vlang sucks
community/moderators (in 2019~2020 as alleged by many people): BAN THEM
it probably has many features it promised earlier
and it definitely doesn't have some
still a promising language
still with a "new language please don't judge" attitude
@ornate cobalt "if you stare long enough, you'll notice there's something off"
https://volt-app.com/
iirc it's related to vlang
@ornate cobalt title of the page
(I don't think this is 300KB)
I've unpacked it
the executable is more than 300KB
so it's not assets
sterile orchid
oh volt
its been like that for years LMAO
i guess time doesnt change all that much
python is great
take that back
๐ฎ
i will roast others for using GO
ah
lol
delicate wren
Python's async is very capable
delicate wren
it's very easy to use other languages inside Python
delicate wren
standard library is giant while being mostly useful
sterile orchid
thats also very true julia was made off of python
delicate wren
Lua bindings are good
delicate wren
also one of interpreted languages is basically built into the full version of Python
sterile orchid
java updated syntax is basically python lol
delicate wren
"you can also use sql of sqlite3 as a scripting language if you're brave enough"