pyweek-game-jam

[meager leaf]

idk im a very acab person

[karmic scroll]

grizzled space (marine) cop. you know you wanna.

[valid prairie]

🤨

[onyx basin]

Would something prison related be close enough to cops?

Yes

[valid prairie]

if you can somehow justify your relation, you can do it!

I guess there’s other things than police

[karmic scroll]

As long as you pay homage to the theme somewhere, you're okay. People may complain, but I haven't seen any DQs in what...8 years.

If you do good with the theme, though, you will get more generous scores during judging.

[valid prairie]

euuugh

my phone defines “cop” as “police” apparently

[meager leaf]

thats what they are?

cops are the police

[valid prairie]

You could make a game about pennies

[sterile nymph]

im kinda stuck with this theme

[valid prairie]

Cop -> Copper -> material of pennies

[onyx basin]

woah

[karmic scroll]

Check dictionaries for alternatives.
https://www.thefreedictionary.com/cop
http://dict.org/bin/Dict?Form=Dict2&Database=*&Query=cop

[meager leaf]

thanks ^^

[onyx basin]

Hope no one is confused

heli-cop-ter

[valid prairie]

true

[karmic scroll]

noun: a police officer, an arrest, a theft
verb: take, steal, arrest

You could also make up your own: C.O.P.S. == ?

[sterile nymph]

can you?

[oblique widget]

hmm acab but detective game though 👀

[karmic scroll]

Why not? As long as you help the player make the connection to the theme.

[copper crow]

So what are we actually meant to do for this

[karmic scroll]

Get creative. e.g. send the player on a scavenger hunt. And he can find a C, and an O, and P, and... solve the puzzle. Whatever works towards that word cops.

[valid prairie]

whatever you want (not at all helpful ik lol)

[copper crow]

What kind of thing are we meant to create tho

[karmic scroll]

A game. The world is your oyster. 🙂

[copper crow]

Okey

Should be interesting

[karmic scroll]

As long as it has something to do with the theme.

[sterile nymph]

does it have to be in pygame

[karmic scroll]

Nope.

[valid prairie]

it just has to be Python

[karmic scroll]

If you have dependencies make it easy on the player. Instructions to install, or a requirements.txt if the deps are in pypi.

/away

[lusty wasp]

That was a close race. Good luck all with the theme!

[onyx basin]

Cops?!?

In an online game jam. Sheesh. This is going to be dark.

[hot flume]

mmmmm, trying to be reasonable and not stay up all night writing issues for the basics and diving into the creating the assets

[sacred jasper]

What time will pyweek start

[hot flume]

It started 2.5 hours ago

[sacred jasper]

but doesn't it start on the 28th

it is the 27th for me

[hot flume]

It starts at midnight on the 28th for UTC. Which for me is 8pm on the 27th. Timezones make things a tad complicated

[sacred jasper]

oh

[onyx basin]

Attack

Hard

[upper lark]

time to spend a day figuring out what the heck to do with this

should have prepared for all the themes

they weren't kidding when they said the most unexpected theme is picked

[indigo comet]

same

[onyx basin]

hello! i’m new to this event.

can someone give me an rundown of how to participate?

[meager leaf]

the faq will be useful

you just gotta register, make an entry, and submit your game

before the deadline

[onyx basin]

i don’t know how to use pygame 😔

[indigo comet]

you can use any of the libraries listed

[onyx basin]

i don’t know how to code games 😔

[faint vigil]

wait im confused

where do you play?

and how?

[real eagle]

PyWeek is about coding a game.

[faint vigil]

theres no challenge link

https://pyweek.org/31/

here

[onyx basin]

you code a game

[faint vigil]

oh

bruhhhh

[onyx basin]

you submit the game

[faint vigil]

lmao

so you code anything?

[onyx basin]

we don’t play games we ARE the games

[faint vigil]

remotely related to cops?

rip

[onyx basin]

you code a game off of a theme

[faint vigil]

i thought this was like advent of code 😦

oh well

[onyx basin]

do like a cop infinite running game or something

[echo bobcat]

I have a doubt, can we make a game using a game engine but the code we use is python?

[onyx basin]

yeah

[balmy cloak]

Whats pyweek?

[hybrid granite]

read the first message of #pyweek-faq

#pyweek-faq message

[sour hedge]

like ursina?

[spare ruin]

yes

[bright vigil]

YOOOOO

someone tell me what the hell is py week

[little apex]

By-Annual game coding challenge in python xD

[onyx basin]

morning all!!

Time to begin 🙂

[bright vigil]

what are we coding

[hybrid granite]

is it advised to load fonts that I'm using for the pyweek game from a separate file? or should I assume that it would already be installed in the judges' pc?

[indigo comet]

include the font folder in your project

[hybrid granite]

should I load the .ttf file

[hybrid granite]

aight

[onyx basin]

I suggest a separate file in your project.

[indigo comet]

maybe inside a utils folder

or smth

[hybrid granite]

yeah I think I'll have a folder fonts/ and load the ttf file which is inside that folder

ok thanks

[woeful tree]

I thought "Cops" might win the vote. A bit of an unlucky draw to have a pretty well-trodden theme like police alongside some more original ones.

But it is random so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tranquil oar]

Not too surprised by Cops theme either. My first thought was Walking Dead so going with Cop vs Zombie arena shooter with human rescue. Good luck everyone!

[onyx yew]

Yo does tkinter count for this?

[modest tapir]

yep you can use whatever

[onyx yew]

sure? in their website tkinter is not mentioned

[modest tapir]

https://pyweek.readthedocs.io/en/latest/rules.html#entries-are-to-be-written-from-scratch

I understand this as a yes since tkinter isn't less than 30 days old and is published on pypi and ahve a doc

[onyx yew]

ohhhhh

[onyx yew]

ok thanks a lot friend

😄

[modest tapir]

np ❤️

gl

[autumn mauve]

may I know what is PyWeek

?

🙁

[onyx yew]

i mean idts i can win , cause apparently you have to vote, and no one will vote for me 😂

[onyx yew]

its a competition you can say

game development

[autumn mauve]

does it include teams

or

individuals

?

[onyx yew]

yes teams, you can form on your own

[autumn mauve]

well, how to get listed?

[modest tapir]

Pyweek is a game jam, you are given a theme and have 1 week alone or in team to create your game in python

[onyx yew]

go to #pyweek-game-jam and #816317565738942524

you will get to know everything

[autumn mauve]

ok

also, is there any way to make 3d games in python

I have uused pygame

to make 2d classic game

[modest tapir]

look at ursina/panda 3d

[autumn mauve]

ok

[onyx yew]

pandas

[modest tapir]

https://pyweek.readthedocs.io/en/latest/libraries.html

[autumn mauve]

Thanks

everyone

for your help

[onyx yew]

np thank me later

and all the best

[autumn mauve]

🙂

Thanks

[lusty wasp]

I don't know what this aaaaAAAA stuff is all about but I'm in

[viral idol]

It's the name of the pydis staff team since we're so creative

And it's fun to pronounce 😅

[little apex]

A game

[meager leaf]

i finished my mvp today. time to sleep.

[harsh summit]

can anyone send the link for list of pyweek blender assets ? Thanks a lott

[hybrid granite]

same

[knotty stag]

I think I might steal your idea

[muted cloud]

lmao

[wicked otter]

Hippity hoppity their name is my property

[dreamy tapir]

can i use the blender game engine?

[random sinew]

Blame the RNG

[lusty wasp]

@dreamy tapir I don't think so.

But I'm not 100% sure.

[dreamy tapir]

isnt blender coded in python?

[lusty wasp]

I'm a little confused, wasn't BGE shut down years ago?

[dreamy tapir]

yes

but it still works in 2.79

im probably not gonna use it tho lol

[onyx basin]

hey there

[slender igloo]

Hi

[knotty stag]

hola

[onyx basin]

I screwed up - Thought of a game idea too fast, I don't like it anymore and the game's name is my entry's link. Is there any way to change the entry's link? lol

Or to delete my entry and create a new one

[lusty wasp]

@onyx basin doesn't matter very much, you can change the title

For most people the link is unrelated to the game title anyway

[onyx basin]

It'd be cooler if the url didn't say "BazookaCop"

lmao

[frigid moth]

@chilly mist Hey i see youre online and youre a specific mod, so I figured I'd @ you with a question. Idk if you are able to answer questions about pyweek but I want to determine if a package im using is good to use

[chilly mist]

Many people would be able to answer that.

[onyx basin]

@frigid moth According to https://pyweek.readthedocs.io/en/latest/rules.html

[frigid moth]

okay so im not sure if this complicates thing but my question is specific to the package im using

it was developed by someone who isnt competing this pyweek but is directly available to me

he was on our team last pyweek

otherwise the package is perfectly fine, but it could be seen as an unfair advantage because i personally know the person who made it and was working with him while he did

[onyx basin]

If last pyweek was more than 30 days ago, it's in the public domain, it has a readme and docs then yeah it should be fine

Also the module shouldn't be part of the actual game 👀

Like it shouldn't include character information or graphics or anything specific to the game you're making in particular

[frigid moth]

yep

its a postprocessing package

so its alright

[meager leaf]

so i woke up to a pull request in my github from someone, fixing a typo i made?
is it ok to accept and merge it in, or does that break rules if im going solo?
sorry for the dumb question

like, this is the only change

[knotty stag]

I don't think it's against the rules or anything

If it's not majorly affecting the gameplay

idk

[meager leaf]

neither do i, thats why i was asking

i think ill just accept it and move on

[north ocean]

so, who chooses the topic.

[hot flume]

The community. It's voted on by the people who participate

[north ocean]

o

[onyx basin]

how often does the "latest activity" page update?

[knotty stag]

whenever something new happens

there should be a blue refresh button on the top of the page when something does happen so you can see it

[onyx basin]

ok

huh

it's not picking up on when i push to my gh repo

[slender igloo]

That was me, I didn't even think about that, sorry! I think a simple typo is OK anyway.

[meager leaf]

oh! thanks! sorry i was just like really hecking confused.

that was the first time i got a pr too haha

[lusty wasp]

@onyx basin the github repo changes take a while to show up.

[onyx basin]

yeah it's there now

[dreamy tapir]

wait so can i use the blender game engine for pyweek?

[viral idol]

Check out the rules here: https://pyweek.readthedocs.io/en/latest/rules.html#target-platform

[merry relic]

Ty

[clever pike]

man cops :(

[shy delta]

I've been looking for a while but where on the website do I sign up?

(Please ping)

[real eagle]

Top right corner.

[shy delta]

Okay, let me see

[shy delta]

oh -_- never saw that there

Thanks!

[real eagle]

Np!

[shy delta]

Um, I found out that's for getting an account. (Which I already have) Do you know how to sign up for the event?

[real eagle]

You click your username, and click "Register Entry"

[shy delta]

Okay! I'll try that

wait, what do I do for the URL?

[real eagle]

GitHub repo? I'm not sure

[shy delta]

oh

[real eagle]

This has some info: https://pyweek.readthedocs.io/en/latest/

[shy delta]

It said http://pyweek.org/e/[I enter something here]

Okay, I'll look into that Thanks!

[shy delta]

I have a friend who wants to be on my team, is it possible to add him after I create an entry or do I have to make the team open?

[knotty stag]

you can add him by putting in his username in the "Manage this Entry" page

[shy delta]

okay

[knotty stag]

oh srry should've pinged you my bad

[sonic nest]

How do I submit an entry? I know that it's a while until the jam is closed but I'm wondering how to submit a game.

[lusty wasp]

@sonic nest upload a file to your entry and mark it as "final"

You can change it until the deadline

[sonic nest]

Okay, thank you

[valid prairie]

Does anybody have experience with PyMunk?

[drowsy dagger]

+ 👮

btw if for some reason you should want lemon or ducky assets for their game, they are freely available at https://github.com/python-discord/branding for everyone to use

[viral idol]

aaaaAAAA

[sinful wigeon]

hey guys is a text based adventure game allowed if I use ncurses?

[ashen hawk]

I think the only rule is you have to primarily use pygame.

[sinful wigeon]

ah balls

[woeful tree]

Yes

[ashen hawk]

Ah no I'm wrong. I'm reading the rules and there's no pygame requirement.

[woeful tree]

And there are many other rules

[sinful wigeon]

:D AWESOME

I'm doing that as best as I can

Uh where do I sign up to the challenge on the website?

[woeful tree]

https://pyweek.org/31/entry_add/

It's "Register Entry" under your username at the top-right

[sinful wigeon]

oh rtight thansk

[woeful tree]

Well, I'm not doing PyWeek again this time, because I have a baby, but I am writing a new synth library for Pygame, in Cython

[drowsy dagger]

that sounds like a super interesting project, @woeful tree. would love to see how it turns out.

will it be, like, a real VST that I can use in a DAW?

cause I might wanna play with it in that case.

[pliant atlas]

that yours!?

[pearl oxide]

fuck, thats awesome!

[sinful wigeon]

idk I might give up on the game using curses

[pearl oxide]

you can add that police emoji on the branding server, there is a issue open for that too iirc

[clever pike]

how can we edit our entries?

[digital spoke]

how to join\

?

[sonic nest]

Make an account at https://pweek.org

Then you can add an entry at https://pyweek.org/31/entry_add/

[drowsy dagger]

@pearl oxide

yeah, that's the game we're working on in the staff team.

[pearl oxide]

yeah, ik

[harsh flax]

Is "curses" allowed?

[covert seal]

Yes

[indigo skiff]

how to join

[lusty wasp]

See #pyweek-faq

[indigo skiff]

doesnt wor

k

[pliant atlas]

very cool 👍

[woeful tree]

No, not a real VST, just tone and noise generators that plug into Pygame and anything else that can receive samples via the buffer protocol. So far I just have tone generation with ADSR envelopes and sin/triangle/saw/square/custom waveforms, but I'm hoping to also port SFXR to Python to make game sounds easily.

[drowsy dagger]

very, very cool.

[woeful tree]

I don't have a GitHub repo yet because I'm supposed to fill out a form at work before I upload

[frail stratus]

It seems that a lot of links here are 404: https://www.pygame.org/wiki/resources?parent=index
I would make a pass over the list but apparently wiki registration is disabled?

[covert seal]

you may want to open an issue on the pygameweb repo
https://github.com/pygame/pygameweb

[frail stratus]

Like this? https://github.com/pygame/pygameweb/issues/108

Is the website maintained?

[covert seal]

dead links should probably be a separate issue, but it does seem pretty inactive

[frail stratus]

There is an issue from 2019: https://github.com/pygame/pygameweb/issues/83

I was hoping the PyWeek team might know something about that, or be in a good position to replace the dead pygame wiki with a space that can be kept up to date

linking to a wiki that is two years out of date and can't be updated by anyone is not sustainable

(hopefully, pyweek peeps know pygame peeps and can push them to give permission to some people so we can unblock this)

[lusty wasp]

PyGame and PyWeek are entirely separate projects.

[frail stratus]

Yes but it's not unreasonable to expect that someone on the PyWeek team knows someone on the PyGame team and can clarify the situation

[woeful tree]

We do, but the chain of you asking here in the hope that someone unrelated to the project can ask someone else who is, is unnecessary effort given there's an issue tracker with these exact issues reported

Maybe comment on them, or raise them in the PyGame Discord

You can also submit PRs to the PyWeek handbook: https://pyweek.readthedocs.io/en/latest/

[frail stratus]

Yes but I am reporting that the issue tracker is being ignored

doing that on their issue tracker is counter-productive

[solid star]

They respond better to pull requests

[onyx basin]

wdym? does your work place restrictions on what you can put on the web?

[woeful tree]

Yes, for legal/compliance reasons

[shy delta]

How often are Pyweeks? (please ping)

[solid star]

You can derive that from the previous challenges : https://pyweek.org/challenges/

[shy delta]

Ok, Thanks!

[slender igloo]

Usually twice a year

[shy delta]

ok

[sinful wigeon]

right I'm going to give up on my game in ncurses

getting user input doesnt work no matter what I tried

[valid prairie]

@woeful tree I hate to bother you, but GH issues seem to take too long to resolve. I can’t link my GH repo for my entry because the website doesn’t like the period in the repo name “COP.EXE”. Here’s the repo https://github.com/gaming32/COP.EXE so you can see that that is actually a valid repo name.

[valid prairie]

fixed

thanks for pointing that out

[onyx basin]

hey

i have a question regarding loading tmx files in pygame

[unique cliff]

never learned pygame

but i saw the most impressive game i've ever laid my eyes upon

never had more motivation

wish me luck!

[slender igloo]

Good luck

[woeful tree]

Pull requests are welcome

[random sinew]

Hello PyWeek folks! On iPad it is impossible to click the button at the top of the entry such as “Add Diary Entry” because the banner is covering it. Should I submit an issue anywhere?

[woeful tree]

I think that is this bug: https://github.com/pyweekorg/pyweekorg/issues/57

But as @valid prairie points out, nobody has done any work on the site recently

[random sinew]

Alright, I see

Are you just looking for contributors or the website has been pretty much abandoned?

[drifting radish]

hi

[spare ruin]

hi

[heady wedge]

When's it start

[fiery rover]

3 days ago

[onyx basin]

so

has anyone had any problems using tiled files with pygame?

i am kinda

really confused lol

well

the pytmx library

[woeful tree]

It hasn't been abandoned; we're still running the competition. And I have put lots of effort into it in the past few years to allow us to keep doing so. But I am not working on it right now. So yes, contributors welcome.

Keeping the website basically fit for purpose has been more important than cosmetic features

[normal dagger]

Anyone else not started yet

[limpid heart]

My team has a near functioning game, so if you haven't started you're not doomed :), though I suggest you start...

[normal dagger]

never

procrastination is my lifeblood

[onyx basin]

that's just a psychological trick i betchoo only just now got a square to move don't mess with me man

i ain't fallin for ur tricks

[limpid heart]

still a major WIP

but it's coming along

the music is boss

[pliant atlas]

but but but

i only have sprite that jumps

not fair

OR DO i?

[normal dagger]

@limpid heart where cop

[mellow hawk]

Oh, that's a car

[shut gull]

a cop car it seems

[drowsy dagger]

our overworld at varying levels of toxicity

[onyx basin]

what time is the final submission ?

[limpid heart]

https://pyweek.org has a nice timer ~70 hours to go

[limpid heart]

Just wanted to thank you all for hosting this, finally learning to navigate git

[onyx basin]

Neat

[onyx basin]

Oh man I thought you said if" u haven't started YOU'RE DOOMED" tho I see you where actually instilling optimism for us folks, saying " ur not doomed" thought u trying to give me the shakes lmao I'm too sleepy

[onyx basin]

Good luck and have fun with it all hope it kicks ass

[woeful tree]

It's easiest to think of git in terms of points in n-dimensional source-code phase-space: https://www.tartley.com/posts/a-guide-to-git-using-spatial-analogies/

And if all else fails, remember to consult the manual! https://git-man-page-generator.lokaltog.net/#aW52ZXN0aWdhdGUkJHJlZg==

[abstract fulcrum]

.

[stoic heart]

no please no

[drowsy dagger]

now an emoji!

[pliant atlas]

hahah

[dreamy tapir]

i am making doom but cops and robbers

[slender igloo]

I thought it might be fun to offer to bash out some original tunes for anyone that wants one and stream it because that's what the cool kids like to do these days. Join me at 14:00 CDT if you're interested https://youtu.be/XL78BGPCYBc

[onyx basin]

i started 4 days late last time :)

so it's never too late to start

@normal dagger

[modern dust]

does our team name have to be named after the game we will be developing?

[viral idol]

not at all!

[modern dust]

ok thanks for clarifying

[slender igloo]

This is happening now

[broken agate]

i wanna ask the pyweek team something

its more like a suggestion

u guys gotta add something in the game that has some Aprils's fool element in it

[drowsy dagger]

it's already completely full of ducks

oh I made him the shootiest cop instead.

[north ocean]

…that seems a bit insensitive not sure

[broken agate]

?

that mouse though LOL
it looks like someone sat on it LOL love it

[drowsy dagger]

full overworld

[broken agate]

nice nice nice

[sinful wigeon]

QUESTION

[north ocean]

ANSWER

[sinful wigeon]

I'm guessing that obfuscated code cant be submitted?

is that against the rules

[north ocean]

why would you want to obsfucate it

[sinful wigeon]

I'm wondering if thats against the rules

[pearl oxide]

it is not

[sinful wigeon]

hmmmm

not only can a game be played with increasingly difficulty, a game could be read in its source code with increasingly difficulty

[dreamy tapir]

XD

how do i make my game a pypi package (I have it on a github repository)

[twilit canopy]

you don't need to do that for this competition

but there are a number of tools that will help you do it.

[sinful wigeon]

I have another problem

I cant make SVG files but I have the PNGs that I made/edited for my game

[limpid heart]

inkscape can handle svgs

convert from png to svg

etc

open source

https://inkscape.org/

think of it as Adobe Illustrator

kinda like gimp for photoshop

[sinful wigeon]

oh right i mis read the rules, I thought you had to provide svg files

"you use only the files published. For example, you may not publish only PNG files but use source SVG files in your game."

[limpid heart]

yea, just gotta provide all used things'

so if you use pngs, then that's fine.

[sinful wigeon]

yeah and I kind of have to otherwise my game wont work

[limpid heart]

but if you ever needed to make an svg, inkscape is super easy and free, though it seems that's not needed

[valid prairie]

You need setuptools and Twine (not the text-based adventure software)

You also need to create an account on PyPI

[woeful tree]

You don't need setuptools and twine any more. There are simpler alternatives, like flit: https://flit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/index.html

[coral holly]

Yo

[onyx basin]

It's 5am but I think all the core features of my game are done now just polish

[lusty wasp]

What do you mean, too many cop cars

[viral idol]

Dang! That looks cool 😄 Can't wait to play it

[idle spire]

Here’s my entry: https://pyweek.org/e/speed-limit/

[meager leaf]

My game is complete: https://pyweek.org/e/doodletaco-31/
oh also, am i allowed to put my entry on itch as well? (i turned it into an exe) or should i wait until after the jam?

[lusty wasp]

Of course you are allowed to do that.

[meager leaf]

sorry aa

[lusty wasp]

And congrats on finishing the game early! 🙂

[north ocean]

(python 3)
specific version at all?

i assume it won't work with 3.4

[shut gull]

3.0 😔

[meager leaf]

i uhhh dont know what it needs haha
i tested it on python 3.9 and 3.6

[shut gull]

the rules say latest version, no?

[lusty wasp]

That should cover all currently supported versions of Python then 🙂

[north ocean]

I never read them

[meager leaf]

what should i write instead, then?

this is the first game i have made in python like this 😅

i think i fixed it?

[meager leaf]

thanks! i finished early because i made my scope a bit small haha

[lusty wasp]

Good approach 🙂

[north ocean]

okay so its the latest version which means it has to run on 3.9

which means it won't be misunderstood yada yada

[tardy quarry]

Alright, I'll call that done. My first ever game jam submission - https://pyweek.org/e/jra31/ - I'm happy I finished a game this time! Looking forward to seeing everyone else's entries 🙂

[onyx basin]

Just so I'm clear, the contest ends in about 24 hours from now but there's an additional 24 hour grace period to still make changes and then submit files?

[sacred marsh]

the grace period is not meant to do actual coding

it is meant to polish your entry page, package it to binary (if you plan to do that). so you can upload more packaged versions for each OS if you so wish, but it isn't meant to extend the time frame of the contest

[onyx basin]

I see

[lusty wasp]

You can make porting-related changes on upload day (eg. if the game won't launch on macOS or whatever) but no game development.

[onyx basin]

so I upload and can make subtle edits?

as long as the core program is there?

it's easter do it for jesus comeon'

[onyx basin]

congrats 😉

[limpid heart]

the random squares weren't working, welcome to my city.

[valid prairie]

Ok, I think I'm done with my game: https://pyweek.org/e/Gaming32

Also, I can't use the pyweek module

[sly oyster]

wtf is this?

[real eagle]

Is the repo public?

Also, try putting your name in lowercase.

[sly oyster]

tried

and its public

[real eagle]

What about removing the _ from the repo name?

In both the GitHub and the PyWeek.

[real eagle]

No, I mean changing the repo's name.

Renaming it.

[sly oyster]

okey if thats the reason its not working im done

so stupid tho

pls fix

[real eagle]

Idk, I might be wrong.

But some computers and stuff don't like underscores.

So PyWeek might not want that.

[sly oyster]

ok its that

so stupid

[valid prairie]

It also happens with a dot (.) in the name of the repo as well (my entry COP.EXE also suffers from this)

[sly oyster]

frontend or backend checking hmm gotta check that

[valid prairie]

I just posted a link in the description

And made an issue on GH

[hot flume]

Ah, thanks! I was just going to ask if someone could make an issue on the repo

[valid prairie]

Maybe I didn't

I think I did

I did post something here though: #pyweek-game-jam message

[hot flume]

But if there are issues like this, I'd appreciate issues being posted here: https://github.com/pyweekorg/pyweekorg/issues
There are rough plans after this game jam to do some work on the website and go through issues and all that jazz~

[limpid heart]

I remember reading that, lol

[valid prairie]

@hot flume @limpid heart I have submitted an issue: https://github.com/pyweekorg/pyweekorg/issues/76

[hot flume]

thanks!!

[valid prairie]

Will poetry be required for the aaaaAAAA entry?

[gritty terrace]

How you doin’?

[limpid heart]

we ended up renaming the repo

[valid prairie]

The old link still works tho

[real eagle]

GitHub redirects links.

Until a new one takes it's place.

[limpid heart]

Question about submitting...https://pyweek.readthedocs.io/en/latest/help.html#what-to-submit-as-your-entry this script is python 2?

[woeful tree]

That section is really bad and needs replacing

There's a whole page that is more up to date: https://pyweek.readthedocs.io/en/latest/packaging.html

[valid prairie]

Is it ok that I include half of this information in separate files?

Ok this bottom page is better

[limpid heart]

thank you, I was starting to get concerned

[north ocean]

@hot flume so what happens to the rules

requires 3.9.3 or 3.9.2?

because the rules say latest version

but what if it doesn't run on 3.9.3 but runs on 3.9.2 because that was latest when it was finished

[hot flume]

I'm under the impression that any 3.9 is fine. @woeful tree will be able to answer better than I can though

[valid prairie]

Mine was tested under 3.9.0

[onyx basin]

I just finished my entry This was my very first game jam and it was a lot of work but a lot of fun https://pyweek.org/e/pythonprison/

You get to write code in the game

[modern dust]

Can I put the game on other websites like itch.io as well after I finish it?

[woeful tree]

The expectation is that point releases don't contain breaking changes, so it's not likely that something will work in 3.9.2 and break in 3.9.3 (but Hyrum's Law applies). I would pay no attention to point releases except to keep yourself as up to date as possible.

[woeful tree]

Of course

[north ocean]

so if someone had a game that happened to not work in 3.9.3 but worked in 3.9.2.…..

because 3.9.3 was released in like the last 6 hours

[hot flume]

Also, I do have a plan to stream here me setting up and playing some of the games submitted. Should be a good time

I think it's reasonable to expect that most people will use 3.9.2 since 3.9.3 wasn't the latest release at the start of the jam

[north ocean]

riiight but according to the rules 3.9.3 as of now, no?

[hot flume]

I would say the rules are ambiguous and we'll go with common sense in this case.

Are you concerned your game breaks with 3.9.3?

[gilded dirge]

quickly looking at python.org there don’t seem to be any major changes that would affect games (?)

[north ocean]

no, im curious what

Entries must run using the latest version of Python…….…See the Python Dev Guide for which Python versions are allowed.
means.

either not in the context of pyweek or within

[hot flume]

It's intended for people to use a similar version of python and not use 2.7 or 3.2. I think it's more than reasonable to assume that it's the latest release at the start of the game jam. I don't think we need to cover every edge case in the wording of the rule.

[north ocean]

would mean that 3.8.x and 3.9.x should be allowed and if for some reason it doesn't run on a specific variant that would be negligible by the judges

right?

Perhaps I don't know how to read that table, and I'm asking about that. table.

[modern dust]

Well I submitted my final submission with 3 hours to go, this was my first game jam and overall it was extremely fun, I never coded for so long in one day and it was a bit of a challenge! Hope to be here when the next PyWeek game jam happens!

[shut gull]

nothing should break from 3.7+, though

[north ocean]

but how do oyu read tha ttable?

[shut gull]

wdym

[gilded dirge]

If you look in the “first release” column, you can see when each version was released

Thus, the “latest version of python” would be 3.9 as of now

[north ocean]

oh

[gusty lodge]

are we allowed to send a video of our games in this channel?

:0

[hot flume]

Yes! Definitely share your games, pictures of your games, videos of your games!

[gusty lodge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ud8DGxNYqk

:3333 checkout our game plws

[limpid heart]

You guys should have github coaches for the next event

steer us newbies in the right directiom

[hot flume]

This is something I'm toying with for the next code jam. What kind of info/coaching would you have liked to have?

[limpid heart]

a. setting up and a quick quick overview

and then if a coach would check in

and look at the repo and just be like

waht the hell are you doing!?!??!?!

beacsue we used no branches

well, yesterday Jeb started using em

but in general, best practices

I can read it, I've read a lot of it

but it doens't stick , and a bunch of idiots who don't know, don't know

[hot flume]

Haha, okay so like a "here's a quick dive and check-in for how to collaborate effectively" and have someone there to walk through it

[limpid heart]

Yep. maybe make a hello world

have everyone on a video call wathcing a leader who tells them to follow

branch it, commit, push, merge

everyone handles one of the PRs

everyone does eveyrthing at least once

in a super quick 15 minute session

I know it's never 15 minutes, but it should be

you need a parking lot, leeave people behind, leave resources behind to fill all questions in the parking lot

[gusty lodge]

we discussed a lil about using branches merges etc but

since it's just two us

x)

[hot flume]

What would you think of this being a thing that happens before the event? Like "hey people doing this event, join us for a crash course interactive use git session"?

[limpid heart]

yes

absolutely

in the month leading up

havel ike 4 - 8 sessions across time zones / days

maybe less

Gauge interest, you all know data

[hot flume]

I appreciate the feedback. I'll definitely look into doing this and see how we can set something like this up

[gusty lodge]

https://learngitbranching.js.org/ <- really nice tutorial for git branches

[limpid heart]

even a custom PyDis sponsored get it with git tutorial

[hot flume]

.bm #pyweek-game-jam message

[gusty lodge]

D:::: what's bm

[hot flume]

Bookmark! @umbral jetty sends me a link to the message in my DMs so I can look at it later

[limpid heart]

I mustsay I'm very happy to have decided to join the jam, and glad I ended up wit hthe team I got

well, the ones who stayed 🙂

[gusty lodge]

oh I thought bm is reporting bad manners x)))))

x)))

[hot flume]

Hahaha, I realized when you asked. But yeah, just a bookmark, a good thing!

[gusty lodge]

oki doks!

[hot flume]

@limpid heart I'm glad it was a fun event for you! :D

[onyx basin]

hello

my team-mate gave me the wrong username and password

is there another way to submit lmao

[lusty wasp]

Ask your teammate? You still have tomorrow to upload, assuming you already registered the entry. Why are you sharing username and password anyway?

Your teammate should just add your account to the entry

[deep crystal]

Would anybody like me to test their gane on Ubuntu?

[onyx basin]

he's gone to sleep

I was just going to upload through his account

do you mind I just email my file to a moderator?

that's pretty stupid of me

[lusty wasp]

You need to have both accounts added to the same entry or it will be ranked under the individual entries, rather than team entries.

[twilit canopy]

Does packaging to meet he run_game.py fall within the upload grace period?

[onyx basin]

oh

[twilit canopy]

Also, to make sure I understand correctly, if the entry is registered, we can still upload tomorrow, correct?

[lusty wasp]

@woeful tree can help but you still have tomorrow to upload.

[onyx basin]

do you mind if you add me personally so we can discuss this?

[lusty wasp]

Yes

[twilit canopy]

ok, great. I'm still going to need to do some packaging and testing of execution work

[lusty wasp]

The only one who can do this is @woeful tree

[twilit canopy]

I only have access to 1 OS at the moment

[onyx basin]

ahhhhh

okay

so

[twilit canopy]

And yeah, message mauve. I ran into some team issues and he helped me out.

[onyx basin]

i don't have it uploaded on the entry

oh fantastic, thanks

yeah

this was the first one i participated in i should of read over the procedures so woops

[lusty wasp]

If the entry is already registered though, you still have a whole day to fix the problem.

[onyx basin]

what do you mean by entry?

[lusty wasp]

What's your teammate username?

[onyx basin]

He said it was

game_developers

[lusty wasp]

I don't see that user on the PyWeek site

But if the entry was registered, no problem, your teammate can add your user account when they wake up and then you can upload it.

[onyx basin]

Sorry, can you try Ken Miles also?

I'm not sure what info he's given me

but

I'm really confused about it all also

I think I doubt him registering that username also

[deep crystal]

Here's all the entries: https://pyweek.org/31/entries/

[onyx basin]

oh haha

thanks

[lusty wasp]

109, wow

[onyx basin]

yeah

oh well

[limpid heart]

Meet the next sensation to rule the world

Defective:
  Dick
    Driver```
 is here
https://github.com/JesperKauppinen/DefectiveDickDriver

[valid prairie]

Mine requires 3.9.0 or later (cuz type hinting improvements and walrus operator)

@woeful tree I have been having trouble using the pyweek downloader. https://github.com/pyweekorg/cli/issues/2

Some SSL certificate error

[limpid heart]

maybe I'll upgrade, I actually removed the walrus from my project to support 3.7

I'm on 3.8.5 and had a walrus, but it went for the older support, what's another line

though fstrings must stay, so no 3.6

[shut gull]

we have a walrus

i did put in the readme "this was designed for 3.9" though

[valid prairie]

Yeah

I have lowercase dict and list annotations all over the place so only Python 3.9

[quick belfry]

10 minutes to go, how's everyone doing 👀

[valid prairie]

Great!

I'm done AFAIK

I was going to add some more SFX but I ran out of time

[slender igloo]

Just submitted my final. It's not good but it could possibly be described as a game.

[quick belfry]

Lol, I feel you

Time to get back to mine though lol

[deep crystal]

If anyone who has the latest Python version wants to test that my entry runs, I'd be grateful. https://pyweek.org/e/unifac31/

[slender igloo]

4 minutes to go!

[gilded dirge]

3 👀

2 👀

[raw sandal]

@deep crystal I can try... if you try ours later 🙂

[deep crystal]

Absolutely, I'd be happy to!

[valid prairie]

And I hope someone plays mine...

[pliant atlas]

I packaged my game with pyinstaller, do I just .zip it and submit?

[valid prairie]

But SSL error prevents me from downloading the games

You need to also include some sort of source

https://pyweek.readthedocs.io/en/latest/rules.html#final-submission

Your entry must include all code and data required for running, and instructions about how to run the entry.

[deep crystal]

You can also upload more than one version, one with the source and one that's just the executable.

[slender igloo]

Keyboards down, time is up. One day to submit.

[twilit canopy]

It's not good, but it's playable.

[hot flume]

Alright y'all, game development time is over

Check out #announcements for generally what happens next

[pliant atlas]

i need to figure out how to package this thing

:(

[unreal forge]

Well done everyone

[shut gull]

🎉🎉 🎉

[unreal forge]

Hope y'all survived

🥳

[pliant atlas]

🧁

[real eagle]

Good job everyone!

I'm looking forward to see your projects!

[hot flume]

I'll be working on making an announcement post in #816317565738942524 about judging, but y'all deserve a bit of a break (and also time to get your submissions submitted =P)

[pliant atlas]

man my game works in vscode but when i try to run exe it crashes

[valid prairie]

I just don’t exe

I tried it

And it crashed as well

[hot flume]

@pliant atlas how did you exe it?

[valid prairie]

I used PyInstaller (py2exe and pygame don’t work well together)

But Python crash

[pliant atlas]

pyinstaller

[hot flume]

What command did the two of you run for pyinstaller?

[pliant atlas]

pyinstaller --onefile -w 'copsplatformer.py'

[valid prairie]

Similar but I just went with the defaults for testing

[pliant atlas]

i followed the geekforgeeks tutorial

[valid prairie]

Just python -m PyInstaller run_game.py is what I did

[pliant atlas]

hm

In powershell?

[valid prairie]

Yes

That uses the defaults and if that doesn’t work, nothing will

I’d recommend trying that at least

[hot flume]

What specific errors are you getting? Is it when you try to launch the .exe?

[valid prairie]

I don’t remember

And yes it’s when I ran the exe

[pliant atlas]

When i launch the exe it opens cmd prompt but i cant see the error message because cmd closes

[valid prairie]

Launch it from cmd or ps

[pliant atlas]

How?

[hot flume]

@pliant atlas can you navigate in explorer to the game, in the explorer bar type "cmd" and then from the cmd window that pops up type the name of the exe?

[raw sandal]

Congratulations to all who entered

[valid prairie]

Do cd dist from Powershell

[pliant atlas]

I have to cd into 10 folders

[raw sandal]

@deep crystal your game works on win10 py 3.8 pygame 2.0.1 (not sure what the dependency it had)

[slender igloo]

Works great for me, looks like a fun game

[hot flume]

You can open a cmd window in the folder by navigating to it in windows explorer and typing "cmd" in the filelocation bar

[valid prairie]

Can you try my game? https://pyweek.org/e/Gaming32

[pliant atlas]

well yeah but to run the exe I have to cd a bunch

[real eagle]

Why not move the file…

[deep crystal]

@raw sandal @slender igloo Great, thank you both!

[pliant atlas]

oh

🤦

[valid prairie]

The file could be among other files it needs tho

Actually nvm

[pliant atlas]

It has 2 png files lol

[valid prairie]

I remember the exe worked for me

But it’s missing assets

[slender igloo]

Works for me

[hot flume]

Did you have a bundle/set-up script to specify which assets to include?

[real eagle]

@deep crystal I like the theme.

It's quite creative.

[valid prairie]

I just am not touching EXEs

Even though my game is literally called COP.EXE

[hot flume]

Haha, fair enough. But if y'all are more than welcome to use our help channels to try to get the exe bundling to work

[pliant atlas]

👍

[valid prairie]

Question: why didn’t Joe do pyweek?

[hot flume]

Joe was busy with other stuff and didn't have the time

[valid prairie]

Ah ok

[hot flume]

Oh hey! My admin color is back!

[valid prairie]

The aaaaAAAA team role was moved down in the hierarchy it seems

[deep crystal]

What's your PyWeek handle? I'd be happy to test out your entry if I can.

[dreamy tapir]

how do i upload my entry?

[valid prairie]

Go to your entry page on https://pyweek.org and click on Upload File

[twilit canopy]

@woeful tree i'm getting the same issue that this person did: the repo name is getting marked as invalid

[hot flume]

What repo are you entering?

[dreamy tapir]

how do i upload a repo?

[valid prairie]

I created an issue as well: https://github.com/pyweekorg/pyweekorg/issues/76

[twilit canopy]

https://github.com/Deli-Slicer/CatBurglar

[hot forge]

hello!

congratulations for surviving the week and all

[hot flume]

You can "download" all files as a zip and then upload the zip

[dreamy tapir]

ohhhhhhhhhhh ok

[hot flume]

@twilit canopy can you screenshot what you're entering and the error appearing?

[dreamy tapir]

https://github.com/Icode-python/pyweekGameJam

thats my game :D

i made a doom clone XD

but with cops

[twilit canopy]

nvm, can't put the HTTP in it. my bad.

i was putting the URL as a whole into it

not just the github repo

[hot flume]

@twilit canopy I'll make a note to make the instructions a bit clearer

[valid prairie]

Line 27 of pyweek/challenge/views/entry.py:

GITHUB_REGEX = (
    r'^[A-Za-z\d](?:[A-Za-z\d]|-(?=[A-Za-z\d])){0,38}/'
    r'[A-Za-z\d](?:[A-Za-z\d]|-(?=[A-Za-z\d])){0,38}$'
)

[twilit canopy]

I think you can change the style of the default hint text to make the text a bit darker too

i didn't see it at first because of one of my monitors is terrible

[limpid heart]

so how are py strangers and rookies
Supposed to keep code legible?

So many parts feel like duct tape

Or is that all part of hte fun, and then you can do an autopsy after and see if the frankenbeast deserves another shot at life?

[twilit canopy]

Don't feel bad about a game's code being kind of weird, especially during a game jam. Remember, fallout 3 implemented a vehicle as a hat.

This shipped in an actual game.

[limpid heart]

if it works, ship

[twilit canopy]

Yeah

[limpid heart]

I mean, look at CP77... anything can ship

[twilit canopy]

Also one of the wing commander games had a segfault in it on exit or something

instead of fixing it, they "fixed" it by editing the error message to say "Thank you for playing!"

[real eagle]

If it works,

[dreamy tapir]

do i have to publish my game to pypi?

[real eagle]

No, you don't.

[dreamy tapir]

ok then im not doing that lol

this is my game if anyone wants to play it

https://github.com/Icode-python/DOOMCOPS

[slender igloo]

https://pyweek.org/e/10BitCoder/ thanks!

[dreamy tapir]

its a 1990 style fps

made in pygame

[valid prairie]

You need to submit it to https://pyweek.org

[deep crystal]

Okay I posted a reply to the diary entry. The game is crashing for me, but I think it's a pyglet issue. I haven't been able to track it down yet, though.

[twilit canopy]

So pyweek.org recommends a rungame.py file. What do we do if we built the project around installation as a module with setup.py and then running a named command?

[valid prairie]

add a run_game.py with subprocess

[twilit canopy]

that doesn't seem very reasonable imo

i think what i'm asking is whether it's ok to require people to do something like the following:

$ pip install -e .
$ gamename

[valid prairie]

Then add the info to the README

[twilit canopy]

Is it reasonable to expect users to be able to use pip?

and setup a virtual env?

[valid prairie]

Yes

Remember the players are the other developers who entered

[twilit canopy]

I thought it should be but I also thought I should double check because I'm at a point in my life where I get annoyed if something doesn't have vim bindings and after a bit of reflection, I've decided that's a sign I might be out of touch with beginners.

Bug fixes for path and other issues discovered during packaging and testing don't count as game development, correct?

[valid prairie]

I believe so

[twilit canopy]

hmm

I'm having trouble getting pyinstaller to work

[valid prairie]

I believe fixing platform and packaging bugs don’t count as development

[slender igloo]

Thanks for trying it, it might require pyglet 1.5

[slender igloo]

Some might not be programmers though they might be artists/designers/musicians but the run_game.py is only a suggestion but you should put instructions in your README

[valid prairie]

True yes

[karmic scroll]

@deep crystal - @raw sandal mentioned you would graciously try our game on Linux. It's up on https://pyweek.org/e/GD/ . Looking forward to your thumb, up or down. Thank you, sir. 🙂

[slender igloo]

It's not working for me on Ubuntu, what's the best place to report the error?

[karmic scroll]

If it's a problem with downloading and untar-ing, there's a message board thread here: https://pyweek.org/d/7153/#comment-14370

If there's a problem running the game, we'll need the log file in the game root dir, please.

@slender igloo 👆

[limpid heart]

https://pyweek.org/d/7247/#14372 what? Did yall know you can customize ring tones?

This is lifechanging stuff

there's just random ads for foreign ringtones? What the actual... like...people profit form this, in 2021? On a programmer focused site?

Is this what happens when bot prevention isn't strong enough? They seek any place on the internet to post?

There must be more profitable scams...

[median crest]

what

[quasi stag]

ohhh

[limpid heart]

check the link, it's no the only post either. Just a VERY strange thing to see, the way it's written, they're selling us on ring tones... in 2021 like it's 1999

next they're gonna sell us ringback tones

[karmic scroll]

It's spam. The curator is trying to figure out how to deal with it.

[gilded ivy]

How do I submit a game? Do I need an account? I can only login, not make an account.

[limpid heart]

I don't think you can register after the event ends

registration was open from ~45 days IIRC before the event through the end

[gilded ivy]

Says I have 20 hours to upload.

Oh you have to register before?

[limpid heart]

yes, registered participants have 20 hours to upload

Yes, you should have registered last month

could have registered 2 months ago

could have registered 4 hours and four minutes ago

[shut gull]

probably should have registered before it started

[twilit canopy]

it might be an april fool's joke tha was posted a day late

[limpid heart]

They posted a link in the Ursina discord to a 1.2 mb download 🤷 it might be the game. I don't dl unknown links like that - zip from mediafire

[twilit canopy]

@limpid heart what OS are you on?

[limpid heart]

linux

[twilit canopy]

do you have a pyweek entry? if so, would you be up for trading testing in a bit once I get install instructions up?

I'm on Win 10

[limpid heart]

I do have an entry

my first game ever

well, I made tic tac toe

a while back

hangman too now that I Think about it

[twilit canopy]

for this pyweek?

[limpid heart]

no

[twilit canopy]

ah

[limpid heart]

Defective:
  Dick Driver``` for pyweek

it's an epic tale about a broken soul

Longing to fulfill his destiny

https://pyweek.org/e/pygs/

[slender igloo]

Works for me Ubuntu 20.04 base, python 3.8

[twilit canopy]

I'm about to take a look at your game. I just finished writing the readme and pyweek page for mine. https://pyweek.org/e/DeliSlicer/

[twilit canopy]

@slender igloo i'd appreciate it if you could give mine a look

also link yours if you want

and I can look at it after Gnabergasher's

@limpid heart

xmlrpc.client.Fault: <Fault -32500: "RuntimeError: PyPI's XMLRPC API is currently disabled due to unmanageable load and will be deprecated in the near future. See https://status.python.org/ for more information.">

uhhh

trying to install ursina and pip search is giving this result

[slender igloo]

It's been like that for a while pip install ursina will get you what you need

[deep crystal]

@twilit canopy I tried following the install instructions on Ubuntu and got CatBurglar: command not found on step 6. I can message you the output of the rest of the steps if you like.

[twilit canopy]

yes please

what OS are you on?

If it's linux i can try to spin up a VM

[deep crystal]

Ubuntu 20.04.

[twilit canopy]

can you try running catburglar?

[deep crystal]

Okay, yes, that worked! Thanks!

[twilit canopy]

ok, I need to update my documentation then. ty for catching that!

it's not a very good game, but it's good to know it runs on other systems.

[deep crystal]

Game seems to run correctly after that.

Well thanks for the detailed setup instructions!

[twilit canopy]

Someone pointed out that some of the people participating might be artists and musicians rather than programmers so I figured I should include detailed ones.

[slender igloo]

@twilit canopy if you want a run_game.py for your root dir this works for me and doesn't require installing CatBurglar
`import CatBurglar.main

CatBurglar.main.main()`
then run python run_game.py

[twilit canopy]

people still need to have arcade installed though, right?

[slender igloo]

Yes

[twilit canopy]

I guess I could add a run_game.py but using setup.py takes care of all dependencies.

[slender igloo]

Good point

[twilit canopy]

I used it rather than pipenv or poetry or whatever since it ships with python.

[slender igloo]

Anyway, it seems to run smoothly for me, here's mine if you want to take a look https://pyweek.org/e/10BitCoder/

[twilit canopy]

run_game.py is traditional for pyweek but it doesn't take care of installing dependencies

there might be a way of doing that programmatically through python but i think it's kind of convoluted if it exists

[slender igloo]

That's true, I just put a requirements.txt in mine

[twilit canopy]

I am getting some really weird behavior under Windows 10.

It tries to switch my desktop resolution for some reason

and alt-tabbing / being on multiple monitors does some weird things

Also it looks like there's a red layer over the menu that makes it hard to read

and some of the buttons don't seem to work

im impressed that 3d works this well in python though

[twilit canopy]

i'll look at this next

[twilit canopy]

It runs, but there are errors on exit

[raw sandal]

hi @slender igloo thanks for testing. Do you also have a second log file? I'm looking for the log named: run.OO.py.log

In the log you sent @karmic scroll I see that the subprocess exists with code 1... no idea what it is but its an error

Please get in touch.

[hybrid granite]

Start taking a look at submissions, testing them, playing them, and judging!
@lusty wasp can you send me your submission link? I wanna test it out

that screenshot made me interested

[lusty wasp]

@hybrid granite https://pyweek.org/e/fizzle/

We'll upload executables sometime today

[valid glade]

how do you submit an entry

[sly oyster]

Red was on purpose ( too much hmm) but the desktop res chances probably because we made that its default 720p and that can cause some weirdness for others...

It says we have the 24h time, can we change any code during that like very simple resolution bug fix?

[valid glade]

Some one pls tell me how to submit an entry
i cant find any thing

[sly oyster]

I ques u cant any more

[sly oyster]

actually this is light but same effect

help

i wonder why pip install auto-py-to-exe doesnt work. it creates the exe file but cant run it

[indigo comet]

id prefer pyinstaller

though it would be better to make a pip package out of it

[hybrid granite]

aight.

We're obliged to upload as executable files?

what about .zip?

[lusty wasp]

Not obliged.

It's just optional if you want to make it easier for some people.

[hybrid granite]

hmm.

thanks

[hot forge]

Yeah, it's nice if you want everyone to play it, but not required

[hybrid granite]

let me see.

[hot forge]

(It's easy to forget that not everyone taking part in pyweek is actually coding python... some of us are just useful idiots doing other things :) )

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[valid glade]

i am getting this error Invalid entry *short* name
how do i fix it
i am using the script that pyweek gives

[hot forge]

Like, this is what I was doing all week :)

[hybrid granite]

looks niiice

[hot forge]

(our game is very pastel)

[real eagle]

That looks nice!

[hot forge]

I did what I could :)

That's kinda what game jams are about though, you don't get time to do ideal stuff, you gotta just make do, get something that works, and move along

[real eagle]

Exactly

[valid glade]

please can you tell me how you submitted the entry
i cant find anything

[hybrid granite]

goto your entry

and click "upload file"

its straightforward after that point

[valid glade]

how to make an entry?

[hybrid granite]

you didn't make it before?

I can't see the option idk sorry

[valid glade]

no i didnt

so i messed up?

[hot forge]

You might need to contact whoever's running the event directly to get grandfathered into the entry list at this point

I think new entries shut at the deadline

[hybrid granite]

yeah the time is over

[valid glade]

i suck

[hybrid granite]

The dates of this challenge are are 00:00 UTC March 28, 2021 to 00:00 UTC April 4, 2021.

[hot forge]

the front page has a contact for Daniel Pope who is ostensibly running the jam. if you email him and explain, and give him your entry name and username he can probably manually add you.

(I'm guessing, not guaranteed)

[e-mail]

[hybrid granite]

I decided to bundle python and the libraries into the folder

how can I put the pygame library into a folder and import from there?

nvm nvm I think I got it

No I dont think I got it

pls help. edit: I decided to add instructions to the readme.dm to install pygame

[lusty wasp]

@valid glade message @woeful tree

[sacred marsh]

A little teaser of our entry: https://youtu.be/n3x6OffpwGA

[hybrid granite]

its awesome!! I played it 2 mins ago

really cool. Didn't know something like that could even be made within a WEEK

💯

[pallid perch]

Yeah that's cool for a week's worth of development.

very retro

[hybrid granite]

I'd still be astonished if it were made within a month.

but damn!

[pallid perch]

I like Ahdok's art so I am excited to see their team's game.

Does pyweek reoccur every x amount of weeks or what?

[lusty wasp]

@pallid perch it's semi-annual, so, roughly every 26 weeks.

[pallid perch]

that's cool, thanks

[pliant atlas]

Is it ok if I just submit my .py file and pictures? I swear pyinstaller hates me

[valid prairie]

Absolutely

You need to do that anyway

[lusty wasp]

@hybrid granite I think that's you in the #1 spot on our leaderboard? 😛

We reset the dev scores after we uploaded the binary, maybe we'll beat yours soon enough again

[hybrid granite]

yeah

ANK is me!

[lusty wasp]

👍

[hot forge]

:D

[hybrid granite]

4th 5th and 6th as well

[hot forge]

Maybe I should add to the game description that all the art is hand-drawn on paper :D

[hybrid granite]

also... only 3 characters?

[lusty wasp]

It's part of the retro appeal

[hybrid granite]

hmm.

[hot forge]

(that's why it looks all textured, it's colour pencil work, rather than digital colouring)

But a lot of this happened this way because of the theme, which we were pretty worried about. We wanted to avoid anything heated or divisive

So that's why it's like a very Beatrix Potter / storybook / light theming, where failure is more like "I'm telling your parents, oh no!" and success is "yay I snaffled an apple"

the drawings had to match that tone, so this is a game with almost no digitally made assets

[pallid perch]

aww Beatrix Potter being mentioned reminded me Beverly Cleary just died

[hot forge]

:(

[pallid perch]

I like games with hand-drawn art and stuff.

Do you know "The Dream Machine" by Cockroach, Inc

?

I love that game.

[hot forge]

I do not, but I'm looking at screenshots

that kinda puppet-style is a style that's always been beyond me

[limpid heart]

I couldn't win but I tried, no bugs encountered, I'm just no good at these games. I love the story, STONKS! Was Harambe the inspiration?

[hot forge]

it's surprisingly difficult to do well

[limpid heart]

check out parapa the rapper

[hot forge]

the screenshots put me in mind of a fairly well known game called machinarium as well, which more of a flat style, but also super pretty

now parapa the rapper I know well :D

[pallid perch]

I love machinarium too

[hot forge]

I love rhythm action games

I always wanted to make one for pyweek but boy that's a high bar

[pallid perch]

I played Amanita games back when they did Flash games

[hot forge]

rhythm action games need a lot of playtesting to "feel right" - and you need your music to be ready very early

[limpid heart]

do you? Doesn't it just tie to the EQ?

[hot forge]

I've made stepmania tracks and stuff, and they always feel like the timing is off

[pallid perch]

It'd be interesting to do programmatic music for the game.

[limpid heart]

although it's never as simple as it sounds, and EQ Is the wrong word, but hte unvisualized visualizer

[hot forge]

with real or recorded music, part of the issue is that the "beat" isn't... perfectly uniform. most songs have pertubations in the beat... a bar might be slightly faster or slower. maybe 1 or 2 bpm

so like a couple percent

but if the music has that in it, you can't make it feel good

because if you keep a perfectly uniform beat for input, then the input has to not match where the note is by a few ms

and if you tweak every required input for where the note is (i.e. "match the EQ") then your entries are suddenly not uniformly spaces, and that also feels wrong

so to make a good rhythm action game the first step is writing tracks that are perfectly aligned to a beat... which means essentially crafting your audio tracks from scratch (or finding people who made digital music where it probably matches the beat)

so like... that's fine if you're just making a rhythm game with your own music... and you've got a few months to make it :D

[pallid perch]

Just make a plot point that the band is robots

[hot forge]

but well... you're basically looking at having a dedicated composer who can make a few tracks in a week.

[pallid perch]

then as a complication later on you can have like a squeaky robot so the beat isn't completely quantized

[hot forge]

its' generally more difficult than you think to make a game where your inputs need to "feel good" for the game to really work

[pallid perch]

sound like a lot of work to me

lol

[hot forge]

so, platformers are a good example - platformers need extensive playtesting and balancing to make the character feel nice to move around

[pallid perch]

I swear I type letters that don't show up with this keyboard.

[hot forge]

and when you've got that, you need extensive level design practice to make a level that's fun to run through etc.

[pallid perch]

right

but pyweek, full steam ahead

[hot forge]

yeah