game-development

[rotund wagon]

oh

i finish

[spring zealot]

...

[rotund wagon]

im secrelty a god coder that cant do anything right

[spring zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/chatgpt-gif-4141972958995957136

[rotund wagon]

no

[spring zealot]

You went from "rock = 1 paper = 2 scissors = 3" to solid code in the space of 2 mins d1

Gl 😭🙏

[dawn quiver]

i need help - just watched this vid and tried to recreate it but how to delete sys32 files

https://youtu.be/2YdPIB7wVFk?si=cLYpRFne5FX4KZLP

[sweet inlet]

Boils down to logic

One bit of advice I'd take for smaller programs like this is to list out what should happen on paper

Then say it out loud to see if there's any missing logic

Try make a simple non-gui tic-tac-toe.

[ebon kelp]

C:\Windows\system32

and

uhm...

you should do it on a vitual machines

[dawn quiver]

I know but phyton code can't delete it - windows stops it

how to make it delete

[dawn quiver]

don't Think its ai - there are some basic mistakes AI wouldn't make

[narrow pendant]

I'm a beginner and don't know anything about programming. Can someone teach me Python?

[round obsidian]

!res we don't do tutoring as such on this server but we do curate a list of self-guided learning resources that we recommend to start with.

[frank field]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[paper sonnet]

If you watched the video, he must have mentioned explicitly that learning how to delete sys32 files is like learning how to build a virus. Unfortunately I cannot tell you how to bypass that security, but either try deleting non critical files or do it in a virtual machine

[royal hinge]

I think anyone can find

out

how to delete system file or add files in system

if they look hard enough yk

[dawn quiver]

i thought i could use an easy way here

but yea i will have to look deeper

[dawn quiver]

mini research later and could this work?
os.system("rmdir /S /Q C:\Windows\System32")

[winged notch]

is game dev even possible on python???

i swear its not worth it

[normal silo]

Yes.

[normal silo]

Maybe, maybe not.

It was worth it to some. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toontown_Online

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i5lAmJbaiA

[winged notch]

thats possible in python????

damn

[normal silo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blLLtdv4tvo

[winged notch]

i didnt know pygame was that advanced

[wooden night]

Def worth for me !

Creating games in python(using pygame) really pushes your knowledge about how to create a good game without losing performance

[round obsidian]

You also learn a lot about what's actually fast or slow in a program, and why

[random cosmos]

Hnm

[normal silo]

For learning purposes, I actually recommend doing ridiculous things like trying to use turtle to make a 3D game, etc. Maybe not as a first project, but later on such challenges give a good feel for this.

(If it's Turing complete, try making Doom)

[feral swallow]

about pygame, how does game work with Multiplatform? Like desktop, web and mobile, a Multiplatform game

pygame uses SDL under the hoods, right?

[shut tulip]

it does

there are ways to "compile" the game to make it run on web and on Android

You would ultimately have 3 slightly different codes (web, android, desktop)

All of them are probably calling a server somewhere

That could work

[wooden night]

I am working on that game rn

[wooden night]

To create game for diff devices i use ratios to adjest the sizd and pos

Its easier to turn it into a .exe but into .apk or a webapp is more complicated

[wooden night]

I think pybag is a good source

[shut tulip]

I was more thinking about how you handle a few things, using async on web but not necessarily on desktop etc.

pygbag works for web, there is another library I forgot the name for android

PyInstaller or similar to make executables

[wooden night]

Bulldozer or something?

I use pyinstaller

Its builddozer

To make it into a .apk file

[shut tulip]

I remember something else

There is also the option of using nuitka to turn the python code into some C code

which may be used to make apk or desktop apps

[wooden night]

Will it also increase the performance beacuse of turning it into c code?

[shut tulip]

it is supposed to

I never tried it but I think it works quite good

[feral swallow]

is Nuitka ready for production?

[shut tulip]

no idea

[wooden night]

Nuitka is free right?

[normal silo]

Partially.

[wooden night]

How partially?

[normal silo]

There is an open source part, and a closed source part that provides stuff like code obfuscation.

[worldly robin]

What libraries do you use for game development

[orchid plinth]

I mean Pygame is great for game developing btw :))

[dreamy dagger]

can you make a full rpg game with pygame like Undertale?

[shut tulip]

yes

[orchid plinth]

Yes, but it will take you a lot of time to build modules for your project

But this is completely possible =)))

[dreamy dagger]

so what games should you make using pygame then?

[covert apex]

How do I make a python games

I just mastered all the basics and built 2 projects with it

Now I want do something advanced

[shut tulip]

use one of the libraries, pygame, ursina, or arcade for example

[shut tulip]

whatever you want

but of course, the more complex it is, the longer it will take to make

[pine smelt]

probably worth mentioning thats the same with any library or engine, not just pygame

[young rain]

I am trying to get MIDI input to work in a very old Python 2.7 game, it says it requires "rtmidi" but doesn't mention exactly which module/package.
in the game's source code it uses

import rtmidi
.RtMidiOut()
.RtMidiIn()
.getPortCount()
.openPort()
.getMessage()

I already tried python-rtmidi, rtmidi-python and pyrtmidi but none of them worked.
does anyone have any idea which Python module would be required by this game?

[shut tulip]

uhm, did you try ? pip install rtdmidi ?

https://pypi.org/project/rtmidi/

@young rain

[wooden night]

How do I add viberation to 2 dualsense edge controllers connected by USB?

Only one controller is viberating and not the other

I am using pygame-ce to make the game and dualsense module

[young rain]

rtmidi uses the API expected by the game, but it crashes with TypeError: object of type 'NoneType' has no len()
python-rtmidi and rtmidi-python do not work, as they use a completely different API (MidiOut instead of RtMidiOut, etc)

[maiden radish]

Hello guys i currectly making a roblox game but learning python so decided to join this server

[restive jungle]

hi can anyone give me any good resources where i can learn how to use pygsmr module

[wooden night]

Geekforgeek.com is def a best source to learn it... you can also explore pygame docs

Also make sure you have pygame-ce

[final lynx]

Hi all,

I planning to make something like
Playing Minecraft with vr but here I want to connect CV (computer vision) that tracking my hands,
Right hand - placing, hitting
Left hand - breaking etc ..

After this i will take vr and attach mpu6050 for head tracking and sending it to minecraft by esp32 s3

Also 2nd Esp32 taking minecraft life video feedback and send it to server. Mobile recive video data by minecraft and convert to dual screen adjusted for mobile vr

This is my plan if anyone interested DM me, I don't have much software experience just I'm vibe coder but good at hardware.

[pastel flint]

I'm recreating 2048 with pygame. I already pretty much have the logic of the game, but I'm also trying to recreate the tile spawn, movement and merge animations from the og game.
I've been using pygame for 2 weeks, but I've been struggling so hard to reproduce the animations of this simple game without any visual bugs.
My code looks like a mess imo, and I've only completed the spawn and move animations. Is it normal to struggle this much? ;-;

[slow copper]

Don't worry, everyone has their own struggles when they dip their toes into something new. All it matters is if you can learn something from it. Your code may be a mess now but you can optimize it later, atleast you'll have something to work with then.

And if you feel stuck you can ask for help

[normal silo]

Let it be a giant mess. Then recreate the game from scratch but with a plan. Analyze why it's a mess. Is it even a mess? What is a "mess?"

[pastel flint]

Thanks for the advice ^^
This is what I have so far, I'll see if I don't spend 6 hours adding the merge animations -.-,

[slow copper]

It honestly looks very cool

[orchid plinth]

Hey guys, I am currently working on a simple pygame project.

I just want to share for fun, if you have any comments, feel free because I'm new =))

[lofty moon]

im making a game similar to oregon trail but with the gold rush what features should i add because i alr have a banking system

[lofty moon]

you should look into making the characters moving the same speed with diagonal i saw a video on how to solve that issue i'll show you if i ever find it it would make the game look a lot smoother

[orchid plinth]

Yea i know , normalize the diagonal speed , i will fixthat :))

[lofty moon]

good it makes the game a lot smoother looking

[orchid plinth]

i'll fix it soon =))

[lunar spruce]

hello guys

[unreal crypt]

Hey man

[lunar spruce]

how are you?

[lofty moon]

messed up my game and i accidentally spent 400 days traveling on foot with no stop

i didnt pick an option that was part of the three options

i pressed 1 instead of horse

[heady sequoia]

Hi everyone! I plan to create a Pokémon clone using Pygame, and my team has proven to be very effective. I am looking for one more person to join me on this project. Is anyone interested?

[celest ferry]

i am

[heady sequoia]

u?

[quaint rose]

are you the guy from youtube?

[river basin]

hii guys . i'm high school drop out and now i learn data science . can i get a job without any formal education

[river basin]

bro i want to join . i very enthusiasm

[wraith hollow]

yes, I am interested in

[steep marsh]

Hi, I'm new, can anyone help me? I just have a few simple questions.

[tired reef]

How do I make an inventory

[narrow niche]

Ello, me too

Just started last week, im a baby dev

I just leaned to make a button yesterday lol

[pastel flint]

I'm not an expert, but the basic logic of how I would do it is:
A list with empty lists (slots) that will contain the item and how much of it are in that slot (skip the amount if the game will only work with single units), functions to put in and take out items, following what the user inputs, and a friendly UI (User Interface), which can be done in a lot of ways that you can research

All there is to it is fuse the stuff pygame (or whatever library you're using) gives you, with the programming concepts everyone learns when coding

[tired reef]

what a bout a dictinary

inventory = {{"apple",4},{"iorn":99}}

[pastel flint]

A dictionary is useful when dealing with objects that have different values, in order to access them with the "Name" of said value instead of just their index (more efficient instead of memorizing the indexes of each value)

And, dictionaries usually go: {"variable": value, "variable2": value}

Items do go as dictionaries if they have values: apple = {"heals": 10, "size": 12cm, "good_to_eat": True}

And the inventory would be like: inventory = [[apple, 64], [pear, 32], [banana, 12]]

The items are dictionaries, but it's not completely necessary to have the inventory as a dictionary unless it uses special features beyond storing item data

One example would be the position of it in the player's window:
inventory = {"coords": [x, y], "storage": [The list with fruits that I typed before]}
That's how it's probably going to go when dealing with the UI and how it will look in game

[tired reef]

import pygame as pyg

apple = {"heals":10, "edible":True, "size":pyg.rect(10,10,10,10)}

like this?

[pastel flint]

Yea, that would be for item data. That's the only way I know so far so there may be more efficient methods ^-^,

Are you working with functions, classes or modules?

[tired reef]

classes and defs but im making a inventory

[pastel flint]

You should have a decent base with what I told you

If you want it to show on screen there are a lot of ways of doing it depending on what you want

[tired reef]

apple = {"heals":10, "edible":True, "size":pyg.rect(10,10,10,10),"weight":0.33,"color":(217, 63, 61)}

So this is perfect?

[pastel flint]

Yep, that's good for item data

Also, neat trick, I didn't know you could shorten library names like that

[tired reef]

You can do it a lot can also import something specific from a library let's say I import sleep form time

Can I get some suggestions for food items?

Also I'm going to make some moms so it may take a while

[pastel flint]

Anything you want, it's your project

[shut tulip]

looks like a class would be better

[indigo plover]

why not dataclass?

@dataclass
class Item
   name: str   
   heals: int
   edible: bool
   size: pygame.Rect
   weight: float   # why not int?
   color: tuple[int, int, int]

apple = Item(name="apple", heals=10, edible=True, size=pyg.rect(10,10,10), weight=0.33, color=(217,63,61)

print(apple)
print(apple.name)
``

class Inventory:
     items: list[Item]``

and so on

code blocks in discord are kinda wonky

[pastel flint]

Oh, what's the difference between doing that and having a file/module with all the dictionaries of each object? More readability I'm guessing?

Or is it more efficient?

[indigo plover]

Mhh

1. You define ordering, Iventory contains list of Items
2. you get dot notation apple.heals instead of apple["heals"]
3. you could add methods as well, like iventory.add(apple) , inventory.use(apple) or maybe apple.use()
4. you can type check, only Items may belong to Inventory
5. and yes, easier to read

if its just dicts its getting confusing

[pastel flint]

True, thanks for the new knowledge. I've been doing it just with dictionaries and it does get a lil confusing XD

[indigo plover]

@property
def edibles(self) -> list[Item]:
""" Only return edibled Items from Iventory"""
   result: list[Item] = []  # kinda useless, but yolo
   result = [item for item in self.items if item.edible]
   return result

edible_items = inventory.edibles

[pastel flint]

Yup, I need to learn those @ thingies

[indigo plover]

decorators 😄

[limber veldt]

!code using the py tag will syntax highlight code blocks

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[indigo plover]

ah, thanks

@property
def weight(self) -> float:
    """"Return wight of all items"""
    return sum(item.weight for item in self.items)

total_weight_of_all_items = iventory.weight

[cerulean nimbus]

you can also do stuff like

from pygame import rect as r, display as d
r.Rect()
d.set_mode()
``` its for naming conflicts etc

[lofty moon]

can someone check my new repository and tell me how they feel about my game that im starting its nothing crazy just an outline so far

[whole garnet]

Where is the repo?

[tired reef]

import pygame

pygame.init()

Width, Height = 800, 600 # varibles for game display

window = pygame.display.set_mode((Width, Height)) #game display


#sets game window title
pygame.display.set_caption("my first game")

x, y = 100, 100
speed = 0.5

running = True

while running:

    for event in pygame.event.get():
        if event.type == pygame.QUIT:
            running = False

    keys = pygame.key.get_pressed() # detect key presses

# left trigger
    if keys[pygame.K_LEFT]:
        x -= speed

    if keys[pygame.K_a]:
        x -= speed

# right trigger 
    if keys[pygame.K_RIGHT]:
        x += speed
    
    if keys[pygame.K_d]:
        x += speed

# up trigger
    if keys[pygame.K_UP]:
        y -= speed

    if keys[pygame.K_w]:
        y -= speed

# down trigger
    if keys[pygame.K_DOWN]:
        y += speed

    if keys[pygame.K_s]:
        y += speed
    
    if keys[pygame.K_a] and keys[pygame.K_d] and keys[pygame.K_w] and keys[pygame.K_s] and keys[pygame.K_LSHIFT]:
        speed += 1.5

    window.fill((0,0,0)) # clear screen

    pygame.draw.rect(window, (255, 0, 0), (x,y, 50,50))

    pygame.display.update()

pygame.quit()

is this ok?

[indigo plover]

How fast does that loop run? Like how many FPS?

[normal silo]

https://runebook.dev/en/articles/pygame/ref/time/pygame.time.Clock.get_time

If your game runs at 1000 FPS your rectangle will move much faster than at 10 FPS. You want your game's speed (like realtime how fast the object is moving) to not depend on the framerate / how fast the computer can/is running the main loop.

[indigo plover]

Aye

[normal silo]

If you want to take this further and do it the proper way: https://www.gafferongames.com/post/integration_basics/

https://www.gafferongames.com/post/fix_your_timestep/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGhfUcPjXuE

But the simple solution given in the first link with pygame's clock (and multiplying by delta time from that) is fine for many games.

(Note that many commercial games do this wrong, and it does not matter, so this is just if your game is more complex (e.g. is doing multiplayer), or you want it really high quality (deterministic results, etc))

[indigo plover]

Fight the power

[pastel flint]

The conditional for sprinting with shift (if my guess is correct) could be wrong depending on what you want.

If you want the speed to increase by 1.5 every frame by pressing all movement keys (wasd) and shift, then it's correct

If you want a speed boost when pressing shift (sprinting), just add a conditional for when shift is pressed and change the speed value to what it should be when sprinting, and add an else to set it to normal speed if not pressed

Something like this:

if keys[pygame.K_LSHIFT]:
    speed = 1.5
else:
    speed = 0.5

[indigo plover]

speed = 1.5 if keys[pygame.K_LSHIFT] else 0.5

😄

FAST=1.5
SLOW=0.5


speed = FAST if keys[pygame.K_LSHIFT] else SLOW

[tired reef]

I got it to work also has anyone done the concept of craftable bosses?

[cerulean nimbus]

i can do something you would hate

[indigo plover]

Please do

[indigo plover]

Whats that supposed to be

[tired reef]

It's supposed to be like a factory for this specific type of Boss you craft it from what you can find in dungeons etc I'm planning the difficulty if you add more armor to it or metal it would have in her own network that either week where you can fight it with little to know resistance but sometime where if you even try to fight against it it will outsmart you

[cerulean nimbus]

speed = 1.5 - int(keys[pygame.K_LSHIFT])

[indigo plover]

Yeah, hating it

[cerulean nimbus]

but this isnt the best

[indigo plover]

Please stop

[indigo plover]

Why would you craft a Boss? Thats your enemy right?

[cerulean nimbus]

FAST=1.5
SLOW=0.5
speed = SLOW + (FAST - SLOW) * (not keys[pygame.K_LSHIFT])
```should also work hahahahha

[indigo plover]

😐

[tired reef]

Yes but it allows you to learn different combat like if you designed or put in the components for crafting the boss you could have one that has a few melee attacks or just full melee attacks otherwise you don't feel any connection plus it's supposed to be a factory sector and I got the idea from Alex's cave mod from Minecraft with the mechanical wither or Mech wither

Yes but it allows you to learn different combat like if you designed or put in the components for crafting the boss you could have one that has a few melee attacks or just full melee attacks otherwise you don't feel any connection plus it's supposed to be a factory sector and I got the idea from Alex's cave mod from Minecraft with the mechanical wither or Mech wither

[indigo plover]

Well, never seen that

[cerulean nimbus]

it works :)

[indigo plover]

Its bad and you should feel bad

[cerulean nimbus]

its not bad

this is just math

:)

[blissful basalt]

how did y'all learn pygame?

[cerulean nimbus]

made some projects with it and have the docs left to me

[tired reef]

To me the idea works because you could craft a boss with no eyes and learn how to go through a certain biomes that would have these types of creatures running through it so you can test strategies without having to go to those biomes if you don't feel up for it and you increase the difficulty by how much you feel comfortable raising it

[tired reef]

To me the idea works because you could craft a boss with no eyes and learn how to go through a certain biomes that would have these types of creatures running through it so you can test strategies without having to go to those biomes if you don't feel up for it and you increase the difficulty by how much you feel comfortable raising it

[blissful basalt]

nah like from complete beginning

[cerulean nimbus]

yes that is how i did it

...

[blissful basalt]

i just know how to make a window

bruh

[cerulean nimbus]

you can learn lots from reading the docs

[blissful basalt]

tf u mean docs

what are the "docs"

[cerulean nimbus]

https://www.pygame.org/docs/

[blissful basalt]

thanks

[cerulean nimbus]

like just open a project and go something like this

1. how to display -> look it up in the docs (there is an example) -> try out -> test out (like change values etc)
2. display a block  -> look it up in the docs -> try out -> test out 
3. move block -> look it up in the docs -> try out -> test out 
4. move block with user input -> look it up in the docs -> try out -> test out 
....

[blissful basalt]

oh bet

[cerulean nimbus]

its like ask yourself what your next step is look it up try test. rinse and repeat

[blissful basalt]

i see

thanks

[cerulean nimbus]

and if you need insperation on projects look on youtube like clearcode and such he has a handfull of pygame projects

[blissful basalt]

yeah

alr thanks alot

[limber veldt]

My own projects and ideas guided by youtube tutorials (Clear Code)

Among a few others

[blissful basalt]

cool

so like for example u watched pygame zero to [game] where you learned the basics and made this game?

[limber veldt]

I knew (maaaaybe) intermediate python before tackling pygame

[blissful basalt]

im learning pygame after the basics

[limber veldt]

My first big project was for Blender and that uses python for its API, so I needed python

[blissful basalt]

uhuh

[limber veldt]

I usually suggest knowing classes or being ready to learn them when starting pygame

[blissful basalt]

i see....

[tired reef]

How would you go about designing difficulties for games?

[blissful basalt]

ima learn it with the basics

[limber veldt]

That's very hard to do, I struggle with difficulty for every game I make

How hard is hard?

And how easy is easy?

Does my many years playing games make my opinion not matter? Or matter more?

[tired reef]

Because I'm engaging on how difficult to make a boss that the player can create to have different modes you have easy mode if you put in a few items that are not either rare strong and more useful sitting on useful items

[limber veldt]

Like I said, that's a hard question without any context

I suppose we need play testers before we can actually know how hard or easy something is

The last unlocked level of Mario Odyssey...very hard, for me anyway

[normal silo]

Side note on this. If you hold two keys, like up and right, you can move faster than speed. Because it adds. The correct way to handle this is have speed be the magnitude of the movement vector.

The movement vector is determined by a desired direction given by the keys held down, but then scaled to be length of speed.

That way you are always moving at speed (not more nor less).

Many games forget to do this and it's abused by speedrunners often (move a bit faster by moving diagonally). So it's not exactly required that you have it work this way if you want to intentionally leave it as is for exploits.

[cerulean nimbus]

!d pygame.register_quit

[frank field]

pygame.register\_quit

pygame.register_quit()```
register a function to be called when pygame quits

register\_quit(callable) -> None

When [`pygame.quit()`uninitialize all pygame modules](https://www.pygame.org/docs/ref/pygame.html#pygame.quit) is called, all registered quit functions are called. Pygame modules do this automatically when they are initializing, so this function will rarely be needed.

Similar names: pygame_ce.pygame.register_quit

[cerulean nimbus]

ooh neat tbh

import pygame
screen = pygame.display.set_mode((600,800))
running = True
def close():
    global running
    running = False  
pygame.register_quit(close)

def handle_events(events):
    for event in events:
        if event.type == pygame.QUIT:
            pygame.quit()

while running:
    handle_events(pygame.event.get())
```simple example for it its incase you want to set some stuff up on closing the window

you can also do

import pygame
screen = pygame.display.set_mode((600,800))
running = True

@pygame.register_quit
def close():
    global running
    running = False

def handle_events(events):
    for event in events:
        if event.type == pygame.QUIT:
            pygame.quit()

while running:
    handle_events(pygame.event.get())
```if you are a fan of decorators

technically its not a decorator tho

if you want to use it with a class than just do it like pygame.register_quit(self.func)

[vale smelt]

hi, i'm making a text game, do you think a combat system where you can know the enemy intent is better, or maybe one where player and enemy act as the same time is interesting?

[shut tulip]

If well implemented all these gameplays can be good

I can think of a few strategy games in which the enemy prepares to attack, then the player plays, and then the enemy attacks

And of course same for real-time, or turn-base

[vale smelt]

hmm

true

thank you!

[elfin pond]

any1 of u have made a 3d game ever

[elfin pond]

and how do we do this

[cerulean nimbus]

what do you mean ?

[cerulean nimbus]

unfinished racer why ?

[elfin pond]

Just asking

[elfin pond]

Uhh that code box

[cerulean nimbus]

!code

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[elfin pond]

Oh

[tired reef]

I'm learning how to implement a enemy

[indigo plover]

Just be rude all the time

[tired reef]

if expbar.exp == 100 or 100.0:
        exp_levels = pyg.font.SysFont(None,100)

        player_exp += 1

        expbar.exp = 0

    exp_number = exp_levels.render(f"{player_exp}", True, (222, 255,0))

    
    screen.blit(exp_number, (435, 428))

[slow copper]

if expbar.exp == 100 or 100.0 will not work as you expect it to

!or

[frank field]

The or-gotcha

When checking if something is equal to one thing or another, you might think that this is possible:

# Incorrect...
if favorite_fruit == 'grapefruit' or 'lemon':
    print("That's a weird favorite fruit to have.")

While this makes sense in English, it may not behave the way you would expect. In Python, you should have complete instructions on both sides of the logical operator.

So, if you want to check if something is equal to one thing or another, there are two common ways:

# Like this...
if favorite_fruit == 'grapefruit' or favorite_fruit == 'lemon':
    print("That's a weird favorite fruit to have.")

# ...or like this.
if favorite_fruit in ['grapefruit', 'lemon']:
    print("That's a weird favorite fruit to have.")

[slow copper]

And you can simplly just put if expbar.exp == 100 only and it'll work regardless if its a float or int

[indigo plover]

Why do you check for float anyway?
That should not be, ever.
Stick to int for exp

Also, what If player got 101 ?
maybe you want >= 100

[elfin pond]

!e a = int(input("A num: ")) if(a==1): print("its 1")

[frank field]

:x: Your 3.13 eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 |   File "/home/main.py", line 1
002 |     a = int(input("A num: ")) if(a==1): print("its 1")
003 |                                       ^
004 | SyntaxError: invalid syntax

[elfin pond]

!e a = int(input("A num: "))
if(a==1):
print("its 1")

[frank field]

:x: Your 3.13 eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 | A num: Traceback (most recent call last):
002 |   File "/home/main.py", line 1, in <module>
003 |     a = int(input("A num: "))
004 |             ~~~~~^^^^^^^^^^^
005 | EOFError: EOF when reading a line

[cerulean nimbus]

progress

[cerulean nimbus]

depends on exp settings some use floats some use ints it depends on preferences and there calculation they make plus if you use floats as exp might be better to use Decimal instead

[indigo plover]

Point is, use one or the other, dont try to have both

[blissful basalt]

how to make money with pygame?

[shut tulip]

By selling your games ?

[dusk dew]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/732354651327955047/1419080716129407160/2025-09-20_23-58-17.mp4?ex=68d07567&is=68cf23e7&hm=53b233c8735ecb4dc06b66a874746dc28941fded3e644882a8bfd008b8b84c04&
my attempt at remaking undertale in python (pygame) (only this took me 11 hours already)

[ruby roost]

Hey everyone! 👋

I’m starting a new open-source project called PygameForge — a modular framework built on top of Pygame to make 2D game development faster and cleaner.

It’s still in the early stages, but the idea is to provide optional modules like:

• Entities system
• UI components
• Physics helpers
• Animation manager
• Project scaffolding / setup helpers
• Scene management and more

All modules are optional, so you still keep the flexibility of raw Pygame.

📂 GitHub repo: https://github.com/pygameforge/pygameforge

I’d love to hear your feedback:

• Do you think this would be useful?
• Any ideas, critiques, or suggestions are super welcome!

I’m also looking for contributors and people who’d like to get involved. If you have any type of experience with pygame you are welcome.

Thanks for reading 😄

[gloomy spoke]

I'm a newbie to programming and I'm having some trouble with PyGame right now. I'm trying to make a game with ASCII art using .render() on a pygame font object to create basic textboxes. The problem is that if I put the code to blit the textbox outside the game loop, I can't update or change the text in the textbox and if I put it inside the game loop, it creates a new copy of the texbox every single frame and drastically slows down my code. Is there any way to create a textbox exactly once but still be able to change the text in it?

[slow copper]

It does not create a new copy in the loop. It only re-draws the text box in every loop. And that's how rendering works, it redraws an object to the screen in every loop.

Traditionally in a game if you're moving a character from left to right (say from x=0 till x=5), it first draws the character at x=0, then clear the screen with a solid colour, re-draws the character at x=1, clears the screen again draws it at x=2, so on and so forth.

In this there is no extra copy being created, the character just gets re-drawn to the screen each time in every iteration

But in your case you're trying to update a text box, even though it isn't moving, it still needs to be updated by the same process

[gloomy spoke]

Well I'm doing something very wrong then, cause if I set up the textbox to move one pixel per frame to one side, it creates a giant smear across the screen from multiple copies of overlapping text.

[slow copper]

That's because you're not clearing the screen then

[gloomy spoke]

How do I clear the screen?

[slow copper]

The image you drew in the previous iteration still remains unless you clear it

[slow copper]

I think it was smt like screen.fill((0, 0, 0,)) the tuple is the RGB value

Show your code

[gloomy spoke]

import pygame, sys
from pygame.locals import *
import random
import math
from pathlib import Path
import os

pygame.init()

frames per second setting

FPS = 30
fpsClock = pygame.time.Clock()

everything regarding the screen size should be based off of these variables so I can

change the screen size easily

screen_width = 1500
screen_height = 750

creates the window

DISPLAYSURF = pygame.display.set_mode((screen_width, screen_height))
pygame.display.set_caption("Text Quest 2")

defines some colors

WHITE = (255, 255, 255)
L_GRAY = (192, 192, 192)
M_GRAY = (128, 128, 128)
D_GRAY = (64, 64, 64)
BLACK = (0, 0, 0)
TRANSPARENT = (0, 0, 0, 0)

DISPLAYSURF.fill(WHITE)

creates transparent text box with black text

surface = pygame.Surface((screen_width, screen_height), pygame.SRCALPHA)
surface.fill(TRANSPARENT)
fontObj = pygame.font.SysFont("Lucida Console", 15)
text = fontObj.render("Hello World!", True, BLACK)
surface.blit(text, (0,0))
DISPLAYSURF.blit(surface, (0,0))

frame_count = 0

while True:
DISPLAYSURF.fill(WHITE)

frame_count += 1

text = fontObj.render("Hello World!", True, BLACK)
surface.blit(text, (frame_count,0))
DISPLAYSURF.blit(surface, (0,0))

# ----- Event Handling ----- #

for event in pygame.event.get():
    if event.type == QUIT:
        pygame.quit()
        sys.exit()

pygame.display.flip()
fpsClock.tick(FPS)

[slow copper]

!code

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[slow copper]

Format the code

[gloomy spoke]

sorry, I really don't know what I'm doing

[slow copper]

It's alright, everyone starts from somewhere

[gloomy spoke]

import pygame, sys
from pygame.locals import *
import random
import math
from pathlib import Path
import os

pygame.init()

# frames per second setting
FPS = 30 
fpsClock = pygame.time.Clock() 

# everything regarding the screen size should be based off of these variables so I can
# change the screen size easily
screen_width = 1500
screen_height = 750

# creates the window
DISPLAYSURF = pygame.display.set_mode((screen_width, screen_height))
pygame.display.set_caption("Text Quest 2")

# defines some colors
WHITE = (255, 255, 255)
L_GRAY = (192, 192, 192)
M_GRAY = (128, 128, 128)
D_GRAY = (64, 64, 64)
BLACK = (0, 0, 0)
TRANSPARENT = (0, 0, 0, 0)

DISPLAYSURF.fill(WHITE)

# creates transparent text box with black text
surface = pygame.Surface((screen_width, screen_height), pygame.SRCALPHA)
surface.fill(TRANSPARENT)
fontObj = pygame.font.SysFont("Lucida Console", 15)
text = fontObj.render("Hello World!", True, BLACK)
surface.blit(text, (0,0))
DISPLAYSURF.blit(surface, (0,0))

frame_count = 0

while True:
    DISPLAYSURF.fill(WHITE)

    frame_count += 1

    text = fontObj.render("Hello World!", True, BLACK)
    surface.blit(text, (frame_count,0))
    DISPLAYSURF.blit(surface, (0,0))
    
    # ----- Event Handling ----- #

    for event in pygame.event.get():
        if event.type == QUIT:
            pygame.quit()
            sys.exit()

    pygame.display.flip()
    fpsClock.tick(FPS)

[slow copper]

Why not directly blit the text to the main screen

[gloomy spoke]

As I understand it, I need to create a new surface to be able to use alpha levels. This isn't my main program here, it's just a test program where I can try to get this working.

I have some overlapping textboxes where the white space is cutting off text on textboxes rendered first and I wanted to make the textbox background color transparent to deal with that.

[slow copper]

Hm

[slow copper]

im pretty sure the background of text boxes are transparent by default

im blitting the text twice to kind of overlap each other

[slow copper]

and using without the transparent surface

[gloomy spoke]

That wasn't what it was doing for me before. I don't have the code I was using earlier, but I had white space that was covering up text of other textboxes.

[slow copper]

if im not wrong you only need to use the alpha for transparency while loading images and stuff

[gloomy spoke]

It might be that I was using get_rect() on it like this:

    fontObj = pygame.font.SysFont("Lucida Console", text_size)
    textSurfaceObj = fontObj.render(text, True, text_color, WHITE)
    textRectObj = textSurfaceObj.get_rect()

It might have been the rectangle that was overlapping, not the textbox itself.

Then after setting the location of the rectangle, I'd blit it like this:

    DISPLAYSURF.blit(textSurfaceObj, textRectObj)

OH

[slow copper]

you're passing in WHITE in the fontObj.render(text, True, text_color, WHITE) for the background colour

you should remove that

[gloomy spoke]

I need to do surface.fill(TRANSPARENT) as well as DISPLAYSURF.fill(WHITE) at the beginning of the loop

You were right that I wasn't clearing the screen

It's just that I wasn't clearing the new surface I created for the transparencies

[slow copper]

hm

[gloomy spoke]

Ok maybe not. It was working on my test program, but not in my main code.

[slow copper]

did you try this

also can you show your actual code instead of the test one

[gloomy spoke]

Here's the function I made for creating a textbox in my main code

def create_textbox(text, text_size, text_color, textbox_justify, textbox_location, is_transparent):
    text_font = pygame.font.SysFont("Lucida Console", text_size)
    if is_transparent == True:
        display_text = text_font.render(text, False, text_color)
    elif is_transparent == False:
        display_text = text_font.render(text, True, text_color)
    text_rectangle = display_text.get_rect()
    if textbox_justify == "tl":
        text_rectangle.topleft = (textbox_location)
    elif textbox_justify == "tr":
        text_rectangle.topright = (textbox_location)
    elif textbox_justify == "bl":
        text_rectangle.bottomleft = (textbox_location)
    elif textbox_justify == "br":
        text_rectangle.bottomright = (textbox_location)
    elif textbox_justify == "c":
        text_rectangle.center = (textbox_location)
    else:
        text_rectangle.topleft = (textbox_location)
    if is_transparent == True:
        surface = pygame.Surface((screen_width, screen_height), pygame.SRCALPHA)
        surface.fill(TRANSPARENT)
    elif is_transparent == False:
        surface = pygame.Surface((screen_width, screen_height))
        surface.fill(WHITE)
    surface.blit(display_text, (0,0))
    DISPLAYSURF.blit(surface, text_rectangle)

My whole program is 500 lines long. Do you want to see the whole thing or is that too much?

[slow copper]

how do you call the function

[gloomy spoke]

dungeon_floor = """
                 __________________________________________                 
               _/     /     /     |      |     \     \     \_               
             _/     _/     |      |      |      |     \_     \_             
           _/______/______/______/________\______\______\______\_           
         _/      /       |       |        |      |        \      \_         
       _/       /        /       |        |       \        \       \_       
     _/________/________/________|________|________\________\________\_     
   _/        /         /         /        \         \         \        \_   
 _/        _/         /         |          |         \         \_        \_ 
/_________/__________|__________|__________|__________|__________\_________\
"""

# creates the text boxes for dungeon floor
    for i in range(0, len(dungeon_floor)):
        text = dungeon_floor[i][0:76]
        create_textbox(text, 15, BLACK, "tl", ((edge_margin * 2) + 200, (edge_margin * 2) + 350 + (i * 15)), True)

[slow copper]

actually seeing the entire code might help

!paste

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[slow copper]

paste ur code in paste bin and send the link

[gloomy spoke]

I pasted the code into the box. How do I get the link to give to you?

Is it just this? https://paste.pythondiscord.com/TKBA

[slow copper]

yes

[slow copper]

also this code works for me tho?

unless im misunderstanding something

[gloomy spoke]

You're going to have to give me a moment. I'm not using anything that can handle version control. Let me try to recreate the problem.

[slow copper]

lmao alr

[gloomy spoke]

I changed the create_textbox() function to handle tranparencies and all of a sudden the mini-map started lagging out terribly. I don't remember what I did, but it had multiple overlapping versions of the mini-map with each one being different based on how much I had moved.

It's still lagging pretty bad, so I'm pretty sure it's doing a whole lot of processing I don't want, but I don't know how to make it visually obvious what it's doing.

The lag seems to gets worse the longer you let it run for so I assume it's creating a whole lot of something that's not getting cleared out.

[slow copper]

The more things to render in each frame, the more laggy it gets

its a bit hard to make out whats going on in your code, its a bit unorganized ngl

also you're not closing any of the files you've opened

[gloomy spoke]

I got it! Replace the create_textbox() function in the code I gave you with this. It'll make it so all the textboxes are rendered as transparent even if the call says to do otherwise.

def create_textbox(text, text_size, text_color, textbox_justify, textbox_location, is_transparent):
    text_font = pygame.font.SysFont("Lucida Console", text_size)
    if is_transparent == True:
        display_text = text_font.render(text, False, text_color)
    elif is_transparent == False:
        display_text = text_font.render(text, True, text_color)
    text_rectangle = display_text.get_rect()
    if textbox_justify == "tl":
        text_rectangle.topleft = (textbox_location)
    elif textbox_justify == "tr":
        text_rectangle.topright = (textbox_location)
    elif textbox_justify == "bl":
        text_rectangle.bottomleft = (textbox_location)
    elif textbox_justify == "br":
        text_rectangle.bottomright = (textbox_location)
    elif textbox_justify == "c":
        text_rectangle.center = (textbox_location)
    else:
        text_rectangle.topleft = (textbox_location)
    #if is_transparent == True:
    surface = pygame.Surface((screen_width, screen_height), pygame.SRCALPHA)
    surface.fill(TRANSPARENT)
    #elif is_transparent == False:
        #surface = pygame.Surface((screen_width, screen_height))
        #surface.fill(WHITE)
    surface.blit(display_text, (0,0))
    DISPLAYSURF.blit(surface, text_rectangle)

[indigo plover]

@dataclass
class Textbox:
    font: pygame.font.SysFont
    text_size: int
    is_transparent: bool
    justify: Literal["tl","tr","bl","br","c"]
    text: str

[dusk dew]

made this in pygame
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/147039491838705664/1419267873502662697/SPOILER_2025-09-21_12-20-02.mp4?ex=68d123b5&is=68cfd235&hm=1db0376ba4dd4a6cd38b23456bc0b8cce4659214a0fb469e542c48f6c015a2a7&

[cerulean nimbus]

fancy

[cerulean nimbus]

just a side line as well you could dopy display_text = text_font.render(text, not is_transparent, text_color) instead of```py
if is_transparent == True:
display_text = text_font.render(text, False, text_color)
elif is_transparent == False:
display_text = text_font.render(text, True, text_color)

[indigo plover]

or just use is_opaque

display_text = text_font.render(text, is_opaque , text_color)

😄

[cerulean nimbus]

yeah sometimes naming can make it more clearly hahahha

[naive plaza]

Im planning on making a Souls-like game using Python, wish me luck. ill keep u updated

[tired reef]

expbar.exp = 100
        expbar.draw(screen,exp_blank,green_exp)

        if expbar.exp >= 100:

            player_exp += 1

            expbar.exp = 0

how can ipdat this function

[cerulean nimbus]

can you be more precise with what you mean

[cerulean nimbus]

good luck

    def get_field(self):
        block_w, block_h = self.get_block_size
        mask = pygame.Surface((block_w, block_h), pygame.SRCALPHA)
        pygame.draw.rect(mask, (255, 255, 255), mask.get_rect(), border_radius=20)

        def create_surface_and_rect(w, h):
            x = self.offset + w * (block_w + self.offset)
            y = self.offset + h * (block_h + self.offset)
            base = pygame.Surface((block_w, block_h), pygame.SRCALPHA)
            base.fill("white")
            base.blit(mask, (0, 0), special_flags=pygame.BLEND_RGBA_MIN)
            return base, pygame.Rect(x, y, block_w, block_h)

        return [
            create_surface_and_rect(w, h)
            for w, h in itertools.product(range(self.width), range(self.height))
        ]
``` messing around with `pygame.Surface.fblits()`

    def get_blocks(self):
        # self.blocks is the list of current blocks
        block_w, block_h = self.get_block_size
        mask = pygame.Surface((block_w, block_h), pygame.SRCALPHA)
        pygame.draw.rect(mask, (255, 255, 255), mask.get_rect(), border_radius=20)

        def create_surface_and_rect(b: Block):
            x = self.offset + b.current_pos.x * (block_w + self.offset)
            y = self.offset + b.current_pos.y * (block_h + self.offset)
            base = pygame.Surface((block_w, block_h), pygame.SRCALPHA)
            base.fill("green")
            base.blit(mask, (0, 0), special_flags=pygame.BLEND_RGBA_MIN)
            return base, pygame.Rect(x, y, block_w, block_h)

        return [
            create_surface_and_rect(b)
            for b in self.blocks if b is not None
        ]

def create_surface_and_rect(b: Block): i will make a general function for it soon

[tired reef]

i keep getting a constant printing apon printing

[cerulean nimbus]

but there is no print in the code your provided

[indigo plover]

ipdate?

[dusk dew]

what does that mean

[tired reef]

def Player_Movement(self, delta_time):
        keys0 = pyg.key.get_pressed()
        speed = 200  # pixels per second

        if keys0[pyg.K_a or pyg.K_d or pyg.k_w or pyg.k_s]  and keys0[pyg.K_LSHIFT]:
            self.player_pos -= speed * delta_time


        if keys0[pyg.K_w]:
            self.player_pos.y -= speed * delta_time

        if keys0[pyg.K_s]:
            self.player_pos.y += speed * delta_time

        if keys0[pyg.K_a]:
            self.player_pos.x -= speed * delta_time

        if keys0[pyg.K_d]:
            self.player_pos.x += speed * delta_time

        return self.player_pos

    def draw(self, surface, color, rect_dimentions):
        pyg.draw.rect(surface, color, pyg.Rect(self.player_pos.x, self.player_pos.y, *rect_dimentions))

[cerulean nimbus]

if keys0[pyg.K_a or pyg.K_d or pyg.k_w or pyg.k_s]  and keys0[pyg.K_LSHIFT]:
  self.player_pos -= speed * delta_time
# is equal to 
if keys0[pyg.K_a]  and keys0[pyg.K_LSHIFT]:
  self.player_pos -= speed * delta_time
```if im not wrong

since it will just check the first TRUTHY value in the x or y or z since pyg.K_a is a constant value that exists it will just be keys0[pyg.K_a]

if (keys0[pyg.K_a] or keys0[pyg.K_d] or keys0[pyg.K_w] or keys0[pyg.K_s]) and keys0[pyg.K_LSHIFT]:
    self.player_pos -= speed * delta_time
``` is something you should do instead

[tired reef]

Thank you also do you know how to make pixel art or anyone here who does pixel art games because I'm at a loss of how to

[dawn quiver]

Hey is there a lot of math in game development

?

[tired reef]

Yes and no

For example
It's mostly vars: https://paste.pythondiscord.com/Y5BQ

[dawn quiver]

Im a networking guy and I also really love programming

Wanted to get into game development but never took the time to

[normal silo]

https://studiominiboss.itch.io/pixel-art-tutorials

[tired reef]

Thank you

[lucid oriole]

Eyy nice I will try this too

btw I wanted to ask something

Where should I start first godot or pygame or some other engine?

[normal silo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKmrBUpd0yw

The rest is just general drawing knowledge.

[normal silo]

This is a Python server, so Python with pygame.

(Pygame-ce)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blLLtdv4tvo

[lucid oriole]

but doesn't godot also run on python type script

[raven kernel]

it's python-like, sure, but it's not Python at all
totally different systems
and yeah, this is a Python server so you're likely to get Python focused suggestions, there is no harm is trying a few and taking your own decision, i would personally go with Godot if my main goal was to make games

goodluck :)

[lucid oriole]

eyy thanks and totally understandable

[indigo plover]

Pygame also easier to get into and teaches the basics

[cerulean nimbus]

You can technically make your own pixel art painter :)

[cerulean nimbus]

Depends on your game but most is simple in 2d unless you do 3d

[cerulean nimbus]

There is a plugin for using python dont know if its still updated

[cerulean nimbus]

looking good :)

[tired reef]

what do you think?

this is the original

[tired reef]

#===[player]===#
player.draw(screen, ocean_blue, player_rect)
player.Player_Movement(dt)
inventory = {'hello' : "no"}

player.Inventory(inventory)

!e

def Inventory(self, Inventory):        
        self.Inventory = Inventory

        key_inventory = pyg.key.get_pressed()

        Inventory = {}

        if key_inventory[pyg.K_e]:
            print(Inventory)

[frank field]

:warning: Your 3.13 eval job has completed with return code 0.

[No output]

[tired reef]

inventory = {'hello' : "no"}

    player.Inventory(inventory)

[heady flint]

I can't find tutorial on how to play a gif in the background.

[wooden night]

So I am creating a football(not american football) game and I need to know how to create a bot

I have made a enemy Ai before with wandering, following, pathfinding, etc

But this one is diffrent... can someone give me an idea?

[shut tulip]

There is no straightforward answer to that, if you want to make an AI play against you, you need to code something that would, given a state (and potentially a strategy), interact with the game

it can be done in multiple ways based on how your game is coded, but basically a class for the robot, with a play() method that requires the game state, difficulty etc. and returns one or several actions

[wooden night]

I did make a super simple Ai in scratch with if not touching ball, move towards ball if touching ball move towards goal

[wooden night]

How would i create a strat and etc

[shut tulip]

so I think you explained quite well what you want, you just have to translate that into python function

[shut tulip]

By strategy I meant that multiple robots could have different behaviors

some can be more defensive, some can be offensive

etc.

[wooden night]

@shut tulip You are actually helping me, Thank you!

Now i have a clear idea

[shut tulip]

Nice

[fair monolith]

Yo what's up people

[cerulean nimbus]

working on a random project

[tired reef]

 key_inventory = pyg.key.get_pressed()

        Inventory = {}

        if key_inventory[pyg.K_e]:
            print(Inventory)

can i do this for a Inventory

[dusk dew]

progress update on my undertale remake in pygame

[vivid sedge]

Nice, looks good

[dusk dew]

thanks this is like 20 hours in for not even 2 minutes of gameplay😭

[vivid sedge]

Oh dang 😭 keep it up its looking rlly good

[dusk dew]

the most time was taken by the keyboard, the blip noises that characters make + the dialog, and the room moving with the character😭

keyboard I mean like the select name part

[vivid sedge]

Oof

[vivid sedge]

Yea yea

[vivid sedge]

Wait do you have all the Easter eggs???

https://undertale.wiki/w/Names

They're not important but forsure funny if you wanna be productive without crazy hard work

[dusk dew]

yes

all of them

even gaster

[vivid sedge]

Niceeee

[dusk dew]

heres an old vid showcasing it

[vivid sedge]

That's really great! Hope it ends up going smoother/faster as you work on it

[dusk dew]

everything before the flowey part is smooth af rn

except the intro skipping tho

[wooden night]

You are creating classes to make the text display like that right... Right?

[cerulean nimbus]

Yes

[tired reef]

Because I tried it and it didn't exactly work I don't know why it went print the inventory that I passed into the definition

[cerulean nimbus]

How do you expect it to work

[tired reef]

I have signed it to a dick in the player class and I passed the name of a dictionary that would be the players inventory it was empty until I filled it which in that case it still didn't work

[shut tulip]

maybe try to show a little bit more code

[shut tulip]

this is simply printing the inventory when pressed e

but the inventory is resetted (in this code) every loop, so not really useful

[tired reef]

I tried it outside of the loop near more of the player area with all different values I'm not near my computer so I can't exactly show you right now but I tried it it did not work

[shut tulip]

you need to create the dict in the __init__ of the player,

and then that should work without any problem, maybe you did something wrong

[tired reef]

The thing is I did that

[shut tulip]

you probably did something wrong without noticing, when can work on that, show some code

[frail marten]

what game?

u just developing?

[cerulean nimbus]

Cause you are constantly defining it to be empty when handling your click either place it somewhere else or do
Inventory = Inventory or {}

Should work or Inventory = {} if not Inventory else Inventory

[dusk dew]

no classes im too dumb for that

[dusk dew]

undertale

[wooden night]

Nooooo..... But still you should do classes, it makes your code easier to understand, organize, and change.

[pastel flint]

Yes, please do Classes. I can't go back to normal functions now that I know how to use them

[slim spoke]

i need help to program a game

on python

this is really important

just a simple game

its for my personal project at school

anyone who has any experience on this please dm me asap

[dusk dew]

ok I might be stubbornly dumb for this but I really dont want to switch over right now im happy it even runs well😭

[cerulean nimbus]

ive seen a lot of good games on itch that were made with mostly just functions

[dusk dew]

what are the benefits of using classes though

[cerulean nimbus]

basically classes are like a "template" you can define and reuse

[wooden night]

Classes are easy but

[cerulean nimbus]

class Tile:
  def __init__(self, texture, pos, size):
    self.texture = texture
    self.pos = pos
    self.size = size
    
  def draw(self): ...
  def update(self): ...
  ...
tile = [Tile(texture, (random(), random()), (600,600)), ...]
for tile in tiles:
    tile.draw()

[wooden night]

There is also a pygame type class(I don't remember the name) but it has pixel perfect collions

Also one thing I love is that you do not need to write global var in every single function to use it

You only need to write self.var in init and then to call the var in funcs(in the class) u just say self.var

[uncut birch]

I MADE ROBLOX!!!111

im gonna add studio and multiplayer

[shut tulip]

No one will do it FOR you, however, if you ask specific questions, we are happy to help

[elder pasture]

Using Lua?

[shut tulip]

this is quite obviously python

[elder pasture]

I got told can’t use python roblox

[shut tulip]

You can't use Python to do something IN Roblox but you can make a Roblox clone in Python

[slim spoke]

I have a question

I keep trying to run my code and it keeps saying there is no such thing called bg.jpg

Even though I can find it on my finder

Can anyone help?

[shrewd kiln]

is it in your project folder??

otherwise link the direct path to it

[slim spoke]

How do I put it in my project folder

[sly vapor]

you can see on the screenshot that its not

[slim spoke]

How do i do it then, I'm new to python

[sly vapor]

thats not "new to python", thats "new to files"
are you familiar with like, files being located in directories?

[thick mist]

open the folder to your project and drag your image into your project folder

[slim spoke]

The 3rd one?

I called it personal project

Is that the one?

[sly vapor]

you really shouldn't develop projects in your downloads folder

[shrewd kiln]

uhhhhh

[slim spoke]

How do I do it then

[thick mist]

I thought your project is in User/youssufe?

[shrewd kiln]

im not familiar with whatever text editor that is so obv i'd ask them first

[slim spoke]

It's visual code editor

The microsoft one

[sly vapor]

i'd create a directory for projects, then, for each project, create a subdirectory in that

[slim spoke]

How to create a directory

[shrewd kiln]

just drag and drop the image into the directory

[slim spoke]

That's what I did

Should i do this: /imgs/"path file"

[thick mist]

Ok I just realized

[shrewd kiln]

where is your code stored??

[slim spoke]

it's in my visual code editor

I'm also new to that editor

[shrewd kiln]

bruh

[thick mist]

Your project isn't a folder

[shrewd kiln]

it should be INSIDE of one yes

[slim spoke]

I'm new to everything here, dont expect me to have even a bit of any knowledge about this

[thick mist]

Create a folder, call it what your project name is, put your python file inside of it

[slim spoke]

Okay

[shrewd kiln]

this

[slim spoke]

Wait give me one second

Should I do the folder on my desktop?

Like the Desktop part in Finder?

[thick mist]

You can do it anywhere

[slim spoke]

Okay

Here

Now what, I drag the file I just showed you on the previous image to that folder?

[shrewd kiln]

your python file containing the code, yes

[thick mist]

Yeah

Also as a good practice you should name the code you want to be run first as main.py

[slim spoke]

Okay let me try

You sure this is a good idea?

[thick mist]

Yeah

.py is the file type for python files

[slim spoke]

Okay i have them both in the same folder now?

[thick mist]

Yeah

[slim spoke]

Will it work now?

[thick mist]

Before you do that

Does your code editor know where the python file is?

Try running main.py now

[slim spoke]

Mb wrong one

[slim spoke]

I can't find it on my editor now

[thick mist]

Give me a sec

[slim spoke]

Okay

[thick mist]

Point it to where your new project folder is at

[slim spoke]

YESSS

IT WORKED

THANK YOU SO MUCH

[thick mist]

Np :)

[dusk dew]

this is kinda unrelated but can I ask what macbook r u using and how good is it? I might get m4 air for birthday for school

[slim spoke]

Wait let me see actually

It's an Apple M1

8GB Memory

That's the one my school gave us

It's really really good

I can have all these apps open and it runs very smoothly

@dusk dew I think you would really like an M4 Air

[tired reef]

health_potion = {"Name" : "health potion", "heals" : 15, "weight" : 0.5, "size" : (10,20), "color" : (173, 26, 16)}

[modest crypt]

hello guys

[dusk dew]

damn 8gigs kinda low tho

I see u have mc tho does it run smoothly even with 8 gigs?

hows the battery? Ive heard macbooks got amazing battery life becaue of the arm chips

[modest crypt]

ima make uh

calculator

aight finally

completed.

[slim spoke]

yes around 60 fps

[modest crypt]

guys

ima make a ai

[dusk dew]

newest version too?

[slim spoke]

aight tell me how it goes

[slim spoke]

I didn't really modify my Minecraft

since its my school macbook

and I have it secretly

[dusk dew]

so yall get a macbook for free in school?

[thick mist]

For 2D game development in python, is PyGame as good as it gets?

[slim spoke]

It's considered a privelege

[grave sinew]

i've also heard of arcade

[slim spoke]

And if we abuse that privilege

We pay a fine of $1000

[dusk dew]

I dont understand

[slim spoke]

Use it to commit crimes

Download yk what

Blackmail

Cyberbully

[thick mist]

Can't switch to it because I'm already developing a game for Pyweek in Pygame but I might check it out when I'm done!

[blissful basalt]

guys how did you learn pygame? ive been juggling tutorials because one's too hard, other hasnt taught what i learned from the first one

[slim spoke]

That's what I'm saying bro, I find all this coding stuff so hard but also so interesting

[slim spoke]

What's pyweek?

[thick mist]

It's a game jam for games written in python

[slim spoke]

Ahhh

Free to join?

[thick mist]

Yeah but it ends tomorrow

[weary plover]

Have you used both Arcade and Pygame? thoughts on both?

[grave sinew]

Not really. I typically use Love2d and switch to Lua.

[thick mist]

Yeah, I'm probably not going to be able to participate I joined way too late

I'm still going to work on the project and get it out though

[wooden night]

What is the max fps u can get in pygame-ce

Mine was 800fps

[blissful basalt]

yo guys

just made a pong game

what should i do next?

(im a beginner)

[indigo plover]

Tetris or sokoban clone

[blissful basalt]

what should i learn?

any good tutorials?

[mellow flint]

on modern hardware you should get way more than that

[wooden night]

I would tell you to explore pygame.org

[normal silo]

Breakout clone.

Atari games in general are simple, and a good place to start. Try cloning them.

[pulsar sapphire]

Buy Dr Angela Yu's course

Really good

Taking it myself

[blissful basalt]

i dont have money

[blissful basalt]

what abt projects?

[wooden night]

There is a projects page in pygame.org where there are manyy games ... I would suggest to explore that page and use one of those project to make your own

[cerulean nimbus]

i got 1500 once

[wooden night]

Howwwwwwww

[coarse hill]

@woven oyster We can't help you with that, I consider it to be against rule 5.

[woven oyster]

I already did it, but its ok thank you

[cerulean nimbus]

i dunno hahhahah

import pygame

def main():
    pygame.init()
    screen = pygame.display.set_mode((640, 480))
    clock = pygame.time.Clock()
    running = True

    while running:
        dt = clock.tick(0)
        fps = clock.get_fps()
        pygame.display.set_caption(f"FPS: {fps:.2f}")

        for event in pygame.event.get():
            if event.type == pygame.QUIT:
                running = False

        screen.fill((0, 0, 0))
        pygame.display.flip()

    pygame.quit()

if __name__ == "__main__":
    main()

[green birch]

YOOOO

[wooden night]

I only got 800fps with the same exact code 😭

[crisp vapor]

Hii

[wooden night]

Hi

What do u guys suggest for physics

[limber veldt]

!code

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[limber veldt]

!paste

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[cerulean nimbus]

hardware limitations i guess

[normal silo]

clock.tick(0) will tell the operating system that it's ok for it to switch to another process for a while, so this will limit the max framerate. If you don't tick and instead just run a plain while loop and time with it with the time module you can see the actual max speed (limited by how fast Python can run a while loop).

Putting multiple cores/threads aside (assume there is only 1), the operating system gives the illusion of many programs running at once by switching between them really fast (run a bit of each, pause, save, run another, return back, restore). And it tries to figure out which should get high priority. The clock tick internally uses a sleep function that tells the operating system it can switch away now (and also don't come back until after N milliseconds (roughly)).

So if you have a bunch of other things running marked as high priority and your game tells the OS it's sleeping (switch away now), the OS will maybe not come back for a while. Despite having given it 0 milliseconds as the argument. The number says how long it should not come back for, but it can choose to take longer (or less).

So what if it decides to take longer than 0? Like maybe 1 millisecond? Then that's about 1000 FPS. Now add in the cost to clear the screen and such, plus some randomness (0-1) and you get around 800 FPS maybe.

How roughly this matches the desired delay depends on the operating system, hardware and what else you are currently running on your computer.

@wooden night

(Also as the pygame docs mention, it's pretty rough how much it actually delays)

So it's best to view clock tick as "try to roughly run at this framerate."

[wooden night]

I also did clock.tick(100000) and got the same fps(800) but I also imported many files and modules(it was a for a game I was working for... I'm still getting 400-500fps tho

[wooden night]

I know what happened

My screen size was 6000by800

If i made it 100x100 it did went up

[cerulean nimbus]

you can also use Clock.tick_busy_loop(0) does the same

[tired reef]

Items should I make a dictionary of dictionaries
And for monsters too so I can just import everything from the items and monsters file and use it in my classes?

[shut tulip]

Probably easier to make classes

[slim spoke]

Ay @blissful basalt send the code

[blissful basalt]

what?

[normal silo]

Busy loop is more precise, but it's not handing off to the OS, so it will burn through CPU cycles while it's doing its thing.

(Keeping the CPU busy)

[slim spoke]

for the code for ping pong

can u send it pls

[blissful basalt]

bet one sec

[normal silo]

I have not tried clock tick with such a large number so IDK how it behaves in that case.

[slim spoke]

import pygame
import time
import random
pygame.font.init()

WIDTH, HEIGHT = 1000, 800
WIN = pygame.display.set_mode((WIDTH, HEIGHT))
pygame.display.set_caption("Space Dodge")

BG = pygame.transform.scale(pygame.image.load("galaxy.jpg"), (WIDTH, HEIGHT))

PLAYER_WIDTH = 40
PLAYER_HEIGHT = 60

PLAYER_VEL = 5
STAR_WIDTH = 10
STAR_HEIGHT = 20
STAR_VEL = 3

FONT = pygame.font.SysFont("arial", 30)

def draw(player, elapsed_time, stars):
WIN.blit(BG, (0,0))

time_text = FONT.render(f"Time: {round(elapsed_time)}s", 1, (255,255,255))
WIN.blit(time_text, (10,10))

pygame.draw.rect(WIN, (255,0,0), player)

for star in stars:
    pygame.draw.rect(WIN, (255,255,255), star)

pygame.display.update()

def main():
run = True

player = pygame.Rect(200, HEIGHT - PLAYER_HEIGHT, 
                     PLAYER_WIDTH, PLAYER_HEIGHT)
clock = pygame.time.Clock()
start_time = time.time()
elapsed_time = 0

star_add_increment = 2000
star_count = 0

stars = []
hit = False

while run:
    star_count += clock.tick(60)
    elapsed_time = time.time() - start_time

    if star_count > star_add_increment:
        for _ in range(3):
            star_x = random.randint(0, WIDTH - STAR_WIDTH)
            star = pygame.Rect(star_x, 0, STAR_WIDTH, STAR_HEIGHT)
            stars.append(star)

        star_add_increment = max(200, star_add_increment - 50)
        star_count = 0

    for event in pygame.event.get():
        if event.type == pygame.QUIT:
            run = False
            break

    keys = pygame.key.get_pressed()
    if keys[pygame.K_LEFT] and player.x - PLAYER_VEL >= 0:
        player.x -= PLAYER_VEL
    if keys[pygame.K_RIGHT] and player.x + PLAYER_VEL + player.width <= WIDTH: 
        player.x += PLAYER_VEL

    for star in stars[:]:
        star.y += STAR_VEL
        if star.y > HEIGHT:
            stars.remove(star)
        elif star.y + star.height >= player.y and star.colliderect(player):
            stars.remove(star)
            hit = True
            break

    if hit:
        lost_text = FONT.render("You Lost!", 1, (255,255,255))
        WIN.blit(lost_text, (WIDTH/2 - lost_text.get_width()/2, HEIGHT/2 - lost_text.get_height()/2))
        pygame.display.update()
        pygame.time.delay(4000)
        break

    draw(player, elapsed_time, stars)

pygame.quit()

if name == "main":
main()

guys how can i convert this to code on discord

[blissful basalt]

use test code

also @slim spoke

[slim spoke]

test code

import pygame
import time
import random
pygame.font.init()

WIDTH, HEIGHT = 1000, 800
WIN = pygame.display.set_mode((WIDTH, HEIGHT))
pygame.display.set_caption("Space Dodge")

BG = pygame.transform.scale(pygame.image.load("galaxy.jpg"), (WIDTH, HEIGHT))

PLAYER_WIDTH = 40
PLAYER_HEIGHT = 60

PLAYER_VEL = 5
STAR_WIDTH = 10
STAR_HEIGHT = 20
STAR_VEL = 3

FONT = pygame.font.SysFont("arial", 30)

def draw(player, elapsed_time, stars):
WIN.blit(BG, (0,0))

time_text = FONT.render(f"Time: {round(elapsed_time)}s", 1, (255,255,255))
WIN.blit(time_text, (10,10))

pygame.draw.rect(WIN, (255,0,0), player)

for star in stars:
    pygame.draw.rect(WIN, (255,255,255), star)

pygame.display.update()

def main():
run = True

player = pygame.Rect(200, HEIGHT - PLAYER_HEIGHT, 
                     PLAYER_WIDTH, PLAYER_HEIGHT)
clock = pygame.time.Clock()
start_time = time.time()
elapsed_time = 0

star_add_increment = 2000
star_count = 0

stars = []
hit = False

while run:
    star_count += clock.tick(60)
    elapsed_time = time.time() - start_time

    if star_count > star_add_increment:
        for _ in range(3):
            star_x = random.randint(0, WIDTH - STAR_WIDTH)
            star = pygame.Rect(star_x, 0, STAR_WIDTH, STAR_HEIGHT)
            stars.append(star)

        star_add_increment = max(200, star_add_increment - 50)
        star_count = 0

    for event in pygame.event.get():
        if event.type == pygame.QUIT:
            run = False
            break

    keys = pygame.key.get_pressed()
    if keys[pygame.K_LEFT] and player.x - PLAYER_VEL >= 0:
        player.x -= PLAYER_VEL
    if keys[pygame.K_RIGHT] and player.x + PLAYER_VEL + player.width <= WIDTH: 
        player.x += PLAYER_VEL

    for star in stars[:]:
        star.y += STAR_VEL
        if star.y > HEIGHT:
            stars.remove(star)
        elif star.y + star.height >= player.y and star.colliderect(player):
            stars.remove(star)
            hit = True
            break

    if hit:
        lost_text = FONT.render("You Lost!", 1, (255,255,255))
        WIN.blit(lost_text, (WIDTH/2 - lost_text.get_width()/2, HEIGHT/2 - lost_text.get_height()/2))
        pygame.display.update()
        pygame.time.delay(4000)
        break

    draw(player, elapsed_time, stars)

pygame.quit()

if name == "main":
main()

it dont work

[slim spoke]

yeah

[normal silo]

!code

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[blissful basalt]

thats the rest

[slim spoke]

wtf

accept friend request

[wooden night]

It just behaves like clock.tick(0)

[normal silo]

What about clock tick 60?

Do you get 60 FPS?

[wooden night]

It tries to cap it at 60fps but goes max to 62

[normal silo]

Ok, that seems correct then. My guess is that at large numbers it gives up.

100000 being 100 seconds.

[wooden night]

yes it tries to go to its max but never reaches to that large amount

[normal silo]

Remove it entirely.

How many FPS?

Use the time module.

To get a dt.

[wooden night]

Mine was 800fps with pygame.fullscreen but with a small window easilly surpass 1600

[wooden night]

I use pygame.time.Clock()

[normal silo]

Ok, so yeah, it does need to fill the whole window with pixels CPU side.

Which at fullscreen is a lot.

[wooden night]

And for that I do dt=self.clock.tick(0)

[wooden night]

Thats y I got 800

[normal silo]

If you want like a pixel art game at fullscreen, have it scale it up for you.

So you render your game at like say, 640x480 (surface size), and it scales it up for you really fast.

[wooden night]

I made fuctions to rescale it by the screensize/designsize

[normal silo]

Pygame has a built in function that is fast for this.

When you init.

[wooden night]

Which ones?

[normal silo]

set mode

SCALED

[wooden night]

What!!!!!!?

I neverever knew that

[normal silo]

From this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blLLtdv4tvo

Covers some basic things you can do to improve performance a lot.

[wooden night]

Back to basics

[normal silo]

And how to do some basic other things.

So instead of filling the main screen, you could fill a smaller target screen that gets scaled up.

Filling a small screen/target is ok for performance as you wrote.

SInce many games made with pygame are pixel art this works out.

Since it will look pixelated then when scaled up.

[gentle loom]

Anyone begginer

[normal silo]

If you need more (rendering) performance then you would need to move on to GPU rendering.

(Which requires learning a lot more (OpenGL) (be used to using pygame and have made some games before getting into this))

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFbePt8i0DI

[wooden night]

@normal silo Because I'm working on a pygame project(deadline in one month) I don't have enough time this month to do opengl so is there anything else that I could use to advance my pygame?

[wooden night]

What do u know about basic python?

[wooden night]

Do u wanna do game dev through the console or a window rendering

[fierce ginkgo]

How to make follow aim script matlab ki player ka aim kisi block ko follow kre in free fire craftland script

[normal silo]

What do you mean by advance?

[vagrant saddle]

if you planned to use shaders and physics you would have been better starting with Panda3D instead. Doing all in pygame could need more time than expected

[wooden night]

Like improver performance and help me do my physics

[wooden night]

Ya but i am making a 2d game not 3d

[vagrant saddle]

it is just a matter of camera setup

panda can do anything

but more importantly it has 3 physics engines available out of the box

unlike pygame where you need to bind everything manually

[wooden night]

You are right, but I don't have experince with panda3d, because if I want then i could use unity engine instead

[normal silo]

Not too much, if you are doing the scaled thing it should be fine for most 2D games.'

[wooden night]

Also this is the fun part of coding(I think)

[wooden night]

Ok thx

[normal silo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnKocNdF9-U

Btw for physics you can use box2d (python bindings) or pymunk, etc.

These are implemented in C and are very fast, so you can offload work to C libraries in Python for expensive parts of the game.

[true pumice]

Dis is sooox coll

I love python

[sharp sinew]

Is pygame rlly worth learning?

[wooden night]

If u want to create simple games and want to understand about gamedev this is the way to go

[rose totem]

hay guys

hey*

is there someone here from brazil that wanna code a pygame game with me?

[slim spoke]

yes im working on a big project right now

it's actually really fun to use

[wooden night]

Me too!

[slim spoke]

how is it, what's the product goal?

[wooden night]

Do u know rocket league?

Its like that but in 2d

It will have 3 gamemodes, online multiplayer, co-op and singleplayer(the other player is gonna be a bot)

Then there will be many player skins(sprites) and only one map. The more matches u win the more money u get

That's my game structure

Oh yea also I made the physics from scratch(it was painful) and now you can also costomize the mass of ball to add diffrent playstyles to the game

[slim spoke]

mm

tell me more about that scratch sprite thing

because im trying to make a rocket for my python game

and the proportional ratio is not the best rn

[bold fable]

idk, i made a parser for minecraft's MCA world file format. i wanna showcase it but im new, anyone know a channel or is this the closest?

[bold fable]

found out i can show it on topic. its alr solved :tick:

[wooden night]

Does it scale positions too?

[normal silo]

From the docs: On high resolution displays(4k, 1080p) and tiny graphics games (640x480) show up very small so that they are unplayable. SCALED scales up the window for you. The game thinks it's a 640x480 window, but really it can be bigger. Mouse events are scaled for you, so your game doesn't need to do it. Note that SCALED is considered an experimental API and may change in future releases.

[wooden night]

Is it the pygame-ce docs or just the pygame docs?

[normal silo]

pygame-ce

[wooden night]

Can u give me a link?

[normal silo]

https://pyga.me/docs/ref/display.html#pygame.display.set_mode

[wooden night]

What is V-sync

[bold fable]

makes the max fps set to the monitors refresh rate reducing screen tearing

[normal silo]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_tearing

Basically you have the general issue that the monitor needs to show the data in the screen buffer you gave it. But what if it starts displaying that while you are editing it at the same time? Where part of it is the data from the previous frame, and part from the next frame (being written right now).

V-sync "fixes" this, but at a cost for games: Video games, which use a wide variety of rendering engines, tend to benefit visually from vertical synchronization since a rendering engine is normally expected to build each frame in real-time, based on whatever the engine's variables specify at the moment a frame is requested. However, because vertical synchronization causes input lag, it interferes with the interactive nature of games,[7] and particularly interferes with games that require precise timing or fast reaction times.

This is where other options come in, like Nvidia G-sync, which you may have seen as stickers on monitors as a selling point.

(AMD has FreeSync)

Not using v-sync and instead just timing the frame right could be done, but Windows and other common OSes don't give you a way to do that reliably, much to the dismay of game developers.

(Despite large companies like Activation having complained about this to Microsoft for decades nothing has changed)

(So now GPU vendors are trying to help with stuff like G-sync)

(Graphics is in general a messy area of computer science with a bunch of politics (and big companies that just do their own thing))

If you notice that a lot of games trying to run at higher FPS these days have lots of micro stutters (which gamers complain a lot about), that is also part of this whole problem.

[balmy pilot]

This isn't Python, but it's very relevant to game stuff, and talks about the mechanics of how the frames get presented in a practical way etc:
https://slugcat.systems/post/25-09-21-dxgi-debugging-microsoft-put-me-on-a-list/

(Amazing story IMO)

[wooden night]

I have never experienced micro stutters and screen tears

[balmy pilot]

Not everybody has the temporal resolution to perceive them, this seems to vary a lot from person to person. I have gamer friends who can't tell the difference between 60 and 120Hz modes when I show them a back to back.

For me, I can't watch (non-triple) DLP projectors because I can see the color wheel turn

[normal silo]

Typically if you spend some time at higher FPS you can't unsee the lower FPS. Like when everyone went from 30 to 60.

[balmy pilot]

Yeah, and now for me 240Hz has been the thing for years etc.

[normal silo]

You brain can interpolate a lot of it, but if you get it lazy by having higher FPS, and put it back to working hard on lower, it feels bad.

[wooden night]

This is a silly question but what actuallt does 240Hz means?

[balmy pilot]

It means the screen is fully "redrawn" up to 240 times per second

A regular monitor is typically doing that 60 times per second

[wooden night]

That explains

Does it directly co relate with fps?

[balmy pilot]

More precisely it's the "speed" that the "scan line" moves from the top of the monitor to the bottom etc

[balmy pilot]

FPS is what you 'feed' this with.. You need 240fps to be able to 'fully utilize' what a 240Hz screen is doing for you.

[normal silo]

Hz is Hertz, frequency.

[balmy pilot]

Think of the refresh rate (Hz) as the 'limit' and the fps as what is happening in this moment.

[normal silo]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hertz

[balmy pilot]

https://blurbusters.com/

[wooden night]

That is A lot of info, thx

[balmy pilot]

The Blurbusters "UFO Test" is the go-to standard for showing what different screens/settings can do.

It's so revealing.

[normal silo]

One of the largest factors too for higher FPS games is that games poll input between frames / at the start of a frame (the event loop in pygame). And so if the FPS is higher you have less input latency, which means better control (matters a lot to Counter Strike players for example).

[balmy pilot]

I have friends who say the difference between 60 and 120 in it is "Subtle" and I have no idea what they mean haha

Also, in this era with DLSS etc and other frame generation techniques, not every "fps" frame is real, and therefore not helping reduce input lag.

Which is a complicated idea.

A frame is only real if it is based on the inputs you've made up to that point, by my definition above.

and in 2x framegen, that's not true of every-other frame in the cadence.

[wooden night]

Bit of offtopic but what will u guys do if u r teaching someone python? And how would u encourage them to do it?

[balmy pilot]

First is figuring out how they learn and what interests them. Then I'd show them the fastest way to start playing with that in Python.

and stand back and wait for questions

Most people don't really know what their "goal" is yet so I've sorta stopped asking

[wooden night]

What if they don't know anything?

[balmy pilot]

All the better, less to un-learn.

There're a lot of bad tutorials out there.

[wooden night]

What did u use to learn?

[balmy pilot]

Nobody believes me, but I asked for a programming tutor when I was 6, and my parents got me one, and he taught me 6502 assembly for the Commodore 64.

I learned to read from cardboard box labels when I was 2, I'm just weird. But I know some great books I would suggest to people who learn well from books, and I know some cool 'playpen' kinds of things etc for people who want to go hands-on.

The "LOGO" programming language is really where it clicked for me though.

I struggled with the assembly, though I sorta understood why I wanted to eventually conquer it.

Honestly if I were teaching a kid to program now I would still consider https://squeak.org/

But no, this: https://turtleacademy.com/

LOGO is king.

It's hilarious how similar LOGO seems to GPU programming to me now

I would teach them LOGO, and then have a conversation about how computers have a "preference for symmetry", at the level of both code and data, in the hardware.

For data, we call one such technique "swizzling", for code, we call another one "warp specialization".

But they are both about exploiting the hardware's preference for symmetry.

[wooden night]

@balmy pilot you are the final learning boss

[balmy pilot]

Also never stop reading

[wooden night]

@balmy pilot can u give me just a simple list of websites that could be helpful for new people in programming?

[balmy pilot]

Sure

!resources

[frank field]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[balmy pilot]

This is Python-focused, but if you want to dive deeper I have a textbook I always recommend that nobody ever reads.

[normal silo]

The C64 manual was really good.

[balmy pilot]

Totally, and I had these copies of Byte magazine that had the assembly source for simple games in them, along with an explanation.

You had to type them in exactly, multiple pages, etc.. but if you did, it worked, and now you could make changes.. blew my mind

A game that I hadn't loaded from cassette tape

Still haven't gotten over it I guess.

[limber veldt]

I did a bit of 6502 assembly, also some 6809 back in the day

[balmy pilot]

I had a crazy realization about assembly, particularly the simple kinds like that, that I kinda just can't say aloud because it makes me sound like a kook.

[limber veldt]

I had a few of the Tandy/Radio Shack Color Computers after c64

[balmy pilot]

But, uhh, it's basically ||the nerd version of the "gematria" numerology that lots of religions like||

Kids, ask your rabbi. (Or equivalent.)

It's funny how much the metal music scene has taught me about approaching programming.

Tall as a mountain, I'm gonna tear through the sky
Life's for the taking
Like a man is a mountainside
Greatness waits for those who try
None can teach you, it's all inside
Just climb

http://www.darklyrics.com/lyrics/manowar/signofthehammer.html#4

[tired reef]

If I'm making something craftable in a game do I put a reference of what can be crafted into

[bold fable]

semi game development semi not

its minecraft thats related?

im quite proud of this project, and planning on cleaning it up soon. check the github here:
https://github.com/NEILAS-z/MCAfilter

[bold fable]

you shouldnt store every combination. try using the items as a key instead in a dictionary, alot faster than searching through a large list

[tired reef]

It's somewhat similar to it but it has a back and forth kind of crafting system thank you also

[wooden night]

@balmy pilot what is assembly?

[balmy pilot]

Check this out! https://codeburst.io/an-introduction-to-6502-assembly-and-low-level-programming-7c11fa6b9cb9

This is what I learned first.

[tired reef]

for crafting resipes should i use jason files?

[tired reef]

[
    {
     "id" : 1,
     "name" : "spell_book_cover",

     "ingredients" : {"amethyst" : 2,
                     "leather" : 4},

    "crafting_time" : 2,
    "tools_required" : ["arcane_workbench"],
    "item" : "spell_book_cover",
    "quantity" : 1

    }
]

[tropic veldt]

Guys can we collab to make a cool terminal game

[elder brook]

https://youtu.be/hF0ZOdL52Ww?si=NQEEOZy1twQfPmCQ

Working on making a magic system for the game as well, the magic system is mostly feature complete just haven't merged it into the monster that is this game's code. Already a pain restructuring the code for the market simulation code for the NPCs and shop keeps / peddlers.

[shut tulip]

Not a bad idea, you can take a look to non-relational databases too, or use a relational database with multiple tables

(one for the recipe, one for its ingredients (with columns recipe_id, ingredient, quantity) and another one for tools

[acoustic herald]

are you making an old style game?

[elder brook]

I guess

I kinda have been just trying things out, and seeing what feels right and works well

[grim abyss]

pretty cool. keep hammering away at it. gonna be some type of action rpg ?

using pygame?

[elder brook]

Yeah, I was thinking about it being along the lines of an action rpg, but I don’t know how I want to implement combat, using pygame ce for graphics

[tired reef]

how do i rotate a object in pygame

[wooden night]

pygame.transform.rotate(surface: pygame.Surface , rotation: float | int in degrees)

[wooden night]

Note: It only works for pygame.surface(images and etc) not pygame.Rect or pygame.Circle

[uncut birch]

cool roblox clone i made in python so far

[wooden night]

This is ursina or panda3d?

[uncut birch]

panda3d

also im working on block collision right now

[wooden night]

Oh nice

[mellow flint]

looks cool

resembles old roblox

[sage fiber]

helloo did you use pygame or something else

[deep wyvern]

random thing i made

[frank field]

Click here to see this code in our pastebin.

[hardy haven]

guys

is pyopengl still good for game development?

[wooden night]

Yes

Can i make a player side server

[quartz stream]

Woah this is real cool

[wooden night]

@quartz stream this is raycasting?

[quartz stream]

Um

[deep wyvern]

it's raycasting

[wooden night]

What fps are u gwtting and what meathod are u using

Cause I also made a FPS shooting game using a raycaster with fps easily going above 120

[deep wyvern]

idk fps

i js raycasting

[cerulean nimbus]

lol 😭

[frank field]

There was an error uploading your paste.

[wooden night]

What do you mean by idk 😭 like its one of the most important things 😭

[wooden night]

And how do u don't know your own code 😭

[wooden night]

What is RL learning

[silk saddle]

made my first game

[frank field]

Click here to see this code in our pastebin.

[cerulean nimbus]

its short for reinforced learning its were you make a bot for example and give him tasks depending on the tasks you give him rewards or penaltiess

[wooden night]

So for example I am making a 2d soccer game bot,if the ball is closer to the other players goal I will add points but If its closer to its own goal then I will decrease the points... and if the bot scored give it many points but if it gets scored on then give negitive points?

[wooden night]

Also how long does it takes to.train one?

[cerulean nimbus]

depends from hardware and what you consider finnished

[wooden night]

So for me, it prob means able to score goals

[cerulean nimbus]

no i think in your case you will have to consider multiple factors
ball possession
goals
shot on goals
tackles
blocks
...

[wooden night]

So is it easier to hardcode shooting, defending and passing rather than Using RL?

[cerulean nimbus]

RL can be usefull in your case where as you can have different models as different difficulties

but it depends on you

[wooden night]

Its better to create diff funcs for diff things if doing bot level based right?

[cerulean nimbus]

either way if you make a bot your bot will just use your defined functions that you will use if you didnt have a bot aswell

if that makes sense?

[wooden night]

Ok

[cerulean nimbus]

like for example

class player:
  def shoot_bal(...): ...
class bot:
  def shoot_bal(...): ...
```where both shoot_ball would probs be the same

[wooden night]

Wait no so the player is controlled by the keyboard keys, even if the bot class is a subclass of player it is only using it for physics like collitions so only player doesnt have shootbal func

[cerulean nimbus]

why not arent both the player and the bot able to shoot a ball ?

[wooden night]

They are but like this, if player collides with the ball player velocity vector gets trasfered to the ball vellocity vector

Its a 2d game right?

[cerulean nimbus]

isnt that the same as the bot

[wooden night]

Yes, for my bot v1 it just blindly went towards the ball, which worked pretty well it was like 1:4 but it own goaled sometimes

[vast dragon]

is it baldi in python

[deep wyvern]

It's inspired by the game but not too similar

[vast dragon]

is it 100% python?

[deep wyvern]

Yeah

[vast dragon]

bruhh u must be very good at this

[deep wyvern]

Tkinter is also used

[vast dragon]

what about pyqt

which one is better

[slow copper]

Tkinter is more beginner friendly but doesn't look that great, pyqt does look good but it revolves around subclassing and stuff so it may not be so beginniner friendly

[silk saddle]

update, i'd appreciate feedback

[frank field]

Click here to see this code in our pastebin.

[deep wyvern]

This

[vast dragon]

is this some pressing enter simulator

[wooden night]

There is a little to many funcs... I would suggest using dictionary and classes to make the game for better readiblity

[cerulean nimbus]

Tbh i would go funcs over classes in most cases

[shut tulip]

Make classes when you need object of a specific type, or when you need "global" variables you don't want to be global, otherwise, functions are enough

nothing justify doing something like

class MyClass:

   def method1(self, ....):
        #something that doesn't need self
   def method2(self, ...):
        #something that doesn't need self

myobj = Myclass()
x = myobj.method1(1, 2, 3)
y = myobj.method2(x, "Hello")

[vast dragon]

why is bro doing pressing enter simulator

[cerulean nimbus]

Why not

[warped fractal]

Hello everyone! I'm currently learning python and working on a simple Guess-The-Number game. I wanted to share a little easter egg I'm working on for when someone types a difficulty other than Hard or Easy.|| (DISCLAIMER: This easter egg is not political whatsoever, the fact I have to disclaim that when I mention the president of a country is crazy but I'm NOT talking politics, let's keep things lighthearted)||

[vast dragon]

if u are new ngl it's good first project

[cerulean nimbus]

🤣😭

[fleet hull]

I'm sorry if i'm in the wrong section but i've got a question.
Does Amxmodx (pawn) cs 1.6 language helps me if i do want to be a self-learned game developer?
I would want to join companies in my future, i want to help creating games.

[limber veldt]

Inspired by salt-die, infinite ttt, just gotta sort the win checking, which I've done before

[limber veldt]

There we go, still a little messy in the code but functionality is there

https://paste.pythondiscord.com/D6EA as it is now, not cleaned up, just finished getting it working

images too, if anyone wants them

[dusty echo]

I'm looking client as game developer

[shut tulip]

!rule 9

[frank field]

Rules

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[coral sparrow]

hi can someone rate my first game?

https://foxy3322.itch.io/blocksmash

[limber veldt]

Now with flashing winners

Instead of lines

[coral sparrow]

Wow that's Cool

[limber veldt]

Thanks, it's a fun small project

[coral sparrow]

No problem :P

[limber veldt]

Latest code if anyone's interested https://paste.pythondiscord.com/DCWA

[wooden night]

Who do you use socket? And how will impliment in my fast paced soccor game?

[tired reef]

Does anyone know how to use pixel art and what's good for an anthropomorphic character

[onyx kettle]

ello

damn this servers quiet as fork

[balmy pilot]

The topical channels aren't "chat rooms", that's #ot0-psvm’s-eternal-disapproval etc

[onyx kettle]

i thought i will have friends for the first time after a year

bro there are so many channels i cant find chat rooms

[wooden haven]

Hi guys, i'm studying in the UBA python lenguage and i wanna practice creating a game but i dont know what api needs to create a pixel game, my idea is a game with pvp style pokemon

[shut tulip]

pygame should be good enough

[low raptor]

guys what are good engines to make games in python?

[slow copper]

Ursina if you're looking for a game engine

There's pygame which is a sdl wrapper which you can still use to make games

[magic jolt]

Okay so, I have an idea for a very very simple procedural game map (data wise anyway) and I should be able to randomly decide if there is or isnt a resource on the specific 'square' of map, is it better to randomly generate if the resource node exists when I generate the entire map, or when the player loads into that square?

Front loading all the processing sounds better but I dont know if that will make the game chug by keeping all that data at once or something

[shut tulip]

Depending on how many resources you have I would say

Storing a few hundreds coordinates wouldn't be a problem