game-development

[rugged yoke]

ohh so basically C++ is easy for the computer to read

therfore making it faster ?

[vagrant saddle]

kinda

[mild spear]

imo pygame-ce is better than both pygame and arcade

👀

just sayin

[tired reef]

Does anyone know how to use Ray casting in pygame?

[grim abyss]

Tell me why pygame-ce is better than arcade.

[grim abyss]

https://api.arcade.academy/en/platformer_tutorial_revamp/programming_guide/pygame_comparison.html

That's just some of the features arcade has over pygame-ce in that screenshot. Check the link...

Use what you like though. 👍

[mild spear]

dude you're comparing it to 2.2.0
pygame-ce is on 2.5.3 now lol

https://github.com/pygame-community/pygame-ce/releases/tag/2.5.3

also, pygame-ce is moving from sdl2 to sdl3

[grim abyss]

Don't blame me! Blame the arcade maintainers for not updating that page. lol 🤪

[raven kernel]

how is this STILL not updated

[raven kernel]

also just fyi, that comparison was completely bollocks back in pygame 2.2 as well.

[mild spear]

you're right

it's actually so biased wtf

[fluid grail]

Thank you very much... I honestly tried to use pygame before, but it was so hard....

[pine smelt]

something like this?

[raven kernel]

grass

[tired reef]

2d Ray casting

[pine smelt]

not sure what u mean, that is 2d

[pine smelt]

maybe offset the angle of each grass by its x coord

so its not one block moving but swaying along it

[tired reef]

Yes...it looked like it was 3d at first

[pine smelt]

https://paste.pythondiscord.com/GYGA

its all in one file and there arent any comments so just ask if u have any questions

and u toggle rays using spacebar

oh and u create boxes using right mouse click, its a bit janky but works

[vagrant saddle]

maybe try pygame-ce + pygame_gui

[tired reef]

❓

[raven kernel]

beam chargup

[limber veldt]

It's like a beam teaser, now I'm waiting for the beam, hah

[grim abyss]

FIRE!!!!

https://tenor.com/view/unicorn-gundam-gundam-perfectibility-beam-blast-gif-20562056

[fluid grail]

from tkinter import *
import random


def throw() :
    dice1 = random.randint(1,6)
    dice2 = random.randint(1,6)

    if dice1 > dice2 :
        label3.config(text="you won")
    elif dice1 == dice2 :
        label3.config(text="its a draw")
    else :
        label3.config(text="you lost")

    label1.config(text=f":game_die::{dice1}     {dice2}::game_die:")


# window declaration
window = Tk()
window.title(':game_die:DICE GAME:game_die:') 
window.config(bg = '#ffffff')
window.geometry("800x410")


# button declaration
button = Button(window, text="throw")
button.config(font=('Verdana',50,'bold'))
button.config(command=throw)
button.config(compound='bottom')
button.config(bg="#89e0f0")
button.config(fg="#000000")
button.config(activebackground="#7dcddb")
button.config(activeforeground="#000000")
button.config(borderwidth=3)

# label 1 declaration
label1 = Label(window, text=f":game_die::{0}     {0}::game_die:")
label1.config(font=('Arial',100,'bold'))
label1.config(bg="#ffffff")
label1.config(fg="#000000")
label1.config(borderwidth=5)


# label 3 declaration
label3 = Label(window, text="lets play")
label3.config(font=('Arial',50,'bold'))
label3.config(bg="#ffffff")
label3.config(fg="#000000")
label3.config(borderwidth=5)

# packing GUI objects

label1.pack()
label3.pack(side=TOP)
button.pack(fill="x",side=BOTTOM)
window.mainloop()

basically this code is made for making a dice game.. for those who told me to do this in pygame, ll do it, but i really wanted to do this in tkinter first... anyways plz tell me your opinionsif you have some, thanks for understanding

srry if the dice is :game_die, but yea, i just copy pasted it....

[grim abyss]

you just copied and pasted ya say?

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[grim abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/the-more-you-know-meme-rainbow-gif-12513514

[fluid grail]

THANKS

[mild spear]

ima be real honest, nearly all of those things in the comparison are false

here's a list of what i think is wrong from that list and how to implement it in pygame-ce:

• drawing primitives support rotation = you can literally set it as an image for a sprite and rotate the image
• sprites support rotation = rotate the sprite's image and rect/mask
• sprites support scaling = scale up the sprite's image and rect
• texture atlas = save the image data to a surface
• transparency support = transparency of what exactly? i assume that "Must specify transparent colorkey" means "allowing" transparent parts of the image to be shown in the resulted surface, which is basically what convert_alpha does
• camera support = read https://pyga.me/docs/ref/camera.html
• batch drawing =
• pygame-ce's default hitbox being bigger than arcade's = you can easily fix that using masks
• tiled map support = use pytmx, it fits like a puzzle piece with pygame-ce

also, pygame-ce has web compatibility, thanks to pygbag https://pygame-web.github.io/

[mild spear]

goes to show that they didn't do thorough enough research beforehand

[limber veldt]

I thought the same things when I saw that comparison

That's not to say Arcade is not good, I know some enjoy it, just the comparison is simply invalid

[mild spear]

exactly what im trying to say, it's so frustrating for newbies to think like that due to things like these straying them away from the light /hj

[limber veldt]

Using pygame-ce's Window module opens even more possibilities, which reminds me to check back in on the progress with that module

[cerulean nimbus]

im continueing my pygame IDE any ideas i could i add im alr working on drag and drop and templates

[mild spear]

pygame.Window is public API now btw

[limber veldt]

Last I played with it was nearly a year ago, I think 2.5.1

[robust egret]

is there documention?

[mild spear]

https://pyga.me/docs/ref/window.html

[raven kernel]

rotate the sprite's image and rect
you cant rotate rects

[mild spear]

whoopsies, forgot to change that

[grand imp]

this is an ancient build off an ancient branch.

[grand imp]

EDIT:

1. ancient branch now-deleted months-old build-ID not normally visible unless you dig for it
2. ty for the heads up

Seriously, ty for the heads up that people are getting lost and confused by old builds.

Btw

We're very time limited due to a smaller team.

Anyone interested in starting a leaderboards metrics org to benchmark various games frameworks?

Imo, making that a repeatable build that can compare versions across frameworks as a table would be an excellent project.

[grand imp]

this isn't even on on our current doc?

I am deeply confused.

We moved it to _archive like... 7 months ago? https://github.com/pythonarcade/arcade/blob/ea6e01f4c778ff0b545edbc438e615efae579361/doc/_archive/pygame_comparison.rst

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doc/_archive/pygame_comparison.rst line 4

=================```

[grand imp]

Because it's out of date.

Sorry man, you got linked ancient doc builds. I'm going to assume this is a misunderstanding on the part of the poster

[limber veldt]

I should give Arcade a try, seems fun too

[grand imp]

both pygame-ce and Arcade have their strengths.

Arcade has an experimental shadertoy adapter

pygame-ce's strong at being "just SDL" (an undervalued ability!)

you can even use them together if you like pygame's sound handling better.

[grand imp]

btw, the old build ID is deleted now. This is what shows up on my side:

as a heads up, post-3.0.0 is going to have a lot of room for polishing. If something in the doc is wrong, has a typo, or is otherwise broken... let us know!

3.0.1 just released, and more eyes wouldn't hurt!

[mild spear]

got it, thanks for the info

[mild spear]

fyi pygame-ce supports opengl, and when paired with zengl it produces some pretty cool stuff

[grim abyss]

I'd never heard of ZenGL before. Looked it up and read about it some. Seems interesting and I'm glad OpenGL isn't going away anytime soon! Vulkan seems highly complicated to someone who isn't a gfx guru...

[mild spear]

just to make sure, you're reading the python binding for opengl and not the one from freepascal, right?

[grim abyss]

https://github.com/szabolcsdombi/zengl - Yeah, I don't dabble in freepascal

[mild spear]

yeah the one from freepascal is a diff thing entirely
also, zengl is a "simpler version" of moderngl, which i also recommend if you want more control over your opengl stuff

[grand imp]

It's SDL based still, right? You've understated pygame-ce's capabilities then.

1. Start with SDL like Valve
2. Pick your GL binding and get it access to the surface (I think)
3. Go to town

I don't know how to make each work in detail since there are a lot GL frameworks, but I know it's probably possible with each.

[grand imp]

Vulkan seems highly complicated to someone who isn't a gfx guru...
Vulkan's a pipeline factory, not a triangle pipeline

You're very right in your understanding that it's not the place to start.

From what I've been told, it's for when you need maximum control and efficiency.

[near trench]

Hi, could I get some help with setting up timers in pygame?

nvm

[raven kernel]

theres a really good video by clear code on it

[near trench]

Oh, well I already figured it out.

[near trench]

ok, i could use that video please just in case

[raven kernel]

https://youtu.be/YOCt8nsQqEo?list=PL8ui5HK3oSiHnIdi0XIAVXHAeulNmBrLy
I've also linked you the playlist

I've used this Timer class for ~3 years now
https://github.com/blankRiot96/pgbase/blob/main/src/utils/__init__.py#L626-L642

class Timer:
    """
    Class to check if time has passed.
    """

    def __init__(self, time_to_pass: float):
        self.time_to_pass = time_to_pass
        self.start = time.perf_counter()

    def reset(self):
        self.start = time.perf_counter()

    def tick(self) -> bool:
        if time.perf_counter() - self.start > self.time_to_pass:
            self.start = time.perf_counter()
            return True
        return False

[raven kernel]

beam

[humble glacier]

@grim abyss what are you gonna make in opengl?

[mild spear]

1. yes it is still SDL based (currently moving from sdl2 to sdl3)
2. wdym by "understated"? are you saying that I haven't described the actual capabilities and broader possibilities of what you can achieve with pygame-ce?
3. wdym by "go to town"? I'm not sure I understand your choice of words

[grand imp]

are you saying that I haven't described the actual capabilities and broader possibilities of what you can achieve with pygame-ce?
Sorta. My understanding is that with SDL, there's a way to say:

1. SDL, open a window
2. $YOUR_FAVORITE_OPENGL_FRAMEWORK, use that window!

so it's broader than just zengl if that's the case.

"go to town" is a US idiom, as in "do whatever very intensely and elaborately"

like "go to town with the particle effects on that level"

I forget what APIs are involved in sharing SDL window / GL rendering are, but I assume it's probably nicer than what pyglet does under the hood. It duplicates a lot of logic which SDL also implements, but it's a different usecase sort of.

pyglet's all pure python with 0 external dependencies.

So if you need pure Python and shaders, it's the right choice.

Each of these frameworks probably has a usecase where it's a better fit than the others.

[grand imp]

this is cool btw.

[raven kernel]

ty

[limber veldt]

My robot game uses nearly 200 images/surfaces/sequences of them and they're all being drawn with pygame.draw

Should I just save them and load them instead of keeping all this draw code?

[mild spear]

to my knowledge, this is true

[modest walrus]

i want to compile and convert my py file into an exe with nuitka, however i cant find a fix for this error i've tried exact path too using cd and it still wont work

[pine smelt]

is this just a line u decrease the width of over time

[raven kernel]

yeah

class EnergyBeam:
    FADE_DURATION = 0.7
    BEAM_WIDTH = 17.0

    def __init__(self):
        self._active = False
        self.alpha = 255
        self.start_time = time.perf_counter()
        self.first = True

    @property
    def active(self) -> bool:
        return self._active

    @active.setter
    def active(self, state: bool):
        self.start_time = time.perf_counter()
        self._active = state

    def draw(self, start_pos, end_pos):
        if not self._active:
            self.first = True
            return

        if self.first:
            self.start_pos = start_pos
            self.end_pos = utils.move_further(
                pygame.Vector2(end_pos), pygame.Vector2(start_pos)
            )
            self.first = False

        elapsed = time.perf_counter() - self.start_time
        width = EnergyBeam.BEAM_WIDTH * (1 - (elapsed / EnergyBeam.FADE_DURATION))
        pygame.draw.line(
            shared.screen,
            (255, 0, 0),
            shared.camera.transform(self.start_pos),
            shared.camera.transform(self.end_pos),
            width=int(width),
        )

        if width <= 1:
            self._active = False

[brazen fractal]

hi

can anyone help
?

[pine smelt]

need to see ur code to help

[limber veldt]

Having methods defined in the __init__() method seems awkward, sure that's correct?

!paste and if you need to share code, use this

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[cerulean nimbus]

i want to intergrate a pygame window in pyqt should i go "low level"and use the QtOpenGl?

[cerulean nimbus]

made it without having to go low level 🥳

[cerulean nimbus]

random question but how did your chess project turn out ?

[limber veldt]

Turned out nice except I still have a couple of issues with it, being lazy lately

[cerulean nimbus]

welp sometimes you need to take a break to get back productive in it

[limber veldt]

Yeah, I went hard for a few months, so need a break

[cerulean nimbus]

like look at me im doing a project i was doing a year ago restarted fully with it and now im even further than i was before

soon ill have my own pygame IDE

[limber veldt]

Still planning more projects too, and have been messing around with a different project a little

[cerulean nimbus]

ooh nice

[cerulean nimbus]

i dunno if it will be possible but im planning to have drag and drop feature for gui

[limber veldt]

I really want to get my robot game into something publishable, too

[cerulean nimbus]

i hope it turns out well for you 🫡

[limber veldt]

Same to you with your gui project

[cerulean nimbus]

ty its also for script loading and stuff to make pygame itself easier

its just something to make future projects have some more efficiency

[whole garnet]

I created a similar class in my utility lib, https://github.com/andrewthederp/Andreaws_utility_lib/blob/main/utilities/pygame_utilities/__init__.py#L29-L50

the main difference is that it is made to run a function after x seconds instead of telling you when x seconds have passed. I wanted to share to get opinions

[pine smelt]

not fully aware how pygame.time.get_ticks works but does this handle deltatime

is it also possible to implement a repeating thing, like a function is scheduled to run in x seconds, and then repeatedly runs it again every y seconds

[limber veldt]

get_ticks() returns milliseconds since pygame.init() afaik

[whole garnet]

although support for loops isn't built into the class, you can do it like this ```py
scheduler = Scheduler()

later on

def foo():
# insert cool logic here
scheduler.run_in(foo, seconds=y)

scheduler.run_in(foo, seconds=x)

[nimble sky]

cool any updates?

[raven kernel]

i have exams for a bit, so no updates

[nimble sky]

can we dms? i wana ask smt about the game

[raven kernel]

i dont want to use dms, you can ask it here

[light matrix]

how to create a void

[cerulean nimbus]

WDYM

sorry caps lock

[light matrix]

okay

[cerulean nimbus]

no i meant like explain it some more so we can help you

[light matrix]

i want to start learning how to create a game

[cerulean nimbus]

like from start ?

[humble glacier]

Then why did you say void instead of game?

[grand imp]

how much Python do you know?

[humble glacier]

Who left this cheese here?

[night quiver]

A Rat
cause there is python here...

[idle root]

Welp, python is just wayyyy to complicated..Ima do Luau for nowww :D. If anybody want to collaborate on a project for Roblox lemme know (In the process of learning luau😌)

[peak grove]

python complicated? 😮 just takes some time to get used to i think, I picked it up in december and am currently making an open source text-based MUD, nothing fancy sure, but I learned all kinds of stuff in the past 2 months, import, export, read, write, concatenate, threading, sockets/servers, i'm setting up to learn encryption like SHA and how to setup ZTNA - don't give up, python is amazing

[idle root]

Ooo niceee, yea see I’m just a lil bit slow ngl, but it’s cool I’ll get it eventually😎..But for now- LUAA TIME😆

[peak grove]

it definitely was a learning curve, one first functions i built was the pickup object and holy crap did that take forever to figure out,

[modern flint]

You might also enjoy Godot, it's a game engine with an editor and stuff, so a lot of things are more visual (and some people tend to find that more intuitive)
Brackeys Godot tutorial on YouTube is pretty nice, I'd recommend that

[cerulean nimbus]

version 2 of pygame embedded in pyqt feels more stable

[frank field]

Click here to see this code in our pastebin.

[cerulean nimbus]

previouse version i was only able to redraw my screen onto a PyQt window now i can also interact with it without the need of creating to much confusion and stuff

the red dot is my cursor was checking if i can do mouse events

[upper path]

ive been trying to make in game window with pygame widgets but when i try to move the window the buttons for the window bugs can somone help me with this

[craggy gyro]

what game

[upper path]

well its not really a game its for tile map creator

[craggy gyro]

ok bet ill help you out

[upper path]

alr i send the code for it wait a min

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[upper path]

yo bro are you from iran?

[craggy gyro]

yessir

[upper path]

pashmam

tonesti moshkel ro befahmi?

[craggy gyro]

yeah bro

[upper path]

whats the problem?

[craggy gyro]

so change the pygame.display to just pygame

it shoulw be class Window:

also with capital W

pygame.display.set_mode()

import pygame
from pygame_widgets import button

Initialize pygame

pygame.init()

Set up the screen

screen = pygame.display.set_mode((800, 600))
pygame.display.set_caption('Window Example')

Define the Window class

class Window:
def init(self, screen):
self.screen = screen
# Create a button at position (100, 100) with width 200, height 50
self.button = button.Button(self.screen, 100, 100, 200, 50, text='Click Me', fontSize=30)

def draw(self):
    # Fill the screen with black
    self.screen.fill((0, 0, 0))
    # Draw the button
    self.button.draw()

def handle_events(self, event):
    # Handle events for the button
    self.button.listen(event)

Create a list to store window instances

windows = [Window(screen)]

Main loop

running = True
while running:
for event in pygame.event.get():
if event.type == pygame.QUIT:
running = False
for window in windows:
window.handle_events(event)

for window in windows:
    window.draw()

pygame.display.update()

Quit Pygame

pygame.quit()

[idle root]

You’re a professional holyyyy😵‍💫..I couldn’t even do 3 lines by myself. Like I learned the basics but I had no idea to apply that to like a mini project or something by myself.

[idle root]

I will give it a watch, thank you!

[humble glacier]

Anyone want to work on an isometric game with me?

[humble glacier]

I have this idea. A kirby game in isometric view. Either 3d models with pixel shader or pixel art. Kirby and his friends(multiplayer) fight monsters by spitting out blocks that slide and break into enemies. It'd also be a metroidvania.

Or maybe a roguelike

[humble glacier]

It would be in javascript and c

Nah sorry I'm set on using javascript and c

Reason being is I want it to be easy to play in browser with multiple people

[rancid stone]

where would you be using c tho? cant you handle it with just jsz three.js for example + wasm

[humble glacier]

Wasm is usually compiled down from another language like c for instance. But I am using c for the server and js for the renderer.

[rancid stone]

fair enough c for server is a crazy choice tho

personally i would prolly go rust

[nimble sky]

hey guys im looking for someone who would make and app or game with me

[pseudo bolt]

I really want to know does anyone use paygame for production?

[plush comet]

Hello, idk where to ask for devs but is someone hireable?! I want to create for new Mac’s and older Mac’s in pyqt5 a Roblox Fisch macro! Dm me if ur interested

[open plover]

!rule 9

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[pine smelt]

what do u mean accurate size

[bold hill]

https://youtu.be/6QfMNsjn9Zg?si=w0I29sWqpB3m32BD&t=153 im having some trouble with using a world map

from settings import *

text_map = ['ww.wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww',
            'w...w..w.wwwwww......w',
            'w....................w',
            'wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.ww']

world_map = set()

for j,row in enumerate(text_map):
    for i, char in enumerate(row):
        if char == 'w':
            world_map.add((i * TILE, j * TILE ))

error is that TILE is not defined: [fixed]

for x,y in text_map:
^^^
ValueError: too many values to unpack (expected 2)

[open plover]

Did you forget enumerate?

[bold hill]

I don't think so I followed the tutorial 100% of the way

[bold hill]

@open plover

[near trench]

I need help, I made a button class, and when I call it and use it, the print statement happens 3-5 times instead of just one time. I tried everything looking at tutorials, changing my framerate, even using AI, please what am I doing wrong? ```class Button():
def init(self, x, y, image, scale=1, fade=False):
width = image.get_width()
height = image.get_height()
self.image = image.convert_alpha()
self.image = pygame.transform.scale(image, (int(widthscale), int(heightscale)))
self.rect = self.image.get_rect()
self.rect.topleft = (x, y)
self.fade = fade #Store if we should fade
self.alpha = 0 if fade else 255 #Start invisible if fading, visible if not
self.clicked = False

def draw(self, screen): 

    #get mouse position
    pos = pygame.mouse.get_pos()

    #check mouseover and clicked conditions
    if self.rect.collidepoint(pos):
        """
        0 is the left mouse button
        1 is the middle mouse button
        2 is the right mouse button
        """
        if pygame.mouse.get_pressed()[0] == 1 and self.clicked == False:
            self.clicked = True
            print('CLICKED')

        if pygame.mouse.get_pressed()[0] == 0:
            self.clicked = False 
            
    if self.fade:
        if self.alpha < 255:
            self.alpha += 3 #Adjust speed of fade
            if self.alpha > 255:
                self.alpha = 255 #Make sure the value does not surpass 255.
        self.image.set_alpha(self.alpha) #Set the alpha value
        screen.blit(self.image, (self.rect.x, self.rect.y))
    else:
        screen.blit(self.image, (self.rect.x, self.rect.y))```

how I call it: ```
button_scale = 3

    play_button_width = play_button_img.get_width()
    x = (960 - (play_button_width * button_scale)) // 2
    

    play_button = Button(x - 3, 350, play_button_img, button_scale, True)

    play_button.draw(screen)

[whole garnet]

are you creating a new Button instance every frame?

[near trench]

what do you mean?

[whole garnet]

        play_button = Button(x - 3, 350, play_button_img, button_scale, True)
        play_button.draw(screen)

is this code snippet inside your main game loop?

[near trench]

ok, so it's in my menu class, which is called in the game loop

[whole garnet]

play_button = Button(x - 3, 350, play_button_img, button_scale, True) should only be defined once

[near trench]

it is defined once

[whole garnet]

if you define it every frame, then you will keep creating a new instance, and with a new instance self.clicked will False and thus print('CLICKED') will print for as long as left click is down

[near trench]

how do I define it in every frame?

[whole garnet]

can you show more code

!paste

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[near trench]

ok

my full code?

[whole garnet]

yea

[near trench]

pasted it

[whole garnet]

yes, so you're defining the variable more than once. You run my_menu.show_menu('Passing') inside your gameloop which mean that everything inside my_menu.show_menu func is run every frame

what you can do to fix this is define play_button = Button(x - 3, 350, play_button_img, button_scale, True) a self.play_button = ... inside the __init__ and then in the show_menu you can do self.play_button.draw(screen)

btw, there's a pygame extension that you can use to help make menus/gui's https://pypi.org/project/pygame-gui/ (docs https://pygame-gui.readthedocs.io/en/latest/) if you're interested in checking it out

[near trench]

ok

[near trench]

TYSM

I really owe you one

[limber veldt]

And the issue with registering many clicks is because you're using get_pressed() which registers a press for as long as you hold the mouse button instead of just one click

I would add an event check for the mouse button and call the button object when that happens

[limber veldt]

I made some placeholders (since I don't have your fonts or images) and implemented that https://paste.pythondiscord.com/62YQ

That looks great, btw

Made a get_clicked() method in the button to call when the event loop catches a mouse button down

So it only registers a click, not a hold

[near trench]

I need help with my fade code, it works when it fades it, but crashes when it attempts to fade out ```def fade(width, height):
fade = pygame.Surface((width, height))
fade.fill((0,0,0))
for alpha in range(0, 300):
fade.set_alpha(alpha)
screen.blit(fade, (0,0))
pygame.display.update()
pygame.time.delay(5)

for alpha in range(300, 0, -1):
    fade.set_alpha(alpha)
    screen.blit(fade, (0,0))
    pygame.display.update()
    pygame.time.delay(5)```

[grand imp]

1. post the error message
2. you sure that's the right way to be doing that delay? looks like it'll block all other events

[livid parrot]

What library is most recommended for game dev with python?

[vagrant saddle]

you can't go wrong with pygame-ce or Panda3D

[livid parrot]

Sure bro, thanks

I'll search for them

I know the python basics, more to intermediate learns.

It's most recommended learn more the python OOP before code with py game and panda3d?

[modern flint]

I'd say yes, understanding at least the basics of OOP will help you a lot, without that knowledge you'll probably find these libraries way more confusing
At least that was my experience with pygame-ce

[livid parrot]

Thanks

[nimble oriole]

i need a bit of help

im having an issue where after i defeat an enemy in my game instead of a random new enemy spawning its the same one i killed with 0hp

now i am making this in python 3 its text based

im super new

`while play:
clear()
draw()
print('1. ENTER DUNGEON')
print('2. ENTER TAVERN')
print('3. SAVE GAME')
print('4. QUIT')
draw2()

    choice = input('>>> ')

    if choice == '1':
        clear()
        enemy
        dungeon = True
        play = False
    elif choice == '2':
        clear()
        shop = True
        play = False
    elif choice == '3':
        clear()
        save()
    elif choice == '4':
        quit()`

enemy = random.choice(e_list)

[whole garnet]

is that all the code?

[nimble oriole]

no

one sec

@whole garnet

[frank field]

Click here to see this code in our pastebin.

[whole garnet]

the problem is that you create the enemy outside the loop

[nimble oriole]

yeah i just fixed it

but thx anyway!

i just started python yesterday so im still learning the basics

[livid parrot]

Good bro

[near trench]

So 1 the delay works, 2 there is no error message it just either freezes a bit then continues or just skips the fade in

[near trench]

Can someone please give me code in pygame that correctly fades in and out the screen

[next estuary]

I realized since everything in my game is stored in arrays of floats I could draw them as bitmaps for debug purposes lol. Kinda fun to watch.
I call it the "Debug Barcode"

[frank field]

Click here to see this code in our pastebin.

[cerulean nimbus]

decrease there A value of RGBA per x ms

def main():
    pygame.init()
    screen = pygame.display.set_mode((640, 480))
    pygame.display.set_caption("Opacity Example")

    running = True
    opacity = 255
    opacity_direction = -5

    clock = pygame.time.Clock()
    current_time = 0
    previous_time = 0

    block = pygame.surface.Surface((50, 50))


    while running:
        delta_time = clock.tick(60) / 1000.0
        current_time += delta_time

        if current_time - previous_time > 0.05:
            previous_time = current_time
            opacity += opacity_direction
            if opacity <= 0 or opacity >= 255:
                opacity_direction *= -1


        for event in pygame.event.get():
            if event.type == pygame.QUIT:
                running = False

        screen.fill((255, 255, 255))

        block.fill((255, 0, 0))
        block.set_alpha(opacity)
        screen.blit(block, (100, 100))
        pygame.display.flip()

    pygame.quit()

something like this for example

[cerulean nimbus]

its not realy crashing its more blocking your window from events and rendering making you the user probably click in between the sleep function making windows (or whatever your using ) say like hey your not getting a response maybe this app is broken

[limber veldt]

I usually send dt to everything that animates and base the animation on it. Like make an object with an update() method, drop it in a group and update the group

[cerulean nimbus]

yeah that is an aproach i would mostly do

[limber veldt]

pygame sprites and groups make it fairly easy

[cerulean nimbus]

jup

[cerulean nimbus]

def trigger_fade_in(b, duration=1000):
    def fade_in(b, duration):
        prev_alpha = b.image.get_alpha()
        for i in range(prev_alpha):
            b.image.set_alpha(i)
            pygame.time.wait(duration // prev_alpha)
    threading.Thread(target=fade_in, args=(b, duration)).start()
```also a different aproach i like to do, this is with a sprite class tho

[pine smelt]

does threading not get messy for something like that

a timer + dt seems more consistent

[cerulean nimbus]

yeah

[honest drift]

I drew these, they're not that great but maybe someone will find them useful 🙂

They will need touching up tho

heres more in a different style 🙂

And these which are photographs I traced, they will need editing tho

Don't use as they are, please edit them to fit your needs/projects. Animations maybe a bit off but should be an easy enough fix. If you use, they're yours, you don't need to credit me. I don't do sprite work for pay/work, this is apart of my game dev that never got used.

[robust egret]

@slow copper how done is the game_state lib?

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[robust egret]

@slow copper why not use hasattr?

[red jasper]

Quick and might dumb question
Basing a horror game on the book "i have no mouth and i must scream" would violate its copyrights?

[slow copper]

It's pretty much done, there are just some stuff I have to fix in the docs

[slow copper]

Uhh I'll have to look into that

Also I have to add some examples for the connect_state_hook

[robust egret]

there is nothing such as a dumb question, it will violate copyright if you copied it exactly; you could try and ask for a license from the holder tho

you should be able to copy the concept and feel without violating it

[red jasper]

Let's see how can i explain
I want to illustrate that book from my point of view
Give it more depth, more horror, make ppl disgust and hate the idea as much as AM disgust and hate humanity
For the things that i feel it would fall into the copyright zone
As much as it would be a "new story", it would use the same concept and some of its characters (prob just AM ngl), everything else would come from myself
Still idk
What you think?

Also it's a book from harlan ellison, i don't think they would just give me a license that easy xD

And if the game gets its fame, would love to purchase it's rights for a sequence, people need to know what true horror is 🙏

[robust egret]

sounds fine, as long as you change the character name

[red jasper]

New story in between " because at some points the story would connect to the book, so still dk

[red jasper]

The fun of it is the name 😭
But srs wouldnt be any problem? I mean, everything else

[robust egret]

everything else, ye

[red jasper]

As the perspective would come from the humans who made am, calling it AI to not violate any copyright and further open a path for a future licensed sequence aint bad ngl

[red jasper]

Them
It's time to make the most gruesome horror game humanity has the chance to play 🙏

And really thx

[red jasper]

Btw another question
Till which level of gore this discord tolerates?
Cuz would love to talk and get some ideias as i make the game
And as much it wont have the "bloody" type of gore, it would have some
As an example, empty heads used as laterns, crucified decomposed bodies and so on
Things that wont make it pg18 but still makes ppl understand how cruel the machine is

Or better
How much it hates the humanity and loves to use it's concept agaisnt it

[robust egret]

not sure, you could ask @light nest, also add an option to disable gore, i understand if it is a main thing that if you really want to share it

[red jasper]

Disable to the game?

[robust egret]

like turn it off yea?

[red jasper]

I mean, it's the main part of the horror
Not the gore itself, ofc, what the machine does to the ones who made him

And ngl

Idk how to censor it without losing it's value lmao

[robust egret]

sometimes it is necessary so make it pink and add flowers lol

[red jasper]

It will be pink and have flowers
On the bodies of ppl that loves pink and flower 🙏

That sounds goofy af lmao

But yeah
I really dk how to do that

[robust egret]

depending on the engine, there is for sure some tutorials that are related

[red jasper]

Funny thing
Idk which engine would give me the best comeback for the visuals i want

Yk those 3d models used on older games, like the first fallout?

Lemme take a pic

Quality is dead lol

So

I would like to do smt like that
But in a modern way

Better graphs but still the same strange atmosphere those older 3d renders had

And ofc
Idk almost anything about gamemaking neither modeling 🙏

[robust egret]

I've seen games made in modern engines mimic the same graphic

[robust egret]

dam, and you just jumping to a big project like that? bare handed?

[red jasper]

Oh
Which? Would love to see how they used it

[robust egret]

currently, I cannot recall any but if I rememberd I would hopefully tell you

@red jasper you will have to know which tools to pick and master them or at least became decent at them and join a dev server and make friends, share what you done and you going to do it will motivtate you

[red jasper]

Yeah
It came to me that something simple would be too boring overtime
As much as i would love to make a pokemon romhack or anything pixelated
I would give up as fast as scooby runs from a ghost
So taking something i like and know is likely the best way to start
It will be really hard, i get it, but at least i wont give up as i did before (one day i will finish pokemon brazil 🙏)

[robust egret]

wish you the best of luck

[red jasper]

Yup, btw anything you have knowledge of that could be a help feel free to tell me

Where to look, what could be helpful, what should i learn
Anything really

[red jasper]

Thank you

[slow copper]

There also seems to be a game on it too https://store.steampowered.com/app/245390/I_Have_No_Mouth_and_I_Must_Scream/

Steam

I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream

Assume the roles of five different characters, each in a unique environmentChallenging dilemmas dealing with powerfully charged emotional issuesProvocative psychological and adult-oriented themesBased on Harlan Ellison's short story "I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream", one of the ten most reprinted stories in the English languageFull digitized ...

Price

$5.99

Recommendations

2287

▶ Play video

[robust egret]

welp that's demotivating..

[red jasper]

Yup

But the game is more likely an "playable book" than anything

Also if i remember it right, harlan itself gave his voice for am on this game, cuz no one could portrait his hate as much as its own author

[robust egret]

research the struggles of a newbies, for example finding out why newbies struggle in programming would help you learn programming, I prefer reading you may prefer watching depends

[red jasper]

And here i am
Shitting on harlan saying his view of hate wasnt enough xD

[red jasper]

I do both honestly
But mostly for me it's easier to learn with pratice

[robust egret]

this website has a ton of resources from different fields you may see them interesting https://learn-anything.xyz/
also checkout cs50

[red jasper]

Thanks again

[robust egret]

np

[red jasper]

Also pretty much there's a lots of games that uses his "rage agaisnt the humanity" concept, and in my vision
None of do it right
It will be pretty hard to make me demotivated xD

[robust egret]

that's awesome to hear. you seem to be so excited lol

[red jasper]

I do am
Have an epiphany today which gave me everything i had missing to continue this project

Adrenaline is too high lmao

Also i really need to improve my english for the game writing

[robust egret]

also, this can be a property

[slow copper]

I'm not really a big fan of python properties tbh, it's just methods under the hood being treated as attributes

[robust egret]

oh well

[raven kernel]

name mangling 😩

[slow copper]

Ill probably change it to protected attribute so people can subclass the StateManager and do as they wish

[flint jasper]

Hi I do a Scrabble game (machine vs human) and i do all the backend but for the frontend I dont know if I use pygame or Tkinter or an other library (im good in backend but frontend.....)

Do you have an idea of what library I can use for this mini game ?

(terminal exemple for scrabble solver with better french words)

[vagrant saddle]

there are plenty of pygame scrabble boards around so you are safe picking pygame-ce ( works on web too )

[flint jasper]

okk thx I will see that

[cyan girder]

Hello I've just learned the basics off python and want to start coding projects, I found this interesting library named pygame and want to use it to visualize maze generation

Any advice you can give to me?

I've done a little research myself and realized that they are maze generation algorithms, how do i implement this into pygame

[limber veldt]

Maybe some pygame tutorials, that's how I started using it

Already having python basics is recommended, at least being ready to start learning objects and classes

[red jasper]

About the IHNMAIMS inspired horror game, i set on a possible triology, the first game would be targeted to the fear of the unknow, the gameplay would be a more survival style with puzzles, quick action, exploration and so on, still studying what will fit it the best.
The second one, would be targeted to the rage agaisnt the unknow, so more action, combat, ofc nothing too complex but neither too simple, just something that tells the player now he have control over this world, he can fight back his fears and so on, again, need to study more on the topic. The second game would still act a bit with the "fear of the unknow" theme, but nothing too deep.
The third one, the end of the trilogy would be targeted on the escape from the unknow, now here is where i got some issues
The first and second as much as they will base of the book, they wont follow it's path, its more of the untold, the war, AM against humanity and so on, i don't really recall the right word to describe, but would be the entrace to the third game
The third game on the other hand would almost fully follows the book, if the first to games gets some attention, i pretend to buy the license of the book to make the third game as similar as possible, but even them, idk if i will even be able to buy its license, which gets me to a place where idk what to do after the second one
I came with the idea for the second to end as a simulation (something AM would do ngl) from the machine or in case i am not able to purchase the license, an update with the second game end on a simulation therefore the saga can end there.
Would this be too crazy? Am i planning to much? You guys have any ideas how i could excecute this in a better way or where i could improve my storytelling skills?

[cyan girder]

Are you using python for this?

Seems way too ambitious for a solo dev

[red jasper]

It is
But idk how to express myself enough so ppl would understand and help me

[red jasper]

Still studying python, but if it works well with my idea, why not

And
It's not a project for today
I know it will take at least 2-4 years of me, but is something i will love to spend all that time in

[still saffron]

Don't forget to take breaks

[limber veldt]

I think it's great to have a long term goal, many baby steps along the way though

[calm light]

@red jasper hope you succeed 🍀

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[robust egret]

@slow copper this is bad practice, setting window and manager for the State class instead of initializing them in __init__.
I understand you are not a fan of properties but that what they are made for, in case I wanted to replace the window, how would do that?
make a window attribute and for States a window property to get it from the manager, also make it settable

[cyan girder]

What's state?
This is the first time I've seen it

[humble glacier]

Looks like a class they made. You working on the same project?

[robust egret]

this is just a project called game_state by jiggly balls. I am just pointing out some things. you could check it in their profile

[robust egret]

no, I am just using it for my project

[slow copper]

I'm not quite sure if I fully understand, if you want to replace the window you can just do State.window = ... and everything will work fine

And properties are made for instance attributes or instance attribute controlling a class attribute, if I want to truly make properties on a class attribute without an instance I'd have to use metaclasses

I'm pretty sure I'm misunderstanding something, please correct me

[slow copper]

https://github.com/Jiggly-Balls/game-state

It's a package for pygame to handle different screens

You can check the docs https://game-state.readthedocs.io/en/latest/

although it still needs some updates

[vagrant saddle]

and it should avoid nested loops, that way of looping is nor battery efficient nor web friendly

have a look to https://glyph.twistedmatrix.com/2022/02/a-better-pygame-mainloop.html for main loop and for web how to move from "run" to a one shot "update" https://github.com/pmp-p/pygame-breakout-wasm

[robust egret]

my issue is it seems hacky and doesn't make sense of why someone would do that, a class is suppose to be a template to build upon and doesn't that limit the whole program to use a single StateManager? what about multi window games/apps

also making a window a property to access the window attr from the manager makes sense in a programming perspective

[slow copper]

I see, thanks for sharing this, will probably have to redesign the library from scratch and release it on v2

[slow copper]

Can you make a PR if you'd like to

[slow copper]

And also yeah, the library only limits to a single window. I had thought about this while making the library and trying to support multiple windows would quickly make everything complicated harder to read

[red jasper]

Quick question folks
How should i organize my projects to not get lost in the way?
Rn just building the main concept but it's already starting to get messy lmao

[pine smelt]

as in planning the idea?

[weak agate]

Does anyone know anything about blueprint coding?

[near trench]

I need help with this code, because the plan is over four times, in the intro class text is shown then faded out, but for the first cycle it isn't working, here's the pasted pygame code: https://paste.pythondiscord.com/EO6Q

[cerulean nimbus]

i use to do apps to organise on what to do and to get rid off messyness i just put it in folders and files corresponding to there needs

[cerulean nimbus]

most off the time when you "finish" a feature you wont have to re-enter that folder or file unless its for catching some bugs and errors

[acoustic path]

Does anyone have an opinion on Pygame-ce vs. the Arcade library?

[frigid jewel]

I don't, but I will say that despite all the positive reviews about arcade, I never see anyone mention it. Last I heard arcade has no support for 3d, so maybe that's an issue?

[acoustic path]

I think they can do isometric but yeah that's not really 3D. I'm interested in them because they seem to have way more tutorials on their website than Pygame-ce. I briefly tried Pygame years ago and just kind of dropped it for that reason.

[frigid jewel]

Have you considered godot? there was a big update that just came out.

[acoustic path]

No, I haven't looked into it at all. Is it any good?

[vagrant saddle]

pygame-ce does not rely on GPU, so it can run on web or a toaster, it is the library that you will learn once and reuse everywhere. Panda3D does 3D and everything you can dream of on gpu,web and toasters but it is longer to learn. if you want to just make a game with an editor use Godot or UpBGE

[frigid jewel]

It's a full blown game engine, that uses it's own scripting language that is similar to python.

[robust egret]

guys after hours of debugging I realized I cannot modify a rect attribute from my own class??

is there ANY workaround for this?

maybe I am not debugging enough

nvm

[cerulean nimbus]

i love clip rects so much :)

[acoustic path]

What do you mean by you will learn Pygame-ce once and use it everywhere? Does it have uses outside of games? Also I don't know if it's worth mentioning but I guess I technically already know Python, I've been using it for awhile.

[orchid cove]

what vs theme is that, ayu?

[robust egret]

it's "after dark no italics"

I believe it comes bulitin

[next estuary]

Geometry shader based procgen terrain

Ignore the rapid day/night cycle haha

[tired reef]

Is Panda 3D ok?

[vagrant saddle]

what for ?

[tired reef]

Game /simulation creation

[vagrant saddle]

really good for sim, maybe not so handy for games because no easy editor so use blender or alike

[cerulean nimbus]

i think the font looks good size will probably change them to svg icons tho

[next estuary]

Panda3D is good for making something from the ground up, Ursina (Built on P3D) is good if you want a lot of premade code and "nice to haves", you can do a lot with shaders with these compared to a lot of other game engines. If you just want a simple engine for 2D stuff pygame is good.

[tired reef]

Well I want to make my own kind of CAD software sorry I don't have to pay for the expensive licenses and what not

[pine smelt]

theyre all free python libraries

[tired reef]

I know but why mean is I'm trying to make my own CAD so I don't have to use anything expensive if I can make it myself

[tired reef]

Any tips I may need

[next estuary]

Get really good with numpy vectorization

Learn how GPUs process triangles, normals, and UVs

[tired reef]

UVs?

Is there a tutorial video that I can find?

[tired reef]

Are there any tutorials I may be able to follow I am sorry I ain't just been having a long day

[normal silo]

https://www.freecad.org/

[tired reef]

Thanks

[next estuary]

OpenSCAD is good too, you can design stuff in OpenSCAD then import it into Ursina / other things. Also free but rather than an actual editor you write code to make your models.

[next estuary]

https://learnopengl.com/Getting-started/OpenGL

This doesn't have a ton of examples but is a great resource for "how things work" with opengl

[tired reef]

Thank you

[cerulean nimbus]

focus updates :D

@hybrid yacht

[hybrid yacht]

u got windows inside windows ?

[cerulean nimbus]

yes

[hybrid yacht]

thats funny looking

i imagine making the ball not escape during drag must have been a fun time

[cerulean nimbus]

no it was easy

[cerulean nimbus]

you just make the window content rect a clip rect

[cerulean nimbus]

from pygame_windows.content import WindowContent

class Bouncingball(WindowContent):
    # this is a subclass of WindowContent to demonstrate how to create a custom content class
    def __init__(self):
        super().__init__()
        self.x = 20
        self.y = 20
        self.dx = 0.1
        self.dy = 0
        self.gravity = 0.01

    def _draw(self, screen):
        self.draw_circle(screen, (self.x, self.y), 10, (255, 0, 0))
        self.x += self.dx
        self.y += self.dy
        self.dy += self.gravity

        # Check for bounce
        if self.y + 10 >= self.bounding_box.height:
            self.y = self.bounding_box.height - 10
            self.dy = -self.dy * 0.8  # Reverse direction and reduce speed

        # if it hits the top, reverse direction
        if self.y - 10 <= 0:
            self.y = 9

        # Reset bounce if speed is very low
        if abs(self.dy) < 0.1 and self.y + 10 >= self.bounding_box.height:
            import random
            self.dy = random.uniform(-5, 1)

        if self.x + 10 >= self.bounding_box.width:
            self.x = self.bounding_box.width - 10
            self.dx = -self.dx

        if self.x - 10 <= 0:
            self.x = 10
            self.dx = -self.dx

this is to draw in a window

its the little ball simulation

[tired reef]

Why can't this be resolved

[tranquil girder]

Because you named the file panda3d.py probably, which replaces panda3d.

But there are also cases where tools like Pylance can't resolve things, because of how dynamic Python is. So it doesn't necessarily mean something's wrong, unlike a Python error.

[tired reef]

So do I have to change the name and most likely reinstall the module?

[tired reef]

Do I have to reinstall pip

[tranquil girder]

No, just rename the file

[tired reef]

I made a new file and it's still giving me the same error

[tired reef]

i still have the error

from direct.showbase.ShowBase import ShowBase
ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'direct'

[pine plinth]

do you still have a panda3d.py file?

[tired reef]

yes but i deleted it

[tired reef]

I deleted it and now I reinstalled the file and it's still not giving me the window that I shouldn't be seeing

from panda3d.core import *
ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'panda3d.core'; 'panda3d' is not a package

[pine plinth]

the existence of the file is creating you problems

[tired reef]

But I deleted the file it shouldn't that mean that it's not getting any type of error from that

[pine plinth]

what error do you get?

import panda3d
print(1)
import panda3d.core
print(2)
``` try running this

[tired reef]

from panda3d.core import *
ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'panda3d.core'; 'panda3d' is not a package

[pearl elk]

can anyone help me im trying to import a map using tiled i installed pytmx and imported the pygame_load but its not working and its giving me this errors: D:\Users\noam\PycharmProject\FRvampiresurvival.venv\Scripts\python.exe D:\Users\noam\PycharmProject\FRvampiresurvival.venv\code\main.py
pygame-ce 2.5.3 (SDL 2.30.12, Python 3.11.9)
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "D:\Users\noam\PycharmProject\FRvampiresurvival.venv\code\main.py", line 57, in <module>
game = Game()
^^^^^^
File "D:\Users\noam\PycharmProject\FRvampiresurvival.venv\code\main.py", line 21, in init
self.setup()
File "D:\Users\noam\PycharmProject\FRvampiresurvival.venv\code\main.py", line 27, in setup
map = load_pygame(join('data', 'maps_dir', 'world.tmx'))
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
File "D:\Users\noam\PycharmProject\FRvampiresurvival.venv\Lib\site-packages\pytmx\util_pygame.py", line 183, in load_pygame
return pytmx.TiledMap(filename, *args, **kwargs)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
File "D:\Users\noam\PycharmProject\FRvampiresurvival.venv\Lib\site-packages\pytmx\pytmx.py", line 549, in init
self.parse_xml(ElementTree.parse(self.filename).getroot())
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
File "C:\Program Files\WindowsApps\PythonSoftwareFoundation.Python.3.11_3.11.2544.0_x64__qbz5n2kfra8p0\Lib\xml\etree\ElementTree.py", line 1219, in parse
tree.parse(source, parser)
File "C:\Program Files\WindowsApps\PythonSoftwareFoundation.Python.3.11_3.11.2544.0_x64__qbz5n2kfra8p0\Lib\xml\etree\ElementTree.py", line 570, in parse
source = open(source, "rb")
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'data\maps_dir\world.tmx'

Process finished with exit code 1

[cerulean nimbus]

the pathing is probably wrong can you send your folderstructure ?

[pearl elk]

sure

here

[cerulean nimbus]

make the data folder out of your .venv folder

and then try again

[pearl elk]

ok

[cerulean nimbus]

also make use of pathlib

[pearl elk]

i cant move the data folder

nevermind did it

D:\Users\noam\PycharmProject\FRvampiresurvival.venv\Scripts\python.exe D:\Users\noam\PycharmProject\FRvampiresurvival.venv\code\main.py
pygame-ce 2.5.3 (SDL 2.30.12, Python 3.11.9)
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "D:\Users\noam\PycharmProject\FRvampiresurvival.venv\code\main.py", line 57, in <module>
game = Game()
^^^^^^
File "D:\Users\noam\PycharmProject\FRvampiresurvival.venv\code\main.py", line 20, in init
self.setup()
File "D:\Users\noam\PycharmProject\FRvampiresurvival.venv\code\main.py", line 26, in setup
map = load_pygame('data', 'maps', 'world.tmx')
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
File "D:\Users\noam\PycharmProject\FRvampiresurvival.venv\Lib\site-packages\pytmx\util_pygame.py", line 183, in load_pygame
return pytmx.TiledMap(filename, *args, **kwargs)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
TypeError: TiledMap.init() got multiple values for argument 'image_loader'

[cerulean nimbus]

im not familiar with pytmx

[pearl elk]

oh ok

thanks anyway

[cerulean nimbus]

no worries

also i think you can export a tiled map to csv might be easier to deal with

[pearl elk]

yea ik

[cerulean nimbus]

https://www.youtube.com/clearcode

[pearl elk]

but thats much easier im preety sure

[cerulean nimbus]

he has some tutorials on using Tile

[pearl elk]

im watching his vid rn

[cerulean nimbus]

he might have one with pymtx

[cerulean nimbus]

oh nice XD which one

[pearl elk]

Master Python by making 5 games [the new ultimate introduction to pygame]

[cerulean nimbus]

oooh that is a nice one

[pearl elk]

yea i love how his explaining everything

[cerulean nimbus]

working on windows in windows

[pearl elk]

lol

[limber veldt]

He makes long tutorials but they cover every aspect of his projects, one of my favorites

[pearl elk]

yea his the best

[cerulean nimbus]

his explaining is good and his "interactions" with the watchers are also nice

[pearl elk]

yea

[cerulean nimbus]

@limber veldt (sorry for the ping) do you know a good aproach for it

[limber veldt]

Not really, I'm not familiar enough with threads

[pearl elk]

sst are you familiar with pytmx ?

[limber veldt]

Only what was shown in some ClearCode tutorials, he has one specifically for using Tiled

[cerulean nimbus]

i mean i know that windows use a service or a thread for an instance of a application maybe i should do the same ?

[limber veldt]

I'd (maybe naive) approach that kind of thing would be with a state machine

[pearl elk]

im using tiles

can you help me please sst i have an error and idk how to fix it

[limber veldt]

Sorry, I don't know about that one

[pearl elk]

ok

[limber veldt]

One of my near future projects is going to dive into using Tiled but I'm not there yet, so eventually I'll be using it a lot

[cerulean nimbus]

turning on HWACCEL and DOUBLEBUFF seems to help a little

[astral dust]

Map generation experiment

[cerulean nimbus]

oh damn with what is that ?

[astral dust]

python

[cerulean nimbus]

... i mean what did you use to visualize

[whole garnet]

petri dish simulator

[pine plinth]

that looks so cool!

[severe vale]

why the russia emoji? does that look like moscow or something?

[pine plinth]

windows activation message is in russian

[thick badge]

how did you generate the terrain and towns?

[next estuary]

Vrooom

[rare ledge]

Starting to get back into making tkinter and this is my first project over 1 year ago

[rare ledge]

What are you using to make that ???

[rare ledge]

Nvm tmrw im gonna start learning ursina

[astral dust]

Matplotlib

[astral dust]

Voronoi diagrams

[rare ledge]

@trim slate Wsp dude

[tropic spruce]

holy shit truck

[dull phoenix]

Hloo, is there anybody mobile app developer? I want simple watermark adder on photo click app

[brave sleet]

You can try to create one by yourself using Kivy: https://kivy.org/

[raven kernel]

¯_(ツ)_/¯ (replying to redacted messages

why dont you try hiring

its largely based on your region

if you're in india something equivalent to 4 LPA is a standard

so if you expect to do it in a months time you'd pay them around Rs. 33k
maybe more because this is a one time thing

so yeah it will depend a lot on where you live

you're talking about this server?

you're not allowed to offer paid work here

[modest sapphire]

Ohh ok sorry

Didn't know

[raven kernel]

yeah its to prevent scams

[lost needle]

!mute 712717197549764659

[frank field]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied timeout to @north hazel until <t:1741456590:f> (1 hour).

[elder kiln]

made one of those bubble sort visualizations using pygame I want the colours of the curret item and colour of the sorted items to be different should i turn every item into an object with an colour and value attached or is there another way I feel like using classes would be unnecessary but ı cant think another way around

[mild spear]

representing each item with dicts could work

[dawn quiver]

thats python?

[next estuary]

Yeah, and GLSL for the shaders

[candid blaze]

Any python and rust developers here looking for a side project?

[vital night]

Hi, I am a python developer

[neon horizon]

question
if I wanted to make a game with raytracing (the calculations for which will be done in c++) is it better to just make a library for the graphics and do the rest of the programming in python or at that point should I just do everything in c++?

[neon horizon]

!rule 6

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[neon horizon]

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[trail carbon]

It Cli base though

[neon horizon]

???

[trail carbon]

???

[neon horizon]

can I get a bit more info?

[neon horizon]

okay, having done a little more googling, no
I'm doing this myself to get how all of this works

[cerulean nimbus]

working on tooltips :b

[cerulean nimbus]

mouse is on the bottom left its just not rendered on the ss

[pearl elk]

how do i export my game if my python files are not directly in .venv but in a directory inside .venv

[cerulean nimbus]

what do you mean with export

like build an exe from it ?

[cerulean nimbus]

also why do you put your project files within your .venv?

[foggy python]

https://youtu.be/6vKGCbE3Drg

[rapid crater]

thats amazing you made that

[tired reef]

hi im signed in to a diffrent computer and im still getting this error

from direct.showbase.ShowBase import ShowBase
ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'direct'

from direct.showbase.ShowBase import ShowBase


class MyApp(ShowBase):

    def __init__(self):
        ShowBase.__init__(self)


app = MyApp()
app.run()

@foggy python sorry for tagging you but why do I have any an error?

[dim yew]

Can someone give feedback on weapon stats

I wanna make sure they are balanced

[whole garnet]

you can't really tell from looking at numbers, you'll have to play the game to see if they're balanced comparing how difficult they are to obtain, what stage you obtain them at what enemies you fight with them etc etc

[next estuary]

Python is not too slow to build a 3d game in lol (ignore the moon haha)

[dusky copper]

can someone help me with my code??? im having alot of trouble and this assignment is due in 30 minutes

[devout tapir]

yo, used to gamedev a while back, "direct" is panda3d, you sure you properly installed it?

[tired reef]

Yes

[modest juniper]

Hi, I’m completely new here. I’m currently working on a prototype for a game and would love some ideas on how to improve it. As a new member, I would appreciate some guidance on how to find what I’m looking for and how to get involved.

[tired reef]

I piped it and everything

[cerulean nimbus]

cant really know what to say you could improve without a context

[modest juniper]

The game concept is based on my cannabis withdrawal. I was addicted for 9 years and have been clean for one month now. I want to create a game to represent my inner conflict, the highs and lows, and tell a story about it, similar to Little Nightmares. However, I’ve only ever created text-based games or smaller ones like a dice dungeon game. I’ve never developed a full game concept before and need help to understand how I can make this happen. It should be based on decisions and create an atmosphere. How can I develop such a concept?

I have some Ideas, but i don´t know how to make a experience out of it

[cerulean nimbus]

do you want it to be 2D or 3D?

[modest juniper]

It should be 2D, i´m not very good at 3d Modelling

[cerulean nimbus]

story telling like dating sim style ? or ?

https://tenor.com/view/tokimeki-memorial-dating-sim-hikari-meet-cute-hiakri-hinomoto-gif-22270631

something like this i mean

[tired reef]

Can somebody tell me what's wrong with this code and following the code exactly

from direct.showbase.ShowBase import ShowBase


class MyApp(ShowBase):

    def __init__(self):
        ShowBase.__init__(self)
        #enviorment
        self.scene = self.loader.loadModel("models/enviornment")
        
        #reners model
        self.scene.reparentTo(self.render)
        self.scene.setScale(0.25,0.25,0.25)
        self.scene.setPos(-8,43,0)




        
app = MyApp()
app.run()

[devout tapir]

i think I know the mistake,

recheck your spelling on environment

[tired reef]

Thank you

[tired reef]

I have a problem with the computers camera but I managed to fix that up

[tired reef]

Is there anything else to bind the camera to the actor?

[devout tapir]

nice, glad the env issue + camera's sorted 👌
to bind the camera to the actor, you can parent it to the actor’s node:

self.camera.reparentTo(self.actor)
self.camera.setPos(0, -10, 3)
self.camera.lookAt(self.actor)

this way the camera follows the actor as it moves.
if you want more control (like a third-person orbit), look into CameraController or write a simple update task.
BTW: if you need more help you can just ask!

[tired reef]

i cant get the Actor to appear:```line 23, in spincamratask
self.pandaActor = Actor("models/panda-model",
NameError: name 'Actor' is not defined

self.pandaActor = Actor("models/panda-model",
                                {"walk": "models/panda-walk4"})

#what i typed up

[devout tapir]

uh, you did define Actor in your imports right?

from direct.actor.Actor import Actor 

[tired reef]

Yes

I double and triple checked it

[devout tapir]

hmm... check for mispells.

[next estuary]

Got instancing working

[tired reef]

I managed to fix it and I'm trying to look for a piece of code that allow it to move forward too I am following what's on the tutorial but it won't work

[tired reef]

?

[next estuary]

All the grass and trees and stuff are rendered using instancing and shader buffers

[tired reef]

Oh oh sorry I'm new to Panda and it won't let me with the code that I currently have won't allow me to use anything from panda3d.core

[rare ledge]

Where did you get the grass and water and all the shaders from

[devout tapir]

nicee, glad it’s working now 🙌
to move the actor fwd, just add a task that updates its pos:

def move_forward(task):
    dt = globalClock.getDt()
    speed = 5
    panda.setY(panda, speed * dt)
    return task.cont

self.taskMgr.add(move_forward, "moveTask")

this makes it move forward every frame.

[rare ledge]

Hey I have a question

[tired reef]

I've been following the tutorial using three point is that wrong?

[rare ledge]

How do you get the 3rd person pov ?

[tired reef]

Point3 sorry

[rare ledge]

Yea mb im new to ursina

So I’m trying to get all the basics down for rn

[devout tapir]

go on

[rare ledge]

So if you can give me some tips like making terrain and adding a player model ig that would help me out so much

[tired reef]

I'm using Panda 3D

[rare ledge]

What’s that ?

[devout tapir]

not wrong at all! three-point lighting is a solid setup. key, fill, and back/rim light.
if it’s not looking right, maybe the intensity/angle needs tweaking.

you can try:

light.setColor((1, 1, 1, 1))
light.setHpr(0, -45, 0)

also make sure shadows + ambient light aren’t overpowering it.

[tired reef]

Something harder to say the least Grant and I've never used that engine either

[rare ledge]

Wait how do I get panda 3d

[tired reef]

Well I was trying to get it to walk not and it's usual walking loop

[devout tapir]

use a grayscale heightmap to make terrain, panda loads it easy
for player, load a model + walk anim, scale it down
use arrow keys + tasks to move it every frame

[tired reef]

It's an import

[rare ledge]

Heck yea ok sweet

[next estuary]

I wrote the terrain, foliage and water shaders, the water, terrain and rocks all use the same texture just applied different ways with the shader. The rock is just a deformed iconosphere I made in blender. The trees and grass came from free game asset sites.

[rare ledge]

Do you think you can give me some tips and how to use it

[rare ledge]

Ok sweet ty so much are you using panda 3d as well ???

[devout tapir]

yeah def,

load models w/ .loadModel() & parent them to render
control movement using tasks or accept() for keybinds
use setPos(), setHpr() for movement & rotation
try loading the default "panda" or "ralph" models to test

[tired reef]

Are you able to use voice chat today

[next estuary]

Yeah, I wrote the physics and terrain system from scratch, these aren't using the built-in panda3d heightmap thing though

[rare ledge]

Dude thank you so much is it ok if I add you so if I have any trouble I can ask you

[devout tapir]

still busy man </3

[next estuary]

You may want to start with Ursina if you want something a little simpler, it's based on Panda3d

[devout tapir]

yeah yeah ofc
i havent done gamedev in a while so it'll be good to refresh on some concepts

[rare ledge]

Ok sweet ty so much

[devout tapir]

you're welcome

[rare ledge]

Ok I will Ty

[tired reef]

I'm sorry if I keep on asking you I just have a hard time typing and having what I want to ask mean really anything easily

[tired reef]

Okay just let me know when you think you may have the time because it's easier if you don't have to type everything while you're trying to look at your code to see what went wrong

[devout tapir]

oki

[eager jacinth]

hey guys can u tell me whats the usage of sprite in pygame library?

[devout tapir]

an object with an image or a visual representation of it,

It helps you load images with your characters, enemies, etc.

[limber veldt]

An object with an image (or images if it's animated) and a position that can be added to pygame groups to be drawn and updated

[pine smelt]

the group functionality is probably the notable feature it makes life a lot easier

it's the main advantage over just having an object with a surface and rect attribute

[limber veldt]

Yeah pygame groups are too convenient to not use them

I mean for more complicated projects, sure one can do without them but they help a lot

[cobalt bluff]

Im just starting object oriented programming for python and me and my friend are doing a friendly platformer game dev. Is this code any good for me starting? import keyboard # using module keyboard
import tkinter as tk # using tkinter for graphics
#import time

class object:
def init(self,x,y,height,width):
self.x = x
self.y = y + 600 - height
self.height = height
self.width = width

def draw(self):
    canvas.create_rectangle(self.x,self.y,self.x+self.height,self.y+self.width)

class character(object):
def init(self,x,y,height,width,xvel,yvel):
super().init(x,y,height,width)
# yvel and xvel are x and y velocity
self.xvel = xvel
self.yvel = yvel

class platform(object):
def init(self,x,y,height,width):
super().init(x,y,height,width)

class camera(object):
def init(self,x,y,height,width):
super().init(x,y,height,width)

#canvas
root = tk.Tk()
root.geometry('800x600')
root.title('Canvas Demo - Rectangle')
canvas = tk.Canvas(root, width=800, height=600, bg='white')
canvas.pack(anchor=tk.CENTER, expand=True)

jeff = character(100,0,100,100,0,0)

while True:
canvas.delete('all')
#Keyboard inputs
#Collision detecton
#Update positions
#Random debug
# Draw -
jeff.draw()
root.update()

[limber veldt]

I like that the sprite class is all in python source, I refer to it often

[limber veldt]

Just for fun, a little shooting turret using sprites and groups https://paste.pythondiscord.com/BXKA

[limber veldt]

I don't use tkinter but it looks like you're getting the hang of your classes and objects

[cerulean nimbus]

im tinkering around with my buttons would it be better to be using overloads of my __init__ to counter the need to have to much parameters and logic within my func

[frank field]

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[cerulean nimbus]

or should i use singledispatch from functools

[cerulean nimbus]

never mind ended up just using classmethods

[robust egret]

is there a way to correctly test if a point is inside a rectangle while that react is inside another react? because regular collidepoint tests with the window react which makes the colliders a bit off

pygame btw

[cerulean nimbus]

have you tried using the target_rect.collidepoint(point)?

[robust egret]

that's what I am doing

elif event.type == pg.MOUSEBUTTONDOWN and event.button == 1:
    self.active = self.rect.collidepoint(event.pos)

[cerulean nimbus]

then can you clarify more on what you want to achieve

rect1 = pygame.Rect(100,100,100,100)
rect2 = pygame.Rect(125,125,50,50)
rect1.contains(rect2)
```is this what you mean

[cerulean nimbus]

this will check if its fully within you can do colliderect to check if its overlapping

[robust egret]

here a video, it is supposed to detect if a click happened in the blue area but collision is off a bit. I will check if I could reproduce the issue on a single file

[cerulean nimbus]

could you show me the code

i think your doing the checking on the wrong rect

[robust egret]

I am pretty sure I am checking the right rect, the issue seems to be more on where that textbox is being drawn, I am not drawing it directly on the screen i am drawing it on a surf

[robust egret]

but that statement doesn't put that in mind so the weird coll happens

[cerulean nimbus]

i see your trying to make a slider right ?

[robust egret]

a textbox

[cerulean nimbus]

ooh

[robust egret]

also I am doubting if

self.level_textbox.rect = pygame.Rect(self.calculate_rect_for_texbox(win_react))

actually does anything..
but an issue for another day now

[cerulean nimbus]

its a sprite?

[robust egret]

lemme reproduce the issue and questions will be answered

[cerulean nimbus]

class TextBox:
    def __init__(self, x: int, y: int, width: int, height: int, font: pygame.font.Font, text: str = ""):
        self.x = x
        self.y = y
        self.width = width
        self.height = height
        self.font = font
        self.text = text
        self.color = (255, 255, 255)
        self.active = False
        self.rect = pygame.Rect(x, y, width, height)


    def draw(self, surface: pygame.Surface):
        pygame.draw.rect(surface, self.color, self.rect, 2)
        text = self.font.render(self.text, True, self.color)
        if self.active:
            cursor = pygame.Rect(self.x + 5 + text.get_width(), self.y + 5, 2, text.get_height())
            pygame.draw.rect(surface, self.color, cursor)
        surface.blit(text, (self.x + 5, self.y + 5))


    def handle_event(self, event: pygame.event.Event):
        if event.type == pygame.MOUSEBUTTONDOWN:
            if self.rect.collidepoint(event.pos):
                self.active = not self.active
            else:
                self.active = False
        if event.type == pygame.KEYDOWN:
            if self.active:
                if event.key == pygame.K_BACKSPACE:
                    self.text = self.text[:-1]
                else:
                    self.text += event.unicode
```this is a basic textbox

its an old one i found laying around

maybe you could check here what you seem missing

[robust egret]

what I am seeing that it exactky give the same functionality and acts in a pretty similier matter

!paste

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[robust egret]

@cerulean nimbus https://paste.pythondiscord.com/ZYAQ

how would I correctly alined the collider box with my textbox?

do I have no choice but to draw it directly to the window?

[cerulean nimbus]

you dont have to draw it since the collider rect exists

[robust egret]

well that rect doesn't put in mind that he is being painted into another surf than the window surf

[cerulean nimbus]

maybe make it so that the place it gets typed in is also processed in the textbox

but im confused why the collision is messed up tho

[robust egret]

on line 184, replace surf with window

and everything may make sense

focus on draw_transparent_box

because that's where the textbox rendering is happening

well.. you have the code now, I will try to figure it out, feel free to help

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[cerulean nimbus]

i think i got it to work

[cerulean nimbus]

@robust egret

[robust egret]

@cerulean nimbus can you?

[cerulean nimbus]

https://paste.pythondiscord.com/SUFA

[robust egret]

oh looks right, how did you get the positioning right?

without changing the textbox rect

[cerulean nimbus]

i was the way you where rendering it that was wrong and also the colliding had a small mistake

[robust egret]

what's the mistake?

[cerulean nimbus]

sorry they are doing works so my wifi keeps cutting out

line 31
- self.render_rect = None
+ self.render_rect = self.rect.copy()  # Initialize render_rect
line 61
- elif event.type == pg.MOUSEBUTTONDOWN and event.button == 1:
-   self.active = self.rect.collidepoint(event.pos)
+ elif event.type == pg.MOUSEBUTTONDOWN and event.button == 1:
+     if self.rect.collidepoint(event.pos):
+         self.active = not self.active
+     else:
+         self.active = False
lines 111-114
- self.final = "".join(self.buffer)
- self.rendered = self.render_font(self.final)
- self.render_rect = self.rendered.get_rect(x=self.rect.x+2, centery=self.rect.centery)
+ self.final = "".join(self.buffer)
+ self.rendered = self.render_font(self.final)
+ self.render_rect = self.rendered.get_rect(x=self.rect.x+2, centery=self.rect.centery)
+ if self.render_rect.width > self.rect.width-6:
+     offset = self.render_rect.width-(self.rect.width-6)
+     self.render_area = pg.Rect(offset, 0, self.rect.width-6, self.render_rect.height)
+ else: self.render_area = self.rendered.get_rect(topleft=(0, 0))

line 142
- test_textbox.draw(surf)
+ test_textbox.draw(window)

[cerulean nimbus]

^

[robust egret]

thx

[cerulean nimbus]

nw im working on my own gui handler rn but i havent gotten to the textbox part yet

[cerulean nimbus]

import pygame
from GUI.handler import GUIHandler
from GUI.button import Button
from GUI.button.buttonhandler import ClickType

pygame.init()
screen = pygame.display.set_mode((800, 600))
def on_click(button: Button):
    print("Button clicked")
handler = GUIHandler()
btn = handler.add_button(Button.from_surface(pygame.Surface((100,100)), (100, 100)))
handler.button_connect(btn, on_click, click_type=ClickType.ONCE)
running = True
while running:
    for event in pygame.event.get():
        if event.type == pygame.QUIT:
            running = False
        handler.handle_events(event)

    screen.fill((255, 255, 255))
    handler.draw(screen)
    pygame.display.flip()
```for example this is how my code looks like to just have a btn where there is a click event linked to it

[limber veldt]

I like how that works, sending a method to the button and all

And sending the events to the handler, I've done that a bit here and there, makes handling events in many places easy

[cerulean nimbus]

i even have a double click build in so that if you do clicktype=ClickType.DOUBLE it runs the call back on a double click event :)

[limber veldt]

Right on

[cerulean nimbus]

also have a single shot handler

[cerulean nimbus]

meaning that it will only run the callback once

there is still a lot of fine tuning to do before i even finish just the button but im already happy how its getting along

[limber veldt]

Yeah man, looking good

[cerulean nimbus]

ty

[limber veldt]

Have you seen pygame_gui, another package?

[cerulean nimbus]

yeah but im trying to make my own just to improve myself in python

[limber veldt]

Totally get it, just wondered, I haven't used it or even installed it, usually make my own UIs

But my projects aren't packages, just projects

[cerulean nimbus]

same but im trying to make my first package for personal use

[cerulean nimbus]

to fine tune to personal use

[limber veldt]

Yeah, sounds fun

I know pretty much nothing of packaging

[cerulean nimbus]

GUI
windowscenes swapper
yaml -> layout
```these are some things i want to implement

[limber veldt]

Most of my playing around is game logic things, little side projects all the time and big projects always waiting for attention

[cerulean nimbus]

same tbh

i got another project where im making a pygame IDE

not an ide written in pygame

but an ide with the focus for pygame

like script templates etc

[limber veldt]

Like an editor?

[cerulean nimbus]

https://github.com/steellight541/my-pygame-ide
documentation is lacking for now

[limber veldt]

That should keep you busy for a while

[cerulean nimbus]

jup

[cerulean nimbus]

https://github.com/steellight541/my_pygame_packages

the one im working on rn

im making the folderstructure differently

[robust egret]

neat

[robust egret]

came back to the project and uh that doesn't really solve it...

I didn't correctly compared the difference, you just changed the pos of the textbox.

‎

ignoring the problem above.
I have two boxes, one is transparent gray box and other is red, I render red box relative to the window to make it look it is part of the gray box but for a flexable ui I want to render the red box relative to the gray box.

how would I render the red box inside the gray box without bliting on the gray box surface?

code sample: https://paste.pythondiscord.com/RZ2Q

[devout tapir]

ooh with like snippets n stuff?

[tribal comet]

eyy fellow game devs

can i see your work?

[cerulean nimbus]

i hope to have a decent work by like 3 months so i can finally do a gamejam or something with fully my own work

[next estuary]

Made my terrain generator look better

The max height is about 20x larger too so mountains are actually mountains

[robust egret]

that's amazing work

[limber veldt]

A little better turret behavior, this way they steer toward the target with a max force instead of snapping instantly to its direction https://paste.pythondiscord.com/42VQ

Just bored and playing around with vectors and behaviors

[cerulean nimbus]

import pygame
from GUI.handler import GUIHandler
from GUI.button import *

pygame.init()
window = pygame.display.set_mode((800, 600))

handler = GUIHandler()
btn = handler.add_button(Button.from_surface(pygame.Surface((100,100)), (100, 100)))
running = True

@handler.connect(btn, ClickType.DOUBLE)
def on_click(btn: Button):
    print("Button clicked")

while running:
    for event in pygame.event.get():
        if event.type == pygame.QUIT:
            running = False
        handler.handle_events(event)
    window.fill((255, 255, 255))
    handler.draw(window)
    pygame.display.flip()
```i made the handler even more readable in usability i think

[spring zealot]

import turtle

# setup screen
scr = turtle.Screen()
scr.setup(900, 900)
scr.title("3D renderer")

def projection_maths(x, y, z):
    x = x / z * 1
    y = y / z * 1
    return [x, y]

def draw_line(x, y, xi, yi, pen):
    pen.penup()
    pen.goto(x, y)
    pen.pendown()
    pen.goto(xi, yi)
 
class cube:

    def __init__(self, size):

        self.size = size 
        self.projectedQuery = False
        
        self.pen = turtle.Turtle()
        self.pen.hideturtle()

        self.cubeVertexes = [
        [1 * self.size, 1 * self.size, 1],  # Top Right Front
        [-1 * self.size, 1 * self.size, 1],  # Top Left Front
        [1 * self.size, -1 * self.size, 1],  # Bottom Right Front
        [-1 * self.size, -1 * self.size, 1],  # Bottom Left Front
        [1 * self.size, 1 * self.size, 2],  # Top Right Back
        [-1 * self.size, 1 * self.size, 2],  # Top Left Back
        [1 * self.size, -1 * self.size, 2],  # Bottom Right Back
        [-1 * self.size, -1 * self.size, 2]  # Bottom Left Back
    ]
        
        self.projectedVertexes = [
        [0, 0],
        [0, 0],
        [0, 0],
        [0, 0],
        [0, 0],
        [0, 0],
        [0, 0],
        [0, 0]
    ]
      
    def move_cube(self, x, y, z):
        for i in range(8):
            self.cubeVertexes[i][0] += x
            self.cubeVertexes[i][1] += y
            self.cubeVertexes[i][2] += z

    def render_cube(self):

        for i in range(8):
            self.projectedVertexes[i] = projection_maths(self.cubeVertexes[i][0], self.cubeVertexes[i][1], self.cubeVertexes[i][2])
        scr.tracer(0)

        draw_line(self.projectedVertexes[0][0], self.projectedVertexes[0][1], self.projectedVertexes[1][0], self.projectedVertexes[1][1], self.pen)
        draw_line(self.projectedVertexes[1][0], self.projectedVertexes[1][1], self.projectedVertexes[3][0], self.projectedVertexes[3][1], self.pen)
        draw_line(self.projectedVertexes[3][0], self.projectedVertexes[3][1], self.projectedVertexes[2][0], self.projectedVertexes[2][1], self.pen)
        draw_line(self.projectedVertexes[2][0], self.projectedVertexes[2][1], self.projectedVertexes[0][0], self.projectedVertexes[0][1], self.pen)

        # Back face
        draw_line(self.projectedVertexes[4][0], self.projectedVertexes[4][1], self.projectedVertexes[5][0], self.projectedVertexes[5][1], self.pen)
        draw_line(self.projectedVertexes[5][0], self.projectedVertexes[5][1], self.projectedVertexes[7][0], self.projectedVertexes[7][1], self.pen)
        draw_line(self.projectedVertexes[7][0], self.projectedVertexes[7][1], self.projectedVertexes[6][0], self.projectedVertexes[6][1], self.pen)
        draw_line(self.projectedVertexes[6][0], self.projectedVertexes[6][1], self.projectedVertexes[4][0], self.projectedVertexes[4][1], self.pen)

        # Connecting front and back faces
        draw_line(self.projectedVertexes[0][0], self.projectedVertexes[0][1], self.projectedVertexes[4][0], self.projectedVertexes[4][1], self.pen)
        draw_line(self.projectedVertexes[1][0], self.projectedVertexes[1][1], self.projectedVertexes[5][0], self.projectedVertexes[5][1], self.pen)
        draw_line(self.projectedVertexes[2][0], self.projectedVertexes[2][1], self.projectedVertexes[6][0], self.projectedVertexes[6][1], self.pen)
        draw_line(self.projectedVertexes[3][0], self.projectedVertexes[3][1], self.projectedVertexes[7][0], self.projectedVertexes[7][1], self.pen)

        scr.update()

cube1 = cube(100)
cube1.move_cube(-250, 0 ,0)
cube1.render_cube()

scr.mainloop()

making a thing so i can make 3d games without using like opengl

[vagrant saddle]

you should try Panda3D then

[spring zealot]

I mean without stuff like that

I want to make it myself

To learn

[vagrant saddle]

you want to learn 30 years of computer graphics to work in GPU driver implementation ?

that's quite a narrow field 😦

[robust egret]

cursed. chances are that you can do that in a loop are in the hundreds

[spring zealot]

It's pretty simple to do what I want which is a very basic game

The most difficult thing I've encountered is having to learn linear algebra because I skipped tha classes like a moron

[spring zealot]

I'm obv gonna optimise it heavily that's just a template for me to create the final product, I can already create a decently spacious area and navigate around it and as for now I need to fix the drawing add a transformation matrix for camera roatation make and make a sub routine for jumping

Then it's just optimisation clean up and I'll start making the basic game

Probably just gonna be a maze with enemies that spawn in to show off all the stuff I'm going to add to it

Maybe later on after I'll add 3D projected triangles and try to make simple models

Bit ambitious already though considering I'm not that advanced in python

And like the point isn't that I want to make a game it's the whole being able to make 3d stuff, if I wanted to make a game I'd go to unity.

[vagrant saddle]

yeah not a game either https://pelicanicious.itch.io/pyrasterize-firstpersondemo

still looks like a huge amount of work ...

[cerulean nimbus]

it is tried it before got it to a (starter) phase then gave up

[spring zealot]

That's with pygame

[spring zealot]

Wrong reply

I don't really think its much work

Like

So you need to define some vertices in 3D

Project them

Draw them

Check for inputs

Update values

Repeate

[hearty tapir]

The math is probably harder than the actual programming

[spring zealot]

Yeah that's exactly what it is bruh

The actual code is simple asf

[hearty tapir]

Make it work, make it right, make it fast.

[spring zealot]

I will try

The only real difficult thing that isn't maths is like understanding what actually goes into making a 3d space cause like I was fucking w the code and realised when the object goes too close to the "camera" the z value goes into negatives making the projection maths flip the x and y values to negatives too so I had to make a fix for that too it's just shit you wouldn't expect

It's super fun seeing it work tho

[loud shell]

idk if its cringe to mention roblox here but im making a soccer game, and i cant make skills bc it affects players and not only the ball, can someone help me?

[dawn quiver]

Isn't roblox stuff with lua?

[spring zealot]

Python discord for help with lua is crazy

[loud shell]

i tried python and it worked

[hearty tapir]

You managed to use python on roblox?

[loud shell]

someway how

my friend is a python scripter and he did it

[rotund wyvern]

Google Lua libraries for python maybe?

Idk

Ah nah it looks like Lua only, your friend probably knew both

https://pypi.org/project/robloxpy/

This is the only thing I found

[loud shell]

he does python course

[cerulean nimbus]

this seems to just be an api for getting game info

also its archived since 2022 so i doubt its functioning fully still

[cerulean nimbus]

the only thing i can think of is that he used it for discord bot but not for actual code of the game

[spring zealot]

Anyone know how to remove the white frames I'm using scr.tracer(0) in the code and scr.update(), I can share code if needed

I don't use turtle so I'm not sure how it works

[cerulean nimbus]

you mean the white frames when moving ?

[spring zealot]

Yes

[cerulean nimbus]

im not to familiar with turtle but i think those white frames exist because it takes some time for the drawing to happen with it

its the way how turtle renders

[spring zealot]

Yes I'm aware but you can draw things without having it be there, I've seen it done.

I was thinking about drawing the first frame, then the second and then erasing the first instead of erasing it in the middle but there has to be a much simpler way

[cerulean nimbus]

i dunno i did mine with pygame

i found this in an old project as demo

[frank field]

Please react with ✅ to upload your file(s) to our paste bin, which is more accessible for some users.

[cerulean nimbus]

its without openGL

[cerulean nimbus]

lemme do some digging for you

you got some code you can share for me

[spring zealot]

It looks fire

[spring zealot]

Yeah gimme a sec

[frank field]

Click here to see this code in our pastebin.

[spring zealot]

It's really untidy atm but you still should be able to read it

[cerulean nimbus]

its readable i know that once you get it to work you'll probably do some tidying

im not someone that nit picks about it dw

[spring zealot]

I am lol I just know it's easier to focus on the actual logic first than to make it neat

[cerulean nimbus]

imma remake the code real quick give me a sec

[spring zealot]

K

[frank field]

Please react with ✅ to upload your file(s) to our paste bin, which is more accessible for some users.

[cerulean nimbus]

with this it works without blitting white

lemme check now for the difference in the drawings

[spring zealot]

Right yeah but what actually makes the difference?

Like why isn't it there with urs but is with mine

[cerulean nimbus]

im checking what the difference is

[spring zealot]

Oh ok

[cerulean nimbus]

its your draw

you keep clearing it and drawing it on places it shouldnt

you should re do your code

and basically make your mainloop like this

while True:
  screen.clear()
  ... # draw logic here 
  screen.update()

[spring zealot]

Mkay ill give it a go

[limber veldt]

My first playing around with Verlet integration https://paste.pythondiscord.com/FIDQ

With some simple ragdoll physics

Seems better than Euler integration

I did bouncing balls with euler before and they work but the bounce wasn't accurate, sometimes gaining energy, sometimes losing

This implementation of verlet seems pretty stable

[vagrant saddle]

web running version of above paste https://pygame-web.github.io/showroom/pypad_git.html?-i#https://gist.githubusercontent.com/pmp-p/62fa1ae86bd02a9899119810b52b1742/raw/5b5364580168f4a38fe11b7d14a000f4a9cc544d/v.py

[limber veldt]

Hey thanks @vagrant saddle , so cool

[lusty pine]

I made a variation of Solitaire inspired by Klondike!
https://thewindmage.itch.io/lunar-colonization

[cerulean nimbus]

looks very nice i was a little confused at the start but got the mechanics down after less than 2 min 10/10 would recomend it for someone that doesnt know what to do in there free time. keep up the good work 👍

[lusty pine]

Thank you so much! I really appreciate that!

[tired reef]

Hello is it possible to make a test environment to import a neural network?

[mild spear]

.venv ?

[robust egret]

check venv

guys, do you know any game that uses async along with pygame? would like to learn more about using asyncio with games

[tired reef]

Because I'm planning on you something and Panda 3D to make a simulation to train a robot so that I don't have to give it a physical area yet because it's better to train on the computer instead of having a bump into multiple things damaging sensors before gang it to work the way that I wanted to

[robust egret]

ah

[robust egret]

check #data-science-and-ml , they know more than I will ever know in my life

[tired reef]

Thank you

[robust egret]

your welcome and also include your explanation above, it will increase your chances of getting an answer hopefully

[tired reef]

I did

[dawn oriole]

Hey guys could help me I am confused that I have learned basic python but I don't what i should do after learning basics.. because I want real life experience of code.

So can you help me what should I do in this situation?

[hearty tapir]

I think in the unity community they use async for certain stuff like libraries that do some networking like HTTP. They also had coroutines for awhile that could yield and continue executing between frames I think. And the latest interesting thing for that there would be what people are doing around unitask. I think it could be interesting to have something going in the background of your game awaiting something in the engine for the next frame. I also think there is a massive amount of untapped potential in building an engine around it.

https://github.com/Cysharp/UniTask

[robust egret]

thanks, that's really helpful I appreciate it

[hearty tapir]

No problem, best of luck on learning/exploring for more. 🎉

[foggy python]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fCSNMdGstW0

pyopenxr, glfw, moderngl, and pygame

[fast plaza]

What is the best audio library in python

For handling the most types of audio files

[vagrant saddle]

with 3D sound support or not ?

[gloomy ledge]

amazing work

[untold cove]

i need help with something, i cant make my game into an executable

tag me'

[restive spear]

What's the issue mate

[untold cove]

pyinstaller is not working, i cant make my game into an executable

[stiff herald]

checkit with grok the best ai to help

[mild spear]

tried checking the docs?

[wicked trout]

simple game i made

[modern flint]

Nice!

[raven kernel]

nice

[wicked trout]

thanks!!

[whole garnet]

nice

[wicked trout]

if you guys evre wanna try it i got a github to it

:D

[silver spear]

How do you guys make games in python, I’m trying to find a game engine that supports python 😭-

[wicked trout]

to make games you can use pygame

but i didnt use pygame

i only used pygame for sound effects

its a library

[silver spear]

I find it hard to understand pygame tbh lol

[wicked trout]

i think it depends on what your doing

with it

[silver spear]

Alr

[cerulean nimbus]

there are some modules you can use

- ursula
- panda3D
- pygame(-ce)
- ...

or if you really want a game engine i could say try godot with GDscripts

the syntax is simular to python

[silver spear]

Gdscript is a mix of Lua and python

So do I go with lua (Roblox studio) ?

[tribal scarab]

hello

i need help on python

i did a 1 v 1 tic tac toe and now i want to do a 1v ai but idk how to

i want to use minimizer and maximizer but idk how to

might have some space eror

error*

[tired reef]

How should I encode a gravity simulation using panda 3d? Also at me if you want to respond because I'm constantly working on something and I generally am too busy unless somebody asked me letting me know that they typed something in response

[vagrant saddle]

use Panda3D physics or bullet3 they are both available in normal Panda3D builds

i'd use bullet3 to do stuff like

[tired reef]

Thank you I think I'll use physics for the training ground

[tired reef]

https://youtu.be/oOtlQ5gs-Mk?si=7xhRt-KkNMxGLcSO

[candid blaze]

Anyone work with the python bindings in bevy?

[crystal robin]

Hi, can anyone help me figure out why the simulation doesnt work as intented? Why aren't other tiles than patient zero being updated? (didnt know where to ask this)

message.txt: https://pastecord.com/evosalyfet

[cerulean nimbus]

dunno if you know but your window is stuck in an infinite loop

    def spread_infection(self):
        for person in population.people:

            # Infect person to the right if tile is free
            if (person.x + cell_size, person.y) not in population.coords and person.x + cell_size < WIDTH:
                Person(person.x + cell_size, person.y)

            # Infect person below if tile is free
            if (person.x, person.y + cell_size) not in population.coords and person.y + cell_size < HEIGHT:
                Person(person.x, person.y + cell_size)

            # Infect person to the left if tile is free
            if (person.x - cell_size, person.y) not in population.coords and person.x - cell_size >= 0:
                Person(person.x - cell_size, person.y)

            # Infect person above if tile is free
            if (person.x, person.y - cell_size) not in population.coords and person.y - cell_size >= 0:
                Person(person.x, person.y - cell_size)
```updating your `spread_infection`to this help fixing it

[cerulean nimbus]

you mean this one ? https://pypi.org/project/Bevy/

[crystal robin]

oh thanks good catch, i changed the function to this, it still doesnt seem to work though?
def spread_infection(self):

    current_population = population.people

    for person in current.population:

        # Infect person to the right if tile is free
        if (person.x + cell_size, person.y) not in population.coords:
            Person(person.x + cell_size, person.y)

        # Infect person below if tile is free
        if (person.x, person.y + cell_size) not in population.coords:
            Person(person.x, person.y + cell_size)

        # Infect person to the left if tile is free
        if (person.x - cell_size, person.y) not in population.coords:
            Person(person.x - cell_size, person.y)

        # Infect person above if tile is free
        if (person.x, person.y - cell_size) not in population.coords:
            Person(person.x, person.y - cell_size)

[cerulean nimbus]

Try to explain mor of what you are trying to achieve "doesnt work" isnt enough information for us to help you out :)

I would love to help tho

[crystal robin]

like changing the function to this where it loops through a constant population list (current_population) should prevent an infite loop no? as more people dont get continuously added while looping through people, at least i thought thats what the issue was. but it still expands and creates a bunch more people extremely fast, even though there should be a maximum of 4 additions per people per tick of 1s?

[cerulean nimbus]

Hmm lemme review the code again im only able to give you an update a little later im watching my dogs rn so i dont have access to my laptop atm

[crystal robin]

ok thanks!

also even though a ton of people seem to be added instantly, the graphics dont update, which is weird

[cerulean nimbus]

ok im on my pc lemme check

simple problem @crystal robin

class Population:
    
    def __init__(self):
        self.people = []     # List of Person instances
        self.coords = []     # Coordinates occupied by people

    # Controls how the infection spreads to adjacent tiles
    def spread_infection(self):
        for person in population.people:
            # Infect person to the right if tile is free
            if (person.x + cell_size, person.y) not in population.coords and person.x + cell_size < WIDTH:
                Person(person.x + cell_size, person.y)

            # Infect person below if tile is free
            if (person.x, person.y + cell_size) not in population.coords and person.y + cell_size < HEIGHT:
                Person(person.x, person.y + cell_size)

            # Infect person to the left if tile is free
            if (person.x - cell_size, person.y) not in population.coords and person.x - cell_size >= 0:
                Person(person.x - cell_size, person.y)

            # Infect person above if tile is free
            if (person.x, person.y - cell_size) not in population.coords and person.y - cell_size >= 0:
                Person(person.x, person.y - cell_size)
```the problem is that you are iterating over the list and changing its values while iterating over the original a quick fix that you can do is make use of 
`for person in population.people.copy():`

so the updated class would look like

class Population:
    
    def __init__(self):
        self.people = []     # List of Person instances
        self.coords = []     # Coordinates occupied by people

    # Controls how the infection spreads to adjacent tiles
    def spread_infection(self):
        for person in population.people.copy():
            # Infect person to the right if tile is free
            if (person.x + cell_size, person.y) not in population.coords and person.x + cell_size < WIDTH:
                Person(person.x + cell_size, person.y)

            # Infect person below if tile is free
            if (person.x, person.y + cell_size) not in population.coords and person.y + cell_size < HEIGHT:
                Person(person.x, person.y + cell_size)

            # Infect person to the left if tile is free
            if (person.x - cell_size, person.y) not in population.coords and person.x - cell_size >= 0:
                Person(person.x - cell_size, person.y)

            # Infect person above if tile is free
            if (person.x, person.y - cell_size) not in population.coords and person.y - cell_size >= 0:
                Person(person.x, person.y - cell_size)

[crystal robin]

but @cerulean nimbus why doesnt this fix that?

cause now i loop through a predefined list instead of the continuosly changing one

[crystal robin]

is .copy a standard python function?

[cerulean nimbus]

you are still in an infinite loop with that one cause you forgot to check if the person is in bounds

[cerulean nimbus]

yes its from the list type

[crystal robin]

ya but shouldnt it work fine until that happens?

[cerulean nimbus]

copy simply returns a copy of the list without changing the other list

[crystal robin]

why do sm people get added instantly

[crystal robin]

okok thanks thats rly useful!

[cerulean nimbus]

that is because you are itterating over the list and changing the values of the one your itterating hence why i gave you the solution of doing .copy()

[crystal robin]

ok lemmetry thanks

[cerulean nimbus]

no cause your if statement is lacking making it stuck in some sort of infinite loop

[crystal robin]

.copy worked thanks!

but i dont see why my one didnt lol:(

[cerulean nimbus]

there is a difference between

l = [0,1,2,3]
new = l 
new.append(4)
``````py
l = [0,1,2,3]
new = l.copy()
new.append(4)

[crystal robin]

so the variable gets changed continuosly as well?

[cerulean nimbus]

!e

l = [0,1,2,3]
new = l 
new.append(4)
print(l)
print(new)

[frank field]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | [0, 1, 2, 3, 4]
002 | [0, 1, 2, 3, 4]

[cerulean nimbus]

!e

l = [0,1,2,3]
new = l.copy()
new.append(4)
print(l)
print(new)

[frank field]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | [0, 1, 2, 3]
002 | [0, 1, 2, 3, 4]

[cerulean nimbus]

yes

[crystal robin]

ohhhh

[cerulean nimbus]

you see the difference above ?

[crystal robin]

that was a gap in my knowledge lol

ok thanks that makes a lot of sense!

[cerulean nimbus]

its ok it can be a little difficult to understand at first but you learn from trial and error 👍

[crystal robin]

so the only way to make like an immutable variable kinda is to use .copy()?

[cerulean nimbus]

it is still mutable it just doesnt mutate the original

[crystal robin]

ya thats what i meant

[cerulean nimbus]

.copy() copy overs the values but gives it a different address in memory if im correct (if someone reads this and im wrong please correct me)

[crystal robin]

tysm for your help!

[cerulean nimbus]

no worries

[cerulean nimbus]

other than those 2 small bugs nice simulation

[crystal robin]

thanks!

[cerulean nimbus]

maybe add some sliders and buttons so you can restart it and change values on the go

[cerulean nimbus]

(just an idea im giving you if you want to expand it )

[crystal robin]

is there a diff way of doing it other than .copy()? i js feel like there should be but i cant think of one

[crystal robin]

appreciate it! im def gonna add more features now that the basics work

[cerulean nimbus]

yes there is

    def spread_infection(self):
        for i in range(len(self.people)):
            person = self.people[i]

            # Infect person to the right if tile is free
            if (person.x + cell_size, person.y) not in self.coords and person.x + cell_size <= WIDTH:
                Person(person.x + cell_size, person.y)

            # Infect person below if tile is free
            if (person.x, person.y + cell_size) not in self.coords and person.y + cell_size <= HEIGHT:
                Person(person.x, person.y + cell_size)

            # Infect person to the left if tile is free
            if (person.x - cell_size, person.y) not in self.coords and person.x - cell_size >= 0:
                Person(person.x - cell_size, person.y)

            # Infect person above if tile is free
            if (person.x, person.y - cell_size) not in self.coords and person.y - cell_size >= 0:
                Person(person.x, person.y - cell_size)
```this also works

[crystal robin]

ah yes ofc

or wont len get higher as self.people grows?

[cerulean nimbus]

no since it works differently

[crystal robin]

oh ok so len is a constant

[cerulean nimbus]

its a little confusing to explain it myself

[cerulean nimbus]

yes

[crystal robin]

gotcha thanks!

[cerulean nimbus]

basially the isue is how the for works

for _ in x

x being a generator or iterator