game-development

[normal silo]

There are many things similar to an ECS that give all the benefits of the composition, but are a lot more simple. The full blown ECS tends to be more useful for large scale (many people working on the same project), where you want separation of concerns more than anything else (see the Overwatch GDC talk).

[brisk yew]

are they comparable? one's an architecture, the other's a paradigm

[normal silo]

(Or when you are making a generic game engine and don't know what it will be used for, then a full ECS can be good too)

[normal silo]

The concepts of an ECS can be used as a paradigm beyond video games. They have been used for other applications.

Or more generally data-oriented design (and functional programming I guess).

[brisk yew]

oh

[normal silo]

The Rust community seems especially keen on using it beyond video games.

As a generic application framework.

Probably because it meshes well with the borrow checker.

These terms are all pretty murky though, originally OOP looked more like functional reactive programming (message passing ("signals") between objects), and some may tell you that that is what it is, and that the more commonly used "OOP" is more like "Java OOP." Because of this the original OOP is sometimes called actor-oriented to avoid confusion. But that term is also often only used in the context of concurrent computation now.

An example of an OOP language that uses the original meaning, and also the new one to be really OOP would be Pony.

https://www.ponylang.io/discover/#what-is-pony

(I don't think it gets more "OOP" than this one)

[brisk yew]

why is this so dang confusing, guess it's easier to just classify it based on the language, each has their own quirks

[normal silo]

Yeah, and at the end of the day, just try everything and see what it works. One can only really be making trade-offs if one actually knows what each has going for it. Otherwise it's a choice out of ignorance.

The name does not matter nearly as much as knowing / experiencing what it gives.

(In my experience there is no one size fits all anyhow, but you can loosely fit most of them to be "decent")

[brisk yew]

yep, understanding a concept is far more important than memorizing its name, although names help with communication

[normal silo]

I think sometimes it's best to just give your name/definition, which may match their idea, and then just show some code.

But yeah, languages put people on the same wavelength so by language works too (but not always, so again, show code).

[crimson pelican]

I'm trying to think about how to represent the paragon board in diablo 4. A player will fill up the board one node at as they level up. Only nodes adjacent to an already selected node can be selected next. There are multiple boards per class: rogue has 7 I believe, each with it's own set of nodes. Ex: build planner https://d4builds.gg/build-planner/ , click on the Paragon tab.

The board and nodes are fixed so the relationships are already known. What isn't node is what nodes are selected. The paragon nodes likely look something like

class Node:
    def __init__(self, node_id, node_type, node_value, left, right, up, down, selected):
        ...

maybe an adjacency list to hold the structure and a dictionary of node_id to node_info?

[tranquil girder]

Assuming it can fit on a grid, you could use a 2d array (list of lists). That way you can easily access them by index, so if you're at skill_tree[y][x], to check the spot to the right, just do skill_tree[y][x+1]. That spot could either be empty or have another slot

[pine plinth]

1. remove something from a matrix
2. add something to a matrix

[wicked sail]

as the player moves within the world (or the world moves around the player), create a background for whatever chunk is visible (or will soon become visible). if a background is in a chunk that is no longer visible, remove it

for parallax, move different layers of background at different speeds

[little apex]

I have a question and wondering if anyone has a good answer for it. I'm working on a game and an object has to rotate towards another object. I've made the equation to calculate the angle it needs to get to however I would prefer it slowly rotated towards it. I want it to rotate either clockwise or counterclockwise depending on which one is faster. How do I know if rotating clockwise or counterclockwise would get it to it's designated angle faster?

[junior viper]

Calculate both the angles. Compare both, and go with the smaller one?

[unreal river]

Assuming that the full rotation is 180 (it may be 360), you first need to get the angle of the object to the other (you already did this), then subtract it to the current angle of the object, if it is less than 90 then do object1_angle += TURNING_SPEED else do the opposite, or vice versa. IDK, if this makes sense, but I hope it helps.

[little apex]

full rotation is 360

should i do less than 180 instead of 90

[unreal river]

Then check if it's 180 rather than 90

[unreal river]

yes

[little apex]

k thanks

[little apex]

so what if the variables were target angle (the angle it needs to reach) and angle (the angle it is at right now)

[unreal river]

target_angle - angle

[little apex]

so i would do

if target angle - angle < 180
angle -= 1
else:

angle += 1

1 is just a theoretical turning speed

[unreal river]

opposite direction I think, += on the first statement

[little apex]

ok for some reason this doesn't work

[unreal river]

why?

[little apex]

it just spins around weird

[unreal river]

is your angle radians?

[little apex]

no degrees

[unreal river]

can you show me the code?

[little apex]

yeah

so I did the testing with print and the target angle is giving out the right value

same with the angle

[unreal river]

what's "weird"?

[little apex]

so it just sits there but if I go to the bottom right of it starts circling almost randomly

ok it almost just worked

for some reason it doesn't work if the x or y value of its target exceeds it's own

[unreal river]

is the angle going higher than 360 or -360?

[little apex]

ill check

no

[unreal river]

huh

[little apex]

I think i'm on to something

[unreal river]

% 360 doesn't work

@little apex maybe it's 180 not really 360

what library are you using?

[little apex]

sorry my wifi went out

so I just used %360 to simplify

so when I put for example 405 in as a degree it will give me 42 back

[unreal river]

are you using pygame?

[little apex]

yea

[unreal river]

try doing 180 as the full rotation

[little apex]

wdym

want me to do mod 180 instead of 360

[unreal river]

yes

[little apex]

k

yeah that didn't fix anything

i don't see why it would

[unreal river]

ok my trigonometry

@little apex wait math.degrees(math.atan2(...)) returns an angle between -180 and 180

[little apex]

so what would I use that for

[unreal river]

wait now I am lost

[little apex]

so why would I want a value between -180 and 180 returned

[unreal river]

This does it:

# Calculate the target angle between the object and the other object
target_angle = math.degrees(math.atan2(-dy, dx)) % 360

# Ensure angle and target_angle are within the range 0 to 360 degrees
angle %= 360
target_angle %= 360

# Calculate the angular difference between current angle and target angle
angle_diff = target_angle - angle

# Ensure angle_diff is within the range -180 to 180 degrees
angle_diff = (angle_diff + 180) % 360 - 180

# Adjust angle based on angle_diff to move toward the target angle
if angle_diff > 0:
    angle += 1
elif angle_diff < 0:
    angle -= 1

[young gate]

added this little death animation

[sick glen]

death song ??

[young gate]

my game shop so far

[young gate]

i'm keeping sfx as an at-the-end-if-i-have-time thing

this is for a game jam

[sick glen]

yeah thats right

[young gate]

thanks!

[dawn quiver]

a

[rugged prawn]

i m new to python well kind of so can you help me make a game (monkey runner) in pygame

[half copper]

Hello, anyone coding a game can give me a good free games asset generator (with AI) ?

[molten whale]

I’m following a tutorial on creating a ai the learns how to play flappy bird

[dry cloak]

I dont think any ai is going to generate decent game assets

[brisk yew]

your brain... after some practice anyway

there's no Python tutorial there...

bruh, both of those resources massively suck

they are not even resources, more a waste of time, it looks almost AI generated or no effort invested in those, wtf

it's just lazy advertisement but there's no product to even show for it

[fading whale]

!warn 907152939485908992 Please stop using the server to advertise your website.

[frank field]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @granite talon.

[fading whale]

You will be banned next time, as all you've posted since joining are unauthorised ads.

[sturdy heath]

There is a problem with the font thing, can someone help?

[tranquil girder]

font thing?

[sturdy heath]

it happened when i added the font...

ERROR:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "C:\Users\noamofir\PycharmProjects\pythonProject1\main.py", line 59, in <module>
    main()
  File "C:\Users\noamofir\PycharmProjects\pythonProject1\main.py", line 54, in main
    draw(player, elapsed_time)
  File "C:\Users\noamofir\PycharmProjects\pythonProject1\main.py", line 23, in draw
    WIN.blit((10, 10))
TypeError: argument 1 must be pygame.surface.Surface, not tuple

CODE:

import pygame
import time
import random
pygame.font.init()

WIDTH, HEIGHT = 1000, 800
WIN = pygame.display.set_mode((WIDTH, HEIGHT))
pygame.display.set_caption("Space")

BG = pygame.transform.scale(pygame.image.load("bg.jpg"), (WIDTH,HEIGHT))

PLAYER_WIDTH = 40
PLAYER_HEIGHT = 60

PLAYER_VEL = 7

FONT = pygame.font.SysFont("comicsans", 32)

def draw(player, elapsed_time):
    WIN.blit(BG, (0, 0))

    time_text = FONT.render(f"Time: {round(elapsed_time)}s", 1, "white")
    WIN.blit((10, 10))

    pygame.draw.rect(WIN, "white", player)


    pygame.display.update()

def main():
    run = True

    player = pygame.Rect(200, HEIGHT - PLAYER_HEIGHT,
                         PLAYER_WIDTH, PLAYER_HEIGHT)

    clock = pygame.time.Clock()
    start_time = time.time()
    elapsed_time = 0

    while run:
        clock.tick(60)
        elapsed_time = time.time() - start_time
        for event in pygame.event.get():
            if event.type == pygame.QUIT:
                run = False
                break

        keys = pygame.key.get_pressed()
        if keys[pygame.K_a] and player.x - PLAYER_VEL >= 0:
            player.x -= PLAYER_VEL
        if keys[pygame.K_d] and player.x + PLAYER_VEL + player.width <= WIDTH:
            player.x += PLAYER_VEL

        draw(player, elapsed_time)

    pygame.quit()

if __name__ == '__main__':
    main()

[dawn nacelle]

When you call WIN.blit, you have to tell it the thing you want to draw (blit), and a location. In line 20, you are saying that you want to blit your background at (0, 0). That looks fine. But in line 23, where you are getting the error, you wrote:

WIN.blit((10, 10))

You didn't say what you want to blit. You probably want:

WIN.blit(time_text, (10, 10))

[sturdy heath]

Ok thank you

[dawn nacelle]

You're welcome.

[junior lintel]

does making procedural generation in the terminal count as game development?

its a very early version of a roguelike game in the terminal ig

[dry cloak]

any game counts as a game. text based games are just inputs and outputs in a terminal

[brisk yew]

that's such a circular defininition, lol
imagine ImportError ... likely due to a circular import pops up in front of you irl...

[pine plinth]

what ECS libraries exist for python?
i know only of esper

[brisk yew]

tinyecs

[pine plinth]

can you provide a link? i cant find python library with this name

[brisk yew]

https://github.com/dickerdackel/tinyecs
https://pypi.org/project/tinyecs/

[pine plinth]

Tank you!

[sturdy heath]

I really need help creating levels, I can't figure out how to make the screen switch...

And a screen that scrolls when you walk...

Like moves with you..

[half copper]

@sturdy heath https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7LPRqrzry8&t=852s

[junior lintel]

lads has anyone ever coded a moving camera inside a terminal?

bcs mine works horizontally

but when it comes to moving it vertically, the framce physically moves down

instead of just offsetting the map

im sorry for messy code, but this is the code that displays the camera

def update_scene():
    y = 0
    print('\n' * 100)
    for row in board:
        x = 0
        current_row = ''
        if y > camera_pos.y - camera_height and y < camera_pos.y + camera_height:
            for col in board[y]:
                if x > camera_pos.x - camera_width and x < camera_pos.x + camera_width:
                    current_row += col
                x +=1
        y+=1
        print(current_row)

[frank field]

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The <@&831776746206265384> have been alerted for review.

[cosmic oxide]

!unmute 798477458768265236

[frank field]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: pardoned infraction timeout for @summer dagger.

[cosmic oxide]

!paste feel free to use our pastebin if you've got a load of code @summer dagger

[frank field]

Pasting large amounts of code

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[summer dagger]

👍

I can't add a collision between the player and meteor please help

[summer dagger]

Here is my code

[pine plinth]

past your code as code, not as image

!paste

[frank field]

Pasting large amounts of code

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[pine plinth]

or

!code

[frank field]

Formatting code on discord

Here's how to format Python code on Discord:

```py
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```

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For long code samples, you can use our pastebin.

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[pine plinth]

bruh

dont post huge amount of code in discord

either post all of it to https://paste.pythondiscord.com/, or post only some parts to discord

[jovial laurel]

!unmute 798477458768265236

[frank field]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: pardoned infraction timeout for @summer dagger.

[summer dagger]

Sorry my bad

[pine plinth]

[summer dagger]

How

[brisk yew]

gets timeouted again

[brisk yew]

^

[summer dagger]

Lol but please no

https://paste.pythondiscord.com/JDJQ

here

How do I add an collide system here

[summer dagger]

Are you also japanese?

[vestal bane]

I'm working on a game engine that embeds a Python interpreter. I am learning why that is a difficult and uncommon approach 🤣
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYTXfZ7cXhc

[little apex]

Hey! This is the first game I've ever made all by myself in python. I just wanted to show it off. Tell me what you guys think!

[lunar venture]

The camera shake is a nice addition, good job

[dawn quiver]

meanwhile me here making flappy bird clone as my first game

[dawn quiver]

do you know i tried to did the same but i only made it for command line games

cus graphics was hard

[vestal bane]

would love to have a look if that's possible, or tell me a bit more. How did you use scripting?

[broken olive]

pygame?

this looks really cool

[rough grove]

this is very suprisingly well done for a first game and with presumably pygame

[tacit geode]

me causally having to write a renderer in Vulkan cuz Unity is slow as shit 💀

[little apex]

thanks i was pretty proud of it

[little apex]

yeah pygame

[little apex]

thanks!

[broken olive]

nice

[lament vault]

Nice one

[dawn quiver]

i have a question

what's the blit() function

in python

for example

self.screen.blit(self.image, self.rect)

[brisk yew]

docs are your friend https://pyga.me/docs/ref/surface.html#pygame.Surface.blit

[trail sable]

is python good for gam deving?

[vagrant saddle]

it is usually good enough, see channel topic for libraries that can help

and spefically for pygame-ce library you can explore some games directly from web/mobile here https://itch.io/c/2563651/pygame-wasm

[blissful jasper]

umm when i try to create a JSON file nothing happens i copied some examples for how to create json file but they all dont work heres one example of the examples i tried

it doesent create the file

[dawn quiver]

with open("data.json", "w") as f:
  json.dump(aList, f)```

@blissful jasper i think this will work

abviously don't forget the import json and the list you made

[blissful jasper]

ok

[blissful jasper]

it still doesent work :(

[dawn quiver]

send me your list

so i don't need to type that

@blissful jasper

[blissful jasper]

import json

aList = [{"a":54, "b":87}, {"c":81, "d":63}, {"e":17, "f":39}]
jsonString = json.dumps(aList)
jsonFile = open("data.json", "wt")
jsonFile.write(jsonString)
jsonFile.close()
with open("data.json", "w") as f:
json.dump(aList, f)

it doesent give me an error tho

it just runs..?

[dawn quiver]

it should of created the data.json file and stored the aList

it's not going to print anything in the terminal

[hasty rivet]

Hi

[dawn quiver]

import json


aList = [{"a":54, "b":87}, {"c":81, "d":63}, {"e":17, "f":39}]

with open("data.json" , 'w') as f:
    json.dump(aList, f)```

[blissful jasper]

oh my god i found the problem

oh my god

[dawn quiver]

@blissful jasper your code should look like that

[blissful jasper]

yeah

the problem was that i created a different folger for me to test the json but i didnt open the folger in vs sorry for losing your time

it works now

[dawn quiver]

you're good

you should try that method i used

it looks like what you did is long to type

idk unless you're trying to do something else

i don't know a lot about the JSON files

[lunar venture]

Python programming in Visual Studio is pain, and I don't know whether you can use the latest version of Python with it. You should install Python from python.org and use Visual Studio Code if you want to use a product made by the same company (maybe after uninstalling Visual Studio's Python so you won't need to deal with clashing versions of Python)

[tacit geode]

if you wanna do some serious game dev go with C++

you can use sdl2, sfml or raylib with it

or well Unreal Engine

[azure basin]

hmm i suc at this... is there a way to create a scrollable text area with pygame? what i mean is i want to create an "Event logg" with character conversations events etc, update that list with various events that occur and draw everything to the "event_logg_frame", but id need to make the list scrollable for checking history.... anyone have any decent ideas how i do that?

if even practically possible

telling it to show the 10 last entries as default and when pressing a button show 15th-5th last entries maybe....!? shld do the trick. not a true scrollbar but sounds alot easier to do...

open to other suggestions tho as long as they are beginner freindly 😛

[brisk yew]

it's rare that that's not the case, and yes, this also is obvs very possible

okay, maybe practical possibility is slightly more rare than just possibility, but in this case it's def practically possible

also like check out pygame-gui

[azure basin]

for simplicity i think i'll just do the 2 buttons 1 on top of the list and 1 on bottom then check if they get pressed and +1 or -1 to the amount of messages that are displayed. shldnt take too many lines to cobble together and defenately in the scope of my newbie powers 😛

i'll defenately try and look more into the real thing tho since it's all about learning how to

[tacit geode]

That's just complicating things

If you work on a big project you will know how much less time is a lot of time 😛

game dev is just stress

ppl competing for AAA graphics and in the end all games are 90% similar 💀

[magic agate]

Hi,

anybody there?

[half copper]

What is the best unity/UE alternative for gamedev with python? Pygame seems to be not that powerful

[brisk yew]

for 3D you can use Panda3D or ursina which is sort of a higher level wrapper for it
for 2D tho, pygame(-ce) has plenty of power (people have even done 3D with it) and technically it has an experimental module that according to this one youtuber's test makes it the fastest lib out there (for 2D anyway) (it's also slowly but surely making it's way out of the experimental status on pygame-ce), otherwise there's like arcade and raylib and pyglet, some of which might be faster than pygame(-ce) when it comes to rendering specifically (for now that that module is considered experimental)

from what I read some while ago here, panda3d can actually beat unity
now, I don't remember if it meant going to C level and using their C api or actually just doing it from Python, but yeah

[half copper]

Then it's probably better to instantly learn panda3d instead of pygame for me?

[brisk yew]

^

[brisk yew]

if you really want to do 3D in Python, then yes, you can go for ursina first, there's not that much to learn but you can still create impressive stuff

but if we talking strictly 3D game development, I'd go for an engine
for example, godot, gdscript is very similar to Python and they even have a Python plugin

[half copper]

what is the dif between ursina and an engine?

engine is more easily to use?

[brisk yew]

it's easier to get a polished game out with an engine, cuz you have like a visual interface, a bunch of prefab systems, some optimizations are in place already

like, you might as well just use unity if your goal is making games

if you just want to use Python, push it to it's limita, you want that kind of challenge in a sense, improve general programming skills, then by all means make a game in Python

[half copper]

I want to use python because I don't like c++ c# tbh 😄

[brisk yew]

ah, well, you could use C...

well, still, there is like godot that uses its own scripting language similar to Python as I mentioned, it's been getting very popular lately

there's Roblox Studio, uses lua for scripting, also a very simple language, and the market is sort of integrated into the whole thing for you to start selling stuff, although Roblox takes a large cut

[half copper]

but how you interact with a game engine with python? Like if the game engine can generate what you want with "nocode tools", what is the goal learning a specific language for a game engine?

[brisk yew]

I personally make games in Python because it's just fun, surely I sometimes may reach into shaders or C extensions for help, but the core logic remains in Python

[half copper]

I never used any game engine that's why im asking

[brisk yew]

well, you can't do everything with no-code tools although there are engines that use visual scripting like blocks and nodes for that and there is little code you need to write, but like, you generally need code for the majority of logic that holds these components together like glue

[brisk yew]

what is your goal?

also before you jump, what is your background in like programming in general?

like, how well do you know Python for instance?

[half copper]

Improving my skills first, then I will see if I can really invest my time in a real project

I 'm generally good to solve a specific problem in python, the only thing i don't understand is all the "network" part

[pine plinth]

Can you pls tell how you are using shaders?
From my quick search i can tell that OpenGL supports shader programming. Does pygame work nicely with opengl?

For some reason pygame.OPENGL flag no longer exist

pygame_shaders looks like a good lib

[brisk yew]

what, since when? it does for me
anyway, I started by following this tutorial by blubberquark (who's also one of the core contributors to pygame(-ce)): https://blubberquark.tumblr.com/post/185013752945/using-moderngl-for-post-processing-shaders-with

[pine plinth]

Surface docs dont mention it

[brisk yew]

it's a display flag

[pine plinth]

Bruh

[brisk yew]

https://pyga.me/docs/ref/display.html#pygame.display.set_mode

[pine plinth]

My bad

Why is everyone doing import pygame instead of import pygame as pg?

[brisk yew]

imagine using aliases
idk, I personally have probably just got used to typing out pygame by now, like, it doesn't take that much effort (ig it's comparatively way bigger on a scale of a large project) and I feel like aliases slightly reduce readability, it's like naming variables really, you want variable names to be pretty explicit

so ig it's personal preference, that makes it to tutorials and becomes everyone's personal preference, lol

[pine plinth]

c is for pain dev

[pine plinth]

Thank you! I'll take a look at moderngl, it looks interesting

[half copper]

@brisk yew Do you use Ursina enough to help me ? I try to draw an isometric tile but I don't really understand how positioning and coord work

[brisk yew]

nope, used it once a while ago but not much, there's an Ursian discord server tho

usrina engine

is the name

[half copper]

yep will try it 😄

[brisk yew]

can't even spell it correctly

ursina engine

[brisk yew]

actually java is the most for game dev

look at Minecraft, for example

[ocean lodge]

So I’m wanting to use Pygame to make a game. But idk how to use it or anything so if anybody can recommend me any YouTube videos that teach me How to code a game using Pygame it would mean a lot

[red quiver]

i learned the basics of pygame

from a book

the actual docs i think

lemme find it

Book:https://readthedocs.org/projects/pygame/downloads/pdf/latest/

u can read the beginning and get the basic

[ocean lodge]

Ok thank you

[brisk yew]

that book has some questionable content, but overall ig it's fine-ish
like what is this

convert doesn't work in-place

also that book uses a deprecated version of pygame and stuff

also using time instead of pygame.time, not using f strings, using exec and eval is pretty bad, also using numpy for stuff that really shouldn't use it and using it just because although the alternatives like lists would be better suited and you wouldn't have a huge dependency

other than that it's pretty ok

[brisk yew]

if you want youtube videos I'd suggest Clear Code and DaFluffyPotato as the go-to channels

[ocean lodge]

Ok I’ll go watch them later once I’m not busy

[marble jewel]

It's official. Isometria now has a steam store page. https://store.steampowered.com/app/2596940/Isometria/ Would love some feedback and or criticism. Thanks everyone, also I'm trying to setup a discord dedicated to Isometria, so stay tuned for that.

Steam

Isometria

In Isometria, you will be dropped into an expansive isometric world filled with wonders. Explore a procedurally generated world with unique biomes, creatures, and craftables. Fight a variety of enemies such as slimes, goblins, fungos, skeletons, and more. Defeat powerful bosses to gain new powers and forge new weapons. Craft armor and weapons to...

Release Date

Coming soon

[marble jewel]

Thanks

this is all python / pygame-ce btw

[brisk yew]

are you asking a question or?

[flat coral]

its a joke mostly

[hexed hound]

how do the camera works in Pygame
is it the display getting bigger or smaller
or the images moving a way

[pine plinth]

Is it possible to create 2 (or more) windows using pygame?

I dont see any hints in docs

Why does pygame use a lot of get_*/set_* methods? Isnt using @property better?

[brisk yew]

yes, there are two ways, one is to use multiprocessing if you want to stick with pygame.display.set_mode, the other option is pygame._sdl2.Window, that module is technically experimental, but Window specifically should become stable when pygame-ce 2.4.0 is released and it should have a get_surface method that will return a surface, because currently you can use that method either by constantly converting surfaces to textures or you could probably also use ctypes to actually call the underlying sdl function to get that surface from the window (not sure that could be converted to a pygame surface tho), here's an answer I gave on the PGCS server (covering both options): #1133140731733749800 message and #1133140731733749800 message

a lot of get/set functions are very old and thus they've been preserved for backwards compat, adding properties on top of that would just introduce quite a lot of clutter, as for newer stuff, properties are used a lot more, one exception might be read-only stuff, but that's still pretty much getting debated, also api consistencies and such

[pine plinth]

Low-level pygame._sdl2 stuff is absolutely new for me, i didn't know that there is so much happening under the hood
Thank you

[west anchor]

so, would online play be feasable in pygame?

[vagrant saddle]

afaik game network stack is irrelevant to pygame, so i'd say "of course"

[marble jewel]

I have implemented multiplayer in my game you can watch a few of the dev logs (not very technical) on my youtube channel starting with this video: https://youtu.be/GZ1hK2Jyx8U

If you have questions I would be happy to answer

[quasi patrol]

very impressive as always

[marble jewel]

Thanks!

[thorn patio]

hi

[unreal river]

hi

[brisk yew]

hi

[minor siren]

hi

[pine plinth]

hi

[spice marsh]

i dont what is the problem here! ne error no nothing but my game "flappy bird" is not coming up well

pls help me

[brisk yew]

can't because you have given us virtually no information

[tacit geode]

A snek game made with snek lib in a snek lang

[dawn quiver]

I wanna do game dev but im really scared of many cons, especially cuz i easily give up on projs. Currently devlogs especially this guy lol https://youtube.com/@PixelArchitect?si=k7b-eW2Nk-Ojg-tb

[distant solstice]

Does anyone want to help me develop a beekeeping simulator? I can't do it alone. So far, I've created something using chatGpt.

[buoyant lark]

You can try blackbox ai to write some of the code

Probably

[brisk yew]

how about not using AI for code gen?

[buoyant lark]

Yeah ok

That's a better option

They usually mess up

[elfin tree]

Where are you?

I am rising to peak of enthusiasm I think

[safe sonnet]

i guess slope of enlightenment

[elfin tree]

ok pretty good

[dawn quiver]

A little further than valley of despair

[unreal river]

lol, wth

If it is just in game dev, then I am in the valley of despair. If this is for the everything in programming, then I am in the plateau of sustainability

[tacit geode]

Crossed plateau of stability

[distant solstice]

Ok, if anyone wants to help me with my project, please contact me.

[brisk yew]

Peak of Enthusiasm is the highest confidence point you'll reach, at Plateau of Sustainability your confidence level is way below that peak

the ironic part being me being confident that I would know

[elfin tree]

did you go back down in confidence then?

[tacit geode]

no im just tired then

i already finished programming

and enjoyed all

now its just work

[elfin tree]

ooooh I hope I don't ever do that but I haven't started working yet so I should be good

[tacit geode]

it should be fine

you will enjoy a lot

[elfin tree]

ok thanks

[tacit geode]

just do go on the hype train

[nimble fern]

if you have the ablility to write it yourself, i suggest not to use AI

[nimble fern]

wow amazing 3d rendering!

[fleet grove]

Ursina Engine can be optimized to make worlds with more than 2000 entities without getting 5 fps?

[tranquil girder]

Yes, you should combine all the static model into one model, or at least as few as possible. Rendering one big model is much faster than rendering many small ones.
GPU instancing could be a possible solution too, if you need many moving objects.

[buoyant lark]

Yes, that's true

[buoyant lark]

Some AI's though, create code that you wouldn't have thought and make the game you are making better

Even though you can create the code simpler

[nimble fern]

very true tho 👍

[elfin tree]

has anyone used github copilot?

[dawn quiver]

just made a block building game with a custom soundtrack if you wanna test it out hmu!

[marble jewel]

Isometria Devlog 28 - Steam Page, Tundra Biome, Visible Armor - https://youtu.be/5ZtF1_BLvrs

[thorn belfry]

Hello everyone, i am new to pygame, i want to get started with it, i want to know what types of game can be made using pygame, any help will be greatly appreciated, thank you!

[olive geode]

any type of game can be made with pygame. It's that generic

[vagrant saddle]

hi, indeed any type have a feel here https://itch.io/c/2563651/pygame-wasm

[tacit geode]

You can make any type of game with pygame

It all depends on your skill level

However if you want to make games with high graphics or wanna make a bigger game consider using an engine

Game dev is hard in itself

Unreal or Godot these would be good

[brisk yew]

also Unity

[lucid rune]

what are you using in there 🤔

anything specific other th an pygame 🤔

than* 🤔

oh

now i remember

ursina

[tranquil girder]

yup

[astral spire]

what are the differences between unity and godot as with the recent unity change im starting to lose faith and looking to other engines

[normal silo]

https://twitter.com/reduzio/status/1703328476424548756

Juan Linietsky (@reduzio)

Here is a thread of threads with posts with design and architectural information to aid in migration to Godot for new users. Please share!
(read below 👇🧵)..

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1095

Retweets

316

Twitter · Sep 17, 2023, 8:42 AM

[astral spire]

thanks 🙂

[wicked sail]

check out s&box

[tacit geode]

its impossible anyways to make a AAA game by yourself

oof

[tacit geode]

Unity hmm a very nice and a trustable company I surely won't regret making my whole career based upon them 🙂

[odd remnant]

hi im a new game programmer (im 17 but after my python essential module my freind asked me to help code a card game) hope i can meet fellow game programmers here

[wicked sail]

inb4 you go bankrupt

[tacit geode]

oof even my custom unreal install is massive

but again i dont play any games so its fine

[plucky summit]

what a graphics!

looks amazing

[light kite]

hello im a new python developer and i have some bug to run my web to run idk how to put in loops so it dont close after opening but i dont know how to do it i hope someone can help me

[quaint chasm]

Sorry idk what you are talking about

You got bugs?

[cyan knoll]

Is it possible to get the current velocity of a sprite in a PyMunk engine in arcade?

[covert lagoon]

If there's not already a property, you can make a kinda hacky solution by going into the pymunk_moved function of the sprite. It should be passed dx and dy. Use trig to find dtotal. The time should just be the inverse of the framerate, but you could also keep a last_pos_time that's a perfcounter. Then do dtotal/dpos_time

I think you can also pass in the deltatime from the on_update of the window into the pymunk step

[ebon elbow]

hello am anew menbre on this server and am not a professional of python and i need to help me to be a good programer.

sorry if i have a not good english

[tacit geode]

!resources

[frank field]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[tacit geode]

you can check these out

there are some great learning resources here

also freecodecamp on youtube has great python tutorials

also just ask if you have some questions

or you can also post in

#❓｜how-to-get-help

try to write more code

the more you write the better

[ebon elbow]

thank you MR.P

[ebon elbow]

tank you i try this now

[cobalt geyser]

did you just read all this or type the examples out as well im also learning python and its hard to find a good website

[cobalt geyser]

yeah

[tacit geode]

learning is hard

don't wanna go back to learn

[prime citrus]

learning is so much fun.. idk what you say

[tacit geode]

i mean unless i change lines idk what to learn

i have already learned a lot of things and it wasen't always fun

[tacit geode]

i use cpp

never had exeprience like that

you don't use 90% of things in cpp

[gilded jetty]

hi guys im new to python and im trying to make a simple game using pygame in pycharm, i know how to move and ex: circle move left and right but how do i make able to also dash left and right a few spaces. plz tag me so i can check back thxs

[olive geode]

Can you give more details?
Ideally, you change its position over time

be it through more physical based equations or something that looks cool

[brisk yew]

why are you implying that physics-based equations don't look cool

[tacit geode]

Ah yes 2 days just to understand physics maths

[gilded jetty]

@olive geode morning guys, okay so I have down the movements to move left and right as well a boundary to stop the circle ⭕️ from moving out of screen and up and down. The keys I have so far are (a) to move left and (d) to move right. I wanna add a (space bar) key link with the keys (a) and (d) so the when you press either with the (space bar) key you will have a jump like movement 5 spaces to the left or right. Like if the ball would be dodging something

@dawn quiver no but I will get get and try to copy and paste here

[gilded jetty]

sorry for the delay i cant send it through github so ill just paste it here

import pygame
# Instantiating the class
pygame.init()

# Create a Window and Dimensions
windowWidth = 800
windowHight = 800
win = pygame.display.set_mode((windowWidth, windowHight))
# Screen Title
pygame.display.set_caption('Chazer')

# Character

x = 390
y = 625
width = 10
#height = 60
vel = 10
rad = 10

isJump = False
jumpCount = 5

# Main loop

run = True

while run:
    pygame.time.delay(50)
    for event in pygame.event.get():
        if event.type == pygame.QUIT:
            run = False
    win.fill(color='cyan')

# Movements

    keys = pygame.key.get_pressed()

    if keys[pygame.K_a] and x - rad > vel:
        x -= vel

    if keys[pygame.K_d] and x < windowWidth - width - vel:
        x += vel
# Making dash left and right, (it only dash to the right but goes back to the same place)
    if not (isJump):
        if keys[pygame.K_SPACE]:
            isJump = True

    else:
        if jumpCount >= -5:
            neg = 1
            if jumpCount < 0:
                neg = -1
            x += (jumpCount ** 2) * 0.5 * neg
            jumpCount -= 1
        else:
            isJump = False
            jumpCount = 5


    pygame.draw.circle(win, (255, 0, 0), (x , y), rad)
    pygame.display.update()

pygame.quit()```

[vagrant saddle]

plz edit and enclose the whole code block with ```

[gilded jetty]

ohhh i didnt know that

thxs

[vagrant saddle]

if you add py right next to the first ``` that will color syntax

[gilded jetty]

okay i just did thats nice to know

[vagrant saddle]

and to run it online with pygame-ce just small changes to code

[sick glen]

help i cant alt tab window tab when in game assassin creed unity ubisoft steam

[dire eagle]

Ey what's up bros

I need help to solve something in PyGame, hope you can understand it

recreating Flappy bird, I am struggled with the collisions on the tubes

because the bird can pass through them

so, it's supposed to get the game over screen such as when I collide over the floor.

[dire eagle]

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/77167168/flappy-bird-doesnt-collide-with-the-tubes-pygame

over here it's the code

[brisk yew]

why are you adding keywords for SEO to your question on discord?

[broken olive]

i have attempted a pygame project.

[broken olive]

💟

[marble jewel]

Isometria Devlog 29 - UI Updates, Passwords, Snow, Network Settings! https://youtu.be/JAumvSLF7Mo

[marble jewel]

Thanks, check out the rest of the devlogs if your interested to see more about the game

[hexed hound]

is tiled too important for pygame?

[brisk yew]

wdym "too important"? no, you don't need to use it, you can like make your own tilemap editor in pygame or use procedural generation or whatever else you can think of

[midnight nebula]

can someone please give me an idea for something to make in python?

[broken olive]

engine?

[broken olive]

alien invador

[brisk yew]

pong

[marble jewel]

Made it myself

All in python and pygame-ce

[broken olive]

wow, impressive 👏

[vague hatch]

question:

why is unity so mean?

[soft furnace]

Greetings.
I am a COMPLETE noob in Python, my level of knowledge is the school basics of it, and a little bit more from my University.

I want to dive into the Reverse-Engineering
More specifically, I want to write some scripts or programs in order to extract some files from unpopular file formats (game-modding)
Where do I want to start? Are there any tutorials or such?

Please, ping me if you want to help.
Thanks a lot in advance! Have a good day! ✌️

[vagrant saddle]

Hi, i suggest you complete python courses of course, and then dive into https://github.com/vstinner/hachoir but read EULA / local law when you want to look into files

[soft furnace]

which courses?

[vagrant saddle]

i don't have good advice on that as i started with py 1.5, imho today you would need something written for > 3.10 in mind, and especially get something on new pattern matching for your particular use case

[soft furnace]

understandable, but i have trouble even in understanding github's structure, tbh

[vagrant saddle]

yeah take it slow, modern tools are - very- powerfull but also drag 10+ years of complexity with them

a good approach could be start by making games

[soft furnace]

but where should i even start?

[soft furnace]

for now i wish to learn reverse-engineering

file formats, hex editing and such

[vagrant saddle]

you can learn that in making games, they cover a lot of computer basics and they give you gratification

[soft furnace]

any tutorials you'd recommend?

[vagrant saddle]

maybe pygame stuff for starters

most likely people around will give you pointers

[soft furnace]

thanks a lot
i shall wait for it then

[sudden prawn]

https://replit.com/@ADFADFS/Kingdom-of-massacre?v=1
I made my first game ^^ pls try it

[vagrant saddle]

@jade swift No, and why would/should I ?

[brisk yew]

for Python stuff I would suggest Harvard's CS50 Python course: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLRL_NcnK-4
Or this one (how I started, I think it's pretty good, some stuff might be a bit outdated, I haven't really seen it in a long time, but it def was good): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfscVS0vtbw

[midnight nebula]

yeah but about what?

huh?

I'm lost

[soft furnace]

thanks a lot guys!

[void forge]

how can i provide text input in the terminal for a rock, paper, scissors game

[arctic wigeon]

what size should my pixel game be, 16, 32, or 64px?

[sudden prawn]

32 px or 64 px, 16 px is way too undetailed

[unreal river]

he said "pixel game"

[pine plinth]

4px is ok, imo

and it depends on resolution a lot

[brisk yew]

https://docs.python.org/3/library/functions.html#input

[sudden prawn]

still gotta contain a bit detail tho

I usually like 32-64 (personal opinion)

[arctic wigeon]

I'm kinds leaning into that too

[hexed hound]

do anyone know what are game engines

[tacit geode]

GTA 6 size leaked

[tacit geode]

programs that make developing games a bit easier

most of the major games are made with Engines

[split frigate]

I have a custom physics engine, level manager, level editor written out to function alongside pygame. Does any one want to collab with me to help me bring it all together? It is called dungeon ducks and I have the full concept mapped out as well and animations in the works

[split frigate]

Ok well if you know anyone who might be interested lmk. The physics and collisions are fo real for real and tight!

[void forge]

thanks

[celest osprey]

pretty good 🙂

[broken olive]

its very cheeky and charming!

[split nest]

hello all, didnt decide to open a help channel because im sure it's quite simple. lets say I have an array for a background using numpy. the sky colour is off, how could I change that in the python code itself?

eg. the array is
0,0,0,0,0,0,0
0,0,0,0,0,0,0
5,5,5,5,5,5,5

how would I change all the 0s to say, 1s?

[vagrant saddle]

ary[ary == 0] = 1

[split nest]

cheers

[sudden prawn]

thank you so much bro

[sudden prawn]

thank u

[broken olive]

np

[broken olive]

wouldnt that only change the first index?

[vagrant saddle]

ary == 0 is an iterable

[broken olive]

so it goes through the entire array?

[vagrant saddle]

yep

[split nest]

It did go through the entire array

Worked pretty well

[broken olive]

maybe its my compiler lol

[vagrant saddle]

could be expanded to ```py
for idx, test in enumerate(ary == 0):
if test: ary[idx]= 1

[broken olive]

nice

[brisk yew]

by expanded he means, that's the Python equivalent for that assignment
numpy would do it slightly differently and a ton faster
you def don't want to actually use for loops when working with numpy because it means you're probably doing sth wrong
just putting it out there so someone doesn't decide to actually use this in code 😄

(yk, it's like one of those "roughly equivalent" examples you can see in itertools docs, for example)

[celest osprey]

np!

[finite hearth]

i have no particular question but im looking for an individual that has personal experience running python apps/games on steam and id like to talk to them about their thoughts concerning the tools/resources available for such.. so if theres a someone here like that send a dm or call any time 🙏

[midnight nebula]

if I make a game

should I make it in python

?

[dire eagle]

hey you guys, I've developed a game with pygame and now I want to convert it into apk

but I was watching that they only require kivy

should I set "import kivy" at the top of the code? and is it all?

[proper peak]

you're mostly out of luck, I believe. there's some modifications of pygame to allow it to work on android, but they're abandoned and I have no idea if they work: https://github.com/startgridsrc/pgs4a

kivy used to have some sort of pygame support but I think it was abandoned too.

[brisk yew]

your best bet would be to ask here https://discord.com/channels/772505616680878080/889466401004339210

in the pygame-android channel, there are like 3 people tho that actually know how to do that kind of thing so you'll have to be patient

also pygbag can be used to sort of port games to mobile since it makes it possible to play them in the browser

people as of even pretty recently have managed to get their pygames on android, so, def possible, not sure you even need kivy (or pygbag)

[brisk yew]

depends

on why and what kind of a game you want to make

[abstract halo]

I want to convert a quarternion to Euler angle,

I searched through internet and found methods, but there are some problems with it.

Which is the best way to convert between these?

[proper peak]

I generally look up formulas on wikipedia for stuff like that, e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_between_quaternions_and_Euler_angles#Quaternion_to_Euler_angles_(in_3-2-1_sequence)_conversion.

(unless I'm using some uncommon representation in which case I'm out of luck and have to derive it)

[abstract halo]

I am trying to find a understandable derivation, but it's so hard to find them

[proper peak]

oh, and actually https://docs.scipy.org/doc/scipy/reference/generated/scipy.spatial.transform.Rotation.html can do the conversion, too.

[abstract halo]

Ooh that's awesome

Arc Cosine had my head break, as it can't provide me with negative angles 😬

As, cosine provides the same result regardless of the input's sign

[brittle cloud]

is pygame popular?

[pine plinth]

yes?

[keen elm]

How do I delete the skill animation in Metin2 from Python?

[little apex]

Who here knows how resizeable games are made in pygame. Is there any built in function that will save the hassle of manually coding the game to fight in a resizeable window?

[elfin tree]

does anyone else lose all of their imposter sydrome when using power shell or cmd?

[vagrant saddle]

i guess you want pygame.SCALED from https://pyga.me/docs/ref/display.html

[slate crane]

Hey, does anyone know a module like imgui that works with pygame and moderngl? Imgui is giving me weird bugs

[elder needle]

Hi I have a game made in unreal engine, and I have a repo that I need to adapt to my game instead of Minecraft, would anyone be willing to help me out with this? I'm willing to pay if it becomes something that takes great effort

I have some already done but there's parts I am just too ignorant to this process to understand it all

[brisk yew]

ask on Fiverr mby

[elder needle]

Yeah I put out a request

[slate crane]

I'm trying that, but the imgui cloned integration is hard 💀

[slate crane]

I know

Hmph

I don't know, is the actual SHELL for the gui needs to be implemented by me?

[vagrant saddle]

what shell ? what do you mean it can even run in a webpage

[slate crane]

I meant, like the interface itself

[vagrant saddle]

also if you want 3D and no bugs just use Panda3D it provides a GUI toolkit too

[slate crane]

Not the window

[slate crane]

Life is gifted for torture 😄 why waste it? Back in my days, we used to write binary codes, people nowadays use high level languages 😠 Grandpa talk

[vagrant saddle]

i fear Panda3D is older than grandpa

i was using it 20 years ago 😄

[slate crane]

I fear Panda3D in python is nearly dead 💀

[slate crane]

I wasn't there 20 years ago 💀

How interesting is that

[vagrant saddle]

i don't see why it would be dead, and you can use c++ if you want, maybe Nim too

[slate crane]

Ok

[vagrant saddle]

it is also super cool for game jams because it can run on web https://pmp-p.ddns.net/pygbag/pyweek-36/dmss/build/web/

( so does pygame-ce )

[slate crane]

Question being, what is cppyp???

[slate crane]

I know dat 😄

[little apex]

yes but more of a function that would scale everything and adjust they're positions. It appears that's not really a thing.

[vagrant saddle]

but it scales everything and position eg https://pygame-web.github.io/showroom/pygame-scripts/org.pygame.touchpong.html (android too look at page source) i'm not sure what you seek exactly

[young gate]

and i released https://github.com/Two119/Dialogue

it's a simple dialogue class with text crawl for pygame (only works with pygame-ce)

[cold storm]

Upbge is rocking now

Check upbge.org

It is a fork of blender with bge restored, and upgraded to use a bpy object instead of kx_meshProxy, so geometry nodes, bpy, addons etc work in game, openXr, vulkan inbound.

Uses python for scripts and also has a python component system, and logic nodes(that write py)

[cold storm]

Everything that works in the viewport works in the game engine

If you need help there is the upbge discord, I have 100s of tutorials on my channel, but I have 1000s of videos....

So they are burried a bit under the devlog videos

[cold storm]

We can use bpy depsgraph to grab evaluated data

Using py + geonodes = c++ controlled by py.

(also all the tutorials for bge work for upbge, except the material stuff/shaders/geometry node stuff, just take blender tutorials for that stuff.)

Upbge is assembled 95% out of blender guts.

[cold storm]

this is geometry nodes - I am moving a empty along a curve using py

import bge,bpy


def main():

    cont = bge.logic.getCurrentController()
    own = cont.owner
    deps =  bpy.context.evaluated_depsgraph_get()
    
    road_mesh = own.scene.objects['Road_Mesh']
    eval_mesh = road_mesh.blenderObject.evaluated_get(deps)
    
    
    if 'init' not in own:
        own['init']=True
        own['index']=2056
        own['length'] = len(eval_mesh.data.vertices)
        print(own['length'])
        v_list = []
        for vert in eval_mesh.data.vertices:
            v_list.append(road_mesh.worldTransform @ vert.co)
        own['v_list']=v_list    
        own['rate']=0
    
    current= own['v_list'][own['index']-1]
    
    next = own['v_list'][own['index']]
    
    v2 = (current-next).normalized()    
    own.alignAxisToVect(v2,0,.05)
   
    own.worldPosition = current.lerp(next,own['rate'])
    own['rate']+=.1
    if own['rate']>1:
        own['rate']=own['rate']-1
        own['index']+=1
        if own['index']>own['length']-1:
            own['index']=1
    
    if own.getDistanceTo(own.scene.objects['Loading_Core'])>25:
        own.scene.objects['Loading_Core'].worldPosition = own.worldPosition
        print('set')
        
main()

this is ran in the 'camera core' the camera parents to

[thorn patio]

hi

[dawn spear]

Can tell me what’s this

[calm stratus]

what is this ?

[cold storm]

Upbge engine

And it exports to windows, linux, mac and soon macMetal and vulkan.

[sour nexus]

I would appreciate some help, I just posted a pygame problem in the python-help channel

[blissful cliff]

If someone plays Minecraft & want to join bedrock server dm me

[midnight nebula]

a grand strategy

[brisk yew]

okay and why?

cuz strat games are surely doable in Python

[midnight nebula]

cuz I want to make a ww1 game

[brisk yew]

so just for fun

would it be like a board game?

[midnight nebula]

grand strategy is when you play as a nation

[buoyant hare]

python should be feasible for simple grand strategy games, you could always throw in cython to the stack if you encounter computational bottlenecks, but this could lead to more complexity, if you know another language that is better suited for game development then use that instead

[midnight nebula]

I do know one

but its very shitty for this type of game

[buoyant hare]

then stick to python until you actually run into a problem with it, and look into how you can solve it once you're there

[midnight nebula]

ok

[cold storm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErZA2Jo2B2c&t=7s

[grand apex]

Anybody got any ideas for a small 2D topdown/sidescrolling game project i could make in a day using pygame?

[pine plinth]

some kind of racing game

[marble jewel]

Isometria Devlog 30 - New Boss, Python 3.12, Multiplayer Test Run! - Made with Pygame and Python https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHQoxRvTxic

[brisk yew]

pong

[grand apex]

How are those pseudo 3D racing games made?

[little apex]

Hey, anyone know how to sort sprites in a group? I want to sort it by y position so things at the top of the screen get drawn before things at the bottom.

[marble jewel]

for sprite in sorted(group.sprites(), key = lambda sprite: sprite.y):
sprite.draw()

[broken olive]

ui tease

(my mouse is hovering over the play square btw)

[quasi patrol]

Does pygame already support 3.12

[dry cloak]

must do

unless they use pygame-ce in which case i dont know

[brisk yew]

they use pygame-ce

[tough torrent]

I am asking cuz I can't find any other gui-related channel
But is there a way to draw a red box using screen space over another app
And if so how would I do that

[vagrant saddle]

that's a very operating system (which you did not mention) specific question, and anyway no app should ever be allowed to draw/read over another without special rights. It can also get you banned from some games, some anti cheat systems are very picky about programs doing that

[tough torrent]

True
And i assume there is no xplat way to define a 100% transparent window and then display it over another
And yeah drawing straight to the screen may make roblox (yep that game) angry
I got bored and automated a fishing game. I want to be able to visualize the "scanned area"
Although I guess I could instead make a hotkey that takes a screenshot of the window and then draws a box on it and then opens it in image viewer

[tough torrent]

Yep that works

Even added a hotkey to change search area

[lost kindle]

You can learn modern openGL to make your own game

[brisk yew]

it's possible

[vagrant saddle]

Panda3D can provide samples of a car with bullet physics applied

[forest oasis]

how to display vids
in pygame??

[brisk yew]

probably through opencv

[forest oasis]

i got it

moviepy came in clucht

[long fox]

do you guys feel python is the best for game development?

[dawn quiver]

Absolutely not.

Use C# or C++

[ionic moat]

i will use c++ And Java Script

[long fox]

i agree

[dawn quiver]

Sorry, but how do you intend to use JavaScript to make a game outside of a website, let alone one that has good performance? JS is an interpreted scripting language, and interpreted languages are 100% of the time slower than compiled languages when written correctly

[tranquil girder]

yes
one of the best at least

the dynamicness can be really powerful sometimes

[lunar venture]

As an example for an interpreted scripting language in this field: Did you know Lua is used to program game logic in game engines like Core?

slower than compiled languages when written correctly
If you write all the important things correctly in any language, the performance should be negligeable because programming languages run fast. They said they'll use JavaScript with C++, so they can write game logic with JavaScript and performance critical things with C++. If you want to run JavaScript in environments other than a web browser, runtimes like Node.js exist, and JavaScript can be compiled into .exes that use the .NET runtime by the way

Not sponsored, but I think it says something when they advertise Core with

Core makes it possible by giving beginners and pros alike the power of Unreal in an accessible interface.

[finite mantle]

wow amazing its pygame ?

[knotty granite]

Guys

I am new to pygame

Can get any help

[vagrant saddle]

but are you new to python ?

[knotty granite]

Nope

I know very basic python

And a few libraries

While loops, if-else loops and for loop

[knotty granite]

Can you help me with a video i am watching on youtube

I am learning pygame from a youtube channel called clear code and i cant u understand how does the rectangles work

[vagrant saddle]

not sure i'm the old kind that use books

[knotty granite]

Basically this stuff

[knotty granite]

I have official pygame guide

But it offers no solutions

Imma send my code

[vagrant saddle]

put is on a github gist so it gets runnable

[knotty granite]

How do i do that?

[vagrant saddle]

https://gist.github.com/

name it something.py and go put your code there

[knotty granite]

ok

i have to make an account right?

[vagrant saddle]

well it's usefull if you want to use opensource libraries

python and pygame/ pygame-ce are all on github

[knotty granite]

i am currently using vscode

[vagrant saddle]

github as support for that

[knotty granite]

ohh

now how do i share my code with you?

i created the acc

[vagrant saddle]

just put the link there

[knotty granite]

ohh

like the path from vs code?

[vagrant saddle]

unsure, gist link looks like that https://gist.github.com/pmp-p/6fdcbbc1fdb0a1ef26980fdab7c99c51.

if gist is too complicated use that https://paste.pythondiscord.com/

[knotty granite]

https://gist.github.com/ISUCKATCODING2005/f41349930d5aaa6abb5e56941177c8fc

here is my gist

posted here

@vagrant saddle

https://paste.pythondiscord.com/IYAQ

@vagrant saddle sry for the ping. But can you help me 🥲

[olive grotto]

what is unclear again @knotty granite ?

[knotty granite]

Hello

This concept

How does this system work?

[olive grotto]

do you know what x,y means ?

[knotty granite]

Like i know i have drew an imaginary rectangle around my charcter

[knotty granite]

Yeah

[olive grotto]

explain it to me please

[knotty granite]

Its the coordinates on the screen

(15,220 )px

From where the rectangle originates

[olive grotto]

yes, i thinks thats fair.

x,y is a point on the screen

[knotty granite]

Yeah

But what is midleft

And mid right

[olive grotto]

hold on

where do we start on the screen?

[lethal void]

Hi

[knotty granite]

If i do midright its moving to left and if i do midleft its moving to mid right? 💀

[olive grotto]

what point is 0,0 ?

[knotty granite]

0,0

[knotty granite]

Origin

Top left

[olive grotto]

yes, its top left

could it be someplace else?

[knotty granite]

No ig 😅

It can be for the rectangle

Tho

From what i learnt from a video

[olive grotto]

what if we just decided to let top right be the starting point

[knotty granite]

Ohhhhhhh

[olive grotto]

wouldnt that just work?

[knotty granite]

I get it

[knotty granite]

Yeahh

But why are we drawing a rectangle around the player character

If we are starting from right side

?

Or the left

[olive grotto]

hold on

[knotty granite]

Is this it?

[olive grotto]

so top left is a good place to start, its very natural for us

[knotty granite]

Yes

[olive grotto]

if we want to draw a square on the screen, what type of information do we need to know?

[knotty granite]

Sides

x,y

And position

[olive grotto]

lets say we start from top left at 0,0

and the width is 10

and the height is 10

[knotty granite]

Yeah

[olive grotto]

where is the bottome right corner?

[knotty granite]

Like this?

[olive grotto]

yeah, its at 10,10

[knotty granite]

Yeah

[olive grotto]

what if we move the square, so the top left corner is at 5,5

then the right buttom corner is now at 15, 15

[knotty granite]

Topleft= 5,5

[olive grotto]

right?

[knotty granite]

Now this is the new origin?

[olive grotto]

yes

[knotty granite]

Ohhhh

So basically get.rect will draw a rectangle around my object

And move it accordingly

I can change the origin

[olive grotto]

so bottom right is at x1+10, y1+10

[knotty granite]

I donnot have to follow the actual screen origin if i use a rectangle

I can just make my own

Like topleft=5,5

[knotty granite]

Yeah

[olive grotto]

abosolute postiion is always the screen

relative possition is based on the thing your drawing right now

[knotty granite]

Ohh 😮

[olive grotto]

or x1 + rect_width, y1 + rect_height

[knotty granite]

I am finally crystal clear now

So i can change the relative origin point as i like

[olive grotto]

what possition do you get if you do x1 + (rect_width // 2), y1 + (rect_height // 2)

[knotty granite]

But absolute origin remains the same

0,0

[knotty granite]

I think i can do this but what is //

[olive grotto]

divide by two

[knotty granite]

Oh wait I remember

Yeah

Lemme see

15//2

That would be 7.5

?

I was drawing it all on paper

😅

[olive grotto]

the value does not matter much, what is this place called?

[knotty granite]

So i get better understanding

[knotty granite]

Mid

[olive grotto]

middle of what?

[knotty granite]

Square

[olive grotto]

yes, this is called the center

[knotty granite]

💀🙏🏻 Are you god?

Bro i have been struggling so much with this concept

And now I finally get it

Damn

[olive grotto]

if you only devide one of , like only the width, you get the width center point of the square

[knotty granite]

Yeah

Its all connecting now

Thats how my charcter was moving

[olive grotto]

and by swithing around these combinations you can get

4 corners

four mid points of the sides

[knotty granite]

Yeah

[olive grotto]

center of the square

[knotty granite]

Yeah

[olive grotto]

this is an important concept to understand

[knotty granite]

Yeah

I difficult one too

I was flabbergasted when i first saw it

[olive grotto]

everyting in game dev is hard

[knotty granite]

I am doing the easiest thing rn which is pygame and i dunno how am i gonna do it when I actually get experienced enough to start on an actual game engine 💀

[olive grotto]

you can do alot with pygame

[knotty granite]

Yeah

But 2d only ?

Right?

[olive grotto]

pygame is 2d yeah

there are no good tools to make 3d with python

this is pygame

[knotty granite]

Yupps

[knotty granite]

Did u make it?

Omg

That looks amazing

I wonder when i will be able to do that

[olive grotto]

no, not me, im not a game dev

[knotty granite]

Prolly an year

Or 2 or 3 or 4 💀

[knotty granite]

Ohh

But that looks so cool

[olive grotto]

if you practise every day you should get there in around two years i think

[knotty granite]

Impressive work whoever has done that

[knotty granite]

Yeah

I will be finishing school in 2024 March

So i will be giving all my time to this while i got to uni

[olive grotto]

sounds like a great plan

[knotty granite]

My family doesn’t want me to become game dev cauze they think AI is gonna take over soon

They want to make me an accountant

[olive grotto]

AI will take over accounting before they take over developers 😄

[knotty granite]

Fr true dat

I told them that there are alr softwares that can do that

I will never leave coding tho

[olive grotto]

it is my experience that people dont understand tech, that will not change

[knotty granite]

Yeah

Someone in my family has studied so many things(in tech field)and still cant find a good job

So they think i am gonna end up like them

If i pursue programming

[olive grotto]

if you work hard and are competent, you will find a job

if you are not both, you will struggle

[knotty granite]

Yeah

[olive grotto]

you get competent by working hard

so the key skill is working hard

[knotty granite]

He has changed fields so many times

Like first he was an accountant

Then became a hotel manager

Then a programmer

Now an engineer

And he still cant find work

So they think its not a good field

Well i have a school exhibition on 15 november and i am making this game for that

So that i can prove my worth to them

[olive grotto]

there is an increasing need for competent devlopers, the more people get into the field the more it is needed. makes it harder for someone new to find a job, but here comes my point about working hard again

[knotty granite]

And i want to make it look really good lol

[knotty granite]

Yeah

[olive grotto]

5 weeks?

[knotty granite]

Yeah

[olive grotto]

thats an exceptional short time

[knotty granite]

Yupps

[olive grotto]

you need to really work hard

[knotty granite]

Ik basic python and a few libs like pandas and numpy

So my work is cut short a lil

This new lib is tough one tho

[olive grotto]

well.. you should get back to work for sure.

[knotty granite]

Yeah

Haha thanks for the help

[brisk yew]

ursina and panda3d are pretty good ones

former is pretty much a wrapper for the latter, but yeah

[dawn quiver]

I just learned data dictionaries lolz, you’re not the newbiest here

[slate crane]

Hey, does anyone know why there is no syntax highlight in pyimgui? For example:

imgui.create_context()

Is it because pyimgui is written in cython?

[knotty granite]

Anyone here?

I want to ask smthg

@olive grotto

Hello fren

Can these two be used together to make a controller

And use it for the pygame

[vagrant saddle]

yes

but it won't be detected as a gamepad, you will have to read the values on usb serial port

[knotty granite]

How can i do that?

And will it require me to learn arduino

?

Or i can just connect it to the module

Connect to my computer

And then use pygame.Controller

?

@vagrant saddle

[vagrant saddle]

you cannot use pygame.Controller "out of the box", you must learn arduino and pyserial

arduino -> pyserial -> inject pygame.Controller events in pygame event queue

[knotty granite]

Ohh

So i have to learn pyserial and arduino

How long does that take?

[slate crane]

Well I'm using VS Code, so how can I fix it?

[knotty granite]

Yeah

@grim current

I am here

So i am building a smol game for my school exhibition

In which i have to make smthg with arduino module and a working code

So i am combining both projects

Instead of making to different projects for exhibition

I am combining them both

For arduino i am making a game controller for my game

And for the code part. I am coding a game in python using pygame lib

I intend to use these two components

[grim current]

okay , so what exactly it is that you want help with ??

[knotty granite]

Like how do I integrate this

With my game code

Ik there is a controller module in pygame

But i cant just use it directly

[grim current]

well , you can configure your arduino to appear as a USB game controller
and then in pygame, you can use game controller for movement

[knotty granite]

Ohh

How can i do that?

And do i have to learn arduino

For it?

[grim current]

i dont think you need to learn C++ , bcoz this is a really common project and there most likely exists some premade code for this

[valid seal]

Yeah, sounds like you could just have it done pretty easily over USB as a HID device

[grim current]

you can google something like arduino USB game controller

[valid seal]

Which there would almost certainly be some existing libraries for

[knotty granite]

Ohh

And then i can program different buttons the way i want

Right?

[valid seal]

You can manage that in the Python code

[grim current]

yeah

just make sure that you are buying the correct arduino (not all arduinos are USB HID compatible)

i think for your shield, it should work with arduino Leonardo

[knotty granite]

Btw the controller module can be directly attached to the pins of arduino

Its like an extension

[valid seal]

Yeah it's just a lil hat for an uno or something

[knotty granite]

Yess

So i just need a usb

And some pre made code

And i am good

[valid seal]

Yo wait why are those pin headers on the top 👀

[grim current]

i dont think UNO has usb HID , you probably need arduino leonardo board

[knotty granite]

I dunno lol

But it can be attached

I saw in a tutorial

The guy just latched it on arduino uno

[valid seal]

You'll want the pin headers on the bottom

Not the top

In order to do that

[grim current]

those pins probably expose unused pins of arduino

[knotty granite]

https://youtu.be/Qo-uqQNFL2E?si=OLoEEJgEvpyzA9jt

Here is the link

[grim current]

or maybe external interface for the buttons

[valid seal]

Oh yeah true lol

My brain turned off

[knotty granite]

I dunno what that is. But sound like its a deal 🤠👍🏻

I can make it happen

Yayy!!

So should i order these components?

I am using the same ones in the above video

[grim current]

well , a USB HID gamepad will appear as a USB device on your system

for that to happen with arduino , the arduino board needs to be capable of appearing as USB HID device to your system (not all arduinos can do that)

you can program all arduinos using USB connection , but the communication is just simple serial connection which is different from USB HID communication.

arduino leonardo does have the ability to make itself appear as a USB device to your computer (which you should buy after checking the pin compatibility)

but arduino UNO R3 does not have the capability to do that

[knotty granite]

Ohh

I am using an arduino knock off

💀

Cauze i am poor ofc

This thing

[grim current]

notice how it says UNO on it

so it is an arduino board of UNO model

this cannot appear as a USB device which you want

you should buy arduino board which is leonardo model

[knotty granite]

Oh

Is there any way i can make this one appear as a usb device?

[grim current]

nope

[knotty granite]

Ohh

Good enough?

[grim current]

yep , that looks correct

[knotty granite]

Ok imma order it

This is cheap tho

I can afford it

😮‍💨

I was like it would expensive

Lol

There is one which is like 5K

[grim current]

you shouldnt use amazon to buy this kinda stuff , they blow the price up unrealstically

[knotty granite]

Yeah

I want to find this module

But i dunno where to look it locally

[grim current]

same board, reasonable price

[knotty granite]

But is it cash on delivery

Lemme see

[grim current]

i think so

(you dont need to worry about it, its a good site , they wont scam ya) ||just my opinion , you are free to do what u like ||

[knotty granite]

Ahh i checked

Its not lol

[knotty granite]

Even if its cheap and no scam my dad wont lemme use his card for this lol

He will still think its scam

Lmao

[grim current]

i think u can choose COD for a little extra money when checking out , not too sure tho

[knotty granite]

Oh its cod

Found it

Thankssss

Imma order

W Robu

L amazon

Lol